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Speaker 1: Some Boy Meets World in Pop Culture News. We got

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Speaker 1: a lot of emails about all three of these things.

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Speaker 1: And first up is a new movie out called Boy

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Speaker 1: Kills worlds Well sent it in our group chat. We

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Speaker 1: also got a lot of emails about it. There were

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Speaker 1: a lot of comments on social media. It comes out

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Speaker 1: in April, but the trailer was released last month and

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Speaker 1: it stars Bill Scarsgard, Jessica Roth or maybe Roth and

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Speaker 1: Brett Gelman. It may have similarities to the name of

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Speaker 1: our show, but that's about where it ends. The movie

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Speaker 1: is about a deaf man named Boy who escapes to

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Speaker 1: the jungle after his family is killed. He's then trained

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Speaker 1: by a mysterious mentor to enact vengeance on the murderers.

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Speaker 2: Oh god's my dream movie.

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Speaker 3: It's like kill Bill, right, it's a very kill Bill

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Speaker 3: John Wickish.

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Speaker 4: Right, you want to star in that movie?

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Speaker 2: Will If they're the like the the lead guy.

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Speaker 5: Is this really out of shape guy who doesn't really

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Speaker 2: I'm the guy you call. That'd be great. I get

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Speaker 2: to the first you know, it's always like a video game.

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Speaker 5: You've got to go level by level and you get

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Speaker 5: to the bad boss, right, and be killed at the

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Speaker 4: I think you sell yourself short.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but do we think.

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Speaker 1: The title is a reference to boy Meets World? Did

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Speaker 1: boy meets World create that phrase?

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Speaker 4: Meets World?

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Speaker 2: No, boy meets.

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Speaker 3: Girl, Right, So I think it was a development.

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Speaker 7: I think it was boy meets Girl is like the

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Speaker 3: Play on that.

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Speaker 7: And now it does seem like boy meets World has

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Speaker 7: can build on off that, right, Yeah, so it's like riff.

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Speaker 3: It is sort of a riff on our I mean.

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Speaker 7: I think because howels because I remember when Boy Meet's

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Speaker 7: World was the title, when that was announced before we

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Speaker 3: Was we were all like kind of and then it

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Speaker 7: And now it's totally like, I can't imagine it being

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Speaker 3: I don't think it was a great.

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Speaker 2: Title at first it either.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, I can't even I can't even like reset

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Speaker 1: Have no memory of it's just like right being the thing, right,

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Speaker 3: If most people feel that way. Now you know it's.

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Speaker 5: Because you when you booked it, though, because now we've

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Speaker 2: When you booked it, was it the Ben Savage Project

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Speaker 3: It eleven untitled Ben Savage product?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I never saw it. It was eleven.

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Speaker 7: eleven in that Yeah, yeah, okay, so it must have

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Speaker 7: been untitled Ben Savage. Then they tested eleven, right, and

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Speaker 7: then they were like, Nope, that's not gonna work, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I remember.

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Speaker 7: Going back to BOYL and being like what they talking

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Speaker 3: Yeah, perfectly.

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Speaker 4: I want to clarify.

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Speaker 1: I think we had talked about this very early on

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Speaker 1: Will had a copy of the original Boy Meets World pilot.

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Speaker 1: That was the one we saw called eleven and no,

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Speaker 1: I'll answer your question now, we will not and cannot

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Speaker 1: post it. But it had the original cast members, the

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Speaker 4: So we we have seen it, but we know we

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Speaker 1: As much as we'd love to, we would be sued

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Speaker 7: Something that's with the title that's always struck me is

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Speaker 7: we always referred to it as boy.

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Speaker 4: Boy like we were just shortened it to boy, but

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Speaker 7: Like within the production we always said, oh I got

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Speaker 3: That it'd be like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 7: And if anything, it would be shortened to like BMW

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Speaker 1: ever talking about boy versus girl, Like when somebody comes

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Speaker 2: I just call it fuller house, which is really confusing,

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Speaker 1: What you're right now that now that you mention it

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Speaker 1: my humble opinion, was on Hot Ones with Sean Evans,

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Speaker 3: Well, you took the kalas off of my plate. Last night.

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Speaker 3: You were like, you're not going to eat those.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, right, if we ever got

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Speaker 1: I would not kill you, but I would think.

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Speaker 3: Can you tap out? Can you stop? Yes, I've never

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Speaker 3: Milk God the option.

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Speaker 1: You could have any type of milk you want, but

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Speaker 2: They let you do that though.

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Speaker 1: When we were in Thailand, I ate the hottest fries

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Speaker 4: And milk did actually help.

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Speaker 2: It's a stop gap to get you to the bathroom.

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Speaker 3: Correct, this is so awful.

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Speaker 6: Why do you do this too.

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Speaker 4: We want to do it.

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Speaker 1: In this segment, Sean is rapid Fire asking Quinta Brunson

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Speaker 9: Okay, world great in Philadelphia, mister Feenie legend, interesting cast,

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Speaker 9: Good to Panga, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, to Panga, that's fine.

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Speaker 4: That's a bunch you though. That's a fun name.

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Speaker 5: I'm still waiting to see one of our Pod meets

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Speaker 10: You were one of our shirts, right, I met like

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Speaker 10: I'm like, hey, Pod meets World shirt, that would be cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, finally, this one has been brought to my attention

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Speaker 1: a lot, and it involved another best and Brightest star,

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Speaker 4: Say Oscar nominee.

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Speaker 1: Austin Butler, the thirty two year old was asked on

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Speaker 1: the Drew berry More Show about who his first crush was,

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Speaker 1: and here is his answer.

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Speaker 4: It was your first crush.

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Speaker 11: I think, like Topanga on what was that show? Was that?

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Speaker 8: Boy? Is that?

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Speaker 6: What was that?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 3: Say you find a boy in this world? Which one

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Speaker 3: is it? Boymous world?

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Speaker 8: To me?

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Speaker 6: Manga?

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Speaker 4: Okay, So it sounds.

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Speaker 2: Like just a bunch of clips of celebrities talking about you.

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Speaker 3: Hmm, is that what you you found? Shatter?

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Speaker 6: And another time people loved me and here I was

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Speaker 6: the world crush.

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Speaker 1: From getting asked about Boy Meets World And then one

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Speaker 1: that's Austin Butler saying I was his crush.

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Speaker 4: Outed this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Now, you guys.

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Speaker 4: Accusing me of it being about me.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was very cute and people sent it

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Speaker 4: Who's your first crush? Anyway? Welcome to Pod Meets World.

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Speaker 4: I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm writer Strong, and I'm Wilfredell.

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Pod Meets World. Writer and producer Jeff Sherman.

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Speaker 7: Hey, hi gotcha?

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Speaker 6: Are you not?

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Speaker 5: Sixteen mile walk to come and talk to us today.

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Speaker 8: I would give up seventeen miles for you.

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Speaker 8: I got into a pattern of walking eight miles a day.

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Speaker 8: I'm so honored to be back you guys. It's great.

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Speaker 8: was the feene Eric thing all the way. If you

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00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,320
Speaker 8: look at if you trace my episodes, it's the sat

450
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 8: it's all the different things I really want. Eric was

451
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 8: always really bright, and I felt that Corey knew that

452
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,240
Speaker 8: because if you see Eric kind of plays goofy around

453
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 8: other people, and when he gets serious with Corey, he's

454
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 8: really smart. He gives them, he almost gives them Feenie

455
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,360
Speaker 8: advice in his own way.

456
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Speaker 3: Wow insight.

457
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I knew Will, I knew all you guys,

458
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 8: and I just went, he's so smart, and you know

459
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,200
Speaker 8: what I said. Anyway, So the dangerous secret when I'll

460
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,479
Speaker 8: go back to so Michael in the room was like,

461
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 8: I remember, I was getting real opposition. That's gonna be horrible.

