Speaker 1: Some Boy Meets World in Pop Culture News. We got
Speaker 1: a lot of emails about all three of these things.
Speaker 1: And first up is a new movie out called Boy
Speaker 1: Kills worlds Well sent it in our group chat. We
Speaker 1: also got a lot of emails about it. There were
Speaker 1: a lot of comments on social media. It comes out
Speaker 1: in April, but the trailer was released last month and
Speaker 1: it stars Bill Scarsgard, Jessica Roth or maybe Roth and
Speaker 1: Brett Gelman. It may have similarities to the name of
Speaker 1: our show, but that's about where it ends. The movie
Speaker 1: is about a deaf man named Boy who escapes to
Speaker 1: the jungle after his family is killed. He's then trained
Speaker 1: by a mysterious mentor to enact vengeance on the murderers.
Speaker 2: Oh god's my dream movie.
Speaker 3: It's like kill Bill, right, it's a very kill Bill
Speaker 3: John Wickish.
Speaker 4: Right, you want to star in that movie?
Speaker 2: Will If they're the like the the lead guy.
Speaker 5: Is this really out of shape guy who doesn't really
Speaker 5: pick up the martial arts quickly?
Speaker 2: I'm the guy you call. That'd be great. I get
Speaker 2: to the first you know, it's always like a video game.
Speaker 5: You've got to go level by level and you get
Speaker 5: to the bad boss, right, and be killed at the
Speaker 5: first level every single time.
Speaker 4: I think you sell yourself short.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but do we think.
Speaker 1: The title is a reference to boy Meets World? Did
Speaker 1: boy meets World create that phrase?
Speaker 4: Meets World?
Speaker 2: No, boy meets.
Speaker 3: Girl, Right, So I think it was a development.
Speaker 7: I think it was boy meets Girl is like the
Speaker 7: saying or the phrase, and then boy Meets World was a.
Speaker 3: Play on that.
Speaker 7: And now it does seem like boy meets World has
Speaker 7: entered enough of the like cultural zeite guys that you
Speaker 7: can build on off that, right, Yeah, so it's like riff.
Speaker 3: It is sort of a riff on our I mean.
Speaker 7: I think because howels because I remember when Boy Meet's
Speaker 7: World was the title, when that was announced before we
Speaker 7: did or we had already done the pilot, it.
Speaker 3: Was we were all like kind of and then it
Speaker 3: just kind of got used to it.
Speaker 7: And now it's totally like, I can't imagine it being
Speaker 7: called anything else, but it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was a great.
Speaker 2: Title at first it either.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I can't even I can't even like reset
Speaker 7: my brain to that feeling because.
Speaker 3: I can't show I.
Speaker 1: Have no memory of it's just like right being the thing, right,
Speaker 1: and I wonder.
Speaker 3: If most people feel that way. Now you know it's.
Speaker 5: Because you when you booked it, though, because now we've
Speaker 5: seen the original original.
Speaker 2: When you booked it, was it the Ben Savage Project
Speaker 2: or was.
Speaker 3: It eleven untitled Ben Savage product?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I never saw it. It was eleven.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so the pilot that you got, because you actually
Speaker 7: send it to me and I haven't watched it. You
Speaker 7: sent want the original you did, and it was called
Speaker 7: eleven in that Yeah, yeah, okay, so it must have
Speaker 7: been untitled Ben Savage. Then they tested eleven, right, and
Speaker 7: then they were like, Nope, that's not gonna work, and
Speaker 7: this older brother's not going to work, and that dad's
Speaker 7: not gonna work, and so they made all those changes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I remember.
Speaker 7: Going back to BOYL and being like what they talking
Speaker 7: with my parents being like I don't like this, but
Speaker 7: now I totally love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, perfectly.
Speaker 4: I want to clarify.
Speaker 1: I think we had talked about this very early on
Speaker 1: in the show, that we had seen the original pilot,
Speaker 1: that Will had found it. I think we talked about
Speaker 1: it on the show, but just in case we haven't,
Speaker 1: Will had a copy of the original Boy Meets World pilot.
Speaker 1: That was the one we saw called eleven and no,
Speaker 1: I'll answer your question now, we will not and cannot
Speaker 1: post it. But it had the original cast members, the
Speaker 1: original Eric and the original Alan Matthews.
Speaker 4: So we we have seen it, but we know we
Speaker 4: will not share it with you.
Speaker 1: As much as we'd love to, we would be sued
Speaker 1: to high heavens, yes so fast.
Speaker 7: Something that's with the title that's always struck me is
Speaker 7: like I realized after we finished the show, Like you know,
Speaker 7: if I talked about the show ever in my life,
Speaker 7: and I know we all when we talked about it,
Speaker 7: we always referred to it as boy.
Speaker 4: Boy like we were just shortened it to boy, but
Speaker 4: fans didn't do that.
Speaker 7: Like within the production we always said, oh I got
Speaker 7: to go back to work on boy, or we're in
Speaker 7: a new season a boy like That's how we always
Speaker 7: referred to it. And it was like later I would
Speaker 7: make that reference to non production members.
Speaker 3: That it'd be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 7: And if anything, it would be shortened to like BMW
Speaker 7: yeah yeah, which is so weird because we never called
Speaker 7: it that, like we never were like you know, and
Speaker 7: so I wonder where that's at now because I'm assuming
Speaker 7: we still call it boy, like do we I don't
Speaker 7: know on this show do we call it?
Speaker 1: I call it BMW and anything that's written bmwbmwbm do
Speaker 1: anything written is BMW. I will say, especially if we're
Speaker 1: ever talking about boy versus girl, Like when somebody comes
Speaker 1: up to me and talks to me at a con
Speaker 1: and they say, like playing Topanga and they have a
Speaker 1: question about it, and I'll say, well, when we were
Speaker 1: doing boy and then and then, but then when we
Speaker 1: did girl, and so I I do notice that, I'll
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 4: I say it like that.
Speaker 2: I just call it fuller house, which is really confusing,
Speaker 2: how that you know.
Speaker 1: What you're right now that now that you mention it
Speaker 1: my show is that? Where my show Eric Matthews Show.
Speaker 1: When I was on my show, I was on So
Speaker 1: Second Up. One of TV's best and brightest stars in
Speaker 1: my humble opinion, was on Hot Ones with Sean Evans,
Speaker 1: a show where celebrities eat escalating hot wings.
Speaker 4: During an interview, I.
Speaker 2: Want to do that.
Speaker 4: I want to do it.
Speaker 2: I want to do it.
Speaker 3: Well, you took the kalas off of my plate. Last night.
Speaker 3: We had dinner at like taking a kalipino off of every.
Speaker 7: Single piece of sushi that they were serving.
Speaker 3: You were like, you're not going to eat those.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, right, if we ever got
Speaker 1: offered to do hot ones as a trio and you
Speaker 1: said no and then we didn't get to do it,
Speaker 1: I would not kill you, but I would think.
Speaker 3: Can you tap out? Can you stop? Yes, I've never
Speaker 3: seen it.
Speaker 7: I could just tap out before we even started to
Speaker 7: be like, yeah, you can tap out.
Speaker 3: Milk God the option.
Speaker 1: You could have any type of milk you want, but
Speaker 1: milk is counteracts the heat, so they let you could
Speaker 1: have an oat milk.
Speaker 7: Much eat like bread. Isn't it better to eat something
Speaker 7: that like sort of absorbs the oils.
Speaker 2: They let you do that though.
Speaker 1: When we were in Thailand, I ate the hottest fries
Speaker 1: I've ever eaten in my life, and nothing was working.
Speaker 1: I was like, anything, give me regular fries, give me bread,
Speaker 1: give me a cracker or anything.
Speaker 4: And milk did actually help.
Speaker 2: It helps a bit.
Speaker 1: The time I got to milk, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is working a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's a stop gap to get you to the bathroom.
Speaker 3: Correct, this is so awful.
Speaker 6: Why do you do this too.
Speaker 4: We want to do it.
Speaker 8: I want to do it.
Speaker 2: I want to do it. I do so.
Speaker 1: In this segment, Sean is rapid Fire asking Quinta Brunson
Speaker 1: questions and her thoughts on some classic sitcoms. And she's
Speaker 1: from Abbott Elementary I've never seen. He is incredible and
Speaker 1: she's just I absolutely love her. I follow her on Instagram.
Speaker 1: She's one Emmy's She's she's like an EP. She's so
Speaker 1: freaking smart and wonderful. Anyway, Boy Meets World is mentioned,
Speaker 1: and here's the clip, and remember she's currently trying not
Speaker 1: to die from wing heat.
Speaker 9: Okay, world great in Philadelphia, mister Feenie legend, interesting cast,
Speaker 9: one of the first interracial couples on on our on
Speaker 9: our TV screens that we just allowed in every day.
Speaker 9: Good to Panga, that's fine.
Speaker 3: That's fine, to Panga, that's fine.
Speaker 4: That's a bunch you though. That's a fun name.
Speaker 1: I loved it and everybody kept sending it to us.
Speaker 4: So great, so fun.
Speaker 1: Always fun to see a Boy Meets World mentioned, like
Speaker 1: in the wild, you know, like when it's on Jeopardy
Speaker 1: or something. I always think, Wow, that's so cool.
Speaker 5: I'm still waiting to see one of our Pod meets
Speaker 5: World shirts in the wild was I saw one? A
Speaker 5: guy walked onto an airplane with one, but it was
Speaker 5: coming back from one of our live shows.
Speaker 4: I think, what about the counts?
Speaker 3: What about the football player who got injured during the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh j yeah that counts.
Speaker 10: You were one of our shirts, right, I met like
Speaker 10: in like I actually, yeah, he went to the mall
Speaker 10: or something, and it's like, and I never go to
Speaker 10: the mall, so that probably won't happen, but somewhere where
Speaker 10: I'm like, hey, Pod meets World shirt, that would be cool.
