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Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 1: A and Paranormal Podcast Network. Now get ready for another

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Speaker 1: episode of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Halls. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions

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Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject

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Speaker 1: matter for yourself. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light

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Speaker 1: with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome to my show.

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Speaker 1: Remember each week this is the place you go to

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Speaker 1: when you want to learn about the latest in anything

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Speaker 1: out of the ordinary, from shadow people to hat man,

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Speaker 1: of course, angels to aliens and all of the above.

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Speaker 1: I want you to know if you have personally experienced

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Speaker 1: something and you want to discuss it here on the show,

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Speaker 1: you are more than welcome to come on here. If

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Speaker 1: you want to get some insight or even share insight,

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Speaker 1: please go to my main website. Which is Heidi Hollis

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Speaker 1: dot com or shadow Folks dot com and write me,

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Speaker 1: tell me what's going on, tell me what you've seen.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, the bigger the email, the better,

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Speaker 1: because it really helps to paint the picture for myself

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Speaker 1: and others who are tuning in and trying to learn

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Speaker 1: and keep our ear to the ground on the pulse

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Speaker 1: of everything going on out there, because how else are

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Speaker 1: we going to learn if we don't share. And that

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Speaker 1: actually brings me to a conversation I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about in this first segment before we get to my

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Speaker 1: fabulous guest, who is Sean Austin, And uh, he's a

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Speaker 1: demonologist and he has some really fascinating work that he

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Speaker 1: has been involved in. And I think you're really getting

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Speaker 1: to enjoy the conversation. But something I wanted to bring

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Speaker 1: up right now. So I get a lot of emails,

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Speaker 1: and I get a lot of stories, or I get

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Speaker 1: people who like to chat with me on different social media,

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Speaker 1: and I really enjoy talking about these things the most

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Speaker 1: that what is really on people's minds, What is it

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Speaker 1: that's happening to the people out there? And uh, I

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Speaker 1: am all about sharing. We have to be on the

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Speaker 1: sharing level when it comes to these topics, because that's

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Speaker 1: how we've gotten this far, that's how we've gotten people

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Speaker 1: to pay attention and to put out things there by

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Speaker 1: different governments to say this is real. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people are talking, so they had to do something right.

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Speaker 1: They couldn't just ignore everybody. They did for a long time,

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Speaker 1: but there was some acknowledgement along the way. But we

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Speaker 1: really got the ball rolling when we all took a

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Speaker 1: stand and we said enough is enough. Now. Lately, I've

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Speaker 1: been getting quite a few emails and I always tell people,

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Speaker 1: please don't share this, Please don't share this, and and

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Speaker 1: that's that's fine. I will absolutely always obliged by what

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how people can experience some of

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Speaker 1: I have people who write me to say I have

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there, Oh, it's some some of it is

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Speaker 1: just so very important, and I just don't know how

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Speaker 1: they keep it to themselves. It really really is. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, And I'm hoping. I'm hoping to set a

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Speaker 1: that's how it should be. No one should be cramming

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Speaker 1: and they want to get some advice on it just

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Speaker 1: about the person standing next to them sharing their story. No,

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Speaker 1: we have to and and for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: What could be those reasons, Well, I'll tell you on

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Speaker 1: the end of me talking on things that are very demonic,

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Speaker 1: they paralyze us. And uh, they have the upper hands.

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Speaker 1: They'm like, yeah, we're the ones that's more advanced. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: then take me on for who I am. Its set

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Speaker 1: of sneaking around like that? Um, I mean really we

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Speaker 1: would pay good money for them to land and have

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Speaker 1: a conversation. But things hide for a reason. They do.

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Speaker 1: Why are why are they hiding? They're all positive and fluffy,

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Speaker 1: Well great, I love to have that conversation. There are

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Speaker 1: don't know. If my friend did that, I surely wouldn't

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Speaker 1: If they try to convince you to allow it, Why

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Speaker 1: you do. And if they don't know what's going on,

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Speaker 1: But the goal is to try to help your fellow

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Speaker 1: so much more different. It's so open now, with all

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Speaker 1: about these paranormal or UFO or crypto zoological instances. So

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Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's do it, so please don't forget

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Speaker 1: go to my main website, Heidi Hollis dot com or

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Speaker 1: shadow folks dot com. Give me the details of what

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Speaker 1: is going on. But it doesn't have to be a location,

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be your name, doesn't have to indicate

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Speaker 1: anything about you. But think of the people out there

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Speaker 1: who are anxiously awaiting to hear what's going on. And

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you guys who are in for quite a treat.

