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Speaker 1: It's memoirs, martinis. Cleb book Club. Come read it while

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Speaker 1: it's hot. Celebrity book Club, Tell your secrets. We won't

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Speaker 1: talk celebrity books. No boys are alloud. Celebrity book say

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Speaker 1: Hey Lily Murrada, y Stephen, Philip's horse. What another thrill

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Speaker 1: to be with you here on this Monday afternoon, recording

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Speaker 1: another episode of our podcast, Celebrity book Club. Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 1: Where what is it we do? Oh? Yeah, we talk

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Speaker 1: about celebrity memoirs. Hell yes, which means we also read

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Speaker 1: celebrity memoirs exactly. Oh, we read books. I want to

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Speaker 1: podcast production company based on Brooklyn, but you know, has

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Speaker 1: We know that it's a little classic, one of those

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Speaker 1: like it comes from counterintelligence program, so you would think

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Speaker 1: it'd be like co intel pro, Oh, co intel pro.

423
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: That might make more sense. So co intel pro was

424
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: the program that the FBI set up that basically was

425
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Speaker 1: spying on so called domestic Tarots aka the Black Panthers

426
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: at the time, because they wanted to basically destroy them

427
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Speaker 1: right and dismantle them the inside. They have at these

428
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 1: informants and Asians provider. Obviously it's up because they were

429
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Speaker 1: pretty no offering so much money. So it's like, you know,

430
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Speaker 1: if you're like, oh, like well, like they'll get then

431
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Speaker 1: I won't get arrested if I like inform no, I

432
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: mean the way this case, well, then the Deronima plaque case,

433
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: as it turns out like everyone's an informant for like

434
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Speaker 1: someone else, like everyone is lined. There was no one

435
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: who wasn't in everyone is setting up everyone else. It

436
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: was just like so it's kind of like when I

437
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: was reading that, I was like, so, what's the point here?

438
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: And that's always the thing where it's like the FBI

439
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 1: hits the cops. The FBI and CIA hate each other well,

440
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: and then there was also the two factions within the

441
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: Black Panthers that we're fighting each other, right because then

442
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: like the each other leader and then they each have

443
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: their own informants and then no one knows and everyone's

444
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: informing on each other. And you know, I was sitting

445
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: at there collecting the money. Collecting all the money is

446
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, as Uncle Sam is the whole you know,

447
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: the whole system. There's all criminal justice and it's a

448
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: big ol cycle. Although I guess Johnny Coquine's also collected. No,

449
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: he's collecting it. He has always been like, and I

450
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: did own a supper club, and I own a sports team,

451
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,680
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452
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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, he's getting more successful and more successful,

453
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Speaker 1: and he's like, and then I opened up my bigger firm,

454
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Speaker 1: and and then I did um start to go into

455
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Speaker 1: entertainment law, and I took on Area Franklin and the

456
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Speaker 1: Supremes and Michael Jackson's clients. And then they'll be like,

457
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Speaker 1: and I want a case, And like someone did advise

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459
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: was making money from the community, because it was basically

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Speaker 1: he was representing Michael Jackson. Yes, so it's kind of ironic.

495
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: I just feel like, yeah, it's like Johnny Corkin is

496
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: absolutely like a Titan of law. But it's also like

497
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 1: you could see him as he becomes more successful. It's

498
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: he's more just like I'm going to represent celebrities. Yes,

499
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: And it's just like you go from basically like, you know,

500
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: really believing in the political representing black panthers, like people

501
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: you think that are just like really really oppressed by

502
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: the system, to representing just like oj Simpson and Michael

503
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: Jackson in the child molestation case. Yeah, and then he

504
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: also in his kind of week long where he's going

505
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: to his mother's crypt and like can't figure out if

506
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: he should like take the OJ case. He's like my

507
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: beautiful wife, Doctor Dale, and I went to the Hollywood

508
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Speaker 1: Bowl with my my very very good friend Bill Cosby.

509
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: And Bill just has a way of joking his way

510
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: through difficult things to talk about interesting and you're like, huh,

511
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is this like frights which we're

512
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: going from, like the Michael Jackson case. Bill's got like

513
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: a roofy teenager. He just has this funny way about him.

514
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: He's hilarious, silly guy. So if I may read this

515
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: passage where he's going to Michael Jackson's house, well no, first, yeah,

516
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: I forgot about this part. A couple of days later,

517
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: Carl and I drove to Santa Monica Airport, where Michael's

518
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: private helicopter was waiting to fly us to his famous

519
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: Neverland retreat in Santa Barbara County, north of Los Angeles.

520
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: It is, as the name suggests, a consciously magical place,

521
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: with its vast mansion, private zoo, and dazzling amusement park.

