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Speaker 1: Problem solved, but Don Tyler Murray that defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Break it on. Slammed the ground by foota baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: and nobody. Here's Paul Calvci. Well, as we've established over

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Speaker 1: the years, and I do mean established, hashtag, it can

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Speaker 1: always get worse. Yours truly is a living a pity

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Speaker 1: me of that virtually every day. Paul calvc over here,

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Speaker 1: PAULI Podcast, Darren Urban Scoffing and or acknowledging Danny Serek

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Speaker 1: over there. We may or may not have told on

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Speaker 1: this particular platform the scorpion in the car story, but

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Speaker 1: because it can always get worse. What is worse than

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Speaker 1: a scorpion in the car When you open the door

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Speaker 1: and it's right there on the dash and it's trying

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Speaker 1: It's it's not under the floor mats. You don't know

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Speaker 1: Do you not drive the car? What do you do

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Speaker 1: at that moment? But you know, what is worse than

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Speaker 1: a scorpion in the car is a scorpion in your pants.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's ants in the pants, and then there's

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Speaker 1: a scorpion in your pants. That was a great album,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Scorpion in your Pants. They were playing

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Speaker 1: the Scorpions at the gym the other day. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: are you kidding me? I haven't heard a Scorpion song

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Speaker 1: in like thirty years. What is going on? And they're

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Speaker 1: playing this at the gym and I'm supposed to actually anywhere.

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Speaker 1: You know, our headphones at the gym, I should you know?

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Speaker 1: That's like psychopath behavior. PA, and then the teenager, the

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Speaker 1: fifteen year old punk says, I have no right to

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Speaker 1: complain about the music slushion over the PA at the

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Speaker 1: gym because I'm not wearing headphones. I agree, so Harry,

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Speaker 1: But I whine about it anyway. Every single workout, if

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Speaker 1: you're there for about an hour, you'll get one a

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Speaker 1: CDC song. By the way. At the Mountain Side fitness

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Speaker 1: CDC song, And it's the only song that's worthwhile, by

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Speaker 1: the way, during the hour playlist. But why why am

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Speaker 1: I diverging from the real topic here speaking of a CDC.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure there is a bigger fan than our

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Speaker 1: Jim Amhundro, fine producer of Cardinal's Underground, and no bigger

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Speaker 1: victim than a scorpion in the pants and Jim Amhandro

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Speaker 1: I mean, for those who aren't familiar, we have a

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Speaker 1: Is a scorpion sting fatal? No, thankfully it is not,

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Speaker 1: And you know, hey, you've never seen a rattlesnake. Olms,

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Speaker 1: then don't move. Danny, we want you to stay in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: I shook out my pants and I killed it seven times.

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Speaker 1: So ahead on a swivel, Danny, Just like football head

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Speaker 1: This is true, but that was a sharp turn from

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Speaker 1: scorpions to how did you think of that with Wolf?

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Speaker 1: dripping with drama, including scorpions. I feel like rattlesnakes. We're

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Speaker 1: then a lot of question marks. Yeah, the good news

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Speaker 1: one through seven. They were in tiers six and then

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Speaker 1: tier seven. They were on like two teams to below

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, maybe the Falcons and the Seahawks Falcons, I'm sorry,

425
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Speaker 1: the last place Seahawks. The Falcons in the last place Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: They were below the Cardinals. Okay, I get it. You

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Speaker 1: lose Chandler Jones. You don't have a premier pass rusher

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Speaker 1: in name or necessarily a production. The one area though,

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Speaker 1: that I think they do have that they might lead

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Speaker 1: the league in is when it comes to motors. If

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Speaker 1: you're talking about Marcus Golden or Dennis Gardek and at

432
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Speaker 1: least the reputation of a Cameron Thomas and may J. Sanders,

433
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Speaker 1: you know, these are guys who are just non stop right.

434
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Speaker 1: They have is Marcus Golden loves to yell on the sideline,

435
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Speaker 1: let's hunt, you know, and they just go out. And

436
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Speaker 1: Calvanabosh himself mentioned that, you know what, I might have

437
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Speaker 1: had some talent. He's humble about his career, he said,

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Speaker 1: but what I did would have was that insatiable desire

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Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback. And I actually forged a

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Speaker 1: twelve year career just on having a motor so you try,

441
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Speaker 1: and at least I do. I try and tell myself, okay,

442
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Speaker 1: you know what, well, they may not have in premier

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Speaker 1: pass rush ability or measurables, maybe they're going to make

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Speaker 1: up in desire and motor and I am curious to

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Speaker 1: see how long how far that'll go this season, I

446
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Speaker 1: think too. Something important to remember is not every team

447
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Speaker 1: in the NFL has a Chandler Jones in their pass rush,

448
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Speaker 1: and teams find a way to get it done. Obviously,

449
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Speaker 1: that is a huge help to have somebody like Chandler Jones,

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Speaker 1: not only what he brings, but you know, attracting attention

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Speaker 1: from the offense and allowing their other players to do

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Speaker 1: their business. But my point is there are plenty of

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Speaker 1: teams who do not have the equivalent of a Chandler

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Speaker 1: Jones in their pass rush, and they still find a

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Speaker 1: way to get it done. It's interesting. I heard Lorenzo