462
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 8: It's gonna oh serious of special Jeff. You know, I

463
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,919
Speaker 8: got the damn I've got a deal with Michael. And

464
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 8: he said I could do it this year. So I

465
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 8: go in and I outlined it. I showed it to

466
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 8: Michael and he says, okay, sure, He said, I'll tell

467
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 8: you what, if you can make this funny and not

468
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 8: too heavy for two thirds of it all support you wanted.

469
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,400
Speaker 8: If you can't, I'm not going to do the episode,

470
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 8: it said, bit you, he said. I said, I'd let

471
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 8: you write it, so I.

472
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Speaker 3: Oh, wow, you had to. You had to prove it

473
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Speaker 3: on the page.

474
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Speaker 8: And it was hard because when I finally got down

475
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 8: to it, I went, I got to make this thing

476
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 8: work right, And I was really serious about it, and

477
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 8: I talked to a couple of psychologists, a couple of

478
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 8: police officers about what to put in this episode before

479
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 8: I'd even pitched it. You know, amazing, So then everybody

480
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 8: was sort of pointing me toward this place called the

481
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 8: Child Help Hotline. Everybody I talked to you, they said,

482
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 8: that's kind of the clearinghouse for all kids that are

483
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 8: in trouble. It was a national hotline. Still is it's

484
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 8: still there. Sadly, it's still an issue. And so I

485
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 8: got in touch with a head of Child Help Hotline

486
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 8: and we talked for a long time, and he put

487
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Speaker 8: me in touch with victims. He put me in touch

488
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 8: with people that worked with their group. I talked to

489
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 8: so many people, and I kind of I made notes

490
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 8: and found what the common things were. In fact, some

491
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 8: of the poignant lines in Dangerous Secret, like when Claire

492
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 8: says why did he have me? That was what devastated Yeah,

493
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 8: it was real dialogue. The people said to me, most

494
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,479
Speaker 8: of it in that part, and I wanted to make

495
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Speaker 8: it right. And the thing that kind of upset me

496
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 8: was when the show went to Disney Channel. Writer, I

497
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 8: don't know. I remember I was listening to an episode

498
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 8: of A couple when you were talking about it, And remember

499
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 8: that Michael and I called you up into the office

500
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Speaker 8: and he was there. The reason we called you up

501
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 8: was because I wanted to put a PSA at the

502
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Speaker 8: end of the episode, which is I don't know if

503
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 8: you guys have gone through that. It's a big ordeal

504
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 8: because you have to get network, studio approval, you have

505
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 8: to get you know, your group's approval, you have to

506
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 8: get all these different things.

507
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Speaker 5: So I got it, by the way, just for everybody

508
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 5: listening who might not know, a PSA's a public service announcement.

509
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 5: It's one of those things at the end where it's

510
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 5: like drawing attention to whatever issue.

511
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 8: You just right and shows the number for the hotline.

512
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 8: At the time, there was no internet, so it's just

513
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 8: a phone number. Now they're online, you can find it,

514
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 8: and so it was really important me to get this right.

515
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 8: And so when we got the PSA on, I got

516
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 8: a phone call from the network. They said you can't

517
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Speaker 8: put that on. I said, what are you talking about?

518
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 8: They said, well, Child Help Hotline is backed by a

519
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 8: corporation that is in conflict with one of our big

520
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 8: sponsors and they don't want it on. I said, okay,

521
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 8: their number, So I called and spoke to a This

522
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 8: was like a major This was just me going, I'm

523
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 8: constantly trying to get and I cut this kind of

524
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Speaker 8: the phone, and I shamed him and I said, so

525
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 8: you're gonna you know, this is one of the most

526
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 8: watched kid shows, family shows in the country, in the

527
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 8: world at the time, And I said, you know, this

528
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 8: is a wonderful opportunity for people to find a resource

529
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 8: to get help, and you're going to stop that. And

530
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 8: the guy shamed if. He said, all right, go ahead.

531
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Speaker 8: So I got it and we and we put it on.

532
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 8: But when we went to Disney Channel, for some reason,

533
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 8: they've cut the Child Health Hotline thing out. Probably there's oil,

534
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 8: maybe it was time. I don't know. I know everybody goes,

535
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 8: you know, go to the police. Even the police told

536
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 8: me it's great if you come to the police in

537
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 8: an emergency, but child Help Hotline is the real solution

538
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 8: because they have to get you to the right people.

539
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Speaker 1: Well, that ps A is on YouTube and it's in

540
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Speaker 1: writer's voice, so if anybody's interested.

541
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Speaker 7: Okay, So you called me into the office to check

542
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Speaker 7: if I would be cool recording the voiceover.

543
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Speaker 8: Wasn't it will do it, But it didn't make any

544
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 8: sense because it was your story, you know. But or

545
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 8: Ben you know, but but I thought that and you

546
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Speaker 8: you said absolutely were yeah, Oh.

547
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Speaker 5: Wow, it's so interesting that you say that you got

548
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 5: a lot of your dialogue from survivors and things like that,

549
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 5: because one of the things we talked about when we

550
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 5: recapped the episode was all the little subtleties that were

551
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 5: done that made it so real, like her saying if

552
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 5: you say anything, I'm just gonna lie. Yeah, her blaming

553
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 5: herself making it a powerful man instead of it was

554
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 5: like only takes place in poor communities. It was all

555
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 5: those little things that were done that made it that

556
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 5: episode to where we as we're talking about it, we're like,

557
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 5: it all worked because of those things.

558
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Speaker 2: It just made it very real.

559
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 5: And of course then the actress Arianna was just so

560
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 5: good and really just crushed the park.

561
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: It was just it was.

562
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, was she chosen? Did she audition? Was she chose?

563
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Speaker 8: Like?

564
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Speaker 4: How did how did you get to her?

565
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 8: I was at the point where I could do that.

566
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 8: I had seen Jurassic Park and I said it would

567
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 8: be great to get that girl. It's in Jurassic Park.

568
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 8: And we got her and yeah, yeah she was terrific.

569
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Speaker 8: But you know it's for me. It was like I

570
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 8: knew this was going to be my last year because

571
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 8: I thought it was going to towards the end of

572
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 8: the year. I think I told you last time in

573
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 8: the last podcast. Michael came to in my office and

574
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 8: he said, you know, sure, I'm going to be doing

575
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 8: some other stuff, so I want you to run the

576
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,479
Speaker 8: show next year. So I started working on them, and

577
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 8: then and Bluckman and Bustment I think had gone away,

578
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 8: and then they came back and wanted to do it.

579
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 8: Michael said, I have to give it to them because

580
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 8: they are half stuff above you, and I left because

581
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 8: that was that was kind of my political We were

582
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 8: bumping up. We're all really good friends. Now at the time,

583
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 8: you know, you're stuck in a room together type.

584
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 7: I have to think about your own career too. You're

585
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 7: all jocking for the future, you know, can't you can't

586
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 7: just be thinking one episode out or one season out.

587
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 7: You have to think, you know, I got to provide

588
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 7: for my family and provide for my career.

589
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, and this serial with TV, you know, because you

590
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 8: do take this big leap over this gap going. I

591
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 8: hope that show keeps what you were saying before. You know,

592
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 8: you don't know, but I knew that for me developmentally

593
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 8: and every other way I saw that the show was

594
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 8: going to start turning a little more serious. I just

595
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 8: I really, my goals when I came men were I

596
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 8: really wanted to get Will in college. I wanted to

597
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 8: get Eric in college. I just thought that's such a thing.

598
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 8: So that was the other I know this, you guys

599
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 8: haven't done that episode yet, but when you get to it,

600
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 8: you know, it was like we had a big debate

601
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 8: in the writer's room because you know, Michael never finished college.

602
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 8: A lot of the people in that room never went

603
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 8: to college and never finished college. So they were going,

604
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 8: do you really need.