522
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: There is music everywhere, and the minute I stepped out

523
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: of the helicopter. I understood that this whole enchanted environment

524
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: had been decided to reinforce and maintain the child sense

525
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: of wonder so crucial to Michael's art. I remember turning

526
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: to Carl and saying, we can't let this young man

527
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: be taken down. He told us he's innocent. Yeah, yeah,

528
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: he says that a lot about O. J. Two. It's

529
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: always just like he said he was innocent. It's like

530
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: that's what people do. Oh, I guess they really do

531
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: say that they're innocent. I guess has a defense lawyer.

532
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: When someone tells you they're innocent, you just have to go, okay, yeah,

533
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: I got it. Well okay. Also, you watch a lot

534
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: of All Rise. I feel like a lot of defense lawyers,

535
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: and I may be absolutely wrong, your legal eagles tell me.

536
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of defense lawyers don't straight

537
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: up ask their clients if they're innocent or guilty. Yeah,

538
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean, okay. On All Rise again, in which is

539
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: a documentary, a CBS procedural documentary of the public defender

540
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: who like does a lot of the cases. Yeah, she's

541
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: always just being just like I don't want to know, Like,

542
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: don't tell me that she's always telling them, like stop

543
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: telling them about a gun or something that they had,

544
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: or like something. She's always trying to prevent them from

545
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: admitting something that she can't hear because she's just trying

546
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: to do their best to help them. And like right,

547
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: she's like, let me just do the evidence and we're

548
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: just kind of go with it. And she was trying

549
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: to find some other like procedural reason why like the

550
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: evidence to be thrown out or I mean speaking of

551
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: procedual reasons why the evidence to be thrown out. I

552
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: was actually quite surprised that Shapiro so who Shapiro who

553
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: is played by John Travolta in the right show who

554
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: speaking of more closeted than there or whatever? Another note

555
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: I worked on. I was like, God, lawyers are absolutely insane.

556
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: He like Johnny Cochrane's lead counsel, but before it was

557
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: Bob Shapiro, and Bob Shapiro like comes back to their

558
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: offices and lies and he's just like, well, O, j

559
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: told me himself he wants me to be head counsel.

560
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: And Johnny's like no, It's like no, I know he's

561
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: been begging me. He's been calling me for weeks, like

562
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: I had to go to my teams. I mean, like

563
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm desperate for you to represent me. Like Shapiro is

564
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: not a trial lawyer. Shapiro does nothing. I mean he

565
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: basically says that spirits horrible, but he assembled the dream teamment,

566
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 1: so he deserves credit for that. But yeah, and then

567
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: in the trial, it's like Marcia is like him. They're

568
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: joking about how Shapira is an empty suit, and she's

569
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: like thinking names horrible. So I'm like, okay, so you're

570
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 1: saying you're friends with Marcia. No, I think he had

571
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: her a lot of sympathy from Marcia because I mean

572
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: he says also like we only had like a little

573
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Speaker 1: bit of time in the beginning when we were like joking,

574
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Speaker 1: and there's like some small photo of them like smiling,

575
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: and obviously things got like absolutely tense afterwards. But he's

576
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: like I felt bad for her because like all my

577
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: ex wives like talk about me in the tabloids and

578
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: this case was insane, but like I had my wife,

579
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: doctor Dale, who kept our beautiful modern home immac thea

580
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: for me to come home too. And he was like

581
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: and Marcia was like the most like insanely stressed out

582
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: single mom whose ex husband tried to get custody of

583
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: her kids and like he submitted like nude photos of her,

584
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: thinking fire her. That's all happened on the show, I

585
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: mean on that other documentary that Bryan Murphy's show that

586
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: we watched. But like it's kind of a joke, and

587
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: he does he makes it seem like it that was

588
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: very rig because like he just is in his like

589
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: expensive suits and like going to his huge yeah house

590
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: every day and she's coming in like souffled and like

591
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: spilling so much coffee on her binder and just like

592
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: and they're like such a mess, right, and is so like, oh,

593
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: I need to bring my kids to school, and he's

594
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: just like they're like looking fab What I was quite

595
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: surprised by this was a bit of a kind of

596
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: a legal shock to me was that Shapiro thought that

597
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: they were going to be able to get the glove

598
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: dismissed and think they were going to be at the

599
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: glove suppressed and prelimb, and that therefore the whole trial

600
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: would get dismissed at prelimb. That would just be like Okay, fine,

601
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: we don't have the biggest piece of evidence. Wait have

602
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: you seen the actual the trial I've seen I actually recently,

603
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: I feel like, watched the footage of the glove, and

604
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: it really Okay, here's my thing about the glove. I

605
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: think he's so clearly acting. Yeah, it is the most

606
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: like fully like feet or camp Like he's like you

607
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: see biboos, you see b glove vibes. Like he's like

608
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: pulling it on like so hard and being like, oh no,

609
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: there's no way. Also, here's my thing about the glove.

