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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of The Break live from Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: It is a Wednesday CRISP morning, July thirty first, and
Speaker 1: we got a lot to talk about today. As we
Speaker 1: usually do, will start off with a little blanket coverage
Speaker 1: to get into some injuries, um and maybe a defection,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see what's happening with Chris Westry
Speaker 1: and then talk a little bit about the defensive line.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go a little in depth on the defensive
Speaker 1: line today, talk about the defensive tackles and the defensive
Speaker 1: ends on this team. How's everybody feeling this morning? Great? Awesome?
Speaker 1: Grand Let's jump right in. It is an off day
Speaker 1: for the team, so they will not be practicing today,
Speaker 1: not for us, never an off day for us, and
Speaker 1: so we will so they will, they will resume practices
Speaker 1: tomorrow normal time, but today they get a little bit
Speaker 1: of rest time heading into the weekend when, by the way,
Speaker 1: on Sunday, there will be a scrimmage Blue White scrimmage,
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Speaker 1: will actually stream it live across all of our platforms,
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Speaker 1: be airing on CBS eleven as well, so make sure
Speaker 1: you check that out. Let's get started with a little
Speaker 1: bit of blanket coverage here first, as we do every day,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you guys a statement that will be
Speaker 1: a blank you feel in the blank. Let's start with
Speaker 1: the first statement. Sean Lee misspracticed for the second day
Speaker 1: due to a knee injury. My concern level is blank.
Speaker 1: I liked that left day. It's Sean Lee, you know,
Speaker 1: it just is what it is. I'm not concerned for
Speaker 1: two reasons. One because it's it's it seems like it's minor,
Speaker 1: and two because Sean Lee doesn't mean to this defensive
Speaker 1: success what he did even two years ago. So maybe
Speaker 1: I Sean Lee one of the best Cowboys players in
Speaker 1: recent memory. I think the world of him as a guy.
Speaker 1: But you know, would we be freaking out if Damien
Speaker 1: Wilson and tweaked his knee? You know, I mean so
Speaker 1: probably not. So that's kind of how I feel. I mean,
Speaker 1: you would think. I mean personally, I think I would
Speaker 1: be used to this by now, but I'm not. It
Speaker 1: still hurts me because I thought, Okay, he he was
Speaker 1: looking good. He's put on some muscle weight on him,
Speaker 1: you know, and his new role. I was expecting this
Speaker 1: to actually help him kind of maintain his health. And
Speaker 1: what they've been doing here isn't too much. I don't
Speaker 1: think we're not at that level where we had like
Speaker 1: a full week of padded practice yet. So it's still
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit of disappointment. It's not surprising,
Speaker 1: but you know, I love the guy and I want
Speaker 1: to see him on the field. Nick not concerned, well
Speaker 1: at all. They've said it best. He doesn't. He doesn't
Speaker 1: mean as much to the defense. And you know, if
Speaker 1: you say, if you say you had a hangnail out here,
Speaker 1: the trainers will hold you out, you know, And it's
Speaker 1: nothing against them. It's this is the time of year
Speaker 1: to make sure that you're you're not, you know, getting
Speaker 1: hurt anything in a major way. So where Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: everything is precautionary, So I don't think it's that big
Speaker 1: a deal, all right. Statement number two, the most row
Speaker 1: some injury on this team is blank Nick, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say Travis Frederick. Even though he's not he's been cleared,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna still think that is probably the one. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a reason why he's not just going right in
Speaker 1: and doing all the you know, one on ones and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I don't know if you want
Speaker 1: to call it an injury or not, but they're definitely
Speaker 1: being cautious with it, and I think that that he
Speaker 1: matters a lot to this team. Now. I do think
Speaker 1: Joe Looney did a nice job and we'll do a
Speaker 1: nice job as a backup, but I think Frederick takes
Speaker 1: it to another level. So I'm not worried about any
Speaker 1: of the other injuries so much. That one's the one.
