Speaker 1: On today's episode of Tick to the Draft Podcast, we
Speaker 1: got smooth watch smooth search. He's not here? Where's he at?
Speaker 1: Jason out on?
Speaker 2: I don't know. He's on his way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but while we're waiting for him to show up,
Speaker 1: does he come?
Speaker 2: Zach?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see. Got to listen to the whole episode
Speaker 1: to find out. But on today's episode, we are gonna
Speaker 1: trade back or not to trade back? What are the
Speaker 1: pros and cons of trading back in the draft? And
Speaker 1: if we bypass quarterback that second bick overall and then
Speaker 1: this is it mock battle Selby and maybe smooth. We'll
Speaker 1: be here see who wins. Find out right out. Welcome
Speaker 1: on into the Ticket of the Draft podcast. I'm logan
Speaker 1: pauls in here with the infamous Zach Selby and jess
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the drafts. Everybody loves them, so loves them.
Speaker 2: Getting ready to go to the combine. But before we do, uh,
Speaker 2: we have to at the number two pick. We have
Speaker 2: so many options and not just who we pick at
Speaker 2: number two, but things we can do in that spot,
Speaker 2: such as trading back, which is something our fans in
Speaker 2: our comments I've been talking about, why not just trade back?
Speaker 2: This is a loaded draft at the top end, it
Speaker 2: seems like in talent, so let's stock up, especially since
Speaker 2: we need we need a lot of players. We have
Speaker 2: a thin roster right now. Sure, so what do you
Speaker 2: guys think about this trading back situation? Would you do
Speaker 2: it if you're the GM of this team.
Speaker 4: I mean, I would definitely consider it because everything I've
Speaker 4: heard is the top half yeah, right, at least, But
Speaker 4: I think you know from what I've heard about the
Speaker 4: top half of the draft is it's pretty top heavy.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of really good talent there, especially on
Speaker 4: Day two. My only caveat to it would possibly be
Speaker 4: you have a chance to hopefully you never pick a
Speaker 4: number two again, and you have a chance to get
Speaker 4: a franchise guy, So you have to weigh franchise guy
Speaker 4: you can to keep on your roster for ten years
Speaker 4: versus having a lot of really good players to definitely
Speaker 4: surrounder guy, surrounding roster with whoever the guy is coming
Speaker 4: up next, Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think like to that point, I think
Speaker 1: you look at the Philadelphia Eagles and the way they
Speaker 1: did it over the last probably four or five years,
Speaker 1: a Crewing first round draft capital kind of always being
Speaker 1: ready to take that quarterback. Ultimately, Jalen Hurts is our guy.
Speaker 1: But one of the reasons he's able to be there, Guys,
Speaker 1: they have one of the best rosters in football, right,
Speaker 1: Rock Perty in San Francisco, same type of thing, right,
Speaker 1: Crewing draft capitol, hitting on picks, building through the draft,
Speaker 1: one of the best rosters in football. So I do
Speaker 1: think there is a lot of advantage to saying, hey man,
Speaker 1: we could make kind of a quarterback proof team. You know,
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens for a long time with Joe Flacco,
Speaker 1: the Steelers back in the day, Seattle did the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: young quarterback, uber talented roster because one of the things,
Speaker 1: obviously is you know, the more talented football players you have,
Speaker 1: the less lifting the quarterback has to do. The question is, though,
Speaker 1: like how close are you to that ideal roster construction?
Speaker 1: And I think that's what becomes a little bit interesting
Speaker 1: is like, you know, we need probably two edge rushers,
Speaker 1: probably win in free agency one here. You need probably
Speaker 1: a starting corner, you need a starting safety, you need
Speaker 1: probably improving on the offensive line. Like how far or
Speaker 1: close are you really with this roster? And you know
Speaker 1: you gotta hit on some of these picks. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the other thing about the trading back strategies.
Speaker 1: Everyone says, oh, trade back, get more good football players,
Speaker 1: but you gotta hit on the picks. You got to
Speaker 1: develop those guys. They got to fit your team vision.
Speaker 1: So I'm a huge advocate of trading back. However, I
Speaker 1: agree to your point Selby that like I want to
Speaker 1: trade back. I want to get more good football players.
Speaker 1: But also the most important position in all of sports
Speaker 1: is the quarterback. So if there is an opportunity for
Speaker 1: me to get that guy in this draft, I gotta
Speaker 1: love my evaluation. Like even if I'm a little wishy washy, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't love this about Drake may or Jayden Daniels
Speaker 1: does this or whatever it is, and I feel comfortable
Speaker 1: trading back or the price tag that the team is
Speaker 1: willing to give me is so COMPREHENDI let's say it's
Speaker 1: four first round draft picks. That's a franchise changing proposition,
Speaker 1: and you're trading usually with the team that's gonna have
Speaker 1: a young quarterback, they're gonna be picking very high. You're
Speaker 1: just increasing your likelier that you can get that guy
Speaker 1: in the following year. But you know, if it's like,
Speaker 1: hey man, we'll give you two first and maybe a second,
Speaker 1: I'm good. Like I'm good with what we got here,
Speaker 1: And in terms of my evaluation, this is something that
Speaker 1: I would probably be reluctant to do at this point
Speaker 1: because I think all three of those guys are pretty
Speaker 1: good football players. At the top Watch three Caleb Williams,
Speaker 1: Drake May, and Jane Daniels I think are pretty good.
Speaker 1: And again they all have their warts, they all have
Speaker 1: their issues, but I think the baseline talent is there
Speaker 1: for them. So I would say, like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to miss that opportunity unless the packaging well.
Speaker 4: And you have the trust your evaluation right now, say you,
Speaker 4: for whatever reason you don't like any of those three,
Speaker 4: and you say, we actually think bo Nix is our guy.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, if you feel like you can
Speaker 4: get him at like eight or ten or something like that.
Speaker 4: Then you're like, yeah, sure, we'll take We'll take what
Speaker 4: we think is our franchise guy who we actually have
Speaker 4: to hire a better evaluation on, and we're going to
Speaker 4: get some extra extra.
Speaker 3: Picks on this.
Speaker 4: You have you, he can eat it too in that case.
Speaker 4: But that doesn't very happen all that often.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think there's a reason, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone says trust your evaluation. I also think you need
Speaker 1: to kind of you need to be aware of the consensus.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is like if you
Speaker 1: are like Jack Jason and I we do our big
Speaker 1: draft board and we were rating defensive ends the other
Speaker 1: day and we go through and we have like a
Speaker 1: little conversation about it. I'm not that high on Brasswall,
Speaker 1: the defensive end from Alabama, Like, I'm not that high
Speaker 1: on him, but I'm not My Hubers isn't such that
Speaker 1: I'm going to ignore what everybody else thinks. And everyone
Speaker 1: else has him as like the sixth guy. He's like
Speaker 1: my tenth guy. So I've kind of got him in
Speaker 1: red basically saying I got to watch this until I
Speaker 1: see something that makes me understand why he's the sixth guy.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, what I.
Speaker 4: Have learned is like it's it's so easy. You can
Speaker 4: outsmart yourself so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, draft process. Yeah, and there's like let's say and
Speaker 1: with him for example, like he's a good football player,
Speaker 1: but like there's something about the athlete that I'm not
Speaker 1: in love with. But that doesn't mean he's not going
Speaker 1: to be a good pro right, And that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: if he's getting the right situation, she's not gonna be
Speaker 1: a football player. So that's where I'm always like, don't
Speaker 1: you can you can be an outlier, you can say
Speaker 1: this guy is my guy. You should always be aware
Speaker 1: of what's going on with the consensus, because when you
Speaker 1: know two hundred people are looking at something like usually
Speaker 1: they you know, it's the same thing like with Wikipedia's
Speaker 1: like a weird example, right, Yeah, Like you tend to
Speaker 1: get the right information on Wikipedia just because like so
Speaker 1: many people are going to the site and viewing it. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm always like, trust your evaluation, yes, but also
Speaker 1: make sure you're aware of what everybody else thinks and
Speaker 1: why they think that. I think is the other thing
Speaker 1: I would point to there. So that's why I think
Speaker 1: with the quarterback conversation. You know, we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about this more in a second, but you get the
Speaker 1: top three guys, and I think that's a pretty significant
Speaker 1: step back. But you are going to be able to
Speaker 1: find a guy somewhere on the internet who says bo
Speaker 1: Nix is my number one quarterback. You're going to be
Speaker 1: able to do that. And I don't agree with that guy,
Speaker 1: but there are guys that feel that way and who
Speaker 1: are very confident that.
Speaker 4: Oh they're always so. So this is the steal of
Speaker 4: the draft, no matter what.
Speaker 2: J McCarthy is flying up draft boards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that makes a little bit. That makes a
Speaker 1: little bit more sense to me. We'll talk about that,
Speaker 1: because you know, Selby's got got some big decisions here
Speaker 1: at eight in this draft we got coming up.
Speaker 2: So well, let's talk about Drake May a little bit
Speaker 2: because our last pod we did a lot of quarterback talk. Sure,
Speaker 2: and it was my favorite part listening back to the podcast.
Speaker 2: But you were talking in the production, meaning how you
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about Jake. Why do you want to
Speaker 2: bring him back up even though we're not going to
Speaker 2: draft him here because he's going to be gone, right,
Speaker 2: we're trading back but yeah, So.
Speaker 1: I think the thing with Drake May is like and
Speaker 1: everyone thinks, like your draft evaluation is done. Like I've
Speaker 1: watched Drake May. I've watched my four or five games
Speaker 1: that I'm done. But I'm always trying to keep going
Speaker 1: on a prospect right Like for example, like because some
Speaker 1: people don't like Jane Daniels, why don't they like him?
Speaker 1: I want to see what they see with regards to that,
Speaker 1: and I want to see what people see when they
Speaker 1: see the very positive in him too. So Drake May
Speaker 1: like PFF for example, and you know Daniel Jeremiah, that's
Speaker 1: their number two quarterback definitively they think that's capable shake May.
Speaker 1: And then there's like a tier Jade Daniels and then
Speaker 1: tier to like bow Nick's or JJ mccarthur whoever. So
Speaker 1: why is that? And so I went and found like
Speaker 1: a best of throws from twenty twenty three, And when
Speaker 1: you watch that, dude's best throws, it is it's amazing.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's high level, big time throws. Guys
Speaker 1: hanging on, I'm moving up in the pocket, delivering over
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. Really, you see an NFL
Speaker 1: player and I think That's the thing about him is like,
Speaker 1: and you said this in the production meeting, it's like,
Speaker 1: what can he or you said this, Jason, what can
Speaker 1: he do? Don't focus on what he can do, don't
Speaker 1: focus on what he can't do. But the quarterback it's
Speaker 1: a little different because when you watch a game of his,
Speaker 1: it's like there's this bad miss or he takes a sack,
Speaker 1: he shit, and you're like, oh, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to point out that his high
Speaker 1: level throws are absolutely fantastic. His ability to extend plays,
Speaker 1: find those guys kind of that that playmaker back there.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not Herbert, it's not Josh Allen, but
Speaker 1: it's a unique skill set that kind of is trending
Speaker 1: in that vein. And I see why people get so
Speaker 1: excited about him based off of those really really high
Speaker 1: level throws. I think that's something that you know, when
Speaker 1: you're doing your evaluations, you should always do is say,
Speaker 1: like people say, don't watch highlights, I think you should
Speaker 1: watch highlights. I think you should watch a highlight. You
Speaker 1: think you should watch a low light. I think you
Speaker 1: should watch games because it helps you kind of flush
Speaker 1: out again that idea of what you can do on
Speaker 1: It's just a reminder to me that this dude is
Speaker 1: uber uber talented and in his own way, and like,
Speaker 1: are there inconsistencies, Yes, but like you said before, everything
Speaker 1: is a projection, but his high his high throws, his
Speaker 1: big time throws are absolutely exquisite and it gets you
Speaker 1: excited for the type of player it could be at
Speaker 1: the next level.
Speaker 4: Well, and I mentioned earlier you can outsmart yourself so
Speaker 4: quickly in the APPLA and you've mentioned how you always
Speaker 4: want to keep watching film on certain players. But at
Speaker 4: some point, is there is there a point in any
Speaker 4: evaluation for any player who we're like, maybe I'm watching
Speaker 4: too much on I'm seeing things that I'm not seeing.
Speaker 1: That's a great question, and I think there is some
Speaker 1: of that, you know, But I think when i'm I
Speaker 1: think when there's when i'm under or on a player
Speaker 1: I want to watch more like so usually when I'm
Speaker 1: watching all twenty two film, I can get a feel
Speaker 1: for the player, like this is not like typing myself up.
Speaker 1: I've fucked of Scott's about this too. You can get
Speaker 1: a feel for a player in about forty snaps, like
Speaker 1: how they move their instincts, and you just watch more
Speaker 1: to kind of make sure you've checked all the boxes.
Speaker 1: So like when I'm really rolling on the combine guys
Speaker 1: and I got the all twenty two, especially the back
Speaker 1: of those guys, I'm like, I get who this guy is,
Speaker 1: and so I don't have to watch a ton of them.