Speaker 1: Well, finally, this one has been brought to my attention
Speaker 1: a lot, and it involved another best and Brightest star,
Speaker 1: Elvis himself some might.
Speaker 4: Say Oscar nominee.
Speaker 1: Austin Butler, the thirty two year old was asked on
Speaker 1: the Drew berry More Show about who his first crush was,
Speaker 1: and here is his answer.
Speaker 4: It was your first crush.
Speaker 11: I think, like Topanga on what was that show? Was that?
Speaker 8: Boy? Is that?
Speaker 6: What was that?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 3: Say you find a boy in this world? Which one
Speaker 3: is it? Boymous world?
Speaker 8: To me?
Speaker 6: Manga?
Speaker 4: Okay, So it sounds.
Speaker 2: Like just a bunch of clips of celebrities talking about you.
Speaker 3: Hmm, is that what you you found? Shatter?
Speaker 6: And another time people loved me and here I was
Speaker 6: the world crush.
Speaker 1: From getting asked about Boy Meets World And then one
Speaker 1: that's Austin Butler saying I was his crush.
Speaker 4: Outed this whole thing.
Speaker 2: Now, you guys.
Speaker 4: Accusing me of it being about me.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 1: I thought that was very cute and people sent it
Speaker 1: to me all over the place because Austin Butler is
Speaker 1: obviously I mean, he's a smoke show and that's pretty
Speaker 1: cool to be his first crush.
Speaker 4: But also I just want to play this clip because.
Speaker 1: Because it from a few months earlier when he was
Speaker 1: promoting Elvis and weirdly w magazine asks him, who was
Speaker 1: your first crush?
Speaker 4: And here's what he said.
Speaker 8: It was my cinematic crush.
Speaker 11: I had a crush on to Panga from as A
Speaker 11: Saved by the Bell. Oh, to Pega from Boy Meets
Speaker 11: World It's not Saved by the Bell?
Speaker 3: Yeah to Penga, Yeah, I watched that a lot.
Speaker 8: As a kid.
Speaker 11: I feel like that's the first time I remember having
Speaker 11: a crush.
Speaker 3: He's stilling a cool and cool. I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know what show it was, Mike, Why keep
Speaker 3: doing a bit?
Speaker 4: What do you keep doing a bit?
Speaker 8: Bro?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit.
Speaker 6: Elvis's Creek the first one? Which one to get it?
Speaker 4: You didn't remember? Saved by the Bell? Couldn't couldn't get
Speaker 4: it right? Who was it? Save by the Bell? Just
Speaker 4: a few months.
Speaker 6: Later, you know he's got he's got a lot in
Speaker 6: his his play.
Speaker 3: He's dealing with a lot.
Speaker 7: He's still it's like Saved by the Bell and boy
Speaker 7: means world occupy the same part.
Speaker 3: Of his uh, his brain. You know that was a
Speaker 3: good show.
Speaker 1: I think he's still doing the Elephs voice I can't.
Speaker 2: Get rid of and send one out to her.
Speaker 3: Let's let's keep our yours open. I wonder if he's
Speaker 3: gonna do it a third time.
Speaker 7: Show.
Speaker 1: At this point, no one out there doesn't know the answer,
Speaker 1: so no one will ask him that same question again
Speaker 1: and yet again.
Speaker 4: Who's your first crush? Anyway? Welcome to Pod Meets World.
Speaker 4: I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm writer Strong, and I'm Wilfredell.
Speaker 1: So if you have been listening to the season four
Speaker 1: episodes of this podcast, you know that, without a doubt,
Speaker 1: this has been the absolute best run of Boy Meets
Speaker 1: World we have seen so far. There have been so
Speaker 1: many iconic moments, memorable storylines, legendary quotes, peak performances, and
Speaker 1: hilario jokes. It has caught us completely off guard. How
Speaker 1: did this particular run of scripts and ideas for twenty
Speaker 1: two episodes of the show become what appears to be
Speaker 1: an undeniable sweet spot?
Speaker 4: What happened? What was different?
Speaker 1: How did they bat so close to a thousand? We've
Speaker 1: thrown out ideas like increased budget, a comfort over time
Speaker 1: with the production schedule, a shift in the writer's room,
Speaker 1: or a newfound commitment to other characters. Anything is possible,
Speaker 1: but we want to know more about it. So to
Speaker 1: talk about the excellence that is season four, we are
Speaker 1: welcoming back one of the core members of the creative team.
Speaker 1: His name has appeared on some of the most classic
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World scripts, and from what we've seen so
Speaker 1: far in season four, he wrote Shallow Boy, Dangerous Secret,
Speaker 1: and an Affair to Forget Quite a trio. So please
Speaker 1: welcome back to Pod Meets World. Writer and producer Jeff Sherman.
Speaker 7: Hey, hi gotcha?
Speaker 6: Are you not?
Speaker 2: Did you give up your more? And this is not
Speaker 2: an exaggeration.
Speaker 5: Sixteen mile walk to come and talk to us today.
Speaker 8: I would give up seventeen miles for you.
Speaker 2: He walked sixteen miles. He walked sixteen miles a day.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 8: I got into a pattern of walking eight miles a day.
Speaker 8: But then about twice a week, I'll try to get
Speaker 8: down to the beach and I'll just walk in the
Speaker 8: bike path for sixteen miles.
Speaker 3: So and you're listening to Podmeet's World the whole time.
Speaker 8: I actually do.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 8: You could staff over by, I walk and I just
Speaker 8: get lost in what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Screaming at us the whole time. You're like, that's not what,
Speaker 3: that's not right. That's once in a while, it's just
Speaker 3: I wish I could just you know, all in. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's why we had you back. That's why we had
Speaker 3: to have you back.
Speaker 8: I'm so honored to be back you guys. It's great.
Speaker 1: Well, we wanted to bring you back on the show
Speaker 1: to talk about the magic that has been season four
Speaker 1: and what was happening behind the scenes while like all
Speaker 1: this classic was being made.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I've been on the show from the
Speaker 8: very beginning, not the pilot itself, but I came on.
Speaker 8: My first episode was on the Fence, the first episode
Speaker 8: that aired out, so I'd been on it the whole
Speaker 8: time and seen different iterations of the staff. You know.
Speaker 8: The first year it was like a doctor in Strauss
Speaker 8: kind of year in April Kelly, and then they all left,
Speaker 8: and then it was David Kendall for a couple of years,
Speaker 8: and then the fourth year, Bob Young came on and
Speaker 8: David left. I think he'd had enough of it, really know.
Speaker 8: We never really talked about it, but it's sort of
Speaker 8: the same way you guys are with the cast. People
Speaker 8: would leave the staff and we would never hear why,
Speaker 8: but you know, it just kind of happened, right. So
Speaker 8: fourth year came on and I loved Bob Young. He
Speaker 8: was great. He was a perfect kind of a counter
Speaker 8: to Michael. He was really kind of, you know, joke
Speaker 8: structurally interesting things. He had sort of different take on things,
Speaker 8: and he was sort of a voice of reason sometimes
Speaker 8: when when you that writer's room.
Speaker 6: So interesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was a very different personality because I mean
Speaker 7: to be honest, like Bob, he sort of he for us.
Speaker 7: He was not like very aggressive, he was very sort
Speaker 7: of the nicest Yeah, totally the nicest guy. But I
Speaker 7: always remember, like if I was having a conversation with Bob,
Speaker 7: it was like, okay, we've been thinking. It was always
Speaker 7: so reasonable and sort of like, here's what's been going on.
Speaker 7: He's just such a great guy, but a very different
Speaker 7: energy than like the rest of the writing stuff.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know, the great thing with the
Speaker 8: writing staff is you tend to get you know, when
Speaker 8: you when you fill a writer's room, you get people.
Speaker 8: It's like a baseball team. You get somebody's good at hitting,
Speaker 8: somebody that's good at pitching, somebody that's good at fielding, whatever.
Speaker 8: And so that room the fourth year, I think it
Speaker 8: really kind of came together and there was a lot
Speaker 8: of cooking there. You know, we had bloodin bus Gang
Speaker 8: Minell was there, he was that, Matt Nelson was there.
Speaker 8: I don't completely remember the whole was Kevin there, Kevin
Speaker 8: Calton maybe he might.
Speaker 4: Have been Kevin Kelton, Susan Estelle Janson, Steve.
Speaker 8: Hibbert came in the gimp.
Speaker 7: I remember you telling me this was after boy Me's World.
Speaker 7: I remember you you said basically the same thing you
Speaker 7: just said, and you put it so well and it's
Speaker 7: something that's it's like a lesson that's always stuck with me.
Speaker 3: You're like, look, right, are there are? There are really
Speaker 3: kind of three types of television writers.
Speaker 7: There are those who are good on the page, there
Speaker 7: are those who are good in the room, and there
Speaker 7: are those who are good at both. And you're like,
Speaker 7: and you kind of need them all, you know, like
Speaker 7: and you weren't saying that like one was better than
Speaker 7: the other. You were just like, there's different different, and
Speaker 7: that's really stuck with me. And I think that's super true.
Speaker 7: Do you where do you fall?
Speaker 8: Are you?
Speaker 3: Are you good at both?
Speaker 8: Or you know? I'm When I went into the writer's
Speaker 8: room the first year, I was kind of shy. I
Speaker 8: didn't really I'm not a stand up comedian. I hadn't
Speaker 8: been used to being in writers' rooms. But by the
Speaker 8: fourth year I was pretty good at speaking up and
Speaker 8: pitching stuff and adding jokes to people's things. You know,
Speaker 8: I pitched a bunch of stories that got made for
Speaker 8: the season that some of them I didn't even write.
