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Speaker 1: I'm gonna see. Got to listen to the whole episode

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Speaker 1: to find out. But on today's episode, we are gonna

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Speaker 1: trade back or not to trade back? What are the

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Speaker 1: this is it mock battle Selby and maybe smooth. We'll

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Speaker 1: be here see who wins. Find out right out. Welcome

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Speaker 1: on into the Ticket of the Draft podcast. I'm logan

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Speaker 1: pauls in here with the infamous Zach Selby and jess

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Speaker 1: got He's close it out, but just remember reminder take

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Speaker 1: it to The draft is presented by Seek, the official

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Speaker 1: primary ticketing partner of the Washington Commanders. And we got

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Speaker 1: a fun show today, Jason.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the drafts. Everybody loves them, so loves them.

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Speaker 2: Getting ready to go to the combine. But before we do, uh,

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Speaker 2: we have to at the number two pick. We have

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Speaker 2: such as trading back, which is something our fans in

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Speaker 2: our comments I've been talking about, why not just trade back?

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Speaker 2: a thin roster right now. Sure, so what do you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think like to that point, I think

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Speaker 2: because our last pod we did a lot of quarterback talk. Sure,

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Speaker 1: the film.

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Speaker 2: So when you look at someone like Drake May, sorry

431
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Speaker 2: I want to.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, no, sorry, we got we all have

433
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Speaker 1: a place.

434
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Speaker 2: No, no, it's all good. So when you're talking about

435
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Speaker 2: Drake May, right, and it's like or and comparing him

436
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Speaker 2: to Jade and Daniels, like, oh, well, he takes a

437
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Speaker 2: hit because he's competitive, but he's one hundred and ninety pounds, yeah, right, Like,

438
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Speaker 2: so he's not going to put more weight one, So

439
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Speaker 2: you're really betting that we're going to coach this guy

440
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Speaker 2: to slide to control that competitive edge. Or when you

441
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Speaker 2: have Drake May, that dude does rumble around. Yeah, and

442
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Speaker 2: he's two twenty, so like he's a little more durable

443
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Speaker 2: when it comes to that. So where do you weigh

444
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Speaker 2: that right where it's like, Okay, this guy just wants

445
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Speaker 2: to go out and ball, right, and we love that,

446
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Speaker 2: but he's got to know who he is versus this

447
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Speaker 2: guy's not gonna do that, but like he's got the

448
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Speaker 2: body to withstand it when he does decide.

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Speaker 1: To do it. Yeah, And I think and Zach you

450
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Speaker 1: can probably speak on this too. I think that is

451
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Speaker 1: where having the coach. Having the coach is in place

452
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Speaker 1: to understand the player is so important because like when

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Speaker 1: I look at Jade Daniels and again you're trying to

454
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Speaker 1: separate you know there you know six what is that

455
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Speaker 1: saying half dozen of one six whatever? That expression thank you? Yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: And so like I look at that, and I'm like,

457
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Speaker 1: they're they're really similar. They're really good football players, right,

458
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Speaker 1: but they all have their warts. And so I guess

459
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Speaker 1: for me, is I look at again, it's the ceiling.

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Speaker 1: I think if you have a running quarterback, a guy

461
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Speaker 1: that I don't know how fast is gonna run, but

462
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Speaker 1: you know some people have thrown out numbers, people who

463
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Speaker 1: are privy to their training regiments and times they're running

464
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Speaker 1: and training right now, that Jane Daniels might run a

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Speaker 1: four three. Like, think about that, Jane Daniels, right, yeah,

466
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Speaker 1: said that might run a four three. And so when

467
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Speaker 1: you think about that, you're like, I want that piece

468
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Speaker 1: in my offense to do that, because think about what

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Speaker 1: Michael Vick could do to a defense just with its

470
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Speaker 1: legs right, and think about how that regulates coverages, and

471
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Speaker 1: think about Cliff Kingsbury with uh, you know Kyler Murray, right,

472
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Speaker 1: that's a dynamic piece. Now. Also, Drake May, I like

473
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Speaker 1: the way he rips the football man, especially in like

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Speaker 1: big moments, he rips the football. And again we talked

475
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Speaker 1: about the inconsistent with him, but his ceiling is there.

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Speaker 1: So it's like basically we're looking at the same pictures,

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Speaker 1: got all the same details in there, but I'm going

478
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Speaker 1: to focus on something a little bit different. And the

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Speaker 1: other thing that I keep coming back to with Jane

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Speaker 1: Daniels is and again, how transferable this is I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Or how consistently he can do this, I don't know,

482
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Speaker 1: but he just win his team needed plays. He delivered,

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Speaker 1: Like in the big moments against big opponents, he delivered it.

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Speaker 1: And there's I think there's value to that too. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think he's competitive, I think he's tough. You got

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Speaker 1: to kind of reel some of that in. And that's

487
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Speaker 1: not to say Drake May is not that, but I

488
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Speaker 1: just thought there was a more consistent level of excellence

489
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Speaker 1: in those big moments. And again, it's a college football season.

490
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Speaker 1: What's fourteen games, fifteen thirteen games something like that. Yeah,

491
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Speaker 1: not a lot of games. So you can get hot

492
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Speaker 1: for thirteen games and be awesome. Is that transferable? Drake

493
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Speaker 1: May's on for longer, so maybe that's more value there

494
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Speaker 1: or whatever. But that's where it's like, we're looking at

495
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Speaker 1: the same things and I'm gonna poke poke at something different.

496
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Speaker 1: You might say, I hate that he gets hit all

497
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Speaker 1: the time, but I'm like, he's a competitor or Drake May,

498
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Speaker 1: Like I love that he sticks in the pocket and

499
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Speaker 1: does this left handed throw with a guy on him, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't love that decision making, but he's making plays too.

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Speaker 1: So it's just like you can look at the same

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Speaker 1: thing and come to different conclusions.

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Speaker 2: And that's where we go into look at the positives

504
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Speaker 2: over the negatives, right right, we can all look at

505
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Speaker 2: what they don't do, right, well, look at what they

506
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Speaker 2: do do. Like so you could say you could say,

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Speaker 2: you could say Jade and Daniels, right, well, he's small,

508
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Speaker 2: he takes too many hits. But you're saying, well, he's

509
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Speaker 2: a playmaker. So that's the way you want to you

510
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Speaker 2: want to veer.

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Speaker 1: Right, do it well.

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Speaker 4: And I think it comes down to one trusting your

513
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Speaker 4: coaches to do two things, trusting them to put the

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Speaker 4: players in the best position to win, and two trusting

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Speaker 4: your coaches that help fix, like elevate some of the

516
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Speaker 4: issues that they've had. So you take Jayden Daniel for example,

517
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Speaker 4: Like you say, you one hundred and ninety pounds, but

518
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Speaker 4: like you're gonna say, are you gonna trust him to

519
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Speaker 4: do things that you would ask Drake man to do

520
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Speaker 4: where he who has like forty pounds on him. No,

521
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Speaker 4: you're gonna You're gonna put him in put him in

522
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Speaker 4: a position to You'll let him use athleticis and use

523
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Speaker 4: play making ability. But also hey, like slide, learn how

524
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Speaker 4: to slide? No, man like learn how to learn how

525
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Speaker 4: to maybe avoid hits, learn how to do some of

526
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Speaker 4: these other things. And I mean again, like it's all projection, right,

527
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Speaker 4: So you have to make sure that you're you have

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Speaker 4: to make sure that you're you're allowing your players to

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Speaker 4: do what they do while also not putting out putting

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Speaker 4: them in a position where they can't do some of

531
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Speaker 4: the things, right. I mean, every player has their limitations,

532
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Speaker 4: So you have to figure out what those are, and

533
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Speaker 4: you have to figure out how much it's really worth

534
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Speaker 4: it for you to take a.

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Speaker 3: Chance on my guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I got to go back to you know,

537
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Speaker 1: talk about looking at the same picture. Like Drake May

538
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Speaker 1: has all these different throws, right, he's got comebacks, goes

539
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Speaker 1: over the middle, stuff, deep ends, deep digs, extending plays,

540
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Speaker 1: throwing off balance, and then when you look at you know,

541
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Speaker 1: Jane Daniel's big time plays. It's really just like box

542
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Speaker 1: fates box fades to some guys who can absolutely rip it.

543
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Speaker 1: In terms of Brian I'm a junior and Malik neighbors.

544
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Speaker 1: So you're like, is he is he too much of

545
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Speaker 1: a one trick pony? Did the offense insulate them too much?

546
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Speaker 1: But so there's there's pros and cons man, and I

547
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Speaker 1: think it's about kind of ultimately deciding. And that's why

548
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Speaker 1: again I go back to this all the time. Is

549
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Speaker 1: I go back to the interview process that's about to

550
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Speaker 1: take place, and if I hit it off with Drake

551
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Speaker 1: May and I'm Cliff kingsburyman there, I'm like, this is this,

552
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Speaker 1: this guy is a dude. I'm probably gonna draft that guy.

553
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Speaker 1: And that's where that interpersonal relationship becomes so so critical.

554
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Speaker 1: So again I think fans think, oh, it's definitively one

555
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Speaker 1: guy or definitively the other guy. Just remember they've got

556
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Speaker 1: good traits. Man, both of them are excellent football players.

557
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Speaker 1: It's just about kind of narrowing it down and say,

558
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Speaker 1: like we're picking it picking at straws at this point,

559
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's not there's no right answer.

560
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Speaker 1: It's just about who's going to fit this team the best.

561
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Speaker 3: And the reverse is like how coachable are these guys?

562
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Speaker 1: Know?

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Speaker 3: How will you are they to take coach?

564
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Speaker 4: Because how many times have we seen a player who

565
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Speaker 4: has just phenomenal talent? Yeah, and they have a really

566
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Speaker 4: great rookie year and then they just hit a wall

567
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Speaker 4: and they're just they're willing to say, Okay, I'm going

568
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Speaker 4: to rest them all, Laurels, because what happened last year

569
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Speaker 4: is going to work again this year.

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Speaker 3: In surprise it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think back to Robert, you know, and

572
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Speaker 1: like how they had a plan form here, you know,

573
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Speaker 1: how Kyle and Mike had a plan and that plan change,

574
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Speaker 1: you know, partially because of Robert's perspective or whatever. But

575
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Speaker 1: you know, it's it just shows you how important coaching

576
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Speaker 1: is in terms of maximizing talent and how important that

577
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Speaker 1: like that that personality that kid has got to be

578
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Speaker 1: so so important as well to kind of say, oh,

579
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Speaker 1: I'm going to keep growing. I'm a student of the game.

580
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Speaker 1: I love football. I'm always hungering and yearning, yearning to

581
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Speaker 1: get better because like you know, when you watch Arizona film,

582
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Speaker 1: for example, Kyler Murray is tremendously gifted physically and athletically,

583
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Speaker 1: but how like what is his drive to be the best?