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Speaker 1: Alexander in ninety eight seven FM Arizona Sports here talking

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Speaker 1: about that same article. Okay, Lorenzo Alexander, former Arizona cardinal

458
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Speaker 1: fifteen years in the league, played the outside linebacker position

459
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Speaker 1: and to a Pro Bowl year included in his career,

460
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Speaker 1: and he said he took one look at the list,

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Speaker 1: He's like, nope, because Aaron Donald and Phil and the

462
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Speaker 1: Blank weren't listed number one. In his opinion, Aaron Donald

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Speaker 1: and whoever is opposite Leonard Aaron Dontald in this case,

464
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Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd, who's a pretty dang talented player. I think

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Speaker 1: we would all agree, and we all know from experience,

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Speaker 1: should be in ranked number one, just because, according to

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Alexander, that disruptive defensive tackle is more effective and

468
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Speaker 1: more of a game wrecker than an edge rusher if

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Speaker 1: you get that guy. So that being the case, I

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Speaker 1: immanely thought of, well, what if knock on wood, the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals get a full season out of ninety nine? What

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Speaker 1: if JJ Watt is that guy? Sorry this year brief moment,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, the Cardinals got Aaron Donald. Oh I

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Speaker 1: should have said their own ninety nine. I'm sorry, their

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Speaker 1: own ninety nine. And so what if JJ Watt is

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Speaker 1: to that Cardinals defensive front. You know that they're so

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Speaker 1: sore la nobody's Aaron Donald. I'm not saying that, but

478
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Speaker 1: what if he can be that guy? How far could

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Speaker 1: that go? Darren? If j because we know what, guess

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Speaker 1: what the Cardinals record when they had J. J. Watt

481
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Speaker 1: was seven and oh and those last four games by J. J. Watt,

482
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Speaker 1: he really showed up in the box score. He was

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Speaker 1: really productive. I think that's I think that's a great point.

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Speaker 1: And I do think it matters. I think it matters tremendously.

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Speaker 1: And again, and we've brought this up before. The other

486
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Speaker 1: thing I think that matters is vance Joseph because he's

487
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Speaker 1: been through this before and he's he's went ahead. And

488
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Speaker 1: when Chandler Jones got hurt in twenty twenty and most

489
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Speaker 1: of the season, he had to figure out what the

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Speaker 1: heck was going on in terms of how he was

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Speaker 1: going to get the pass rush. Now they had us

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Speaker 1: on Reddick, and but at the time, nobody's thinking, oh,

493
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Speaker 1: you got Hassan Reddick, everything's good. You certainly didn't know

494
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Speaker 1: what Dennis Gardick was going to bring to the table,

495
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Speaker 1: and he really gave you a lot. So I do

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Speaker 1: think that the ability is there for some of this

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Speaker 1: to happen, but again, we're not going to know until

498
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Speaker 1: we get to the season. It's funny bring up Sanders

499
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Speaker 1: and Thomas and it's like I happened to be talking

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Speaker 1: to Marquise Hayes, the seventh round guard Oklahoma. Yeah, I

501
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Speaker 1: was talking to him for a story and I was

502
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Speaker 1: talking to him about you know where he kind of

503
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Speaker 1: is mentally right now, and he was like, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: happy right now, but I want to get to training camp.

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Speaker 1: I'm really anxious to get to training camp because we

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Speaker 1: have put no pads on. We don't know. All we

507
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Speaker 1: do is walk throughs. He goes, we don't know what

508
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Speaker 1: the speed of this game is really about. And that's

509
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Speaker 1: the thing about all these rookies is you can ask about,

510
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Speaker 1: oh who stood out and everything. They're not playing full speed.

511
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Speaker 1: They're certainly not hitting and they're not really playing full

512
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Speaker 1: football speed either. And so those guys, the rookies, they

513
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Speaker 1: don't know yet what what's going to happen, and the

514
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Speaker 1: coaches don't know yet what's going to happen in terms

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Speaker 1: of when you put these guys out there, what it

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Speaker 1: might mean. Yeah, Lucida Smith sat right there in that

517
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Speaker 1: same seat the other day, three offensive guard taken in

518
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Speaker 1: the draft. He said, you know what, Yeah, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I've had a pretty good offseason. Rookie minicamp OTA's

520
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Speaker 1: mandatory minicamp, but let's face it, we haven't put the

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Speaker 1: pads on yet. Nobody knows. I don't know, because I

522
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Speaker 1: asked him about the possibility what happens. He easily could

523
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Speaker 1: be going against the JJ Watt in a one on

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Speaker 1: one oh line D line drill, and he said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that'll be a welcome to the NFL moment. There's no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it. And look, for everything that we say

527
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Speaker 1: about the offense and how things just went downhill the

528
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Speaker 1: end of last season, let's not forget that the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: scoring defense went from allowing eighteen point four points per game,

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Speaker 1: fourth fewest in the NFL from weeks one through eleven

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Speaker 1: two from weeks twelve through eighteen, they allowed over twenty

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Speaker 1: seven points per game, which was twenty eighth in the league.