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Speaker 1: Up next, Wow, demonology dealing with really deep, dark ugly

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Speaker 1: stuff with Sean Austin going to be really, really fascinating.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, you guys, you are listening to Dark

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to Darkie Comes Light with

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Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast

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Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Just as promised, I

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Speaker 1: have a fabulous guest who will be joining me here next.

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Speaker 1: Featured on series such as The Lead Investigator on Ghost

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Speaker 1: Loop and the Investigator Ralph Sarchie on The Demon Files,

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Speaker 1: or recent documentaries Malefus and Devil Down South, Seawan Austin

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Speaker 1: travels the country in search of the unknown, own with

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Speaker 1: his experience as he uses them to aid in the

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Speaker 1: help of the living and of the dead. So I'd

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Speaker 1: like to welcome my guest, Sean Austin. How are you

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Speaker 1: doing today? Sean? Hey, Heidi, how you doing doing pretty good?

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Speaker 1: How about yourself all as well? So, my goodness, you

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Speaker 1: have quite the background you have been looking into not

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Speaker 1: and what it is that they're doing, So please do share.

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Speaker 1: Uh sure, I've been investigating the paranormal for about twelve

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Speaker 1: years now. UM. I'd say that I got involved in

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Speaker 1: and I took him to a local cemetery that had

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Speaker 1: a lure of three women in white that would chase

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Speaker 1: I was in front of a little girl's grave and

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Speaker 1: UM I collected my first e v P of a

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Speaker 1: And about two to three weeks after that first e VP, UM,

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Speaker 1: it's been quite the journey ever since. My goodness. So

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Speaker 1: you didn't grow up having this, uh, interest fully did you?

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Speaker 1: You didn't have any experiences at all growing up? Um.

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Speaker 1: There were omens that did take place when I was younger,

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Speaker 1: my two passions of the paranormal, spirituality and music. That's amazing.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think it's a coincidence. I find

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously people that are um creative in that

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Speaker 1: even wondered, you know, some of the lyrics where I've

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Speaker 1: there is a connection there. That's amazing. Now you had

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Speaker 1: an extent correct. Yes. Within the first year or two, UM,

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Speaker 1: I started to read books about demonology. I was fascinated

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Speaker 1: be accustomed to it with all the stuff that's happened. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Why it opened up to such an extent um. Well,

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Speaker 1: concerned about some of the stuff that's happening, as anybody would,

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Speaker 1: And and it always blows my mind. I get so

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Speaker 1: to that religious thing, but I just saw the devil.

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Speaker 1: What do I do. I'm like, We'll throw a shoe

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Speaker 1: they're guided in that path to do whatever they're supposed

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Speaker 1: to do. But I was guided in this journey in

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Speaker 1: this path, and you know, from all the first hand

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Speaker 1: experiences I've had, that's why my faith has gotten to

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Speaker 1: the level that it is in this present day. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I definitely seen all the residential cases I've

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Speaker 1: gone on, some of the confusion and some of the

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Speaker 1: lack of you know, direction that they have and the

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Speaker 1: the the you know, the the notion that they actually

437
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Speaker 1: will find some story of spirituality, but then kind of

438
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: like fall back on it and it's like a little

439
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Speaker 1: bit it's not fully um, you know, pushed forward to

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Speaker 1: the point where they can actually use it, and then

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00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: some of these things will actually come back into their

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Speaker 1: house and they'll have more activity even after, you know,

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Speaker 1: the help tries to come in right right, I get you. Well,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with

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Speaker 1: Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast

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Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network, and I have Sean

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00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: Austin and he was speaking on his experiences when it

484
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: comes to the demonic and the paranormal, and I'm curious,

485
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: can you tell us a little bit about some of

486
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: the things that you have come across. I think I

487
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: have four lifetimes worth of ghost stories and evil spirits.

