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Speaker 1: Back in the show. Bran Elberz here, Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Where's the deep voice?
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Speaker 1: next break. It is a Wrestling Observer Live here everybody,
Speaker 1: Bran Elberts and Mike SIMPERBBI and we got lots to
Speaker 1: talk about here today. EYSR will lineups for the next
Speaker 1: couple of days. SmackDown is tonight and we have got
Speaker 1: four segments announced for the show. We have got the
Speaker 1: Grayson Waller effect with Edge. We have aj Styles versus
Speaker 1: Carrion Cross. We have both of my children loudly screaming
Speaker 1: downstairs as we speak. We have Austin Theory defending against Seamus,
Speaker 1: and we have the Trial of Tribal Chief Roman Reigns
Speaker 1: as arranged by the USOS, and that's going to do
Speaker 1: a gigantic number. So I hope oozever's in charge of
Speaker 1: ratings coming up this weekend. We'll alert everybody to how
Speaker 1: that's going to do. But it's gonna do big. Probably
Speaker 1: three million viewers would be my guests. So that's the
Speaker 1: SmackDown lineup for Friday Night. They're at Madison Square Garden
Speaker 1: now Mecca they call it of Sports and Entertainment. And
Speaker 1: then we have aw Collision in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada, and
Speaker 1: the lineup for that show has FTR versus Juice Robinson
Speaker 1: and j White, Willow Nightingale versus Athena in an owen
Speaker 1: Hart Tournament Women's semifinal, Ricky Starks against Powerhouse Hobbes in
Speaker 1: an owen Hart Tournament semifinal, and CM Punk will be
Speaker 1: facing Samoa Joe And as we get going here, these
Speaker 1: are semifinal matches, so the finals of the Men's owen
Speaker 1: Hart Cup, it's going to be the winner of Punk
Speaker 1: and Joe against the winner of Starks and Hobbes, And uh,
Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna see which way they go here.
Speaker 1: But I got I got a lot of ideas if
Speaker 1: you had to, if you had to put a I
Speaker 1: don't know, who do you think is winning this mic?
Speaker 1: Where is this guy? No one can hear you, Mike yep,
Speaker 1: now now we can, Okay?
Speaker 5: Good? Well, if I had to put real money on it,
Speaker 5: I would probably say the favorite CM Punk, But but
Speaker 5: I would actually, if it was up to me, put
Speaker 5: Powerhouse Hobbs over Huge gigantically and it would I would
Speaker 5: have CM Punk do that. I would. I think that
Speaker 5: would be a great thing if you're ready to get
Speaker 5: Powerhouse Hobbs really amped up and started. If you're not
Speaker 5: to me, CM Punk would probably be the way to go.
Speaker 1: You see, I have I have two ideas, but they conflict,
Speaker 1: ah is the problem. Obviously. My first idea, which I've
Speaker 1: talked about, is that Samo Joe beat Cmpunk via some
Speaker 1: sort of shenanigan, and that builds up to CM Punk
Speaker 1: and Samoa Joe in Wembley in front of your seventy
Speaker 1: five thousand people, and then Punk wins that match to
Speaker 1: set up his title match against MGF in Chicago the
Speaker 1: week after That is my That is my number one scenario.
Speaker 1: And in addition to that, i'd you believe that if
Speaker 1: they do that, that they should do a thirty minute
Speaker 1: special on TBS or TNT or whatever you know, and
Speaker 1: do like a full history of CM Punkinsumojio with all
Speaker 1: of this footage they have from that Ring of Honor
Speaker 1: video library. You got it, dude, make a big thing.
Speaker 1: Make this out to be like one of the biggest
Speaker 1: matches ever in aw don't just end this feud on
Speaker 1: Saturday on collision. I beg of you. But here, see
Speaker 1: the thing is with that scenario, my other scenario does
Speaker 1: not work because my other scenario was that Powerhouse Hobbes
Speaker 1: goes to the finals and he has assisted in winning
Speaker 1: the tournament by don Kallous, and thus Powerhouse Hobbes becomes
Speaker 1: the Tank of the don Kallis family. But the issue
Speaker 1: with that is that in order for Hobbes, in order
Speaker 1: for Hobbs to win, that would require see him Punk
Speaker 1: to beat Samojo, which I don't think they should do
Speaker 1: on Saturday, and or it would require Powerhouse Hobbs beating
Speaker 1: Samoa Joe. And if you're gonna do Somemojo and see
Speaker 1: him Punk at Wembley, then Samojo should not be losing
Speaker 1: to Hobbs here in this tournament.
Speaker 5: So I guess he can put them over big time
Speaker 5: on the way to doing it. Though, Look, you don't lose.
Speaker 5: I know in your scenario you lose some off the
Speaker 5: fastball if you go in that direction. But if see
Speaker 5: Him Punk wins on Saturday, you have one to one,
Speaker 5: which then leads you into Wembley with the tie breaking scenario,
Speaker 5: the same thing we're talking about with Osprey and Omega.
Speaker 1: See the other option you have here is that Samoa
Speaker 1: Joe beats Punk and this sets up the the Wembley match.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you could.
