1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 3: Here we go. It is a Wednesday. It is great 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: to be here, and we are live in Chicago. It's 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: the Herd wherever you may be and however you may 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: be listening a lot of choices. 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for making us your place to stop buy, at 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: least temporarily, we hope longer. 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 3: So J Mack. 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this driving in today, not driving, 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: but taking a train in. 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 3: I was thinking about this. 18 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: It's easy when you're outside of a building to say 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: be patient. 20 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: Like it's very easy to say. 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: If you're the Ohio State Buck guys and Ryan Daego's 22 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: on a two game losing street, be patient unless you're 23 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: in the building in Columbus. You can be patient at 24 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: Miami of Ohio. 25 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: You can't be patient at Ohio State. 26 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 4: Right. 27 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: You have their different strains and different pressures, and I 28 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: want to. 29 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 3: Talk about that with JJ McCarthy. 30 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts wins a World Series, literally has a bad 31 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: first half, fans won him out, and owners listen to fans, 32 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: and so do GMS. So I hear this about JJ McCarthy, 33 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: the Vikings young quarterback who in seven of eight quarters 34 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: has been awful, and I'm hearing this, Hey, you've got 35 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: to be patient. Not really, I hear that about CEOs. 36 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: Be patient, see the vision, long term growth. They have 37 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: quarterly earnings calls with investors and shareholders. Yeah, speed her up, Champ, 38 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: or we'll find the new CEO. This Vikings team number 39 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: one could lose their great defensive coordinator by the end 40 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: of the season. Brian Flores do a head coaching job. 41 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: Number two. They're amazing. Left tackle Christian Darrissel is twenty six, 42 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: but he's already had one major surgery and several other injuries. 43 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: Left tackles are hard to find, especially as good as him, 44 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: and the roster's too good. So it's going to get 45 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: really expensive within the next year to two years. I mean, 46 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: this team in the last couple of years has won 47 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: thirteen and fourteen games two out of the last three years. 48 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: I know Patience is a virtue. I understand that, but 49 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: you ever going to an NFL practice, they don't have 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: virtue drills ready set virtue and Green Bay, your primary 51 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: rival is great right now, and because of the youngest roster, 52 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: they're only getting better. So let's be patient for three 53 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: years and go oh and six against your rival. I 54 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: don't buy it, this whole thing about people that preach patients. 55 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: Patience is for parenting or training, potty training a puppy, 56 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: or gardening. But the packers can be patient. They don't 57 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: have an owner the Viking and owners listen. They listen 58 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: to people on the street and talk radio, and they 59 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: read columns, and they're gms under pressure. This isn't baseball 60 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: where if you're at a hitting slump, I will just 61 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: send you down to the minors. This isn't the NBA 62 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: where yes, he's struggling, but he's only nineteen years old. 63 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: I mean he's only a year out of high school. 64 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy's last five years of coaching, Jim Harbaugh for 65 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: three years and Kevin O'Connell now for two. That is 66 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: world class coaching. Be good Sunday, Okay, Like it's different too. 67 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: Jared Goff. When he got to Detroit, he'd been to 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl with the Rams and he was a 69 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: number one pick and he was very good. Okay, I'm 70 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: gonna wait a couple of years for Jared Goff because 71 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: he's proven he's good. And if you sold your first 72 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: startup for a billion dollars, I'm gonna give you some 73 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: time with your second startup. But like Bryce Young at Carolina, 74 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: it's three years, you're not winning games. I gotta move 75 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: on and quarterbacks in twenty two five, like JJ McCarthy, 76 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: have private coaching, seven on seven summer camps. I mean 77 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: it's just they have more information at their fingertips. I 78 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: mean they should be better. They have far more snaps 79 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: early than they ever did. So again, I will be 80 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: patient potty training a puppy, but JJ McCarthy does not 81 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: get to pee on the carpet. He's got to be 82 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: good in the next seven eight weeks. I gotta see something. 83 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: And if you look at seven of his eight quarters, 84 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: they've been terrible. And again, he was with Harball for years. 85 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: Kevin o'conn there's an argument no coach in the history 86 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: of football is better than Jim Harball. 87 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 3: And I mean that, and. 88 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: I'll talk about that in a second. And then Kevin O'Connell, 89 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: he's called the tall Sean McVay. Five years of that coaching. 90 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: I'm not waiting. I'm not waiting any longer. So I 91 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: just don't I don't buy it. I think gardening and parenting. 92 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: But all these teams are owned by billionaires, and they 93 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: listen to fans and GMS are on the clock. You 94 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: want you want me to be? I mean Caleb Williams 95 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: has Ben Johnson and Lincoln Riley the last four years. 96 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: I got to see something fast. Speaking of Jim Harbaugh, 97 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. So in basketball, they have 98 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: the Basketball Hall of Fame. You could be a Harlem 99 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: globetrotter and make a basketball Hall of Fame. Football is different. 100 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: There's the Pro football Hall of Fame and then there's 101 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,119 Speaker 1: the college football Hall of Fame. But I was thinking 102 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: this morning that if you combined it like basketball and 103 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: it was just there was a football Hall of Fame, 104 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: you could count college and pro. I would make an 105 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: argument today the greatest coach in the history of football 106 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: is not Bill Belichick or Bill Walsh or Vince Lombardi. 