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Speaker 1: So think about that that first half of the season,

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Speaker 1: or more two thirds of the season, when the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: started ten and two, the defense was a top five

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Speaker 1: scoring defense, and then over the last part of the

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Speaker 1: season when they lost five or last six, they were

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Speaker 1: a bottom five scoring defense. To sum that up, So

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Speaker 1: you know, for everything that we put on the offense,

540
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Speaker 1: let's not forget it was both sides of the ball

541
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Speaker 1: where they really have to take a look at themselves.

542
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Speaker 1: And it starts with training camp, and it starts with Okay,

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Speaker 1: how are you going to generate the pass rush? Are

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Speaker 1: you going to get to the quarterback? And then what

545
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Speaker 1: are they going to do at corner? And there's no

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Speaker 1: doubt and after that, Danny then and by the way,

547
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Speaker 1: with Kyle Vanabosh, din, you're right there. We told him

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Speaker 1: he's right now, right here at the key between now

549
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Speaker 1: and camp because he's got to talk to his good

550
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Speaker 1: friend and Dominican Sue who he spent his first three

551
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Speaker 1: years with in Tennessee. And he's got he's got to

552
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Speaker 1: talk to him, Dominican Sue about maybe coming to the Cardinals.

553
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Speaker 1: What about that is a time time sign Paul has

554
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Speaker 1: found his new pet cat to bring to the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Pet cat. Okay, I'll go with it. You know it's

556
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Speaker 1: Kyle feeling optimistic that that could happen. Uh No, he

557
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Speaker 1: hadn't considered it whatsoever. So I told just another one

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Speaker 1: of Paul's he's gonna be on the Red Sea report

559
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Speaker 1: next week. So if Paul pencil Net can task big

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Speaker 1: Kyle Vanabosh with a homework assignment, and I told him

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Speaker 1: to get on it. That's what I told him in

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Speaker 1: edition to coaching his five kids at home to go

563
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Speaker 1: ahead and get on that homework or signing, because if

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Speaker 1: you haven't, if you had noticed on Twitter in fact

565
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: earlier today, Chandler Jones has been openly recruiting in domic

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Speaker 1: and sue to come to the Raiders. Come on, if

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Speaker 1: you're going to come to the desert, do it right

568
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Speaker 1: and come to the az You kid me. You should

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Speaker 1: be tweeting at him. That's a really good recruitment line, right,

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Speaker 1: Why not? You know? So do you think A will

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Speaker 1: there be a time time sign before training camp Darren?

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Speaker 1: And B? How many? And how many? Can they? Look?

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Speaker 1: They have ten million plus under the cap right now,

574
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Speaker 1: can't they afford one or two time time signs? Because

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Speaker 1: I think most people look at this depth chart and

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Speaker 1: they go man corner, edge, rusher center. Do they need

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Speaker 1: interior old line help at this point? I mean, I'm

578
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: totally expecting some signings, but again, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's going to be anytime soon. I mean, we're going

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Speaker 1: on hiatus slash vacation and obviously already are the decision

581
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Speaker 1: makers are too, So I don't know if anything happens,

582
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, right away, But I do expect something to

583
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Speaker 1: happen in those I don't know, that week before things

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Speaker 1: really get going in training camp, you know, somewhere in

585
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Speaker 1: the you know, July twenty second, twenty third range type

586
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Speaker 1: of thing. You did get hit in the mail bag

587
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Speaker 1: with Ronnie Hudson questions, did you not? Yes, And people

588
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Speaker 1: will continue to ask that until it gets resolved, and I,

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Speaker 1: you know, we just don't. Well, Danny asked me on

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Speaker 1: the Red Sea report. You know, are you concerned? Yeah, yeah,

591
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Speaker 1: I am. Anytime you go from a proven entity to

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Speaker 1: an unproven entity, Yeah, especially at a critical position like center.

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Speaker 1: I think we all learned the value of the position

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Speaker 1: itself last year. In fact, Steve Kim said during his

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Speaker 1: pre draft meeting with the media, he said, you know,

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Speaker 1: once upon a time, I was always of the opinion

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Speaker 1: that a first round pick should be spent almost exclusively

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Speaker 1: on a quarterback, a left tackle, a corner of edge rusher,

599
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Speaker 1: and obviously the inside linebacker spot the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: but he added center to that list just based on

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Speaker 1: what he thought Rodney Hudson did for the Cardinals a

602
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: year ago. So now for everything that Justin Pu has

603
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: been in the NFL, and that is an above of

604
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: average offensive lineman, highly intelligent and capable offensive lineman. If

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Speaker 1: you're telling me he's playing center for the first time,

606
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: and he shared with Dave Pash and Pash Podcast that man,

607
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Speaker 1: it is mentally challenge challenging. I mean, if Justin Pu

608
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Speaker 1: was saying that with his eye intellect both on the

609
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Speaker 1: field and off, then you realize, okay, there would be

610
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Speaker 1: a learning curve for someone just sliding into the center spot.

611
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Speaker 1: We saw the drop off last year when Ronnie Hudson

612
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Speaker 1: missed a few games due to COVID and injuries. Given

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Speaker 1: it was Max Garcia who was mostly filling in who's

614
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Speaker 1: now with the New York Giants. However, we saw the

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Speaker 1: difference in terms of communication and the snaps that not

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Speaker 1: having Hudson at center affected Kyler Murray and the rest

617
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Speaker 1: of the offense. So that's why to me, if we're

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Speaker 1: talking about crime time signings, I think center is now

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Speaker 1: your number one priority, and I think it would probably

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Speaker 1: be interior defensive lineman would be what I would expect next.