Speaker 1: I guess if you do that, it's hard, dude, because
Speaker 1: either then Joe either has to win the tournament or
Speaker 1: Ricky Starks has to beat Joe. And I don't think
Speaker 1: that Ricky Starks should beating Joe. If Joe is going
Speaker 1: on to Wembley to face Punk and essentially number one
Speaker 1: contenders matches, what it would be not necessarily.
Speaker 5: Look, it's how you structure the match. People believe in
Speaker 5: Ricky Starks. He's a very popular guy. Same thing with
Speaker 5: Powerhouse Hobbs. Joe would have a little more work to do,
Speaker 5: where Punk would have a little more work to do
Speaker 5: with Powerhouse Hobbs. But as long as those guys come
Speaker 5: out of that match feeling as though they're on the
Speaker 5: level of those other dudes, then it was actually worth it.
Speaker 5: And you do have the bigger name coming out of
Speaker 5: it to win the owen Hard Cup.
Speaker 1: Let's see.
Speaker 5: You know what else you can do?
Speaker 1: This is this is kind of this kind of structure,
Speaker 1: it's kind of w W E booking. But here's what
Speaker 1: here's what else you can.
Speaker 5: Do complete opposite.
Speaker 1: Joe beats Punk, Yes, Ricky Starks hold on half our,
Speaker 1: Ricky Starks beats Hobbs Samoa Joe, and Ricky Starks in
Speaker 1: the Finalmjo wins. So not only would would samo Jo
Speaker 1: have knocked Punk out of the Owen Hard Tournament with
Speaker 1: you know, Punk and ftr's gimmick being the biggest fans
Speaker 1: ever of the Hard family, not only would you have
Speaker 1: knocked him out of the tournament, he wins the tournament
Speaker 1: and then you know, not immediately because you don't want
Speaker 1: to be obvious w W E booking. But Ricky Starks
Speaker 1: eventually gets a shot at Samoa Joe for the UH
Speaker 1: television title, and he beats him and becomes a Ring
Speaker 1: of Honor Television champion.
Speaker 5: But why would Ricky Starts be the Ring of Honor
Speaker 5: television champion. He needs to be just an AW property
Speaker 5: And I know things are wrong, so.
Speaker 1: To see someone Joe's an AW property. He needs the
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, but he is. Look now we're getting
Speaker 5: into semantics with it. But if you want to keep
Speaker 5: the roster separate and you want to keep things a
Speaker 5: little bit special, then Ricky Starks, I'm sorry, shouldn't be
Speaker 5: on ring of honor. He just shouldn't be first.
Speaker 1: As who says it's Joe versus Punk it all in,
Speaker 1: I can see all out with Punk getting that win
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Well, listen, do you watch the show on
Speaker 1: ho It.
Speaker 5: Could be the deciding match to lead into Chicago too,
Speaker 5: with Joe and Punk with something on the line.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's what I've been saying the whole time.
Speaker 1: But my point is all Wembley is clearly I believe
Speaker 1: going to be MJF and Adam Cole. They're in the
Speaker 1: middle of the storyline right now, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: They've got six weeks they're gonna split, and you do
Speaker 1: that first. And then so you're telling me that you
Speaker 1: would prefer that Cim punk faced Somojo in Chicago as
Speaker 1: opposed to him getting a championship match in Chicago, because
Speaker 1: one is gonna do way better than the other. Him
Speaker 1: fighting for the title against MGF, I'm afraid in Chicago
Speaker 1: is gonna be a bigger match than him and Somo
Speaker 1: Joe with nothing on the line except he's never beaten him. Surely, Yes,
Speaker 1: Now SummerSlam is also coming up August fifth, and this
Speaker 1: will be a record breaking show. It's going to be
Speaker 1: the biggest gate in the history of we That is
Speaker 1: not a WrestleMania. It is at Ford Field. And the
Speaker 1: lineup thus far with new matches added from the observer
Speaker 1: is Reins and Jay Usso, Cody Rhoades and Brock Lesner.
Speaker 1: In what is believed to be some sort of stipulation match.
Speaker 1: We have Trish Stratus and Becky Lynch. We have Oscar
Speaker 1: Charlotte and Bianca. We have Gunther versus Drew McIntyre, and
Speaker 1: we have a Ronda Rousey versus Shana Basler. Yes, Mike, yes,
Speaker 1: you get.
Speaker 5: Such a great joy slash inner turmoil over talking about
Speaker 5: that three way.
Speaker 1: For the because you know what, so much of this
Speaker 1: stuff is so well booked, but that three way is
Speaker 1: just it's ridiculous. Yes, she didn't get her rematch, Okay,
Speaker 1: I understand that she wants a rematch, but in storyline
Speaker 1: she was told you are going to get the winner
Speaker 1: of this match, but don't show up, do not interfere,
Speaker 1: don't be there. And she showed up anyway, she literally
Speaker 1: ruined the match, and in storyline, she is now being
Speaker 1: rewarded by being put into a three way for the title.
Speaker 1: That's bad booking, is what that is. Okay, that doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense.