107 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: It's Jim Harball the greatest coach ever. Think about this. 108 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: He's never failed. He's five for five at San Diego, Stanford, 109 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: San Francisco, forty nine Ers, Michigan and the Chargers. He's 110 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: never failed, saving an urban unbelievable college legends, struggled in 111 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: the NFL. He's also not tied to a single player. 112 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: What's Belichick without Brady? Not great? The only person that 113 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: kind of compares to him is Jimmy Johnson, my friend 114 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: and your friend. 115 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: Jimmy Johnson. 116 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: Great in college, great in the pros. But even Jimmy 117 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: took over a Hurricanes program that had won a Natty 118 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: and they. 119 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: Won after he left. 120 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: And then he took over the Dolphins, and the previous 121 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: two years they were like ten and six and nine 122 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: and seven before he got there, and then he left, 123 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: and then Dave launched that took over, and Dave got 124 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: him to the playoffs with Harball. He's taken over five messes. 125 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: They're all very good by year two, some by year one. 126 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: And when he leaves, the Niners were unwatchable for four years. 127 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: After he left. He went from Super Bowl too. Is 128 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: this the worst team in the league? I mean, it's 129 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: unbelievad he left Stanford a couple of years with Davis Shaw. 130 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: Now Stanford not good, not close for several years. So 131 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it. I mean, it's 132 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: like hardball takes stuff and one one day it's bar 133 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: Rescue and the next day it's Michelin Star. And it's 134 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: amazing to watch Justin Herbert. We all knew Justin Herbert 135 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: was good. It wasn't a matter of that. But if 136 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: you look at Justin Herbert's last three seasons with Brandon Staley, 137 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: he'd become an average quarterback ninety three passer rating. If 138 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: you look at the last two seasons twenty games, nineteen 139 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: games with Jim Harbaugh, he's in a running for the 140 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: best quarterback in the league. And now Jim was a quarterback, 141 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: so he's very good at that. But the defense was last. 142 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: It's now first college and pro. Now it's harder in college. 143 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: Stanford and Michigan took some years, although they got very 144 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: good very quickly. But like at Stanford, it's hard to 145 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: get players in and they were the worst program in 146 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: college football when he took it over very quickly. He 147 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: went to USC and Pete Carroll is a forty one 148 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: point underdog and won in the Coliseum without many players. 149 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll even recruited, and I really think it's very rare. 150 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: He takes over messes, they're good immediately, and when he leaves, 151 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: they're awful. And my question is why, I mean, as 152 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: great as Jimmy Johnson is. He left the Cowboys, they 153 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl. He left the Hurricanes they wanted Nanny. 154 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: He left the Dolphins, they made the playoffs. And the 155 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: only thing I could wrap my brain around is that 156 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: when Jimmy Johnson left, you lost a great coach. When 157 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh leaves, you lose the soul of the franchise. 158 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: He is so authentic, such a unicorn, such a unique personality. 159 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: Eric Mangini years ago was in the offices of the 160 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers, and he's been around Belichick 161 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: and great coaches, and I asked him about Harbaugh and 162 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: he said, yeah, I've never been around a coach like 163 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh. And he's been around a lot of great coaches. 164 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: He goes there's nobody like hardball. It's not about the meetings, 165 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: it's the personality, the relentlessness, the obsession with football. 166 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: He is obsessed with football. 167 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: He leaves an organization, you don't lose a good coach, 168 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: you lose your personality. And I had Julian Edelman yesterday, 169 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: I said, how do you change a culture everywhere you 170 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: go that quickly? 171 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 5: You can get fundamentals down, not turn the ball over, 172 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 5: not beat yourself with pre snap penalties. That's how you 173 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 5: change a culture right away, not with all the talking, 174 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 5: not with this. It's with the actions that they they're 175 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 5: showing that they're doing so they've looked very good. And 176 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 5: I think when a coach comes in and establishes that 177 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 5: if he wants to be a tough football team, tough 178 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 5: football teams don't beat themselves. 179 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: And Herbert's interceptions, Herbert's turnovers under Staley go up under Harball, 180 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 1: they mostly disappear. So I mean, I think if you 181 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: counted all coaches, usually there's always been this sense that 182 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: a college football coach has a certain personality. You know, 183 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: he's kind of glibbed, he's got to talk to the donors, 184 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: he's got to be a great recruiter. But the NFL guys, 185 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: they're kind of academic, they're miserable. They look all a 186 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: little overweight and a little tired under the thirteenth cup 187 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: of coffee. And there's something that Harbad does that. And 188 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: what's most remarkable. Michigan was a mess, Stanford was a mess. 189 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: The Niners were a mess. He makes them great. He 190 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: leaves there is a noticeable drop off overnight, noticeable, and 191 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: I think, again, he's not a coach, he is a 192 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: soul of a program. And you're just I mean, it's 193 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: like when Steve Jobs left Apple. You didn't just lose 194 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: a smart guy. He was the soul of Apple. Phil 195 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: Knight briefly stepped away from Nike years and years, a 196 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: couple decades ago. Like overnight, stock plummeted, fills the vision, 197 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: fills the soul. 198 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: Of Nike. So here we are. You know what else? 199 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: I made sure I wanted to talk one more day 200 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: Jay Mack about a guy. 201 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 6: Now. 202 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: Now he's a little bit of a gunslinger, he's a 203 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: little old school. But Baker Mayfield, Oh yeah, there's a 204 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: stat And I think this speaks well of Baker Mayfield. 