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Speaker 1: Um gosh. There was a documentary that we just released

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00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: regarding a story I wrote about my second book, Shadow Chaser,

490
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: The in Between of a girl that I tried to help,

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Speaker 1: and it was just as I was reading out demonology,

492
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: I didn't learn enough and a girl was pregnant while

493
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: she was possessed UM. And I have audio and video documentation.

494
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: If no one wanted to touch this case with the

495
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: tent foot pole, because if something happens to the baby, UM,

496
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: then you know you could be held responsible. But this

497
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: girl latched onto me, and I felt emotionally invested to

498
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: try to help her anyway I could, so documenting evidence

499
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: even from states away, and having her documents stuff as

500
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: it was happening, and even activity in my own home

501
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: as I would talk to her would occur to back

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00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: up that claim. And I have audios clips of her

503
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: speaking English backwards. Um, she would go into its trance

504
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: and carve an upside down crossing her belly and think,

505
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: really just disturbing stuff and give a defining moment that. Um.

506
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: There's an audio recording on the documentary which is called

507
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: Devil Down South. UM. One of the time she was

508
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Speaker 1: on the phone with me and she was speaking in

509
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Speaker 1: like a man's voice, but it sounds like a layered voice.

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Speaker 1: And I have the recording and uh, you know, she

511
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: basically saying, Sean, she's mine something to hear, just out

512
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: of a movie. And I had a six inch crucifix

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00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: with me, and I'm on a normal phone call. And

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00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: as soon as I put the cross up to the phone,

515
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: she hissed at me. And it's just one of those

516
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: things that you know, try to wrap your head around it.

517
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: You know, why would it react in that manner? And

518
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: and and you know, she couldn't have known that I

519
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: put the cross right up to the phone and that's

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Speaker 1: when it hissed at me. It's a defining moment for

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Speaker 1: my faith. And it's just one of those examples, um,

522
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I take my faith very seriously. UM.

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00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: There's plenty of other things that I've experienced throughout the years.

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00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean I've been pulled out of my bed by

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00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: my all sorts of you know, act shadowy things, things

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00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: with horns. Um. I mean, you know, going in some

527
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: of these cases and you get the foul smells and

528
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: scratching on the walls the people and stuff, and having

529
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: a psychic ability. Even before going on cases, I would

530
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: be visited by some of these dark entities because they

531
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: know I'm coming and they want to sway you away

532
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: from actually trying to help these people. But you know,

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Speaker 1: since I'm so accustomed to this stuff and i know

534
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: the drill, it's you kind of know what you may

535
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: be dealing with your when you're going on a case,

536
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: and the validity of the case as well, before you go,

537
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's uh, that's absolutely horrific. And I'm

538
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: always horrified at people who think, Wow, this is cool,

539
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: let me go dive into a cemetery and trying to

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00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: scare up some spooks. I'm like, oh my gosh, what

541
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Speaker 1: are you doing. You're putting yourself at risk and and

542
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: those around you, and it's it's really, um, it's a

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00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: sad situation. Sometimes people find themselves in have you come

544
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: across people who have toyed with like the wigia boards

545
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: and and whatnot and gotten into a lot of trouble. Absolutely,

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00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, um, I can the line of work

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00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: to be involved in this stuff. You see all the

548
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: stuff that people mess around with. And even myself was

549
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: coerced to play with boar at the beginning of my journey,

550
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't know what I was doing, and I

551
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: got oppressed from it, you know. I after going back

552
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: to Bobby Mackie's and I came home and it followed

553
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: me for about two weeks. Um. It was trying to

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00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: make me go to the cemetery by myself. I'd sit

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00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: there and smell like rotting flesh and and have voices saying,

556
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: hail to this demon and hail to that demon. Um.

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00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, I was sitting at my computer and felt

558
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: burning on the top of my feet and I was

559
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: bleeding on the top of my feet. The were three

560
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: scratches on my left foot and just bleeding on top

561
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: of my foot. And I even came out my sisters

562
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: like what the hell is wrong with you? Like, is

563
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: that the stigmata um about to I really had to

564
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: mentally go through the pain most painful experience ever. I

565
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: couldn't even sleep. I'd be you know, pacing up and

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00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: downstairs at five o'clock in the morning. I felt like

567
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: I was watching my family burn alive and my life

568
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: was over like it. I mean, that's what these things do.