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Speaker 1: I think that corner because I think if you bring

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Speaker 1: somebody like an offer back, yeah, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: you would do that and do a time time signing. Well,

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Speaker 1: I agree, I think at this point. So that's why

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Speaker 1: I would say center, and I don't think any to me,

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Speaker 1: I don't think any position is getting more than one. Addition,

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Speaker 1: if you sign a cornerback, you sign a defensive lineman,

628
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Speaker 1: you sign a center, you're not I don't You're not

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Speaker 1: flooding in the The time has come and gone to

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Speaker 1: you for you to flood the position at this point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So any position look as of right now, until we

632
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Speaker 1: get more Clarada and Roddy Hudson, I think everyone needs

633
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Speaker 1: to be prepared going into training camp. You're starting offensive

634
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Speaker 1: line left or right might just be DJ Humphrey's Will Hernandez,

635
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Speaker 1: Justin Pugh, Justin Murray at right guard, Kelvin Beecham and

636
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: right tackle. That's that's the way I'm operating right now.

637
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: Because I didn't sense a lot of optimism in the

638
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: voice of Cliff Kingsbury when he had that brief exchange

639
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: with the media on the status of Roddy Hudson. We'll see,

640
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: we'll see, and then he's got to assess, Okay, does

641
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 1: that impact what we do on offense? As the play caller. Now,

642
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if Kyler Murray doesn't have nearly

643
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: as much time in that pocket to hang and let

644
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown get down the field, and maybe the ball

645
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: is going to James Connor and Dale Williams and and

646
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: Ninio Benjamin even more especially the beginning of the season.

647
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: In fact, here was a question posed by our own

648
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: Darren Urban and I throw this out here, Danny and

649
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: get ready, bigger impact on offense this season? Hollywood Brown

650
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: or James Connor. It seems to speak the style of

651
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: offense that they're gonna because who's gonna make a bigger

652
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: impact overall, Hollywood Brown or a guy coming off a

653
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl running back season and James Connor. I told

654
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: Darren before we started this podcast, I don't like the

655
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: question because because you don't want to go on the

656
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: record with anything. She's protesting because it's very tough it.

657
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: She's buying time, is what she. No. No, I've thought about. No,

658
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: I thought about my answer, and I'm gonna go with

659
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown. And I of course think that James Connor

660
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: plays an incredibly important role in this offense, and because

661
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: of that and how nasty he plays that's obviously what

662
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: allows those wide receivers to get time, you know, time

663
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: to get open, Kyler Murray, all that good stuff. But

664
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Speaker 1: when I was thinking of the bigger impact not having

665
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins for six weeks, if we don't have Hollywood

666
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: Brown out there, that to me creates a bigger hole

667
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: than if you don't have James Connor and you have

668
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: someone like Darryl Williams, you know, Benjamin kind of splitting

669
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: those reps. And so that's why I think that Hollywood

670
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: Brown will have a bigger impact because without him on

671
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: the field, especially those first six games, I think that

672
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: creates a much bigger issue than not having James Connor.

673
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: See I'm I'm also thinking the same kind of thing

674
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: for me, and it's it's it's too too faceted here

675
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: one with Hollywood I agree with you because not only

676
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: does it stick out like a sore thumb in terms

677
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: of how much you need him while Hopkins is out,

678
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: I also think that when Hopkins comes back, he's going

679
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: to immediately get everybody's attention, and then Brown makes a big,

680
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: big impact, maybe in a different way because now everybody's

681
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: going to be looking at DeAndre and maybe Hollywood Brown

682
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: gets a little bit looser. That's number one and number two.

683
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: As good as I think James Connor is a he's

684
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: there's got they've got some other pieces. In running back

685
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: tends to move around be he's bendinged up. So we'll

686
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: have to see and then see. Usually a player, I

687
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: mean where James Connor's biggest impact was scoring points last year,

688
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: and let's face it, there's usually a regression a little bit.

689
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: Not because James Connor is any lesser of a player,

690
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: But do I expect him to score eighteen touchdowns? Again?

691
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: I do not. No, No, I do not either. I mean, look,

692
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: I just don't expect that Cardinals to get off to

693
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: a seven and oh or ten and two start, and

694
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, be darnier the league leaders in scoring that

695
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: that contributed a lot to the total touchdown count. One.

696
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is again, I know we're talking

697
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: about defense, and you know I was sitting here ten

698
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: minutes ago saying, just because you don't have Chandler Jones

699
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean your defense can't be great. But I just

700
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: think we've talked a lot about still needing help on defense,

701
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: and so I think that could affect the way this

702
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: team has to play as well, right, probably have to

703
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: pass a little more. And again, this is not a

704
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: knock on James Connor or the Running Game or anything

705
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: like that. I just think that with how Darren kindly

706
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: proposed this question, it's Hollywood Brown. And look, as much

707
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: as I hate to agree with you guys, only for

708
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: the sake of it's not good podcasting, Okay, I mean

709
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: every fiber of my broadcasting bean wants to disagree and

710
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: stir it up right here right now, Bob, glad you're not.