205 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: The two quarterbacks in the league that have had the 206 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: most interception worthy throws are Bonnicks and Baker Mayfield. And 207 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: I was thinking as I was writing this morning, I 208 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: was writing notes for the Harbaugh thing rant, and I thought, 209 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: you know what makes Baker great is that in Cleveland 210 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: his personality was seen as flammable. He's kind of the 211 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,239 Speaker 1: same guy in Tampa. But it's not a flammable franchise. 212 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: But the fact that he leads the NFL right now 213 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: in interception worthy throws, it speaks to who he is. 214 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: He is a gun slinger. He is a lot of 215 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 3: farv and. 216 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: I think that's incredibly appealing to a lot of football fans. 217 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 6: Totally agree. 218 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 7: And he actually ties into your earlier point about JJ 219 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 7: McCarthy because just imagine if the Cleveland Browns has had 220 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 7: had some patience with Baker Mayfield, they wouldn't be cycling 221 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 7: through a litany of quarterbacks every year looking for a guy. 222 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 7: I think that's a great point. Baker has that gunslinger. 223 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 7: It didn't work in Cleveland, but it necessarily wasn't Baker's fault, 224 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 7: right because Baker is an excellent quarterback right now. Me 225 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 7: he was one of the leaders in yards and touchdowns 226 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 7: last year. 227 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: I also think Tampa is a different feel. I think 228 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: Baker's matured. I think I think the Browns are just 229 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: a flammable organization. Stefanski's brought the temperature down considerably. But 230 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: even with Stefanski, they guaranteed Deshan Watson a contract, they 231 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: drafted to her Sanders and nobody thinks Stefansky Andrew Berry 232 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: wanted him. So that's just who they are. And when 233 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: you combine Baker's kind of raw personality with that culture, 234 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: it just didn't feel right. 235 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: Now. 236 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: He's kind of the same guy. I'm matured a little, 237 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: but it feels perfect in Tampa because it's not a 238 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: flammable organization. 239 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: It's kind of it's almost a sleepy organization. 240 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 241 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 7: I think if you're doing top ten quarterbacks, you cannot 242 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 7: leave Baker out of the top ten, all. 243 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: Right, right now, He's absolutely in it. 244 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 7: Hey, I mean in not just two games last season, 245 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 7: he was incredible. This season before that, he was very, 246 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 7: very good. He is playing out of his mind. 247 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 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SHOOTING i, Mean Steph 265 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: curry would have worked much better now than later because 266 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: he took shots that you weren't allowed to take in the, seventies, eighties. 267 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: NINETIES i don't care how good you were at shooting. 268 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: Them that the math hadn't been figured out in THE, 269 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: nba And Steph curry would have been shooting him and 270 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: they would have, said, well you're hitting thirty eight percent of, 271 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: them And steph would have, said. 272 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: Yeah but if you do threes and. 273 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: Twos it took the analytics community to convince, people and 274 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: it still The lakers forever would not embrace the three point. 275 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: Shot So Steph curry born in the perfect, era a small, 276 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: guy not, physical not a, great but his shot which 277 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: has been totally embraced because the sport, changed like the sport, 278 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: Changed AND, i you, KNOW i just think the reality 279 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: Is Baker mayfield has had a great couple of years In. 280 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: Tampa but it used to Be staubach And aikman And 281 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: Harry bradshaw And Dan. Fout you got drafted by a 282 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: team and you crossed your, fingers they would eventually get 283 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: you the right. Coach Eventually Dan fouts Gets Don coriel, 284 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: right and Eventually elway Gets. Shanahan but you kind of 285 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: just stayed with your. Team but young, gms now gms are. 286 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: Younger everybody. TRADES i, Mean Micah parsons just got traded 287 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: to a great team in the same, Conference Green bay From. 288 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: Dallas and so if you. 289 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: Look At baker's first five years in THE, nfl if 290 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: he'd have been born in nineteen, fifty nineteen, fifty it 291 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: would have been. Done he was under five, hundred his 292 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: past rating was mid. Eighties he completed sixty one percent 293 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: of his. Throws he had one hundred touchdown, passes sixty five. 294 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: Picks he would have never been given other. 295 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: Opportunities but in this, era Sleepy, tampa which has always 296 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: been able to get the roster right but Until brady 297 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: could never get the quarterback, right looked around and, said, 298 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: well McVeagh liked. Him he didn't get to a playoff In, 299 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: cleveland and they put their arms around. Him and And 300 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: tampa's a very sleepy. Brand like we all know the 301 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: great brands in THE, nfl like The niners and The 302 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: eagles and The ravens and They're. Steelers and then we 303 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: all know the bad. Brands they can't get out of 304 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: their own, way you, know The jets and The panthers 305 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: At cleveland And chicago a. Lot tampa is one of 306 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: those that's much closer to the top than the. Bottom 307 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: people tend to think they're in the. Middle but since 308 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: two thousand and, two The buccaneers have more playoff wins Than, 309 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: buffalo The, vikings a well run, team The, broncos by the, 310 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: way they have More Super bowl wins in that time 311 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: than The, niners and The Cowboy is and, oh by the, 312 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: way Only New england And kansas city the last twenty 313 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: three years in THE nfl have more Super. Bowls they're 314 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: on a long list of two or a short. List 315 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: So tampa's always been well. Run they just can't get 316 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Right and they've got quiet, owners a GREAT, 317 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: Gm Mike, Evans Chris. Godwin now they've got another young star. 318 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: Receiver it's never been a personnel issue In. Tampa they've 319 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: HAD i covered them years. Ago they've always had. Players 320 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: BUT i Think tampa is one of those sneaky good. 321 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: Businesses BUT i Think Baker mayfield And Sam darnold deserves, 322 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: this And Gino, smith they would not have been able 323 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: to get these massive contracts and get a third or 324 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: a fourth. Team people gave up on. You people just 325 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: gave up on. You here, is by the, Way Baker 326 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: mayfield with The Kelsey brothers this summer talking about the 327 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: fit In. 328 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 9: Tampa this isn't thet on the other Team. French but 329 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 9: like that when you step in and YOUR gm and 330 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 9: your head coach, say, hey just be. You After i've 331 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 9: been told at every stop and EVERYWHERE i, go, hey 332 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 9: you need to tone it down a little. Bit you 333 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 9: need to be a franchise. Quarterback it's just not WHO i, 334 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 9: Am LIKE i where are my emotions on my? Sleeves 335 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 9: we've hung, out you guys know. Me i'm gonna, Talk 336 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 9: i'm gonna do. Whatever but when it's time to turn 337 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 9: the lights on and go do, Something i'm gonna do. 338 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 9: It so WHEN i stepped into the, building they all 339 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 9: told me to just be. Myself and so it's been 340 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 9: not to, say like, comfortable but it's felt like home 341 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 9: since the. 342 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 3: Beginning, yeah and it. 343 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: Does it looks like, home and it feels like. Home 344 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: and THE nfl now is a very transactional. League and 345 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: it's been great For Baker mayfield because you go look 346 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: at those first five. 347 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: Seasons he didn't suddenly get more. 348 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: Talented he got bad, fits weird, cities bitter media five. 349 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: Seasons then in the, seventies nobody is rolling the dice 350 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: and say you're our. 351 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: Guy he feels like a perfect fit In. 352 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: Tampa AND i DO i believe you, KNOW i always 353 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: hear about you, know young people are. Struggling young people 354 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: are struggling with their mental. Health AND i do think 355 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: some people have old school. Mentality they want to stay 356 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: in their. Hometown and society has gotten incredibly transactional and 357 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: fast and. Fluid in my, industry there's a change every six. 358 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: Months some people just aren't built for. It they were 359 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: born too. Late baker got it. RIGHT i, mean this 360 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: is a great, story but it wasn't a story that 361 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: feels that. Possible even like fifteen years. Ago the league's 362 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: gotten incredibly. Transactional young gms are willing to trade. Anybody 363 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: jmck of The. 364 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 2: News, no, no. 365 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: No. 366 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: This is The Herdline. News you. 367 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: Know the other, Thing jaymack you talked about this yesterday 368 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: is when you look at the great quarterbacks in this, 369 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: league very, rarely they were all on the. MARKET i 370 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: Mean baker was on the market After cleveland And Josh 371 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: allen did not go number, one Or mahomes Or Jordan 372 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: love Or Aaron. RODGERS i, mean how many teams could 373 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: have Had Dan, marino like the Idea Peyton manning goes 374 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: one or A John. Elway when you look at the 375 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in the, league They Ohio state. 376 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 3: Had Joe, burrow then he went and won A natty AT. 377 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: Lsu generally they're available to all the bad. Teams baker 378 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: was available to the league and four or five teams 379 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: that could have had a shot at, him are still 380 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: bad at. Quarterback and when think About, Brady brady came 381 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: out Of New. 382 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 3: England as a. 383 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: Goat two teams aggressively went after, Him tampa and The, 384 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: chargers and for the next three years he was still 385 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: a top three quarterback in the. League SO i don't 386 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: feel sorry for teams in THE nfl that. Struggle baker 387 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: was there for. Everybody Sam darnold was there for The. 388 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: Raiders he'll flourish In. Seattle. 389 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 7: Now, yeah by the, way Hearing baker with The kelsey, Brothers, 390 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 7: colin it makes you, Wonder geez Shaduor. 391 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 6: Sanders The ravens wanted. 392 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 7: You the Multiple ravens wanted to draft, you a good. 393 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 7: Organization you said, NO i want to go to The 394 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 7: browns BECAUSE i. 395 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 6: Have a chance to. 396 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 7: Start baker basically just unloaded on The browns to The Kelsey. 397 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 7: BROTHERS i, mean what a. Disaster, anyways let's move on 398 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 7: to The Chicago, Bears. Colin, listen they're zero and, Two, 399 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 7: Okay caleb has not looked great off the scripted plays 400 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 7: and the. 401 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 6: Media they're starting to come out with their. 402 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 7: Knives The Chicago Sun times as an article placing the 403 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 7: blame on wait for, IT, Gm Ryan, poles Not, caleb 404 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 7: not On Ben. Johnson the article basically, Says Ryan pole's 405 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 7: roster construction has been. Awful, Meanwhile detroit's crushing the, Draft 406 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 7: minnesota's finding guys in free, agency and colin our staff put. 407 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 6: Together you Know Ryan pole's drafts over the last few. 408 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 7: Years and unfortunately for. 409 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 6: Him he has a Zero pro bowlers in that. 410 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 3: Time, Now Roma Don jay looks pretty. 411 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 6: Good he, does BUT i would. 412 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 7: Agree and zero all pros in that time since he's been. 413 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 6: Drafting it's not. Great and all of a sudden people are, like, 414 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 6: oh they've got a terrible. Roster GM's. 415 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 7: Fault let me ask a couple of questions. Here number, 416 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 7: one do you Think Ben johnson is already this upset 417 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 7: that his camp is maybe starting to be, like, hey 418 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 7: it's not my, fault it's Not. 419 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 6: Caleb take a deep. 420 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 7: Breath look at the GM's track. Record do you think 421 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 7: this is a deflection of the blame game. 422 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 6: Or is it too early? 