WEBVTT - Jeff Sherman Meets World (again) 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.360 Some Boy Meets World in Pop Culture News. We got 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.040 a lot of emails about all three of these things. 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:29.200 And first up is a new movie out called Boy 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:34.120 Kills worlds Well sent it in our group chat. We 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.080 also got a lot of emails about it. There were 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.639 a lot of comments on social media. It comes out 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.879 in April, but the trailer was released last month and 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:46.120 it stars Bill Scarsgard, Jessica Roth or maybe Roth and 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.760 Brett Gelman. It may have similarities to the name of 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.800 our show, but that's about where it ends. The movie 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:56.360 is about a deaf man named Boy who escapes to 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.200 the jungle after his family is killed. He's then trained 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:04.440 by a mysterious mentor to enact vengeance on the murderers. 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:05.920 Oh god's my dream movie. 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.400 It's like kill Bill, right, it's a very kill Bill 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.160 John Wickish. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.360 Right, you want to star in that movie? 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.759 Will If they're the like the the lead guy. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.240 Is this really out of shape guy who doesn't really 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.000 pick up the martial arts quickly? 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.760 I'm the guy you call. That'd be great. I get 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.399 to the first you know, it's always like a video game. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:25.840 You've got to go level by level and you get 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.720 to the bad boss, right, and be killed at the 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:29.160 first level every single time. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:31.880 I think you sell yourself short. 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:33.959 Yeah, but do we think. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.400 The title is a reference to boy Meets World? Did 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.240 boy meets World create that phrase? 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:39.480 Meets World? 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:40.680 No, boy meets. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.840 Girl, Right, So I think it was a development. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.600 I think it was boy meets Girl is like the 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.520 saying or the phrase, and then boy Meets World was a. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:48.160 Play on that. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.440 And now it does seem like boy meets World has 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.640 entered enough of the like cultural zeite guys that you 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.760 can build on off that, right, Yeah, so it's like riff. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.040 It is sort of a riff on our I mean. 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.760 I think because howels because I remember when Boy Meet's 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.200 World was the title, when that was announced before we 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.760 did or we had already done the pilot, it. 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:12.160 Was we were all like kind of and then it 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:13.800 just kind of got used to it. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.960 And now it's totally like, I can't imagine it being 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.200 called anything else, but it wasn't. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:19.959 I don't think it was a great. 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:21.320 Title at first it either. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:24.480 But yeah, I can't even I can't even like reset 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.280 my brain to that feeling because. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:26.960 I can't show I. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:31.560 Have no memory of it's just like right being the thing, right, 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:32.399 and I wonder. 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.760 If most people feel that way. Now you know it's. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.760 Because you when you booked it, though, because now we've 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.040 seen the original original. 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.000 When you booked it, was it the Ben Savage Project 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:41.280 or was. 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.640 It eleven untitled Ben Savage product? 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.720 Okay, so I never saw it. It was eleven. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.919 Yeah, so the pilot that you got, because you actually 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:50.160 send it to me and I haven't watched it. You 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.079 sent want the original you did, and it was called 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.720 eleven in that Yeah, yeah, okay, so it must have 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.639 been untitled Ben Savage. Then they tested eleven, right, and 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.560 then they were like, Nope, that's not gonna work, and 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.400 this older brother's not going to work, and that dad's 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.520 not gonna work, and so they made all those changes. 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:04.880 Yeah. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:06.079 Yeah, But I remember. 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.720 Going back to BOYL and being like what they talking 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.360 with my parents being like I don't like this, but 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:12.720 now I totally love it. 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:14.079 Yeah, perfectly. 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:15.120 I want to clarify. 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.720 I think we had talked about this very early on 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.720 in the show, that we had seen the original pilot, 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:22.440 that Will had found it. I think we talked about 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.840 it on the show, but just in case we haven't, 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:32.480 Will had a copy of the original Boy Meets World pilot. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.680 That was the one we saw called eleven and no, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.200 I'll answer your question now, we will not and cannot 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:43.200 post it. But it had the original cast members, the 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.720 original Eric and the original Alan Matthews. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.280 So we we have seen it, but we know we 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:51.200 will not share it with you. 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.680 As much as we'd love to, we would be sued 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.800 to high heavens, yes so fast. 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.920 Something that's with the title that's always struck me is 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.160 like I realized after we finished the show, Like you know, 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.640 if I talked about the show ever in my life, 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.520 and I know we all when we talked about it, 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.600 we always referred to it as boy. 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.560 Boy like we were just shortened it to boy, but 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:16.080 fans didn't do that. 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.480 Like within the production we always said, oh I got 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.719 to go back to work on boy, or we're in 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:22.880 a new season a boy like That's how we always 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.880 referred to it. And it was like later I would 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.159 make that reference to non production members. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.120 That it'd be like, what are you talking about? 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:33.960 And if anything, it would be shortened to like BMW 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:38.640 yeah yeah, which is so weird because we never called 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.480 it that, like we never were like you know, and 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.240 so I wonder where that's at now because I'm assuming 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.560 we still call it boy, like do we I don't 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:46.640 know on this show do we call it? 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:51.680 I call it BMW and anything that's written bmwbmwbm do 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.120 anything written is BMW. I will say, especially if we're 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.320 ever talking about boy versus girl, Like when somebody comes 0:04:58.360 --> 0:04:59.640 up to me and talks to me at a con 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.760 and they say, like playing Topanga and they have a 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.200 question about it, and I'll say, well, when we were 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.840 doing boy and then and then, but then when we 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.360 did girl, and so I I do notice that, I'll 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:09.839 do that. 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.120 I say it like that. 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.160 I just call it fuller house, which is really confusing, 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:15.200 how that you know. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.360 What you're right now that now that you mention it 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:22.080 my show is that? Where my show Eric Matthews Show. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.200 When I was on my show, I was on So 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.800 Second Up. One of TV's best and brightest stars in 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.720 my humble opinion, was on Hot Ones with Sean Evans, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.760 a show where celebrities eat escalating hot wings. 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:38.920 During an interview, I. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:39.600 Want to do that. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:41.239 I want to do it. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:42.400 I want to do it. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.800 Well, you took the kalas off of my plate. Last night. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.760 We had dinner at like taking a kalipino off of every. 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:53.160 Single piece of sushi that they were serving. 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:56.560 You were like, you're not going to eat those. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.960 Let me tell you something, right, if we ever got 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.160 offered to do hot ones as a trio and you 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.479 said no and then we didn't get to do it, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.960 I would not kill you, but I would think. 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.360 Can you tap out? Can you stop? Yes, I've never 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:12.600 seen it. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:14.960 I could just tap out before we even started to 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:20.000 be like, yeah, you can tap out. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.280 Milk God the option. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.599 You could have any type of milk you want, but 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.800 milk is counteracts the heat, so they let you could 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:27.880 have an oat milk. 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:33.599 Much eat like bread. Isn't it better to eat something 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.120 that like sort of absorbs the oils. 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:36.520 They let you do that though. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.080 When we were in Thailand, I ate the hottest fries 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.839 I've ever eaten in my life, and nothing was working. 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.200 I was like, anything, give me regular fries, give me bread, 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:46.440 give me a cracker or anything. 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.320 And milk did actually help. 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:50.240 It helps a bit. 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.480 The time I got to milk, I was like, Okay, 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:53.600 this is working a little bit. 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.040 It's a stop gap to get you to the bathroom. 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.480 Correct, this is so awful. 0:06:58.640 --> 0:06:59.600 Why do you do this too. 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.520 We want to do it. 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:02.240 I want to do it. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:03.400 I want to do it. I do so. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:08.360 In this segment, Sean is rapid Fire asking Quinta Brunson 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:14.880 questions and her thoughts on some classic sitcoms. And she's 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:22.040 from Abbott Elementary I've never seen. He is incredible and 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.800 she's just I absolutely love her. I follow her on Instagram. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.280 She's one Emmy's She's she's like an EP. She's so 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.560 freaking smart and wonderful. Anyway, Boy Meets World is mentioned, 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.640 and here's the clip, and remember she's currently trying not 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.120 to die from wing heat. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:45.280 Okay, world great in Philadelphia, mister Feenie legend, interesting cast, 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.520 one of the first interracial couples on on our on 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.360 our TV screens that we just allowed in every day. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:08:00.600 Good to Panga, that's fine. 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.000 That's fine, to Panga, that's fine. 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:01.960 That's a bunch you though. That's a fun name. 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.280 I loved it and everybody kept sending it to us. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:07.400 So great, so fun. 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.080 Always fun to see a Boy Meets World mentioned, like 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.680 in the wild, you know, like when it's on Jeopardy 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.880 or something. I always think, Wow, that's so cool. 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.280 I'm still waiting to see one of our Pod meets 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.800 World shirts in the wild was I saw one? A 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.800 guy walked onto an airplane with one, but it was 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.080 coming back from one of our live shows. 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:28.680 I think, what about the counts? 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:30.640 What about the football player who got injured during the 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.199 Super Bowl? Yeah? 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.480 Oh j yeah that counts. 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.520 You were one of our shirts, right, I met like 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.800 in like I actually, yeah, he went to the mall 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:41.400 or something, and it's like, and I never go to 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.839 the mall, so that probably won't happen, but somewhere where 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.080 I'm like, hey, Pod meets World shirt, that would be cool. 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.680 Well, finally, this one has been brought to my attention 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.080 a lot, and it involved another best and Brightest star, 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.000 Elvis himself some might. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.240 Say Oscar nominee. 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.400 Austin Butler, the thirty two year old was asked on 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.600 the Drew berry More Show about who his first crush was, 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:04.600 and here is his answer. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.360 It was your first crush. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.640 I think, like Topanga on what was that show? Was that? 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.800 Boy? Is that? 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:13.200 What was that? 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:13.480 Well? 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.800 Say you find a boy in this world? Which one 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:17.200 is it? Boymous world? 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:17.880 To me? 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:18.440 Manga? 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.240 Okay, So it sounds. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.480 Like just a bunch of clips of celebrities talking about you. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.040 Hmm, is that what you you found? Shatter? 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:35.959 And another time people loved me and here I was 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.760 the world crush. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:42.360 From getting asked about Boy Meets World And then one 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.480 that's Austin Butler saying I was his crush. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:45.360 Outed this whole thing. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:46.199 Now, you guys. 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:47.240 Accusing me of it being about me. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:47.559 No. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.840 I thought that was very cute and people sent it 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:51.640 to me all over the place because Austin Butler is 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.640 obviously I mean, he's a smoke show and that's pretty 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:55.800 cool to be his first crush. 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.840 But also I just want to play this clip because. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:03.160 Because it from a few months earlier when he was 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:08.360 promoting Elvis and weirdly w magazine asks him, who was 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:09.319 your first crush? 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:10.520 And here's what he said. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:12.760 It was my cinematic crush. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.079 I had a crush on to Panga from as A 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.880 Saved by the Bell. Oh, to Pega from Boy Meets 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.480 World It's not Saved by the Bell? 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.840 Yeah to Penga, Yeah, I watched that a lot. 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:25.200 As a kid. 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.160 I feel like that's the first time I remember having 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:28.760 a crush. 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.760 He's stilling a cool and cool. I don't know, I mean, 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.360 I don't know what show it was, Mike, Why keep 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:34.680 doing a bit? 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:35.600 What do you keep doing a bit? 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:35.760 Bro? 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:36.559 Yeah, it's a bit. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:41.360 Elvis's Creek the first one? Which one to get it? 