Speaker 1: I think it's worth pointing out too. It's so easy
Speaker 1: to forget because you know, he came back from gian
Speaker 1: bare and it's this it's a great story, but he
Speaker 1: also had shoulder surgery and he actually said that's why
Speaker 1: he hasn't been involved in the one on ones. It's
Speaker 1: not so much because of the GBS, but you know,
Speaker 1: they're being cautious with a veteran who had shoulder surgery
Speaker 1: in the offseason, so I mean that's something to watch too.
Speaker 1: So that's the injury. So, Dave, most were some injury
Speaker 1: for you. Are we we're calling Byron and DeMarcus injured. Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not practicing, yeah, because they're not back from their injuries,
Speaker 1: and they're not back from their surgeries. They're not back
Speaker 1: from whatever ailed themself. I think of injuries as things
Speaker 1: that have happened since we got here. I'm saying, everybody
Speaker 1: that's out right now, if you want me to rephrase,
Speaker 1: okayout Byron Byron Jones, because like I just I you know,
Speaker 1: Tank tanks Tank. He's had shoulder injuries for like half
Speaker 1: of his career anyway, and he plays through it and
Speaker 1: he's great. And also I just feel like I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he should like wrap that dude in bubble rap,
Speaker 1: but like if they needed him out there in a week,
Speaker 1: I bet he could do it. That's just kind of
Speaker 1: how I feel. Whereas Byron, I know he was skateboarding around.
Speaker 1: He looks like he's pretty good, but it's a hip
Speaker 1: and he's a corner and that's everything to a cornerback.
Speaker 1: So I just I want to I want him to
Speaker 1: get some work out here. I hope that he does. So. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I actually talk to him a little bit about that,
Speaker 1: and he said that he eats specs to get some
Speaker 1: work in Oxnard. Awesome. And I actually was watching him
Speaker 1: doing some drills and I just thought, Okay, this is July.
Speaker 1: We care about him playing in September, not even in August. Yet.
Speaker 1: I got a whole full month. I'm not panicking. I'm
Speaker 1: not worried he'll come back. Yeah, I would have said Travis,
Speaker 1: but right now Joe Looney looks like a badass, so
Speaker 1: I'm not that concerned. But I would go with the
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence, I you know right now, Yes you don't
Speaker 1: have Randy Gregory, Robert Quinn. It was a guy that
Speaker 1: I think we all had high expect It's still early,
Speaker 1: but we had, at least me having expectations of when
Speaker 1: he first came out here and kind of show a
Speaker 1: little more than what he's shown so far. Yes, he
Speaker 1: went against Tyren Smith that's Tyron, but Ken Fleming, M
Speaker 1: I mean it's still he put up a battle there,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't that impressive and tackle. We talked about him.
Speaker 1: He walked out yesterday with an injury. Actually, what was it?
Speaker 1: His back? Maybe heard taco he did, he did something
Speaker 1: small to his back. But he came out for a
Speaker 1: walk through last night. So like the position position wise
Speaker 1: right now, UM, not that excited from what I've seen
Speaker 1: so far. So I think DeMarcus Lawrence. I'm ready to
Speaker 1: see him out there and see the combination of him
Speaker 1: and Robert Quinn and see how that does. Person most
Speaker 1: likely to be absent week one is amber most likely
Speaker 1: to be out of all those guys that we've been
Speaker 1: talking about that are injured right now, the guy that
Speaker 1: you would say is most likely to be absent come
Speaker 1: week one, Uh, he is injured and he will be suspended.
Speaker 1: And there's another guy that's looking at We don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with Tyron Crawford, right, I mean
Speaker 1: that is true, That is true. Um, shoot, I don't
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the injured guys. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe you didn't say injured guys. I just said of
Speaker 1: the guys on this team most likely to everybody Week one,
Speaker 1: get back to me, all right, Dave ze Zeke, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that he's He's the guy that's most likely
Speaker 1: because if he wants to make it, like you know what,
Speaker 1: we've been told by people that are that know the situation,
Speaker 1: they'll say, he doesn't have any leverage, has no leverage. Well,
Speaker 1: and they're right right now, But don't play in that
Speaker 1: game and get beat by the Giants who you shouldn't
Speaker 1: lose to at home too, and then we'll see what
Speaker 1: kind of leverage it is. I still don't think he
Speaker 1: has leverage at that point. Okay, well, because Berry just
Speaker 1: said this is this is kind of an all end season.