584
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Speaker 1: You know? And I think that's always coming to question,

585
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Speaker 1: you know, like with the study things in his contract.

586
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Speaker 1: You don't want to have to put that in for

587
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Speaker 1: your guy. And that's where again we're doing talent evaluation

588
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Speaker 1: on this show. That's where the scouting becomes so important.

589
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: That's like when I go talk to the janitor at

590
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Speaker 1: LSU and I'm like, you know, hey, is like, who's

591
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Speaker 1: the last guy building here normally? And it's like, oh,

592
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Speaker 1: Jane Dani's last guy. Like that's where you get that

593
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: little bit of extra information. That's why you're on the road,

594
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Speaker 1: you know, three hundred and sixty days out of the year,

595
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because you're trying to peel

596
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Speaker 1: back that onion and say this is who this guy

597
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Speaker 1: really is. I got a funny story. A couple of

598
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Speaker 1: years ago, they were talking about this guy, this offensive

599
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Speaker 1: line but potentially going in the first round. And we're

600
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Speaker 1: talking to a scout and he I was like, oh,

601
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Speaker 1: what do you think about him? He's big, he's physical,

602
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Speaker 1: you know. And then he's like he's not a great

603
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Speaker 1: work and I'm like, oh, that's what people say, but

604
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Speaker 1: I've been hearing that his work ethics improved. It's like

605
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Speaker 1: I stayed and watched the whole practice, acted like I

606
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Speaker 1: left early, came back and watched from the parking lot

607
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Speaker 1: to see if he'd stay after and do extra because

608
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Speaker 1: they said every day he does extra stuff. So I'm

609
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Speaker 1: sitting on the roof of the parking lot and dude,

610
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Speaker 1: just he was the first guy off the field, you know,

611
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Speaker 1: and so he's not working. He's not working, and so

612
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Speaker 1: the guy blow and behold that guy falls in the

613
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Speaker 1: draft is a He's an NFL player, but nothing special.

614
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Speaker 1: And that's where that magic of being a scout comes in,

615
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Speaker 1: is like, who of these two guys is different? You know?

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Speaker 3: Show you always lots, Yeah, you wouldn't know what even

617
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Speaker 3: you don't think they are.

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Speaker 2: All right, we got a smooth search update.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what we got?

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Speaker 2: All right? He's responded, so he's still on Earth, right,

621
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Speaker 2: he says he's on his way alright, so I'll turn

622
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Speaker 2: the mic on and he'll walk in. When he walks in,

623
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Speaker 2: but Selby, your assistant assistant to the GA.

624
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Speaker 3: We're already we're already passed the clock.

625
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Speaker 2: So here's what we're gonna do. I'm going to try

626
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Speaker 2: install just a little bit for Fred. But what we're

627
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Speaker 2: going to do is we're going to trade with the

628
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Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons are at number eight. They desperately need a quarterback.

629
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Speaker 2: The rumors are that they want a quarterback from this draft.

630
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Speaker 2: They're not going to sign a free agent. That's rumors

631
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Speaker 2: as of right now. So we seem to be a

632
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Speaker 2: good trading partner if we decide we want to trade back.

633
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Speaker 2: Obviously they'll get their pick between Daniels or May. We

634
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Speaker 2: just had our conversation on okay, So in this mock draft,

635
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Speaker 2: we are trading back this slot eight, so six uh

636
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Speaker 2: picks back with Atlanta. We're also taking their second round

637
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Speaker 2: pick in this draft, the forty third, and then we're

638
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Speaker 2: going to take some first rounds and second rounds and

639
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Speaker 2: years later. It doesn't matter for this mock draft. For

640
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Speaker 2: this mock draft, we're just moving back six bots spots

641
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Speaker 2: at eight and we're getting an extra second round pick.

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Speaker 3: I know, twenty five draft, right, but yeah, but I

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Speaker 3: think like that's like it's somewhat realistic.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, I think like when fans are going to

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Speaker 1: see this like, oh, well, we got an extra pick

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Speaker 1: this year, but it does it's not about this year,

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Speaker 1: it's about the sub next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So that's what we're gonna do. Here.

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Speaker 2: Here are the rules. This is a mock draft simulator.

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Speaker 2: I have no control over it. But we're going to

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Speaker 2: assume that Drake, Caleb Jaden, they're all going before pick

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Speaker 2: eight here.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: I know, we'll see what happened. But we just talked

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Speaker 2: about them a lot, yea. So it's to give other

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Speaker 2: guys an opportunity to get some get some shine.

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Speaker 3: The evaluation wasn't great on those players in this draft whatever.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna assume that they're gone. So if they

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Speaker 2: pop up for whatever reason, they're gone. The other rule

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Speaker 2: is you can't pick the same person, right, so if

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Speaker 2: they were on the same board, we did that last time. Uh,

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna see what two different drafts look like here.

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Speaker 2: All right, so I'm gonna push start draft.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what happens here, all right, who.

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Speaker 2: Wants to go first? We just go oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we can go. We can go over this.

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Speaker 3: I went first last time. I feel like it's fair

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Speaker 3: for right.

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Speaker 1: So who's gone? So Drake May went one, Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: went to to Atlanta. That's nice for them.

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Speaker 2: Harrison rom England a doomsday to the Cardinals, leak neighbors

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Speaker 2: to the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Cooper de Gene, Dude, Okay, let me just say this,

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Speaker 1: so we know, we know Trevor Sikamon who does their

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Speaker 1: big board at PFA.

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Speaker 2: He loves it.

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Speaker 1: He loves Cooper Dejeen. The league is not as hot

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Speaker 1: on him.

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Speaker 2: Mock draft simulators. You gotta do what you gotta do.

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Speaker 1: No, but he's but he's a great football player. But

681
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to point that out. So I guess

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Speaker 1: I'll go first. So in this, in this mock, I

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Speaker 1: am choosing to stay here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what are you're assuming that we're either going

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Speaker 2: to stick with a quarterback with or Rosser, which is

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Speaker 2: potentially Sam House, right, or you're signing somebody like a

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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield something like that.

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Speaker 1: I guess we could trade for Jacoby Bank. Yeah, Jacoby

689
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Speaker 1: Backer fields potentially, but obviously, but.

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Speaker 2: If we traded for Fields and we lose one of

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Speaker 2: the second round.

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Speaker 3: Going to Ruin, You guys have a plan.

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Speaker 1: Our quarterback plan is that we're going to accru cur

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Speaker 1: crew draft capital. We're going to sit with Stam Howe

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Speaker 1: and maybe get our guy next year.

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Speaker 2: But this, Shelby, you're going to draft a quarterback In

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Speaker 2: this you're acting as if you need one. I would think, yeah, okay, cool.

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Speaker 1: So I know, I know we don't want to go

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Speaker 1: over the board, but just to kind of give fans

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Speaker 1: an idea of people that are available, Brock Bowers, Nate

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Speaker 1: the tight end from Georgia, Nate Wiggins, the cornerback from Clenson,

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Speaker 1: Olufushanu the tack from Penn State, awesome football player, Telisi Fuaga,

703
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Speaker 1: awesome offensive tackle from Morgan State, Byron Murphy, interior defensive

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Speaker 1: line from Texas. And then Quinya Mitchell, the quarterback from Toledo.

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Speaker 1: So when I look at this, I say, this is

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Speaker 1: a perfect example of where you go either best player

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Speaker 1: available right or you try to fill a need. So

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Speaker 1: I look at this, and I say, edge Rusher is

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Speaker 1: an opportunity here, right, Dallas Turner here at eight would

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Speaker 1: fill a need for this team. And Dallas Turner, like

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Speaker 1: we've talked about him a little bit already, is a

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Speaker 1: really good football player, a guy that has tremendous athletic upside,

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Speaker 1: but is not the best player on the board in

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Speaker 1: terms of migrating system right now, I would probably have

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Speaker 1: Brock Bowers, Olufushanu, and probably Talisi Fuaga ahead of those guys.

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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of picking from that pool of people.

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Speaker 1: And so do you want a dynamic playmaker in Brock Bowers?

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Speaker 1: And I texted you this this weekend, Jason, right, I said,

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Speaker 1: think of Brock Bawers not as a tight end for

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Speaker 1: fans at home, he is a receiver. And so this

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Speaker 1: is honestly where I take him. If I have him

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Speaker 1: as an evaluated as a receiver, I would take him

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Speaker 1: right after Malik Neighbors, Right, he would be my next receiver.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense? What I'm saying to fans at

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Speaker 1: homes actually makes sense? Yet, Like he's he's not a

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Speaker 1: true inline.

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Speaker 3: Guy, kind of like kind of cowpits in a sort

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Speaker 3: of one.

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Speaker 1: But Kyle Pitts. I think, like when you do the

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Speaker 1: evaluation on Kyle Pitts, like he was good in line

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Speaker 1: because he's big. He's like six six, he's got long arms,

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Speaker 1: he got thirty four inch arms, Like he can compete

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Speaker 1: with the defensive end. Brock Bauers is not that guy.

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Speaker 1: He's six four. I think he's two thirty five to

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Speaker 1: forty is the number we had him. Was a two

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Speaker 1: forty something like that. So not like a huge man,

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Speaker 1: not like a super long guy. But he runs excellent

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Speaker 1: routes and he creates great separation. He's great after the catch.

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Speaker 1: Like my comp for him, because you love comps, is

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Speaker 1: George Kittle if he wasn't into wrestling, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. So he's like he's this great mover in space,

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Speaker 1: catches the football really well. But at the line of

743
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: scrimmage he wants to do it, but he just doesn't

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Speaker 1: have all those techniques. Doesn't have that like you know

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Speaker 1: cold Sotol's center that like is locked in for that

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Speaker 1: defensive end, you know what I'm saying. So I think

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Speaker 1: if you have a vision for this player, he could

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Speaker 1: be a dynamic Like at Georgia, they had a wonderful

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Speaker 1: vision for him. He's playing running back, he's playing receiver,

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Speaker 1: he's outside, he's in motion, he's you know, he does

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Speaker 1: he's part of the RPO game. So if you have

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Speaker 1: a vision for this guy, take him here, right. But

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Speaker 1: in terms of value, I look at Olufashano and I

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Speaker 1: think that guy could be special, right. He could be

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Speaker 1: special as an offensive lineman. And then you know he's

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Speaker 1: the attack of from Penn State. His feet moves so well.

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Speaker 1: He's this straight athlete. Again, the thing you worry about

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Speaker 1: with him, and I think a lot of people have

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Speaker 1: Talisi Fiuaga, the guy from Oregon State, above him, because

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Speaker 1: Talise fl Wogga is like a brick. He's got this

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Speaker 1: great anchor, he's got this great physicality, but a little stiff.