610
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: And again, like I also don't talk about the plastic

611
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: gloves you have to wear underneath. Yeah, it's like you're

612
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: wearing You're already wearing another gloves, plasta gloves. Also a

613
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: lot of the times, like I don't know you buy

614
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: ill fitting gloves. I don't know even if you're a salve. Yeah,

615
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: I guess I just think like cats and gloves, like

616
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of one size fits all. Yeah, like fits

617
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: like a glove. Like that phrase is actually talks of

618
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: the English language. It would actually make sense that maybe

619
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Speaker 1: he would use his pair of ill fitting gloves murder.

620
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean again, it's like all of the discrepancies and like,

621
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, the idea that the police would have planted

622
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: evidence is completely reasonable and just like one and like

623
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 1: all of these different reasons, like why wasn't there more

624
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: blood in the car in different places if the like,

625
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: there are so many things that suggest that there could

626
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: have been plantings. But at the end of the day,

627
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: you're just like, who the fuck else? Well? I googled

628
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: today because that was my thing. I was like, okay,

629
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: so the first well, and they have like right, they

630
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: have Nicole's sister like, you know, saying like he beat her,

631
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: like they have phone calls like there's always right. So

632
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: it's like this is the new boyfriend. And then I googled,

633
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Speaker 1: like who are the other like Reddit suspects, and of

634
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: course Kuara dot com came up, by the way, somehow,

635
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: of course my spam ass. I get emails from Quara

636
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: every day, and I think I've like clicked on them

637
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: so many times that they now go to primary They like,

638
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: don't that they don't go to promotions, but the headlines

639
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: are always so crazy, so I keep on clicking on them.

640
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: It's always like my little brother murdered someone, should I

641
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: still give him a birthday party? So I'm cora piled.

642
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: But then there was some of the other things on

643
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: Kara they were saying, was that like and who knows

644
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: if obviously any of this is true. Was another waiter

645
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: at the restaurant Mezzaluna where Ron worked, was also murdered

646
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: around that time, and was it kind of a food

647
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: in bev murder? Actually is that true? I have no idea,

648
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: but that was on the no and then I was

649
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: like there was this bigger food in bev Y. Yeah.

650
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: I always just feel like I also feel like, hasn't

651
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: Chris Jenner said that like she thinks I just did it? Yeah? Yeah,

652
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: And I feel like Kim is like, mom, I don't

653
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: want to talk about it, like because they are so

654
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: also like going to their dad's like crypt Yeah, they're

655
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: so asking a crypture show me if you know what

656
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, I do know, as one reviewer side,

657
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: you're obsessed with your dad's death. Get over it in

658
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: the ground, move on that journey to justice. So yeah

659
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: to me and the column that he did it. Chris

660
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: Jenner thinks it a be like the sort of whatever

661
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: the evidence that like the trail of blood from like

662
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: Delway Hive to Rockingham and where are they always called

663
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: the house? Is like by the street names which is like,

664
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: so christ and Cavalieri calling her other house like the

665
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: Rockingham um, like that is in the column of he

666
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: did it to me? And then also the fact that

667
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: like he is like still sketchy, and he also wrote

668
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: that book called If I Did If I Did It,

669
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: which is kind of goes like, seriously, you did it

670
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: to me, and but I what I'm not putting in

671
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: that category is the fact that he did run and

672
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: the whole Bronco chase because yes, because to me, I'm like,

673
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: so that I get because hello, the police are so

674
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: racist and just like you don't know what to do

675
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: and like, baby, you got scared and like that to me,

676
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think at the time, people like that

677
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: really sealed the deal with They're like, oh, he must

678
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: oh if you're running, you're not. But it's like police

679
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: are evil and you have no idea. They could have

680
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: shot you on the spot. Who knows, they could have

681
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: planted more shit in your car. You smeared it with

682
00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: more of my period blood exactly. And it's also his

683
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: like crime that he went away for for thirty three

684
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: years I always find completely insane. It was like a

685
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: memorabilia heist. I could really see myself. If I was

686
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: to go away to the Big House, it would be

687
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: for what OJ went away for. He was taking back

688
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: his own sports. Yeah, it was like a Vegas or.

689
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: He was like taking back like babbleheads and trophies and

690
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: like a jail for a doll heist. Oh my god,

691
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: wait doll stuff. So to our listeners, to all the listeners,

692
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: I'm addicted to buying dolls and I've I've stopped myself

693
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: because it's weird. And I had a way you said

694
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: it's weird with just like so little conviction, like you

695
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: were actually just like at that, like like you're at

696
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: your parole hearing, like no, and I've stopped it, and

697
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: it's weird. I promise your honor. I don't like dolls anymore.