Speaker 5: Get there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, don't have her get involved, have
Speaker 1: oscin Charlotte go to anything where there's not a decisive winner.
Speaker 1: And then Bianca, you promised me a shot, so I'm
Speaker 1: getting the three way. That's better than rewarding somebody for
Speaker 1: breaking the rules. I'm a father here, I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. Clearly a nonfather wrote that storyline. Oh, man,
Speaker 1: that's what happened there. Well, we got ratings after the break.
Speaker 1: Dynamite did excellent and NXT well it didn't. But it
Speaker 1: was the day after fourth of July and things happened.
Speaker 1: It was a fourth of July. Oh it died, but
Speaker 1: it actually you know what app after the break?
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike Simper VV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Man, I got don't make the twitch chat worse than
Speaker 1: the old YouTube chat. Everybody, even Daggan here is on
Speaker 1: my nerves today.
Speaker 5: Oh man, I refuse to watch.
Speaker 1: A Vince McMahon book show in twenty twenty three. Well,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna because he's not booking the show. Well,
Speaker 1: he's got a couple of segments he does here and there,
Speaker 1: he's got input, but Paul is still booking the show.
Speaker 1: And uh, and that's from the people there, And it's albvious.
Speaker 1: It's also obviously you actually watch it. If you don't
Speaker 1: watch it, you can cherry pick things it sounds stupid
Speaker 1: and then say that the whole show is stupid, but
Speaker 1: it's actually not. I would say that eighty percent of
Speaker 1: it is. Uh is good. At XT this week, by
Speaker 1: the way, at XT was was a good show. And uh,
Speaker 1: another one here goes there's nothing work person ratings talk. Actually,
Speaker 1: you know, rating sock isn't bad if you don't listen
Speaker 1: to idiots, like if you listen to the guys on Twitter,
Speaker 1: they go nobody cared about eighteen and forty nine, jilaw started.
Speaker 1: Actually they were talking about eighteen to forty nine and
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, and it was wwue that was
Speaker 1: talking about. In two thousand and three, they sent out
Speaker 1: press releases about the eighteen and forty nine number that
Speaker 1: was twenty years ago.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, how about forever since advertisers want, you know,
Speaker 5: rich people with money, especially young, to buy things. Then
Speaker 5: when they're old, they just kind of change up how
Speaker 5: they advertise to them. That's how this works.
Speaker 1: Now NXT, Now that I realized it was on the
Speaker 1: fourth of July, this was a great number, five hundred
Speaker 1: and eight thousand viewers, which was the los audience total
Speaker 1: for an episode in USA history.
Speaker 5: But uh bro, they have a cocoon around them. There
Speaker 5: is no real world thing that gets into the heads
Speaker 5: of some of these NXT viewers, especially the ones that
Speaker 5: are over fifty years old. That actually, I have no
Speaker 5: idea what the demo numbers were. Was that actually where
Speaker 5: it usually is?
Speaker 1: And XC drawing a point thirteen on the fourth of
Speaker 1: July is is actually excellent because they had shows were
Speaker 1: down in the like the point oh eight area at
Speaker 1: their worst, and a point thirteen is is very good
Speaker 1: for NXT. That's eighteen forty nine. And uh man, that
Speaker 1: point thirteen is popular because Collision did a point thirteen
Speaker 1: and Rampage to the point thirteen and U and this
Speaker 1: NXT show did a point thirteen, So point thirteen's all
Speaker 1: around this week, but that's a good number given the day.
Speaker 1: And Dynamite did very well eight hundred and fifty five
Speaker 1: thousand viewers and a point twenty nine which is up
Speaker 1: twenty one percent from a week ago and coming after
Speaker 1: the fourth of July, they were number one on all
Speaker 1: of cable, so an excellent showing from aw And for
Speaker 1: those of you that don't like this, Despicable almost did
Speaker 1: a very bad word. Yes, that Don Chris Jericho segment
Speaker 1: was the highest gaining segment on the entire show. Now
Speaker 1: he'll never shut up about it.
Speaker 5: You know what Point one three also is, it's gonna
Speaker 5: be your blood alcohol level after a couple of days
Speaker 5: of screaming kids out camping.
Speaker 1: M Dagan just did a whole big thing here. Maybe
Speaker 1: I should let him call in. He says, I don't
Speaker 1: have time to watch WWE, especially with Vince running the show.
Speaker 1: Didn't Brian just rant about that, getting mad at someone
Speaker 1: for not watching something. No, Dagan, I'm mad at you
Speaker 1: not because you're not watching WWE, but because you keep
Speaker 1: insisting that Vince is running the show and he's not
Speaker 1: and you're not even watching it to like, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not not watch the show and tell me how
Speaker 1: the quality of the show. I'm watching it every week,
Speaker 1: and Mike is and all the people that watch it
Speaker 1: are gonna tell you something and you're insisting it's not true,
Speaker 1: but you're not watching it. He's not booking the show.
Speaker 1: There's a segment here or there that clearly has his
Speaker 1: fingerprints on it, but it is a segment here or there.
Speaker 1: The majority of the show, the vast majority of the show,
Speaker 1: is Paul booking the show. And it is miles better,
Speaker 1: miles better than it was two years ago or even
Speaker 1: a year ago. So don't argue with me about it.