423 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 3: Now SO i, think. 424 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: You, know years, ago somebody told Me texas, Football Texas longhorn. 425 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: Football they said it out from the, outside that looks 426 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: like the best job in college. Football but it's very. 427 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: Political Mac brown was very good at dealing with that political, 428 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: stuff but That texas football has had a lot of failed. 429 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 3: Coaches, yeah it's. Hard it's a hard. 430 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 1: Job The Chicago bears is a very political. Organization you've 431 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: got a lot of McCaskey. Kids you're trying to curry 432 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: favor with the. Kids you're trying to balance. That it's 433 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: a proud football city where a lot of people have. 434 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: Opinions they've been trying to move the. Stadium now it's 435 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: going to go To Arlington. Heights not everybody's happy with. 436 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: That Ryan poles got an. EXTENSION i didn't get. IT 437 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people THAT i trust in the league 438 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: didn't really get. It SO i just think, it's you, 439 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: know one of the advantages The packers, have WHICH i 440 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: always thought was a disadvantage and now is an. Advantage 441 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,239 Speaker 1: they don't have an, owner you, know The packers just 442 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: don't have to answer to an impulsive owner or the 443 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: crazy kids in the. 444 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 3: Family SO i. 445 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: Think this, JOB i think people People Ben jonson knew 446 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: there were some politics with this. JOB i think there's 447 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: probably more than he. Guessed it's a heavier lift than he. 448 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: Thought SO i JUST i think this job is a. 449 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: LOT i think The jets job is a, hard hard. 450 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: JOB i think that you, Know New york And chicago 451 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: make hard jobs. 452 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 7: Harder it's what's really tough is the draft is in exact, 453 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 7: science and. 454 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 6: We have on the screen The bears first and second. 455 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 7: Round Pick center. Polls none of them have totally. HATE 456 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 7: i agree on A. Donezi but the problem, is for, 457 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 7: Instance Darnell, right remember him going, tenth it was it 458 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 7: felt like a. 459 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 6: Reach do you know who went twelfth of The Detroit. 460 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 7: Lions you not have to face him twice a, year 461 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 7: and he's absolutely crushing. 462 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 6: It and you look in that. 463 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 7: Draft Christian, gonzalez who's hurt a, lot is a potential 464 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 7: stud with The. 465 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 6: Patriots so, Listen i'm not going to kill the guy 466 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 6: for the. 467 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 7: Draft but you'd like to see some hits, Here, colin 468 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 7: and you're not really seeing. THEM i would Agree Roma 469 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 7: dunz looks like a bit of a potential. 470 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: Star there are picks he's made THAT i didn't. Like Belis, 471 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: jones third round, receiver did not like that. PICK i 472 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: didn't have a. PROBLEM i wasn't a Huge Luther burden. 473 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: Fan Colston, LOVELAND i think is a good. PICK i 474 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: Think romadnze is. Excellent you, KNOW i backed the Way william's. 475 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: Pick some of these guys are just young and haven't 476 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: worked into the. System can we start Targeting Colston? Loveland, 477 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: LIKE i, MEAN i don't bring my awesome fantasy, team. 478 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 6: But they're not getting the ball To? Loveland, like why 479 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 6: would you draft in that? 480 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 7: HIGH i just some weirdness is going. On but you 481 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 7: know how this, Works. Colin once things start to fail 482 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 7: in any, business the finger pointing begins that everybody's looking 483 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 7: out for. 484 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 6: Themselves they want. 485 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: To specially especially with The bears again a very political. 486 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 7: Job, Yeah poles clearly needs to watch his. Back next, Up, Colin, 487 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 7: hey we got a birthday to. Celebrate Patrick mahomes thirty 488 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 7: years old. Today some people think he's a. GOAT i 489 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 7: think it's a little. Premature he could end up, there he's. 490 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: Certainly, yeah some people think. 491 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: It's. 492 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 7: Early it's a little early for, that but, listen he's 493 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 7: super accomplished Three Super bowl rings, already. 494 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: By the, way and he played the goat in The 495 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: Super bowl and got cashed. 496 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 3: And he got. 497 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 7: Smoked brady has beaten him. Twice remember When brady went 498 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 7: Into arrowhead with that overtime drive before they change the. Rules, 499 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 7: anyways obviously with Colleague Tom brady the. 500 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 6: Goat here's a chart. 501 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 7: Comparing the two before turning thirty And Patrick mahomes extremely. 502 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 7: Accomplished you know when you get Handed Andy reid not 503 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 7: a bad start to your career before. Thirty But brady's 504 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 7: strength is his. Longevity just why Like lebron is the 505 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 7: goat because he's still putting up in doitible. 506 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 6: Numbers brady did this into HIS leti and let's. 507 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 3: Be fair To. 508 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: Brady brady entered this. League it was not a passing. 509 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: League it was a passing. League tom's last five to 510 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: six years in the. League it's been a passing league 511 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: for a. Decade mahomes entered right in the BIG i, 512 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: MEAN i would say that it had been established as 513 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: a passing. League And Andy reid is the great passing head. 514 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: Coach so some of these WHAT i care. About the 515 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: only THING i really care about is playoff wins And super, 516 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: Bowls so that's WHAT i care. About brady faced him 517 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: in AN afc championship And arrowhead and beat, Him And 518 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: brady faced him in A Super bowl and blew him. 519 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: Out So tom is the goat and it's not particularly 520 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: close at this. 521 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 3: POINT i. 522 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 6: Agree, Hey by the, Way i'll just say, THIS i. 523 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 7: Don't Remember Tom brady missing the playoffs in his, prime do. 524 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 7: You i'll have to double, say BUT i don't remember 525 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 7: other than the year he got injured, Obviously, Colin i'm 526 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 7: just telling you there is some pressure quietly On mahomes this. 527 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 7: Year hey, man ALL i keep, hearing is it everybody? 