698
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm not salivating over the prospect of a vintage do

699
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: their Evil doll still in its original case. They pull up,

700
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: they take my laptop, they take my eBay searches. I'm

701
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: like furiously trying to clear them. And like vintage Johnny

702
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: Cash doll that sings like the entire cast of all

703
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: in the family. Like, so, I just want to talk quickly,

704
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: how Annie Leibowitz did a photoshoot of the entire dream

705
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: team before the OJ trial began, and Johnny Cochrane was

706
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: like so proud. He was like, and I said, I

707
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: had no time for the Annie Leibowitz photoshoot, even though

708
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: she is absolutely amazing artist. And then he calls OJ

709
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, the rest of them they all

710
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: went to the photoshoot, but I actually were to do

711
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: in your case, and OJ is like hell yes, Like

712
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: I didn't want you to go to the photo shoot.

713
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: That's so Bethanny of him, you know, and like, um,

714
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: this is actually a fucking business. This is a business,

715
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: and not a time is valuable. Wollum go off, Yeah,

716
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: I know, I want to see these Leewood's photos. I mean,

717
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: I think it's like it's another example of him kind

718
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: of trying to play both ways where he kind of

719
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: like he is bemoaning like the turn from information into

720
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: entertainment and like the red sporty for own news and

721
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: like the celebritification of like every job and like every industry,

722
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: and it's like and the sort of like the presumption

723
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: of like the legal names. But it's just like you,

724
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: he's such a huge partner. You're the biggest celebrity lawyer. Yeah,

725
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: you're the biggest celebrity lawyer, and you're just like you

726
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: absolutely like use entertainment, like you know, for good but

727
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: also for bad, and it's a double edged sword and

728
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: you absolutely love to just like reap the benefits of

729
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: fame and fortune. And just to kind of add on

730
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: also of him being like I'm because he's like, my

731
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: children are my dream and I'm the best father in

732
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: the entire world. And it's like they probably see him

733
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: like hardly ever, but then he's being like very just

734
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: like divorce court proceedings where he's like and then my

735
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: ex wife just like she started talking about me on

736
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: Meet the Press and my son was in fine that time,

737
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: and it made him so stressed out he had to

738
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: spend the night at my house. And he's very just

739
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: like I win. And that's kind of like, do we

740
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: need to be so petty here? I mean, divorce is

741
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: patty yeah, Patty Booths And he's like, and I have

742
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: always like given my children and my ex wife so

743
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: much money. And I mean, look, it is shady that

744
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: his ex wives like went on to talk about it,

745
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: but it's like he was on TV every day. They

746
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: probably wanted a piece of yeah, it's just like you know,

747
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: pot cattle, right and like and he talks about how

748
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: he had to like in one of the like opening

749
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: stages of the OJ trial, he was also like going

750
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: to like family court across the street for like his

751
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: wife was like fighting him on something he had like

752
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: run he had to like run across and then he

753
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: was late getting back. And then he was like in

754
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: contempt for like being late because he was like doing

755
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: a familyc Gordon. He would just being like, oh, like

756
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: crazy day in my crazy life with my craziest wife

757
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: and like again being so Bethany and just just like

758
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: I've so much on my plate and like no one

759
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: realized how insane it is to be a high powered

760
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: superstar celebrity lawyer segments. How do you plead segments? Approach

761
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: the bench your honor? I segment? Okay, what does she eat? How?

762
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: What where? So? What does he eat? What does he eat?

763
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: Let's pull up the passage right. He talks about the

764
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: supper club that he owns. I mean he has decadent tastes,

765
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: but I think he has high cholesterol. I mean just

766
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: like the wife is probably like Dale was probably just

767
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,959
Speaker 1: beating like no stop salting that meat and like making

768
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: him have a caesar salad. But the caesar salad is

769
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: like so covered and trusted. So that's the thing, right,

770
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: he's you know, he grew up on your classic soul

771
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: food and he's just like obviously like loves you know that.

772
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: But it's right, chicken, you know the works talk about

773
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: cage free. They were ringing the chicken right before dinner, right,

774
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: So no, it was super organic. That's the thing. It

775
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: felt like this, there's one thing. It's always just like

776
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: there's five different dishes, right, It's like there's chicken, like

777
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: greens peas, the coconut pineapple cake. There, there's always cake

778
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: before lemonade. But oh, his you know, his family they

779
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: were so devout, so they were not drinking. But he drinks.

780
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: He drinks. You yeah, but I'm sure in a very

781
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: like measured way. I'm sure his Okay, let me read

782
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: the passage of a supper club and then we'll talk

783
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: about his wine cellar. At the time, another lawyer, Frank A.

784
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: Evans Junior, and I owned a supper club in South

785
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: Los Angeles called quote unquote there. Wait, that's the most

786
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: incredible name. It's so fabulous. There there, Meet you there,

787
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: Meet you at there, Meet you at there. Let's go.