Speaker 1: You don't have to watch it, but don't not watch
Speaker 1: it and then tell me about it. That's the point.
Speaker 1: I don't sit here and tell Jingle about Stardom. If
Speaker 1: I watch a show, I'll review it. If I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna see here and tight about Stardom's last month because
Speaker 1: I didn't see any of it, that would be crazy.
Speaker 5: Dagan. If you want to say that you don't want
Speaker 5: to watch a Vince McMahon influence product.
Speaker 1: I'm opening the phone lines for Dagan. If you only
Speaker 1: Dagan is allowed to call hold on a second, good talk.
Speaker 5: I am if you want to say that you don't
Speaker 5: want to watch a Vince McMahon led product because he's
Speaker 5: back with the company where is okay, but day is
Speaker 5: not booking the company day to day. He tends to
Speaker 5: screw things up by sticking things in last minute. We've
Speaker 5: heard about that since the day after russell Mania. But
Speaker 5: but he is not booking this thing. And there are
Speaker 5: fingerprints of other people all over this show.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna see if I can do this without
Speaker 1: even listening with says, because I want people to know
Speaker 1: all these secret messages.
Speaker 5: You're right, and they will pick up on the tone
Speaker 5: gimmick too, I believe, So you gotta be careful about that.
Speaker 1: Let's see if I can do this all.
Speaker 5: Right right now. For everybody who is listening terrestrially, i'd
Speaker 5: like to thank you for listening via podcast right now.
Speaker 1: Brian is uh, oh my gosh, it worked firing up.
Speaker 1: I can't believe he's here just for only for Dagan.
Speaker 1: I only want to hear from Dagan and explain himself.
Speaker 1: I want, yeah, I want Dagan to explain himself. I
Speaker 1: want him to tell me more about this show. He
Speaker 1: doesn't watch you got it?
Speaker 5: Dagan.
Speaker 1: And then once you do that, maybe I'll let you
Speaker 1: talk about something else too, if you want to talk
Speaker 1: about uh, I don't know, well no, maybe, yeah, look
Speaker 1: about how about the Juggalos. Well you have to impress
Speaker 1: because Tom sure like that Juggalo show.
Speaker 5: I'm sure he did.
Speaker 8: He was.
Speaker 1: He's still covered in fago right now. I'm I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: He's drenched. I couldn't get it out of him.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: All right, Diagan, let's hear it.
Speaker 4: Brother, you're you're really, you're seriously, yes, you're making me
Speaker 4: stop making my coffee for five minutes.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta red hot line here, just like
Speaker 1: in those old cartoons. You got a red hotline straight
Speaker 1: to the show.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, So so let me just ask you something, Brian,
Speaker 4: After all this time of you saying that Vince Mickman
Speaker 4: is back, Vince smick Man is running the show. Vin
Speaker 4: sick Man is doing all this stuff. You're not suddenly
Speaker 4: telling me he's not running.
Speaker 1: No, don't don't do this, Dagan. When when WrestleMania occurred.
Speaker 1: The night after WrestleMania, Vince showed up and he tore
Speaker 1: the entire script up, and he rewrote everything, and the
Speaker 1: show was awful. It was a total Vince McMahon show.
Speaker 1: And the next day, the next day, I factually he's back,
Speaker 1: which he was, okay, then he went home and all
Speaker 1: of the shows afterwards, with maybe one exception, I think
Speaker 1: there's been one or two exceptions where he's actually torn
Speaker 1: up the whole script beforehand. He's not doing any of that.
Speaker 1: He's not doing any of that. It's exactly the same
Speaker 1: as it was before wrestle made. It's exactly the same.
Speaker 1: There was one SmackDown. There was one smack down two
Speaker 1: weeks ago where they announced the whole card and then
Speaker 1: they didn't do any of it. That was Vince. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now they did end up doing them the week after,
Speaker 1: but that was a Vince show. But those are two shows.
Speaker 1: What is it, July seven, So we have made you
Speaker 1: in three months, there have been two shows that have
Speaker 1: been Vince shows. The rest have been exactly the same
Speaker 1: as they were before. So do not cherry pick, Dagan,
Speaker 1: Do not say, do not take two shows and extrapolated
Speaker 1: to the last three months. That would be wrong.
Speaker 4: Get them Okay, Okay, so I'm not I'm not cherry
Speaker 4: picking here, but but let me just put this out there.
Speaker 4: There is always the chance, now that Vince McMahon is
Speaker 4: back as CEO of w W or whatever the title
Speaker 4: is now, that he will even if it's only a
Speaker 4: couple of shows here and there. I can remember reports
Speaker 4: like last week that he was at RAW and changing
Speaker 4: things here and there and tearing up the script. There's
Speaker 4: going to be a chance. So what I'm saying is
Speaker 4: there's always going to be a chance that Vince McMahon
Speaker 4: will come in the day of the show and be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is my show now and change all the booking
Speaker 4: and tear off all the scripts. Right, could what's happened
Speaker 4: since he's come back?
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right?