569
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: And looking back, that what I experienced in having a

570
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: deeper firsthand um experience when it comes to oppression, which

571
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: is the psychological break down the individual before it could

572
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 1: lead to something even more serious. And that's what they

573
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: were doing to me. But I know that God let

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00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: me go through that so I can have a deeper

575
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: understanding of what people go through. So when I go

576
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: on these cases and I do see some sort of

577
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: oppression taking place, it's kind of like a drug addict

578
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: to a you know, drug counsel used to be a

579
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: drug addict themselves and saying I've been in that dark

580
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: place too, I can relate to that. I know exactly

581
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: what they're doing. This is what you need to do. Yes, definitely.

582
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: I always say I'm someone who has been there, seeing that,

583
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: experienced it, freaked out, found to answers, got over it,

584
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: wrote about it, and now trying to help other people

585
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: do the same thing because it's like you totally understand

586
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: and relate along the path like, oh, oh this is

587
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 1: coming next, Okay, get ready, this is what you gotta do.

588
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: I feel you. I feel you, and it's it's so

589
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: very important that I think that. And I'm not I'm

590
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: not biased, but I kind of am when it comes

591
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: to researchers who have in through, uh, the ordeals that

592
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: that you're you're trying to research and write about and

593
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: help the next person about. Because you know, somebody looking

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00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: at it from the outside only be an objective, it

595
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: doesn't quite hit home. I don't feel so that's why

596
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: the bad things happen to us. And you know, whatever

597
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: genre of obstacle that human beings are supposed to endure,

598
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: it's for a reason. Life is not about being perfect.

599
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: It's about learning through struggle. And people that have these

600
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: spiritual experiences. I think it's individualized for our purpose, our

601
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: sole purpose why we came here. It's part of our

602
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: life journey force these specific people and some of us

603
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: that are involved in the paranormal, and it's an opportunity

604
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: for us to learn through it and whatever it is

605
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: in life, it's about how you cope with dark experiences

606
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: and are you going to make that take you down

607
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: and be a shadow for the rest of your life,

608
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: or are you going to turn into something positive and

609
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: use that experience to help yourself and further yourself, um,

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00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, on a spiritual level, and or or help

611
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: other people and whoever you encounter with that experience, however

612
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: tragic or however horrific it can be. It's really about

613
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: making our soul stronger and learning from the things that

614
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: we should appreciate and be grateful for. Yeah, a lot

615
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: of people are like, I don't know why God would

616
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: would allow such a thing to happen to me. And

617
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, you don't feel like you

618
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: always needed something to happen that is on the negative end,

619
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: but you did get stronger when you're through the other side,

620
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: so um yeah, it's it can be puzzling, but you know,

621
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: coming together like researchers, experiencers, authors and whatnot. Uh, it's

622
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: like we place our piece of the puzzle in there

623
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: and and hope to solve some of the riddles, but

624
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: nobody has all of the answers. But I find that

625
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: those people who are holdouts and sharing what it is

626
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: they've experienced, like some of these stories, like I'll get

627
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: the email and it's like, I haven't told anybody this,

628
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: but I would tell you this, please don't share it,

629
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, my goodness, if only people would

630
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: put out what they're experiencing out there to the world,

631
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: I think we would have more pieces to the puzzle.

632
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: And I agree with that, and that's how I felt

633
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: because I never thought i'd be a published author, and

634
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: now having two books out, I think it's important. Even

635
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: if it helps one person or thousands of people, it's

636
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: still making a ripple. It's still making a difference. And

637
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: that's why these experience happened to us to go, you know,

638
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: reiterate on that. That part is just like there's an

639
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: opportunity for us to learn through this stuff, and if

640
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: you keep it inside, you're not going to be fully helped.

641
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: You're not gonna fully learn from that lesson, and you

642
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Speaker 1: can't help others by keeping it yourself. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like even just an artist who keeps paintings to themselves

644
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Speaker 1: and doesn't get to share that amazing joy to the

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Speaker 1: world that other people can enjoy who appreciate art absolutely absolutely,

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Speaker 1: so tell us a little bit about these books that

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Speaker 1: you have about sure. So my first book is called

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Speaker 1: Shadow Chaser. Now, the name is actually interesting because I

649
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 1: didn't just come up with it to have a cool name.