788
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: Let's go to there there. Oh, that's so fun. It's

789
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: not open anymore. Can we restore there? Yes? I would

790
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: love that. Go fund their restoration projects. With its mahogany

791
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: paneled walls, warm lighting, top light chef, congenial bars that

792
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: say congenial bar, the club soon became a popular hangout

793
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: for local sports celebrities. Muhammad Ali was a frequent visitor.

794
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: The opportunity to rub elbows of sports stars, along with

795
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: courteous professional service, which I'd learned to recognize in my

796
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: catering days, quickly made there a favorite spot among the

797
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: city's growing black middle class. It would be years before

798
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: Died in Discipline became synonymous in the American mind, and

799
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: our kitchen was very much a creature of its time.

800
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: A typical Sunday branch at there, for example, when in

801
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: the words of our menu, start with King Crab cocktail supreme,

802
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: move on to a terrene of soup dajore, followed by

803
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: prime rib of beef ajeu roasted according to an old

804
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: English recipe in our specially designed ovens. Fabulous by the

805
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: way that they have like special ovens. It's very ausio

806
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: stove and finish sorry, and getting so hungry with cheesecake

807
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: in a hot Sherry's Jubilee sauce. To accompany our meal,

808
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: we suggest a bottle of Cabinet Sauvillon, and that he's

809
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: quoting his full menu here and then he goes my

810
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: cholesterol level notwithstanding that still sounds pretty good. So he's

811
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: saying that that's he's saying that. I think he's basically

812
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: admitting though, that that means that his wife is now

813
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: being like making him have a wedge salad. Yeah, but

814
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: like the wedge is still just like bacon. Yeah, it's

815
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: cobb boots, It's I don't think it's very like he's

816
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: working so much. I don't think he's eating during the

817
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: day like I think his secretary's bringing him cappucci. He

818
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: also roast some other lawyers for getting cappuccinos. Yeah, everything

819
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: he likes faggot food. But you know what, I bet

820
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: he does. Like I will say, and I know this

821
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: from you know when I used to work in politics,

822
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: working downtown. You're near the courthouses. Oh yeah, that court food,

823
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: that kind of court vibe. I feel like he's very

824
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: pea soup. Oh didn't see that coming. I think, Yeah,

825
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of lot more high powered lawyers

826
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: than you think have soup because it's just in a

827
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: small cop and you can kind of like come back

828
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: to it, like but you can't eat it quickly. Like

829
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 1: it's not actually that messy. It's surprisingly not that messy

830
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: even though it as liquid, because it's just it's very contained. No,

831
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: I see he's buzzing. He's like, jan, can you get

832
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: me in my soup? And it's like a bottled water

833
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: and he's getting on his table. It's an ebon maybe

834
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: half a balt and a pea soup. You don't even

835
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: think there's a balt there. Yeah, it's just let me

836
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: stop you right there. So I mean that makes sense

837
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: for because it's like I mean, and he's working out

838
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: four times a week. It is because beautiful you don't

839
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: want And here's why. The same which is a no

840
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: go you bite in and that mustard that sauce squirts

841
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: on your soup also no, it's the huge tie that's

842
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: so nineties mustard on the big and then you're dabbing

843
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: it with your I don't know if I looks pounding

844
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: my chest right now in gorilla boots, creating a dap Okay.

845
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 1: I ultimately it's very lawyer to be. He comes home

846
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: and you gotta eat, and he's like, I'm going to

847
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: my study. Yeah. Yeah, he's too exhausted by the events

848
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: of the day. Do you even eat? Okay? What is

849
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: he where? Well, as we're talking about, he is a

850
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: dapper gentleman. Absolutely double breasted suit. He likes, you know,

851
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: gorgeous suspenders. I think a bold tie, a wide tie

852
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: and a bold color. And I feel like it's you know,

853
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 1: it's a very nineties. It's a pleated pant, double breasted suit.

854
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: So even on the cover of this book, he um,

855
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: he's got a little cross pen on his lapelle. Very Christian.

856
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: Also pocket squares as every man should have. Absolutely gorgeous

857
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: and I think, I mean, it is like a wide tie,

858
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: but it's not like so insane pattern because I feel

859
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: like he is like, well, we are in a courtroom,

860
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: and like, you know, it's a slight pattern. It's not

861
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: the craziest. No, it's not such a dad tie that's

862
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: like so cookie and like golf clubs and it's like

863
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: not such like a Christmas tree or whatever. Turkeys in

864
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: Santas and then I feel like, when what's his casual wear?