Speaker 8: You know, I kind of got it for me. The
Speaker 8: fourth season, the age you guys were at, you know,
Speaker 8: we went from being a kid showed a sort of
Speaker 8: like an older adolescent show.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So it opened up a whole bunch of stories
Speaker 8: I was more comfortable with, and I got to do
Speaker 8: a couple of stories that I really wanted to do.
Speaker 8: For the four years, you know, I earned a little
Speaker 8: bit of cred with Michael, and so for instance, one
Speaker 8: of the shows that I wanted to do all four
Speaker 8: years was A Dangerous Secret of the Beauty and Michael
Speaker 8: said the first you know, I just got laughed out
Speaker 8: of the room. The first year they went, really, we're
Speaker 8: going to do an abuse show with a little kid.
Speaker 8: And then second year and so finally I was only
Speaker 8: contracted for three years and I was getting offers from
Speaker 8: other shows I kind of wanted to go to. I
Speaker 8: loved you guys that I wanted to stay. But there
Speaker 8: it was a little tents in the room. I'm not
Speaker 8: going to get into why, but it you know, there
Speaker 8: were some political things going on and stuff, and I
Speaker 8: was I was feeling it, and so I was kind
Speaker 8: of looking around and Kendall left, and I think Michael
Speaker 8: kind of freaked out because he was so important to
Speaker 8: the show, and so I was going to leave. I
Speaker 8: got an offer to go to do something else.
Speaker 4: We'd wait, I want to know what was the offer?
Speaker 8: What was the for you know what I'm saying McCarthy show.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, right.
Speaker 8: And so U and they were kind of coming to
Speaker 8: me and would you leave? Would you? And I'm forgetting Yeah,
Speaker 8: it kind of you know, they were going to offer
Speaker 8: me a promotion and raise and it's an adult last
Speaker 8: three episodes? So is it is better?
Speaker 7: So the industry is so crazy now, I mean, because
Speaker 7: you think about that position you're in and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I've got it, you know. I mean, it's a great
Speaker 7: position to be in in your career where you have
Speaker 7: already have this this this body of work and established show.
Speaker 3: But do you take the risk?
Speaker 7: You know, because if that had gone, that could have
Speaker 7: been the next Friends for you know, and then it
Speaker 7: could have been launched your career in this whole other way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But that's the other question is does it go more
Speaker 2: than three episodes?
Speaker 5: You never know running it it went three because he
Speaker 5: didn't go maybe it goes longer if Jeff we're there.
Speaker 2: So it's you're gambling every single time you take it.
Speaker 3: And it's so hard to predict because we've all read
Speaker 3: those scripts.
Speaker 7: That were like, well this is a slam dunk, or
Speaker 7: you see those casts that you're like, well, this cast.
Speaker 3: Can't lose, and then it does. It doesn't matter. It's
Speaker 3: just so hard to know.
Speaker 8: There's so many factors. It's where it's programmed in, you
Speaker 8: know what it's following. There's all these different things, so
Speaker 8: you know on for so, Michael said to me. He
Speaker 8: took me in his office. He said, I want you
Speaker 8: to come back, and I said, well, I'm getting these offers.
Speaker 8: He goes, I know, but how about I'll let you
Speaker 8: do that show you want to that episode, said so,
Speaker 8: and I said, and the other thing I want to
Speaker 8: do by the end of the year is I want
Speaker 8: to get Eric into college. And I just felt that
Speaker 8: was the feene Eric thing all the way. If you
Speaker 8: look at if you trace my episodes, it's the sat
Speaker 8: it's all the different things I really want. Eric was
Speaker 8: always really bright, and I felt that Corey knew that
Speaker 8: because if you see Eric kind of plays goofy around
Speaker 8: other people, and when he gets serious with Corey, he's
Speaker 8: really smart. He gives them, he almost gives them Feenie
Speaker 8: advice in his own way.
Speaker 3: Wow insight.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I knew Will, I knew all you guys,
Speaker 8: and I just went, he's so smart, and you know
Speaker 8: what I said. Anyway, So the dangerous secret when I'll
Speaker 8: go back to so Michael in the room was like,
Speaker 8: I remember, I was getting real opposition. That's gonna be horrible.
Speaker 8: It's gonna oh serious of special Jeff. You know, I
Speaker 8: got the damn I've got a deal with Michael. And
Speaker 8: he said I could do it this year. So I
Speaker 8: go in and I outlined it. I showed it to
Speaker 8: Michael and he says, okay, sure, He said, I'll tell
Speaker 8: you what, if you can make this funny and not
Speaker 8: too heavy for two thirds of it all support you wanted.
Speaker 8: If you can't, I'm not going to do the episode,
Speaker 8: it said, bit you, he said. I said, I'd let
Speaker 8: you write it, so I.
Speaker 3: Oh, wow, you had to. You had to prove it
Speaker 3: on the page.
Speaker 8: And it was hard because when I finally got down
Speaker 8: to it, I went, I got to make this thing
Speaker 8: work right, And I was really serious about it, and
Speaker 8: I talked to a couple of psychologists, a couple of
Speaker 8: police officers about what to put in this episode before
Speaker 8: I'd even pitched it. You know, amazing, So then everybody
Speaker 8: was sort of pointing me toward this place called the
Speaker 8: Child Help Hotline. Everybody I talked to you, they said,
Speaker 8: that's kind of the clearinghouse for all kids that are
Speaker 8: in trouble. It was a national hotline. Still is it's
Speaker 8: still there. Sadly, it's still an issue. And so I
Speaker 8: got in touch with a head of Child Help Hotline
Speaker 8: and we talked for a long time, and he put
Speaker 8: me in touch with victims. He put me in touch
Speaker 8: with people that worked with their group. I talked to
Speaker 8: so many people, and I kind of I made notes
Speaker 8: and found what the common things were. In fact, some
Speaker 8: of the poignant lines in Dangerous Secret, like when Claire
Speaker 8: says why did he have me? That was what devastated Yeah,
Speaker 8: it was real dialogue. The people said to me, most
Speaker 8: of it in that part, and I wanted to make
Speaker 8: it right. And the thing that kind of upset me
Speaker 8: was when the show went to Disney Channel. Writer, I
Speaker 8: don't know. I remember I was listening to an episode
Speaker 8: of A couple when you were talking about it, And remember
Speaker 8: that Michael and I called you up into the office
Speaker 8: and he was there. The reason we called you up
Speaker 8: was because I wanted to put a PSA at the
Speaker 8: end of the episode, which is I don't know if
Speaker 8: you guys have gone through that. It's a big ordeal
Speaker 8: because you have to get network, studio approval, you have
Speaker 8: to get you know, your group's approval, you have to
Speaker 8: get all these different things.
Speaker 5: So I got it, by the way, just for everybody
Speaker 5: listening who might not know, a PSA's a public service announcement.
Speaker 5: It's one of those things at the end where it's
Speaker 5: like drawing attention to whatever issue.
Speaker 8: You just right and shows the number for the hotline.
Speaker 8: At the time, there was no internet, so it's just
Speaker 8: a phone number. Now they're online, you can find it,
Speaker 8: and so it was really important me to get this right.
Speaker 8: And so when we got the PSA on, I got
Speaker 8: a phone call from the network. They said you can't
Speaker 8: put that on. I said, what are you talking about?
Speaker 8: They said, well, Child Help Hotline is backed by a
Speaker 8: corporation that is in conflict with one of our big
Speaker 8: sponsors and they don't want it on. I said, okay,
Speaker 8: their number, So I called and spoke to a This
Speaker 8: was like a major This was just me going, I'm
Speaker 8: constantly trying to get and I cut this kind of
Speaker 8: the phone, and I shamed him and I said, so
Speaker 8: you're gonna you know, this is one of the most
Speaker 8: watched kid shows, family shows in the country, in the
Speaker 8: world at the time, And I said, you know, this
Speaker 8: is a wonderful opportunity for people to find a resource
Speaker 8: to get help, and you're going to stop that. And
Speaker 8: the guy shamed if. He said, all right, go ahead.
Speaker 8: So I got it and we and we put it on.
Speaker 8: But when we went to Disney Channel, for some reason,
Speaker 8: they've cut the Child Health Hotline thing out. Probably there's oil,
Speaker 8: maybe it was time. I don't know. I know everybody goes,
Speaker 8: you know, go to the police. Even the police told
Speaker 8: me it's great if you come to the police in
Speaker 8: an emergency, but child Help Hotline is the real solution
Speaker 8: because they have to get you to the right people.
Speaker 1: Well, that ps A is on YouTube and it's in
Speaker 1: writer's voice, so if anybody's interested.
Speaker 7: Okay, So you called me into the office to check
Speaker 7: if I would be cool recording the voiceover.
Speaker 8: Wasn't it will do it, But it didn't make any
Speaker 8: sense because it was your story, you know. But or
Speaker 8: Ben you know, but but I thought that and you
Speaker 8: you said absolutely were yeah, Oh.
Speaker 5: Wow, it's so interesting that you say that you got
Speaker 5: a lot of your dialogue from survivors and things like that,
Speaker 5: because one of the things we talked about when we
Speaker 5: recapped the episode was all the little subtleties that were
Speaker 5: done that made it so real, like her saying if
Speaker 5: you say anything, I'm just gonna lie. Yeah, her blaming
Speaker 5: herself making it a powerful man instead of it was
Speaker 5: like only takes place in poor communities. It was all
Speaker 5: those little things that were done that made it that
Speaker 5: episode to where we as we're talking about it, we're like,
Speaker 5: it all worked because of those things.
Speaker 2: It just made it very real.
Speaker 5: And of course then the actress Arianna was just so
Speaker 5: good and really just crushed the park.
Speaker 2: It was just it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, was she chosen? Did she audition? Was she chose?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 4: How did how did you get to her?
Speaker 8: I was at the point where I could do that.
Speaker 8: I had seen Jurassic Park and I said it would
Speaker 8: be great to get that girl. It's in Jurassic Park.
