WEBVTT - Trading BACK!? Mock Draft Battle 2.0 | Ticket to the Draft Podcast | Washington Commanders 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.280 On today's episode of Tick to the Draft Podcast, we 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:05.240 got smooth watch smooth search. He's not here? Where's he at? 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:05.760 Jason out on? 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:06.880 I don't know. He's on his way. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:08.400 Yeah, but while we're waiting for him to show up, 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:08.840 does he come? 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:09.080 Zach? 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.280 I'm gonna see. Got to listen to the whole episode 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:14.560 to find out. But on today's episode, we are gonna 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:16.600 trade back or not to trade back? What are the 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.840 pros and cons of trading back in the draft? And 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.080 if we bypass quarterback that second bick overall and then 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.239 this is it mock battle Selby and maybe smooth. We'll 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:33.199 be here see who wins. Find out right out. Welcome 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.400 on into the Ticket of the Draft podcast. I'm logan 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.280 pauls in here with the infamous Zach Selby and jess 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.920 the guy Jason And if anyone I knows this and Jessica, 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.720 Jason is kind of incognito. If anyone recognizes him at 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:48.559 the store or something, just go up and say what's 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:52.440 up to him? Give him a handshake, hardy handclasp, Nonna. 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.000 I want this, I want this to be a thing 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:55.200 like you. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.480 I'm gonna recognize me. I have yet to be on camera. 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.960 I know, but that's why let's say your order little 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.080 see you heard some order some food or something like. Man, 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.200 that voice, that's the voice of an angel. I recognize 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.200 that from something that content. I know that anywhere. And 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.360 it's like, you're a justin guy, Jason. If that happens, 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:11.000 we got to get that. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.040 So can you just walk around constantly going chop robin. 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:21.440 And then unfortunately we're missing We're a falling soldier, right. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:22.480 My assistant GM is the. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:28.479 Assistant M and we've we've tried to contact Fred no, no, no, comprendo, no, 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.080 nothing yet, so he's not here. So what we're hoping for, 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:34.160 just for some great podcast content, is that he calls 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.360 in the middle of us doing this and says, hey, man, 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.360 I thought we were at ten o'clock or something like that. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:43.119 Or he comes in mid mid process and says, Zach, 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:45.840 let me save this draft and I'm like, no, we've 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:50.880 got He's close it out, but just remember reminder take 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.760 it to The draft is presented by Seek, the official 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:57.480 primary ticketing partner of the Washington Commanders. And we got 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:58.680 a fun show today, Jason. 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:02.320 Right, Yeah, the drafts. Everybody loves them, so loves them. 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.320 Getting ready to go to the combine. But before we do, uh, 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:08.920 we have to at the number two pick. We have 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.280 so many options and not just who we pick at 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.880 number two, but things we can do in that spot, 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.959 such as trading back, which is something our fans in 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.120 our comments I've been talking about, why not just trade back? 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.400 This is a loaded draft at the top end, it 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.480 seems like in talent, so let's stock up, especially since 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.560 we need we need a lot of players. We have 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.519 a thin roster right now. Sure, so what do you 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.120 guys think about this trading back situation? Would you do 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.040 it if you're the GM of this team. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.200 I mean, I would definitely consider it because everything I've 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:47.240 heard is the top half yeah, right, at least, But 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:48.640 I think you know from what I've heard about the 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.120 top half of the draft is it's pretty top heavy. 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.280 There's a lot of really good talent there, especially on 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.880 Day two. My only caveat to it would possibly be 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.560 you have a chance to hopefully you never pick a 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.120 number two again, and you have a chance to get 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.160 a franchise guy, So you have to weigh franchise guy 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.240 you can to keep on your roster for ten years 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.880 versus having a lot of really good players to definitely 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.480 surrounder guy, surrounding roster with whoever the guy is coming 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:14.480 up next, Right. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.919 Yeah, No, I think like to that point, I think 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:18.480 you look at the Philadelphia Eagles and the way they 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.240 did it over the last probably four or five years, 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.880 a Crewing first round draft capital kind of always being 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.079 ready to take that quarterback. Ultimately, Jalen Hurts is our guy. 