Speaker 1: So if I get lose games, but how long is
Speaker 1: he going to see because that's the point I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like that's the problem with with the scenario is this
Speaker 1: is not a situation where him sitting out games actually
Speaker 1: helps him because sitting out games, the Cowboys will own
Speaker 1: his rights for three seasons. He's not He's not gonna
Speaker 1: sit for three years. I disagree, though, how do you
Speaker 1: just because it's about playing, it's about winning the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and trying to get to that goal. And what
Speaker 1: is that? How's that factor into him them owning his
Speaker 1: rights for three years, because it's not about three years
Speaker 1: that they're not coming out here, and it's talking about
Speaker 1: three years this year. No, But the point, the point
Speaker 1: is if they have his rights for three years, him
Speaker 1: sitting in missing games is only hurting him. It's not
Speaker 1: hurting it's not hurting anybody but him. Jerry. He thinks
Speaker 1: this is the best football team he's got and so
Speaker 1: if he's got a running back that's sitting there and
Speaker 1: kind of holding this team hostage, then let's let's come
Speaker 1: together like they're here. They're here, let's come together. But
Speaker 1: that's the point. I don't think that a guy who
Speaker 1: knows he can't play football but for this team for
Speaker 1: three years is gonna miss games. That's the point. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have the leverage to be able to sit because
Speaker 1: in the situation with Levon Bell, he knew that he
Speaker 1: could force their hand at some point because sitting out
Speaker 1: this year, he knew he was going to be a
Speaker 1: free agent after that. So him sitting for a year
Speaker 1: makes a lot of or makes some sense because at
Speaker 1: least he knows, no matter what, I will be a
Speaker 1: free agent after this year. Ze can't say that for
Speaker 1: three years. I just it's it's totally determined on his
Speaker 1: how much is he willing to let the world burn, Like,
Speaker 1: if he's even even at his own costs, Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If he's absolutely like, f you pay me and he
Speaker 1: wants to sit until Halloween, he can hurt the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and make them real antsy to get a deal done.
Speaker 1: But you're right. In the long term, it only he
Speaker 1: never gets that money back. He hurts his future earning value.
Speaker 1: He can't go anywhere for three years, That's why. But
Speaker 1: that's why I think the August sixth deadline means nothing
Speaker 1: to him, because he's like they they're not. I can't
Speaker 1: go anywhere anyway, So who cares if I don't accrue
Speaker 1: a year or toward free agency? So he can. He
Speaker 1: definitely he has some leverage if he's really willing to
Speaker 1: go all out, but that would mean missing anywhere between
Speaker 1: one and maybe as many as like six or seven
Speaker 1: game checks. And I don't know if he's willing to
Speaker 1: take that step. And although we all agreed this is
Speaker 1: a much better team with him on it, it could
Speaker 1: backfire on him if they should happen to win those
Speaker 1: first few games while he's out that then kills whatever,
Speaker 1: and the first three weeks of the season are set up.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna go, if you're gonna if you're gonna
Speaker 1: try to win without Zeke, you've got a great start
Speaker 1: in front of you. Yeah, and that's what what happened
Speaker 1: with with Pittsburgh. Then. Now they didn't make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but they got kind of hot early in the year.
Speaker 1: Was James Connor, Yeah, he was playing really well and
Speaker 1: so he was like now towards the end, I think
Speaker 1: he got then they definitely missed him, but it was
Speaker 1: too late to do anything because Lebon had already made
Speaker 1: his point at that point. But so I I, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's risky, but if if you lose, you know, if
Speaker 1: they're one and two and they've lost the game and
Speaker 1: Alfred Morris is rushing for forty eight yards on twelve
Speaker 1: carries and all that stuff, like, yeah, he could he
Speaker 1: has some leverage, but only if he fully commits to this.