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Speaker 1: So do you bet on the upside which I tend

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Speaker 1: to bet on upside athletic upside with Olufashanu and you

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Speaker 1: got Dallas Turner. So if I had to make a

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Speaker 1: pick here, this is tough for me because I got

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Speaker 1: I'm in like a candy shop right now, and I

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Speaker 1: want to take a tight end because I think he's

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Speaker 1: a he's a really good football player. But do you

769
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Speaker 1: feel in need, and that would be my question. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask for my consultant GM to kind

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Speaker 1: of chime in here, Jason, what we got?

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Speaker 2: All right? So here's the thing about taking a tight

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Speaker 2: end this early.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but he's not a tight end. He's not a

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Speaker 1: true tight end.

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Speaker 2: I understand that. But he's labeled as a tight end.

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Speaker 2: I got you, all right. So if you take him

778
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: around here, the money the money money, right, So you're

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Speaker 2: saving maybe only four million dollars between going out and

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Speaker 2: getting a top tier tight ended free agency by drafting

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Speaker 2: one in this area, Whereas if you draft a wide

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Speaker 2: receiver here for a dynamic pass catcher, you're going to

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Speaker 2: save sixteen million dollars about. So brock Bowers has to

784
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Speaker 2: be that much better than whoever the next receiver is

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Speaker 2: on this list that you would want to take just

786
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Speaker 2: for the money. I'm gonna pull up the receivers real quick.

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Speaker 2: So you got to say, for Brian Thomas Junior, he's

788
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Speaker 2: worth eight million.

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Speaker 1: Dollars, Troy Franklin or Alad McCarty exact exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I think brock Bowers is going to

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Speaker 2: slide in the in the.

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Speaker 1: Draft from the money not for talent, but for money. Reason.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you look at it, tackles this is good money,

794
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Speaker 2: is getting good money. So I'm one with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So if I was gonna this is tough for

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Speaker 1: me because I think Dallas Turner, I've told you, is

797
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Speaker 1: an athletic projection. Same thing with Olufano. But oluf has

798
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Speaker 1: been more productive as a pass protector. And I just

799
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Speaker 1: think you get him with the right guy in the

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Speaker 1: right system, Like that's that dude. So this might be

801
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Speaker 1: a tick high for him, But I really like him,

802
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Speaker 1: and so I would probably say it's If it's I'd

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Speaker 1: probably go that way. I'd probably go Olufano here at

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Speaker 1: eight for the Washington commander.

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Speaker 4: And he fits the bill one hundred percent just watching him.

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Speaker 4: I mean you mentioned his footwork. Yeah, so much about

807
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 4: offensive line play is decided by your footwork, and he

808
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Speaker 4: has it down to a t. He's so good at it,

809
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: He's so quick, his hands are really really strong. I

810
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Speaker 4: think he's I mean andy. Plus he does feel a

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Speaker 4: need for Washington. I mean they've had issues on the

812
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Speaker 4: off the line for long. Diw I know sacks aren't

813
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Speaker 4: all all off the line issue, but it's not not

814
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Speaker 4: an issue either, so, and I think he would be

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Speaker 4: the highest offensive lineman drafted by Washington wins Sheriff's five.

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Speaker 3: Oh Sheriff five and five, it's the top five pick.

817
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Speaker 1: So let me just say this too. So this is

818
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Speaker 1: a really good example. So tealisifu Waga, the tackle from

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Speaker 1: Oregon I had. I like his college film better. And

820
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Speaker 1: this is where that projection thing comes. Yeah, because I

821
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Speaker 1: like his college film better. I think he's a better

822
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Speaker 1: run blocker. I think he's got a better anchor against

823
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Speaker 1: the ball. But I think he's kind of what he is.

824
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Speaker 1: I think his floor is very high. I think he

825
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: can easily moved to guard. He's a tough, nasty son

826
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Speaker 1: of a gun. But if you want to hit a

827
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Speaker 1: home run with this pick, it's for Shana for the

828
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Speaker 1: footwork and the athleticism.

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Speaker 4: And there's so many tackles in college that you can

830
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Speaker 4: just say, oh, he's just going to go to guard. Yeah,

831
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Speaker 4: Like but you there's I feel like it's very rare,

832
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Speaker 4: especially now, to find a guy at left tackle in

833
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 4: college game. You're like, that is an NFL left tackle

834
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Speaker 4: one hundred percent. And I think Oliver Shawn is absolutely

835
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Speaker 4: that guy.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's one hundred percent, because

837
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: again there's a strength issue there, but he's also twenty.

838
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: He's like young, yeah, and so like you, hoping that

839
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: he gets a little bit strong. The other thing I

840
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, Jason before we moved on from

841
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: this pick was there's a lot of tackles in this class.

842
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: Do we want to get our edge here and kind

843
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: of shore that up because we're not gonna have a

844
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: shot at dubtas you know, like a Dallas Turner a

845
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: lot too lot to with Jared Vers, like those guys

846
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: will be gone.

847
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: No we're not. But with all the picks, we're gonna

848
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: have top second round. I think you're gonna find good

849
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: talent back there for the edge rushers. I mean, if

850
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: you're just real quickly, we don't have to say names,

851
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: if you're just real quickly looking ahead. Let's say the

852
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: line's drawn somewhere in here.

853
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah right, our line is Chris Braswell, some pretty darn

854
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: good names. Okay, Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you,

855
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: all right. Cool. Yeah, So I think the tackles where

856
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna go Alofashanu and I feel after talking through it,

857
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how the role room's gonna go too, Right,

858
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: You're gonna have guys that are higher on certain guys.

859
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about it a little bit and

860
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: come to a consensus.

861
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: I want to protect Sam Howe or whoever Ba.

862
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: Who's ever back there. But he's a good football player,

863
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a cornerstone for a while, a little bit

864
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: a little bit green in terms of strength. But the

865
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: feed man can't coach those feet, can't coach that athleticism.

866
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: So all right, Selby, you're on the clock.

867
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: All right.

868
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 4: So obviously I do not have the luxury of GOV

869
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 4: deciding to go with the other options at quarterback and

870
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 4: the at least I think, let's see, we have Drake

871
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 4: may Kay Williams off the board a quarterback, good quarterback there.

872
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 4: So Dan Danils is on there, and I think in

873
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 4: the real world, I think he's.

874
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: Gonna go a lot higher than Yeah, I think that

875
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: I think New York would for sure take Jayden Daniels.

876
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think everyone kind of agrees.

877
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 4: Outside of those three guys, there's a line you can

878
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 4: draw there, and I think you've got Bo Nicks, JJ McCarthy,

879
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: Michael Pennix Junior is down there a little bit, a

880
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 4: little bit more, then you've got the other guys down

881
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 4: there for me.

882
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: So for Zach, let me just take this off saw

883
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: all of your fans home. We would if this happened

884
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: at eight, Zach would for sure draft Jayan Daniels.

885
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely, just to be clear, But it's not gonna happen.

886
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: That's not really Yeah, but we're not gonna do that

887
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: right now because you're.

888
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: Telling me you're gonna you're gonna get be Jadan Daniels

889
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: and another.

890
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not moving teams aren't moving up like this

891
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: to not take Gene Yeah, to take Cooper or whatever.

892
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: That's not happening.

893
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: No disrefect to Cooper.

894
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: No, he's a great football player, and he's a guy

895
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: that I'm like if he's there when we're picking at

896
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: thirty six. But I'm doing a backflip because I think

897
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: he's that good of a football he's a first round player.

898
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a top ten guy.

899
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: He's also not a quarterback.

900
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: That's a great point.

901
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 4: So for me, it really comes down to two positions

902
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 4: or two players.

903
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: Bo Nicks and j D. McCarthy.

904
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 4: I feel, you know, for me, I've told you I'm

905
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 4: an Auburn fan, must of my chagrin of the last

906
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 4: few years, and I remember seeing bo Nicks as he

907
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 4: can't his freshman year beat Alabama, looked great, dynamic runner.

908
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: As you got into his career at Auburn, it seemed

909
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 4: like that was all he was. And they transfers to

910
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: Oregon and all of a sudden he has his year

911
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: where he's just exploded.

912
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: Now, of course you have to you.

913
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 4: Have to remember he's a lot older than a lot

914
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 4: of the other quarterbacks now and he's so he's got

915
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 4: a lot more snaps, He's got a lot more experienced,

916
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 4: something that I value out of my quarterbacks. I'd like

917
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 4: to have as many snats as possible, especially starting snaps.

918
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: But you know, for him, and I'll look at him,

919
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: and he does a lot of good stuff. I mean,

920
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: he had the least turnover wheth he plays, and he

921
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 4: was he had a great year at Oregon, absolutely fantastic.

922
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 4: It's just about who is he. Is he the Auburn

923
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 4: bon Knicks or is the Oregon b And my biggest

924
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 4: question about Bo Nicks is exactly that, because he's not

925
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: gonna have the Oregon offense in the NFL and I

926
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: looked a lot of his throws, a lot of his

927
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 4: receivers are really open, and I'm well, look, that's not

928
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 4: gonna be open in the NFL.

929
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: That's not gonna be open.

930
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: He's still Detroy Franklin, who is going to be a

931
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: first round ride receiver from Oregon. He's six three hundred

932
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: and eighty five pounds, can absolutely fly and the and

933
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: your other point is like a lot of RPO, a

934
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: lot of screening, a lot of quick game stuff underneath it.

935
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: He does have a very profile in terms of what

936
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: he's throwing with the offense is very support of his

937
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: skill set.

938
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 4: Well, and that does kind of make me feel good

939
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 4: if I'm going bow knicks, because you look at Cliff Kingsbury,

940
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 4: you look at the like like a lot of the

941
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 4: coaches that Washington has put around this potential quarterback, a

942
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: lot of quarterback friendly guys who have helped elevate quarterbacks

943
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 4: in their career, whether it's Brian Johnson, you know, whether

944
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 4: it's Tavita who had did really well. But establishing your

945
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 4: relationship with saying how Cliff Kingsbury, So that makes me

946
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 4: feel good about him. On JJ McCarthy, on the other hand,

947
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: doesn't have the stass, don't really fly off the page

948
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 4: as well as bow Nick stud Bo Nicks, but you

949
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 4: see some stuff where it's like, Okay, the potential for

950
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 4: him to is really there if you can surround him

951
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 4: with the right guys and you give him an offense

952
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 4: that maybe doesn't that you don't have to put all

953
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 4: the responsibility on him right then and there and let

954
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: him kind of grow into something.

955
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think JJ McCarthy is probably the one of

956
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: the most interesting prospects in this entire draft because like

957
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: when you again when you go watch his high lights,

958
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: NFL throws all over the map, you know, the fifteen

959
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: yard comeback, the deep post, like the over over the

960
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: middle of field. He doesn't layer throws super well. But

961
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: in terms of like just saying NFL arm, NFL athleticism,

962
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: NFL size, like, dude's got it right, He's got it.