Speaker 8: And we got her and yeah, yeah she was terrific.
Speaker 8: But you know it's for me. It was like I
Speaker 8: knew this was going to be my last year because
Speaker 8: I thought it was going to towards the end of
Speaker 8: the year. I think I told you last time in
Speaker 8: the last podcast. Michael came to in my office and
Speaker 8: he said, you know, sure, I'm going to be doing
Speaker 8: some other stuff, so I want you to run the
Speaker 8: show next year. So I started working on them, and
Speaker 8: then and Bluckman and Bustment I think had gone away,
Speaker 8: and then they came back and wanted to do it.
Speaker 8: Michael said, I have to give it to them because
Speaker 8: they are half stuff above you, and I left because
Speaker 8: that was that was kind of my political We were
Speaker 8: bumping up. We're all really good friends. Now at the time,
Speaker 8: you know, you're stuck in a room together type.
Speaker 7: I have to think about your own career too. You're
Speaker 7: all jocking for the future, you know, can't you can't
Speaker 7: just be thinking one episode out or one season out.
Speaker 7: You have to think, you know, I got to provide
Speaker 7: for my family and provide for my career.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and this serial with TV, you know, because you
Speaker 8: do take this big leap over this gap going. I
Speaker 8: hope that show keeps what you were saying before. You know,
Speaker 8: you don't know, but I knew that for me developmentally
Speaker 8: and every other way I saw that the show was
Speaker 8: going to start turning a little more serious. I just
Speaker 8: I really, my goals when I came men were I
Speaker 8: really wanted to get Will in college. I wanted to
Speaker 8: get Eric in college. I just thought that's such a thing.
Speaker 8: So that was the other I know this, you guys
Speaker 8: haven't done that episode yet, but when you get to it,
Speaker 8: you know, it was like we had a big debate
Speaker 8: in the writer's room because you know, Michael never finished college.
Speaker 8: A lot of the people in that room never went
Speaker 8: to college and never finished college. So they were going,
Speaker 8: do you really need.
Speaker 7: College to have a life, And oh, that's so interesting
Speaker 7: because we've talked about that. The college focus on boying
Speaker 7: me's world. So so you were the pro college.
Speaker 8: Guy absolutely, and I just you know, it's it's fine
Speaker 8: to you know, you don't necessarily have to go. But
Speaker 8: for everybody kind of perceived a kind of maybe he
Speaker 8: was dumb, but I always thought it was really smart.
Speaker 8: The one woman show, you know, we just did that.
Speaker 8: It was funny. You know, it was like he was
Speaker 8: he was doing he did things when the time came.
Speaker 8: He was really smart and made the right moves. And
Speaker 8: I thought, this kid is a role model for so
Speaker 8: many kids. And if we say he doesn't have to
Speaker 8: go to college, think how many kids would have gone
Speaker 8: I don't have to go to college. So I I
Speaker 8: just took Michael aside again and I said, Michael, this
Speaker 8: is he'd given me this last episode. I'd had four.
Speaker 8: I was contracted do four, and he came to gave
Speaker 8: me five, which was a I think Bluckman. The bus
Speaker 8: Gang as a team got four, and they were very
Speaker 8: upsets with me, Michael. So but that was my The
Speaker 8: other thing was they wanted me to be in that episode.
Speaker 8: I never did the only thing I ever did on
Speaker 8: Boy Meets Role. I don't know if you know this.
Speaker 8: There was one episode where Corey was giving you Topanga
Speaker 8: a little bear that said I love you very much,
Speaker 8: and then you guys have broken up, so he was
Speaker 8: thrown all the stuff away through the teddy bear and
Speaker 8: the trash capactor.
Speaker 3: I love you very.
Speaker 10: Jazz.
Speaker 2: It was your voice.
Speaker 8: Nice.
Speaker 4: Oh that's so funny.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is going to be a maybe this is
Speaker 1: a weird question because it's obviously child abuse is something
Speaker 1: we should all care about. But was there a reason
Speaker 1: that was so important to you? Did you have a
Speaker 1: personal attachment to that considering now that we found out
Speaker 1: you've been pitching it since season one, what was it
Speaker 1: about that storyline that really you wanted to do so badly?
Speaker 8: You know, I grew up in an affluent neighborhood where
Speaker 8: a lot of the kids were abused, you know, sexually, physically, emotionally,
Speaker 8: and her parents were very upstanding people. And didn't know.
Speaker 8: One of my best friends even killed himself because he'd
Speaker 8: been abused all his childhood. I knew that it was
Speaker 8: a and his mother's was a very famous, famous, famous actress.
Speaker 8: I may I've told someone you about. I don't talk
Speaker 8: about it publicly, very beloved, but she was horrible to him.
Speaker 8: So to me, that was something that always haunted me.
Speaker 8: And you know what I wanted to do even in
Speaker 8: that episode too, I thought, you know, it's a more
Speaker 8: adult season this season four. You guys were getting older,
Speaker 8: so I thought, you know, Corey. It also sprung that
Speaker 8: story with Corey and Tapango, which was Corey he's not
Speaker 8: keeping up with his friend and even though he knows,
Speaker 8: he doesn't know what to do, but he thinks he
Speaker 8: should be these things. So what really the story for
Speaker 8: me was Sean Ryder is an adult at the beginning
Speaker 8: taking care of somebody, but really he's just a kid,
Speaker 8: and you find that out at the end because he
Speaker 8: doesn't have the adult solutions.
Speaker 3: He doesn't sources.
Speaker 8: He's fixing it as a kid. And Corey, who seems
Speaker 8: like a kid emotionally because he doesn't know what to
Speaker 8: do with the Panga, rises up and becomes the adult,
Speaker 8: which he did in The Fugitive, which he did in
Speaker 8: a lot of my others. And that was I was
Speaker 8: trying to touch back to some of those things because
Speaker 8: I kind of knew I was getting to the end
Speaker 8: of my stay on the show, and there were a
Speaker 8: few things I wanted to tie up and make sure
Speaker 8: that they kind of were on their way. I wanted
Speaker 8: to start a college years and I named Pembroke, you know,
Speaker 8: all that kind of stuff. There were little things that
Speaker 8: stayed afterwards, but the h you know, I tried to
Speaker 8: do one every season. I did one on school vandalism,
Speaker 8: I did one on running away from Home the Fugitive,
Speaker 8: just issues that would have hit those kids. And the
Speaker 8: funny story with the Dangerous Secret was so when I
Speaker 8: finally finished the script, I turn it in and I'm
Speaker 8: sitting in we were KTLA. I'm in my corner office
Speaker 8: and Michael's all the way down the hall and Jerlyn
Speaker 8: comes and goes, Michael wants to talk to you. Great,
Speaker 8: you know. So I go down the hall.
Speaker 1: And think, talk about let's tell our listeners who Jerylyn is.
Speaker 1: We I don't think we've ever mentioned Jerylyn on the podcast.
Speaker 8: Carolyn. She's wonderful. Jerlyne was Michael's intrepid assistant.
Speaker 4: She did it, but I don't either.
Speaker 8: I don't even know her name. Softly, it's her name
Speaker 8: is Jarlyne.
Speaker 4: I know we can all picture, we can all hear it.
Speaker 8: So she comes down. She goes, sure, Mike wants you, okay.
Speaker 8: So I go down the hall and the only two
Speaker 8: people it's somber it's going to darken the room, and
Speaker 8: Bob Young singing sitting in a chair. I can't read them.
Speaker 8: And Michael's got the script on his desk and he'
Speaker 8: and he flips it over and he goes, I'm not
Speaker 8: changing a word. Oh my god, really, that's never I mean,
Speaker 8: Michael not to fly. This is we're going back all that.
Speaker 8: But he's on my butt and as we're going, Bob
Speaker 8: Young grabs my shoulder. Michael, you know, runs down the hall,
Speaker 8: Bob Young goes, grabs shoulder, goes, it's never gonna.
Speaker 3: How can change words? Page one, line one many shows?
Speaker 8: Trust me, she said, don't get your heart. I'll set
Speaker 8: the watch. Michael goes, everybody that script this is fantastic. Okay,
Speaker 8: paid him in.
Speaker 3: The back of my script, and he goes, I don't.
Speaker 4: Even even when it's a perfect script.
Speaker 8: But he ended up basically Michael had to rewrite it,
Speaker 8: even though he really he changed so little of it
Speaker 8: that on this one especially, it just was kind of
Speaker 8: what it was. But he wanted to make sure that
Speaker 8: nothing was good. And you know what, when I when
Speaker 8: I watched the shows, I watched all five from season
Speaker 8: four last night just to kind of refra haven't see
Speaker 8: him in a while, and uh, you know, I hear
Speaker 8: I remember bus Gang pitching stuff on my scripts. You know,
Speaker 8: when you see a script and something maybe people don't understand,
Speaker 8: your viewers or listeners don't know, is really when you're
Speaker 8: in the room, the main the first writer really does
Speaker 8: have a big impact on any script that comes in.
Speaker 8: But then the route really kind of plays with it
Speaker 8: and makes it think good and bad.
Speaker 3: You know, it was like a hive mind, right, yeah, yeah, yes, And.
Speaker 8: But you know, and you you do have some you know,
Speaker 8: I got some cloud toward the end to kind of
Speaker 8: keep things I liked. Michael would trust me with things.
Speaker 8: But you know, it was hard. You know, it's it's
Speaker 8: a it's a you have to kind of check your
Speaker 8: ego at the door and just go in. And most
Speaker 8: of the time it got so much better. I mean
Speaker 8: everybody Buttman and Yawny and Matty Nelson was so great
Speaker 8: with you know, characters and you know, uh it was
Speaker 8: it was terrific. And Michael just you know, he just
Speaker 8: had a magic to him. You know, he could hear
Speaker 8: it and know it was going to work in that
Speaker 8: episode most of the time.