528 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 7: ELSE i don't want to hear. This we Need Xavier 529 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 7: Worthy and she writes. 530 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 6: Back that's the. 531 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 7: Answer i'm just saying. It mahomes missus the playoffs this. 532 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 7: Year we need to put a this goat nonsense on the. Shelf, 533 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 7: okay he could get, there but he ain't there. Yet 534 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 7: final Story colin Is Dabo sweeney And clemson one and 535 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 7: two on the, season fell out of the top twenty 536 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 7: five after lost To Georgia. Tech dabo is really fired 537 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 7: up defending his. 538 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 4: Program if we stink because we haven't played for the 539 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 4: national championship Since january of twenty WELL i guess we, stink. 540 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 6: Or we haven't won it Since january of. 541 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 2: Nineteen we haven't won the national. 542 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 4: Championship, well THEN i guess we, Stink but why we 543 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 4: held to a different standard from all these other teams 544 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 4: out there who ain't ever won. Nothing we're not, perfect 545 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 4: and we may suck this. Year we, may we, may 546 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 4: we may lay a freaking egg and go six and. 547 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 4: Six BUT i don't think so they want me. Gone 548 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 4: they they tired of, winning they can send me on the, 549 00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 4: way because that's all we've done. 550 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 2: Win so if they tired of, winning we've. 551 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: Had we've won this league eight. 552 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 7: Out the last ten. Years is that not? 553 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 4: Good i'm just, asking you. 554 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 6: Know, really you know. 555 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 9: WHAT i like? 556 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: That BUT i think there's a Little Mike skrzewski. Here 557 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: So Mike krzyzewski was a great coach and Had natty's 558 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: and then he here came the one. 559 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: And done and he, SAID i don't want to do. 560 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 6: One, no that's. 561 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: Good and Then skrzyzewski, went, Whow i'm getting beat by 562 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: one and done. Teams and So shryzewski put his arms 563 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,239 Speaker 1: around one and done and went on to win to Learn. 564 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: Natty So dabbo has. 565 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: Championships here comes the nil and the portal And dabbo is, 566 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: Like i'm not gonna play. That and now he's getting 567 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: beat by teams who are heavily invested in THE nil and. 568 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: Portal and the truth is he's gone the other. Way 569 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: AND i think it has A skrzewsky feel where at 570 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 1: some Point Mike krzyzewski, went, listen the world has, changed 571 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: the culture has. Changed the great athletes are not standing 572 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: college two in three. 573 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 3: Years they're. 574 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: NOT i, mean Even stanford tells its smartest students, leave 575 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 1: go pursue YOUR. 576 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: Id you can come. 577 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: Back if you're a great basketball, player you're a, prodigy 578 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: leave college. Early you do it in academics all the. 579 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: Time SO i think he needs to take a step 580 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: back and look At Mike krychevski and. Go mike didn't 581 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: get it right, initially But mike got it right. Eventually 582 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: dabbo isn't doing it right ON. Nil you don't have 583 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: to have twenty guys a, year BUT i think there's 584 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: a number somewhere between like eight and twelve Where i'm, 585 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: sorry but THE nil isn't just for finding, Stars. JASON 586 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's, like, like we need depth at. 587 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: Linebacker college football seasons, now if you end up in the, Playoffs. 588 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: Jason are like fifteen, Games, yeah you just. Lose it's 589 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 3: not eleven games. 590 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: Anymore you should go to the nil for a number three, 591 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: receiver a number two tight, end like a number two. Guard, 592 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: like it's not just getting, stars it's adding depth because 593 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: we all know who the. Recruiting half the guys never pan. 594 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: Out SO i think And il you think it's all 595 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: money and it's getting. Stars a lot of, times it's 596 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: just getting. Depth it's just getting another corner because you're 597 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: gonna lose three over the course of a fifteen game 598 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: season if you're in the. 599 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,959 Speaker 7: Playoff, yeah it's, listen this happens across every, business, Right, 600 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 7: hey you know, what, more a lot of people are watching. 601 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 7: YouTube you need a YouTube. Page, hey you know, what 602 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 7: a lot of the eyeballs are on. TikTok get on. 603 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 7: TikTok you gotta adapt and. CHANGE i don't Feel dabo's done. 604 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 7: That And, Colin i'm gonna be, honest, LIKE i don't 605 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 7: want to HEAR i win THE acc every. 606 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 6: Year wook the damn? Do you're in sec, Country. 607 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 7: Bros that's not the standard. Anymore when you win national, 608 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 7: championships you got a certain standard to keep going. 609 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 6: To and he's just not nobody. 610 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: Out she's a good. Coach, yeah but nothing kills a great. 611 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: Coach Bobby knight's a great example of. Rigidity. YEAH i, 612 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: mean by the, Way Mike shayzchewski looked up and, went, Yeah. 613 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 7: Carolina is doing one and. Done we gotta do it. 614 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 7: Too by the, way just colin real. Quick when they 615 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 7: have like six players drafted in the first and second, 616 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 7: round people are going to look at, me, like why 617 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 7: was It clemson? Better they had all this talent because 618 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 7: they're gonna have a lot of guys drafts a high, 619 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 7: yes and all of a sudden it's, like Oh clemson's 620 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 7: stunk or they were in nine, wins that's. 621 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: It, well you, know the other thing about THE Nil 622 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: georgia doesn't feel as good today is they did PRE 623 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: nil transfer portal. Line it's not that they've lost their, 624 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: stars they've lost their. Depth you, know you play AN sec, schedule. 