963
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: And I think that's why you're seeing kind of this

964
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: big push from people in the scouting community. This is

965
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: an NFL medias said, with the scouting community saying JJ

966
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: McCarthy will be that fourth quarterback because there's all this

967
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: allure around that kind of bad word which is potential

968
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: here with him, like his ceiling is so much higher, right.

969
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: He's also I think a great junctaposition about Nicks because

970
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: he's so much younger. I think he's twenty something like that, Yeah,

971
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: twenty one, so he's a little years yeah, three years younger,

972
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: and people like, oh my gosh, he's going to develop.

973
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: He's in this kind of pro style offense already up

974
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: there at Michigan. But to your point, like I think

975
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: he only had like one hundred and fifty throws this year,

976
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: like something, yeah, crazy.

977
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 4: He never threw three thousand yards in a season in mission.

978
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: So how much do you blame that when just Michigan,

979
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: I mean they won a national championship. They ran the

980
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: ball and they played good defense. They didn't ask him

981
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: to throw.

982
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: So for me, it's like that's that's what the offense was.

983
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: So I don't really knock him for it. The problem

984
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: is it just makes the evaluation way really tough. Yea, yeah,

985
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: because it's like what can he do? Like how does

986
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: he do this? Like it's crazy Like when you watch Pennix,

987
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: for example, I think he threw he had three consecutive

988
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: games where he threw for he threw over forty times

989
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: and I think to get the same number of throws

990
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: you had to go through like fifteen fifteen games, no

991
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: ten games from JJ McCarthy. You know what I'm saying, Like,

992
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: it just is so much harder. The situations are different.

993
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: You don't get to see him on bad throw down

994
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: situations as much. They don't leverage him the same way.

995
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I heard coaches talking about

996
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: I've watched every single throw from his college career just

997
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: to try to get a feel for who he is.

998
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: You know, when they say, oh, look at that TCU

999
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: game last year, we had to throw the ball ation.

1000
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: You see that NFL ability, but it just makes the

1001
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: projection harder. And so I think like part of it

1002
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: is like there's like that mystery box element too, and

1003
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: uh and like they don't really know, but you see

1004
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: the the arm talent, you see the athleticism. I think

1005
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna run a four or five, big kid, strong kid.

1006
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: So if this was the NFL doing this, there's no

1007
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind. That not no doubt, but I

1008
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: feel very confident in saying J. J. McCarthy would be

1009
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: the next quarterback taken. It just depends on what Zach's

1010
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: gonna do here well.

1011
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 4: And you could argue that both of them were kind

1012
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 4: of mystery box playoffs in some ways. But I mean,

1013
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 4: for me, what makes me feel better is the starting experience,

1014
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 4: the amount of times you're able to drop back. And

1015
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: I think Bonix to me kind of fists apart physically

1016
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 4: a little bit more than than J. D.

1017
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 3: McCarthy does.

1018
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: And plus I mean he's six two two ten and

1019
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: I think JJ McCarthy's six three two ten, Like they're

1020
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: very similar in to the stature.

1021
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 4: I think, sure, but I don't know. I just to

1022
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 4: me it feels like Bonix is a little bit more

1023
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: thickly made. I think, right, yeah, And I think when

1024
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 4: we talked about.

1025
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: The big playability with Jane Danels and drap may, I

1026
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 3: see some of that with bow Knicks even seeking.

1027
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1028
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: So I think, to me, I think he's the third.

1029
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: Quarter. This is and again this is a conversation we'd

1030
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: have because I'd say, I think J. J. McCarthy has

1031
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: a higher ceiling. But if Zach's got to work with

1032
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: him every single day, you know, like I want Zach

1033
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: to pick the guy he wants.

1034
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 4: To pick, yep, And I think trust him. The coaches

1035
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 4: trusting them to do what they can to put him

1036
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: in the best position.

1037
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: We're going to go a bow knicks. But I would

1038
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: say this too, and people say, why why not? Michael

1039
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: Pennox in this conversation, Michael Penix had a great college career.

1040
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: He did not a lot of throws in that offense

1041
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: that are different, a lot of stuff down the field,

1042
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: big arm, ability to push the ball down the field,

1043
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: which you love. Strictly a pocket passer, which is kind

1044
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: of crazy to say, because I think people think of

1045
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: him as like a better athlete when you watch.

1046
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 3: When he does run, it's okay, I wouldn't say, but he.

1047
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: That's like a that's like a like literally a last

1048
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: resort for him. Like J. J. McCarthy runs more than him,

1049
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, And so he's not that guy. He's a

1050
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: down on the field, Like look at his receivers, like

1051
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: look at o'doonza, look at Polk. Both those guys are

1052
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: great contested catch guys, and he put the ball on

1053
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: the money and he made them better football players.

1054
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: But that's like his game, and he's and he's got

1055
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 4: a massive arm, Like you said, I feel like sometime

1056
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: he relies on his arm too much. Which is a

1057
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: problem that a lot of quarterbacks a big arms have.

1058
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: The mechanics aren't really there at the footwork whenever he's

1059
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 4: starting to throw. He didn't look. He just slings it

1060
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 4: out there. He didn't like step into his throat a

1061
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 4: little bit to me. And I know that, you know,

1062
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: go back to trutch in the coaches. I know you

1063
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: would you would hope that that develops and pick gets fixed,

1064
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 4: but that we've seen there's a lot evidence that that

1065
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: does not always happen with with quarterbacks and big.

1066
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: Arms, and also with him too, there's a huge medical concern.

1067
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: You think he said like yeap two or three acls,

1068
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: he's got a back injury, and so I think he

1069
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: might be even like a red candidate, so like someone

1070
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: that has a non draftable grade for a lot of

1071
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: teams because of his medical history. And again the combine

1072
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: and the medical will be huge for him. But and

1073
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: then to just kind of played Devil's advocate a little

1074
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: bit just to kind of flush us out. I think

1075
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: in Kingsbury's offense, when you watch him in twenty twenty

1076
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: one with Kyler Murray, a lot of their quick game

1077
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: explosives were on deep balls, you know, so maybe they

1078
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: look at him and they say, he's actually fits what

1079
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: we want to do a little bit better. I don't

1080
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: I think this is a correct ranking. I think J. J. McCarthy,

1081
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: Bonis and Michael Penick Junior are kind of the order.

1082
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: And I do think that Bonicks and JJ McCarthy are

1083
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: closer than Michael Penix. And also I wanted to point

1084
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: out that the two players were talking about. J. J.

1085
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: McCarthy and Boonicks are thirtieth and thirty ninth or thirty yeah,

1086
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: thirty six on the big board for PFF. I think

1087
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: this is just a great example of how quarterbacks, because

1088
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: of the value the position, just get pushed up so

1089
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: dramatically because I don't think anyone would batny if you

1090
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: picked one of these guys here, even though they might

1091
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: not be, you know, the eighth guy on her Yeah, correct, yeah, yeah.

1092
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: Pennix reminds me of like a lefty, little bit shorter

1093
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco.

1094
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, I mean that's what I see out

1095
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: of him.

1096
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: Could be wrong there, but like you want a team

1097
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: that's good around him. I don't think he's going to

1098
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: be your playmaker like other other quarterbacks could be. That

1099
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: you see in the McCarthy and the Bonnicks where they

1100
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: can make plays happen for you with their legs and

1101
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: their athleticism.

1102
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: That's a great point. So I don't think that's a

1103
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,959
Speaker 1: bad pick, but you know, a lot of a lot.

1104
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: Of work to do there, all right, going to the

1105
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: second round.

1106
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: Just ripping through this mocks draft.

1107
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 2: Smooth search is still.

1108
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: On, still on. Oh my gosh, look at look at this, Jason,

1109
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: Look at this Jack Jason JJ McCarthy on an epic

1110
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,959
Speaker 1: slide to the Washington Commanders at thirty six. Overall, I mean, gosh,

1111
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 1: that feels like the way we got to go. Unless

1112
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: there's a really good edge available. We yeah, less there's

1113
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: really good edgevailable let's see, but like that that would

1114
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: be fantastic.

1115
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, we have our quarterback. We made

1116
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: that decision before going into this. We're going edge here,

1117
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: all right, Look run down the edges because there are.

1118
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: Some really, yeah, really good edges here. So a de

1119
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: size from Penn State. Who is the guy who plays

1120
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: opposite of Chop Robinson. A guy had a great senior Bowl,

1121
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: really twitchy, really twitchy, really long, little green, but a

1122
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: guy that you're like, that's a piece you could build around. Obviously,

1123
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: Chop Robinson is a guy that everybody knows probably probably

1124
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: the most explosive edge in the class. Does not mean

1125
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: he's the best edge in the class. He's very fast,

1126
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: very explosive, very technically raw. A lot of games where

1127
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: he's just completely erased and a lot of games where

1128
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: he just comes up and is making excellent football player.

1129
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: You are one hundred percent betting on coaching.

1130
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And then maybe my favorite player, Yeah,

1131
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: maybe my favorite player is Darius Robinson, the Edge for Missouri.

1132
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: Like I just I love his film. He's he's a

1133
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: huge man. He's six ' five, he's two ninety. He

1134
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: can play inside, he can play outside. He plays the

1135
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: game with the with the requisite amount of violence in

1136
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: his heart. Absolutely, and I respect the hell out of that.

1137
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Remember when I remember when there talking about running

1138
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: hit guys. That's a running hit.

1139
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: Guy, my gosh. And he's got a little edge to

1140
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: him like he's and at the Senior Bowl dominant and

1141
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: then you and the thing is, like you see that

1142
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: on film, Like I had a I had like a

1143
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: low second round great on him before the Senior Bowl

1144
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: because his hands are just so damn heavy and his

1145
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: head is so damn hard, and so he's a guy

1146
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: that I really like. And then the guy after him, Jason,

1147
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: let's see what we gotta go do one more because

1148
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: I think he's an excellent football player too. Jonathan ellis

1149
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: one of the kind of jo Jonah sorry, one of

1150
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: the sneaky best pass rushers in the draft, really small guy.

1151
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: And then Brailn tries. So lots of really good edge

1152
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: rushers there. So, Jason, you were one hundred percent right, man,

1153
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: A lot of edges fell to us in this position.

1154
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: Feeling pretty good about that if we need to make

1155
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: a pick there.

1156
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking. I'm just looking through other positions because

1157
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: there are so many good edge rushers and we have

1158
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 2: three picks here in the next seven that maybe if

1159
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: we're thin at another position, we can go ahead and

1160
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 2: grab that player there and still feel confident in the

1161
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: next the next selections we have, we're gonna get a

1162
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: good edge.

1163
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: Well, do you want to draft a quarterback here or no?

1164
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: Particularly? Okay, because like just because of the way that

1165
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: we're doing this draft and how we set it up, right,

1166
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: who knows who he went out and gotten free agents,

1167
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: Like we're already we've already solved the quarterback problem in there.