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, So with that chance always looming, there's always
Speaker 4: going to be that threat. I don't personally want to
Speaker 4: take time out of my day to watch the show because, okay,
Speaker 4: there's so much other wrestling to watch. That's the fans.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 5: If you.
Speaker 1: If you say I don't want to watch w w
Speaker 1: E because I run the risk of watching a show
Speaker 1: that Vince is in charge of, fine, that's absolutely fine.
Speaker 1: But can you say that I'm not watching the show
Speaker 1: because Vince is running the show. That is factually incorrect.
Speaker 1: That's the issue that I have. No, it's not the
Speaker 1: same thing. He's not running the show.
Speaker 5: Has the ability to which he has, but he's not.
Speaker 1: Doing that, and so he's not doing that, so you
Speaker 1: cannot say that he is when he's not. That's the point.
Speaker 5: He is running the show.
Speaker 1: He will do I'm sure he will do that again.
Speaker 1: He might do that the night after WrestleMania. He might
Speaker 1: have done that at WrestleMania for particular match this year.
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is him changing a
Speaker 1: thing or two or a show or two occasionally. Is
Speaker 1: very different from saying he is running the show, because
Speaker 1: I have watched it when he is running the show
Speaker 1: and he is not running the show. Now, he has
Speaker 1: influence over the show. But you know what, Paul Hayman
Speaker 1: has influence over the show, and there are other people
Speaker 1: that have influence over the show. So that would be
Speaker 1: like if if there were you know, there was a
Speaker 1: show that had the is Paul Hayman influence and I
Speaker 1: came on the on the air and I said, Paul
Speaker 1: Hayman's running the show. Well, he's not, just because he
Speaker 1: influenced a storyline or two, or just because he wrote
Speaker 1: a show or two does not mean he's running the show.
Speaker 1: It means he ran a segment on a show or
Speaker 1: a storyline. That's exactly what Vince is doing right now.
Speaker 1: What Vince is doing right now is what Paul Hayman
Speaker 1: is doing right now. They're both doing the exact same thing.
Speaker 5: They have some.
Speaker 1: Influence over this, some influence over that. They all changes
Speaker 1: for that, but they're not running the show, neither of them.
Speaker 1: So this is exactly the same thing. Would you like
Speaker 1: to stick around and talk about something else naked?
Speaker 7: Sure?
Speaker 5: Why not?
Speaker 1: All right? Stick around?
Speaker 4: I love you guys too much to hang up.
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Speaker 2: and Mike semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Back here on the show, I'm dying. I'm dying. I
Speaker 1: need a big padded wall to just bang, bang, bang
Speaker 1: bang my head on Letting Go over videos. I noted
Speaker 1: here that everybody that disagrees with me about this admits
Speaker 1: that they don't even watch it now, and so I said,
Speaker 1: you know, then Letting Goes, Well, why don't we watch it?
Speaker 1: And I said, well, you quit watching because it was
Speaker 1: probably over a year ago when it sucked, and now
Speaker 1: everyone is coming into the chat going I quit in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. I quit because of Saudi. I quit because
Speaker 1: of KOFE rattling off a list of things that were
Speaker 1: done years ago, not keeping any of the last nine
Speaker 1: months ten months a chance at all and deciding that
Speaker 1: it must suck exactly the same. And meanwhile, the people
Speaker 1: in the chad that are actually watching the show, they'll
Speaker 1: all tell you the exact same thing. I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: It is miles and Miles better Like anyway, Dangan talk
Speaker 1: about something else?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we've had enough of w W talk
Speaker 4: for the day. You guys want to talk about blood
Speaker 4: and guts because I'm pretty hype for the show. I'm
Speaker 4: going to be attending that wive and uh, I'm just curious.
Speaker 4: So we're all kind of under the impression that Coda
Speaker 4: of Boushi is most likely going to be the mystery
Speaker 4: partner for the Elite, right I would be yeah, yes,
Speaker 4: So I think there are several potential options in play
Speaker 4: for the BCC's fifth member. And I think you're you're
Speaker 4: going to talk about Wheeler Yuda's injury and stuff too.
Speaker 4: It seems like he's gonna be okay, and.
Speaker 1: You have suffered a a U. I think it was
Speaker 1: like a partially torn hamstring, but uh, it's it was
Speaker 1: described to me as basically exactly the same as what
Speaker 1: Moxley had for like six months and he never missed
Speaker 1: a day. He just taped it up for every show
Speaker 1: and uh and was out there working. Now. Granted this
Speaker 1: is this is John Moxley here, but I think the
Speaker 1: Wheeler can tape it up and get out.
Speaker 4: There, gotcha. So the first name that comes to mind
Speaker 4: for me for the BCC's mystery partner, and I want
Speaker 4: to see what you guys think about this, Chris Jericho.
Speaker 4: Chris Jericho has been in every Bought and Guts match
Speaker 4: so far, and given what they kind of set up
Speaker 4: on Dynamite this week, that's kind of the first name
Speaker 4: that came to mind. But yeah, that's that's kind of
Speaker 4: all I got for now.
Speaker 1: All Right, Dagan, thanks for the call here on the hotline.