Speaker 5: Just looking back, would you do it? Because it seemed
Speaker 5: like danger secret came exactly when it should have age
Speaker 5: wise in the script, so our age wives in the show.
Speaker 5: So looking back, if you had a chance to do
Speaker 5: it first or second season, would you still have done
Speaker 5: that or would you have saved it for when it
Speaker 5: when it showed up.
Speaker 8: I couldn't have done some of the stuff I.
Speaker 2: Did on it, you know, Yeah, that's what I figured.
Speaker 8: Censors were all over that episode. I mean we went
Speaker 8: in and the first that a little black eye and
Speaker 8: Michael and I went into makeup and I said, it's
Speaker 8: got it. It's gotta be shocking when she walks out
Speaker 8: of the shadows. Yeah, the sensor was there. I mean,
Speaker 8: they were really on top of this episode because the
Speaker 8: sex and the violence. You know. Yeah, so, but you know,
Speaker 8: you just have to talk to them and shame the
Speaker 8: kind of you know, that's part of being a producer
Speaker 8: is just getting going. If you're not honest with it,
Speaker 8: nobody's going to care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about shallow boy Yprum, I mean, other
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum, just showing your range. In season four,
Speaker 1: we watched it recently and recapped it and we had
Speaker 1: Lesha Haley on and we got to talk to her
Speaker 1: and I just it's truly just to recap for any
Speaker 1: of our listeners who don't remember. Eric starts dating a
Speaker 1: highly optimistic musician, but her constant perkiness starts to annoy him.
Speaker 1: After he dumps her, he finds himself the topic of
Speaker 1: a scathing hit song on the radio. Meanwhile, Topanga does
Speaker 1: not like Corey's habit of being pals with kids instead
Speaker 1: of parenting them. What do you remember about that episode
Speaker 1: and how do you remember coming to and then eventually
Speaker 1: hiring Lesha Haley.
Speaker 8: Well, the Lamis Morris had come out and found out,
Speaker 8: you know, you heard like, who's this guy that she's
Speaker 8: and it was the guy from like full House.
Speaker 10: Apparently Dahl laughed about that.
Speaker 8: But I thought, what if? And I said, what if
Speaker 8: we did that? Like Eric meets this girl that writes
Speaker 8: these little singing songy things and they're all kind of
Speaker 8: sweet and all this, and he pisses her off basically,
Speaker 8: and she becomes a Lanis Morisset because she's angry. Michael said,
Speaker 8: that's your first episode. So that's what And then I
Speaker 8: don't remember who somebody knew the band, but Blutman and
Speaker 8: I believe it's just Buttlan and I went to a
Speaker 8: little club and we went to see Lesha's band that
Speaker 8: it was just the two women, the Murmurs and the
Speaker 8: other you know, the other person in the band. The
Speaker 8: woman the other woman in the band was so drunk
Speaker 8: that night that she fell off the stage. Like, I'm like,
Speaker 8: but Lisha was so cool and all that, I said,
Speaker 8: she's she was just great And I said to her,
Speaker 8: look you know, have you ever acted? She is not really,
Speaker 8: but you know I've been wanting to, and so we
Speaker 8: brought her in. She tested, She was great, and I
Speaker 8: had written lyrics, you know, again in the room like
Speaker 8: Hibbert actually came up with the shallow boy title. Oh
Speaker 8: but he goes make it shallow boy. I just remember,
Speaker 8: you know, you remember these things wherever. So that's great.
Speaker 8: So but I'd written a bunch of like really horrible lyrics.
Speaker 8: It's like Barney would have rejected them. So I said,
Speaker 8: I was talking to Ray cole Court and she and Alicia,
Speaker 8: I believe, said maybe she probably told you, but I
Speaker 8: think she said, I'll just write some music for him,
Speaker 8: And I went, okay, we'll see what happened. And she
Speaker 8: came in. They were great, almost too good, you know,
Speaker 8: it's like and so she just sort of surprised us
Speaker 8: and blew us away.
Speaker 7: And then did you guys have a separate meeting where
Speaker 7: she came in and presented the songs or did she
Speaker 7: just come to the table read with them.
Speaker 8: I don't remember that.
Speaker 5: She would she doesn't either, That's the thing. We're master
Speaker 5: that and she she couldn't remember. She she thinks she
Speaker 5: went to somebody's either office or house, and we didn't
Speaker 5: know if it was maybe your house or Ray cole
Speaker 5: Court's house. She said there was two or three guys there,
Speaker 5: and then she went and yeah, recorded them separately for
Speaker 5: then the track for the episode. But she doesn't remember
Speaker 5: who was there, or she vaguely remembers you guys coming
Speaker 5: to the concert because we told her that her partner
Speaker 5: fell off the stage and of course she lost it.
Speaker 1: She's like, we used to do that a lot back.
Speaker 2: Any number of shows.
Speaker 1: Frankly, I was thinking maybe she'd know exactly which was.
Speaker 5: She was like, no, no, any number of performances.
Speaker 8: So I really enjoyed doing on Boy Meet's World because
Speaker 8: it was such a male heavy cast. I brought it
Speaker 8: like I did sister Teresa, I did, you know, uh,
Speaker 8: different ones with with women characters and then the one
Speaker 8: affair to forget with the termin matrix and you know,
Speaker 8: but I always loved to bring in these people because
Speaker 8: it was fun to you know, I liked when Danielle
Speaker 8: would play against them because you would get a sense
Speaker 8: of Danielle with women. You know, it's just another dimension, yea.
Speaker 8: And however he responded to that stuff. So but you know,
Speaker 8: the four season was fun for me because it was
Speaker 8: really a playground. I came back and I just I said,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna do what I want this year, you know,
Speaker 8: and Bob really helped me do that, and and Michael
Speaker 8: allowed me to, so it was well.
Speaker 1: Another thing we've noticed about season four is that we
Speaker 1: finally had some money. The budget seems to have really
Speaker 1: gone up.
Speaker 2: The set the show did.
Speaker 4: No we you probably didn't.
Speaker 1: Had a lot of money, but our department, set deck,
Speaker 1: I mean, the locations, just the yogurt cup alone, it
Speaker 1: was like, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, truly the budget was great. Do you remember that too?
Speaker 1: Do you remember there being like, oh, we've got some
Speaker 1: room to play here.
Speaker 8: Always is good to be a hit show because they
Speaker 8: start throwing money at you, and you know, I always felt,
Speaker 8: you know, most of my episodes, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 8: You know, I wouldn't go to a big swing set
Speaker 8: or a big thing. So I really I always really
Speaker 8: like to kind of keep it core and maybe once
Speaker 8: in a while I bring in somebody bringing the monkeys
Speaker 8: or something. Okay, it was sweeps. I want to explain
Speaker 8: that to you guys, because you always go, why did
Speaker 8: you bring in the Monkeys. So what you do you remember.
Speaker 4: Scott about sweep Sweet? How have we not talked about
Speaker 4: sweep Sweet?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: We have because we never know exactly which Also, I
Speaker 7: don't know did we really understand sweet week or I mean,
Speaker 7: I don't.
Speaker 3: All I know is that it's a thing that we
Speaker 3: were all stressed.
Speaker 1: About, you getting your ratings high, and you want to
Speaker 1: have the highest ratings possible to get.
Speaker 5: Your response why advertisement money?
Speaker 3: Hold on? Who agreed what sweet?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 3: When Sweeps week?
Speaker 7: Like, when did that get Was it just like a
Speaker 7: cultural like or did the network say we're going to
Speaker 7: pick this one weeps?
Speaker 3: Mister Sweeps came down with a cigar and said here
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 7: But really, like somebody arbitrarily picked a week and told
Speaker 7: all the shows, this is the week that we're going
Speaker 7: to use for as the barometer for every advertiser coming
Speaker 7: forward yep.
Speaker 8: And then there was another one towards the end of
Speaker 8: the season, Yeah, we're going to get renewed. So there
Speaker 8: were all these things going on. So what we we
Speaker 8: would do We would sort of stunt cast on those
Speaker 8: weeks sometimes, or we do something really like a big
Speaker 8: episode or something to watch. So like the Monkeys everybody
Speaker 8: left to me on that one, and and it was like,
Speaker 8: I said, guys, you don't I've known Mickey forever and
Speaker 8: you don't understand what kind of an audience they had
Speaker 8: and every reason. But I don't know if you guys
Speaker 8: remember that when we had the monkeys on, we had
Speaker 8: to turn people away at the door. People there were
Speaker 8: so many celebrities that came down because the monkeys hadn't
Speaker 8: been together in a room and ten Yeah, in this
Speaker 8: big and it's silly on the show kind of you
Speaker 8: know and like, but it also was a crossover because
Speaker 8: you get the parents watching.
Speaker 3: It was event television. It was an event.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: I literally felt like a kid again just talking just here,
Speaker 1: just being reminded.
Speaker 7: Of sweet little shot of adrenaline throughout your whole body.
Speaker 3: Oh, we got we gotta do good this week.
Speaker 2: We gotta put it on.
Speaker 4: I wonder who's going to be there. I wonder who's
Speaker 4: going to be a part with the episode.
Speaker 1: Going to be the Do you remember at the end
Speaker 1: of the year, the stress of the second Sweeps week
Speaker 1: being about here's the week they decide whether or not
Speaker 1: we're good enough for another season.
Speaker 5: Are we getting a call from the from the governor
Speaker 5: a were going to get a reprieve?
Speaker 2: Or is this it is exactly right, we're going Oh.
Speaker 5: Man, I have a question for you, Jeff, because there
Speaker 5: seemed there seemed to be in season four a concerted
Speaker 5: effort or at least a discussion that happened somewhere to
Speaker 5: take the show out of the Matthews living room and
Speaker 5: put it into the Hunter's trailer or Vader's trailer. I mean,
Speaker 5: it seemed like they were showing more of those family
Speaker 5: dynamics than the Matthews family dominat Do you remember this
Speaker 5: actually being discussed on any level or did this just
Speaker 5: something that happened organically.