711
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: But the fact that right, the fact of the matter is,

712
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: and I'm always going to regress to the mean that

713
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: is being genuine and sincere and being honest in my

714
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: honest take is that if Hollywood Brown can truly keep

715
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: a defense, honest, where did the Cardinals really struggle the

716
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: last couple of years? Offensively to me, just from my

717
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: ball in it without studying the film, it's when teams

718
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: are able to get away with a whole two high

719
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: safety look and keep everything in front of him. That's

720
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: when Kyler really struggled. Whether it was them using a

721
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: zone and just flooding everything across the middle and then

722
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: making him and making that much more difficult to find

723
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: the read and go through his progression. So now if

724
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: teams aren't able to get away with that because you

725
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: have a burner named Hollywood Brown on the outside, that's

726
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: not going to allow you to play that sort of

727
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: cloud coverage, and then boom, he's able to keep that

728
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: defense honest and truly stretch the defense. Everybody, Now take

729
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: the top off, then guess what he's worth his weight

730
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: in gold, all one hundred and eighty five pounds of

731
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: him or whatever he does. Way, you can exponentially worth

732
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: his weight if he can truly do that and open

733
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: things up. And now Kyler is able to hit zach

734
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: Ertz on a drag across the middle like they did

735
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: in the Houston game, and he goes up the far

736
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: sideline because they're so much space to work with, and

737
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: he's got a thirty plus yard touchdown. That's a best

738
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: case scenerio to meet with Hollywood Brown. And I'm guessing

739
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: reading between the lines of what Cliff Kingsbury has told

740
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: the media, that is their vision, right if they can

741
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: get Hollywood Brown to unlock some of that potential and

742
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: be that burner. So conversely, on defense, bigger impact, Darren,

743
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: you pose the question, So guess what you get to

744
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: answer the question? Bigger impact on defense this year's Zaven

745
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: Collins or Marco Wilson. Hmm. That's a hard one, isn't it.

746
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: Two guys coming off two rookie years. Yeah, totally different.

747
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson was pretty much a starter from day one.

748
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: He was a starter from day one. He struggled a right,

749
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: especially down and his quarterback passer rating against not good.

750
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: Marco Wilson, I'm gonna say this, Um, and and and

751
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: I didn't say this to you off the are, Danny,

752
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: but you would you had said a couple of things

753
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: to me off there. I was already thinking it's going

754
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: to be it's gonna be Zaven Collins one way or

755
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: the other. You know, you're you're hoping that it's a

756
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: it's a positive impact. But if he doesn't come together

757
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: to me, and it doesn't necessarily have to be an

758
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: inside linebacker. I mean, we've we've kind of talked about

759
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: how this has gone a little bit already with um,

760
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: what Collins and Simmons are supposed to be and what

761
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: we might actually see from them. So we'll we'll find

762
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: that out. But I think I think when you're talking

763
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: about a first round pick, And to me, that's the

764
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: separation on these You need you need Zaven Collins to

765
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: do that, and that doesn't necessarily mean he would have

766
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: a bigger impact. But when I look at these two people,

767
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Marco Wilson's going to have to play, but

768
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: I do think ultimately Zaven Collins is the guy that's

769
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: going to make the bigger impact because one everybody's going

770
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: to be paying attention to the impact that he does

771
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: make and you know exactly what it might be. Yeah,

772
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: the question doesn't say bigger positive impact, just says bigger

773
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: impact could be. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. Before

774
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: before you know, we started recording the podcast, was like

775
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: you said, either way, I think Zaven Collins will have

776
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: an impact, and you hope that it's positive. You hope

777
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: that by the time we get to the regular season,

778
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: the hopes that they have for him of being able

779
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: to call the defense, he's ready to do that. He's

780
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: ready to step up all the reasons that he didn't

781
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: get a ton of playing time last year. You hope

782
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: that this offseason has helped him enough to get to

783
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: that point to make an impact. I guess I'll go

784
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: with Collins on this one. This one's this one's hard,

785
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: it's a harder one. Well, because the other thing too,

786
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: is like I could put Marco Wilson up against a

787
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: lot of other guys on defense and you would probably

788
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: go with Marco Wilson because of the same kind of

789
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: feels like that's I mean, Marco Wilson's going to have

790
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: to play a lot, just like Buyer Murphy. I mean,

791
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: who else are you going to have a cornerback exactly?

792
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: So you better hope even though he's a fourth round pick,

793
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: you have to hope that he really stands out. What

794
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: was the batman villain with the question marks all over

795
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: his outfit? Was that the Riddler? That was the Riddler? Okay, See,

796
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: if I was ron Wolf right now and I was

797
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: looking for a nickname, maybe I'd go with the Riddler

798
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: for Zaven Collins because instead of the number twenty five

799
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: on his jersey, there'd be just be a massive question

800
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: marker and question marks. The way jersey numbers are, you

801
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: could kind of see a question mark coming out of

802
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: a five or a two. So right, just work with us.