Speaker 1: But with quarterbacks specifically, because again, like Drake made is
Speaker 1: a perfect example. You see him make a throw that
Speaker 1: not many people in the world can make, right, but
Speaker 1: you also see him with bad missus kind of boneheaded mistakes,
Speaker 1: and so it's like, I gotta I want to kind
Speaker 1: of peel back the onion on that guy and say
Speaker 1: who is he? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, what
Speaker 1: kind of guys he It's the same thing with like
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul at the offensive lineman from Houston, like his
Speaker 1: film is not great, exposes his chest, he's not very
Speaker 1: technically sound.
Speaker 4: You see a lot of the frame, you see some
Speaker 4: of the other like the strength. You see this, so
Speaker 4: they gets you really excited.
Speaker 1: Right, So when I first watched him, I gave him,
Speaker 1: like I think I gave him like a fourth round grade,
Speaker 1: fifth round grade. But then you go to the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: guys are talking about him there, you're like, I gotta
Speaker 1: go back and watch him some more. And so then
Speaker 1: when you watch him, you you know, you let the
Speaker 1: player run a little long. You see he's finishing down
Speaker 1: the field, right, and you see that guy who's passionate
Speaker 1: about the game marry that with the frame, and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I kind of understand why people are so high on
Speaker 1: him because I kind of thought he was being lethargic
Speaker 1: or lazy with his technique. I just don't think he's
Speaker 1: been coached very well now, so that that changes my perspective.
Speaker 1: And that's something if I went back to it, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have seen it, you know. And I hadn't gotten
Speaker 1: back to it, I would have seen it. And so
Speaker 1: again that's where it's kind of leaning on the consensus board,
Speaker 1: leaning on that all that other stuff is important because
Speaker 1: I don't see everything. And that's why these guys are
Speaker 1: these scouts here at the building. They're meeting this week,
Speaker 1: meeting last week to kind of make sure they're all
Speaker 1: in the same page with the evaluation. You hear him
Speaker 1: walking around the hall man, they're like, oh man, I'm
Speaker 1: really glad you brought up that point because I hadn't
Speaker 1: thought about that with this player specifically, And that's that's
Speaker 1: why that's why communication and consensus about this process is
Speaker 1: so important, and that's why with quarterbacks specifically, think it's
Speaker 1: important to go back and be like, hey, you know
Speaker 1: what am I seeing here? How do I quantify this?
Speaker 1: And how do I value this? And I think people
Speaker 1: who want to see who look at the high level
Speaker 1: stuff of Drake may are one hundred percent right man,
Speaker 1: because it's really really good. But I'm also like when
Speaker 1: you're trying to when you're trying to like categorize players, right,
Speaker 1: and you say, well, what about Jayden Daniels do I
Speaker 1: like a little bit more? I felt like there was
Speaker 1: a more consistent playmaking ability to his game when you
Speaker 1: watch him week in and week out. But again, that's
Speaker 1: why he's the best player in college football. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, how do you weigh that out?
Speaker 4: So and you know, I kind of put this to
Speaker 4: you earlier, but how much do you value things that
Speaker 4: you can't necessarily coach for things that you can coach?
Speaker 4: And for me, I think I kind of value that
Speaker 4: a little bit more because in a finishing blocks for
Speaker 4: off the line, like with Patrick Paulack that is huge
Speaker 4: and they're giving on all especially like on backside zone
Speaker 4: stuff like that. That play could always that block would
Speaker 4: be the play that kind of set something up. With
Speaker 4: quarterbacks for example, like I was mentioning to you, you
Speaker 4: know the play that Drake may had against pitt or
Speaker 4: he's spining off a defender throwing a touch down the
Speaker 4: end zone, Like that's stuff that you can't normally teach
Speaker 4: like and there's a lot and to me, that gets
Speaker 4: me excited and it shows that he's never going to
Speaker 4: give up on a play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's a I those are
Speaker 1: great points and I think for me, like a good
Speaker 1: example is like defensive backs like tarryon Onnoard for example,
Speaker 1: the dB from Alabama. He's like, he's a guy that
Speaker 1: you're like, he is going to be a good pro.
Speaker 1: Like where his ceiling is it's hard to determine, but
Speaker 1: he's at least going to be a baseline pro. Not
Speaker 1: because he's great in coverage, because he's a very willing
Speaker 1: and aggressive competitive tackler. So I know there's a guy
Speaker 1: who's not afraid of the physical elements of the game.
Speaker 1: He wants to get after it. He's got that, he's
Speaker 1: got that energy and that juice. You see him get up,
Speaker 1: he's fired up. And when you compare that guy to Wiggins,
Speaker 1: the cornerback from Clemson, for example, Wiggins is a much
Speaker 1: better coverage player but is not a passionate tackler. So
Speaker 1: how much do you love the game? And that's where
Speaker 1: you get to it. It's like when you see guy
Speaker 1: and finish on the backside cutoff, You're like, that's that
Speaker 1: extra little bit of juice or a receiver that blocks
Speaker 1: in the run game, because you're really split in hairs, right,
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this receiver class a ton. The
Speaker 1: receivers are excellent in this class. They're fantastic, right, So
Speaker 1: how do I differentiate the guys? And it's the stuff
Speaker 1: that I can't coach, the mindset, the measurables, right, And
Speaker 1: that's where that's what kind of moves guys up and down.
Speaker 1: And so when I see, you know, Ricky Piersaw actually
Speaker 1: crack a linebacker on or run, I'm like that that
Speaker 1: dude's a dude because he runs good routes, he catches
Speaker 1: the ball well, and he's got this extra little bit
Speaker 1: of salt actually a little bit of seasoning. So that's
Speaker 1: a Logan Paulson type of player, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that's the type of stuff And it's
Speaker 1: different for every position. So like with a quarterback, for me,
Speaker 1: it's like, are you going to stand in there when
Speaker 1: the when the pressure's coming, take this hit and deliver
Speaker 1: the football down the field. Like everyone talks about Jade
Speaker 1: Daniels taking big shots. I understand that's a negative, but
Speaker 1: I see a guy who's hyper competitive and wants to
Speaker 1: win football games, and so I want to put I
Speaker 1: want to bet on that guy, and I'm hoping that
Speaker 1: I can reel him back in those certain situations. But
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons when you watch
Speaker 1: him against Missouri, when you watch him against Alabama, when
Speaker 1: you watch him against Florida, like he wants to win
Speaker 1: the game. And sometimes when you're watching watching Jayde Daniel
Speaker 1: or Drake, it's a little bit like, oh the pressure's here,
Speaker 1: I'm a little off balance, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's he's still got that competitive juice.
Speaker 4: But you see the big moments and you have to say,
Speaker 4: you have to you have to ask yourself as you
Speaker 4: know whoever you're the evaluator, is like, how much do
Speaker 4: you think taking those kind of shots on a player
Speaker 4: who can make plays you don't normally see in the NFL?
Speaker 3: Is it worth it over.
Speaker 4: Maybe someone who's not as maybe technically gifted or maybe
Speaker 4: does some of the things you don't necessarily like right
Speaker 4: now because he could develop into something more.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So someone I was talking to a scout the
Speaker 1: other day and this is the most interesting thing. I said, Oh, man,
Speaker 1: I love that this guy we're talking about, some receiver
Speaker 1: does this man and I love that he plays teams.
Speaker 1: And he said important things. Don't overvalue that, right, because
Speaker 1: that that that guy has a floor, a very high floor.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, like if you're picking it high in the draft, right,
Speaker 1: you're chasing ceilings. Right. So I think a great example
Speaker 1: is Johnny Wilson. Like Johnny Wilson is an inconsistent he
Speaker 1: catches the football inconsistently. There's times where he does great stuff,
Speaker 1: he shows a good physicality, but his ceiling is an
Speaker 1: higher than this other player I was talking about, because
Speaker 1: you can't coach six seven with thirty five inch arms,
Speaker 1: Like you can't do it. So like I'm going to
Speaker 1: pick him higher in the drafts, even though he's a
Speaker 1: little bit less consistent than this other football player. Because
Speaker 1: I'm chasing a ceiling. It's like the same thing with
Speaker 1: who are we talking about, Dallas Turner? Right, yeah, Athletically
Speaker 1: his ceiling the addresser from Alabama, his ceiling is so
Speaker 1: much higher athletically than a lot Too, Lot Too. Even
Speaker 1: though a lot Too lat Tos floor is so much higher,
Speaker 1: so much higher than his, the ceiling is not even close.
Speaker 1: Because you're dealing with a guy who's going to probably
Speaker 1: run a four four four five, hyper explosive, hyper bendy,
Speaker 1: kind of a less polished von Miller. And when you
Speaker 1: get that comp you're like, oh gosh, we got to
Speaker 1: take a shot with that guy. That's why he's at
Speaker 1: eight and a LAT two's at like fifteen. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because you Chase, you do this every year,
Speaker 1: chase ceilings. And I'm not saying that's the right thing
Speaker 1: to do. But ultimately, because you said this, and Jason
Speaker 1: you've said this too, it's a projection business, right, So
Speaker 1: who's going to project the best of the NFL? And
Speaker 1: I want to bet on on some of these things.
Speaker 1: I can't coach on these physical traits as opposed to
Speaker 1: the film.
Speaker 2: So when you look at someone like Drake May, sorry
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, no, sorry, we got we all have
Speaker 1: a place.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's all good. So when you're talking about
Speaker 2: Drake May, right, and it's like or and comparing him
Speaker 2: to Jade and Daniels, like, oh, well, he takes a
Speaker 2: hit because he's competitive, but he's one hundred and ninety pounds, yeah, right, Like,
Speaker 2: so he's not going to put more weight one, So
Speaker 2: you're really betting that we're going to coach this guy
Speaker 2: to slide to control that competitive edge. Or when you
Speaker 2: have Drake May, that dude does rumble around. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he's two twenty, so like he's a little more durable
Speaker 2: when it comes to that. So where do you weigh
Speaker 2: that right where it's like, Okay, this guy just wants
Speaker 2: to go out and ball, right, and we love that,
Speaker 2: but he's got to know who he is versus this
Speaker 2: guy's not gonna do that, but like he's got the
Speaker 2: body to withstand it when he does decide.
Speaker 1: To do it. Yeah, And I think and Zach you
Speaker 1: can probably speak on this too. I think that is
Speaker 1: where having the coach. Having the coach is in place
Speaker 1: to understand the player is so important because like when
Speaker 1: I look at Jade Daniels and again you're trying to
Speaker 1: separate you know there you know six what is that
Speaker 1: saying half dozen of one six whatever? That expression thank you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so like I look at that, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: they're they're really similar. They're really good football players, right,
Speaker 1: but they all have their warts. And so I guess
Speaker 1: for me, is I look at again, it's the ceiling.
Speaker 1: I think if you have a running quarterback, a guy
Speaker 1: that I don't know how fast is gonna run, but
Speaker 1: you know some people have thrown out numbers, people who
Speaker 1: are privy to their training regiments and times they're running
Speaker 1: and training right now, that Jane Daniels might run a
Speaker 1: four three. Like, think about that, Jane Daniels, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: said that might run a four three. And so when
Speaker 1: you think about that, you're like, I want that piece
Speaker 1: in my offense to do that, because think about what
Speaker 1: Michael Vick could do to a defense just with its
Speaker 1: legs right, and think about how that regulates coverages, and
Speaker 1: think about Cliff Kingsbury with uh, you know Kyler Murray, right,
Speaker 1: that's a dynamic piece. Now. Also, Drake May, I like
Speaker 1: the way he rips the football man, especially in like
Speaker 1: big moments, he rips the football. And again we talked
Speaker 1: about the inconsistent with him, but his ceiling is there.
Speaker 1: So it's like basically we're looking at the same pictures,
Speaker 1: got all the same details in there, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to focus on something a little bit different. And the
Speaker 1: other thing that I keep coming back to with Jane
Speaker 1: Daniels is and again, how transferable this is I don't know.
Speaker 1: Or how consistently he can do this, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but he just win his team needed plays. He delivered,
Speaker 1: Like in the big moments against big opponents, he delivered it.
Speaker 1: And there's I think there's value to that too. You know,
Speaker 1: I think he's competitive, I think he's tough. You got
Speaker 1: to kind of reel some of that in. And that's
Speaker 1: not to say Drake May is not that, but I
Speaker 1: just thought there was a more consistent level of excellence
Speaker 1: in those big moments. And again, it's a college football season.
Speaker 1: What's fourteen games, fifteen thirteen games something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not a lot of games. So you can get hot
Speaker 1: for thirteen games and be awesome. Is that transferable? Drake
Speaker 1: May's on for longer, so maybe that's more value there
Speaker 1: or whatever. But that's where it's like, we're looking at
Speaker 1: the same things and I'm gonna poke poke at something different.
Speaker 1: You might say, I hate that he gets hit all
Speaker 1: the time, but I'm like, he's a competitor or Drake May,
Speaker 1: Like I love that he sticks in the pocket and
Speaker 1: does this left handed throw with a guy on him, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't love that decision making, but he's making plays too.
Speaker 1: So it's just like you can look at the same
Speaker 1: thing and come to different conclusions.