Speaker 1: I think, I think, honestly, this is the best leverage
Speaker 1: he's going to have, right, I don't think, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I call it great leverage, but
Speaker 1: it's the best he's gonna possibly have. He has them
Speaker 1: in a position right now where this is probably the
Speaker 1: best he's gonna This is as good as if he's
Speaker 1: willing to commit to it. Yeah. Yeah. And also like
Speaker 1: it's it's who you talk to, Like if you talk
Speaker 1: to guys that are kind of dealing with the salary
Speaker 1: cap or maybe even Stephen Jones, who's looking big picture.
Speaker 1: If you're talking to like Jerry Jones, or how about Jason,
Speaker 1: Jason is the one that's looking just like like get him,
Speaker 1: give him to me now I met him now, So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's he's got some but he's gonna have to really
Speaker 1: commit to it. Yeah, to answer your you didn't ask
Speaker 1: me yet, But I'm not. I spent a lot of
Speaker 1: the summer wringing my hands about Byron and DeMarcus, But
Speaker 1: now that I've seen him with my own eyes and
Speaker 1: kind of got a firmer grasp on where they're at, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not that worried about any of the guys right now.
Speaker 1: You know, long way to go knock on wood, but
Speaker 1: you know something's gonna happen to somebody. So but none
Speaker 1: of the none of the real concerns right now. I
Speaker 1: think will not be there week one, So the big
Speaker 1: injury hasn't happened yet, that's what he's saying. I said,
Speaker 1: knock on wood. Yeah, but yeah, it happens. That stuff
Speaker 1: happens at training camp. You just hope that they're any
Speaker 1: major injuries, Like you're gonna get an injury. Somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: get hurt. Pretty though, there won't be anyone like carded
Speaker 1: off the field today. Oh I'm glad. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: about to say, no one will get hurt today, but man,
Speaker 1: they're weird. Stuff happens all the time. I would say hurt,
Speaker 1: just carted off the field. That's a good way to
Speaker 1: put it. All right, let's move on. I did want
Speaker 1: to real quickly just get an update on Chris west
Speaker 1: Chris westree a little farther down the depth chart, but
Speaker 1: reports yesterday with any misspractice due to a personal issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it didn't sound like it didn't sound like he's around.
Speaker 1: But what are you guys hearing about him and where
Speaker 1: he is right now, and and if that really even
Speaker 1: makes a huge difference for this team based upon what
Speaker 1: they got at the cornerback position. I've been burned before
Speaker 1: by saying what I think I know, and then Dave
Speaker 1: comes in and says, well, actually, I don't have anything
Speaker 1: for you, so fire. You know. The last thing that
Speaker 1: we've kind of heard is and what the Cowboys were saying,
Speaker 1: it's a personal issues. He's dealing with some some he's
Speaker 1: left the team right now for some personal reasons, um,
Speaker 1: and they expect him back, and Stephen Jones said they
Speaker 1: expect him back, and Jason Garrett expect him back as well.
Speaker 1: The one thing to that is people that have seen
Speaker 1: him leave for personal reasons had all his bags packed.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know what if he's
Speaker 1: a heavy packer or not. I don't know what's going on,
Speaker 1: but they've got all his back packs. And by the way,
Speaker 1: this would not be the first time we've ever seen
Speaker 1: a player that, for personal reasons packed their bags and
Speaker 1: left and then a few days later came back. It
Speaker 1: played eight years, yeah exactly, so it happened. It happened, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it happened. Sol Beasley was dealing with stuff, and after
Speaker 1: all those times, and we've done all these feature stories,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that ever came out exactly why
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley left there was some personal stuff. He went home.
Speaker 1: He never he never really said why, but but he was.
Speaker 1: He was doing really well, and so everyone was surprised
Speaker 1: and he came back and he obviously had the career
Speaker 1: that he had. Um Westy did not have such a
Speaker 1: great first practice. Yeah, and you know was this is
Speaker 1: gonna be one out of twenty though. Man. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I don't know why he's leaving, but that's you know,
Speaker 1: it's to know if it's that or not. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see if he comes back. There's been
Speaker 1: a few over the years that you know, I remember here,
Speaker 1: like fifteen years ago was a guy named Andrew Davison's
Speaker 1: pretty good cornerback from the Jets. They Bill liked him,
Speaker 1: Parcels liked him, and quit like third third day. So
Speaker 1: it happens so well. But I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: what's going on. We just know that it's personal reasons
Speaker 1: and he's got a day here, so yeah, figure it out.