1168
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: We we have we have in our team.

1169
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: Yes, but if this were to happen, interesting projects down there,

1170
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 3: if you really wanted to like dip in there for

1171
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks, ye, like Joe Milton, like could be like

1172
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 3: a like later on like a third or like a

1173
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: day three. Yeah, for y'all makes more sense to go.

1174
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: And then there's some good The receivers are excellent, like

1175
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, we already did that.

1176
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm just looking through.

1177
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: But what about corner. Let's safety and corner. Let's see

1178
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: that real quick, because again, yeah, nobody that really like

1179
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: blows your doors off there, I think I think if

1180
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: you're going value here, because again, lat mccogney is available.

1181
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 1: We talked about him last podcast. Excellent football player, really

1182
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: just a fantastic football player, and a guy that is

1183
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: going to be like an excellent slot really productive. I

1184
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: don't know if he fits a need here necessarily for

1185
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: this team, especially when there's these edges here.

1186
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do edge even even if we take two

1187
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: edges here in the next seven picks.

1188
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: Which we might kind of feels like we might do

1189
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: that actually, So for me and you might feel differently,

1190
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: Like I just I like a dis Isaac. I just

1191
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: think Darius Robinson's floor is high, Like I don't know

1192
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: understand why he's ranked forty five on the sport and

1193
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: again this is PFF sport. I would probably just.

1194
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 4: This is one of those guys like Tyler Guid and

1195
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 4: Darius Robinson, like go to the guys, like if you're

1196
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 4: watching it, you're praying the heat that they somehow fall

1197
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 4: at thirty six.

1198
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: That is like first round caliber town.

1199
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah no, and I saw, I mean, what do you

1200
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: think Jason.

1201
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he was the winner at the saon one of

1202
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: the winners, Like he's standing out, he's going to do.

1203
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: My practice Player of the Week or something like that.

1204
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just a violent I just love it. Man.

1205
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: We have the combine coming up. It's gonna crush at

1206
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: the court, I hope. So it's gonna looks he's probably

1207
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: not gonna be.

1208
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: Here, but man, if he is, yeah, we got to

1209
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: take him him.

1210
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're gonna take Robinson one hundred percent. I'm

1211
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: on board with that.

1212
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's do it.

1213
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: Darius Robinius from Missouri not chopped yet.

1214
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 3: So not gonna lie kind of hate you in this

1215
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: moment because I really.

1216
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 1: Wanted to know, like he's that guy that everyone wants.

1217
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, but you know, for me, what quarterback, I

1218
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 4: still feel like I have to need to either protect

1219
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 4: him or give him an explosive weapon.

1220
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 3: Can you go to the off the lineman for look

1221
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: at you?

1222
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: You can't get away from your roots here?

1223
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: No, I can't. I just now see Jordan Morgan is

1224
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 3: the highest rated tackle.

1225
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: What do you think about him? By the way, I.

1226
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: I don't think he's a tackle.

1227
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: I don't think so either.

1228
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: And I plus I think he's player though, and I

1229
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: think if I'm if I'm drafting GOT thirty six at tackle,

1230
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: I want him to be like a day one starter.

1231
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily sure of the Jordan Morgan is the.

1232
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 4: Day one start because he got so He's got a

1233
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 4: lot of technical issues from that almost are too much

1234
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 4: for me to overlook.

1235
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: Can you go to the list, Jason, just for I

1236
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: want to ask. I got a question for Selby? Is

1237
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: there anybody on here that you think is a Day

1238
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: one starter? I have an answer to this, but is

1239
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: there anyone on this list? Do you think it's a

1240
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: dead listen? So, Jordan Morgan is the tackle guard from Arizona.

1241
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: Kingsley sum Mattia is attack from by you. I don't

1242
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: need know how to say this guy's name, Karan, I

1243
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: do it. I am Amma JUDDI a Majadi from Yale.

1244
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: Tackle that was close. Yeah, I like that better? Yeah,

1245
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: that's better. Blake Fisher attack from under name, Patrick Paul

1246
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: attack from Houston. He's any third on this board. And

1247
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: Matt Young Cleavis from Pittsburgh, who I think is actually

1248
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: a really sneaky I don't know if you've watched him

1249
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: at Zach you should definitely watch him. He was hurt

1250
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: this year, only played three games, but a really good

1251
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: football player. Reminds me of like a more athletic Sam Cosby,

1252
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: like might be a guard. But I like his film

1253
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: a lot. So again, just to give you a kind

1254
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: of the lay of the land.

1255
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: There, So what was your question of this?

1256
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: Obvio? So any of these of those guys that just

1257
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: right off and then obviously Dominic Puney who's right below him,

1258
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: is a guy that had an awesome week at the

1259
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Probably a guard of those six guys, seven guys,

1260
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: is any one of those guys a day one starter.

1261
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: I have an answer in my mind, But I.

1262
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 4: Personally feel like of all the guys, I mean, I

1263
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 4: do like Patrick Paul a lot, but he's pretty green, man,

1264
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 4: He's pretty green. I feel like Kingsley is probably my

1265
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 4: guy that probably the guy that I would I think

1266
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 4: is the most ready to be to be and I

1267
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 4: like him a lot too.

1268
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: I like him a lot better than Jordan Morgan.

1269
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's also a little bit green, you know,

1270
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: worried about the footspeed, a little bit great anchor, great strength,

1271
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: great play strength, competitive you steal that stuff might be

1272
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: a tick high for him, you know, But I like him.

1273
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 3: He's only twenty one too.

1274
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's but of the guys for b YU, like

1275
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: that's super player, but on but on of this list

1276
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: that we just looked at, he's probably the guy that

1277
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: I think is the most ready at tackle to start

1278
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: day one. And if you want to guard, I think

1279
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: Dominic Puney is pretty close.

1280
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 4: But can you like to scroll down for like, yes, okay, cool, cool,

1281
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 4: he's still available. Well, they either's a project guy that

1282
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 4: that I've gotten, got your fair.

1283
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: Future, free future.

1284
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do is that you get

1285
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: a receiver? I think with dude, I think this is

1286
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: a mistake. Sect I think the mistake. Just look at

1287
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: look at look at this receiver list. I know we

1288
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: did this last time, but it's insane. Ladi mcconchney, Jeremy Burton,

1289
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy, Roman Wilson, h Jalen pok Ricky Pierce Saw,

1290
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: Jamie McMillan, de Montes Walker like Johnny Wilson, like Xavier again,

1291
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: Holy Count, Jim Murray, Thrash Brandon right, like all those

1292
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: guys will be on an NFL team Like yeah, all

1293
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: of them productive and productive player like that. How many

1294
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: guys we just talked about? Ten guys like yeah?

1295
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 4: But for me, I kind of feel like I have

1296
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 4: have to go with the guy who's going to give

1297
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 4: my quarterback the most opportunity to make explosive plays.

1298
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: And the Ladd.

1299
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: I feel like the Lad. The Lad is is an option.

1300
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: Here, Ladd is an option. Well he so if you

1301
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: said Lad, I would be like, awesome, pick yeah, because

1302
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: he's if you have not watched Ladd mccogney from Georgia,

1303
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: he's like this little white dude, but he is explosive

1304
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: as all get out.

1305
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: Killed it at the senior you have Julian Edelman.

1306
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: No Hunter Renfros I put, but no, but you said

1307
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: something that Jason Jesse Jason. We do like dueling descriptions,

1308
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: and I'll read Jessic guy Jason's description. You said he

1309
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: wants to score every time he touched the football. It

1310
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: looks and we talk about competitive hootspa.

1311
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: I love that he is great and he did he

1312
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,479
Speaker 3: feel like he want almost all. He want a lot.

1313
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: Wheneveryone I want except for the kid from Who's the Guy?

1314
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 3: But I know that's not a realistic like but he's but.

1315
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: It was like he's moked. It wasn't like he won

1316
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: every one on one. It was like I made everyone

1317
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: winning silly. Everyone looked like they didn't play football.

1318
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 4: Another guy that like I do think could be potentially

1319
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 4: like could rise a blot of xaberly get just because

1320
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 4: he's a big dude who knows how to make it

1321
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 4: supposed to play and make catches like again like on

1322
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 4: this board, if this is your board, Yeah, I feel

1323
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 4: like he could potentially still be available somewhere else.

1324
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: I means roam with the.

1325
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: Lad We'll do it so and to your point, Zach,

1326
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: like in this offense though, like you need that kind

1327
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: of what's the guy's name in Arizona, the shifty kind

1328
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: of kid from Purdue the forgetting his name, Leave a

1329
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: comment if you remember his name, but like kind of

1330
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: that small, explosive four to to two kind of guy.

1331
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: I think Lad fits that, Bill, and he gives you

1332
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: more juice down the football field.

1333
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 3: So the targets for a quarterback who, like Bo, needs

1334
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 3: to have a.

1335
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: Little more develop and talk about in Manda Man situations.

1336
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: A guy that you say, hey, Man, go win this,

1337
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: go in on a choice, like, I think you love that.

1338
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: So were picking again. We're picking again, So you pick

1339
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: one Lad, right, Lad?

1340
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: Just so just so you know he's not here. We

1341
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: picked him last time. Yeah, yeah, but I think we

1342
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: go ed judge here.

1343
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: So I was going to ask you because to go

1344
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: to the linebacker, because the linebacker, because again I'm not

1345
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: super high in the linebacker class, but I just saw

1346
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: a name that popped up, and Peyton Wilson is probably

1347
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: I think Eddrian Cooper has more athletic upside, but Peyton

1348
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: Wilson's film is really really good, a lot of injury history.

1349
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you, though, Jason. The more

1350
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: I think about it. I think it's just so risky

1351
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: to take a linebacker this high and you want to

1352
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: go ed, Judge, is what you said, Well, go to

1353
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: the onle lineman's Kingsley Sumataie. We already have at tackle.

1354
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: I forgot. We drafted what's the name of the first round.

1355
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 2: He's still there. Uti is still there.

1356
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: He's a football player. It's pretty good, pretty good football player, Bud.

1357
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 4: This is the benefit of of getting thirty six forty five.

1358
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna get in the teeth of like

1359
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: solid football players.

1360
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 2: So here's here's why I'm gonna say edge, Right.

1361
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: Let's do it. We do need multiple and we have done.

1362
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: This is also before free agency, so we haven't signed.

1363
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say edge because it's I think it's

1364
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: where we need the most help. I think just in general, right,

1365
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: I think that the talent here at edge, with the

1366
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: coaching staff that has been brought in, especially with Dan

1367
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: Quinn and what they do with defense, what we've seen

1368
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: happen in Dallas with their defensive line players, that we

1369
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: can take somebody like a Chop Robinson here and it's like, well,

1370
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: we already got our Darius Robinson, right, let's get another freak,

1371
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: and let's just have two just monsters that are coaching

1372
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: staff that we trust. That'd be pretty sick to get

1373
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 2: these guys really going. We've already protected our quarterback, so

1374
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: I think we can add another lineman or somebody offensively

1375
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: in our pick three spots from now.