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:27.880 But one of the reasons he's able to be there, Guys, 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:29.920 they have one of the best rosters in football, right, 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.440 Rock Perty in San Francisco, same type of thing, right, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.840 Crewing draft capitol, hitting on picks, building through the draft, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:37.800 one of the best rosters in football. So I do 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.000 think there is a lot of advantage to saying, hey man, 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.120 we could make kind of a quarterback proof team. You know, 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:45.600 the Baltimore Ravens for a long time with Joe Flacco, 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.600 the Steelers back in the day, Seattle did the same thing, right, 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.200 young quarterback, uber talented roster because one of the things, 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.800 obviously is you know, the more talented football players you have, 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.000 the less lifting the quarterback has to do. The question is, though, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.040 like how close are you to that ideal roster construction? 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.160 And I think that's what becomes a little bit interesting 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.880 is like, you know, we need probably two edge rushers, 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.080 probably win in free agency one here. You need probably 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.440 a starting corner, you need a starting safety, you need 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.080 probably improving on the offensive line. Like how far or 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.800 close are you really with this roster? And you know 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:20.000 you gotta hit on some of these picks. And I 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.760 think that's the other thing about the trading back strategies. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.880 Everyone says, oh, trade back, get more good football players, 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:26.720 but you gotta hit on the picks. You got to 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.359 develop those guys. They got to fit your team vision. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.200 So I'm a huge advocate of trading back. However, I 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.560 agree to your point Selby that like I want to 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.640 trade back. I want to get more good football players. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.360 But also the most important position in all of sports 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.320 is the quarterback. So if there is an opportunity for 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.400 me to get that guy in this draft, I gotta 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.400 love my evaluation. Like even if I'm a little wishy washy, like, oh, 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.000 I don't love this about Drake may or Jayden Daniels 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.960 does this or whatever it is, and I feel comfortable 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.320 trading back or the price tag that the team is 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.640 willing to give me is so COMPREHENDI let's say it's 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.640 four first round draft picks. That's a franchise changing proposition, 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:06.960 and you're trading usually with the team that's gonna have 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.400 a young quarterback, they're gonna be picking very high. You're 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.520 just increasing your likelier that you can get that guy 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.880 in the following year. But you know, if it's like, 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:15.880 hey man, we'll give you two first and maybe a second, 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.440 I'm good. Like I'm good with what we got here, 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.560 And in terms of my evaluation, this is something that 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.479 I would probably be reluctant to do at this point 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.280 because I think all three of those guys are pretty 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.799 good football players. At the top Watch three Caleb Williams, 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.680 Drake May, and Jane Daniels I think are pretty good. 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.359 And again they all have their warts, they all have 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.240 their issues, but I think the baseline talent is there 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.360 for them. So I would say, like, I don't want 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.640 to miss that opportunity unless the packaging well. 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.080 And you have the trust your evaluation right now, say you, 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.320 for whatever reason you don't like any of those three, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.560 and you say, we actually think bo Nix is our guy. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.880 So yeah, I mean, if you feel like you can 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.280 get him at like eight or ten or something like that. 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.120 Then you're like, yeah, sure, we'll take We'll take what 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:00.760 we think is our franchise guy who we actually have 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.240 to hire a better evaluation on, and we're going to 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:04.839 get some extra extra. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:05.080 Picks on this. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:06.960 You have you, he can eat it too in that case. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.880 But that doesn't very happen all that often. 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.080 Yeah, And I think there's a reason, Like, you know, 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.960 everyone says trust your evaluation. I also think you need 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.120 to kind of you need to be aware of the consensus. 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.120 And what I mean by that is like if you 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.680 are like Jack Jason and I we do our big 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.440 draft board and we were rating defensive ends the other 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:24.520 day and we go through and we have like a 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.200 little conversation about it. I'm not that high on Brasswall, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.880 the defensive end from Alabama, Like, I'm not that high 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.120 on him, but I'm not My Hubers isn't such that 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.520 I'm going to ignore what everybody else thinks. And everyone 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.400 else has him as like the sixth guy. He's like 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.479 my tenth guy. So I've kind of got him in 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.200 red basically saying I got to watch this until I 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.800 see something that makes me understand why he's the sixth guy. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:45.800 You know what I'm saying, what I. 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.440 Have learned is like it's it's so easy. You can 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:49.600 outsmart yourself so much. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.200 Yeah, draft process. Yeah, and there's like let's say and 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.159 with him for example, like he's a good football player, 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.000 but like there's something about the athlete that I'm not 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.280 in love with. But that doesn't mean he's not going 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.120 to be a good pro right, And that doesn't mean 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:02.600 if he's getting the right situation, she's not gonna be 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.120 a football player. So that's where I'm always like, don't 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.240 you can you can be an outlier, you can say 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.680 this guy is my guy. You should always be aware 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.000 of what's going on with the consensus, because when you 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.720 know two hundred people are looking at something like usually 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.640 they you know, it's the same thing like with Wikipedia's 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.240 like a weird example, right, Yeah, Like you tend to 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.000 get the right information on Wikipedia just because like so 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.120 many people are going to the site and viewing it. Right, 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:29.200 So I'm always like, trust your evaluation, yes, but also 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.640 make sure you're aware of what everybody else thinks and 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.400 why they think that. I think is the other thing 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:35.440 I would point to there. So that's why I think 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.280 with the quarterback conversation. You know, we're going to talk 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:39.920 about this more in a second, but you get the 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.560 top three guys, and I think that's a pretty significant 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.800 step back. But you are going to be able to 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.960 find a guy somewhere on the internet who says bo 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.040 Nix is my number one quarterback. You're going to be 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.720 able to do that. And I don't agree with that guy, 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:54.640 but there are guys that feel that way and who 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:56.120 are very confident that. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.760 Oh they're always so. So this is the steal of 0:07:58.840 --> 0:07:59.880 the draft, no matter what. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.720 J McCarthy is flying up draft boards. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.840 Yeah, but that makes a little bit. That makes a 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.400 little bit more sense to me. We'll talk about that, 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.840 because you know, Selby's got got some big decisions here 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.720 at eight in this draft we got coming up. 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.920 So well, let's talk about Drake May a little bit 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:16.000 because our last pod we did a lot of quarterback talk. Sure, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.360 and it was my favorite part listening back to the podcast. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:21.360 But you were talking in the production, meaning how you 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.400 wanted to talk about Jake. Why do you want to 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:24.960 bring him back up even though we're not going to 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.880 draft him here because he's going to be gone, right, 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.560 we're trading back but yeah, So. 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:31.840 I think the thing with Drake May is like and 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.400 everyone thinks, like your draft evaluation is done. Like I've 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.080 watched Drake May. I've watched my four or five games 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.640 that I'm done. But I'm always trying to keep going 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.640 on a prospect right Like for example, like because some 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.360 people don't like Jane Daniels, why don't they like him? 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.679 I want to see what they see with regards to that, 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.360 and I want to see what people see when they 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.760 see the very positive in him too. So Drake May 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.920 like PFF for example, and you know Daniel Jeremiah, that's 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.440 their number two quarterback definitively they think that's capable shake May. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.880 And then there's like a tier Jade Daniels and then 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.360 tier to like bow Nick's or JJ mccarthur whoever. So 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.199 why is that? And so I went and found like 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.880 a best of throws from twenty twenty three, And when 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:15.080 you watch that, dude's best throws, it is it's amazing. 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.920 You know, it's it's high level, big time throws. Guys 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.199 hanging on, I'm moving up in the pocket, delivering over 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.320 the middle of the field. Really, you see an NFL 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.760 player and I think That's the thing about him is like, 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:27.600 and you said this in the production meeting, it's like, 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.240 what can he or you said this, Jason, what can 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.360 he do? Don't focus on what he can do, don't 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.679 focus on what he can't do. But the quarterback it's 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.679 a little different because when you watch a game of his, 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.520 it's like there's this bad miss or he takes a sack, 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:42.240 he shit, and you're like, oh, what's going on here? 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.120 But I just wanted to point out that his high 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:49.240 level throws are absolutely fantastic. His ability to extend plays, 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.240 find those guys kind of that that playmaker back there. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.440 It's not it's not Herbert, it's not Josh Allen, but 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.960 it's a unique skill set that kind of is trending 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.320 in that vein. And I see why people get so 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.360 excited about him based off of those really really high 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.160 level throws. I think that's something that you know, when 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.280 you're doing your evaluations, you should always do is say, 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.280 like people say, don't watch highlights, I think you should 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.079 watch highlights. I think you should watch a highlight. You 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:15.400 think you should watch a low light. I think you 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.360 should watch games because it helps you kind of flush 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.520 out again that idea of what you can do on 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.960 It's just a reminder to me that this dude is 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.840 uber uber talented and in his own way, and like, 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:29.280 are there inconsistencies, Yes, but like you said before, everything 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.040 is a projection, but his high his high throws, his 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:34.760 big time throws are absolutely exquisite and it gets you 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.120 excited for the type of player it could be at 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:36.640 the next level. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.559 Well, and I mentioned earlier you can outsmart yourself so 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.720 quickly in the APPLA and you've mentioned how you always 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.160 want to keep watching film on certain players. But at 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.960 some point, is there is there a point in any 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.600 evaluation for any player who we're like, maybe I'm watching 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:53.640 too much on I'm seeing things that I'm not seeing. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.319 That's a great question, and I think there is some 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.599 of that, you know, But I think when i'm I 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:00.679 think when there's when i'm under or on a player 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.160 I want to watch more like so usually when I'm 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.079 watching all twenty two film, I can get a feel 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.520 for the player, like this is not like typing myself up. 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:09.559 I've fucked of Scott's about this too. You can get 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.440 a feel for a player in about forty snaps, like 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.200 how they move their instincts, and you just watch more 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.680 to kind of make sure you've checked all the boxes. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.080 So like when I'm really rolling on the combine guys 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.559 and I got the all twenty two, especially the back 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.600 of those guys, I'm like, I get who this guy is, 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:27.319 and so I don't have to watch a ton of them. 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.079 But with quarterbacks specifically, because again, like Drake made is 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.480 a perfect example. You see him make a throw that 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.920 not many people in the world can make, right, but 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.439 you also see him with bad missus kind of boneheaded mistakes, 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.280 and so it's like, I gotta I want to kind 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.040 of peel back the onion on that guy and say 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.240 who is he? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, what 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:48.559 kind of guys he It's the same thing with like 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.480 Patrick Paul at the offensive lineman from Houston, like his 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.640 film is not great, exposes his chest, he's not very 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:55.400 technically sound. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.240 You see a lot of the frame, you see some 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.240 of the other like the strength. You see this, so 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:01.800 they gets you really excited. 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.000 Right, So when I first watched him, I gave him, 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:05.920 like I think I gave him like a fourth round grade, 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.079 fifth round grade. But then you go to the Senior Bowl, 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.160 guys are talking about him there, you're like, I gotta 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:11.440 go back and watch him some more. And so then 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.520 when you watch him, you you know, you let the 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.560 player run a little long. You see he's finishing down 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.480 the field, right, and you see that guy who's passionate 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.439 about the game marry that with the frame, and you're like, Okay, 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.360 I kind of understand why people are so high on 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.160 him because I kind of thought he was being lethargic 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.360 or lazy with his technique. I just don't think he's 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.760 been coached very well now, so that that changes my perspective. 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.840 And that's something if I went back to it, I 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.600 wouldn't have seen it, you know. And I hadn't gotten 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:33.680 back to it, I would have seen it. And so 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.440 again that's where it's kind of leaning on the consensus board, 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.200 leaning on that all that other stuff is important because 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:41.480 I don't see everything. And that's why these guys are 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.400 these scouts here at the building. They're meeting this week, 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.800 meeting last week to kind of make sure they're all 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.000 in the same page with the evaluation. You hear him 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:49.839 walking around the hall man, they're like, oh man, I'm 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.720 really glad you brought up that point because I hadn't 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.520 thought about that with this player specifically, And that's that's 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.400 why that's why communication and consensus about this process is 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.280 so important, and that's why with quarterbacks specifically, think it's 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.559 important to go back and be like, hey, you know 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.719 what am I seeing here? How do I quantify this? 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.560 And how do I value this? And I think people 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.559 who want to see who look at the high level 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.840 stuff of Drake may are one hundred percent right man, 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.199 because it's really really good. But I'm also like when 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.640 you're trying to when you're trying to like categorize players, right, 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.520 and you say, well, what about Jayden Daniels do I 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:22.920 like a little bit more? I felt like there was 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.959 a more consistent playmaking ability to his game when you 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.079 watch him week in and week out. But again, that's 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:29.800 why he's the best player in college football. So it's 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:31.720 kind of like, you know, how do you weigh that out? 