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see if he comes back or not.
Speaker 1: I would assume it's a pretty tough adjustment a lot
Speaker 1: of times for these guys coming out of college programs
Speaker 1: where most of them were among the best on their teams,
Speaker 1: and then they get here and they're among the I
Speaker 1: don't want to say the worst, but they're certainly not
Speaker 1: up there as far as a depth chart or the
Speaker 1: amount of credibility that they have. And you know, he
Speaker 1: has a day like he had the first day. Sometimes
Speaker 1: adjusting to that is is difficult. Yeah. I think he's
Speaker 1: one of those guys. I could be wrong, but I
Speaker 1: think he's one of those athletes that over the years
Speaker 1: has just been said yes too because of look at him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, um, but he never he said he had
Speaker 1: never played receiver because he said his hands were terrible.
Speaker 1: He said that. He asked about playing basketball and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't play basketball. And he's in Kentucky. I doesn't
Speaker 1: play basketball. You know. They put him at corner and
Speaker 1: you know, you would think he'd be a safety. But
Speaker 1: but so he's got a tough issue anyways, just being
Speaker 1: a six four corner that they don't and playing for Richard.
Speaker 1: I mean, Chris gets he's temper. He gets really into
Speaker 1: the game and he will yell at you and so
Speaker 1: if you're not that's yeh didn't happen get beaten? He
Speaker 1: was He was like you're get out, getting out of here.
Speaker 1: So I think I think Chris just meant like on
Speaker 1: the sideline, but stream might have been like, where did
Speaker 1: he tell me to lead that don't have to leave?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're really speculating. No, it's and I
Speaker 1: hope and if there's I'll just say this too. We're
Speaker 1: making light of it. I don't know what the personal
Speaker 1: issues are. They could be a lot deeper than can
Speaker 1: you cover a wide receiver? Sure, and if that's the case,
Speaker 1: then you know, we really don't know. We're speculating. And
Speaker 1: hope he comes back, and hope he gets it going
Speaker 1: and has a Cole Beasley type career. There are other
Speaker 1: guys that this has happened to it well where they
Speaker 1: leave or whatever reason, personal reasons, whatever the point is,
Speaker 1: you hope he's back on tomorrow and back working in
Speaker 1: and we'll see how things go for him. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and take our first break. When we
Speaker 1: come back from break, I want to talk about this
Speaker 1: defensive line. We're gonna talk about the defensive tackles first,
Speaker 1: getting some into some conversation of the depth of this group,
Speaker 1: because they've got a lot of guys that sit behind
Speaker 1: those two starters, and I'm not really certain that I
Speaker 1: know exactly who those guys will become the final fifty
Speaker 1: three man roster. We'll talk about that when we come
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Speaker 1: It is the second second of the Break, live from Opsdock, California.
Speaker 1: It is day five. You've been out here. I don't
Speaker 1: know something like that. Day five or so? Yeah, what
Speaker 1: episode is if you count Thursday? If you count, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you count, But I don't count that. I was
Speaker 1: thinking about the days that they actually started practice. Sorry,
Speaker 1: so i'd be about day five here. I think it
Speaker 1: would be about if I slept here, I count it.
Speaker 1: So okay, well we're a week in then, yeah, and
Speaker 1: we only got two and a half more weeks, two weeks,
Speaker 1: three days or something. All right, so let's jump in.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the defensive line. Um, let's
Speaker 1: start first with the defensive tackles. And here's kind of
Speaker 1: the way I look at this position. You got Belie
Speaker 1: Collins and Antoine Woods as your starters. You got as backups,
Speaker 1: Daniel Ross, Christian Covington, Tristan Hill, Daniel Wise, Shaquire Soto. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess give me kind of the the big picture
Speaker 1: of what you think of this particularly this position, factoring
Speaker 1: in the starters, the depth. What do you just think
Speaker 1: about this position overall? I think you got some good players.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have a great player, but
Speaker 1: then again, you can't have a great player at every spot, um,
Speaker 1: But it's the one position where I think is um
Speaker 1: is concerning just because of a that reason right there.