605
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 7: College to have a life, And oh, that's so interesting

606
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 7: because we've talked about that. The college focus on boying

607
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 7: me's world. So so you were the pro college.

608
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 8: Guy absolutely, and I just you know, it's it's fine

609
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 8: to you know, you don't necessarily have to go. But

610
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 8: for everybody kind of perceived a kind of maybe he

611
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 8: was dumb, but I always thought it was really smart.

612
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 8: The one woman show, you know, we just did that.

613
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 8: It was funny. You know, it was like he was

614
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 8: he was doing he did things when the time came.

615
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 8: He was really smart and made the right moves. And

616
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 8: I thought, this kid is a role model for so

617
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 8: many kids. And if we say he doesn't have to

618
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 8: go to college, think how many kids would have gone

619
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 8: I don't have to go to college. So I I

620
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 8: just took Michael aside again and I said, Michael, this

621
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 8: is he'd given me this last episode. I'd had four.

622
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 8: I was contracted do four, and he came to gave

623
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 8: me five, which was a I think Bluckman. The bus

624
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 8: Gang as a team got four, and they were very

625
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 8: upsets with me, Michael. So but that was my The

626
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 8: other thing was they wanted me to be in that episode.

627
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 8: I never did the only thing I ever did on

628
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 8: Boy Meets Role. I don't know if you know this.

629
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 8: There was one episode where Corey was giving you Topanga

630
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 8: a little bear that said I love you very much,

631
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 8: and then you guys have broken up, so he was

632
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 8: thrown all the stuff away through the teddy bear and

633
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 8: the trash capactor.

634
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 3: I love you very.

635
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 10: Jazz.

636
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: It was your voice.

637
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 8: Nice.

638
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: Oh that's so funny.

639
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: Okay, this is going to be a maybe this is

640
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: a weird question because it's obviously child abuse is something

641
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: we should all care about. But was there a reason

642
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: that was so important to you? Did you have a

643
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: personal attachment to that considering now that we found out

644
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: you've been pitching it since season one, what was it

645
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: about that storyline that really you wanted to do so badly?

646
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 8: You know, I grew up in an affluent neighborhood where

647
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 8: a lot of the kids were abused, you know, sexually, physically, emotionally,

648
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 8: and her parents were very upstanding people. And didn't know.

649
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 8: One of my best friends even killed himself because he'd

650
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 8: been abused all his childhood. I knew that it was

651
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 8: a and his mother's was a very famous, famous, famous actress.

652
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 8: I may I've told someone you about. I don't talk

653
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 8: about it publicly, very beloved, but she was horrible to him.

654
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 8: So to me, that was something that always haunted me.

655
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 8: And you know what I wanted to do even in

656
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 8: that episode too, I thought, you know, it's a more

657
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 8: adult season this season four. You guys were getting older,

658
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 8: so I thought, you know, Corey. It also sprung that

659
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 8: story with Corey and Tapango, which was Corey he's not

660
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 8: keeping up with his friend and even though he knows,

661
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 8: he doesn't know what to do, but he thinks he

662
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 8: should be these things. So what really the story for

663
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 8: me was Sean Ryder is an adult at the beginning

664
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 8: taking care of somebody, but really he's just a kid,

665
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 8: and you find that out at the end because he

666
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 8: doesn't have the adult solutions.

667
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: He doesn't sources.

668
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 8: He's fixing it as a kid. And Corey, who seems

669
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 8: like a kid emotionally because he doesn't know what to

670
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 8: do with the Panga, rises up and becomes the adult,

671
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 8: which he did in The Fugitive, which he did in

672
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 8: a lot of my others. And that was I was

673
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 8: trying to touch back to some of those things because

674
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 8: I kind of knew I was getting to the end

675
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 8: of my stay on the show, and there were a

676
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 8: few things I wanted to tie up and make sure

677
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 8: that they kind of were on their way. I wanted

678
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 8: to start a college years and I named Pembroke, you know,

679
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 8: all that kind of stuff. There were little things that

680
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 8: stayed afterwards, but the h you know, I tried to

681
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 8: do one every season. I did one on school vandalism,

682
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 8: I did one on running away from Home the Fugitive,

683
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 8: just issues that would have hit those kids. And the

684
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 8: funny story with the Dangerous Secret was so when I

685
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 8: finally finished the script, I turn it in and I'm

686
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 8: sitting in we were KTLA. I'm in my corner office

687
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 8: and Michael's all the way down the hall and Jerlyn

688
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 8: comes and goes, Michael wants to talk to you. Great,

689
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 8: you know. So I go down the hall.

690
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: And think, talk about let's tell our listeners who Jerylyn is.

691
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: We I don't think we've ever mentioned Jerylyn on the podcast.

692
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 8: Carolyn. She's wonderful. Jerlyne was Michael's intrepid assistant.

693
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 4: She did it, but I don't either.

694
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 8: I don't even know her name. Softly, it's her name

695
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 8: is Jarlyne.

696
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: I know we can all picture, we can all hear it.

697
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 8: So she comes down. She goes, sure, Mike wants you, okay.

698
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 8: So I go down the hall and the only two

699
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 8: people it's somber it's going to darken the room, and

700
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 8: Bob Young singing sitting in a chair. I can't read them.

701
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 8: And Michael's got the script on his desk and he'

702
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 8: and he flips it over and he goes, I'm not

703
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 8: changing a word. Oh my god, really, that's never I mean,

704
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 8: Michael not to fly. This is we're going back all that.

705
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 8: But he's on my butt and as we're going, Bob

706
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 8: Young grabs my shoulder. Michael, you know, runs down the hall,

707
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 8: Bob Young goes, grabs shoulder, goes, it's never gonna.

708
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: How can change words? Page one, line one many shows?

709
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 8: Trust me, she said, don't get your heart. I'll set

710
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 8: the watch. Michael goes, everybody that script this is fantastic. Okay,

711
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 8: paid him in.

712
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: The back of my script, and he goes, I don't.

713
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 4: Even even when it's a perfect script.

714
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 8: But he ended up basically Michael had to rewrite it,

715
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 8: even though he really he changed so little of it

716
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 8: that on this one especially, it just was kind of

717
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 8: what it was. But he wanted to make sure that

718
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 8: nothing was good. And you know what, when I when

719
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 8: I watched the shows, I watched all five from season

720
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 8: four last night just to kind of refra haven't see

721
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 8: him in a while, and uh, you know, I hear

722
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 8: I remember bus Gang pitching stuff on my scripts. You know,

723
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 8: when you see a script and something maybe people don't understand,

724
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 8: your viewers or listeners don't know, is really when you're

725
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 8: in the room, the main the first writer really does

726
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 8: have a big impact on any script that comes in.

727
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 8: But then the route really kind of plays with it

728
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 8: and makes it think good and bad.

729
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: You know, it was like a hive mind, right, yeah, yeah, yes, And.

730
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 8: But you know, and you you do have some you know,

731
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 8: I got some cloud toward the end to kind of

732
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 8: keep things I liked. Michael would trust me with things.

733
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 8: But you know, it was hard. You know, it's it's

734
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 8: a it's a you have to kind of check your

735
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 8: ego at the door and just go in. And most

736
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 8: of the time it got so much better. I mean

737
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 8: everybody Buttman and Yawny and Matty Nelson was so great

738
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 8: with you know, characters and you know, uh it was

739
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 8: it was terrific. And Michael just you know, he just

740
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 8: had a magic to him. You know, he could hear

741
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 8: it and know it was going to work in that

742
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 8: episode most of the time.

743
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 5: Just looking back, would you do it? Because it seemed

744
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 5: like danger secret came exactly when it should have age

745
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 5: wise in the script, so our age wives in the show.

746
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 5: So looking back, if you had a chance to do

747
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 5: it first or second season, would you still have done

748
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 5: that or would you have saved it for when it

749
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 5: when it showed up.