865
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: Just like gold that's I think it's like golf it's

866
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: drive at polo tucked in or it's like so nice,

867
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: I mean we should let's say he is dead, So yes, yeah,

868
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: I kind of maybe the drive I think it's like, okay,

869
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: so it's cotton, or it's like thick plans with your

870
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: old school like golf polo from like the Bahama it's

871
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: from like the Renz Carlton Barbados Hotel, tucked into sweatpants,

872
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: like very crisp sweatpants, high socks, and then he's like

873
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: doing like a nineties exercise. Okay, he was like hello,

874
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: like they were dress socks. He wouldn't have been wearing

875
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: dress socks with jockers, right, He's so fabulous. And he

876
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: also won't along the bolo ties. He won't admittertre who

877
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: wears white socks. Okay, wait what he says, no white

878
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: socks and no string ties? Okay, well that's crazy, yeah

879
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: because everyone wears white socks. Well, I guess he's thinking

880
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: like if you go to a courthouse, you dress up, like,

881
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: don't show up in your gyms. Again, this is so Bethany.

882
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm her new joy to Max, which is

883
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: obviously insane and I need to watch She's like freaking

884
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: because this one like the like social media influencer girl

885
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: who's like competing for this new job with Bethany. She's like,

886
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: who shows up to a job interview in a crop top?

887
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: I can't believe she was at a crop top. I

888
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: like the girls were in the most like insane leather

889
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: long sleeve boostier, like it's technically a crop top, and

890
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: like wearing so much make majewelry in eighteen hats and

891
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: like no, and that's why he's so quirker on Like

892
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: I do think if he was alive to day and

893
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: Rest in Peace Johnny Cochrane Jr. M Esquire, I could

894
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: see like him and Bethany having a show him Bethany

895
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: and Barbara just like right like he would be so

896
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: he would definitely be on the tank. Yeah, and just

897
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: like I feel like Mark Cuban would actually be like

898
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: kind of bowing to him, oh yeah, and be like,

899
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, you paved the way, right because also at

900
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: the end of this book, like after he's just like

901
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: and the justice system is corrupt and everyone's racist. He's like,

902
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: and also I became a sports agent. Yeah, you know,

903
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: never stop, that's the thing. No, always expand I wanted

904
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: to become after I said Jery McQuire, I really wanted

905
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: to become a sports agent. I was really inspired by

906
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: that film. Did you ever do anything to pursue that dream? Well?

907
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: I played sports, Yes, that's the no in your eyes.

908
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: But I got to know, you know how the teams

909
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: worked in and out? You know, okay, fair, I mean

910
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: you were immersing yourself in the lingua franca of sporting,

911
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: but you never said, hey, like, do you even go

912
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: on to your favorite website, Quara and see what it

913
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: takes to become a sports agent? Well, because then I

914
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: transitioned into the dream of hotelier's which I also still

915
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: current training, just still the current trade that I haven't fulfilled.

916
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: Oh why don't you have? You looked that up on quad?

917
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: I remember my parents were like, well, you know, Cornell

918
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: as a hotel school, and I was like, okay, at

919
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: what point did you realize you weren't going to go

920
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: to Cornell school? Career like this was I think once

921
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: I even had hit fourteen, I kind of was like

922
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: Cornell's Yeah, I'm not getting I don't think Cornell's man.

923
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm for them. No, it was honestly,

924
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: it was mutual. Yeah, totally. It was totally chill and mutual. Absolutely. Okay,

925
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: how does he live? We have discussed. I mean he

926
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: says it in great detail or just modern these lines.

927
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: I picture the furniture very like custom curved like I

928
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: was picturing right. I feel like there's kind of like

929
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: it's pink tones. I feel like it's very light like

930
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like he is like of his

931
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: mama's boy, and it's like it's there's a femininity to

932
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: it there. There are pinks and lavenders shams. Yeah, and

933
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: it's a lot of carpet shams on the beds you mean, yeah,

934
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: shams in the bed Yeah. But I think in his

935
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: entertaining area like big ass dark hutch, No, I think

936
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: it's a little more built in. It's all like white

937
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: built in or like this like last black huge I

938
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: know you're talking about. Yes, and they have that that

939
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: it's very satisfying to press them open and clothes that

940
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: that black glass. Yes, he probably has a good screening room,

941
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: but I feel like he's the type of person that

942
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: while he does love like vacationing, like I don't think

943
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: he really can relax and watch a movie like he

944
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: watches football while he's working. You know, totally agree. He

945
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: seems like he's very like out of all boots, but

946
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: his time to relaxes with the trainer. And I also

947
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: say something that might shock you. Sure fake plants. Yep,

948
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, he doesn't have time to water. No,

949
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: I think he's got big fake plants, like throughout the house,

950
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: and some of them were in kind of like well

951
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: that's also very nineties, like no one was really like

952
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: plant care was not. No, he wasn't like a totally

953
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: witchy fem like getting succulent, but there were people in

954
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: the succulent. Is my boyfriend can't keep us sucking and

955
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: alive last one month or a relationship? You might be

956
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: me um, I I mean you're right, Like, I'm pretty

957
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: sure my parents had fake plants also in their house,

958
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: and I at just one point I was like, oh wait,

959
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: this is fake. It was very like when you're eight

960
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, so Sam, it's not real and