Speaker 1: Don't think you have that badass that just takes over games.
Speaker 1: And the one that kind of is the best is
Speaker 1: injury prone sometimes in MALIEK Collins and two or be
Speaker 1: whatever I started with, I can't remember him. Um. I
Speaker 1: think that it's the position that it was vulnerable some
Speaker 1: last year and the Rams you know, ran over him
Speaker 1: and the Colt ran over him, and so I think
Speaker 1: that you know, it's one that needs to be improved,
Speaker 1: and that's why you're spending your top pick on it
Speaker 1: with Tristan Hill. So I just think there's some question
Speaker 1: marks there, but you know it'll be all right, No,
Speaker 1: we'll see. It's just so uncertain to me. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: Malik is the best one. He's injury front, although through
Speaker 1: two days of pads. He looks very nat he looks
Speaker 1: good out there. He was healthy. Gave Zach contract year,
Speaker 1: gave Zack Martin fits yesterday. Um, so that's something to watch. Uh.
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, you know started last year. Good, good player. Um,
Speaker 1: he's an exclusive rights free agent when the season's over.
Speaker 1: He's also you know, he's he's not Gerald McCoy or
Speaker 1: you know some guy that's just got that thing locked
Speaker 1: down to the degree that you don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about it. And that's really Tristan Hill is the only
Speaker 1: one here with a long term future. Um. And that's
Speaker 1: even you know that, that's what you said about years ago.
Speaker 1: Right Well, when I say when I say a long
Speaker 1: term future, I mean till the next contract or yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine him being cut any time before like
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Right so, but other than that Woods
Speaker 1: contract year, Malague contract year. And then you know, Daniel
Speaker 1: ross Is, he's a nice player. He did some nice things,
Speaker 1: but he certainly doesn't have a long term outlook as
Speaker 1: of right now. Whom whom I ristic, Christian coving I'm
Speaker 1: excited about Christian Covington. He I mean, maybe it's just
Speaker 1: because he came from the Texans, but he reminds me
Speaker 1: of Terrell McClean. It's like, who's this journeyman? Detail, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's actually pretty damn good. Okay, cool. It's one of
Speaker 1: the things I read about him when the Cowboys first
Speaker 1: signed him was you go back and look at some
Speaker 1: of the articles they wrote in Houston, and they were
Speaker 1: talking about him like, man, this is a guy that's
Speaker 1: you know, he's not one of those frontline guys, but
Speaker 1: he's one of those glue guys. He's one of those
Speaker 1: guys that gives you a lot of good production that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily show up on the statute. Of course, what
Speaker 1: I wondered too, is that, you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of shooters in the NBA that they got open when
Speaker 1: they played with Shack, you know, and I wonder if
Speaker 1: guess what, he's got a couple of shocks on this scene.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well but not where he's coming from. They're
Speaker 1: not as good as I'm talking about Clowney and what coming,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of forcing the guy up, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's right in my face. So no belief in Quinn
Speaker 1: and d Law. Yeah, I'm not saying that. Just wonder
Speaker 1: if are they as good? I mean, which one would
Speaker 1: you take them? As a tandem. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: they're not as a tandem. I'm not sure. As a
Speaker 1: best player, I think Wat's better than all of them,
Speaker 1: but I think as a tandem, I mean, Clowney's a
Speaker 1: guy that he'll show No, Clowney will show up in games.
Speaker 1: Cone who also disappearing games. That's why they have money.
Speaker 1: Is in a franchise tag dispute. And Robert Quinn got
Speaker 1: traded here for day three picks. Yeah, yeah, but there's
Speaker 1: a reason why they haven't signed him to a long term.
Speaker 1: It's okay to say they're not the bed like two
Speaker 1: No, no no, no. All I'm saying is you go back
Speaker 1: and look at high Criticism is valid, but I will
Speaker 1: take I'll take good. All I'm saying is is, let's
Speaker 1: let's see if the Cowboys can give that kind of
Speaker 1: outside pressure h the way, you know, and make Covington
Speaker 1: kind of show up there. But but when you look
Speaker 1: at him, he looks like really wide, like he's just
Speaker 1: got his shoulders and he's defensive time. That's great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great for time. Actually, uh, Antoine Woods looks like
Speaker 1: he's kind of slimmed down a little bit. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I buy that. Yeah, he's been working hard this offseason.