750
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 8: I couldn't have done some of the stuff I.

751
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: Did on it, you know, Yeah, that's what I figured.

752
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 8: Censors were all over that episode. I mean we went

753
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 8: in and the first that a little black eye and

754
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 8: Michael and I went into makeup and I said, it's

755
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 8: got it. It's gotta be shocking when she walks out

756
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 8: of the shadows. Yeah, the sensor was there. I mean,

757
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 8: they were really on top of this episode because the

758
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 8: sex and the violence. You know. Yeah, so, but you know,

759
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 8: you just have to talk to them and shame the

760
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 8: kind of you know, that's part of being a producer

761
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 8: is just getting going. If you're not honest with it,

762
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 8: nobody's going to care.

763
00:33:45,720 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about shallow boy Yprum, I mean, other

764
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum, just showing your range. In season four,

765
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: we watched it recently and recapped it and we had

766
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 1: Lesha Haley on and we got to talk to her

767
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: and I just it's truly just to recap for any

768
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: of our listeners who don't remember. Eric starts dating a

769
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: highly optimistic musician, but her constant perkiness starts to annoy him.

770
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: After he dumps her, he finds himself the topic of

771
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: a scathing hit song on the radio. Meanwhile, Topanga does

772
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: not like Corey's habit of being pals with kids instead

773
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: of parenting them. What do you remember about that episode

774
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: and how do you remember coming to and then eventually

775
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: hiring Lesha Haley.

776
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 8: Well, the Lamis Morris had come out and found out,

777
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 8: you know, you heard like, who's this guy that she's

778
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 8: and it was the guy from like full House.

779
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 10: Apparently Dahl laughed about that.

780
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 8: But I thought, what if? And I said, what if

781
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 8: we did that? Like Eric meets this girl that writes

782
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 8: these little singing songy things and they're all kind of

783
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 8: sweet and all this, and he pisses her off basically,

784
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 8: and she becomes a Lanis Morisset because she's angry. Michael said,

785
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 8: that's your first episode. So that's what And then I

786
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 8: don't remember who somebody knew the band, but Blutman and

787
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 8: I believe it's just Buttlan and I went to a

788
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 8: little club and we went to see Lesha's band that

789
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 8: it was just the two women, the Murmurs and the

790
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 8: other you know, the other person in the band. The

791
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 8: woman the other woman in the band was so drunk

792
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 8: that night that she fell off the stage. Like, I'm like,

793
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 8: but Lisha was so cool and all that, I said,

794
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 8: she's she was just great And I said to her,

795
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 8: look you know, have you ever acted? She is not really,

796
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 8: but you know I've been wanting to, and so we

797
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 8: brought her in. She tested, She was great, and I

798
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 8: had written lyrics, you know, again in the room like

799
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 8: Hibbert actually came up with the shallow boy title. Oh

800
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 8: but he goes make it shallow boy. I just remember,

801
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 8: you know, you remember these things wherever. So that's great.

802
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 8: So but I'd written a bunch of like really horrible lyrics.

803
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 8: It's like Barney would have rejected them. So I said,

804
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 8: I was talking to Ray cole Court and she and Alicia,

805
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 8: I believe, said maybe she probably told you, but I

806
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 8: think she said, I'll just write some music for him,

807
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 8: And I went, okay, we'll see what happened. And she

808
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 8: came in. They were great, almost too good, you know,

809
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 8: it's like and so she just sort of surprised us

810
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 8: and blew us away.

811
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 7: And then did you guys have a separate meeting where

812
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 7: she came in and presented the songs or did she

813
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 7: just come to the table read with them.

814
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 8: I don't remember that.

815
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 5: She would she doesn't either, That's the thing. We're master

816
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 5: that and she she couldn't remember. She she thinks she

817
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 5: went to somebody's either office or house, and we didn't

818
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 5: know if it was maybe your house or Ray cole

819
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 5: Court's house. She said there was two or three guys there,

820
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 5: and then she went and yeah, recorded them separately for

821
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 5: then the track for the episode. But she doesn't remember

822
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: who was there, or she vaguely remembers you guys coming

823
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 5: to the concert because we told her that her partner

824
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 5: fell off the stage and of course she lost it.

825
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: She's like, we used to do that a lot back.

826
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: Any number of shows.

827
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: Frankly, I was thinking maybe she'd know exactly which was.

828
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 5: She was like, no, no, any number of performances.

829
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 8: So I really enjoyed doing on Boy Meet's World because

830
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 8: it was such a male heavy cast. I brought it

831
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 8: like I did sister Teresa, I did, you know, uh,

832
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 8: different ones with with women characters and then the one

833
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 8: affair to forget with the termin matrix and you know,

834
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 8: but I always loved to bring in these people because

835
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 8: it was fun to you know, I liked when Danielle

836
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 8: would play against them because you would get a sense

837
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 8: of Danielle with women. You know, it's just another dimension, yea.

838
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 8: And however he responded to that stuff. So but you know,

839
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 8: the four season was fun for me because it was

840
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 8: really a playground. I came back and I just I said,

841
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 8: I'm gonna do what I want this year, you know,

842
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 8: and Bob really helped me do that, and and Michael

843
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 8: allowed me to, so it was well.

844
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: Another thing we've noticed about season four is that we

845
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: finally had some money. The budget seems to have really

846
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: gone up.

847
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: The set the show did.

848
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: No we you probably didn't.

849
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: Had a lot of money, but our department, set deck,

850
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: I mean, the locations, just the yogurt cup alone, it

851
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: was like, I.

852
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: Mean, truly the budget was great. Do you remember that too?

853
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: Do you remember there being like, oh, we've got some

854
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: room to play here.

855
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 8: Always is good to be a hit show because they

856
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 8: start throwing money at you, and you know, I always felt,

857
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 8: you know, most of my episodes, I wouldn't do that.

858
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 8: You know, I wouldn't go to a big swing set

859
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 8: or a big thing. So I really I always really

860
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 8: like to kind of keep it core and maybe once

861
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 8: in a while I bring in somebody bringing the monkeys

862
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 8: or something. Okay, it was sweeps. I want to explain

863
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 8: that to you guys, because you always go, why did

864
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 8: you bring in the Monkeys. So what you do you remember.

865
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 4: Scott about sweep Sweet? How have we not talked about

866
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 4: sweep Sweet?

867
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

868
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 7: We have because we never know exactly which Also, I

869
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 7: don't know did we really understand sweet week or I mean,

870
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 7: I don't.

871
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: All I know is that it's a thing that we

872
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 3: were all stressed.

873
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: About, you getting your ratings high, and you want to

874
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: have the highest ratings possible to get.

875
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 5: Your response why advertisement money?

876
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 3: Hold on? Who agreed what sweet?

877
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 8: Like?

878
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 3: When Sweeps week?

879
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 7: Like, when did that get Was it just like a

880
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 7: cultural like or did the network say we're going to

881
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 7: pick this one weeps?

882
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: Mister Sweeps came down with a cigar and said here

883
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: we go.

884
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 7: But really, like somebody arbitrarily picked a week and told

885
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 7: all the shows, this is the week that we're going

886
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 7: to use for as the barometer for every advertiser coming

887
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 7: forward yep.

888
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 8: And then there was another one towards the end of

889
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 8: the season, Yeah, we're going to get renewed. So there

890
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 8: were all these things going on. So what we we

891
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 8: would do We would sort of stunt cast on those

892
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 8: weeks sometimes, or we do something really like a big

893
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 8: episode or something to watch. So like the Monkeys everybody

894
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 8: left to me on that one, and and it was like,

895
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 8: I said, guys, you don't I've known Mickey forever and

896
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 8: you don't understand what kind of an audience they had

897
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 8: and every reason. But I don't know if you guys

898
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 8: remember that when we had the monkeys on, we had

899
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 8: to turn people away at the door. People there were

900
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 8: so many celebrities that came down because the monkeys hadn't

901
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 8: been together in a room and ten Yeah, in this

902
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 8: big and it's silly on the show kind of you

903
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 8: know and like, but it also was a crossover because

904
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 8: you get the parents watching.