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00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: I have a good friend of mine, her name is Judy,

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Speaker 1: and uh, she knows the psychic that she trusts. And

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Speaker 1: one day she showed a picture of me and she

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Speaker 1: doesn't know who I am, and she's like, what is

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Speaker 1: your psychic impressions of him? And the first thing she

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Speaker 1: said is that he is a shadow chaser. And she said,

656
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Speaker 1: what does that mean? She says, well, he's meant to

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Speaker 1: take shadows and send them back to what they belong.

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Speaker 1: So that is why I called my two books that

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Speaker 1: I've released so far that name because of that, because

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Speaker 1: it really resoundingly feels like that is the path I've

661
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: been on. So anything that is from the dark side

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00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: you consider to be what you're chasing. Well, just dealing

663
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Speaker 1: with that sort of thing, because I have like a

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Speaker 1: way of approaching the paranormal that a lot of people don't,

665
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: not just helping people and going on cases and blessing

666
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: a home or doing the exorcism ritual on a location. Um,

667
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: it's helping the spirits, trying to pray for them um

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00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: and show evidence of that um getting down on an

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Speaker 1: individual level with these spirits, not just letting them speak

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Speaker 1: to us, but giving an opportunity of why they're staying here,

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Speaker 1: why they're stuck here, or why they might actually be

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Speaker 1: held and trapped by a dark force, which is something

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00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: that I've actually experienced many times, which is even the

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Speaker 1: subject case of my first book, the story in Shadow Chaser,

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Speaker 1: and also this recent documentary Mallafis It's a true story

676
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: with Demono Lanting based on that story, and what happened

677
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: there is that I went to a location Ohio with

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Speaker 1: a friend Dave Spinks, a fellow investigator, and ended up

679
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: finding out, you know, psychically and experience there that there

680
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: was some sort of evil doctor that was doing illegal

681
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: abortions on the prostitutes from the brothel across the street,

682
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Speaker 1: and some of the babies might be buried on the property,

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Speaker 1: and I think he was murdering and tortuning these women.

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Speaker 1: So within a couple of days of investigating this place,

685
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: these these women were asking for help. I prayed for them,

686
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: and I believe they crossed over and for about five

687
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: of years, this evil man in life, whatever he was,

688
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: there was a demonic force behind it. I don't know

689
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: if they were combined in one or whatever it is.

690
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: It wanted to take revenge against me, and there was

691
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Speaker 1: a relationship that I was potentially being involved with with

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Speaker 1: a lady, a girl, um, and there was there was

693
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: some sort of influence there to try to sabotage it,

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00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: and it took responsibility for it, and I knew I

695
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: had to return back to that place to validate my

696
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: experiences throughout the years of it wanting to take revenge

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Speaker 1: and what initially happened, And then I did an exorcism

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Speaker 1: on the property to rid the evil from that property

699
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: in me once and for all. And that's just a

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00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: whole different level of what I do. Is like, you

701
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: can really piss off evil spirits if they have these

702
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: souls that are trapped somehow, and you think about going

703
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: residential cases, and these are souls that the devil's trying

704
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: to get to trying to get these souls, but you're

705
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: talking about souls that are already passed away, that are stuck,

706
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: and these demonic spirits are responsible for them and take

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00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: constantly keep them in a suffering experience. UM. And if

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00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: you take a soul away from the devil. You know,

709
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about being an adversary to the enemy of man,

710
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: and they're always going to look to take their revenge

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00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: against you. But that was a really unique experience, and

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Speaker 1: it's something that I had had happened before. But it's

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00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: on a spiritual level, not your typical thing. Yeah. I

714
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: don't know about you, but when I took off something evil,

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Speaker 1: I always take it as a big compliment because it's like,

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00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: that's exactly the response I was hoping for. Thank you

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Speaker 1: I have Sean Austin. He was sharing about his background

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Speaker 1: and his books that he's written. And you've also been

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Speaker 1: guided and mentored along the way in some very unique areas.