Speaker 2: And that's where we go into look at the positives
Speaker 2: over the negatives, right right, we can all look at
Speaker 2: what they don't do, right, well, look at what they
Speaker 2: do do. Like so you could say you could say,
Speaker 2: you could say Jade and Daniels, right, well, he's small,
Speaker 2: he takes too many hits. But you're saying, well, he's
Speaker 2: a playmaker. So that's the way you want to you
Speaker 2: want to veer.
Speaker 1: Right, do it well.
Speaker 4: And I think it comes down to one trusting your
Speaker 4: coaches to do two things, trusting them to put the
Speaker 4: players in the best position to win, and two trusting
Speaker 4: your coaches that help fix, like elevate some of the
Speaker 4: issues that they've had. So you take Jayden Daniel for example,
Speaker 4: Like you say, you one hundred and ninety pounds, but
Speaker 4: like you're gonna say, are you gonna trust him to
Speaker 4: do things that you would ask Drake man to do
Speaker 4: where he who has like forty pounds on him. No,
Speaker 4: you're gonna You're gonna put him in put him in
Speaker 4: a position to You'll let him use athleticis and use
Speaker 4: play making ability. But also hey, like slide, learn how
Speaker 4: to slide? No, man like learn how to learn how
Speaker 4: to maybe avoid hits, learn how to do some of
Speaker 4: these other things. And I mean again, like it's all projection, right,
Speaker 4: So you have to make sure that you're you have
Speaker 4: to make sure that you're you're allowing your players to
Speaker 4: do what they do while also not putting out putting
Speaker 4: them in a position where they can't do some of
Speaker 4: the things, right. I mean, every player has their limitations,
Speaker 4: So you have to figure out what those are, and
Speaker 4: you have to figure out how much it's really worth
Speaker 4: it for you to take a.
Speaker 3: Chance on my guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I got to go back to you know,
Speaker 1: talk about looking at the same picture. Like Drake May
Speaker 1: has all these different throws, right, he's got comebacks, goes
Speaker 1: over the middle, stuff, deep ends, deep digs, extending plays,
Speaker 1: throwing off balance, and then when you look at you know,
Speaker 1: Jane Daniel's big time plays. It's really just like box
Speaker 1: fates box fades to some guys who can absolutely rip it.
Speaker 1: In terms of Brian I'm a junior and Malik neighbors.
Speaker 1: So you're like, is he is he too much of
Speaker 1: a one trick pony? Did the offense insulate them too much?
Speaker 1: But so there's there's pros and cons man, and I
Speaker 1: think it's about kind of ultimately deciding. And that's why
Speaker 1: again I go back to this all the time. Is
Speaker 1: I go back to the interview process that's about to
Speaker 1: take place, and if I hit it off with Drake
Speaker 1: May and I'm Cliff kingsburyman there, I'm like, this is this,
Speaker 1: this guy is a dude. I'm probably gonna draft that guy.
Speaker 1: And that's where that interpersonal relationship becomes so so critical.
Speaker 1: So again I think fans think, oh, it's definitively one
Speaker 1: guy or definitively the other guy. Just remember they've got
Speaker 1: good traits. Man, both of them are excellent football players.
Speaker 1: It's just about kind of narrowing it down and say,
Speaker 1: like we're picking it picking at straws at this point,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's not there's no right answer.
Speaker 1: It's just about who's going to fit this team the best.
Speaker 3: And the reverse is like how coachable are these guys?
Speaker 1: Know?
Speaker 3: How will you are they to take coach?
Speaker 4: Because how many times have we seen a player who
Speaker 4: has just phenomenal talent? Yeah, and they have a really
Speaker 4: great rookie year and then they just hit a wall
Speaker 4: and they're just they're willing to say, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 4: to rest them all, Laurels, because what happened last year
Speaker 4: is going to work again this year.
Speaker 3: In surprise it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think back to Robert, you know, and
Speaker 1: like how they had a plan form here, you know,
Speaker 1: how Kyle and Mike had a plan and that plan change,
Speaker 1: you know, partially because of Robert's perspective or whatever. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's it just shows you how important coaching
Speaker 1: is in terms of maximizing talent and how important that
Speaker 1: like that that personality that kid has got to be
Speaker 1: so so important as well to kind of say, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep growing. I'm a student of the game.
Speaker 1: I love football. I'm always hungering and yearning, yearning to
Speaker 1: get better because like you know, when you watch Arizona film,
Speaker 1: for example, Kyler Murray is tremendously gifted physically and athletically,
Speaker 1: but how like what is his drive to be the best?
Speaker 1: You know? And I think that's always coming to question,
Speaker 1: you know, like with the study things in his contract.
Speaker 1: You don't want to have to put that in for
Speaker 1: your guy. And that's where again we're doing talent evaluation
Speaker 1: on this show. That's where the scouting becomes so important.
Speaker 1: That's like when I go talk to the janitor at
Speaker 1: LSU and I'm like, you know, hey, is like, who's
Speaker 1: the last guy building here normally? And it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Jane Dani's last guy. Like that's where you get that
Speaker 1: little bit of extra information. That's why you're on the road,
Speaker 1: you know, three hundred and sixty days out of the year,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because you're trying to peel
Speaker 1: back that onion and say this is who this guy
Speaker 1: really is. I got a funny story. A couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, they were talking about this guy, this offensive
Speaker 1: line but potentially going in the first round. And we're
Speaker 1: talking to a scout and he I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: what do you think about him? He's big, he's physical,
Speaker 1: you know. And then he's like he's not a great
Speaker 1: work and I'm like, oh, that's what people say, but
Speaker 1: I've been hearing that his work ethics improved. It's like
Speaker 1: I stayed and watched the whole practice, acted like I
Speaker 1: left early, came back and watched from the parking lot
Speaker 1: to see if he'd stay after and do extra because
Speaker 1: they said every day he does extra stuff. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting on the roof of the parking lot and dude,
Speaker 1: just he was the first guy off the field, you know,
Speaker 1: and so he's not working. He's not working, and so
Speaker 1: the guy blow and behold that guy falls in the
Speaker 1: draft is a He's an NFL player, but nothing special.
Speaker 1: And that's where that magic of being a scout comes in,
Speaker 1: is like, who of these two guys is different? You know?
Speaker 3: Show you always lots, Yeah, you wouldn't know what even
Speaker 3: you don't think they are.
Speaker 2: All right, we got a smooth search update.
Speaker 1: Okay, what we got?
Speaker 2: All right? He's responded, so he's still on Earth, right,
Speaker 2: he says he's on his way alright, so I'll turn
Speaker 2: the mic on and he'll walk in. When he walks in,
Speaker 2: but Selby, your assistant assistant to the GA.
Speaker 3: We're already we're already passed the clock.
Speaker 2: So here's what we're gonna do. I'm going to try
Speaker 2: install just a little bit for Fred. But what we're
Speaker 2: going to do is we're going to trade with the
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons are at number eight. They desperately need a quarterback.
Speaker 2: The rumors are that they want a quarterback from this draft.
Speaker 2: They're not going to sign a free agent. That's rumors
Speaker 2: as of right now. So we seem to be a
Speaker 2: good trading partner if we decide we want to trade back.
Speaker 2: Obviously they'll get their pick between Daniels or May. We
Speaker 2: just had our conversation on okay, So in this mock draft,
Speaker 2: we are trading back this slot eight, so six uh
Speaker 2: picks back with Atlanta. We're also taking their second round
Speaker 2: pick in this draft, the forty third, and then we're
Speaker 2: going to take some first rounds and second rounds and
Speaker 2: years later. It doesn't matter for this mock draft. For
Speaker 2: this mock draft, we're just moving back six bots spots
Speaker 2: at eight and we're getting an extra second round pick.
Speaker 3: I know, twenty five draft, right, but yeah, but I
Speaker 3: think like that's like it's somewhat realistic.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, I think like when fans are going to
Speaker 1: see this like, oh, well, we got an extra pick
Speaker 1: this year, but it does it's not about this year,
Speaker 1: it's about the sub next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So that's what we're gonna do. Here.
Speaker 2: Here are the rules. This is a mock draft simulator.
Speaker 2: I have no control over it. But we're going to
Speaker 2: assume that Drake, Caleb Jaden, they're all going before pick
Speaker 2: eight here.
Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: I know, we'll see what happened. But we just talked
Speaker 2: about them a lot, yea. So it's to give other
Speaker 2: guys an opportunity to get some get some shine.
Speaker 3: The evaluation wasn't great on those players in this draft whatever.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna assume that they're gone. So if they
Speaker 2: pop up for whatever reason, they're gone. The other rule
Speaker 2: is you can't pick the same person, right, so if
Speaker 2: they were on the same board, we did that last time. Uh,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna see what two different drafts look like here.
Speaker 2: All right, so I'm gonna push start draft.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what happens here, all right, who.
Speaker 2: Wants to go first? We just go oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we can go. We can go over this.
Speaker 3: I went first last time. I feel like it's fair
Speaker 3: for right.
Speaker 1: So who's gone? So Drake May went one, Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: went to to Atlanta. That's nice for them.
Speaker 2: Harrison rom England a doomsday to the Cardinals, leak neighbors
Speaker 2: to the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Cooper de Gene, Dude, Okay, let me just say this,
Speaker 1: so we know, we know Trevor Sikamon who does their
Speaker 1: big board at PFA.
Speaker 2: He loves it.
Speaker 1: He loves Cooper Dejeen. The league is not as hot
Speaker 1: on him.
Speaker 2: Mock draft simulators. You gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: No, but he's but he's a great football player. But
Speaker 1: I just wanted to point that out. So I guess
Speaker 1: I'll go first. So in this, in this mock, I
Speaker 1: am choosing to stay here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what are you're assuming that we're either going
Speaker 2: to stick with a quarterback with or Rosser, which is
Speaker 2: potentially Sam House, right, or you're signing somebody like a
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield something like that.
Speaker 1: I guess we could trade for Jacoby Bank. Yeah, Jacoby
Speaker 1: Backer fields potentially, but obviously, but.
Speaker 2: If we traded for Fields and we lose one of
Speaker 2: the second round.
Speaker 3: Going to Ruin, You guys have a plan.
Speaker 1: Our quarterback plan is that we're going to accru cur
Speaker 1: crew draft capital. We're going to sit with Stam Howe
Speaker 1: and maybe get our guy next year.
Speaker 2: But this, Shelby, you're going to draft a quarterback In
Speaker 2: this you're acting as if you need one. I would think, yeah, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: So I know, I know we don't want to go
Speaker 1: over the board, but just to kind of give fans
Speaker 1: an idea of people that are available, Brock Bowers, Nate
Speaker 1: the tight end from Georgia, Nate Wiggins, the cornerback from Clenson,
Speaker 1: Olufushanu the tack from Penn State, awesome football player, Telisi Fuaga,
Speaker 1: awesome offensive tackle from Morgan State, Byron Murphy, interior defensive
Speaker 1: line from Texas. And then Quinya Mitchell, the quarterback from Toledo.
Speaker 1: So when I look at this, I say, this is
Speaker 1: a perfect example of where you go either best player
Speaker 1: available right or you try to fill a need. So
Speaker 1: I look at this, and I say, edge Rusher is
Speaker 1: an opportunity here, right, Dallas Turner here at eight would
Speaker 1: fill a need for this team. And Dallas Turner, like
Speaker 1: we've talked about him a little bit already, is a
Speaker 1: really good football player, a guy that has tremendous athletic upside,
Speaker 1: but is not the best player on the board in
Speaker 1: terms of migrating system right now, I would probably have
Speaker 1: Brock Bowers, Olufushanu, and probably Talisi Fuaga ahead of those guys.
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of picking from that pool of people.
Speaker 1: And so do you want a dynamic playmaker in Brock Bowers?
Speaker 1: And I texted you this this weekend, Jason, right, I said,
Speaker 1: think of Brock Bawers not as a tight end for
Speaker 1: fans at home, he is a receiver. And so this
Speaker 1: is honestly where I take him. If I have him
Speaker 1: as an evaluated as a receiver, I would take him
Speaker 1: right after Malik Neighbors, Right, he would be my next receiver.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? What I'm saying to fans at
Speaker 1: homes actually makes sense? Yet, Like he's he's not a
Speaker 1: true inline.
Speaker 3: Guy, kind of like kind of cowpits in a sort
Speaker 3: of one.
Speaker 1: But Kyle Pitts. I think, like when you do the
Speaker 1: evaluation on Kyle Pitts, like he was good in line
Speaker 1: because he's big. He's like six six, he's got long arms,
Speaker 1: he got thirty four inch arms, Like he can compete
Speaker 1: with the defensive end. Brock Bauers is not that guy.
Speaker 1: He's six four. I think he's two thirty five to
Speaker 1: forty is the number we had him. Was a two
Speaker 1: forty something like that. So not like a huge man,
Speaker 1: not like a super long guy. But he runs excellent
Speaker 1: routes and he creates great separation. He's great after the catch.