803
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: It's like an inkblot test. Do you see the question

804
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: mark in there within the two and the five. Do

805
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: you see it in there? It's a rorshack test of

806
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: sorts on that one, because he is He's a massive

807
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: question mark. And I'm with Darren and we hashed this

808
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: out last week, did we not. I don't really care

809
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: if he's calling the defense or not, as long as

810
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: it gets called. As long as they're making the checks

811
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: and and they're buttoned up, I don't really care. But

812
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 1: I think everybody cares if he's out on the field

813
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: and making place. Is he a playmaker? Is he a

814
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: difference maker? This year? Your first round pick, Zaven Collins

815
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: number sixteen overall a year ago, that is the question. Eventually,

816
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: hopefully he morphs into a guy who can call the defense. Great,

817
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: but at the very least he's got to be out

818
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: there six four, two sixty pounds, sidelines and sideline making

819
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: an impact. Fair or not? Those are the expectations of

820
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: a first round draft pick, and again, fair or not

821
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: to Zaven Collins. The fact that the Cardinals let Jordan

822
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: Hicks walk and he signed with the Vikings and free agency,

823
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: a player who has proven on this defense at that position,

824
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: a player who was playing over Zaven Collins fair or not,

825
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: the expectations for Collins are very high, and that's just

826
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: the reality of him having to step up in year two.

827
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: And you're compensated accordingly. You know what, you are paid

828
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: like a first round pick, and you're expected to produce obviously,

829
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: especially in year number two when you come in. So look,

830
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: once again, it's yet another reason why I said only

831
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: half chokingly that Hard Knocks picked the wrong half of

832
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: the season to document. It's yet another storyline just dripping

833
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: with drama. Is he ready? Is he not ready? I'll

834
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: tell you this much. The first moment of Cardinals camp

835
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: where it's open to the media and they're going team

836
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: and you get to look at the defense and who

837
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: runs out their first team. Your first thing you're looking

838
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: at is twenty five up there with the first team

839
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: or not. You're right, You're absolutely right there, and that

840
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: will be under the microscope when we finally get out there.

841
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: So I mean, look, it's you know, and then you

842
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: just have the team. By the way, I have a

843
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: new theory as to what exactly happened at the end

844
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: of last year and the end of the year before

845
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty or my latest it's not necessarily a

846
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: hot take. I don't know if you need the take.

847
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you need the oven mits right now,

848
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, maybe just uh, you know, but just just

849
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: stand back maybe a little bit. Don't don't touch the

850
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: hot burner. You ever hear the saying that you know,

851
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: people are going to play to the expectations. And when

852
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: you think of last year, what was the expectation. The

853
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: expectation was to get into the playoffs. The year before

854
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: you had won eight games, the year before that un

855
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: five coming off the historically bad three and thirteen campaign.

856
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: It's almost like, now that I think about last year,

857
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: the Cardinals got to the point where they played to

858
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: the expectation of the season and then let their foot

859
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: off the gas. And because so many games in the

860
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: NFL come down to a touchdown or even less, it's

861
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: the little things that get you beat and maybe one

862
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: or two or three plays in every game. Most games

863
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: come down to guess what, that's enough to end a

864
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: season losing five of your last six. It's enough for

865
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: these season to get sideways after you do let your

866
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: foot off the gas. A Buddha baker who says, you

867
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: know what it's it's guys getting potentially maybe he qualified

868
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: it a couple of times comfortable with when the Cardinals

869
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: got to ten wins. And so with that in mind,

870
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: CALVISI Consulting, in conjunction with Paul Pickskin, has come up

871
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: with a following marketing mantra for twenty twenty two. You guys,

872
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: raising Arizona should be the marketing mantra for this year

873
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: because you need to raise the expectations and then the

874
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: team will follow suit. The expectation I mean, honestly, is

875
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: the ultimate expect You do exactly what the Rams did

876
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: last year, exactly what the Buccaneers did the year before,

877
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: and that is you play in the Super Bowl that

878
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: is being hosted in your own building. So what do

879
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: you do come into this year? You raise the expectations

880
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: and hope that the team will meet the expectations, because honestly,

881
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: that's what they've done each of the last two years.

882
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: They've sort of met the expectations and then kind of

883
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: at that point said all right, we check that box,

884
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: hence raising Arizona. So then if they met the expectations

885
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: for half the season and fell off, how would just

886
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: raise the expectations extend their good play? Well, you're extending

887
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: the expectation. I was the super Bowl is the last

888
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: game of the year. So that's that's that's that's the carrot,

889
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: the February carrot. That's out there, if you will, right.

890
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: I gotta say, Paul, I'm usually a fan of your

891
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: hot takes. I don't love this one. I love I'm

892
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: sorry oven met hot take. I mean, Danny, are you

893
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: even familiar with it? Was a nineteen eighty seven film.

894
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: I just googled it up raising Arizona. Nicholas Cage. Yes, yes,

895
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: John Goodman the only Nicholas Cage movies I've seen, our

896
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: National Treasure. I think we've talked about this when I

897
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: did my April Fools joke The Rock was you know,

898
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: I only know The Rock from like kid movies. I mean, Danny,

899
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: you can't put yeah, like two fairy things like that

900
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. Oh, No, I mean The Rock,

901
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: the movie The Rock has talk about the actor. No,

902
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: not talking about the movie The Rock with Nicholas Cage

903
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: and Sean conn See, this is what happens when you're

904
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: in a different demographic. Oh, that was the nicest way

905
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: you could say that different demographic different Yea DeKay All right,

906
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: So so anyway, that's that that that's that's my offering here.