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Speaker 1: Do you tell us a little bit about that? Sure? So,

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Speaker 1: bringing people on and really picking their brain because I

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Speaker 1: really think that we can all learn something from each other.

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Speaker 1: to reach out to was Ralph SARChI Um. If you

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Speaker 1: don't know who Ralph is. His book UM Where the

768
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Speaker 1: Night ended up being the inspiration for the movie two

769
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Speaker 1: thousand fourteen Delivers from Evil, which Eric Bannet was a

770
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Speaker 1: cop and it's based off his book and a bunch

771
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: of his cases. UM. Ralph worked in the beginning with

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Speaker 1: ed Lo Raine Warren and was mentored by Father Malachi

773
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Speaker 1: Martin and Bishop McKennon, which are probably the most respected

774
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Speaker 1: exorcists of our time around the pioneering days. And it's

775
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Speaker 1: very humbling to be around people and any any people

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00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: UM during those times when there were no TV shows,

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Speaker 1: people were just doing this for the research and to

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00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: help people UM. And I was very humbled that Ralph

779
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: took me on and I ended up being part of

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Speaker 1: UM you know, a three part series for Discovery back

781
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: in two thousand fifteen, The Demon Files, where I wasn't

782
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: investigated for Ralph, But throughout the years I kept on

783
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Speaker 1: my relationship with Ralph and he mentored me further and

784
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Speaker 1: that's how I approach UM demonology and learning about demonology

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Speaker 1: from his his background. I've learned a lot from him. Amazing.

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Speaker 1: Now have you come across an increase of activity during

787
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Speaker 1: this pandemic where people are oppressed to presston becoming possessed more? UM?

788
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: I mean possession is very rare. UM. It's it's more

789
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: more of a lot of oppressions UM where people are

790
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: literally being influenced to be depressed, sad or angry UM

791
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: to the point where they could potentially want to harm

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Speaker 1: themselves or others. UM. Obviously, the pandemic and a lot

793
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Speaker 1: of the negativity and the emotional state of so many

794
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Speaker 1: people and not knowing where our world was going and

795
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Speaker 1: what's going to happen, in the feeling of being trapped

796
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: and all that stuff UM can definitely contribute to negative

797
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: or because negative energy thrives off negative energy, and if

798
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: it's intelligent in nature, that's why they latch onto people,

799
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Speaker 1: especially who have dark backgrounds, abusive backgrounds with their abuse

800
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: or drug abuse, whatever it is, because they know that

801
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: they can amplify that and feed off of it. So

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00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: if there's a scenario or location or a a place where

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00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: people are suffering in some sort of way or indulging

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Speaker 1: or having negative thoughts and being depressed and doing whatever

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Speaker 1: it is that brings that darkness ins of the life,

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00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: there's gonna be darkness there to try to feed off

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Speaker 1: of it. So absolutely I believe that's a contributorum during

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Speaker 1: the pandemic, and I have seen a lot of people

809
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: being oppressed and stuff like that. Yeah, you know, it's

810
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: uh definitely been running the gamut the different activity and

811
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Speaker 1: the different things that people are reporting out there. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I've also seen a connection between a lot of other

813
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Speaker 1: paranormal activity. Have you come across people who report experiencing

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Speaker 1: things like lights in the sky or alien beings as

815
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: part of some of their even polter geist like activity

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Speaker 1: going on in their homes. I mean, I've I've definitely

817
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Speaker 1: heard about people seeing things at the sky. I've seen

818
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Speaker 1: some questionable things in the sky, But the alien thing

819
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: is such a um sparse thing, um compared to ghostly things,

820
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Speaker 1: because I feel like the ghostly entities that are around

821
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Speaker 1: there everywhere, they're right there in front of us. It's

822
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: it's right here with us. Um that these potential alien things,

823
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: we really don't know what they are or what people

824
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Speaker 1: are actually seeing, whether it is something rational or not.