Speaker 8: Well, I always felt bad for Rusty and Betsy because
Speaker 8: they were so damn good. But you know, it became
Speaker 8: it became as a began as a family show. So
Speaker 8: it was. But you guys were getting older and really
Speaker 8: becoming the stars of the show. And every year they
Speaker 8: would come and see the new the lay out of
Speaker 8: the set, and every year the kitchen would get small,
Speaker 8: living room would get smaller, get pushed aside, right, other
Speaker 8: things would come. You know, the stories just kind of
Speaker 8: generated different things. You guys were going out in the
Speaker 8: world a little bit more. You know, we wanted to
Speaker 8: that Wilderness Store, which I never totally got, but I
Speaker 8: think Michael got into like like, you know, wilderness stuff,
Speaker 8: and he goes next year buying a Wilderness store. I
Speaker 8: know nothing about it.
Speaker 7: That's so funny because Will and I were just talking
Speaker 7: last night. We were like, you know, the whe when
Speaker 7: the Wilderness Store was introduced, it seemed like such a
Speaker 7: big deal, but actually not much has happened there. No, Like,
Speaker 7: it was so cool when it started. We all had
Speaker 7: we had these memories of it, but then we're like, actually,
Speaker 7: I think there's been like four scenes in the entire
Speaker 7: scenes never.
Speaker 5: Used this gigantic, expensive set we've used like three times.
Speaker 8: I never understood it myself, but it was I thought,
Speaker 8: you know, it would give rise to to Eric and
Speaker 8: Alan's stories because they hadn't had a lot of them,
Speaker 8: so yeah, looking together. But we didn't really go to
Speaker 8: that a lot, right, So but you know, it was,
Speaker 8: uh anyway, that that's okay.
Speaker 1: I wanted to I have a few little housekeeping things
Speaker 1: regarding some credits that I want to talk about.
Speaker 4: Can you explain the credit situation.
Speaker 1: For why Affair to Forget has as like a teleplay credit.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that I got teleplay well in the Room. That
Speaker 8: was one of the stories that I had pitched. It
Speaker 8: actually happened to me. I played poker with these guys
Speaker 8: and one of the guys was getting a divorce and
Speaker 8: we all hated his wife. We just couldn't we couldn't
Speaker 8: get couldn't stand her. So he came one night and
Speaker 8: he was like kind of he was drinking a little
Speaker 8: and he said, yeah, we're breaking up, and we all
Speaker 8: went like, I tell you, but boy, she was miss
Speaker 8: you did yeah, next poker game, he comes back and
Speaker 8: he seems happy and we go so everything goes, yeah,
Speaker 8: we're back together, and he told her she just and
Speaker 8: we were all like, you know, it was it was
Speaker 8: and ended up not being together, but it was awkward
Speaker 8: for well. So anyway, so I pitched that in the
Speaker 8: Room and there was a new writer that season, iven O'Hare,
Speaker 8: who I only vaguely remember. She wasn't there that long.
Speaker 8: So I pitched a bunch of stuff and two of
Speaker 8: my stories I think it was ready to be I
Speaker 8: don't know when it was in the season, but I
Speaker 8: pitched a couple and Michael said, I'm giving that story
Speaker 8: to Eileen because she had pitched some stuff they didn't buy. Said,
Speaker 8: all right, you know that's how it worked in the room,
Speaker 8: you give it. So I said, fine, that's great, and
Speaker 8: she went and wrote a draft I think, and then
Speaker 8: disappeared and he didn't come back, and it was she
Speaker 8: wrote it. She wrote an outline that Michael didn't like,
Speaker 8: and then we helped her with it. And then she
Speaker 8: went back and I think wrote a draft, or maybe
Speaker 8: she just did the I don't remember, but she did.
Speaker 8: I think she just couldn't handle it or it was
Speaker 8: too much pressure. I don't know what happened to her.
Speaker 8: She very nice, I just don't remember what. It was
Speaker 8: a little bit like you guys had with like minks,
Speaker 8: like people would just disappear and you'd never know what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So anyway, so Michael said, sure and take it back
Speaker 8: and you just write it was your episode anyway. So
Speaker 8: I wrote it. So we went through the arbitration and
Speaker 8: I didn't really fight it a whole lot because I
Speaker 8: didn't know what her situation was, and she had written
Speaker 8: the outline first, you know. Great. Yeah, so I got
Speaker 8: the teleplay, so I wrote the script and it was
Speaker 8: actually my story to start with.
Speaker 5: So it seems like other than Susan Jansen, women didn't
Speaker 5: seem to last very long in the writer's room.
Speaker 8: Well, you know that's true with most writer rooms at
Speaker 8: the time. You know, it was a different one. And
Speaker 8: if you looked at most writer rooms, they were mostly
Speaker 8: male heavy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think still the percentage of male
Speaker 1: comedy writers even now, there's a lot more working male
Speaker 1: writers than there are women writers. And if you think
Speaker 1: about being a new writer very similarly to being a
Speaker 1: guest star, and you think about being a new writer
Speaker 1: coming into an established writing room where everyone knows each other,
Speaker 1: everyone knows Michael, everyone one knows the quirks and the politics,
Speaker 1: and you're one of maybe the only woman. I don't
Speaker 1: no matter what you're in, I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: how warm it's ever gonna feel walking into those situations.
Speaker 8: You know, the best person who ever walked in that
Speaker 8: room of all, Susan was great. I mean, Susan really
Speaker 8: had it down and she did her stuff. But Judy
Speaker 8: Toll Judy was amazing. Yes I missed so great because
Speaker 8: she Bludman will kill me for this, But Bluckman used
Speaker 8: to be so annoyed by her because she would come
Speaker 8: in with shopping bags and she'd start showing the stuff
Speaker 8: that she'd bought.
Speaker 4: And she was doing halls. She was doing shopping halls
Speaker 4: before they were a thing.
Speaker 8: I did to piss mark off she and like, I
Speaker 8: was just so enjoying watching her do that stuff. So
Speaker 8: at the time, it was just kind of fun to
Speaker 8: play with people. But she just didn't care, and she
Speaker 8: was just so funny, and so she.
Speaker 2: Was funny as hell. Judy Toll, what is a hall?
Speaker 6: A hall?
Speaker 1: You do them online where influencers or want to be
Speaker 1: influencers come in with their shopping halls. They've just gone,
Speaker 1: they've gone shopping, they haven't now a bunch of things
Speaker 1: and then they unbag them for you and they show
Speaker 1: you the things that they got. So like you could
Speaker 1: just pick one store. I'm going to do a Target hall,
Speaker 1: and here's all the stuff I bought a Target and
Speaker 1: then you try it on, like look, hocket, this little
Speaker 1: sweater is all Target.
Speaker 4: And you just show people the things you bought.
Speaker 1: So she was literally doing it specifically to annoy Bluffman,
Speaker 1: and now she's my hero.
Speaker 5: It would have worked on me because that sounds like, hell,
Speaker 5: that's Will's hell.
Speaker 2: I'm not to sit there and watch people try it.
Speaker 2: All the clothes they bought somewhere.
Speaker 8: And the funny thing was season four, you know, Blubmen
Speaker 8: and bus Gang were having little issues too, so Busgang
Speaker 8: was cracking up too because it just really pissed Mark
Speaker 8: off because he just wanted to get going. So it
Speaker 8: was really fun.
Speaker 1: Another script I want to ask you about and the
Speaker 1: shooting experience and all that is singled Out. Yes, oh
Speaker 1: that singled Out was written by Steve Hibbert and again
Speaker 1: it's Eric Lands a spot on MTV's dating show singled Out.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Corey has his tonsils taken out.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about that episode and shooting that
Speaker 1: and all that, well, you.
Speaker 8: Know, singled out, not that you know Jenny McCarthy and
Speaker 8: that was the kind of the They were talking about
Speaker 8: a show and I was, you know, talking to me
Speaker 8: and stuff anyway, but they we went down there and
Speaker 8: Jenny wouldn't be on the show. Why Chris Hardwick his name, Yeah,
Speaker 8: Chris wanted to do it, and I actually I pitched Chris.
Speaker 8: I said, you should be on television, man, you should
Speaker 8: be like doing like a sitcom. You have that kind
Speaker 8: of vibe to him. Yeah, but so I think that
Speaker 8: was one of Ben's final weeks. And so Ben thought
Speaker 8: certain episodes Ben had finals, and they were very serious
Speaker 8: about him, and he's very serious about his school, as
Speaker 8: you know, and so we would give him a lighter
Speaker 8: episode that he could shoot just kind of on you know,
Speaker 8: on his own time. And then we went down to
Speaker 8: the singled out location.
Speaker 3: You don't remember this at all, Oh boy, I.
Speaker 8: Remember it was whid I kind of kind of it was.
Speaker 8: It was pretty wild. I mean, Jenny was there. I
Speaker 8: remember she touched my knee. I was like, very excited
Speaker 8: about that.
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't she do Boy Meets World?
Speaker 8: I don't know. I think she.
Speaker 2: Used it, she believe it.
Speaker 8: It was it was probably too young for her. She
Speaker 8: was trying to get her own sitcom. She was trying
Speaker 8: to branch out right. So it was like but but
Speaker 8: Chris was all into it. Chris loved it so and
Speaker 8: he was fun. I don't remember much more about it
Speaker 8: than that. Honestly, I was there.
Speaker 4: You know, Jenny McCarthy touched your knee.
Speaker 1: You were definitely there, and that's where these touched my knee.
Speaker 8: That's about.
Speaker 7: There was Jenny McCarthy there when you guys were actually
Speaker 7: filming the scenes and she was.
Speaker 8: Shooting their show and we went in. They had didn't
Speaker 8: they have an audience? I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we used no hear the audience.