Speaker 1: You're welcome on the dig in Line. Yeah, we'll see
Speaker 1: it ends up being. I think they should put that
Speaker 1: titanium cast that Cody has on Brian's arm and just
Speaker 1: send him out there. He'll be all right. I mean,
Speaker 1: isn't that thing indestructible or something like that. That's what
Speaker 1: they explained to us.
Speaker 5: Brian Danielson running his mouth during the breaks on the shows.
Speaker 5: For those people who are only listening by audio, if
Speaker 5: you're not a twitch or a YouTube homie. You don't
Speaker 5: get to see Brian Danielson at the press conference running
Speaker 5: down Nigel saying, man, you can't get back into shape
Speaker 5: to face me. I don't know, Daniel, for as much
Speaker 5: as you keep getting hurt, you know, maybe Nigel can
Speaker 5: come back and do some damage to you. But you know,
Speaker 5: you could do a lot of pre tapes if you
Speaker 5: wanted to with Daniel, Brian into that I mean with
Speaker 5: Brian Danielson into that thing as well too, because there
Speaker 5: are going to be I'm sure plenty of you know,
Speaker 5: gimmicks a lah Adam Page riding the horse in. Maybe
Speaker 5: not to that level because we're not in you know,
Speaker 5: COVID times or anything like that, but I could see
Speaker 5: some wackiness taking place with some pre tapes.
Speaker 1: Heys, Chicago had enough wrestling because now you're gonna get
Speaker 1: Survivor Series. It is going to be held to the
Speaker 1: All State Arena, Rosemont, Illinois, November twenty fifth, smack down
Speaker 1: to the All State Arena November twenty fourth. And you
Speaker 1: know what's fascinating about this, They're gonna put tickets on
Speaker 1: sale for this show on July nineteenth, So they're gonna
Speaker 1: have tickets on sale for the November Survivor series, probably
Speaker 1: quite a while before AW puts tickets on sale for
Speaker 1: their show Labor Day weekend, also in Chicago. So that's
Speaker 1: that's what it is.
Speaker 5: It's very interesting considering they have gone with this philosophy
Speaker 5: of not announcing shows and kind of putting shows on sale,
Speaker 5: you know, relatively close to the date where they're going
Speaker 5: to hold it, and making that announcement. Here they're doing
Speaker 5: it way far out. So yeah, that is a very
Speaker 5: interesting change of pace to how they've been doing things.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure they're thinking they're being very big brained
Speaker 5: about it and really are going to pluck from those
Speaker 5: people going to the AW show, But I tend to
Speaker 5: doubt that one when it comes to AW in Chicago.
Speaker 1: So we've got ford Field Summer Slam on August fifth,
Speaker 1: and we have got Payback at the You know, you're
Speaker 1: old when you see all these arena names here, Like,
Speaker 1: what is that payback? Is it the PPG Paints Arena
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: You're not a hockey fan. Call it the Igloo?
Speaker 1: What did it used to be?
Speaker 5: Is it new? Well, it's it replaced the Civic Arena.
Speaker 5: That Okay, there you go, old Igloo. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I made it a smaller building. So now Dusty Rhoads
Speaker 5: and like Big Bubba will always hold the record in
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh unless they run a stadium show there because that
Speaker 5: was the last time in that building. That was the
Speaker 5: biggest amount they did. Now they're in a smaller spot.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I like Baltimore Arena where they ran for
Speaker 5: Raw this past Monday. I think they call it the
Speaker 5: I don't know, the CFBG and E or whatever arena.
Speaker 5: The thing is, it's still the same Baltimore Arena, still
Speaker 5: the same Baltimore Civic Center that's been there since the sixties.
Speaker 5: It's gotta be besides the Garden, the only building wwfwwe
Speaker 5: runs in that's that old. I mean everybody else, every
Speaker 5: other city has gotten a new building.
Speaker 1: And we've got the fast Lane Show on October seventh
Speaker 1: at the gained Bridge field House in Indianapolish. Those love
Speaker 1: these field houses. Mart is it the eighteen hundreds. It's
Speaker 1: gotta be at the field.
Speaker 5: House, Frank, big basketball town.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: And then we've got Survivor Series in Rosemont, Illinois at
Speaker 1: the All State Arena.
Speaker 5: Used to be the Horizon now it's the All State Arena.
Speaker 1: Got the Rosemont Horizon.
Speaker 5: I am the Ancient Survivor Series eighty seven, right, I
Speaker 5: am ancient.
Speaker 1: By the way, that big old ball in Las Vegas
Speaker 1: turned on the other day.
Speaker 5: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: It looks like one of those speaking of old you know,
Speaker 1: a kid and they had that that crystal ball and
Speaker 1: you put your fingers on it, lightning, That's what it
Speaker 1: looks like.
Speaker 5: But you go in it.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to that thing. Oh it's got cool,
Speaker 1: it could be killed.
Speaker 5: Maybe it spins around like that thing at the fair
Speaker 5: and the boardwalk and stuff like that. You jump in
Speaker 5: and you kind of ping you to the wall because
Speaker 5: it's spinning so fast.