Speaker 1: Like my comp for him, because you love comps, is
Speaker 1: George Kittle if he wasn't into wrestling, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So he's like he's this great mover in space,
Speaker 1: catches the football really well. But at the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage he wants to do it, but he just doesn't
Speaker 1: have all those techniques. Doesn't have that like you know
Speaker 1: cold Sotol's center that like is locked in for that
Speaker 1: defensive end, you know what I'm saying. So I think
Speaker 1: if you have a vision for this player, he could
Speaker 1: be a dynamic Like at Georgia, they had a wonderful
Speaker 1: vision for him. He's playing running back, he's playing receiver,
Speaker 1: he's outside, he's in motion, he's you know, he does
Speaker 1: he's part of the RPO game. So if you have
Speaker 1: a vision for this guy, take him here, right. But
Speaker 1: in terms of value, I look at Olufashano and I
Speaker 1: think that guy could be special, right. He could be
Speaker 1: special as an offensive lineman. And then you know he's
Speaker 1: the attack of from Penn State. His feet moves so well.
Speaker 1: He's this straight athlete. Again, the thing you worry about
Speaker 1: with him, and I think a lot of people have
Speaker 1: Talisi Fiuaga, the guy from Oregon State, above him, because
Speaker 1: Talise fl Wogga is like a brick. He's got this
Speaker 1: great anchor, he's got this great physicality, but a little stiff.
Speaker 1: So do you bet on the upside which I tend
Speaker 1: to bet on upside athletic upside with Olufashanu and you
Speaker 1: got Dallas Turner. So if I had to make a
Speaker 1: pick here, this is tough for me because I got
Speaker 1: I'm in like a candy shop right now, and I
Speaker 1: want to take a tight end because I think he's
Speaker 1: a he's a really good football player. But do you
Speaker 1: feel in need, and that would be my question. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask for my consultant GM to kind
Speaker 1: of chime in here, Jason, what we got?
Speaker 2: All right? So here's the thing about taking a tight
Speaker 2: end this early.
Speaker 1: Okay, but he's not a tight end. He's not a
Speaker 1: true tight end.
Speaker 2: I understand that. But he's labeled as a tight end.
Speaker 2: I got you, all right. So if you take him
Speaker 2: around here, the money the money money, right, So you're
Speaker 2: saving maybe only four million dollars between going out and
Speaker 2: getting a top tier tight ended free agency by drafting
Speaker 2: one in this area, Whereas if you draft a wide
Speaker 2: receiver here for a dynamic pass catcher, you're going to
Speaker 2: save sixteen million dollars about. So brock Bowers has to
Speaker 2: be that much better than whoever the next receiver is
Speaker 2: on this list that you would want to take just
Speaker 2: for the money. I'm gonna pull up the receivers real quick.
Speaker 2: So you got to say, for Brian Thomas Junior, he's
Speaker 2: worth eight million.
Speaker 1: Dollars, Troy Franklin or Alad McCarty exact exactly right.
Speaker 2: So that's why I think brock Bowers is going to
Speaker 2: slide in the in the.
Speaker 1: Draft from the money not for talent, but for money. Reason.
Speaker 2: Now, when you look at it, tackles this is good money,
Speaker 2: is getting good money. So I'm one with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if I was gonna this is tough for
Speaker 1: me because I think Dallas Turner, I've told you, is
Speaker 1: an athletic projection. Same thing with Olufano. But oluf has
Speaker 1: been more productive as a pass protector. And I just
Speaker 1: think you get him with the right guy in the
Speaker 1: right system, Like that's that dude. So this might be
Speaker 1: a tick high for him, But I really like him,
Speaker 1: and so I would probably say it's If it's I'd
Speaker 1: probably go that way. I'd probably go Olufano here at
Speaker 1: eight for the Washington commander.
Speaker 4: And he fits the bill one hundred percent just watching him.
Speaker 4: I mean you mentioned his footwork. Yeah, so much about
Speaker 4: offensive line play is decided by your footwork, and he
Speaker 4: has it down to a t. He's so good at it,
Speaker 4: He's so quick, his hands are really really strong. I
Speaker 4: think he's I mean andy. Plus he does feel a
Speaker 4: need for Washington. I mean they've had issues on the
Speaker 4: off the line for long. Diw I know sacks aren't
Speaker 4: all all off the line issue, but it's not not
Speaker 4: an issue either, so, and I think he would be
Speaker 4: the highest offensive lineman drafted by Washington wins Sheriff's five.
Speaker 3: Oh Sheriff five and five, it's the top five pick.
Speaker 1: So let me just say this too. So this is
Speaker 1: a really good example. So tealisifu Waga, the tackle from
Speaker 1: Oregon I had. I like his college film better. And
Speaker 1: this is where that projection thing comes. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: like his college film better. I think he's a better
Speaker 1: run blocker. I think he's got a better anchor against
Speaker 1: the ball. But I think he's kind of what he is.
Speaker 1: I think his floor is very high. I think he
Speaker 1: can easily moved to guard. He's a tough, nasty son
Speaker 1: of a gun. But if you want to hit a
Speaker 1: home run with this pick, it's for Shana for the
Speaker 1: footwork and the athleticism.
Speaker 4: And there's so many tackles in college that you can
Speaker 4: just say, oh, he's just going to go to guard. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like but you there's I feel like it's very rare,
Speaker 4: especially now, to find a guy at left tackle in
Speaker 4: college game. You're like, that is an NFL left tackle
Speaker 4: one hundred percent. And I think Oliver Shawn is absolutely
Speaker 4: that guy.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's one hundred percent, because
Speaker 1: again there's a strength issue there, but he's also twenty.
Speaker 1: He's like young, yeah, and so like you, hoping that
Speaker 1: he gets a little bit strong. The other thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, Jason before we moved on from
Speaker 1: this pick was there's a lot of tackles in this class.
Speaker 1: Do we want to get our edge here and kind
Speaker 1: of shore that up because we're not gonna have a
Speaker 1: shot at dubtas you know, like a Dallas Turner a
Speaker 1: lot too lot to with Jared Vers, like those guys
Speaker 1: will be gone.
Speaker 2: No we're not. But with all the picks, we're gonna
Speaker 2: have top second round. I think you're gonna find good
Speaker 2: talent back there for the edge rushers. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're just real quickly, we don't have to say names,
Speaker 2: if you're just real quickly looking ahead. Let's say the
Speaker 2: line's drawn somewhere in here.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, our line is Chris Braswell, some pretty darn
Speaker 1: good names. Okay, Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you,
Speaker 1: all right. Cool. Yeah, So I think the tackles where
Speaker 1: we're gonna go Alofashanu and I feel after talking through it,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how the role room's gonna go too, Right,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have guys that are higher on certain guys.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about it a little bit and
Speaker 1: come to a consensus.
Speaker 2: I want to protect Sam Howe or whoever Ba.
Speaker 1: Who's ever back there. But he's a good football player,
Speaker 1: gonna be a cornerstone for a while, a little bit
Speaker 1: a little bit green in terms of strength. But the
Speaker 1: feed man can't coach those feet, can't coach that athleticism.
Speaker 2: So all right, Selby, you're on the clock.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: So obviously I do not have the luxury of GOV
Speaker 4: deciding to go with the other options at quarterback and
Speaker 4: the at least I think, let's see, we have Drake
Speaker 4: may Kay Williams off the board a quarterback, good quarterback there.
Speaker 4: So Dan Danils is on there, and I think in
Speaker 4: the real world, I think he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna go a lot higher than Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: I think New York would for sure take Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think everyone kind of agrees.
Speaker 4: Outside of those three guys, there's a line you can
Speaker 4: draw there, and I think you've got Bo Nicks, JJ McCarthy,
Speaker 4: Michael Pennix Junior is down there a little bit, a
Speaker 4: little bit more, then you've got the other guys down
Speaker 4: there for me.
Speaker 1: So for Zach, let me just take this off saw
Speaker 1: all of your fans home. We would if this happened
Speaker 1: at eight, Zach would for sure draft Jayan Daniels.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, just to be clear, But it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That's not really Yeah, but we're not gonna do that
Speaker 1: right now because you're.
Speaker 3: Telling me you're gonna you're gonna get be Jadan Daniels
Speaker 3: and another.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not moving teams aren't moving up like this
Speaker 2: to not take Gene Yeah, to take Cooper or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's not happening.
Speaker 3: No disrefect to Cooper.
Speaker 1: No, he's a great football player, and he's a guy
Speaker 1: that I'm like if he's there when we're picking at
Speaker 1: thirty six. But I'm doing a backflip because I think
Speaker 1: he's that good of a football he's a first round player.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a top ten guy.
Speaker 2: He's also not a quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's a great point.
Speaker 4: So for me, it really comes down to two positions
Speaker 4: or two players.
Speaker 3: Bo Nicks and j D. McCarthy.
Speaker 4: I feel, you know, for me, I've told you I'm
Speaker 4: an Auburn fan, must of my chagrin of the last
Speaker 4: few years, and I remember seeing bo Nicks as he
Speaker 4: can't his freshman year beat Alabama, looked great, dynamic runner.
Speaker 4: As you got into his career at Auburn, it seemed
Speaker 4: like that was all he was. And they transfers to
Speaker 4: Oregon and all of a sudden he has his year
Speaker 4: where he's just exploded.
Speaker 3: Now, of course you have to you.
Speaker 4: Have to remember he's a lot older than a lot
Speaker 4: of the other quarterbacks now and he's so he's got
Speaker 4: a lot more snaps, He's got a lot more experienced,
Speaker 4: something that I value out of my quarterbacks. I'd like
Speaker 4: to have as many snats as possible, especially starting snaps.
Speaker 4: But you know, for him, and I'll look at him,
Speaker 4: and he does a lot of good stuff. I mean,
Speaker 4: he had the least turnover wheth he plays, and he
Speaker 4: was he had a great year at Oregon, absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 4: It's just about who is he. Is he the Auburn
Speaker 4: bon Knicks or is the Oregon b And my biggest
Speaker 4: question about Bo Nicks is exactly that, because he's not
Speaker 4: gonna have the Oregon offense in the NFL and I
Speaker 4: looked a lot of his throws, a lot of his
Speaker 4: receivers are really open, and I'm well, look, that's not
Speaker 4: gonna be open in the NFL.
Speaker 3: That's not gonna be open.
Speaker 1: He's still Detroy Franklin, who is going to be a
Speaker 1: first round ride receiver from Oregon. He's six three hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty five pounds, can absolutely fly and the and
Speaker 1: your other point is like a lot of RPO, a
Speaker 1: lot of screening, a lot of quick game stuff underneath it.
Speaker 1: He does have a very profile in terms of what
Speaker 1: he's throwing with the offense is very support of his
Speaker 1: skill set.
Speaker 4: Well, and that does kind of make me feel good
Speaker 4: if I'm going bow knicks, because you look at Cliff Kingsbury,
Speaker 4: you look at the like like a lot of the
Speaker 4: coaches that Washington has put around this potential quarterback, a
Speaker 4: lot of quarterback friendly guys who have helped elevate quarterbacks
Speaker 4: in their career, whether it's Brian Johnson, you know, whether
Speaker 4: it's Tavita who had did really well. But establishing your
Speaker 4: relationship with saying how Cliff Kingsbury, So that makes me
Speaker 4: feel good about him. On JJ McCarthy, on the other hand,
Speaker 4: doesn't have the stass, don't really fly off the page
Speaker 4: as well as bow Nick stud Bo Nicks, but you
Speaker 4: see some stuff where it's like, Okay, the potential for
Speaker 4: him to is really there if you can surround him
Speaker 4: with the right guys and you give him an offense
Speaker 4: that maybe doesn't that you don't have to put all
Speaker 4: the responsibility on him right then and there and let
Speaker 4: him kind of grow into something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think JJ McCarthy is probably the one of
Speaker 1: the most interesting prospects in this entire draft because like
Speaker 1: when you again when you go watch his high lights,
Speaker 1: NFL throws all over the map, you know, the fifteen
Speaker 1: yard comeback, the deep post, like the over over the
Speaker 1: middle of field. He doesn't layer throws super well. But
Speaker 1: in terms of like just saying NFL arm, NFL athleticism,
Speaker 1: NFL size, like, dude's got it right, He's got it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why you're seeing kind of this
Speaker 1: big push from people in the scouting community. This is
Speaker 1: an NFL medias said, with the scouting community saying JJ
Speaker 1: McCarthy will be that fourth quarterback because there's all this
Speaker 1: allure around that kind of bad word which is potential
Speaker 1: here with him, like his ceiling is so much higher, right.
Speaker 1: He's also I think a great junctaposition about Nicks because
Speaker 1: he's so much younger. I think he's twenty something like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty one, so he's a little years yeah, three years younger,
Speaker 1: and people like, oh my gosh, he's going to develop.
Speaker 1: He's in this kind of pro style offense already up
Speaker 1: there at Michigan. But to your point, like I think
Speaker 1: he only had like one hundred and fifty throws this year,
Speaker 1: like something, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 4: He never threw three thousand yards in a season in mission.
Speaker 2: So how much do you blame that when just Michigan,
Speaker 2: I mean they won a national championship. They ran the
Speaker 2: ball and they played good defense. They didn't ask him
Speaker 2: to throw.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's like that's that's what the offense was.