1376
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we just go.

1377
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: I think we go with an edge.

1378
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: So think about this and let me just I don't disagree.

1379
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: I love that pitch, and I think that's a hunt.

1380
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: Un Mike, We're i'd I The other thing I'd say

1381
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: to that is what if we take also eight overall,

1382
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: we we restructure, we get rid of Charles Leno, you know,

1383
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: been good for us last couple of years. But and

1384
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: then we draft Jordan Morgan to play left guard, Like

1385
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: that would be pretty sick because talk about two guys

1386
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: that are fantastic athletes, very raw, obviously developmental to a

1387
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: certain extent. You mentioned Morgan's technical ability, but I don't

1388
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: doubt his athleticism. Same thing with Fashano. So then you

1389
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: get Vashanu Morgan, who you know, maybe Stromberg's playing center

1390
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: Cosme who was the best guard in the NFL of

1391
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: the last eight games, and Wiley, who is a tremendous

1392
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: athlete at tackle and a guy that needs to be insulated.

1393
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: But now you can insulate him because you've got athletes

1394
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: at the other spots. Again, they're young, but for for

1395
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: this gets us way better on the offensive line. Now,

1396
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I do think the deleaned the need

1397
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: of defensive line is a little bit higher though.

1398
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: So let me let me ask you this.

1399
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we only have two picks left.

1400
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Are we gonna go offensive line defensive line

1401
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: for this in any particular order? Or are we going

1402
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: to add a weapon on off?

1403
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: We'll go to corner real quick, go to corner safety

1404
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: and again, like I think all the good corners went

1405
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: in this smock for whatever. Okay, so Mike Sanders still

1406
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: is still on the board for Michigan. He plays nickel.

1407
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: He's kind of this linebacker safety. He played the star

1408
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: position there, so like Fred Water played that. He's not

1409
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: that size of player. I think he's six foot one hundred,

1410
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: two hundred and ten pounds something like that, but great

1411
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: ball skills, great ball production, and just a football player.

1412
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: Johnny Man, he's even smaller than I thought. He's five

1413
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: to ten, one hundred and five pounds, but a heck

1414
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: of a football player. I think a guy like Jayden

1415
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: Hicks from Washington State, who on this board is ranked

1416
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: as fifty six. He is tall, he's six to three,

1417
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: he's two well, his film is awesome. He will he

1418
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: hits like a truck. He's got great ball instincts. So again,

1419
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: I think the thing. The funny thing about the safety

1420
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: cornerback class for this draft is there some guys that

1421
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: maybe weren't like the most productive in college, but when

1422
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: you turn on the film, you're like, this is a

1423
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: good football player, and I think that's gonna push them

1424
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: down a little bit. So I think we can wait

1425
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: on that. I think the receiver thing, we've talked about

1426
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, like, maybe let's go to tight

1427
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: end real quick, see if there's anybody there that we like.

1428
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you can get a guy later

1429
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: that you feel better about. So I would say, yeah,

1430
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: it's either right now. It feels like at this point

1431
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: in the draft it makes sense. The positions of value

1432
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: are offensive line, edge, which is surprising because no one

1433
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: thought that at the beginning, and receiver. Would you agree

1434
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: with that? Zech I would say so, yeah, So I

1435
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: think it's got to be for one of those three,

1436
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: And because the receivers are so deep, I'm gonna say

1437
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: we punt on that unless you say, like we need

1438
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: a guy with an exceptional skill set like Xavier Worthy

1439
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: who's probably gonna run like a four to two at

1440
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: the combine, like really got some explosive vertical speed. But again,

1441
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: I think you can wait and get a guy like

1442
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: that later. So to me, it's edge or offensive line,

1443
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: and so it's kind of flip a coin here. I'd

1444
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: be happy with either one. I do think the rawness

1445
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: of Jordan mor Morgan gives me pause. And I think,

1446
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: if I really the pitch you gave me about two

1447
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: elite edge rushers, young edges, guys that have traits that

1448
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: can make each other better, I think you gotta go.

1449
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: I think it's chop here, chop chopper dse Isaac your call.

1450
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: And again, Joan Ellis is a guy that in terms

1451
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: of film, has it all in terms of past rush ability.

1452
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: So I think any one of those three guys I'd

1453
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: be pretty happy with. Feels like a little bit of

1454
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: a reach for Joan Ellis because he's six to two

1455
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty.

1456
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 3: Picks Chop last week.

1457
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: We did, so that's okay. Yeah, but but I think

1458
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: this is a good point though. So like if they

1459
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: drafted a de Isaac, I think thee Isaac's really good

1460
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: football player. I think chop ceiling is higher, right, I

1461
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: think that's what we're talking about.

1462
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: And I know I came off as a hater on

1463
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: Chop last no. No, but the reason I was pushing

1464
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 2: back against him is because he was the only Edge

1465
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 2: that was being drafted.

1466
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: This feels like a luxury this, this.

1467
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 2: Is a luxury pick because we have the other we

1468
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: have the two Robinsons.

1469
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so and I think Darius Darius is I

1470
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: got a crazy high floor and maybe the ceiling is

1471
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: not super high, but his floor is, and he's gonna

1472
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: be a good pro. Yes, And Chop could be an

1473
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: amazing pro and his floor is really low. So it's

1474
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: like this big various.

1475
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 2: It's a luxury pick. That's exactly right. So I'm okay

1476
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 2: with Chop here because.

1477
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: Of the luxury. I like it. Good. You've convinced me.

1478
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right, And now Zach you've got

1479
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: the hard part.

1480
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to stay in Edge.

1481
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: Are you look at you? Yeah? Because field draft.

1482
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 4: Darius Robinson cannot draft drop, which is still crazy that

1483
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 4: he's here at forty.

1484
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 3: Scroll down a little bit. Actually, just take tackles off

1485
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 3: off the board.

1486
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: Completely, No, look at you, just Peyton Wilson man linebacker.

1487
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: That's not a bad pick, dude, Brail and Trice. Bro

1488
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: we missed on Brail and Trice. I think he's way

1489
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: too low on the board. By the way, dude, imagine

1490
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: getting Brail and Trice And uh, for those of you

1491
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: at home, what well Zack's thing. Brillan Trice is six '

1492
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: five right sixty four or something like that to seventy Washington,

1493
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: big old hoss to seventy four. So him and Darius

1494
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: Robinson together just denting face masks and collapsing pockets just

1495
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: gives me chills.

1496
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 3: But you don't see him on here, But like, what's

1497
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 3: your what's your hang up on?

1498
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: Chris Braswell, Chris Braswell, Oh, he's gone, he got drafted.

1499
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just saying, but like what I felt like,

1500
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: I felt like there wasn't Everyone's like, Oh, he's this

1501
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: elite power guy, and I'm like his power is good,

1502
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: but it's not great. Oh he's got some elite athleticism.

1503
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: It's like it's good and not great. So he kind

1504
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: of is like this guy that's like a good football

1505
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: player but doesn't have chops juice or Darius Robinson's power.

1506
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 3: Went with.

1507
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 2: Deezer, Right, we got the bash brothers.

1508
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, brothers Darius. But but like to your point though,

1509
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: like these Isaacs, hec football player.

1510
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 3: I'm looking. I'm looking at a couple of players. Let's

1511
01:05:58,440 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 3: see Jonah Ellis.

1512
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: Go on there.

1513
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 3: I like him and my guy Marshaan Yeah, I say,

1514
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 3: Marshawn nelon Is.

1515
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 4: He's an excellent football player.

1516
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 3: So it's a little more see if I can.

1517
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: You're you're liking the deep cut here.

1518
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 3: I like Justin Justin to boyd V although he's like.

1519
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: He's like a defensive tacko.

1520
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I don't know why he's here. Caesar is

1521
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 4: another guy that I really like to get a really

1522
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:22,959
Speaker 4: good hand.

1523
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: On a so Mohammed Karma if you're looking for deep

1524
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: cuts guys, Colorado State edge has has the juice.

1525
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 3: A little bit of a into the third round, all.

1526
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: Right, Xavier Thomas from Clemson. Again, we're going to go

1527
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: injury this year, but later we're.

1528
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 4: Gonna go with Jonas Ellis, Oh, I like that pick,

1529
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 4: not going to have the bash brothers. Like like you,

1530
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 4: I think this is a really like he's a young

1531
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 4: guy on just about to turn twenty one, but like

1532
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 4: got a lot of really good upside and I think

1533
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 4: he I think he could be your guy that could

1534
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 4: really havoc on on pass a long time.

1535
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: One of the most devastating spin moves in college, like

1536
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,959
Speaker 1: almost Dwight Freeny esque, excellent or hand usage. His uncle

1537
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: played in the NFL, his dad played in the NFL.

1538
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: His three brothers play in the NFL. Dude's gonna be

1539
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: a good pro. The only thing you worry about is

1540
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: just his size. Probably has to be a stand up guy.

1541
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: But if we know one thing about dan Quinn and

1542
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: his defenses, he knows how to You just got us

1543
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: guys that can rush the passer. So I think he'd

1544
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: have an excellent role here.

1545
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 2: We got a guy like Ryan Kerrigan on this coach.

1546
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, help help him out a little bit. Helped him out, absolutely, Bud, Absolutely, Bud.

1547
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 2: All right.

1548
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: Jonny Ellis, Oh man, we're at forty three. God, it's

1549
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: so nice having these three picks like stacked up on

1550
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: each other. It's really nice. It's nice because who's available

1551
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: still Jordan Morgan.

1552
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we do, which is what I thought

1553
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 2: what happened. I thought it would slit.

1554
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, because yeah, Jordan Morgan. We just talked

1555
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: about him like a guy that can convert to guard.

1556
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean, if we really wanted to be insane people,

1557
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: we draft Kingsley Suemataia and have him play guard for

1558
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: a year and then bump him outside.

1559
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 2: Why not?

1560
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we could do.

1561
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 2: That, But what's the reason he not to do that?

1562
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: Why Morgan?

1563
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: I just think Jordan is gonna be a better He's

1564
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: gonna be like he's gonna be like Tyler Smith astually's

1565
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: gonna be like a really really good guard, maybe like

1566
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: a pro Bowl guard. And I think Kingsley Sue Mattia

1567
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: is gonna be like a good tackle and could be

1568
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 1: a good guard. I don't think his ceiling's quite as

1569
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 1: high because again we talked about the thing with Fashano

1570
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: in terms of athletic upside, and I think Morgan's gonna

1571
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 1: run well, He's got good decent place strength, you know

1572
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But he's a guy that I think

1573
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: has got some mobility. And then obviously Peyton Willis the

1574
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: linebacker from or UNC no inc State. Thank you. You know,

1575
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: he's still on the board. I like his film a lot,

1576
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 1: but I'm not taking a linebacker this high, I don't think. So.