961
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: this plant is fake. I remember we have this one

962
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: planter and I'm like, who's watering those hose and then

963
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: maybe it was fake. I think they were real and

964
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: I think they died, But I am saying I do

965
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: think that, like there were were people who have like

966
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: gardens for four that are too closely maintained and gardeners

967
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: and all of that. Wasn't that more la and like

968
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: before the whole water crisis Greenhouse, Oh yeah, and they

969
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: were just shooting those sprinklers left and right. Yeah, and

970
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: now it's like more unwoke to have like a mulched

971
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: yard or whatever, stone or stone landscaping, Japanese rock garden,

972
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: et cetera. Absolutely, I just think he, like right, things

973
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: were low maintenance for because even like doctor Jale, like

974
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: she was holding it down at the Conquering Fort. Yeah,

975
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, okay, on the show, she's just

976
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: like in like a silk nightgown, like waiting, and I

977
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: feel and like the whole show was just her being

978
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: like rolling around like these like silk sheets and a

979
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: silk nightgown, just being like Johnny like you're late again. Well,

980
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: it looks like it's very like nineties sitcom when like

981
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: the mom of the show was wearing just a floor

982
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: length silk nightgown and then the audience is like oh,

983
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, miss Cochrane, it's good to see you,

984
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: and she's like it would have been good to see

985
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: you two hours ago, storms off your dinners on the table,

986
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: and again it's like a cob cob stuff. Okay, I think, yeah, so,

987
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: who are you in the Who are you in the book?

988
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: Who were in the book? Are you Lenny Bruce, who's

989
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: disheveled and he thinks, talks out of line about just

990
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: like something early in the book. He's like, I'm famously

991
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: feather ruffling comedian Lenny Bruce. Yeah, and he was like

992
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: like a smell the alcohol in his breath. He was unshaven,

993
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: and his jokes went too far. Yeah. I think I

994
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: would have fend Christian johnny Cock. This is when he

995
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: was worked for the DA. It was like he hadn't

996
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: gone to defense yet. Yeah, so he was he was

997
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: probably his most sort of stiff and conservative. Yeah. Yeah.

998
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: And I do also think that like people of like

999
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: a Johnny Cook grid experience will like see me and

1000
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: be like I think my parents friends always being like, hey,

1001
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 1: you want to stand a little closer to the razor

1002
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: next time, buddy, Like when you don't have the most

1003
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: like perfectly clean shaven face. They're just like anything other

1004
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: than that, It's just like, whoa, this is crazy, though

1005
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: Johnny Parker does love. He was like, and I do

1006
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: regret when I stopped talking to my friend Elaine Shulman

1007
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: in fourth grade because we heard her parents were Communists.

1008
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: And I will regret that for the rest of my life. Wow. Anyway,

1009
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think he's like a little what you

1010
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: think you're Elaine Jewelman whose parents are Communists? No, I

1011
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: was just saying that, like he is like sketched Violin.

1012
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: He's sketched, you know, he is sketched by people, and

1013
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: then like pretending that he is like not sketched by

1014
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: them later. But am I one of his ex wives

1015
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: who goes to the press. You're just no shame, no

1016
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: shame at all, being like, well fuck, I'm going on

1017
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: team No. Aren't you the guy the like surfer guy

1018
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: who lives at OJ's house. Oh yeah, he was like

1019
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: he was just chilling there as well. Yeah yeah, and

1020
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm just like and I'm like, oh wait, like okay,

1021
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: randomly mc kean us on a murder m. Yeah, Kato

1022
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: does his name Kato? Yeah, very cool fuya dude, al Right,

1023
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: awesome surfer stuff. Okay, well I give this book. I

1024
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: mean if you're a huge Johnny cockran head, which you

1025
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: know there aren't enough of them anymore, there aren't. And

1026
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: like I would say, he also like in a legal way,

1027
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: he does spill tea like you know what I mean,

1028
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: Like in his way he does, he does, and he

1029
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: is giving you, like the full play of pain. He's

1030
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: not like he is saying that like Shapira is suit.

1031
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: He's like saying this about the other characters. Like it's

1032
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: kind of a tell all and maybe it's kind of

1033
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: impressive also that you know, this book came out like

1034
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: ninety six or whatever, and right like he really really

1035
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: was speaking I would say, speaking truth to power, but

1036
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: speaking truth, yes, because he is in power. And he's

1037
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: also kind of he's just been like and Judge Edo

1038
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: is a great guy and just like he's also just

1039
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: like complimenting everyone that he works with. He's like he

1040
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 1: had kind of a naughty sense of humor, yeapense of humor,

1041
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: And I was like impatient, So I thought that was

1042
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: actually a word I looked up. Wow. Yeah, nice. Okay,

1043
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: So if you want to work on your vocabulary. Definitely

1044
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: read this book. It's kind of a good history lesson