625 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 3: You lose four. 626 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: Starters it used to Be georgia's backups were five star 627 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: kids ready to, play but they get poached in THE. 628 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: Nil so Even Ohio state last, year you lose a left, 629 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: tackle you. 630 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 3: Don't have a guy. 631 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: Available so what's happened to the big? Dogs the margins 632 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: are shrinking because your backups get. Poked louisville comes, In 633 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: purdue comes, In indiana comes in and, says you don't 634 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: have to play backup to. 635 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 3: Us you're our starting left. 636 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: Tackle you're a backup right tackle At. Bama and so 637 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: what's happened here is that it's not That clemson doesn't 638 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: have great, players but do they have the depth of 639 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: players Of Ohio. State and that's where you, Know Ohio 640 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: state can go Buy kalob deb but not every guy 641 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: you buy Is Caleb. Downs some are number two receivers 642 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: and number three. CORNERS J mack with the, News. 643 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 2: Well that's the, news and thanks for stopping by The 644 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 2: Herd Line. 645 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: NEWS i always pushed back a little On Jalen HURTS J. 646 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: Mack you, KNOW J mack likes the shorter. Guys i'm 647 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: not going to get into, why but he loves the shorter. 648 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: Guys but there is AN nfl exec that kind of 649 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: summed it up On Jalen hurts and we'll talk about. 650 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 7: That. 651 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: Neck be sure to catch live editions Of The herd 652 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: weekdays and Noon easter nine Am pacific On Fox Sports 653 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 2: RADIO fs one and The iHeartRadio. 654 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: App it's fair to say that Arch manning will not 655 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: be coming out of college football this, year that he 656 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: will come back for another year To. Texas it's been a, 657 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: disaster And i've got my theories on Why danny. Caneal 658 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,959 Speaker 1: yesterday or the day, BEFORE i talked about is it? 659 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: Mental is it kind of A Ben simmons, thing A 660 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: Markel foltz, thing where it's above the. Shoulders he's, struggling 661 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: he's lost. CONFIDENCE i don't. Know i've never played quarterback 662 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: at the college, level SO i don't necessarily. 663 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 3: Disagree but this season's been. 664 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: Bad he is literally last in THE sec among all 665 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in completion percentage and near the bottom in everything. 666 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: Else of fourteen quarterbacks with three plus, starts he's twelveth 667 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,719 Speaker 1: or worse in virtually. 668 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 3: Everything it doesn't look. 669 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: Good the production's bad, now they're missing some receivers and, 670 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: bags and THE o line is. Young the defense is much. 671 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: Better it just doesn't look right. Now to support, him 672 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: it should be noted that Bow nick spent five years in, 673 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: college so Did Jaden daniels And Justin herbert spent, four 674 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: so like time on task in college football matters for 675 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in THE. Nfl the other thing is if your 676 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: last name Is, manning you don't have a lot of. 677 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: Turbulence Jalen hurts had a, transfer And baker had a, 678 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: transfer And Joe burrow had a, transfer and Cam ward 679 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: had a, transfer and that turbulence is incredibly valuable for, 680 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: you Right it's incredibly. Valuable And alabama quarterbacks And texas 681 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: quarterbacks AND usc quarterbacks his story don't have as much. 682 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 1: Turbulence they play with better. Players SO i THINK i 683 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: was thinking about this this. Morning take quarterbacks like thirty 684 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: one years or. Younger don't Take stafford Or Aaron. Rodgers 685 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: let's talk about this generation of. Quarterbacks let's look at 686 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: the quarterback mountain in THE. Nfl so the ten best 687 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,959 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and we can argue who it. Is but right, 688 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: now so far this, season here are the ten best. 689 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: Quarterbacks now think about. This Patrick mahomes had a losing 690 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: record in. 691 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 3: College that's. 692 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: Turbulence Josh allen small, School wyoming awful his first year 693 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: in the. Pros Joe burrow had to, transfer multiple. Injuries 694 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: Lamar jackson passed over by, everybody including The ravens in 695 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: the first. Round they got him with their second, pick 696 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: and many believed he was a receiver and not a. 697 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: Quarterback Justin herbert probably the best. Route i'll get to 698 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: him in a second. Though Dak, prescott fourth, rounder non traditional, 699 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: power couple of injuries here he is. Today Quarterback Baker 700 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 1: mayfield multiple, teams had to transfer in. College Jared goff 701 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: went to a non traditional football, power got crushed first. 702 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: Year Jared fisher gets to A Super, bowl eventually gets 703 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: traded to Losing. Detroit Jalen hurt second, rounder had to 704 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: Transfer bama bench to be in a national championship. Game 705 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: And Jordan love non traditional Power Utah state lost a 706 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: lot of, games had to sit for three. Years so 707 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: of all the top ten, quarterbacks the young quarterbacks this generation's, 708 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: Quarterbacks herbert's had it the. Easiest and think about, this 709 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: he was a three star, player not a five. Star 710 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: he had three different coaches At oregon And harbaughs is 711 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: third coach in the, pros so it took him his 712 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: fifth coach to get a legendary. Coach and that's the easiest. 713 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: Route Justin herbert's rout's been, like, Oh, Oregon, well, Yeah 714 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: oregon was, good but they couldn't get the coach right 715 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: during his stay there because he started like five or 716 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: six games into HIS i think freshman, year and he 717 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: goes to The chargers and two coaches don't. Work now 718 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: he's put up great numbers At oregon and great he's 719 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: got the easiest. Route so my take is on Arch, 720 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: manning he's never had. Turbulence he grew up with, money 721 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: he grew up with. Fame he's a great looking. Kid 722 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: he goes To, texas he was on a dominant high school. 