907
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: As as everyone goes into vacation mode, some of us

908
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: are earlier than others. What exactly what Cliff Kingsbury say?

909
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: Three weeks and don't even think about getting a hold

910
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: of me. See he set the expectations of the media.

911
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: You're never gonna find me. Don't even try. I'm going

912
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: to be off the grid, off the map, ostensibly overseas

913
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: and uh, you know what, you're on a need to

914
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: know basis. You won't know where I'm at and I'll

915
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: see you come training camp, Darren. Can you ever do that? No,

916
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: I go on vacations, say, don't reach out to me.

917
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm not working. No, I will. I guarantee you I

918
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: will do some work on my vacations coming up. Ideal

919
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: there won't be podcasting for another couple three weeks, but

920
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: I will not not be doing any work. Considering the

921
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: travel challenges still out there in twenty twenty two, is

922
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: either one of you taking an ideal vacation because there's

923
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: a vacation and then there's an ideal vacation Danny, how

924
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: would you define your ideal vacation? Ideal two weeks abroad somewhere,

925
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: good combination of exhilarating adventure while also some relaxation on

926
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: a beach somewhere. I mean, because that's the thing right

927
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: now is and you talk about travel, you're not just

928
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: talking about pandemic or flights, are You're You've got to

929
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: be talking about economics right out too. Yes, the economics

930
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: potential to sit in an airport for like thirty six

931
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: hours because they don't have enough pilots, stuff like that,

932
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: all the challenges the airlines are facing. But yeah, the

933
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: challenge is real if you're trying to book something that

934
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: ideal vacations. That's why, once again, you've got to manage

935
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: the expectations. I'm just going back to the default setting

936
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: yours truly what I've said for ten years, it's the

937
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: six ses. It's sun, sand, surf, sour dough, seafood, SuDS.

938
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Those are the six ses. That's

939
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: that's that's that's an ideal. I mean, you're taking you're

940
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: gonna go to like the SuDS meaning beer. That was

941
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: trying to look for beer. You're you're looking for the

942
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: beach by the Golden Gate Bridge. Just you know, just

943
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: which By the way, I love saying if one of

944
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: my ideal places to go is San Francisco, I love

945
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: going there. Sure, But but here we go. I don't

946
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: know if I necessarily want to spend a lot of

947
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: time on the beach down over there. Well, no, you're

948
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: not going to Ocean beach necessarily to hang out. Now

949
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna surf and battle the undertoes. But no, it's

950
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: not a tropical very poor surfer. Very well. I saw

951
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: a guy. I saw a guy just driving to work today,

952
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: no joke, d driving on the one on one and

953
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: he had a surfboard on a roof rack, Like, okay,

954
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: next stop San Diego. Dude, where are you going? I mean,

955
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: what are you doing in Arizona with a surfboard on

956
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: a roof rack? Big surf? Maybe it was camera been

957
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: a big surf, would have been camera Thomas, big surf.

958
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: You're right, he could have been going to the man.

959
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: Maybe you're doing a big surf anytime soon? Should I?

960
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, you could. I've never surfed before. They're

961
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: tearing that down they already, Yeah, they shoot, I have

962
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: took heavy equipment to it. It's over. Its close. Yeah,

963
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: it's why do you guys telling me about this before.

964
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Did you know here's a little trivia for you. Did

965
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: you know that Pink Floyd played a show there in

966
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two and they tested the Dark Side of

967
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: the Moon on that tour, is before it came out

968
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: that one of the greatest albums of all time Pink Floy. Yeah,

969
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: they used to have a ton of big concert series there,

970
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: but especially back in the seventies, Pink Floyd blade there. Well, Alms,

971
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: are you sure? Is this the scorpion bite talking? Are you?

972
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: Are you sure? Are you you full of venom? Facing

973
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: my lips? My lips were numb earlier, and now my

974
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: face is starting getting numb, So I might be a

975
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: heading to urgent care after the there's a real time update.

976
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: It's good to hear from you. Though we weren't sure

977
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: how how you were. It's at least we go to

978
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: good status. Update. You're still going on a hiatus, SOY

979
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: has some time to recover. That's right, So okay, see

980
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: yet another storyline. If HBO's Hard Knocks was around right now,

981
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: they could be all over the Rattlesnake with Hollywood Brown

982
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: and the scorpion sting from our so it's a it's

983
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: a sting and out a bite. I've been corrected here. Yeah, okay,

984
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: all right, this sting, it's the tail right. See yeah,

985
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: I guess so you should know. I guess so it's

986
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, all right, any other issues items, uh, you know,

987
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: airing of grievances, anything, Danny, anything that I missed over

988
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: here that needs to sort of like almost going urgent care,

989
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: any other urgent matters we need to address here. Unfortunately,

990
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: I don't think I have any grievances to air out

991
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: with the two of you. I wish I did. It's

992
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: our last podcast for a few weeks, but don't worry.