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Speaker 1: And even if you know anything about the demonic with

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Speaker 1: their visions or their lucid dreams, and if they're seeing aliens,

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Speaker 1: they feel like they're being abducted. Knowing what we know

828
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Speaker 1: about demons, they can actually disguise themselves into whatever they

829
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Speaker 1: want and to create, uh, you know, a fear scenario

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Speaker 1: where people could actually be distracted and think it is

831
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Speaker 1: aliens or something else, when in fact, it's trying to

832
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: induce some sort of negative psychological attack on the person,

833
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: because you know, we know that demonic energies don't want

834
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Speaker 1: to be discovered for their true actions and intent with

835
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: their tactical actions against us from the shadows exactly, I

836
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: say they hide for a reason. And uh yeah. Shape

837
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Speaker 1: shifting is also an element that's associated with different alien beings,

838
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: And it's like, hold on, isn't that biblical? So that

839
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Speaker 1: you know, can make themselves appear as something else. And

840
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Speaker 1: I always say to people, close your eyes and feel

841
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Speaker 1: what's in front of you and just go with that.

842
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: It's like putting it in a category to say it's

843
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: alien or demonic. It doesn't really matter if you deal

844
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: with them in the same way. You know, It's like

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Speaker 1: if it feels evil, it smells evil, I think it's evil. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean think about it. Is that you know, if

847
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Speaker 1: somebody was having a lucid dream experience involving an alien

848
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Speaker 1: abduction and they feel like they're being like what what

849
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Speaker 1: would that person be able to do? Nothing? But if

850
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Speaker 1: it was a demonic thing and they're feeling like it's

851
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: something spiritually involved, then that person or individual will have

852
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: a better chance of discover ring what it truly is

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00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: and what it's trying to do, and have a better

854
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Speaker 1: chance to get the help they generally need. Oh it's

855
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: been interesting some of these aliens they recognize the name

856
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: of Jesus. Is that something you say in Jesus name,

857
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: leave me alone? And oh the aliens left? You know that?

858
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: That is funny, you know, I mean, that's that's the thing.

859
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: And I have witnessed it stuff firsthand, you know, I

860
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: get things anything evil significance. Oh same here. Oh my gosh.

861
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: It's it's been a wild experience. And having discovered named

862
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: and now trademark shadow people and hat Man, and having

863
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: the thousands of stories come in from all over the

864
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: globe about these things and having aliens show up right

865
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: alongside of these things as well. So it's uh, yeah, yeah,

866
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: isn't it. I think it's fabulous that the the force

867
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: the name Jesus is recognized, uh, universally, And it's it's fabulous.

868
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: That's a great tool to have. So, in speaking of tools,

869
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: when you go into a city situation, is there something

870
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: that you do to prepare yourself or do you bring

871
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: along with you. I mean, if you're talking about protection,

872
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, um, Ralph has a relictive. The

873
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: true Christ Jesus is crucified on anything it touches is

874
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: considered a third class relic. It is touched my st

875
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: Michael Pennant I wear around my neck every day. It

876
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: also had been touched by all the sat Benedict metals

877
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: I use when I'm sealing a property and putting in

878
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: the four corner of the property to displace the energy

879
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: out so it doesn't come back in. Um, you know,

880
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: prayer and holy water. I mean, it just depends. UM.

881
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: If I feel like I'm walking into something more serious,

882
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: and because I'm I consider myself my own piece of equipment. UM,

883
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm using that ability even before going to a location

884
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: or talking to somebody over the phone with some of

885
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: the things that I'd be picking up to prepare myself

886
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: if it's going to be more serious, um than normal,

887
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: and whether or not I need to bring somebody on

888
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: to actually help me. Um. But you know, I used

889
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: the scientific equipment and some of the I t C

890
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: pieces of equipment to valid date some of the things

891
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: that I pick up psychically and validate also and coaporate

892
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: with the people or the family whatever they're experiencing in

893
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: the home. Gotcha. So you generally do these things solo,

894
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: except when you're you're along helping Ralph out. Well, Ralph's

895
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: actually taking a step back. Um. I've done obviously cases

896
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: in the past with Ralph. But UM, you know, if

897
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: I need like any sort of knowledge that I'm not aware,

898
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: I would I would go to Ralph and ask you

899
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: his advice if there's a case that's a little bit

900
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: more complicated, just to get some extra feedback. Um. But

901
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: if I need like an individual to actually come with

902
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: me on a case, just that an actually have an

903
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: extra pair of hands, I feel like it's more serious

904
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: than I would do so and with some people that