905
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: It was event television. It was an event.

906
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

907
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: I literally felt like a kid again just talking just here,

908
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: just being reminded.

909
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 7: Of sweet little shot of adrenaline throughout your whole body.

910
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 3: Oh, we got we gotta do good this week.

911
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: We gotta put it on.

912
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: I wonder who's going to be there. I wonder who's

913
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: going to be a part with the episode.

914
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: Going to be the Do you remember at the end

915
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: of the year, the stress of the second Sweeps week

916
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: being about here's the week they decide whether or not

917
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: we're good enough for another season.

918
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 5: Are we getting a call from the from the governor

919
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 5: a were going to get a reprieve?

920
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: Or is this it is exactly right, we're going Oh.

921
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 5: Man, I have a question for you, Jeff, because there

922
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 5: seemed there seemed to be in season four a concerted

923
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 5: effort or at least a discussion that happened somewhere to

924
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 5: take the show out of the Matthews living room and

925
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 5: put it into the Hunter's trailer or Vader's trailer. I mean,

926
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 5: it seemed like they were showing more of those family

927
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 5: dynamics than the Matthews family dominat Do you remember this

928
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 5: actually being discussed on any level or did this just

929
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 5: something that happened organically.

930
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 8: Well, I always felt bad for Rusty and Betsy because

931
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 8: they were so damn good. But you know, it became

932
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 8: it became as a began as a family show. So

933
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 8: it was. But you guys were getting older and really

934
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 8: becoming the stars of the show. And every year they

935
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 8: would come and see the new the lay out of

936
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 8: the set, and every year the kitchen would get small,

937
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 8: living room would get smaller, get pushed aside, right, other

938
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 8: things would come. You know, the stories just kind of

939
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 8: generated different things. You guys were going out in the

940
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 8: world a little bit more. You know, we wanted to

941
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 8: that Wilderness Store, which I never totally got, but I

942
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 8: think Michael got into like like, you know, wilderness stuff,

943
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 8: and he goes next year buying a Wilderness store. I

944
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 8: know nothing about it.

945
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 7: That's so funny because Will and I were just talking

946
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 7: last night. We were like, you know, the whe when

947
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 7: the Wilderness Store was introduced, it seemed like such a

948
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 7: big deal, but actually not much has happened there. No, Like,

949
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 7: it was so cool when it started. We all had

950
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 7: we had these memories of it, but then we're like, actually,

951
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 7: I think there's been like four scenes in the entire

952
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 7: scenes never.

953
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 5: Used this gigantic, expensive set we've used like three times.

954
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 8: I never understood it myself, but it was I thought,

955
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 8: you know, it would give rise to to Eric and

956
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 8: Alan's stories because they hadn't had a lot of them,

957
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 8: so yeah, looking together. But we didn't really go to

958
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 8: that a lot, right, So but you know, it was,

959
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 8: uh anyway, that that's okay.

960
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to I have a few little housekeeping things

961
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: regarding some credits that I want to talk about.

962
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: Can you explain the credit situation.

963
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: For why Affair to Forget has as like a teleplay credit.

964
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, that I got teleplay well in the Room. That

965
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 8: was one of the stories that I had pitched. It

966
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 8: actually happened to me. I played poker with these guys

967
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 8: and one of the guys was getting a divorce and

968
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 8: we all hated his wife. We just couldn't we couldn't

969
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 8: get couldn't stand her. So he came one night and

970
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 8: he was like kind of he was drinking a little

971
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 8: and he said, yeah, we're breaking up, and we all

972
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 8: went like, I tell you, but boy, she was miss

973
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 8: you did yeah, next poker game, he comes back and

974
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 8: he seems happy and we go so everything goes, yeah,

975
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 8: we're back together, and he told her she just and

976
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 8: we were all like, you know, it was it was

977
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 8: and ended up not being together, but it was awkward

978
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 8: for well. So anyway, so I pitched that in the

979
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 8: Room and there was a new writer that season, iven O'Hare,

980
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 8: who I only vaguely remember. She wasn't there that long.

981
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 8: So I pitched a bunch of stuff and two of

982
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 8: my stories I think it was ready to be I

983
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 8: don't know when it was in the season, but I

984
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 8: pitched a couple and Michael said, I'm giving that story

985
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 8: to Eileen because she had pitched some stuff they didn't buy. Said,

986
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 8: all right, you know that's how it worked in the room,

987
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 8: you give it. So I said, fine, that's great, and

988
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 8: she went and wrote a draft I think, and then

989
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 8: disappeared and he didn't come back, and it was she

990
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 8: wrote it. She wrote an outline that Michael didn't like,

991
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 8: and then we helped her with it. And then she

992
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 8: went back and I think wrote a draft, or maybe

993
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 8: she just did the I don't remember, but she did.

994
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 8: I think she just couldn't handle it or it was

995
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 8: too much pressure. I don't know what happened to her.

996
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 8: She very nice, I just don't remember what. It was

997
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 8: a little bit like you guys had with like minks,

998
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 8: like people would just disappear and you'd never know what happened.

999
00:44:59,760 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1000
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 8: So anyway, so Michael said, sure and take it back

1001
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 8: and you just write it was your episode anyway. So

1002
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 8: I wrote it. So we went through the arbitration and

1003
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 8: I didn't really fight it a whole lot because I

1004
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 8: didn't know what her situation was, and she had written

1005
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 8: the outline first, you know. Great. Yeah, so I got

1006
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 8: the teleplay, so I wrote the script and it was

1007
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 8: actually my story to start with.

1008
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 5: So it seems like other than Susan Jansen, women didn't

1009
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 5: seem to last very long in the writer's room.

1010
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 8: Well, you know that's true with most writer rooms at

1011
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 8: the time. You know, it was a different one. And

1012
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 8: if you looked at most writer rooms, they were mostly

1013
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 8: male heavy.

1014
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think still the percentage of male

1015
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: comedy writers even now, there's a lot more working male

1016
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: writers than there are women writers. And if you think

1017
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: about being a new writer very similarly to being a

1018
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: guest star, and you think about being a new writer

1019
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: coming into an established writing room where everyone knows each other,

1020
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: everyone knows Michael, everyone one knows the quirks and the politics,

1021
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: and you're one of maybe the only woman. I don't

1022
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: no matter what you're in, I don't. I don't know

1023
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: how warm it's ever gonna feel walking into those situations.

1024
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 8: You know, the best person who ever walked in that

1025
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 8: room of all, Susan was great. I mean, Susan really

1026
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 8: had it down and she did her stuff. But Judy

1027
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 8: Toll Judy was amazing. Yes I missed so great because

1028
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 8: she Bludman will kill me for this, But Bluckman used

1029
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 8: to be so annoyed by her because she would come

1030
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 8: in with shopping bags and she'd start showing the stuff

1031
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 8: that she'd bought.

1032
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 4: And she was doing halls. She was doing shopping halls

1033
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 4: before they were a thing.

1034
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 8: I did to piss mark off she and like, I

1035
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 8: was just so enjoying watching her do that stuff. So

1036
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 8: at the time, it was just kind of fun to

1037
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 8: play with people. But she just didn't care, and she

1038
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 8: was just so funny, and so she.

1039
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: Was funny as hell. Judy Toll, what is a hall?

1040
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 6: A hall?

1041
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: You do them online where influencers or want to be

1042
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: influencers come in with their shopping halls. They've just gone,

1043
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: they've gone shopping, they haven't now a bunch of things

1044
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: and then they unbag them for you and they show

1045
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: you the things that they got. So like you could

1046
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,479
Speaker 1: just pick one store. I'm going to do a Target hall,

1047
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: and here's all the stuff I bought a Target and

1048
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: then you try it on, like look, hocket, this little

1049
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: sweater is all Target.