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.960 You didn't remember? Saved by the Bell? Couldn't couldn't get 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.760 it right? Who was it? Save by the Bell? Just 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:47.679 a few months. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:51.560 Later, you know he's got he's got a lot in 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:52.440 his his play. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:53.560 He's dealing with a lot. 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.760 He's still it's like Saved by the Bell and boy 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.440 means world occupy the same part. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:01.079 Of his uh, his brain. You know that was a 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:01.440 good show. 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:06.360 I think he's still doing the Elephs voice I can't. 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.160 Get rid of and send one out to her. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.000 Let's let's keep our yours open. I wonder if he's 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:12.120 gonna do it a third time. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:14.600 Show. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.760 At this point, no one out there doesn't know the answer, 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.040 so no one will ask him that same question again 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:21.920 and yet again. 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:26.880 Who's your first crush? Anyway? Welcome to Pod Meets World. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.880 I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm writer Strong, and I'm Wilfredell. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.720 So if you have been listening to the season four 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.720 episodes of this podcast, you know that, without a doubt, 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.840 this has been the absolute best run of Boy Meets 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.840 World we have seen so far. There have been so 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:59.520 many iconic moments, memorable storylines, legendary quotes, peak performances, and 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.080 hilario jokes. It has caught us completely off guard. How 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.079 did this particular run of scripts and ideas for twenty 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.040 two episodes of the show become what appears to be 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:10.760 an undeniable sweet spot? 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.640 What happened? What was different? 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.920 How did they bat so close to a thousand? We've 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.320 thrown out ideas like increased budget, a comfort over time 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.760 with the production schedule, a shift in the writer's room, 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.320 or a newfound commitment to other characters. Anything is possible, 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.160 but we want to know more about it. So to 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.080 talk about the excellence that is season four, we are 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.880 welcoming back one of the core members of the creative team. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.480 His name has appeared on some of the most classic 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.760 Boy Meets World scripts, and from what we've seen so 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.240 far in season four, he wrote Shallow Boy, Dangerous Secret, 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.560 and an Affair to Forget Quite a trio. So please 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:50.840 welcome back to Pod Meets World. Writer and producer Jeff Sherman. 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:56.920 Hey, hi gotcha? 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:57.560 Are you not? 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.960 Did you give up your more? And this is not 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:01.760 an exaggeration. 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:06.920 Sixteen mile walk to come and talk to us today. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.840 I would give up seventeen miles for you. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.640 He walked sixteen miles. He walked sixteen miles a day. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:14.520 That's amazing. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.120 I got into a pattern of walking eight miles a day. 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.199 But then about twice a week, I'll try to get 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:21.920 down to the beach and I'll just walk in the 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:23.440 bike path for sixteen miles. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.280 So and you're listening to Podmeet's World the whole time. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:27.240 I actually do. 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:29.800 I love it. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.360 You could staff over by, I walk and I just 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:34.960 get lost in what you're talking about. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.560 Screaming at us the whole time. You're like, that's not what, 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.240 that's not right. That's once in a while, it's just 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.840 I wish I could just you know, all in. Yes, 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.040 that's why we had you back. That's why we had 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:48.760 to have you back. 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.080 I'm so honored to be back you guys. It's great. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.040 Well, we wanted to bring you back on the show 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.120 to talk about the magic that has been season four 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.000 and what was happening behind the scenes while like all 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.080 this classic was being made. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.360 Well, you know, I've been on the show from the 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.520 very beginning, not the pilot itself, but I came on. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.080 My first episode was on the Fence, the first episode 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.600 that aired out, so I'd been on it the whole 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:16.240 time and seen different iterations of the staff. You know. 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.319 The first year it was like a doctor in Strauss 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.360 kind of year in April Kelly, and then they all left, 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.280 and then it was David Kendall for a couple of years, 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:27.400 and then the fourth year, Bob Young came on and 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:31.200 David left. I think he'd had enough of it, really know. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.480 We never really talked about it, but it's sort of 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.720 the same way you guys are with the cast. People 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:37.920 would leave the staff and we would never hear why, 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.200 but you know, it just kind of happened, right. So 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.600 fourth year came on and I loved Bob Young. He 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.800 was great. He was a perfect kind of a counter 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:51.520 to Michael. He was really kind of, you know, joke 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:55.080 structurally interesting things. He had sort of different take on things, 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.480 and he was sort of a voice of reason sometimes 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.800 when when you that writer's room. 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:01.880 So interesting. 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.560 Yeah, he was a very different personality because I mean 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.920 to be honest, like Bob, he sort of he for us. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.160 He was not like very aggressive, he was very sort 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:14.400 of the nicest Yeah, totally the nicest guy. But I 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.960 always remember, like if I was having a conversation with Bob, 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.440 it was like, okay, we've been thinking. It was always 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.000 so reasonable and sort of like, here's what's been going on. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.160 He's just such a great guy, but a very different 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.480 energy than like the rest of the writing stuff. 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.480 Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know, the great thing with the 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.160 writing staff is you tend to get you know, when 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.080 you when you fill a writer's room, you get people. 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.080 It's like a baseball team. You get somebody's good at hitting, 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.040 somebody that's good at pitching, somebody that's good at fielding, whatever. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.520 And so that room the fourth year, I think it 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.560 really kind of came together and there was a lot 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.560 of cooking there. You know, we had bloodin bus Gang 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.520 Minell was there, he was that, Matt Nelson was there. 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.480 I don't completely remember the whole was Kevin there, Kevin 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:55.360 Calton maybe he might. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.280 Have been Kevin Kelton, Susan Estelle Janson, Steve. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.960 Hibbert came in the gimp. 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.920 I remember you telling me this was after boy Me's World. 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:08.920 I remember you you said basically the same thing you 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.520 just said, and you put it so well and it's 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.520 something that's it's like a lesson that's always stuck with me. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.040 You're like, look, right, are there are? There are really 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:16.760 kind of three types of television writers. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.680 There are those who are good on the page, there 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.320 are those who are good in the room, and there 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.320 are those who are good at both. And you're like, 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.120 and you kind of need them all, you know, like 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.440 and you weren't saying that like one was better than 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.840 the other. You were just like, there's different different, and 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.280 that's really stuck with me. And I think that's super true. 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.040 Do you where do you fall? 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:33.400 Are you? 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:34.240 Are you good at both? 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.520 Or you know? I'm When I went into the writer's 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.720 room the first year, I was kind of shy. I 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.120 didn't really I'm not a stand up comedian. I hadn't 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.200 been used to being in writers' rooms. But by the 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.160 fourth year I was pretty good at speaking up and 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.440 pitching stuff and adding jokes to people's things. You know, 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.800 I pitched a bunch of stories that got made for 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.920 the season that some of them I didn't even write. 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.120 You know, I kind of got it for me. The 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.600 fourth season, the age you guys were at, you know, 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.199 we went from being a kid showed a sort of 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:06.800 like an older adolescent show. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:07.320 Yeah. 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.479 Yeah, So it opened up a whole bunch of stories 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.119 I was more comfortable with, and I got to do 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:13.879 a couple of stories that I really wanted to do. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:18.520 For the four years, you know, I earned a little 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.360 bit of cred with Michael, and so for instance, one 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.520 of the shows that I wanted to do all four 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:29.080 years was A Dangerous Secret of the Beauty and Michael 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:30.760 said the first you know, I just got laughed out 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:32.720 of the room. The first year they went, really, we're 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.080 going to do an abuse show with a little kid. 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:38.040 And then second year and so finally I was only 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.360 contracted for three years and I was getting offers from 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.239 other shows I kind of wanted to go to. I 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.600 loved you guys that I wanted to stay. But there 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.199