1045
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: and if you want to learn about kind of like

1046
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: more horrible things cops have done and just kind of

1047
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: through no. I mean, I was like the part about

1048
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: the Black Panthers, Like I was like really turning the

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Speaker 1: page and like that was quite thrilling. The thing about

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Speaker 1: this book though, is I feel like, you know, if

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00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: you're into this stuff, you probably already know all of this, right,

1052
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: and you could like some of those parts. I'm like,

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00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm not getting anything I wouldn't necessarily get from the

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00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: Wikipedia or like a documentary or whatever. Yeah, I would

1055
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: a little more like Johnny Cochran doc. Yeah. But I

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00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: also do feel like there's a lot he's not saying

1057
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: when he's just being like and I love my kid,

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Speaker 1: and like I'm my great husband and I never hit

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00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: my wife. Anyways, we're saying that, right, I guess it's

1060
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: like it's a good where he goes through. Also, the

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00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: case is fast, and that I did like when he

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00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: was like and there's like this you know, fucked up

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00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: case and you're learning about the FBI, so it kind

1064
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: of tips you off and you're like, well, let's get

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00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, deeper into it. Yeah, but the OJ stuff,

1066
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, well, we do know about it,

1067
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: we do really know. But imagine you are, you know,

1068
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 1: in a nineteen ninety seven woman eating your cob salad

1069
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: and this book just came out. Finally I'm getting the

1070
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: other side of the dirt that ate and get now

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Speaker 1: I'm having a latte or I'm sipping on a lipped

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00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: in brisk with my salad. Yeah, I'd be really digging

1073
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: through it. But I guess it's a little of the

1074
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: gossip is you know, a little old for us now.

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00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: But I also do like the way he is kind

1076
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: of so fab and just and I wish there was

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00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: more of that when he just is like and just

1078
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: right before I talk about this case, let's talk about

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00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: my home gym. So yeah, I guess I'm giving it

1080
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: two and a half out of five. John Grisham's just

1081
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: because like, this is a thick lung book and I

1082
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: can't really imagine actually reading it, Like if I wasn't

1083
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: doing this podcast about it, Yeah, I agree with you.

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00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: Or also I wouldn't be like, oh my god, like

1085
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna die at this part when like he talks

1086
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: about like Bob Shapiro telling him that he should do

1087
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: less speeches at libraries. Yeah, it's not I don't know,

1088
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: so yeah, fully getting spelled two point five suspenders out

1089
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Speaker 1: of five. Wow, five suspenders. That's gonna be tough because

1090
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: usually they come into set of two. Well, okay, have

1091
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: fun with that mouth. Maybe if you're like a folk

1092
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: of one armed experience and you only use one. Next week,

1093
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: we're going north of the border for another duo. Grab

1094
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: your hammers and grab your levelers. Get ready for a

1095
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: renovator's dream when we tackle the one and only Canadian

1096
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: family duo, the proper Property Brothers, and they're Bemoir which

1097
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: I forgot the name of. It's just like Demo Day

1098
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: or Property Brothers. This is how we run out. Yeah,

1099
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: down to the studs. I am super excited, as you know,

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00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm addicted to the Property Brothers mobile game. You yeah,

1101
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: you would rather kind of read the memoir of the

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00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: creator of their mobile game. It's called It Takes Two,

1103
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: which is also the name of American Nashe Hilson film, right,

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00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: one of the best flicks or you. I didn't know

1105
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: you were such a scholar. Well, I guess it's the

1106
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: only movie that came out in theaters, and the rest

1107
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: of them are straight to videos in theaters. I feel

1108
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: in nice school. Oh that's true, call me in okay,

1109
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: racing their teen years? Oh sorry, did they get too

1110
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: slutty for you? Oh you only like the whole suit

1111
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: tans when they were four years old and in little

1112
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: pink dresses. Yeah, because that's how you like your kids.

1113
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, Johnny Cochrane, I would have him defend you.

1114
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Michael Jackson is a wonderful musician and those

1115
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: kids just want fame. They are leeching off of him

1116
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: in the hard work that he's done to bring America together.

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00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: Neverland is just an amazing zoo. Okay, No, it's it's

1118
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: literally a zoo where they actually are nice to the animals. Yeah,

1119
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: you rarely see anymore. And if you really cared about

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00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: zoo life, then you would know that. Stop going to

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00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: zoo's years ago, unlike your ass. That's true. Actually such

1122
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: a zoo okay, Okay, So y'all, thanks for listening, and

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Speaker 1: thank you to do Thank you so much for listening,

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00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: Like this was such a juay to go on this

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Speaker 1: journey to justice. But all of you sorry, order of

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Speaker 1: the Court. The verdict does this podcast is over recess?

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00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: Right y'all raid subscribe vo Works, follow us at CBC

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Speaker 1: the PA and we will see you next Next week,

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