1050
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 4: And you just show people the things you bought.

1051
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: So she was literally doing it specifically to annoy Bluffman,

1052
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: and now she's my hero.

1053
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 5: It would have worked on me because that sounds like, hell,

1054
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 5: that's Will's hell.

1055
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: I'm not to sit there and watch people try it.

1056
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: All the clothes they bought somewhere.

1057
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 8: And the funny thing was season four, you know, Blubmen

1058
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 8: and bus Gang were having little issues too, so Busgang

1059
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 8: was cracking up too because it just really pissed Mark

1060
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 8: off because he just wanted to get going. So it

1061
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 8: was really fun.

1062
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: Another script I want to ask you about and the

1063
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: shooting experience and all that is singled Out. Yes, oh

1064
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: that singled Out was written by Steve Hibbert and again

1065
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: it's Eric Lands a spot on MTV's dating show singled Out.

1066
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Corey has his tonsils taken out.

1067
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: What do you remember about that episode and shooting that

1068
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: and all that, well, you.

1069
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 8: Know, singled out, not that you know Jenny McCarthy and

1070
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 8: that was the kind of the They were talking about

1071
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 8: a show and I was, you know, talking to me

1072
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 8: and stuff anyway, but they we went down there and

1073
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 8: Jenny wouldn't be on the show. Why Chris Hardwick his name, Yeah,

1074
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 8: Chris wanted to do it, and I actually I pitched Chris.

1075
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 8: I said, you should be on television, man, you should

1076
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 8: be like doing like a sitcom. You have that kind

1077
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 8: of vibe to him. Yeah, but so I think that

1078
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 8: was one of Ben's final weeks. And so Ben thought

1079
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 8: certain episodes Ben had finals, and they were very serious

1080
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 8: about him, and he's very serious about his school, as

1081
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 8: you know, and so we would give him a lighter

1082
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 8: episode that he could shoot just kind of on you know,

1083
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 8: on his own time. And then we went down to

1084
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 8: the singled out location.

1085
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: You don't remember this at all, Oh boy, I.

1086
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 8: Remember it was whid I kind of kind of it was.

1087
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 8: It was pretty wild. I mean, Jenny was there. I

1088
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 8: remember she touched my knee. I was like, very excited

1089
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 8: about that.

1090
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't she do Boy Meets World?

1091
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 8: I don't know. I think she.

1092
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 2: Used it, she believe it.

1093
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 8: It was it was probably too young for her. She

1094
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 8: was trying to get her own sitcom. She was trying

1095
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 8: to branch out right. So it was like but but

1096
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 8: Chris was all into it. Chris loved it so and

1097
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 8: he was fun. I don't remember much more about it

1098
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 8: than that. Honestly, I was there.

1099
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 4: You know, Jenny McCarthy touched your knee.

1100
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: You were definitely there, and that's where these touched my knee.

1101
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 8: That's about.

1102
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 7: There was Jenny McCarthy there when you guys were actually

1103
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 7: filming the scenes and she was.

1104
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 8: Shooting their show and we went in. They had didn't

1105
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 8: they have an audience? I don't.

1106
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we used no hear the audience.

1107
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: There was no audience. They're they're background actors like they

1108
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: were cast.

1109
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it was kind of there while they were shooting,

1110
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 8: so we kind of came in for a little while

1111
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 8: while I think is what happened?

1112
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: Wow, that sounds wresting.

1113
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 8: It was fun too. That was just a madhouse. But

1114
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 8: you know, the magic of season four. I have to

1115
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 8: say one thing is Jeff McCracken. Oh yeah, you know,

1116
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 8: I could throw anything out. If you look at my

1117
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 8: five episodes, it kind of filled the spectrum of the

1118
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 8: type of Boymise World shows who did all through the

1119
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 8: show throw anything at Jeff McCracken. And if it was

1120
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 8: the broad calm, it was an affair to forget and

1121
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 8: you know, the bromance stuff, or if it was you know,

1122
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 8: dangerous secret with the sensitive stuff and the dramatic scenes.

1123
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 8: That guy is such a great direct I mean wonderful.

1124
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 8: I love his stuff. But man, that guy, I hope

1125
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 8: he still directs. I don't even know, but you know,

1126
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 8: he and I were the two that went over to

1127
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 8: do you wish from the show, and and Susan came

1128
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 8: to actually and we all regretted that, but uh, that's.

1129
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: But no, Jeff was definitely one of the people who

1130
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: made that secret sauce for season four.

1131
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 5: We were so comfortable with him and he made everything

1132
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 5: so easy that whatever material came down, we knew we

1133
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 5: were okay.

1134
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: It's like you got him there. So it was Yeah,

1135
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 2: it made a huge difference. You could tell, just as actors.

1136
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 5: And it was writer who really pointed out, especially for

1137
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 5: me at the beginning, where it was the whole first season,

1138
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 5: I just wasn't comfortable as an actor, and I was

1139
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 5: starting to feel a little more second season, and then

1140
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 5: there'd be a third or even a second or third

1141
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 5: season episode that all of a sudden, I'd be uncomfortable again.

1142
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: And writer was like, well, look who directed it, and

1143
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: it just wasn't Jeff mccracket. So you could tell. I mean,

1144
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: it really makes a huge difference.

1145
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, he really got it and just good all around,

1146
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 8: good with your You know, you felt a writer handing

1147
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 8: the script to Jeff mcca you felt you were in

1148
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 8: good hands, so yeah, yeah, always, and the runthroughs were

1149
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 8: good from the beginning, so you know everything.

1150
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: Something else that's coming up for us in season four

1151
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: that we haven't gotten to yet is that mister Turner

1152
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: is leaving. Do you have any insight for us about

1153
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: why Tony was going to be gone?

1154
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 8: You know what I think happened, guys, is as the

1155
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 8: show went, it really evolved, you know, and the audience

1156
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 8: evolved with you. If you think about it, the kids

1157
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 8: that were watching were the same age as you at

1158
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 8: the time when it first came. We were a little

1159
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 8: older maybe or a little younger watching to see what

1160
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 8: was going to happen to them. But everything evolved, and

1161
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 8: so what happens is you start getting out of maybe

1162
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 8: a classroom, and you start getting out of you know,

1163
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 8: those kind of stories. And really, you know, I do

1164
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 8: think there was a push because Friends was so big

1165
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 8: and you guys were becoming like young friends that if

1166
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 8: you look at the new song they put the next

1167
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 8: year that was supposed that was Friends. I mean everything

1168
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 8: about that I was gone at that point, but but

1169
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 8: you know, they were trying to do that. So having

1170
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 8: a teacher there made you, guys, look, you know, mister

1171
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 8: was he was in the in the mix because he

1172
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 8: was the neighbor and he could be there, and that

1173
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 8: Tony was kind of there for you being in the classroom,

1174
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 8: and then why would you you know?

1175
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, and I mean I guess we should

1176
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: have probably thought about that too, in the sense that

1177
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: we've mentioned and well even mentioned in this podcast. He

1178
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: asked you, it was very obvious we were getting out

1179
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: of our normal sets. They were clearly world building. Boy

1180
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: Meet's world was like, we need to see them meet

1181
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: more world. We've seen the Matthew's house, We've seen the school.

1182
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: Let's see other people's houses. Let's see.

1183
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 4: So you're right that it.

1184
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: Does only make sense that as the kids, as we

1185
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: were all aging up, you had more opportunities to put

1186
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: us in situations where it wasn't the same old sets

1187
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: where we felt like kids.

1188
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 4: And I don't think I thought about that until you

1189
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 4: just said it.