993
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure when we come back together, I will have

994
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: plenty of a full list. Yes. By the way, if

995
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: you get a chance to Justin Pugh podcast on the

996
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: Pash podcast is a muscle listen. It's good stuff. And

997
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: there was one moment I learned something I did not

998
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: realize this. I'm gonna throw this at you, guys. I've

999
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 1: learned a lot of things here, including the Pink Floyd

1000
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, a big surf factoid that he was

1001
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: talking about. Okay, if you put a camera on everybody

1002
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: on the sideline. It's amazing how many players would have

1003
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: sort of a Kyler Murray expression. And then he used

1004
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: the term Eli Manning face, the former Giant. I was

1005
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: not familiar with that. That is a thing. I did

1006
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: not know the Eli Manning face, which is a hashtag

1007
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: as well. Manning face. Yes, and then if you google

1008
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: up Eli Manning face, there is a collection of I've

1009
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: just stell our pictures. How do you not know the

1010
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: green grabs the Manning face. I did not know that.

1011
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: Talk about tunnel vision, I did not know that. I mean,

1012
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: even though we played the Giants over the years, I

1013
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: was not aware of the man It even has its

1014
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: own its own Google definition, a phenomenon in which New

1015
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: York Giants quarterback Eli Manning has a bizarre or hilarious

1016
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: expression on his face, captured by cameras during games and

1017
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: turned into a meme by the Internet. Yes, I do

1018
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: want to point out too, unlike if you listened last week,

1019
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: we don't know how long BTS as Hiatus is going

1020
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: to be. We will be coming back together, all right.

1021
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what life would be life without the

1022
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: two of you. I mean I had an I guess

1023
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: I had an Eli Manning face when I got the

1024
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: news about BTS. You know, The New York Post explains

1025
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: it as a pained, perplexed facial expression. Yeah, and they

1026
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: say it's given fans content for countless sundays, a seemingly

1027
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: endless array of empty stairs and confused expressions that have

1028
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: generated scores of hashtags. The Eli Manning google that if

1029
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: you don't know about it people, because it's really quite enjoyable.

1030
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 1: They really should have a set action of the Manning

1031
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: podcast or the Manning cast, the Manning cast, right, they

1032
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: should have like they should throw up some of the

1033
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 1: stills over the years, and they he should he should

1034
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: feed that still, he should like give Peyton some Eli

1035
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: Manning faces during the Manning Cast. First of all, he

1036
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: dropped an F bomb this year, so he did? Oh

1037
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: yeah Eli did? Or pet Eli did? Ball Boy, I

1038
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: didn't know. Well, no, he didn't drive. I don't think

1039
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: he dropped the F bond. He put up middle fingers.

1040
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: That's what it was, Paul. If the cameras were to

1041
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: turn to you when you're on the sideline, what would

1042
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: your face look like? Well, somebody tweeted out one the

1043
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: other day. I was total folk. It was I was cold.

1044
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: I was freezing cold, and they then I had the

1045
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: hood on. It must have been Seattle because I had

1046
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: a hood on, it was raining, it was cold, and

1047
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: there was a sleep coming down sideways. So yeah, there

1048
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: you know the words endless array of facial expressions that

1049
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: would sum up, yeah, basically a game in the life

1050
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: of a sideline reporter because there's a whole bunch of

1051
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: things that you encounter during the course of it. No

1052
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: Eli has leaned into that Manning face before, you know,

1053
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: made made fun of it. But Tara might get this reference.

1054
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: But when there was one Eli or there was one

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Speaker 1: Manning face that was just he just looked like he

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Speaker 1: was dazed and confused. And when you're talking about and

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Speaker 1: it reminded me of do you remember on Nintendo Mike

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Speaker 1: Tyson's Punch Out where there was a character I think

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Speaker 1: his name was Glass Joe. It looked like, you know

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Speaker 1: how after he hit him a few times, like his

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Speaker 1: face started to get beat up. That's what I was like,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's Glass Joe in the flesh. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of speaking of Eli facial expressions, if if you've never

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Speaker 1: seen a Saturday Night Live Courtroom, Eli Manning one where

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Speaker 1: he does the emojis you got. You gotta check that

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Speaker 1: out on YouTube, all right, next stop, I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna check that out. That's good, Okay, all right, it's uh.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll work here. Is done? Um. I did

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Speaker 1: see this Wall Street Journal story earlier that shorts may

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Speaker 1: represent one way to lure staff back into the office

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Speaker 1: sis summer. I immediately thought of Craig Griolou. Yeah, and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I just that's not a good trend. I'm

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Speaker 1: not see anything. Aaron is a director level around here.

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Speaker 1: Every thing you can do to curtail the whole trend

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Speaker 1: of shorts, especially when it comes to Craig Griolu, who's

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Speaker 1: still listening to this point. I thought that would be

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Speaker 1: a benefit. I've seen. We live in the desert. People

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Speaker 1: aren't a lot of worse shorts. Is there something about

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Speaker 1: the word office place that you don't understand? Okay, there

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Speaker 1: should be a certain level of expected. Once again, it

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Speaker 1: gets back to expectations around here. I'm setting the expectation

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Speaker 1: high this year. Hence no shorts from Craig Griolu and

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Speaker 1: no second half fade for the cameras from HBO. And

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Speaker 1: hard knocks. I've seen better legs on a table. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there were, speaking of legs. Almost got to get to

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Speaker 1: Urgent Care with a scorpion sting on his right leg,

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Speaker 1: so we'll let him commence with that here on Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Pacific Office Automation see on July.

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Speaker 1: I love you all,