Speaker 1: He posts it on social media all the time. And
Speaker 1: that's not a shot, Like I think it's cool to
Speaker 1: watch and he's that if he takes the next step
Speaker 1: and that he could be really good at he said
Speaker 1: videos year, but well, oh he's good at editing videos.
Speaker 1: That's not him. That's another gay. Yeah they look the same,
Speaker 1: but he gets y'all's inside jokes. Carry offten. He's doing
Speaker 1: all the like badass. We have an employee who happens
Speaker 1: to look a lot like you know, funny things our
Speaker 1: great friend carry loft. There were some fans on the
Speaker 1: sideline a couple of days ago and they were like,
Speaker 1: why is Antoine Woods carrying a camera? Yeah? Literally as
Speaker 1: ever they said that it's it's like it's uncanny. That
Speaker 1: tells you that people really think he looks like him.
Speaker 1: But um, what else? Oh no, I mean, Antoine's contractor
Speaker 1: year is different from Malik's contractor year. He's an exclusive
Speaker 1: rights free agents. All the Cowboys have to do is
Speaker 1: like check the box on his deal and he comes
Speaker 1: back back. But they don't have to I mean if
Speaker 1: he's just not good this year, they find a better option. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's a reason why he got um Drew Rosenhouse
Speaker 1: as his agent. Yeah, Like he got Rosenhouse this year.
Speaker 1: So um, you know he's expecting some some big things.
Speaker 1: But but I am you know, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: nothing feels written in stone to me other than that
Speaker 1: Malik is probably your first choice three tech if he's healthy,
Speaker 1: and he has been. He hasn't had a hiccup this
Speaker 1: offseason at all, which is new for him. Like he's
Speaker 1: you know, he's the guy that he's broken his foot
Speaker 1: in the off season a couple of times, so that's encouraging.
Speaker 1: And I ride off Ross all the time, like I
Speaker 1: just forget about him and just say he was until
Speaker 1: he makes a few He was Christian Covington last year.
Speaker 1: You're like, you know, his stat sheets not very impressive,
Speaker 1: but when you watch the games, you're like, oh damn,
Speaker 1: there's Daniel Rosso then. Yeah, but you know Will McClay
Speaker 1: he has he's a good track record of getting some players.
Speaker 1: And you know, the guys that Will likes stick around.
Speaker 1: I remember he liked Lance Lenore when no one else
Speaker 1: really did. And he's still around and I believe he
Speaker 1: likes Rico Gathers and he's still around and he really
Speaker 1: likes the Daniel Wise because he's a good player. And
Speaker 1: then also he's a family friend as well. I mean
Speaker 1: his dad was on his coach and staff and that.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, but I'm not saying that Will McClay
Speaker 1: would do that or anybody does that, but that's how
Speaker 1: it opens the door to get there. He's rooting for
Speaker 1: the kid, and if he continues to play well, he'll
Speaker 1: be around. If I had to give like a no
Speaker 1: name to jump out, Daniel Wise would definitely be on
Speaker 1: the short list. He I mean, he's done, he's done
Speaker 1: some work out here against his end of the depth chart.
Speaker 1: To paraphrase from Brian broad Us, like you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see when he gets a chance to go against the
Speaker 1: big boys and the starters. But I'm I'm intrigued by
Speaker 1: his talent and I think they had I think they
Speaker 1: had a fourth round grade on him. They had a
Speaker 1: nice grade on him, and they got him undrafted. So
Speaker 1: so looking at those guys, Daniel Ross, who we talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about, Christian Covington, Tristan Hill, Daniel Wise,
Speaker 1: which of those guys if he had to say today,
Speaker 1: one of them is going to make the biggest impact
Speaker 1: of the backups. Which of those guys you think it
Speaker 1: is Covington? Yeah, I think ye. He's got the body
Speaker 1: to play one, and he's played end in the three four, which, like,
Speaker 1: I think he's got some more pass rush to him
Speaker 1: then maybe some of these other guys. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about the one in the three,
Speaker 1: but interchangeabilities so much for these guys. I think I
Speaker 1: think he could probably play one but also disrupt the
Speaker 1: pocket as well. And he's got the NFL experience. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's started games in the NFL. Um and and again,
Speaker 1: this depth chart is other than Malik and Antoine's actually
Speaker 1: other than Malik and Tristan Hill. Really, I think it's
Speaker 1: nothing is really written in stone. So I like his thoughts.