1190
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, it just it was aging up, and you know,

1191
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 8: and you guys, you guys were also every time you

1192
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 8: come back from hiatus, you were like ten years older,

1193
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 8: it seemed, you know.

1194
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: So I know, so it was good to us, it.

1195
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: Was just smoking For me, it was just aging me. Exponentially.

1196
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: Will was actually aging every five years, it was, but.

1197
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 8: It was, you know, it was I felt that the

1198
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 8: season was the best of the four that I was on,

1199
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 8: not just because I'd written a lot of them, but

1200
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 8: I just felt there was a vibe in that room

1201
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 8: that just really a lot of it was Bob yond,

1202
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 8: a lot of it was that there's just a certain

1203
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 8: chemistry to each room, every year different and and I

1204
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 8: just felt like, I don't care what anybody else thinks.

1205
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 8: I'm just gonna write the ones I want now. So

1206
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 8: that was those were the five that year.

1207
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 5: Really, Now, do you a terrible question, because time is

1208
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 5: what time is, But looking back, would you have stayed?

1209
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 8: I don't think I could have because there was a

1210
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 8: dynamic there in the room that I just couldn't I

1211
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 8: couldn't handle anymore. And I knew it it was going

1212
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 8: to be me or it was going to be blood

1213
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 8: in the bus game and and and again, we're all

1214
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 8: really good friends, it was, and it was just at

1215
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 8: that point, you know, there were a lot of things.

1216
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 8: They were having issues with each other and it would

1217
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 8: come out on me sometimes and it's just not when

1218
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 8: it's not fun anymore. I mean, I'm surprised with me

1219
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 8: when I went through the first season with all the

1220
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 8: all the constantly having a guillotine over my neck, that

1221
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 8: I was able to be as funny as I was.

1222
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 8: But this season I felt like I had I kind

1223
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 8: of had my I was.

1224
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 4: I was I hadn't you edgainst the wall?

1225
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I was just I was fine, you know,

1226
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 8: I didn't. I didn't worry about it. And and then

1227
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 8: I really, you know, I was upset because I had

1228
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 8: started working with some of the writers on you know

1229
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 8: what we were going to do the next year, and

1230
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 8: then and then blubbing the bus game came back and

1231
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 8: I went, I got get out. It won't be good

1232
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 8: if they're on top of me. Don't I have to

1233
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 8: prove my stories to them? I don't. I didn't think

1234
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 8: I could do the time. So we were even friendly

1235
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 8: in the room, but I just felt dynamically it just

1236
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 8: wasn't sure. We're all the sort of the same place,

1237
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 8: so we had to It was them.

1238
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 5: But you said a lot of the stuff that you

1239
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 5: pitched for that then made it into seasons five, six

1240
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 5: and seven, right, I mean stuff that you would help

1241
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 5: to lay the groundwork for.

1242
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 8: You know, I thought of Penbrook.

1243
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 4: You know, oh that was the name.

1244
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just in the college I had. I was

1245
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 8: actually the one. I was friendly with Bonnie and Bill,

1246
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 8: Bill Daniels and Bonnie Bartlett because I'd gone up to

1247
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 8: their house like Will did and and uh so I

1248
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 8: had hung with them and we talked about getting Eric

1249
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 8: into college, and I wanted to have a scene with

1250
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 8: the dean, and I said, wouldn't it be great if

1251
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 8: Bonnie played the dean and that they Yeah, so we

1252
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 8: had that line where Bill comes up at the end

1253
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 8: and he goes, you know that Dean Bolander. You know

1254
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 8: she's been after me for you know. It was a

1255
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 8: little fun kind of joke. But I went to her

1256
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 8: and said, would you consider doing that? Just I don't know,

1257
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 8: I'd have to ask Bill if he wants me on

1258
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 8: the show. And then Bill they she came on and

1259
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 8: did it. Michael so cool, But it just it just

1260
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 8: seemed kind of like a fun thing to do. But

1261
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 8: I kind of I felt like, you know, uh, you know,

1262
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 8: mister Feenie's last line on that last episode. I watched

1263
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 8: the last today, I cried, we.

1264
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: Haven't seen it, don't spoiler alert, don't tell us we

1265
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: will We'll we'll we'll see it soon. I want to

1266
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: give you an opportunity to tell us all about one

1267
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: of your newest ventures. You are joining us in the

1268
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: podcast space. Why don't you talk to us about your podcast.

1269
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 8: It's the seventh sign of the apocalypse, because I'm I

1270
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 8: said that that was the be the first sign. But yeah,

1271
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 8: I you know, listening to your podcast, you know, I

1272
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 8: really I listened to yours. I listened to Phil Rosenthal's

1273
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 8: and David Wilds. I listened to a few, but I

1274
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 8: love yours. And what I've really loved is you know,

1275
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 8: the the Harley Hero do my Harley shirt again?

1276
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: Yes, the Harley Reveal.

1277
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 6: Yes.

1278
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 8: But I loved when you guys started talking really deeply

1279
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 8: with people, you know, not just the recaps, which are

1280
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 8: nice and it's interesting for me and I love sometimes

1281
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 8: it's a little painful, but I loved when you guys

1282
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 8: would get with like with Danny and Ethan and you know,

1283
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 8: Blake and both Blake's and and I started thinking, like,

1284
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 8: you know, I know a lot of people. I've been

1285
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 8: in the business for since I got out of UCLA

1286
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 8: Film School, so I've known a lot of people. I've

1287
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 8: worked with a lot of people and I know them

1288
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 8: on person, you guys, and so I thought that's interesting.

1289
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 8: But I don't know, I don't I don't think I

1290
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 8: really want to be on air. I was. I was

1291
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 8: this squishy bear in the trash compactor. That's me in

1292
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 8: an area, So I went. I was a judge at

1293
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 8: the Poppy Jasper Film Festival up north, it's near Silicon

1294
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 8: Valley last year, and I was on a panel with

1295
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 8: this amazing woman that came from Lucasfilm in Paramount. She

1296
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 8: was head of international marketing for George Lucas and I

1297
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 8: had to follow her on a panel and go, oh my,

1298
00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 8: she's so brilliant.

1299
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 3: Well let's talk about the Monkeys Star Wars. Sure, but

1300
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 3: monkeys so hey.

1301
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 8: So so her name is Norma Garcia. And Norman and

1302
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 8: I started talking and we just we both were like

1303
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 8: kind of kindred spirits about film and we're both we

1304
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 8: both mentored a lot, and we're philanthropic. I've been doing

1305
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 8: a lot of philanthropic work with two of the officers

1306
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 8: that testified before Congress that defended the Capitol on January sixth.

1307
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 8: So I've been doing a lot of that stuff all

1308
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 8: my life. I do a lot of stuff and she

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Speaker 8: does too. She's a mentor through a program and and

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Speaker 8: so she was working at a company and she did

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Speaker 8: some business in Barcelona. And there's this guy who runs

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Speaker 8: the biggest cinema room they call it the movie room.

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Speaker 2: You know, home theater system theater systems.

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Speaker 8: He builds them all through Europe for like billionaires and

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Speaker 8: things like that, and his name is rich Red and

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Speaker 8: they and he comes from the technical side and all

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Speaker 8: that stuff. But he said to her, I want to

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Speaker 8: do a podcast. She said, I'll do it if this

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Speaker 8: other guy, I'll do it with us. And she called

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Speaker 8: me so I didn't want to do it, and she said, look,

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Speaker 8: we all want to do it, and it'll have a

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Speaker 8: filanthropic aspect to it, a mentoring thing. It's a chance

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Speaker 8: for you to mentor on a broad scale. And I went,

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Speaker 8: that's great. So what we've done is we kind of

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Speaker 8: taken your model in a way with board, but in

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Speaker 8: talking to people, and it's more. It goes deeper than

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Speaker 8: just your as you know, you guys have all been

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Speaker 8: on now and we've had we've done twenty two of

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Speaker 8: them so far.