1577
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing I wanted to talk to you

1578
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: about is that we're not gonna go with a wide receiver,

1579
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 2: although I was I was kind of hoping we would, Yeah,

1580
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 2: just just because I feel like we need that extra

1581
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 2: wide receiver with potentially Curtis Samuel not being on this

1582
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: round for sure needed though, I think we want a

1583
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 2: bigger guy.

1584
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, something that they don't have on the roster, right,

1585
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: But I mean, like so also just to kind of

1586
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: flush this out too, to your point, like Roman Wilson,

1587
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind if they drafted him because dude's going

1588
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: to run a four to two at the combine. Jalen

1589
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: Polk six ' to two, bigger guy, right, I love him,

1590
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: like really competitive at the catch. One got a little doll,

1591
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: I got that dog, Yeah, that dog, Ricky Piersaw, I

1592
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: mean six to one, but more of a slot guy,

1593
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: I would say, right, but a guy that can play outside.

1594
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: But it feels like johan Ish, Yes, very Johannah, and

1595
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: then DeVante's Walker doesn't catch football at the time, but

1596
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: incredibly fast. And then you get into like the big guys,

1597
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson, there's nobody bigger than him.

1598
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: So that's that's Johnny Wilson is one of those guys

1599
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 2: that I'm just like, I don't know what to do

1600
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 2: with him, but put him on. But he's mad and

1601
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 2: we're going to figure it out.

1602
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: Well, I keep going back to this.

1603
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 2: He's a wide receiver from Florida State, six foot seven,

1604
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 2: two and thirty seven.

1605
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: And the craziest thing about him is not even that

1606
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: dude has thirty five and a half inch arms.

1607
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 3: That's massive for a Receiver's.

1608
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: Like somebody said, who said it? Sikamas said this when

1609
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: he did our podcast during the Seaper Bowl. He is

1610
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: the Victor wembin Yama of receivers, Like exactly right. Yeah,

1611
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: Like he's just is And I go back to the

1612
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: dance presser or the interview did with us where he's like,

1613
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: I want guys that I want freaky traits and I

1614
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: want to find the best way to use them, and

1615
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: like that is they There is nobody nobody has ever

1616
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: played the game that looks like that, you know, and

1617
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: so that's really enticing. Then obviously Zach mentioned him already,

1618
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: Xavier like get like a bigger body down the field

1619
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 1: type guy. So there are guys later like those. So

1620
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: they're listed on this board and everyone's gonna have him

1621
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: differently at seventy one and seventy two, those are third

1622
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: round players.

1623
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean trading back like how we did

1624
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 2: and having all these picks at the top of the

1625
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 2: second round, I feel like we were getting in the

1626
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 2: luxury yeah at this point, which is nice. So if

1627
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 2: you have a Terry and you have a Johan, who

1628
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 2: were very confident in why not see what Johnny Wilson

1629
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: can do.

1630
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: But I think I think this is where like you

1631
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: go back to the big board and you say, like, hey, man,

1632
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: I want I want him on my team, right, but

1633
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: I can also get Jordan Morgan, Kingsley, Sue Mattaia, Peyton Wilson,

1634
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: who again on this board are a little bit ranked

1635
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: a little bit higher. Yeah, and then wait and then

1636
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: in the third round, or I could even trade this

1637
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: pick back hypothetically if there's someone here that I didn't

1638
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: really love, and then I could pick Johnny Wilson exavierly

1639
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: get in the third world. That's why it's it's so

1640
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: important to understand how the league views players. Yes, so

1641
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 1: you don't I hate the word reach, but it's like

1642
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: you want to get the best player you can at

1643
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 1: each spot, and you want guys that you think can

1644
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,799
Speaker 1: play football, which I think is important.

1645
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 2: But but yeah, so I think I'm down with the

1646
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 2: offensive lineman. I just wanted to point out those types

1647
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 2: of wide receivers at their year and like I just

1648
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about Johnny.

1649
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: Wilson, Yeah, and then go to the also just I know,

1650
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: I know the conversation. I know, I know if tight ends,

1651
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: like tight end is something people were talking about to me,

1652
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: like this is a class like Jared Wiley's not even

1653
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: on this list and he might be the best guy

1654
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: in this group. You know, Ben Sick, He's it's crazy

1655
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: to me, like he's way down at two sixty nine.

1656
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,520
Speaker 1: And I just saw on the football.

1657
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 4: Players not necessarily top of day too.

1658
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: Well, so what I was gonna say is like on

1659
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: this so this is a good example, he's two sixty

1660
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: nine on this board. I just saw four mock drafts

1661
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: the other day. I think one done by mel Kiper

1662
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: one done by h Daniel Jeremiah and he's the third

1663
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: guy in their list, right, So like, don't just because

1664
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: like you don't recognize like Theo Johnson, he's one fifty seven.

1665
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: He's probably the third or fourth best guy in this class,

1666
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,799
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, there are good football

1667
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: players at that position that again will be there in

1668
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: that third fourth round range. And you're like, yeah, we're

1669
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: juiced about those tight ends. So is it Jordan Morgan?

1670
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: I like King, I like Kingsley Sumataie a lot. But

1671
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: again you'd have to do a little bit of like

1672
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: and maybe you feel better about this, Maybe move him

1673
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: to guard and then you move Kingsley to right tackle.

1674
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 1: You get bookends for the future. Although I do think

1675
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: George I'm gonna go Jordan Morgan. I think his upside

1676
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: is a little bit better. I think his upside's a

1677
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: little bit better at guard, Zach, Yeah, at at guard.

1678
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: I think if you wanted to tackle, obviously Suematia is

1679
01:12:59,520 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: the guy you.

1680
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 2: I think you feel really good about our line going

1681
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 2: in the next season.

1682
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, And I think there is an option

1683
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 4: like if Jordan Morgan does develop and there's an opportunity

1684
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 4: for him to move over and tackle.

1685
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 3: You can try him out in training camp see what

1686
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 3: he does.

1687
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,560
Speaker 1: Kind of like the same Cosme experiment. I think you

1688
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: played tackle in college. You see a good athlete and

1689
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: then you let him fail at tackle because that's a

1690
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: more valuable position financially, and then you have a really

1691
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: good guard like you do with Sam So exactly.

1692
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna stay at tackle, are you Finally I'm

1693
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna stay there.

1694
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 3: And I got my.

1695
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: Eyes on your guys there though, two guys, two guys, two.

1696
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 4: Guys that that I see more of like as maybe

1697
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 4: short term projects with long term possibly success like it

1698
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 4: look at a King's assume tea obviously I like him

1699
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 4: and Patrick paul As are both kind of green. Yeah,

1700
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 4: but you talk about something that you can't coach. Patrick

1701
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 4: paul is six and thirty three pounds, thirty five inch arms.

1702
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 4: That's a massive dude. And yeah, he is technically raw

1703
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 4: on a lot of areas. But man, if he gets

1704
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 4: his arms on you and he sinks thans of them things,

1705
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 4: it's over.

1706
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 3: It's done. The rep is done. He's won the rep.

1707
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: So but also let me just point this out. How

1708
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: do you say his name the guy from al Can

1709
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: we try that one.

1710
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: More time here in.

1711
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: A megadj mega DJ. So he's obviously huge projection coming

1712
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: from Yale and didn't go to the Senior Bowl for

1713
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: whatever reason. Should have probably been there. But a guy

1714
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 1: that has got that athletic juice that you're looking for,

1715
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and so well, in much

1716
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,560
Speaker 1: the same way that Patrick Paul is a project, and

1717
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: I think Patrick Paul is a technical project. I worry

1718
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: about his footspeed a little bit. I don't worry about

1719
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: that with I'm a DJ, right, Like he's got some ability,

1720
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 1: so I don't like just because so fans no. And

1721
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: then Blake Fisher from Notre Dames, the other guy that

1722
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: I think is really interesting, played opposite of Joe Alt

1723
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: is a really solid college football player. It kind of

1724
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: reminds me of like Mike mcglinchy, Like he's not as

1725
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: good as Quentin Nelson was, but like, we'll make your

1726
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: football team better. He's not super flashy. It's not the

1727
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: ceiling of Patrick Paul, not the ceiling of Kingsley Summataia,

1728
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 1: but he like he will, he's a plug and play

1729
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: day one guy that'll grade C plus B minus for

1730
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: you for ten or eleven years in the NFL.

1731
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 3: I hear all that, and I love the public.

1732
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: We just we're just for sure these guys for sure,

1733
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: these other guys that are one.

1734
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 4: And I think all of those guys are really good.

1735
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 4: And I think I think you mentioned some of the

1736
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 4: plug and play guys. I think they've they've got that.

1737
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 4: But I'm taking a chance on ceiling here, and I

1738
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 4: just have a feeling that Patrick Paul's ceiling is gonna

1739
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 4: be a lot higher than some of these other guys.

1740
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: So what I would say to this, though, this is

1741
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: again going back to the big board and understanding not

1742
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: only your big board, but the league's big board. If

1743
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 1: this is if this is an analogous, this is PFF.

1744
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: So he doesn't know everything, Trevor Sickon hes smart guy

1745
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: doesn't know everything. This is eighty three here. So I

1746
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: see that eighty three on there, and I'm like, that's

1747
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 1: a third round player, sure, And that doesn't feel like

1748
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: outside the realm of possibility. So what I would say is,

1749
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: if you like him, don't reach on him. You got

1750
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 1: Sue Mattia right here. You can draft him again. You know, like,

1751
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: no one's going to be mad at you for taking

1752
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: two offensive linemen back to back, I think. And so

1753
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 1: that's where again like understanding the but if you want them, no,

1754
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: get them.

1755
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 2: And here's the thing too, that's the thing like you're

1756
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:24,600
Speaker 2: taking the chance.

1757
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 3: When does Washington pick again, Uh, we don't know there are.

1758
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: We have a third round?

1759
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it being in the third round. But you're also

1760
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 3: taking a bit of a chance and saying we think

1761
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 3: in the next twenty or so picks that guy still.