905
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: I trust. Gotcha. Are you finding that sometimes you're able

906
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: to just counsel people and do this remotely? Um? Well,

907
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking to people, you can figure

908
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: out if they're dealing with something truly paranom or if

909
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: it's something that they're kind of trying to distract themselves

910
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: from U your life that they're not, you know, trying

911
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: to avoid or face. Um. And I have seen a

912
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: lot of cases where there's nothing really going on that's paranormal,

913
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: or they might just need somebody to talk to and

914
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: be guided, um, you know from kind of you know,

915
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: acknowledging stuff that may not be there, and you can

916
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: actually attract something at your home that wasn't there in

917
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: the first place because you're playing around your house and

918
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: constantly investigating your home when your home needs to be

919
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: your sanctuary, your place of peace. Um, so it just depends. Yeah,

920
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: isn't that wild house. Sometimes people go through and doing

921
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: uh e v P s and nothing was there before.

922
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: But sometimes they just see what you're doing and they

923
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: kind of creep up on you and start singing a

924
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: song in your mic. Yeah. Yeah. You know what's so

925
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: funny is like a lot of these places that I've

926
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: gone to that are just you know, these places that

927
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: I researched or I go investigate, like places that are

928
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: just have these interesting urban legends, and you go there

929
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: and it's just like you find out the urban legends

930
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: most likely not true, but you go there and it

931
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: is haunted. It's probably because you have a lot of

932
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: young kids who show up at these places they read

933
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: about on the internet and they actually mess around with

934
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: the occult like the Reachi board and whatever they want

935
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: to do to antagonize or try to create, um, you know,

936
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: activity for themselves that they can have a thrill and

937
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: actually make a place that wasn't truly haunted before genuinely

938
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: haunting after what they did with their free will unbelievable. Well, Sean,

939
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: how can people get ahold of you? If they want

940
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: to get your books or need your services, all you

941
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: have to do is go to my website Shawn D

942
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: Austin dot com, s E A N D S and

943
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: David at U S C I N I mail out

944
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: signed books, um DVDs, shirts, UM. I'm also a musician singer,

945
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: UM I mail out signed c D s anywhere in

946
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: the US otherwise and get my books off Amazon or

947
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: my music online. And there's my email context as well. Wow,

948
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: I really want to thank you for coming on this program.

949
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: Really fascinating work, and I wish you the best for

950
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 1: your future work as well. Thank you really appreciate it.

951
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, remember go to my main website Heidi

952
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com and tell

953
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: me what's on your mind, tell me what's going on.

954
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: Fill out the form that you see there and give

955
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: me the details, ask your questions, share your research, share

956
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: your perspective. This is what this show is all about.

957
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,959
Speaker 1: It is a show made for you and made by

958
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: you in all honesty, because it's your material and it

959
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: is the stuff that I've been covering for a long time,

960
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: things that I've discovered myself. But the heart of the

961
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: show is the stories. I love to hear the stories

962
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: because I think feeling out what is going on, hearing

963
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: what's going on and trying to decipher it, it is

964
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: all part of this. So yeah, don't hesitate, and again

965
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: I still welcome, of course, if you don't want to

966
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: have your story shared, I get it. I understand. Uh.

967
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: I saw it firsthand going to this UFO conference recently

968
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: and wow, um no one wanted to go on record,

969
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: but it happens. What can you say? What can you do?

970
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: But you know, one of the reasons why I brought

971
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: up this whole topic this episode is because I had

972
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: a tremendous email sent to me that was so moving

973
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: and it was so inspiring and it had so much

974
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: good information that I feel like so many people could

975
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: have benefited from. But first line, they said, please don't

976
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: share this. I just biting at the bit like come on,

977
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: so yeah, I get it, And then other times I'm like, darn,

978
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: but what can you do? But well, you guys who

979
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: come to the bottom of another program, I hope that

980
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: you learned a lot. I know that I did. And

981
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: you have been listening to Dark Becomes Light with me

982
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to

983
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: Coast i AM Paranambal Podcast Network. We'll see you next time.

984
00:53:47,760 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: Stay safe, everybody. Yeah, well, if you liked this edition

985
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: of Dark Becomes Light, wait till you hear the next one.

986
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,960
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Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.