Speaker 1: Then we've got twenty seven dates for WWE in September
Speaker 1: and October. Brian, they're going all over the place.
Speaker 5: Who's gonna run it first, Who's gonna run that bat
Speaker 5: wrestling in there? If they have or if AW has
Speaker 5: an event or WWE. I can see it taking place
Speaker 5: inside the Big Ball.
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't understand, and I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: a reason for it, But like I'm looking at these
Speaker 1: WWE dates, these places are going I'm like, uh, Kennewick Washington.
Speaker 1: What are you going to Kennewick for?
Speaker 5: What day is it?
Speaker 1: It's it's like it's a Saturday, I know that, But
Speaker 1: why go to Kennewick. You don't know what Kennewick is?
Speaker 6: Do you do?
Speaker 1: It's right in the middle of the state, and it's
Speaker 1: just like there, I mean, what are you doing in Kennewick?
Speaker 1: Can you run like Seattle Tacoma? Do you know think
Speaker 1: you gonna sell tickets? Seattle, Tacoma, Everett even they're going
Speaker 1: at Kennewick, I don't know.
Speaker 5: They go to Salteah as opposed to Norfolk and places
Speaker 5: like that. I don't know. They've done a lot of shows,
Speaker 5: although it was mostly you know, coming out of the pandemic.
Speaker 5: They'd have those Saturday and Sunday Stunner House shows and
Speaker 5: it would be like, you know, someplace in the middle
Speaker 5: of Iowa followed by Idaho.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's probably like a place in the middle
Speaker 1: of Iowa where like you know, you can you can
Speaker 1: draw from a bunch of different different cities.
Speaker 5: That the thing is they had to cancel a bunch
Speaker 5: of those. And if you look at like the wrestle
Speaker 5: ticks and all those types of comparison sites. It's like
Speaker 5: they're structured or they're set up for only like three thousand,
Speaker 5: but they if they only sell like five hundred tickets
Speaker 5: and the initial thing, they're gonna go, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 5: go ahead and cancel that show. So maybe that's what
Speaker 5: it is. I don't know. They go to some odd places,
Speaker 5: they really do. I always wonder how that goes for
Speaker 5: their sea shows and their house shows. Doesn't make really
Speaker 5: a whole lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Kennewick is middle. It's literally in the middle of the state,
Speaker 1: and you have to go for a mountain range, like
Speaker 1: if you're if you're in the populated portion of washing
Speaker 1: you go for a mountain range to get to Kennewick.
Speaker 1: Who wants to do that?
Speaker 8: Is it?
Speaker 5: Is it a partially sold show?
Speaker 1: Is it a in Kennewick? Doubtful?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean why else would you go there unless
Speaker 5: you have maybe some sort of again, a promotional thing
Speaker 5: or something like that that may tie in with a
Speaker 5: TV station or something. I don't know. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's again, where are they around that? Are they in
Speaker 5: cities around that? Like the next day? Are they in
Speaker 5: a No?
Speaker 1: Then they go to Boise Idaho, which is way the
Speaker 1: heck out there. That's probably ten hours from Kennewick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe AD is a big center in Idol, but still
Speaker 1: I don't know. Dude, I ain't going to Kennewick. Come on,
Speaker 1: come on, any Kennewickens out there can explain this to me.
Speaker 5: I when's the last time we got to ask our
Speaker 5: people that are listening, uh in North in South Dakota
Speaker 5: and North Dakota, in both Dakota's let us know what's
Speaker 5: going on out there.
Speaker 1: Sky goes.
Speaker 5: I'll have you know.
Speaker 1: Kennewick was voted most Livable Mountain town by Rand McNally
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 5: Now I want somebody from the Dakotas to the debate.
Speaker 1: That I mean, I know that uh you know Don
Speaker 1: Kels was driving through ball Zac that's out in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere too. You know what I'm saying, probably
Speaker 1: taking prozak m Ring of Honor death before dishonored. July
Speaker 1: twenty first, it will be Claudio Cassie only defending the
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor title against Mark Brisco.
Speaker 5: He's an aw guy too.
Speaker 1: By the way, Mark ain't gonna win this match. What
Speaker 1: they're holding it off. Whoa, that's what I think. I
Speaker 1: think that something's going wrong and uh, and Claudio's gonna
Speaker 1: win and then you gotta do that Claudio Eddie match
Speaker 1: and then uh, Mark's got to win the title at
Speaker 1: Final Battle. That's my that's my long term booking.
Speaker 5: This take that as long as Mark ends up with
Speaker 5: that title, he's.
Speaker 1: Got to end up with the title. It would be
Speaker 1: it would be that house.
Speaker 5: Then in Salisbury, boy, do I have an idea for
Speaker 5: TK if he wants Slonbury.
Speaker 1: The only thing that ever came out of Salisbury was
Speaker 1: a bad steak.
Speaker 5: In some of the greatest wrestling video you've ever seen
Speaker 5: in your life down on the Farm, which is, uh,
Speaker 5: that's true, well technically Salisbury, but no, no, but they
Speaker 5: stomped there too.