Speaker 1: So I don't really knock him for it. The problem
Speaker 1: is it just makes the evaluation way really tough. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's like what can he do? Like how does
Speaker 1: he do this? Like it's crazy Like when you watch Pennix,
Speaker 1: for example, I think he threw he had three consecutive
Speaker 1: games where he threw for he threw over forty times
Speaker 1: and I think to get the same number of throws
Speaker 1: you had to go through like fifteen fifteen games, no
Speaker 1: ten games from JJ McCarthy. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: it just is so much harder. The situations are different.
Speaker 1: You don't get to see him on bad throw down
Speaker 1: situations as much. They don't leverage him the same way.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I heard coaches talking about
Speaker 1: I've watched every single throw from his college career just
Speaker 1: to try to get a feel for who he is.
Speaker 1: You know, when they say, oh, look at that TCU
Speaker 1: game last year, we had to throw the ball ation.
Speaker 1: You see that NFL ability, but it just makes the
Speaker 1: projection harder. And so I think like part of it
Speaker 1: is like there's like that mystery box element too, and
Speaker 1: uh and like they don't really know, but you see
Speaker 1: the the arm talent, you see the athleticism. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna run a four or five, big kid, strong kid.
Speaker 1: So if this was the NFL doing this, there's no
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind. That not no doubt, but I
Speaker 1: feel very confident in saying J. J. McCarthy would be
Speaker 1: the next quarterback taken. It just depends on what Zach's
Speaker 1: gonna do here well.
Speaker 4: And you could argue that both of them were kind
Speaker 4: of mystery box playoffs in some ways. But I mean,
Speaker 4: for me, what makes me feel better is the starting experience,
Speaker 4: the amount of times you're able to drop back. And
Speaker 4: I think Bonix to me kind of fists apart physically
Speaker 4: a little bit more than than J. D.
Speaker 3: McCarthy does.
Speaker 1: And plus I mean he's six two two ten and
Speaker 1: I think JJ McCarthy's six three two ten, Like they're
Speaker 1: very similar in to the stature.
Speaker 4: I think, sure, but I don't know. I just to
Speaker 4: me it feels like Bonix is a little bit more
Speaker 4: thickly made. I think, right, yeah, And I think when
Speaker 4: we talked about.
Speaker 3: The big playability with Jane Danels and drap may, I
Speaker 3: see some of that with bow Knicks even seeking.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I think, to me, I think he's the third.
Speaker 1: Quarter. This is and again this is a conversation we'd
Speaker 1: have because I'd say, I think J. J. McCarthy has
Speaker 1: a higher ceiling. But if Zach's got to work with
Speaker 1: him every single day, you know, like I want Zach
Speaker 1: to pick the guy he wants.
Speaker 4: To pick, yep, And I think trust him. The coaches
Speaker 4: trusting them to do what they can to put him
Speaker 4: in the best position.
Speaker 1: We're going to go a bow knicks. But I would
Speaker 1: say this too, and people say, why why not? Michael
Speaker 1: Pennox in this conversation, Michael Penix had a great college career.
Speaker 1: He did not a lot of throws in that offense
Speaker 1: that are different, a lot of stuff down the field,
Speaker 1: big arm, ability to push the ball down the field,
Speaker 1: which you love. Strictly a pocket passer, which is kind
Speaker 1: of crazy to say, because I think people think of
Speaker 1: him as like a better athlete when you watch.
Speaker 3: When he does run, it's okay, I wouldn't say, but he.
Speaker 1: That's like a that's like a like literally a last
Speaker 1: resort for him. Like J. J. McCarthy runs more than him,
Speaker 1: you know, And so he's not that guy. He's a
Speaker 1: down on the field, Like look at his receivers, like
Speaker 1: look at o'doonza, look at Polk. Both those guys are
Speaker 1: great contested catch guys, and he put the ball on
Speaker 1: the money and he made them better football players.
Speaker 4: But that's like his game, and he's and he's got
Speaker 4: a massive arm, Like you said, I feel like sometime
Speaker 4: he relies on his arm too much. Which is a
Speaker 4: problem that a lot of quarterbacks a big arms have.
Speaker 4: The mechanics aren't really there at the footwork whenever he's
Speaker 4: starting to throw. He didn't look. He just slings it
Speaker 4: out there. He didn't like step into his throat a
Speaker 4: little bit to me. And I know that, you know,
Speaker 4: go back to trutch in the coaches. I know you
Speaker 4: would you would hope that that develops and pick gets fixed,
Speaker 4: but that we've seen there's a lot evidence that that
Speaker 4: does not always happen with with quarterbacks and big.
Speaker 1: Arms, and also with him too, there's a huge medical concern.
Speaker 1: You think he said like yeap two or three acls,
Speaker 1: he's got a back injury, and so I think he
Speaker 1: might be even like a red candidate, so like someone
Speaker 1: that has a non draftable grade for a lot of
Speaker 1: teams because of his medical history. And again the combine
Speaker 1: and the medical will be huge for him. But and
Speaker 1: then to just kind of played Devil's advocate a little
Speaker 1: bit just to kind of flush us out. I think
Speaker 1: in Kingsbury's offense, when you watch him in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one with Kyler Murray, a lot of their quick game
Speaker 1: explosives were on deep balls, you know, so maybe they
Speaker 1: look at him and they say, he's actually fits what
Speaker 1: we want to do a little bit better. I don't
Speaker 1: I think this is a correct ranking. I think J. J. McCarthy,
Speaker 1: Bonis and Michael Penick Junior are kind of the order.
Speaker 1: And I do think that Bonicks and JJ McCarthy are
Speaker 1: closer than Michael Penix. And also I wanted to point
Speaker 1: out that the two players were talking about. J. J.
Speaker 1: McCarthy and Boonicks are thirtieth and thirty ninth or thirty yeah,
Speaker 1: thirty six on the big board for PFF. I think
Speaker 1: this is just a great example of how quarterbacks, because
Speaker 1: of the value the position, just get pushed up so
Speaker 1: dramatically because I don't think anyone would batny if you
Speaker 1: picked one of these guys here, even though they might
Speaker 1: not be, you know, the eighth guy on her Yeah, correct, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Pennix reminds me of like a lefty, little bit shorter
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, I mean that's what I see out
Speaker 1: of him.
Speaker 2: Could be wrong there, but like you want a team
Speaker 2: that's good around him. I don't think he's going to
Speaker 2: be your playmaker like other other quarterbacks could be. That
Speaker 2: you see in the McCarthy and the Bonnicks where they
Speaker 2: can make plays happen for you with their legs and
Speaker 2: their athleticism.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. So I don't think that's a
Speaker 1: bad pick, but you know, a lot of a lot.
Speaker 2: Of work to do there, all right, going to the
Speaker 2: second round.
Speaker 1: Just ripping through this mocks draft.
Speaker 2: Smooth search is still.
Speaker 1: On, still on. Oh my gosh, look at look at this, Jason,
Speaker 1: Look at this Jack Jason JJ McCarthy on an epic
Speaker 1: slide to the Washington Commanders at thirty six. Overall, I mean, gosh,
Speaker 1: that feels like the way we got to go. Unless
Speaker 1: there's a really good edge available. We yeah, less there's
Speaker 1: really good edgevailable let's see, but like that that would
Speaker 1: be fantastic.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, we have our quarterback. We made
Speaker 2: that decision before going into this. We're going edge here,
Speaker 2: all right, Look run down the edges because there are.
Speaker 1: Some really, yeah, really good edges here. So a de
Speaker 1: size from Penn State. Who is the guy who plays
Speaker 1: opposite of Chop Robinson. A guy had a great senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: really twitchy, really twitchy, really long, little green, but a
Speaker 1: guy that you're like, that's a piece you could build around. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Chop Robinson is a guy that everybody knows probably probably
Speaker 1: the most explosive edge in the class. Does not mean
Speaker 1: he's the best edge in the class. He's very fast,
Speaker 1: very explosive, very technically raw. A lot of games where
Speaker 1: he's just completely erased and a lot of games where
Speaker 1: he just comes up and is making excellent football player.
Speaker 2: You are one hundred percent betting on coaching.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And then maybe my favorite player, Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe my favorite player is Darius Robinson, the Edge for Missouri.
Speaker 1: Like I just I love his film. He's he's a
Speaker 1: huge man. He's six ' five, he's two ninety. He
Speaker 1: can play inside, he can play outside. He plays the
Speaker 1: game with the with the requisite amount of violence in
Speaker 1: his heart. Absolutely, and I respect the hell out of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Remember when I remember when there talking about running
Speaker 3: hit guys. That's a running hit.
Speaker 1: Guy, my gosh. And he's got a little edge to
Speaker 1: him like he's and at the Senior Bowl dominant and
Speaker 1: then you and the thing is, like you see that
Speaker 1: on film, Like I had a I had like a
Speaker 1: low second round great on him before the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: because his hands are just so damn heavy and his
Speaker 1: head is so damn hard, and so he's a guy
Speaker 1: that I really like. And then the guy after him, Jason,
Speaker 1: let's see what we gotta go do one more because
Speaker 1: I think he's an excellent football player too. Jonathan ellis
Speaker 1: one of the kind of jo Jonah sorry, one of
Speaker 1: the sneaky best pass rushers in the draft, really small guy.
Speaker 1: And then Brailn tries. So lots of really good edge
Speaker 1: rushers there. So, Jason, you were one hundred percent right, man,
Speaker 1: A lot of edges fell to us in this position.
Speaker 1: Feeling pretty good about that if we need to make
Speaker 1: a pick there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking. I'm just looking through other positions because
Speaker 2: there are so many good edge rushers and we have
Speaker 2: three picks here in the next seven that maybe if
Speaker 2: we're thin at another position, we can go ahead and
Speaker 2: grab that player there and still feel confident in the
Speaker 2: next the next selections we have, we're gonna get a
Speaker 2: good edge.
Speaker 1: Well, do you want to draft a quarterback here or no?
Speaker 2: Particularly? Okay, because like just because of the way that
Speaker 2: we're doing this draft and how we set it up, right,
Speaker 2: who knows who he went out and gotten free agents,
Speaker 2: Like we're already we've already solved the quarterback problem in there.
Speaker 1: We we have we have in our team.
Speaker 3: Yes, but if this were to happen, interesting projects down there,
Speaker 3: if you really wanted to like dip in there for
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks, ye, like Joe Milton, like could be like
Speaker 3: a like later on like a third or like a
Speaker 3: day three. Yeah, for y'all makes more sense to go.
Speaker 1: And then there's some good The receivers are excellent, like
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, we already did that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm just looking through.
Speaker 1: But what about corner. Let's safety and corner. Let's see
Speaker 1: that real quick, because again, yeah, nobody that really like
Speaker 1: blows your doors off there, I think I think if
Speaker 1: you're going value here, because again, lat mccogney is available.
Speaker 1: We talked about him last podcast. Excellent football player, really
Speaker 1: just a fantastic football player, and a guy that is
Speaker 1: going to be like an excellent slot really productive. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he fits a need here necessarily for
Speaker 1: this team, especially when there's these edges here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do edge even even if we take two
Speaker 2: edges here in the next seven picks.
Speaker 1: Which we might kind of feels like we might do
Speaker 1: that actually, So for me and you might feel differently,
Speaker 1: Like I just I like a dis Isaac. I just
Speaker 1: think Darius Robinson's floor is high, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: understand why he's ranked forty five on the sport and
Speaker 1: again this is PFF sport. I would probably just.
Speaker 4: This is one of those guys like Tyler Guid and
Speaker 4: Darius Robinson, like go to the guys, like if you're
Speaker 4: watching it, you're praying the heat that they somehow fall
Speaker 4: at thirty six.
Speaker 3: That is like first round caliber town.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, and I saw, I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: think Jason.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he was the winner at the saon one of
Speaker 2: the winners, Like he's standing out, he's going to do.
Speaker 3: My practice Player of the Week or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just a violent I just love it. Man.
Speaker 2: We have the combine coming up. It's gonna crush at
Speaker 2: the court, I hope. So it's gonna looks he's probably
Speaker 2: not gonna be.
Speaker 1: Here, but man, if he is, yeah, we got to
Speaker 1: take him him.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're gonna take Robinson one hundred percent. I'm
Speaker 2: on board with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Darius Robinius from Missouri not chopped yet.
Speaker 3: So not gonna lie kind of hate you in this
Speaker 3: moment because I really.
Speaker 1: Wanted to know, like he's that guy that everyone wants.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, but you know, for me, what quarterback, I
Speaker 4: still feel like I have to need to either protect
Speaker 4: him or give him an explosive weapon.
Speaker 3: Can you go to the off the lineman for look
Speaker 3: at you?
Speaker 1: You can't get away from your roots here?
Speaker 3: No, I can't. I just now see Jordan Morgan is
Speaker 3: the highest rated tackle.
Speaker 1: What do you think about him? By the way, I.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's a tackle.
Speaker 1: I don't think so either.
Speaker 3: And I plus I think he's player though, and I
Speaker 3: think if I'm if I'm drafting GOT thirty six at tackle,
Speaker 3: I want him to be like a day one starter.
Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily sure of the Jordan Morgan is the.
Speaker 4: Day one start because he got so He's got a
Speaker 4: lot of technical issues from that almost are too much
Speaker 4: for me to overlook.