723 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: Team this turbulence is. Important it's not a coincidence that 724 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 1: all these guys had to overcome, stuff all of. Them 725 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: Here's sark on arches struggles and why they. 726 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 10: HELP i think you hit the nail on the. HEAD 727 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 10: i think some of this is really. Good you, know 728 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 10: here's a guy who's had an awesome. Life you, know 729 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 10: he's you, know the way he's grown, up where he, 730 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 10: played the school he went, to the people he's been surrounded. 731 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 2: By BUT i think you. 732 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,760 Speaker 10: Learn a lot about yourself through adversity and overcoming adversity 733 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 10: and getting on the other side of. Adversity and so 734 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 10: to have some of this adversity that he has right 735 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 10: now and when he gets on the other side of, 736 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 10: IT i think all of this is going to serve 737 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 10: not only well for, him but well for us as a. 738 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 6: Team and so. 739 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 2: Love the challenge for, him love the challenge for. 740 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: Us, yeah and it's just you, KNOW i read a 741 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: story it must have been like ten or fifteen years, 742 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: ago and somebody was writing ABOUT ufc fighters and how 743 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: most of them grew up with, brothers. Roughhousing they grew 744 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: up physical, kids sometimes older brothers picking on. Him and it's, like, 745 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: yeah if you're going to be that tough when you're twenty, 746 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: eight at eighteen and, eight you probably have to defend 747 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: yourself at some. Point AND i look At Arch manning 748 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: and if it was just, hey the best high schooler 749 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: goes to the best college goes to THE. Nfl that's 750 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: The Peyton manning, story that's The Matt stafford, story and 751 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: he ended up With. 752 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 3: Detroit it almost never works that. Way it's. 753 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: Unbelievable at one point in THE nfl there were three 754 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: quarterbacks starting FROM Nc state and none FROM usc Or. 755 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: ALABAMA i mean in most of These alabama, quarterbacks it's 756 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: not that they're not good, kids but you, Know Mac 757 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: jones to a you, know when you lead every football. 758 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: Game this has been my knock ON jj. McCarthy he 759 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: didn't have to. 760 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 3: Throw they. 761 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: Won he had the best, coach he had the best offensive, 762 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: line he had the best. Defense outside Of Ohio, state 763 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: he always had better. Players SO i, MEAN i, mean 764 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: think about how Great Ohio state football. IS i would 765 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: say it's the second best college program of my. 766 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 3: Life C. 767 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: J stroud is their only GREAT nfl quarterback and right 768 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: now he's. Reeling and last year they couldn't keep a receiver. 769 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: Healthy the left tackle had an off. Year this year 770 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: he may have the worst offensive line in. Football now 771 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: he got to the. PLAYOFFS i think he's. Excellent but C. J, 772 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: stroud he is living a real. LIFE i MEAN i 773 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: always say. THAT i remember When Matt liner played AT, 774 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: usc they were so dominant and The pac ten was 775 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: really bad at that. TIME i think one year he 776 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: got sacked like eleven. Times he got popped in the 777 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: mouth once At Arizona state and he had a bloody. 778 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: Lip But i'm, like, Now i've never seen that With Matt, 779 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: Lioner like it was just he lived this. Life he 780 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: sat in the, pocket he threw the great players five, Stars, like, 781 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: man that's not preparing you for THE. 782 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 3: NFL. 783 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: Cj stroud the last year and a, half can't keep 784 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: a receiver, healthy doesn't have a run. Game it's easier 785 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: for The texans now to block a punt than pick 786 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: up two yards near the goal. Line they can't run the. 787 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: Football SO i mean we have right, now we have 788 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks in THE. Nfl think about this From Utah, State, Wyoming, 789 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: delaware cow one FROM usc and by the, way he's 790 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 1: bounced all over the. League Sam, darnold he bounced all 791 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,919 Speaker 1: over the. League SO i think this. STUFF i think 792 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: this stuff For Arch, MANNING i think it's All Caleb, 793 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: williams Well OKLAHOMA. 794 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 3: Usc half of. Them this thinks of the, other you know. 795 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: Whatever Caleb, WILLIAMS i, guess by the, way off to 796 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: a rocky. 797 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 3: Start So Jay, MAC i. 798 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: Guess my point is when you look at quarterback, mountain 799 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: there are no easy. Paths there are no drafted number 800 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: one went to a good, team like Even Patrick mahomes 801 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: sat for a. YEAR i REMEMBER i Watched Patrick mahomes 802 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: twice in. COLLEGE i thought he was way too. Wild i'm, 803 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: like this conference is. Crazy he was winning fifty four 804 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: to forty. 805 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 3: Five this is. Nonsense he's three real league. 806 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 6: Football that's what it. Was, yeah it's like sixteen to fifty. 807 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 6: Four but quick. 808 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 7: Note SO i happen to See Joel klatt downstairs this. 809 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 7: Morning we were, chatting AND i was, like you, Know 810 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 7: colin's been pumping up this quarterback class for the next year's. 811 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 7: Draft a lot Arch, Manning, notusmier all these young. Guys, Hey, 812 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 7: joel have you noticed they've largely stunk up the joint 813 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 7: so far this? Season he's, like, well you could be honest. 814 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 7: Something we're done talking Arch manning in twenty twenty. Six THAT'S, 815 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 7: Ok BUT i am. Curious Club nick has been. Dreadful, 816 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,479 Speaker 7: yes he can't read a defense to save his, life Nuss. 817 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 7: Meyer other than that first game is, Gold, COLIN i 818 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 7: think we need to readjust for the twenty twenty six. 819 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: DRAFT i think you're onto. Something, uh and there's a 820 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: kid out. West oh, gosh here we, go Usc Jaden. 821 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 6: MAH i have a good power two, now