1762
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: And this is something else I would consider too, is

1763
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: like if you like, let's say, for example, Zach, you

1764
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: don't like anybody here right, Like you don't you're not

1765
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: in love with anybody, but that's your guy, trade back

1766
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: ten spots, yeah, and pick up another six or seventh

1767
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: round pick. That's where like the cause I know, I

1768
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: know there's somebody says, oh, I want Kingsley Suemataia, right,

1769
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 1: so they would trade up with you, right. Or there's

1770
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: a guy that would want name your defensive tackle, edge

1771
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,600
Speaker 1: rusher guy there, they would trade up for that. So

1772
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: I think that ability, Isaac, Yeah, that ability to move

1773
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: down with Patrick Paul specifically in this example, again, I

1774
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: think this is too low for him. Just to be

1775
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: clear with everybody, I think he's like the bottom of

1776
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: the second guy because of the upside. But people reach

1777
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: on those guys all the time, right, Yeah, So I'm

1778
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: not saying that this is a bad pick. I'm just saying,

1779
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: based on the the layering of it. If I really

1780
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: believe this and I really understand how the league views

1781
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: this player, I could trade down and make my draft

1782
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: a little bit better for him.

1783
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 2: So I want to say something real quick, yeap when

1784
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 2: we talk about like reaching or whatnot. Oh yeah, we're

1785
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 2: in the second round, right and we're picking top of

1786
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 2: the second round or Zax picking top of the second round.

1787
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 2: You're saying he's bottom of the second round guy, Well,

1788
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 2: you'd have to trade back, you'd have to hit exactly.

1789
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be exactly.

1790
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 2: But like I'm saying, you're betting that none of those

1791
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 2: teams that you trade behind are gonna want Patrick Paul

1792
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 2: and you have to find a trade partner to do.

1793
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 2: You can't just say, oh, I want to trade and

1794
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 2: like it happens, You've got to.

1795
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: Make Another thing I put to is like this is

1796
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: why I tier players, right, Like I tier. All my

1797
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: guys instead of doing a big but I do a

1798
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 1: big board, but I also do a horizontal board, so

1799
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: I cross position. And this is this keeps you from

1800
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: doing something like reaching for a guy like Patrick Paul

1801
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: and falling in love with traits, right, because if you've

1802
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,560
Speaker 1: tiered them out right, and you say, Patrick Paul, is

1803
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 1: I have him below, Kingsley, Suamataiah, I have him below,

1804
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: name your edge, Adece, Isaac, I'm going to take one

1805
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: of those players before this guy. Now, Zach's board might

1806
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: look differently than mine, right, so.

1807
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 2: The ZAXX board could we could be already be in

1808
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 2: that tier. So why not just because you're.

1809
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: Going to rain the tier? I mean, are you in

1810
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: the tier? Like after watching this film and stuff.

1811
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 3: I think so, okay, yeah, I think.

1812
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: So that's what That's what I'm trying to say.

1813
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 2: I'm wrong.

1814
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 1: If that's how if that's how he feels, I think

1815
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: that's one hundred percent right. And I think, but that's

1816
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: the thing about the draft though, It's like when you

1817
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: when I look at Patrick Paul, this is the thing.

1818
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: Arm length, the height, the weight, it's all there, foot speed,

1819
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: little concerning hand placement, little concerning foot speed, in my experience,

1820
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 1: is not get better drastically, you know, And so is

1821
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: he going to project to be that that guy, the

1822
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: day one starter that you're talking about, because there's a

1823
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: little bit of greeness there. To me, he feels like

1824
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: a guy who's going to be a swing tackle for

1825
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: a year or two, maybe ends up being a right

1826
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: tackle and then we'll see. But a more much more

1827
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: developmental than so any you know kings They SUMMATI is

1828
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: developmental too, which is developmental in a different way. So

1829
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is a bad pick. I'm just saying, like,

1830
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: this is why that scouting department here does such a

1831
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: comprehensive job of like rating players, because they also want

1832
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: to know, Like it's a thing. It's like, don't fall

1833
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: in love with traits, right yea, yeah, don't fall in

1834
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: love with traits because there are there are. This is

1835
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: the other thing i'd say is there's no bad picks

1836
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 1: if you can justify it. Does that make sense what

1837
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, there's no bad pick, and so like

1838
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: for this, it might feel like a bad pick if

1839
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: he gets in here and you know, he doesn't work out,

1840
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,759
Speaker 1: But on the day, if you had agreement and consensus

1841
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: that the coaches liked him, whatever, then go for it.

1842
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: Yeah good.

1843
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 2: And I'm just trying to say that, like if he's

1844
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 2: let's say we have Zak has a tier here and

1845
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 2: there's eight guys in this tier and Patrick Paul's in there,

1846
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you were saying, I think you can

1847
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 2: trade back eight spots and still get a guy in

1848
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 2: the tier in the tier, but in order to do that,

1849
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 2: you need a team within eight spots to want to

1850
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 2: trade back, And if you're sitting there, it's like, well

1851
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 2: why not, I'm already in my tier. I'll just get

1852
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 2: the guy I like the best of this tier and

1853
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 2: like there's no loss there. And I think that that's

1854
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 2: what Zach's trying to say. With Patrick Paul, It's like, yeah,

1855
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 2: I could move back, but that's why.

1856
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 1: Already got it. And I think the other thing that's

1857
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: important too, is like these are luxury picks, so if

1858
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: you want to take a shot, it doesn't need to

1859
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: be perfect. And that's the thing. There's no perfect pick, right,

1860
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: Like I could make an argument for Xavier' worthy just

1861
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: went to pick before you can make an argument why

1862
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 1: that's too high for him or why that's too low

1863
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: for him. Like, that's the thing. It's like, remember, we're

1864
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: all looking at the same pictures. It's just preference. And

1865
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: so for me, I get a little bit worried about

1866
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul. I have my reservations about him, so it

1867
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: seems like a risky pick.

1868
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 2: What can he do?

1869
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 1: Right? That's exactly right. But also the same thing with

1870
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: King zimsumatized. So it's not like either one of those

1871
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: guys are like locks. If you want to lock, you

1872
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: take Blake Fisher. But the ceiling is not very high.

1873
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 4: Jo go to Edge just real quick, and just want

1874
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 4: to double check to make sure there's someone out there

1875
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 4: that I don't like more that Edge.

1876
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everyone's been drafted. Yeah, oh you didn't draft.

1877
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: No one's drafted to d Isaacyetrice.

1878
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think's still there.

1879
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: I think if you went exactly, I think you'd be

1880
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 1: doing all right.

1881
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too.

1882
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: I I like, yeah, no, I don't dislike it. I'm

1883
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: just we're kind of talking because.

1884
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 4: My experience, I feel like Footsbee does get better. It

1885
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 4: depends on how much the person is dedicated to.

1886
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 3: Getting it better.

1887
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: Right.

1888
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 3: He's very wrong, Yeah, he's very raw. But again I

1889
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: think ceiling high.

1890
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 1: No, it's it's it's high, but I think the floor

1891
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:13,600
Speaker 1: is low too, So I think you're going, what are

1892
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: you doing sending the car?

1893
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 2: It is all right, all right, that's our mock draft battle.

1894
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:21,799
Speaker 1: Too, battle too. I feel pretty good about its. Actually

1895
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: smooth search. Did you see that one? We were just

1896
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: talking all this mess. Johnny Wilson went at hey, that's

1897
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 1: what ied at sixty four or something like that. Right,

1898
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: So smooth search is still going on.

1899
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 2: So he on his way. That was an hour and

1900
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 2: twenty minutes ago.

1901
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: All right, So just to review the picks, just.

1902
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go Selby, you go first.

1903
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 4: Who so went round one Bnix at quarterback b Nicks issues,

1904
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 4: but we still we still like him. Lab McConkie getting

1905
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 4: an easy option when he's when to give a man coverage.

1906
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 4: Joan Ellis get us a guy that can rush the passer. Yep,

1907
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 4: a lot upside there, and then Patrick Paul a little

1908
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 4: bit of a project. But the ceiling is very, very high.

1909
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 2: And it's also important to note it note we trade

1910
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 2: back with Atlanta, so we also have next year's number

1911
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 2: one pick, number two picks. So it's in addition that he's.

1912
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: And I think this is a perfect important This is

1913
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: a draft capital iteration of why draft grades are so stupid,

1914
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: perfect iteration because Bonex is a D right, but we

1915
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: filled the need. He was the best quarterback we thought available.

1916
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: Right now, he's not a D right, But it's like

1917
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: they but based on how this program works, it's like

1918
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: I had him rated at thirty and you picked him

1919
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 1: way too high. Same thing with Chris Paul. Like I

1920
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: like Chris Paul. I think he's a good Patrick Paul. Sorry,

1921
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: Chris Paul's brother. That's my bad. That's my bad. Vices,

1922
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: that's on me. But he's an F. But I don't

1923
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: think that's right because if if Zach had him in

1924
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: his building at that, yep, then it's not an F.

1925
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: If fits in need, you got to you got to

1926
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 1: plan for that guy. So it's it's just that draft

1927
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: grades don't mean anything. So I'm saying draft grades are silly,

1928
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,600
Speaker 1: and especially ones right after the draft. They need to

1929
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: do a draft grade like three years down the road.

1930
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Speaker 1: See what's going on there.

1931
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Speaker 2: Yep.

1932
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Speaker 1: Our draft picks are Oli Fachano at eight, Love that,

1933
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: Darius Robinson at thirty six, love that, and then forty

1934
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: Chop Robinson was brothers, what's up coach? And then forty

1935
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: three Jordan Morgan like, we just got so much draft

1936
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: for it's a very good draft. Yeah, I feel like

1937
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: you've locked down both both sides of the ball eventually

1938
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: for a long time. Again, I think this is another

1939
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: thing that we need to point out to is this

1940
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 1: is why getting all this draft capital, like even the

1941
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: even the extra pick from Chicago is so important because

1942
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna get you know, an extra really good football player,

1943
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: which is awesome. So but that's what trading back gives

1944
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: you is this opportunity to kind of say, hey, like,

1945
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: think about the team this year, surrounded with this offensive

1946
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: line of young players. I got to develop, no doubt

1947
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: protecting Sam Howe, got good scale position players, get a

1948
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: receiver later. Man looks drastically different next year just from

1949
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Speaker 1: the jump. So that's that's what trading back gives you.

1950
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Logan, So we're gonna be at the Combine.

1951
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 1: Yes, ticket to the draft. Man, we've got so if

1952
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna do like we did at the Senior Bowl, right,

1953
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna get gonna kind of review the day who

1954
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 1: did well and all the jumps in the running, give

1955
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Speaker 1: all your insight, and then we're gonna get some great interviews.

1956
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: We've got some great guts potentially lined up, so make

1957
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: sure you check that out. It's gonna be awesome draft

1958
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: combine exclusive content. The only and the only place you

1959
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: can get it is on Ticket to the Draft.

1960
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Speaker 2: Yeah, make sure you subscribe. You won't miss it.

1961
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Speaker 1: Yep.

1962
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Speaker 2: That was a great bock draft battle.

1963
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Speaker 1: Guys, it was awesome.

1964
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Speaker 2: All right, fans, leave comments, let us know who won,

1965
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 2: let us know who you would pick, Let us know

1966
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Speaker 2: if you trade back.

1967
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Speaker 1: All right now