Speaker 1: Can you go to the list, Jason, just for I
Speaker 1: want to ask. I got a question for Selby? Is
Speaker 1: there anybody on here that you think is a Day
Speaker 1: one starter? I have an answer to this, but is
Speaker 1: there anyone on this list? Do you think it's a
Speaker 1: dead listen? So, Jordan Morgan is the tackle guard from Arizona.
Speaker 1: Kingsley sum Mattia is attack from by you. I don't
Speaker 1: need know how to say this guy's name, Karan, I
Speaker 1: do it. I am Amma JUDDI a Majadi from Yale.
Speaker 1: Tackle that was close. Yeah, I like that better? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's better. Blake Fisher attack from under name, Patrick Paul
Speaker 1: attack from Houston. He's any third on this board. And
Speaker 1: Matt Young Cleavis from Pittsburgh, who I think is actually
Speaker 1: a really sneaky I don't know if you've watched him
Speaker 1: at Zach you should definitely watch him. He was hurt
Speaker 1: this year, only played three games, but a really good
Speaker 1: football player. Reminds me of like a more athletic Sam Cosby,
Speaker 1: like might be a guard. But I like his film
Speaker 1: a lot. So again, just to give you a kind
Speaker 1: of the lay of the land.
Speaker 2: There, So what was your question of this?
Speaker 1: Obvio? So any of these of those guys that just
Speaker 1: right off and then obviously Dominic Puney who's right below him,
Speaker 1: is a guy that had an awesome week at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Probably a guard of those six guys, seven guys,
Speaker 1: is any one of those guys a day one starter.
Speaker 1: I have an answer in my mind, But I.
Speaker 4: Personally feel like of all the guys, I mean, I
Speaker 4: do like Patrick Paul a lot, but he's pretty green, man,
Speaker 4: He's pretty green. I feel like Kingsley is probably my
Speaker 4: guy that probably the guy that I would I think
Speaker 4: is the most ready to be to be and I
Speaker 4: like him a lot too.
Speaker 3: I like him a lot better than Jordan Morgan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's also a little bit green, you know,
Speaker 1: worried about the footspeed, a little bit great anchor, great strength,
Speaker 1: great play strength, competitive you steal that stuff might be
Speaker 1: a tick high for him, you know, But I like him.
Speaker 3: He's only twenty one too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's but of the guys for b YU, like
Speaker 1: that's super player, but on but on of this list
Speaker 1: that we just looked at, he's probably the guy that
Speaker 1: I think is the most ready at tackle to start
Speaker 1: day one. And if you want to guard, I think
Speaker 1: Dominic Puney is pretty close.
Speaker 4: But can you like to scroll down for like, yes, okay, cool, cool,
Speaker 4: he's still available. Well, they either's a project guy that
Speaker 4: that I've gotten, got your fair.
Speaker 3: Future, free future.
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do is that you get
Speaker 1: a receiver? I think with dude, I think this is
Speaker 1: a mistake. Sect I think the mistake. Just look at
Speaker 1: look at look at this receiver list. I know we
Speaker 1: did this last time, but it's insane. Ladi mcconchney, Jeremy Burton,
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy, Roman Wilson, h Jalen pok Ricky Pierce Saw,
Speaker 1: Jamie McMillan, de Montes Walker like Johnny Wilson, like Xavier again,
Speaker 1: Holy Count, Jim Murray, Thrash Brandon right, like all those
Speaker 1: guys will be on an NFL team Like yeah, all
Speaker 1: of them productive and productive player like that. How many
Speaker 1: guys we just talked about? Ten guys like yeah?
Speaker 4: But for me, I kind of feel like I have
Speaker 4: have to go with the guy who's going to give
Speaker 4: my quarterback the most opportunity to make explosive plays.
Speaker 1: And the Ladd.
Speaker 3: I feel like the Lad. The Lad is is an option.
Speaker 1: Here, Ladd is an option. Well he so if you
Speaker 1: said Lad, I would be like, awesome, pick yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's if you have not watched Ladd mccogney from Georgia,
Speaker 1: he's like this little white dude, but he is explosive
Speaker 1: as all get out.
Speaker 3: Killed it at the senior you have Julian Edelman.
Speaker 1: No Hunter Renfros I put, but no, but you said
Speaker 1: something that Jason Jesse Jason. We do like dueling descriptions,
Speaker 1: and I'll read Jessic guy Jason's description. You said he
Speaker 1: wants to score every time he touched the football. It
Speaker 1: looks and we talk about competitive hootspa.
Speaker 3: I love that he is great and he did he
Speaker 3: feel like he want almost all. He want a lot.
Speaker 1: Wheneveryone I want except for the kid from Who's the Guy?
Speaker 3: But I know that's not a realistic like but he's but.
Speaker 1: It was like he's moked. It wasn't like he won
Speaker 1: every one on one. It was like I made everyone
Speaker 1: winning silly. Everyone looked like they didn't play football.
Speaker 4: Another guy that like I do think could be potentially
Speaker 4: like could rise a blot of xaberly get just because
Speaker 4: he's a big dude who knows how to make it
Speaker 4: supposed to play and make catches like again like on
Speaker 4: this board, if this is your board, Yeah, I feel
Speaker 4: like he could potentially still be available somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I means roam with the.
Speaker 1: Lad We'll do it so and to your point, Zach,
Speaker 1: like in this offense though, like you need that kind
Speaker 1: of what's the guy's name in Arizona, the shifty kind
Speaker 1: of kid from Purdue the forgetting his name, Leave a
Speaker 1: comment if you remember his name, but like kind of
Speaker 1: that small, explosive four to to two kind of guy.
Speaker 1: I think Lad fits that, Bill, and he gives you
Speaker 1: more juice down the football field.
Speaker 3: So the targets for a quarterback who, like Bo, needs
Speaker 3: to have a.
Speaker 1: Little more develop and talk about in Manda Man situations.
Speaker 1: A guy that you say, hey, Man, go win this,
Speaker 1: go in on a choice, like, I think you love that.
Speaker 1: So were picking again. We're picking again, So you pick
Speaker 1: one Lad, right, Lad?
Speaker 2: Just so just so you know he's not here. We
Speaker 2: picked him last time. Yeah, yeah, but I think we
Speaker 2: go ed judge here.
Speaker 1: So I was going to ask you because to go
Speaker 1: to the linebacker, because the linebacker, because again I'm not
Speaker 1: super high in the linebacker class, but I just saw
Speaker 1: a name that popped up, and Peyton Wilson is probably
Speaker 1: I think Eddrian Cooper has more athletic upside, but Peyton
Speaker 1: Wilson's film is really really good, a lot of injury history.
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you, though, Jason. The more
Speaker 1: I think about it. I think it's just so risky
Speaker 1: to take a linebacker this high and you want to
Speaker 1: go ed, Judge, is what you said, Well, go to
Speaker 1: the onle lineman's Kingsley Sumataie. We already have at tackle.
Speaker 1: I forgot. We drafted what's the name of the first round.
Speaker 2: He's still there. Uti is still there.
Speaker 1: He's a football player. It's pretty good, pretty good football player, Bud.
Speaker 4: This is the benefit of of getting thirty six forty five.
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna get in the teeth of like
Speaker 1: solid football players.
Speaker 2: So here's here's why I'm gonna say edge, Right.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. We do need multiple and we have done.
Speaker 1: This is also before free agency, so we haven't signed.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say edge because it's I think it's
Speaker 2: where we need the most help. I think just in general, right,
Speaker 2: I think that the talent here at edge, with the
Speaker 2: coaching staff that has been brought in, especially with Dan
Speaker 2: Quinn and what they do with defense, what we've seen
Speaker 2: happen in Dallas with their defensive line players, that we
Speaker 2: can take somebody like a Chop Robinson here and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: we already got our Darius Robinson, right, let's get another freak,
Speaker 2: and let's just have two just monsters that are coaching
Speaker 2: staff that we trust. That'd be pretty sick to get
Speaker 2: these guys really going. We've already protected our quarterback, so
Speaker 2: I think we can add another lineman or somebody offensively
Speaker 2: in our pick three spots from now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we just go.
Speaker 2: I think we go with an edge.
Speaker 1: So think about this and let me just I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: I love that pitch, and I think that's a hunt.
Speaker 1: Un Mike, We're i'd I The other thing I'd say
Speaker 1: to that is what if we take also eight overall,
Speaker 1: we we restructure, we get rid of Charles Leno, you know,
Speaker 1: been good for us last couple of years. But and
Speaker 1: then we draft Jordan Morgan to play left guard, Like
Speaker 1: that would be pretty sick because talk about two guys
Speaker 1: that are fantastic athletes, very raw, obviously developmental to a
Speaker 1: certain extent. You mentioned Morgan's technical ability, but I don't
Speaker 1: doubt his athleticism. Same thing with Fashano. So then you
Speaker 1: get Vashanu Morgan, who you know, maybe Stromberg's playing center
Speaker 1: Cosme who was the best guard in the NFL of
Speaker 1: the last eight games, and Wiley, who is a tremendous
Speaker 1: athlete at tackle and a guy that needs to be insulated.
Speaker 1: But now you can insulate him because you've got athletes
Speaker 1: at the other spots. Again, they're young, but for for
Speaker 1: this gets us way better on the offensive line. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I do think the deleaned the need
Speaker 1: of defensive line is a little bit higher though.
Speaker 2: So let me let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we only have two picks left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Are we gonna go offensive line defensive line
Speaker 2: for this in any particular order? Or are we going
Speaker 2: to add a weapon on off?
Speaker 1: We'll go to corner real quick, go to corner safety
Speaker 1: and again, like I think all the good corners went
Speaker 1: in this smock for whatever. Okay, so Mike Sanders still
Speaker 1: is still on the board for Michigan. He plays nickel.
Speaker 1: He's kind of this linebacker safety. He played the star
Speaker 1: position there, so like Fred Water played that. He's not
Speaker 1: that size of player. I think he's six foot one hundred,
Speaker 1: two hundred and ten pounds something like that, but great
Speaker 1: ball skills, great ball production, and just a football player.
Speaker 1: Johnny Man, he's even smaller than I thought. He's five
Speaker 1: to ten, one hundred and five pounds, but a heck
Speaker 1: of a football player. I think a guy like Jayden
Speaker 1: Hicks from Washington State, who on this board is ranked
Speaker 1: as fifty six. He is tall, he's six to three,
Speaker 1: he's two well, his film is awesome. He will he
Speaker 1: hits like a truck. He's got great ball instincts. So again,
Speaker 1: I think the thing. The funny thing about the safety
Speaker 1: cornerback class for this draft is there some guys that
Speaker 1: maybe weren't like the most productive in college, but when
Speaker 1: you turn on the film, you're like, this is a
Speaker 1: good football player, and I think that's gonna push them
Speaker 1: down a little bit. So I think we can wait
Speaker 1: on that. I think the receiver thing, we've talked about
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, like, maybe let's go to tight
Speaker 1: end real quick, see if there's anybody there that we like.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you can get a guy later
Speaker 1: that you feel better about. So I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's either right now. It feels like at this point
Speaker 1: in the draft it makes sense. The positions of value
Speaker 1: are offensive line, edge, which is surprising because no one
Speaker 1: thought that at the beginning, and receiver. Would you agree
Speaker 1: with that? Zech I would say so, yeah, So I
Speaker 1: think it's got to be for one of those three,
Speaker 1: And because the receivers are so deep, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: we punt on that unless you say, like we need
Speaker 1: a guy with an exceptional skill set like Xavier Worthy
Speaker 1: who's probably gonna run like a four to two at
Speaker 1: the combine, like really got some explosive vertical speed. But again,
Speaker 1: I think you can wait and get a guy like
Speaker 1: that later. So to me, it's edge or offensive line,
Speaker 1: and so it's kind of flip a coin here. I'd
Speaker 1: be happy with either one. I do think the rawness
Speaker 1: of Jordan mor Morgan gives me pause. And I think,
Speaker 1: if I really the pitch you gave me about two
Speaker 1: elite edge rushers, young edges, guys that have traits that
Speaker 1: can make each other better, I think you gotta go.
Speaker 1: I think it's chop here, chop chopper dse Isaac your call.
Speaker 1: And again, Joan Ellis is a guy that in terms
Speaker 1: of film, has it all in terms of past rush ability.
Speaker 1: So I think any one of those three guys I'd
Speaker 1: be pretty happy with. Feels like a little bit of
Speaker 1: a reach for Joan Ellis because he's six to two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3: Picks Chop last week.
Speaker 1: We did, so that's okay. Yeah, but but I think
Speaker 1: this is a good point though. So like if they
Speaker 1: drafted a de Isaac, I think thee Isaac's really good
Speaker 1: football player. I think chop ceiling is higher, right, I
Speaker 1: think that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: And I know I came off as a hater on
Speaker 2: Chop last no. No, but the reason I was pushing
Speaker 2: back against him is because he was the only Edge
Speaker 2: that was being drafted.
Speaker 1: This feels like a luxury this, this.
Speaker 2: Is a luxury pick because we have the other we
Speaker 2: have the two Robinsons.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so and I think Darius Darius is I
Speaker 1: got a crazy high floor and maybe the ceiling is
Speaker 1: not super high, but his floor is, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a good pro. Yes, And Chop could be an
Speaker 1: amazing pro and his floor is really low. So it's
Speaker 1: like this big various.