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:33.880 So and you know, I kind of put this to 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.599 you earlier, but how much do you value things that 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.920 you can't necessarily coach for things that you can coach? 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.079 And for me, I think I kind of value that 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.280 a little bit more because in a finishing blocks for 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.160 off the line, like with Patrick Paulack that is huge 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.319 and they're giving on all especially like on backside zone 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.440 stuff like that. That play could always that block would 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.160 be the play that kind of set something up. With 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.959 quarterbacks for example, like I was mentioning to you, you 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:55.880 know the play that Drake may had against pitt or 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.800 he's spining off a defender throwing a touch down the 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.800 end zone, Like that's stuff that you can't normally teach 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.120 like and there's a lot and to me, that gets 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:05.760 me excited and it shows that he's never going to 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:06.520 give up on a play. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's a I those are 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:10.679 great points and I think for me, like a good 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.319 example is like defensive backs like tarryon Onnoard for example, 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.240 the dB from Alabama. He's like, he's a guy that 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:17.840 you're like, he is going to be a good pro. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.840 Like where his ceiling is it's hard to determine, but 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.560 he's at least going to be a baseline pro. Not 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.000 because he's great in coverage, because he's a very willing 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.560 and aggressive competitive tackler. So I know there's a guy 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.560 who's not afraid of the physical elements of the game. 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.840 He wants to get after it. He's got that, he's 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.160 got that energy and that juice. You see him get up, 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.800 he's fired up. And when you compare that guy to Wiggins, 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.400 the cornerback from Clemson, for example, Wiggins is a much 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.040 better coverage player but is not a passionate tackler. So 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:47.960 how much do you love the game? And that's where 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.520 you get to it. It's like when you see guy 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.800 and finish on the backside cutoff, You're like, that's that 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.040 extra little bit of juice or a receiver that blocks 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.080 in the run game, because you're really split in hairs, right, 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.600 And we've talked about this receiver class a ton. The 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.640 receivers are excellent in this class. They're fantastic, right, So 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.280 how do I differentiate the guys? And it's the stuff 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.720 that I can't coach, the mindset, the measurables, right, And 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.880 that's where that's what kind of moves guys up and down. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.520 And so when I see, you know, Ricky Piersaw actually 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.720 crack a linebacker on or run, I'm like that that 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.240 dude's a dude because he runs good routes, he catches 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.520 the ball well, and he's got this extra little bit 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.400 of salt actually a little bit of seasoning. So that's 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.560 a Logan Paulson type of player, you know what I mean. Yeah, 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.520 And I think that's the type of stuff And it's 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.720 different for every position. So like with a quarterback, for me, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.240 it's like, are you going to stand in there when 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.760 the when the pressure's coming, take this hit and deliver 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.600 the football down the field. Like everyone talks about Jade 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.440 Daniels taking big shots. I understand that's a negative, but 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.520 I see a guy who's hyper competitive and wants to 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.360 win football games, and so I want to put I 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.120 want to bet on that guy, and I'm hoping that 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.360 I can reel him back in those certain situations. But 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:50.920 I think that's one of the reasons when you watch 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.480 him against Missouri, when you watch him against Alabama, when 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.280 you watch him against Florida, like he wants to win 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.440 the game. And sometimes when you're watching watching Jayde Daniel 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.400 or Drake, it's a little bit like, oh the pressure's here, 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.080 I'm a little off balance, you know what I mean. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:05.880 It's he's still got that competitive juice. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.200 But you see the big moments and you have to say, 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.440 you have to you have to ask yourself as you 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:14.040 know whoever you're the evaluator, is like, how much do 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.120 you think taking those kind of shots on a player 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.680 who can make plays you don't normally see in the NFL? 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:21.160 Is it worth it over. 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.760 Maybe someone who's not as maybe technically gifted or maybe 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:26.440 does some of the things you don't necessarily like right 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.240 now because he could develop into something more. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.120 Yeah. So someone I was talking to a scout the 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.400 other day and this is the most interesting thing. I said, Oh, man, 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.680 I love that this guy we're talking about, some receiver 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.760 does this man and I love that he plays teams. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.320 And he said important things. Don't overvalue that, right, because 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.960 that that that guy has a floor, a very high floor. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.320 But ultimately, like if you're picking it high in the draft, right, 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.960