Speaker 1: There was no audience. They're they're background actors like they
Speaker 1: were cast.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it was kind of there while they were shooting,
Speaker 8: so we kind of came in for a little while
Speaker 8: while I think is what happened?
Speaker 3: Wow, that sounds wresting.
Speaker 8: It was fun too. That was just a madhouse. But
Speaker 8: you know, the magic of season four. I have to
Speaker 8: say one thing is Jeff McCracken. Oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 8: I could throw anything out. If you look at my
Speaker 8: five episodes, it kind of filled the spectrum of the
Speaker 8: type of Boymise World shows who did all through the
Speaker 8: show throw anything at Jeff McCracken. And if it was
Speaker 8: the broad calm, it was an affair to forget and
Speaker 8: you know, the bromance stuff, or if it was you know,
Speaker 8: dangerous secret with the sensitive stuff and the dramatic scenes.
Speaker 8: That guy is such a great direct I mean wonderful.
Speaker 8: I love his stuff. But man, that guy, I hope
Speaker 8: he still directs. I don't even know, but you know,
Speaker 8: he and I were the two that went over to
Speaker 8: do you wish from the show, and and Susan came
Speaker 8: to actually and we all regretted that, but uh, that's.
Speaker 1: But no, Jeff was definitely one of the people who
Speaker 1: made that secret sauce for season four.
Speaker 5: We were so comfortable with him and he made everything
Speaker 5: so easy that whatever material came down, we knew we
Speaker 5: were okay.
Speaker 2: It's like you got him there. So it was Yeah,
Speaker 2: it made a huge difference. You could tell, just as actors.
Speaker 5: And it was writer who really pointed out, especially for
Speaker 5: me at the beginning, where it was the whole first season,
Speaker 5: I just wasn't comfortable as an actor, and I was
Speaker 5: starting to feel a little more second season, and then
Speaker 5: there'd be a third or even a second or third
Speaker 5: season episode that all of a sudden, I'd be uncomfortable again.
Speaker 2: And writer was like, well, look who directed it, and
Speaker 2: it just wasn't Jeff mccracket. So you could tell. I mean,
Speaker 2: it really makes a huge difference.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, he really got it and just good all around,
Speaker 8: good with your You know, you felt a writer handing
Speaker 8: the script to Jeff mcca you felt you were in
Speaker 8: good hands, so yeah, yeah, always, and the runthroughs were
Speaker 8: good from the beginning, so you know everything.
Speaker 1: Something else that's coming up for us in season four
Speaker 1: that we haven't gotten to yet is that mister Turner
Speaker 1: is leaving. Do you have any insight for us about
Speaker 1: why Tony was going to be gone?
Speaker 8: You know what I think happened, guys, is as the
Speaker 8: show went, it really evolved, you know, and the audience
Speaker 8: evolved with you. If you think about it, the kids
Speaker 8: that were watching were the same age as you at
Speaker 8: the time when it first came. We were a little
Speaker 8: older maybe or a little younger watching to see what
Speaker 8: was going to happen to them. But everything evolved, and
Speaker 8: so what happens is you start getting out of maybe
Speaker 8: a classroom, and you start getting out of you know,
Speaker 8: those kind of stories. And really, you know, I do
Speaker 8: think there was a push because Friends was so big
Speaker 8: and you guys were becoming like young friends that if
Speaker 8: you look at the new song they put the next
Speaker 8: year that was supposed that was Friends. I mean everything
Speaker 8: about that I was gone at that point, but but
Speaker 8: you know, they were trying to do that. So having
Speaker 8: a teacher there made you, guys, look, you know, mister
Speaker 8: was he was in the in the mix because he
Speaker 8: was the neighbor and he could be there, and that
Speaker 8: Tony was kind of there for you being in the classroom,
Speaker 8: and then why would you you know?
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, and I mean I guess we should
Speaker 1: have probably thought about that too, in the sense that
Speaker 1: we've mentioned and well even mentioned in this podcast. He
Speaker 1: asked you, it was very obvious we were getting out
Speaker 1: of our normal sets. They were clearly world building. Boy
Speaker 1: Meet's world was like, we need to see them meet
Speaker 1: more world. We've seen the Matthew's house, We've seen the school.
Speaker 1: Let's see other people's houses. Let's see.
Speaker 4: So you're right that it.
Speaker 1: Does only make sense that as the kids, as we
Speaker 1: were all aging up, you had more opportunities to put
Speaker 1: us in situations where it wasn't the same old sets
Speaker 1: where we felt like kids.
Speaker 4: And I don't think I thought about that until you
Speaker 4: just said it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it just it was aging up, and you know,
Speaker 8: and you guys, you guys were also every time you
Speaker 8: come back from hiatus, you were like ten years older,
Speaker 8: it seemed, you know.
Speaker 1: So I know, so it was good to us, it.
Speaker 2: Was just smoking For me, it was just aging me. Exponentially.
Speaker 1: Will was actually aging every five years, it was, but.
Speaker 8: It was, you know, it was I felt that the
Speaker 8: season was the best of the four that I was on,
Speaker 8: not just because I'd written a lot of them, but
Speaker 8: I just felt there was a vibe in that room
Speaker 8: that just really a lot of it was Bob yond,
Speaker 8: a lot of it was that there's just a certain
Speaker 8: chemistry to each room, every year different and and I
Speaker 8: just felt like, I don't care what anybody else thinks.
Speaker 8: I'm just gonna write the ones I want now. So
Speaker 8: that was those were the five that year.
Speaker 5: Really, Now, do you a terrible question, because time is
Speaker 5: what time is, But looking back, would you have stayed?
Speaker 8: I don't think I could have because there was a
Speaker 8: dynamic there in the room that I just couldn't I
Speaker 8: couldn't handle anymore. And I knew it it was going
Speaker 8: to be me or it was going to be blood
Speaker 8: in the bus game and and and again, we're all
Speaker 8: really good friends, it was, and it was just at
Speaker 8: that point, you know, there were a lot of things.
Speaker 8: They were having issues with each other and it would
Speaker 8: come out on me sometimes and it's just not when
Speaker 8: it's not fun anymore. I mean, I'm surprised with me
Speaker 8: when I went through the first season with all the
Speaker 8: all the constantly having a guillotine over my neck, that
Speaker 8: I was able to be as funny as I was.
Speaker 8: But this season I felt like I had I kind
Speaker 8: of had my I was.
Speaker 4: I was I hadn't you edgainst the wall?
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I was just I was fine, you know,
Speaker 8: I didn't. I didn't worry about it. And and then
Speaker 8: I really, you know, I was upset because I had
Speaker 8: started working with some of the writers on you know
Speaker 8: what we were going to do the next year, and
Speaker 8: then and then blubbing the bus game came back and
Speaker 8: I went, I got get out. It won't be good
Speaker 8: if they're on top of me. Don't I have to
Speaker 8: prove my stories to them? I don't. I didn't think
Speaker 8: I could do the time. So we were even friendly
Speaker 8: in the room, but I just felt dynamically it just
Speaker 8: wasn't sure. We're all the sort of the same place,
Speaker 8: so we had to It was them.
Speaker 5: But you said a lot of the stuff that you
Speaker 5: pitched for that then made it into seasons five, six
Speaker 5: and seven, right, I mean stuff that you would help
Speaker 5: to lay the groundwork for.
Speaker 8: You know, I thought of Penbrook.
Speaker 4: You know, oh that was the name.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just in the college I had. I was
Speaker 8: actually the one. I was friendly with Bonnie and Bill,
Speaker 8: Bill Daniels and Bonnie Bartlett because I'd gone up to
Speaker 8: their house like Will did and and uh so I
Speaker 8: had hung with them and we talked about getting Eric
Speaker 8: into college, and I wanted to have a scene with
Speaker 8: the dean, and I said, wouldn't it be great if
Speaker 8: Bonnie played the dean and that they Yeah, so we
Speaker 8: had that line where Bill comes up at the end
Speaker 8: and he goes, you know that Dean Bolander. You know
Speaker 8: she's been after me for you know. It was a
Speaker 8: little fun kind of joke. But I went to her
Speaker 8: and said, would you consider doing that? Just I don't know,
Speaker 8: I'd have to ask Bill if he wants me on
Speaker 8: the show. And then Bill they she came on and
Speaker 8: did it. Michael so cool, But it just it just
Speaker 8: seemed kind of like a fun thing to do. But
Speaker 8: I kind of I felt like, you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 8: mister Feenie's last line on that last episode. I watched
Speaker 8: the last today, I cried, we.
Speaker 1: Haven't seen it, don't spoiler alert, don't tell us we
Speaker 1: will We'll we'll we'll see it soon. I want to
Speaker 1: give you an opportunity to tell us all about one
Speaker 1: of your newest ventures. You are joining us in the
Speaker 1: podcast space. Why don't you talk to us about your podcast.
Speaker 8: It's the seventh sign of the apocalypse, because I'm I
Speaker 8: said that that was the be the first sign. But yeah,
Speaker 8: I you know, listening to your podcast, you know, I
Speaker 8: really I listened to yours. I listened to Phil Rosenthal's
Speaker 8: and David Wilds. I listened to a few, but I
Speaker 8: love yours. And what I've really loved is you know,
Speaker 8: the the Harley Hero do my Harley shirt again?
Speaker 2: Yes, the Harley Reveal.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 8: But I loved when you guys started talking really deeply
Speaker 8: with people, you know, not just the recaps, which are
Speaker 8: nice and it's interesting for me and I love sometimes
Speaker 8: it's a little painful, but I loved when you guys
Speaker 8: would get with like with Danny and Ethan and you know,
Speaker 8: Blake and both Blake's and and I started thinking, like,
Speaker 8: you know, I know a lot of people. I've been
Speaker 8: in the business for since I got out of UCLA
Speaker 8: Film School, so I've known a lot of people. I've
Speaker 8: worked with a lot of people and I know them
Speaker 8: on person, you guys, and so I thought that's interesting.