Speaker 2: It's a luxury pick. That's exactly right. So I'm okay
Speaker 2: with Chop here because.
Speaker 1: Of the luxury. I like it. Good. You've convinced me.
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right, And now Zach you've got
Speaker 1: the hard part.
Speaker 3: I'm going to stay in Edge.
Speaker 1: Are you look at you? Yeah? Because field draft.
Speaker 4: Darius Robinson cannot draft drop, which is still crazy that
Speaker 4: he's here at forty.
Speaker 3: Scroll down a little bit. Actually, just take tackles off
Speaker 3: off the board.
Speaker 1: Completely, No, look at you, just Peyton Wilson man linebacker.
Speaker 1: That's not a bad pick, dude, Brail and Trice. Bro
Speaker 1: we missed on Brail and Trice. I think he's way
Speaker 1: too low on the board. By the way, dude, imagine
Speaker 1: getting Brail and Trice And uh, for those of you
Speaker 1: at home, what well Zack's thing. Brillan Trice is six '
Speaker 1: five right sixty four or something like that to seventy Washington,
Speaker 1: big old hoss to seventy four. So him and Darius
Speaker 1: Robinson together just denting face masks and collapsing pockets just
Speaker 1: gives me chills.
Speaker 3: But you don't see him on here, But like, what's
Speaker 3: your what's your hang up on?
Speaker 1: Chris Braswell, Chris Braswell, Oh, he's gone, he got drafted.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just saying, but like what I felt like,
Speaker 1: I felt like there wasn't Everyone's like, Oh, he's this
Speaker 1: elite power guy, and I'm like his power is good,
Speaker 1: but it's not great. Oh he's got some elite athleticism.
Speaker 1: It's like it's good and not great. So he kind
Speaker 1: of is like this guy that's like a good football
Speaker 1: player but doesn't have chops juice or Darius Robinson's power.
Speaker 3: Went with.
Speaker 2: Deezer, Right, we got the bash brothers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, brothers Darius. But but like to your point though,
Speaker 1: like these Isaacs, hec football player.
Speaker 3: I'm looking. I'm looking at a couple of players. Let's
Speaker 3: see Jonah Ellis.
Speaker 2: Go on there.
Speaker 3: I like him and my guy Marshaan Yeah, I say,
Speaker 3: Marshawn nelon Is.
Speaker 4: He's an excellent football player.
Speaker 3: So it's a little more see if I can.
Speaker 1: You're you're liking the deep cut here.
Speaker 3: I like Justin Justin to boyd V although he's like.
Speaker 1: He's like a defensive tacko.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I don't know why he's here. Caesar is
Speaker 4: another guy that I really like to get a really
Speaker 4: good hand.
Speaker 1: On a so Mohammed Karma if you're looking for deep
Speaker 1: cuts guys, Colorado State edge has has the juice.
Speaker 3: A little bit of a into the third round, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Xavier Thomas from Clemson. Again, we're going to go
Speaker 1: injury this year, but later we're.
Speaker 4: Gonna go with Jonas Ellis, Oh, I like that pick,
Speaker 4: not going to have the bash brothers. Like like you,
Speaker 4: I think this is a really like he's a young
Speaker 4: guy on just about to turn twenty one, but like
Speaker 4: got a lot of really good upside and I think
Speaker 4: he I think he could be your guy that could
Speaker 4: really havoc on on pass a long time.
Speaker 1: One of the most devastating spin moves in college, like
Speaker 1: almost Dwight Freeny esque, excellent or hand usage. His uncle
Speaker 1: played in the NFL, his dad played in the NFL.
Speaker 1: His three brothers play in the NFL. Dude's gonna be
Speaker 1: a good pro. The only thing you worry about is
Speaker 1: just his size. Probably has to be a stand up guy.
Speaker 1: But if we know one thing about dan Quinn and
Speaker 1: his defenses, he knows how to You just got us
Speaker 1: guys that can rush the passer. So I think he'd
Speaker 1: have an excellent role here.
Speaker 2: We got a guy like Ryan Kerrigan on this coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, help help him out a little bit. Helped him out, absolutely, Bud, Absolutely, Bud.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Jonny Ellis, Oh man, we're at forty three. God, it's
Speaker 1: so nice having these three picks like stacked up on
Speaker 1: each other. It's really nice. It's nice because who's available
Speaker 1: still Jordan Morgan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we do, which is what I thought
Speaker 2: what happened. I thought it would slit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, because yeah, Jordan Morgan. We just talked
Speaker 1: about him like a guy that can convert to guard.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we really wanted to be insane people,
Speaker 1: we draft Kingsley Suemataia and have him play guard for
Speaker 1: a year and then bump him outside.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we could do.
Speaker 2: That, But what's the reason he not to do that?
Speaker 2: Why Morgan?
Speaker 1: I just think Jordan is gonna be a better He's
Speaker 1: gonna be like he's gonna be like Tyler Smith astually's
Speaker 1: gonna be like a really really good guard, maybe like
Speaker 1: a pro Bowl guard. And I think Kingsley Sue Mattia
Speaker 1: is gonna be like a good tackle and could be
Speaker 1: a good guard. I don't think his ceiling's quite as
Speaker 1: high because again we talked about the thing with Fashano
Speaker 1: in terms of athletic upside, and I think Morgan's gonna
Speaker 1: run well, He's got good decent place strength, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But he's a guy that I think
Speaker 1: has got some mobility. And then obviously Peyton Willis the
Speaker 1: linebacker from or UNC no inc State. Thank you. You know,
Speaker 1: he's still on the board. I like his film a lot,
Speaker 1: but I'm not taking a linebacker this high, I don't think. So.
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing I wanted to talk to you
Speaker 2: about is that we're not gonna go with a wide receiver,
Speaker 2: although I was I was kind of hoping we would, Yeah,
Speaker 2: just just because I feel like we need that extra
Speaker 2: wide receiver with potentially Curtis Samuel not being on this
Speaker 2: round for sure needed though, I think we want a
Speaker 2: bigger guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something that they don't have on the roster, right,
Speaker 1: But I mean, like so also just to kind of
Speaker 1: flush this out too, to your point, like Roman Wilson,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind if they drafted him because dude's going
Speaker 1: to run a four to two at the combine. Jalen
Speaker 1: Polk six ' to two, bigger guy, right, I love him,
Speaker 1: like really competitive at the catch. One got a little doll,
Speaker 1: I got that dog, Yeah, that dog, Ricky Piersaw, I
Speaker 1: mean six to one, but more of a slot guy,
Speaker 1: I would say, right, but a guy that can play outside.
Speaker 1: But it feels like johan Ish, Yes, very Johannah, and
Speaker 1: then DeVante's Walker doesn't catch football at the time, but
Speaker 1: incredibly fast. And then you get into like the big guys,
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson, there's nobody bigger than him.
Speaker 2: So that's that's Johnny Wilson is one of those guys
Speaker 2: that I'm just like, I don't know what to do
Speaker 2: with him, but put him on. But he's mad and
Speaker 2: we're going to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Well, I keep going back to this.
Speaker 2: He's a wide receiver from Florida State, six foot seven,
Speaker 2: two and thirty seven.
Speaker 1: And the craziest thing about him is not even that
Speaker 1: dude has thirty five and a half inch arms.
Speaker 3: That's massive for a Receiver's.
Speaker 1: Like somebody said, who said it? Sikamas said this when
Speaker 1: he did our podcast during the Seaper Bowl. He is
Speaker 1: the Victor wembin Yama of receivers, Like exactly right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like he's just is And I go back to the
Speaker 1: dance presser or the interview did with us where he's like,
Speaker 1: I want guys that I want freaky traits and I
Speaker 1: want to find the best way to use them, and
Speaker 1: like that is they There is nobody nobody has ever
Speaker 1: played the game that looks like that, you know, and
Speaker 1: so that's really enticing. Then obviously Zach mentioned him already,
Speaker 1: Xavier like get like a bigger body down the field
Speaker 1: type guy. So there are guys later like those. So
Speaker 1: they're listed on this board and everyone's gonna have him
Speaker 1: differently at seventy one and seventy two, those are third
Speaker 1: round players.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean trading back like how we did
Speaker 2: and having all these picks at the top of the
Speaker 2: second round, I feel like we were getting in the
Speaker 2: luxury yeah at this point, which is nice. So if
Speaker 2: you have a Terry and you have a Johan, who
Speaker 2: were very confident in why not see what Johnny Wilson
Speaker 2: can do.
Speaker 1: But I think I think this is where like you
Speaker 1: go back to the big board and you say, like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I want I want him on my team, right, but
Speaker 1: I can also get Jordan Morgan, Kingsley, Sue Mattaia, Peyton Wilson,
Speaker 1: who again on this board are a little bit ranked
Speaker 1: a little bit higher. Yeah, and then wait and then
Speaker 1: in the third round, or I could even trade this
Speaker 1: pick back hypothetically if there's someone here that I didn't
Speaker 1: really love, and then I could pick Johnny Wilson exavierly
Speaker 1: get in the third world. That's why it's it's so
Speaker 1: important to understand how the league views players. Yes, so
Speaker 1: you don't I hate the word reach, but it's like
Speaker 1: you want to get the best player you can at
Speaker 1: each spot, and you want guys that you think can
Speaker 1: play football, which I think is important.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, so I think I'm down with the
Speaker 2: offensive lineman. I just wanted to point out those types
Speaker 2: of wide receivers at their year and like I just
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about Johnny.
Speaker 1: Wilson, Yeah, and then go to the also just I know,
Speaker 1: I know the conversation. I know, I know if tight ends,
Speaker 1: like tight end is something people were talking about to me,
Speaker 1: like this is a class like Jared Wiley's not even
Speaker 1: on this list and he might be the best guy
Speaker 1: in this group. You know, Ben Sick, He's it's crazy
Speaker 1: to me, like he's way down at two sixty nine.
Speaker 1: And I just saw on the football.
Speaker 4: Players not necessarily top of day too.
Speaker 1: Well, so what I was gonna say is like on
Speaker 1: this so this is a good example, he's two sixty
Speaker 1: nine on this board. I just saw four mock drafts
Speaker 1: the other day. I think one done by mel Kiper
Speaker 1: one done by h Daniel Jeremiah and he's the third
Speaker 1: guy in their list, right, So like, don't just because
Speaker 1: like you don't recognize like Theo Johnson, he's one fifty seven.
Speaker 1: He's probably the third or fourth best guy in this class,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, there are good football
Speaker 1: players at that position that again will be there in
Speaker 1: that third fourth round range. And you're like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: juiced about those tight ends. So is it Jordan Morgan?
Speaker 1: I like King, I like Kingsley Sumataie a lot. But
Speaker 1: again you'd have to do a little bit of like
Speaker 1: and maybe you feel better about this, Maybe move him
Speaker 1: to guard and then you move Kingsley to right tackle.
Speaker 1: You get bookends for the future. Although I do think
Speaker 1: George I'm gonna go Jordan Morgan. I think his upside
Speaker 1: is a little bit better. I think his upside's a
Speaker 1: little bit better at guard, Zach, Yeah, at at guard.
Speaker 1: I think if you wanted to tackle, obviously Suematia is
Speaker 1: the guy you.
Speaker 2: I think you feel really good about our line going
Speaker 2: in the next season.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, And I think there is an option
Speaker 4: like if Jordan Morgan does develop and there's an opportunity
Speaker 4: for him to move over and tackle.
Speaker 3: You can try him out in training camp see what
Speaker 3: he does.
Speaker 1: Kind of like the same Cosme experiment. I think you
Speaker 1: played tackle in college. You see a good athlete and
Speaker 1: then you let him fail at tackle because that's a
Speaker 1: more valuable position financially, and then you have a really
Speaker 1: good guard like you do with Sam So exactly.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna stay at tackle, are you Finally I'm
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna stay there.
Speaker 3: And I got my.
Speaker 1: Eyes on your guys there though, two guys, two guys, two.
Speaker 4: Guys that that I see more of like as maybe
Speaker 4: short term projects with long term possibly success like it
Speaker 4: look at a King's assume tea obviously I like him
Speaker 4: and Patrick paul As are both kind of green. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but you talk about something that you can't coach. Patrick
Speaker 4: paul is six and thirty three pounds, thirty five inch arms.
Speaker 4: That's a massive dude. And yeah, he is technically raw
Speaker 4: on a lot of areas. But man, if he gets
Speaker 4: his arms on you and he sinks thans of them things,
Speaker 4: it's over.
Speaker 3: It's done. The rep is done. He's won the rep.
Speaker 1: So but also let me just point this out. How
Speaker 1: do you say his name the guy from al Can
Speaker 1: we try that one.
Speaker 3: More time here in.