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Speaker 9: Wow.

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Speaker 8: Great, there ready, Mickey Dolans, Nancy Allen, Terry Nunn. I

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Speaker 8: worked on a movie called Up the Creek years ago.

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Speaker 8: It was a big college movie when everybody was drunk

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Speaker 8: at a college watching animal House. They put my movie

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Speaker 8: on afterwards, so became kind of a weird poke classic

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Speaker 8: that nobody really remembers because they were really drunk at

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Speaker 8: the time. I reassembled a lot of the living cast

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Speaker 8: and we did a forty year reunion and we interviewed

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Speaker 8: three of the officers that testified before Congress, the one

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Speaker 8: the January sixth committee. So but our way in is

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Speaker 8: talking through you guys know you're on. But we talked

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Speaker 8: about film and different things, but then you get into

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Speaker 8: your passions and how you give back. What we do

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Speaker 8: at the end of our podcast is we ask, and

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Speaker 8: you guys all know this, We ask if there's a person,

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Speaker 8: cause or charity that you you know, support and you'd

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Speaker 8: like to talk about. You all beautifully did it. And

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Speaker 8: then what we do is we put it up on

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Speaker 8: our website so people can go, oh, here's Wilford ELL's charity,

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Speaker 8: here's writers or Danielle's and they can find out about

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Speaker 8: it or participate or donate.

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Speaker 3: And then Disney Plus cuts it out.

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01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 4: So yeah, you to find the PSN.

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Speaker 8: So we're doing a lot of stuff, you know. The

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Speaker 8: the idea is I always wanted to My dream always

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Speaker 8: to be was to be Walt Disney. That was, you know,

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Speaker 8: because I'd met him when I was a little kid.

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Speaker 8: But I never really wanted to be that corporate and big.

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Speaker 8: But this is sort of my way because these are

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Speaker 8: the projects that are uplifting. Spiraling upward is my kind

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Speaker 8: of my mantra. And so it's things that will lift

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Speaker 8: you and teach you and bring people together. So that's

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Speaker 8: that company. And then I have another company which is

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Speaker 8: called Sherman Brothers and Sons. And I started that with

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Speaker 8: my cousin Greg, who we did that documentary for Disney

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Speaker 8: called The Boys. The Sherman Brothers Story heres. It's fifteen

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Speaker 8: years now and you guys came to that to the premiere,

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Speaker 8: but I have pictures. But with Sherman Brothers and Sons,

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Speaker 8: basically what we're doing is Greg and I teamed up

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Speaker 8: with Mitchell Leeb, who used to be the head of

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Speaker 8: Disney Music. He was there for thirty years and he

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Speaker 8: retired and we got together and talked and he said,

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Speaker 8: you know, your dad and uncle wrote a thousand published songs,

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Speaker 8: they did fifteen plus movies. All that stuff's gathering dust.

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Speaker 8: Let's do something with it. So we're doing a bunch

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Speaker 8: of stuff, and of course it's really exciting. I can't

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Speaker 8: obviously talk about any of it right now.

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Speaker 4: This is great to bring up.

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Speaker 8: Then we have several talk we're in talks with Disney

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Speaker 8: about several real you'll hear about them. They're really cool,

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Speaker 8: but I'm not allowed to talk about.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, then don't talk about it.

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01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: We've got awesome stuff that we can't talk.

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01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 4: About, so many awesome things.

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Speaker 2: I can't even tell you how awesome I am. Literally

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean, but you're going to

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Speaker 4: know about it eventually.

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Speaker 8: Well, I love all you guys. Great.

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Speaker 1: Jeff, we love you so much, and you have been

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Speaker 1: when we talk about what what was the ingredients that

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01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: go into the secret sauce? That A season four? Your

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01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: scripts and you are definitely one of them. And we

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Speaker 1: thank you as always for spending your time with us today,

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01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 1: answering our questions, phil giving us some so insightful. Really

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01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: great to have you so we we appreciate you so much.

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01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: We love you. You're welcome back. Anytime, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Thank you. Bring have several of the writers come on

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01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 8: at once. That'd be funny.

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01:03:54,360 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah right, God, imagine imagine a zoom with nine of us.

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01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 3: We already talk over each other too much. I can't imagine, Like.

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01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 4: I don't want to be the only woman on that zoom.

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01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 3: You just start doing a hall you just you just

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01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 3: come in. Have you seen this that?

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01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 4: I just look at this. It's skincare. Thanks je.

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Speaker 6: By.

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Speaker 1: Always so fun to talk to him. I love his insights.

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01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe we never really thought about the idea

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Speaker 1: that for Turner leaving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes total sense now you know it does.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 7: What's funny is that I remembered, and we talked about this.

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01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 7: I remembered he was brought on to add a friends

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Speaker 7: like component. But then as we aged up, yeah, we

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Speaker 7: became because and it is true, like what we're doing

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Speaker 7: all these dating episodes for instance, So how is Turner

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Speaker 7: going to be involved in like our dating life without

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Speaker 7: it being creepy or weird or like cross seeing the

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Speaker 7: signals between teaching and it's like right, in a weird way,

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Speaker 7: we got too close to the.

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Speaker 3: Twenty somethings exactly, you know, which he was. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So when you think about it too, though, it makes

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Speaker 5: perfect sense with the natural progression of how you grow

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Speaker 5: as a person because it is all about school and

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Speaker 5: everything that happens in your school life when you're a

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Speaker 5: middle twelve, and when it starts to get older, it's

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Speaker 5: more about what happens outside of school.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So in that sense, they really were keeping it kind

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Speaker 5: of real, and it is true every time we essentially

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Speaker 5: are cutting to the classroom, which is rare, we're seeing Tony,

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Speaker 5: we're just not cutting to the classroom anymore.

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Speaker 3: And it's also like it's it's there for a very

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Speaker 3: cool component of like introducing a literary device or a

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Speaker 3: reference point, but to see a whole scene play out

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Speaker 3: like at the school, it's difficult, you know, and even

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Speaker 3: think about janitor Dad. It's like bringing in a family

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Speaker 3: dynamic to the school to sort of show how crazy

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Speaker 3: you know it's really. Yeah, it's like the center narratively,

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Speaker 3: the center of the show is changing, right. The center show.

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Speaker 7: Was the living room in the classroom, and now it

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Speaker 7: has to move around a little bit.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.

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Speaker 5: It used to be almost like what happened in the

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Speaker 5: family set up what they were going to learn in school,

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Speaker 5: and then it became what happened in school is setting

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Speaker 5: up what's going to happen in their life.

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Speaker 2: Wow, well so that's kind of interesting.

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Speaker 5: How but yeah, until your I said, felt the same way, Danielle,

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Speaker 5: until he said it like that, it's like, well, of course,

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Speaker 5: I don't know why none of us one.

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Speaker 4: Of us thought of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really really great. And also sweeps.

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Speaker 3: How sweep.

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Speaker 7: Because it's such a weird thing and it's outdated now

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Speaker 7: you would never Yeah, but man, do.

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Speaker 4: We have podcast sweeps Week?

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Speaker 2: Is there such a thing?

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Speaker 6: I don't know what's like?

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Speaker 1: One, let's do this, guys, let's listen if we can

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01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: just arbitrarily decide we just a show.

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Speaker 3: With party hats and noisemakers and the.

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Speaker 1: Week challenge all of the other podcasts do better everything

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Speaker 1: your best week? Who can get the most downloads, who

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Speaker 1: can get the biggest guests?

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's a great idea. It should start in the

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Speaker 2: eleventh well, of course, because.

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Speaker 5: We are we can use the eleventh to start Sweeps special.

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Speaker 1: Thank you again to Jeff Sherman for coming on. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to remind you all the website where you can

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Speaker 1: check out information about his podcast and all other things

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Speaker 1: Nurjmediagroup dot com. Thank you all for joining us for

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