Speaker 1: Okay, this for says all Out goes on sale July fourteenth,
Speaker 1: So do they get the jump on him. Let's see
Speaker 1: what I what did I have here? July fourteenth. Let's
Speaker 1: see WWE is putting theirs on sale. It's actually uh,
Speaker 1: let's see July nineteenth. So there, that's interesting. Now, that's
Speaker 1: actually really interesting. I would think the w WE would
Speaker 1: actually put them on sale like the thirteenth or the
Speaker 1: fifteenth or something like that, So you'd have to pick,
Speaker 1: like which one you're going to.
Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing. You know, they may not do
Speaker 5: damage to the big show, but how many they're in
Speaker 5: Chicago for what? Three days? For four days? Again, this
Speaker 5: is one of those things where you may not hurt
Speaker 5: one show, but you may if people have to then
Speaker 5: choose because they want to go to the big WWE
Speaker 5: show too. Those secondary you know, collision and whatever is
Speaker 5: taking place around aw that may be the issue. You know,
Speaker 5: with all out, that's going to be the issue.
Speaker 1: Versays, the looming threat of Vincent Creative makes it difficult
Speaker 1: to invest in WWE because he can't trust anything will resolve.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I'm not telling anyone to watch. What I'm
Speaker 1: requesting is if you don't watch, don't tell those of
Speaker 1: us that do watch that it sucks. Like the exact
Speaker 1: analogy would be if I sat here and I told
Speaker 1: you how much stardom sucked if I wasn't watching it,
Speaker 1: people would be furious you don't watch it. So if
Speaker 1: you don't want to watch it, that's fine. If you
Speaker 1: don't want to give them the chance, that's fine. I
Speaker 1: don't have any problem with that. But my issue is
Speaker 1: is constantly being told it sucks when I watch the
Speaker 1: show every single week and it doesn't. That's it, That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Crazy annoying to be told over and over again that
Speaker 5: Zach Saber Junior isn't a legitimate threat because of how
Speaker 5: he looks.
Speaker 1: I never said watching I never said that.
Speaker 5: And saying this guy, you know.
Speaker 1: Traw Observer Radio, that's what this has become here, you
Speaker 1: know something about that. Maybe Jack Perry could join Don
Speaker 1: Kalas's family. I figure, oh Don's sliminess would rub off
Speaker 1: on Jack and help him become a better heel. He wrote, slimness.
Speaker 1: His slimness is going to run off on him him.
Speaker 1: Wrestling fans who love anthropology might love Kenwick. Are you
Speaker 1: familiar with the Kennewick Man?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: And he's dead. He's not buying a ticket back in
Speaker 1: a moment. Observer Life.
Speaker 7: Gives me.
Speaker 2: Something that I won't whatever. You were listening to Wrestling
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Speaker 1: I got the show. Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live,
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Speaker 2: Let's see what we.
Speaker 1: Got here in this text message Ben. By the way,
Speaker 1: I'm going to the bunk house today. Actually, those e
Speaker 1: that remember last year, a shoot bunk house, a legitimate
Speaker 1: shoot bunk house is where I will be staying the
Speaker 1: night the next two nights. Then we're camping, and then
Speaker 1: we'll be at Cannon Beach. So I'm gonna be all
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Speaker 1: can become a super follower on Twitter a subscriber. I'll
Speaker 1: send lots of cool picture to this bunk house. Built
Speaker 1: by hand, no machine build this bunk house, and it's
Speaker 1: a pretty cool place. So anyway, butter there churnin butter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. This person says, I remember
Speaker 1: eating Salisbury steak as a kid and thinking that this
Speaker 1: feels like a poor man's steak. In fact, we were
Speaker 1: kind of poor growing up. Yeah, you don't think I've
Speaker 1: eaten a Salisbury steak. That's how I know about it.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you something. If you can go
Speaker 1: to the frozen packaged food section at the grocery store
Speaker 1: and uh, and there's there's a food that you can
Speaker 1: buy there. That's not good. Okay, you don't see like
Speaker 1: you don't go to that frozen food section and get
Speaker 1: a frozen meal that includes like a Wagy Ribbi. It
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. They don't sell them there. They sell salisbury
Speaker 1: steak pork chops, and I'm saying, yeah, chicken fried steak.
Speaker 1: You know what that is. That's a burger with like
Speaker 1: chicken coating around it. I do like chicken fry. I
Speaker 1: let you know what I like. It's chicken fried chicken,
Speaker 1: which is just fried chicken. Why do they call it
Speaker 1: chicken fried chicken?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Do you ever have Maryland fried chicken?
Speaker 1: Well, not from actual Maryland. I've had many types the
Speaker 1: fried chicken. I don't get into those spices thing like
Speaker 1: Kentucky fried chicken. Eleven herbs and spices. You know, they
Speaker 1: took those to a lab. I read a book about it.
Speaker 1: They took it to a lab because they were going
Speaker 1: to find out what the secret eleven herbs and spices were.
Speaker 1: You know they were There was salt and there was pepper,
Speaker 1: and that was it. No, it's true. Anyway, we're out
Speaker 1: of here. Talk to you next time wrestling is over live.
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