Speaker 1: A megadj mega DJ. So he's obviously huge projection coming
Speaker 1: from Yale and didn't go to the Senior Bowl for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. Should have probably been there. But a guy
Speaker 1: that has got that athletic juice that you're looking for,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and so well, in much
Speaker 1: the same way that Patrick Paul is a project, and
Speaker 1: I think Patrick Paul is a technical project. I worry
Speaker 1: about his footspeed a little bit. I don't worry about
Speaker 1: that with I'm a DJ, right, Like he's got some ability,
Speaker 1: so I don't like just because so fans no. And
Speaker 1: then Blake Fisher from Notre Dames, the other guy that
Speaker 1: I think is really interesting, played opposite of Joe Alt
Speaker 1: is a really solid college football player. It kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me of like Mike mcglinchy, Like he's not as
Speaker 1: good as Quentin Nelson was, but like, we'll make your
Speaker 1: football team better. He's not super flashy. It's not the
Speaker 1: ceiling of Patrick Paul, not the ceiling of Kingsley Summataia,
Speaker 1: but he like he will, he's a plug and play
Speaker 1: day one guy that'll grade C plus B minus for
Speaker 1: you for ten or eleven years in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I hear all that, and I love the public.
Speaker 1: We just we're just for sure these guys for sure,
Speaker 1: these other guys that are one.
Speaker 4: And I think all of those guys are really good.
Speaker 4: And I think I think you mentioned some of the
Speaker 4: plug and play guys. I think they've they've got that.
Speaker 4: But I'm taking a chance on ceiling here, and I
Speaker 4: just have a feeling that Patrick Paul's ceiling is gonna
Speaker 4: be a lot higher than some of these other guys.
Speaker 1: So what I would say to this, though, this is
Speaker 1: again going back to the big board and understanding not
Speaker 1: only your big board, but the league's big board. If
Speaker 1: this is if this is an analogous, this is PFF.
Speaker 1: So he doesn't know everything, Trevor Sickon hes smart guy
Speaker 1: doesn't know everything. This is eighty three here. So I
Speaker 1: see that eighty three on there, and I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: a third round player, sure, And that doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: outside the realm of possibility. So what I would say is,
Speaker 1: if you like him, don't reach on him. You got
Speaker 1: Sue Mattia right here. You can draft him again. You know, like,
Speaker 1: no one's going to be mad at you for taking
Speaker 1: two offensive linemen back to back, I think. And so
Speaker 1: that's where again like understanding the but if you want them, no,
Speaker 1: get them.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing too, that's the thing like you're
Speaker 2: taking the chance.
Speaker 3: When does Washington pick again, Uh, we don't know there are.
Speaker 1: We have a third round?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it being in the third round. But you're also
Speaker 3: taking a bit of a chance and saying we think
Speaker 3: in the next twenty or so picks that guy still.
Speaker 1: And this is something else I would consider too, is
Speaker 1: like if you like, let's say, for example, Zach, you
Speaker 1: don't like anybody here right, Like you don't you're not
Speaker 1: in love with anybody, but that's your guy, trade back
Speaker 1: ten spots, yeah, and pick up another six or seventh
Speaker 1: round pick. That's where like the cause I know, I
Speaker 1: know there's somebody says, oh, I want Kingsley Suemataia, right,
Speaker 1: so they would trade up with you, right. Or there's
Speaker 1: a guy that would want name your defensive tackle, edge
Speaker 1: rusher guy there, they would trade up for that. So
Speaker 1: I think that ability, Isaac, Yeah, that ability to move
Speaker 1: down with Patrick Paul specifically in this example, again, I
Speaker 1: think this is too low for him. Just to be
Speaker 1: clear with everybody, I think he's like the bottom of
Speaker 1: the second guy because of the upside. But people reach
Speaker 1: on those guys all the time, right, Yeah, So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that this is a bad pick. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: based on the the layering of it. If I really
Speaker 1: believe this and I really understand how the league views
Speaker 1: this player, I could trade down and make my draft
Speaker 1: a little bit better for him.
Speaker 2: So I want to say something real quick, yeap when
Speaker 2: we talk about like reaching or whatnot. Oh yeah, we're
Speaker 2: in the second round, right and we're picking top of
Speaker 2: the second round or Zax picking top of the second round.
Speaker 2: You're saying he's bottom of the second round guy, Well,
Speaker 2: you'd have to trade back, you'd have to hit exactly.
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be exactly.
Speaker 2: But like I'm saying, you're betting that none of those
Speaker 2: teams that you trade behind are gonna want Patrick Paul
Speaker 2: and you have to find a trade partner to do.
Speaker 2: You can't just say, oh, I want to trade and
Speaker 2: like it happens, You've got to.
Speaker 1: Make Another thing I put to is like this is
Speaker 1: why I tier players, right, Like I tier. All my
Speaker 1: guys instead of doing a big but I do a
Speaker 1: big board, but I also do a horizontal board, so
Speaker 1: I cross position. And this is this keeps you from
Speaker 1: doing something like reaching for a guy like Patrick Paul
Speaker 1: and falling in love with traits, right, because if you've
Speaker 1: tiered them out right, and you say, Patrick Paul, is
Speaker 1: I have him below, Kingsley, Suamataiah, I have him below,
Speaker 1: name your edge, Adece, Isaac, I'm going to take one
Speaker 1: of those players before this guy. Now, Zach's board might
Speaker 1: look differently than mine, right, so.
Speaker 2: The ZAXX board could we could be already be in
Speaker 2: that tier. So why not just because you're.
Speaker 1: Going to rain the tier? I mean, are you in
Speaker 1: the tier? Like after watching this film and stuff.
Speaker 3: I think so, okay, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: So that's what That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: If that's how if that's how he feels, I think
Speaker 1: that's one hundred percent right. And I think, but that's
Speaker 1: the thing about the draft though, It's like when you
Speaker 1: when I look at Patrick Paul, this is the thing.
Speaker 1: Arm length, the height, the weight, it's all there, foot speed,
Speaker 1: little concerning hand placement, little concerning foot speed, in my experience,
Speaker 1: is not get better drastically, you know, And so is
Speaker 1: he going to project to be that that guy, the
Speaker 1: day one starter that you're talking about, because there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of greeness there. To me, he feels like
Speaker 1: a guy who's going to be a swing tackle for
Speaker 1: a year or two, maybe ends up being a right
Speaker 1: tackle and then we'll see. But a more much more
Speaker 1: developmental than so any you know kings They SUMMATI is
Speaker 1: developmental too, which is developmental in a different way. So
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is a bad pick. I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: this is why that scouting department here does such a
Speaker 1: comprehensive job of like rating players, because they also want
Speaker 1: to know, Like it's a thing. It's like, don't fall
Speaker 1: in love with traits, right yea, yeah, don't fall in
Speaker 1: love with traits because there are there are. This is
Speaker 1: the other thing i'd say is there's no bad picks
Speaker 1: if you can justify it. Does that make sense what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, there's no bad pick, and so like
Speaker 1: for this, it might feel like a bad pick if
Speaker 1: he gets in here and you know, he doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: But on the day, if you had agreement and consensus
Speaker 1: that the coaches liked him, whatever, then go for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah good.
Speaker 2: And I'm just trying to say that, like if he's
Speaker 2: let's say we have Zak has a tier here and
Speaker 2: there's eight guys in this tier and Patrick Paul's in there,
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you were saying, I think you can
Speaker 2: trade back eight spots and still get a guy in
Speaker 2: the tier in the tier, but in order to do that,
Speaker 2: you need a team within eight spots to want to
Speaker 2: trade back, And if you're sitting there, it's like, well
Speaker 2: why not, I'm already in my tier. I'll just get
Speaker 2: the guy I like the best of this tier and
Speaker 2: like there's no loss there. And I think that that's
Speaker 2: what Zach's trying to say. With Patrick Paul, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I could move back, but that's why.
Speaker 1: Already got it. And I think the other thing that's
Speaker 1: important too, is like these are luxury picks, so if
Speaker 1: you want to take a shot, it doesn't need to
Speaker 1: be perfect. And that's the thing. There's no perfect pick, right,
Speaker 1: Like I could make an argument for Xavier' worthy just
Speaker 1: went to pick before you can make an argument why
Speaker 1: that's too high for him or why that's too low
Speaker 1: for him. Like, that's the thing. It's like, remember, we're
Speaker 1: all looking at the same pictures. It's just preference. And
Speaker 1: so for me, I get a little bit worried about
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul. I have my reservations about him, so it
Speaker 1: seems like a risky pick.
Speaker 2: What can he do?
Speaker 1: Right? That's exactly right. But also the same thing with
Speaker 1: King zimsumatized. So it's not like either one of those
Speaker 1: guys are like locks. If you want to lock, you
Speaker 1: take Blake Fisher. But the ceiling is not very high.
Speaker 4: Jo go to Edge just real quick, and just want
Speaker 4: to double check to make sure there's someone out there
Speaker 4: that I don't like more that Edge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everyone's been drafted. Yeah, oh you didn't draft.
Speaker 1: No one's drafted to d Isaacyetrice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think's still there.
Speaker 1: I think if you went exactly, I think you'd be
Speaker 1: doing all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1: I I like, yeah, no, I don't dislike it. I'm
Speaker 1: just we're kind of talking because.
Speaker 4: My experience, I feel like Footsbee does get better. It
Speaker 4: depends on how much the person is dedicated to.
Speaker 3: Getting it better.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: He's very wrong, Yeah, he's very raw. But again I
Speaker 3: think ceiling high.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's it's high, but I think the floor
Speaker 1: is low too, So I think you're going, what are
Speaker 1: you doing sending the car?
Speaker 2: It is all right, all right, that's our mock draft battle.
Speaker 1: Too, battle too. I feel pretty good about its. Actually
Speaker 1: smooth search. Did you see that one? We were just
Speaker 1: talking all this mess. Johnny Wilson went at hey, that's
Speaker 1: what ied at sixty four or something like that. Right,
Speaker 1: So smooth search is still going on.
Speaker 2: So he on his way. That was an hour and
Speaker 2: twenty minutes ago.
Speaker 1: All right, So just to review the picks, just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go Selby, you go first.
Speaker 4: Who so went round one Bnix at quarterback b Nicks issues,
Speaker 4: but we still we still like him. Lab McConkie getting
Speaker 4: an easy option when he's when to give a man coverage.
Speaker 4: Joan Ellis get us a guy that can rush the passer. Yep,
Speaker 4: a lot upside there, and then Patrick Paul a little
Speaker 4: bit of a project. But the ceiling is very, very high.
Speaker 2: And it's also important to note it note we trade
Speaker 2: back with Atlanta, so we also have next year's number
Speaker 2: one pick, number two picks. So it's in addition that he's.
Speaker 1: And I think this is a perfect important This is
Speaker 1: a draft capital iteration of why draft grades are so stupid,
Speaker 1: perfect iteration because Bonex is a D right, but we
Speaker 1: filled the need. He was the best quarterback we thought available.
Speaker 1: Right now, he's not a D right, But it's like
Speaker 1: they but based on how this program works, it's like
Speaker 1: I had him rated at thirty and you picked him
Speaker 1: way too high. Same thing with Chris Paul. Like I
Speaker 1: like Chris Paul. I think he's a good Patrick Paul. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Chris Paul's brother. That's my bad. That's my bad. Vices,
Speaker 1: that's on me. But he's an F. But I don't
Speaker 1: think that's right because if if Zach had him in
Speaker 1: his building at that, yep, then it's not an F.
Speaker 1: If fits in need, you got to you got to
Speaker 1: plan for that guy. So it's it's just that draft
Speaker 1: grades don't mean anything. So I'm saying draft grades are silly,
Speaker 1: and especially ones right after the draft. They need to
Speaker 1: do a draft grade like three years down the road.
Speaker 1: See what's going on there.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Our draft picks are Oli Fachano at eight, Love that,
Speaker 1: Darius Robinson at thirty six, love that, and then forty
Speaker 1: Chop Robinson was brothers, what's up coach? And then forty
Speaker 1: three Jordan Morgan like, we just got so much draft
Speaker 1: for it's a very good draft. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: you've locked down both both sides of the ball eventually
Speaker 1: for a long time. Again, I think this is another
Speaker 1: thing that we need to point out to is this
Speaker 1: is why getting all this draft capital, like even the
Speaker 1: even the extra pick from Chicago is so important because
Speaker 1: you're gonna get you know, an extra really good football player,
Speaker 1: which is awesome. So but that's what trading back gives
Speaker 1: you is this opportunity to kind of say, hey, like,
Speaker 1: think about the team this year, surrounded with this offensive
Speaker 1: line of young players. I got to develop, no doubt
Speaker 1: protecting Sam Howe, got good scale position players, get a
Speaker 1: receiver later. Man looks drastically different next year just from
Speaker 1: the jump. So that's that's what trading back gives you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Logan, So we're gonna be at the Combine.
Speaker 1: Yes, ticket to the draft. Man, we've got so if
Speaker 1: we're gonna do like we did at the Senior Bowl, right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get gonna kind of review the day who
Speaker 1: did well and all the jumps in the running, give
Speaker 1: all your insight, and then we're gonna get some great interviews.
Speaker 1: We've got some great guts potentially lined up, so make
Speaker 1: sure you check that out. It's gonna be awesome draft
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Speaker 2: Yeah, make sure you subscribe. You won't miss it.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: That was a great bock draft battle.
Speaker 1: Guys, it was awesome.
Speaker 2: All right, fans, leave comments, let us know who won,
Speaker 2: let us know who you would pick, Let us know
Speaker 2: if you trade back.
Speaker 1: All right now