Speaker 8: But I don't know, I don't I don't think I
Speaker 8: really want to be on air. I was. I was
Speaker 8: this squishy bear in the trash compactor. That's me in
Speaker 8: an area, So I went. I was a judge at
Speaker 8: the Poppy Jasper Film Festival up north, it's near Silicon
Speaker 8: Valley last year, and I was on a panel with
Speaker 8: this amazing woman that came from Lucasfilm in Paramount. She
Speaker 8: was head of international marketing for George Lucas and I
Speaker 8: had to follow her on a panel and go, oh my,
Speaker 8: she's so brilliant.
Speaker 3: Well let's talk about the Monkeys Star Wars. Sure, but
Speaker 3: monkeys so hey.
Speaker 8: So so her name is Norma Garcia. And Norman and
Speaker 8: I started talking and we just we both were like
Speaker 8: kind of kindred spirits about film and we're both we
Speaker 8: both mentored a lot, and we're philanthropic. I've been doing
Speaker 8: a lot of philanthropic work with two of the officers
Speaker 8: that testified before Congress that defended the Capitol on January sixth.
Speaker 8: So I've been doing a lot of that stuff all
Speaker 8: my life. I do a lot of stuff and she
Speaker 8: does too. She's a mentor through a program and and
Speaker 8: so she was working at a company and she did
Speaker 8: some business in Barcelona. And there's this guy who runs
Speaker 8: the biggest cinema room they call it the movie room.
Speaker 2: You know, home theater system theater systems.
Speaker 8: He builds them all through Europe for like billionaires and
Speaker 8: things like that, and his name is rich Red and
Speaker 8: they and he comes from the technical side and all
Speaker 8: that stuff. But he said to her, I want to
Speaker 8: do a podcast. She said, I'll do it if this
Speaker 8: other guy, I'll do it with us. And she called
Speaker 8: me so I didn't want to do it, and she said, look,
Speaker 8: we all want to do it, and it'll have a
Speaker 8: filanthropic aspect to it, a mentoring thing. It's a chance
Speaker 8: for you to mentor on a broad scale. And I went,
Speaker 8: that's great. So what we've done is we kind of
Speaker 8: taken your model in a way with board, but in
Speaker 8: talking to people, and it's more. It goes deeper than
Speaker 8: just your as you know, you guys have all been
Speaker 8: on now and we've had we've done twenty two of
Speaker 8: them so far.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 8: Great, there ready, Mickey Dolans, Nancy Allen, Terry Nunn. I
Speaker 8: worked on a movie called Up the Creek years ago.
Speaker 8: It was a big college movie when everybody was drunk
Speaker 8: at a college watching animal House. They put my movie
Speaker 8: on afterwards, so became kind of a weird poke classic
Speaker 8: that nobody really remembers because they were really drunk at
Speaker 8: the time. I reassembled a lot of the living cast
Speaker 8: and we did a forty year reunion and we interviewed
Speaker 8: three of the officers that testified before Congress, the one
Speaker 8: the January sixth committee. So but our way in is
Speaker 8: talking through you guys know you're on. But we talked
Speaker 8: about film and different things, but then you get into
Speaker 8: your passions and how you give back. What we do
Speaker 8: at the end of our podcast is we ask, and
Speaker 8: you guys all know this, We ask if there's a person,
Speaker 8: cause or charity that you you know, support and you'd
Speaker 8: like to talk about. You all beautifully did it. And
Speaker 8: then what we do is we put it up on
Speaker 8: our website so people can go, oh, here's Wilford ELL's charity,
Speaker 8: here's writers or Danielle's and they can find out about
Speaker 8: it or participate or donate.
Speaker 3: And then Disney Plus cuts it out.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you to find the PSN.
Speaker 8: So we're doing a lot of stuff, you know. The
Speaker 8: the idea is I always wanted to My dream always
Speaker 8: to be was to be Walt Disney. That was, you know,
Speaker 8: because I'd met him when I was a little kid.
Speaker 8: But I never really wanted to be that corporate and big.
Speaker 8: But this is sort of my way because these are
Speaker 8: the projects that are uplifting. Spiraling upward is my kind
Speaker 8: of my mantra. And so it's things that will lift
Speaker 8: you and teach you and bring people together. So that's
Speaker 8: that company. And then I have another company which is
Speaker 8: called Sherman Brothers and Sons. And I started that with
Speaker 8: my cousin Greg, who we did that documentary for Disney
Speaker 8: called The Boys. The Sherman Brothers Story heres. It's fifteen
Speaker 8: years now and you guys came to that to the premiere,
Speaker 8: but I have pictures. But with Sherman Brothers and Sons,
Speaker 8: basically what we're doing is Greg and I teamed up
Speaker 8: with Mitchell Leeb, who used to be the head of
Speaker 8: Disney Music. He was there for thirty years and he
Speaker 8: retired and we got together and talked and he said,
Speaker 8: you know, your dad and uncle wrote a thousand published songs,
Speaker 8: they did fifteen plus movies. All that stuff's gathering dust.
Speaker 8: Let's do something with it. So we're doing a bunch
Speaker 8: of stuff, and of course it's really exciting. I can't
Speaker 8: obviously talk about any of it right now.
Speaker 4: This is great to bring up.
Speaker 8: Then we have several talk we're in talks with Disney
Speaker 8: about several real you'll hear about them. They're really cool,
Speaker 8: but I'm not allowed to talk about.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, then don't talk about it.
Speaker 2: We've got awesome stuff that we can't talk.
Speaker 4: About, so many awesome things.
Speaker 2: I can't even tell you how awesome I am. Literally
Speaker 2: I can't tell you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean, but you're going to
Speaker 4: know about it eventually.
Speaker 8: Well, I love all you guys. Great.
Speaker 1: Jeff, we love you so much, and you have been
Speaker 1: when we talk about what what was the ingredients that
Speaker 1: go into the secret sauce? That A season four? Your
Speaker 1: scripts and you are definitely one of them. And we
Speaker 1: thank you as always for spending your time with us today,
Speaker 1: answering our questions, phil giving us some so insightful. Really
Speaker 1: great to have you so we we appreciate you so much.
Speaker 1: We love you. You're welcome back. Anytime, and thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us.
Speaker 8: Thank you. Bring have several of the writers come on
Speaker 8: at once. That'd be funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, God, imagine imagine a zoom with nine of us.
Speaker 3: We already talk over each other too much. I can't imagine, Like.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be the only woman on that zoom.
Speaker 3: You just start doing a hall you just you just
Speaker 3: come in. Have you seen this that?
Speaker 4: I just look at this. It's skincare. Thanks je.
Speaker 6: By.
Speaker 1: Always so fun to talk to him. I love his insights.
Speaker 1: I can't believe we never really thought about the idea
Speaker 1: that for Turner leaving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes total sense now you know it does.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 7: What's funny is that I remembered, and we talked about this.
Speaker 7: I remembered he was brought on to add a friends
Speaker 7: like component. But then as we aged up, yeah, we
Speaker 7: became because and it is true, like what we're doing
Speaker 7: all these dating episodes for instance, So how is Turner
Speaker 7: going to be involved in like our dating life without
Speaker 7: it being creepy or weird or like cross seeing the
Speaker 7: signals between teaching and it's like right, in a weird way,
Speaker 7: we got too close to the.
Speaker 3: Twenty somethings exactly, you know, which he was. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So when you think about it too, though, it makes
Speaker 5: perfect sense with the natural progression of how you grow
Speaker 5: as a person because it is all about school and
Speaker 5: everything that happens in your school life when you're a
Speaker 5: middle twelve, and when it starts to get older, it's
Speaker 5: more about what happens outside of school.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So in that sense, they really were keeping it kind
Speaker 5: of real, and it is true every time we essentially
Speaker 5: are cutting to the classroom, which is rare, we're seeing Tony,
Speaker 5: we're just not cutting to the classroom anymore.
Speaker 3: And it's also like it's it's there for a very
Speaker 3: cool component of like introducing a literary device or a
Speaker 3: reference point, but to see a whole scene play out
Speaker 3: like at the school, it's difficult, you know, and even
Speaker 3: think about janitor Dad. It's like bringing in a family
Speaker 3: dynamic to the school to sort of show how crazy
Speaker 3: you know it's really. Yeah, it's like the center narratively,
Speaker 3: the center of the show is changing, right. The center show.
Speaker 7: Was the living room in the classroom, and now it
Speaker 7: has to move around a little bit.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 5: It used to be almost like what happened in the
Speaker 5: family set up what they were going to learn in school,
Speaker 5: and then it became what happened in school is setting
Speaker 5: up what's going to happen in their life.
Speaker 2: Wow, well so that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 5: How but yeah, until your I said, felt the same way, Danielle,
Speaker 5: until he said it like that, it's like, well, of course,
Speaker 5: I don't know why none of us one.
Speaker 4: Of us thought of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really really great. And also sweeps.
Speaker 3: How sweep.
Speaker 7: Because it's such a weird thing and it's outdated now
Speaker 7: you would never Yeah, but man, do.
Speaker 4: We have podcast sweeps Week?
Speaker 2: Is there such a thing?
Speaker 6: I don't know what's like?
Speaker 1: One, let's do this, guys, let's listen if we can
Speaker 1: just arbitrarily decide we just a show.
Speaker 3: With party hats and noisemakers and the.
Speaker 1: Week challenge all of the other podcasts do better everything
Speaker 1: your best week? Who can get the most downloads, who
Speaker 1: can get the biggest guests?
Speaker 2: Wow, it's a great idea. It should start in the
Speaker 2: eleventh well, of course, because.
Speaker 5: We are we can use the eleventh to start Sweeps special.
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