Speaker 1: You think he could get his way onto the field
Speaker 1: in pass rush situations, because that's the tough part about
Speaker 1: this team. They have guys, and in particular guy like
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford who who can who are defensive ends, but
Speaker 1: that can play defensive tackles, so you get him into
Speaker 1: pass ruch situations. They actually want to get those guys
Speaker 1: on the field as defensive tackles, which makes the defense
Speaker 1: they've actually they've got They've got another one in Carrie
Speaker 1: Hyder who's played both and he's been he's only worked
Speaker 1: at ends since he got here, but he can do both.
Speaker 1: So you know what, I was just looking at another
Speaker 1: guy that I wouldn't be surprised if they see if
Speaker 1: he could do both. As Joe Jackson, he's six four
Speaker 1: two eighty five on the sheet, there's no way and
Speaker 1: there's a reason they can't get him to two ninety.
Speaker 1: That would be the same size as as Daniel Wise
Speaker 1: and on that so he could be a guy that
Speaker 1: moves inside and play some defensive facul That's that's the
Speaker 1: fun thing about this. All right, Let's let's go through it. Guys,
Speaker 1: Stone Cold locks to be here on the defensive line.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, Tyrone Crawford, um MALIEK Collins, Robert Robert Quinn,
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill. All Right, I'll give you Antoine. I don't
Speaker 1: know that you can definitely say that's a Stone cald Lock,
Speaker 1: but I have a hard tip to get a guy
Speaker 1: goes from starter to off the team. But yeah, go ahead,
Speaker 1: I'll give you I'll even give you six. That's still
Speaker 1: probably any a minimum of three, if not four spots
Speaker 1: that are up for grabs, and I can't I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell you who those guys are. I will tell you this.
Speaker 1: I think as much as you can probably make him
Speaker 1: a locked at least make the team and we this
Speaker 1: is kind of moving over into the other position, but
Speaker 1: I think Darren's Armstrong's probably on that. Let's have a
Speaker 1: hard time thinking he's not on this team based on
Speaker 1: other than so far. Okay, yeah, all right, guy, he
Speaker 1: looks really good, looks really and he's a guy that
Speaker 1: was a draft pick last year. He looked good last
Speaker 1: year when he got some opportunities at times. Right, fourth
Speaker 1: fourth round is the magical round where it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: that you were a draft pick. Like if he doesn't
Speaker 1: show it here, they don't care. But my point is
Speaker 1: with a big round and actually played and did pretty well,
Speaker 1: that's what makes me think he it's hard. He has
Speaker 1: to really screw it up to not make the Through
Speaker 1: two days of practice, I think he makes the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks really good, but I mean it's a long month.
Speaker 1: Like if he doesn't, if he has a bad month,
Speaker 1: then they're not like, oh my god, he was. He
Speaker 1: was picked one twenty something. We can't go him. You
Speaker 1: say fourth round, I say fifth round because I think
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson's gonna have to be terrible for him not
Speaker 1: to make the round as a rookie. Ryan Russell, but
Speaker 1: he was around for a little bit. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know Mary ross Or cuts his rocky year. They put
Speaker 1: him on them, they put him on the practice squad,
Speaker 1: but he was he did not stick around. Okay, you're right.
Speaker 1: Let's see if Marinelli dog cusses Joe Jackson like he did.
Speaker 1: Ryan wrestle every day, then yeah, and that was what
Speaker 1: I asked. Y'all are terrible. Y'all are kind of contradicting me.
Speaker 1: Y'all are like, I feel really good about this guy.
Speaker 1: I'm saying stone cold. Yeah, I are here. There's no
Speaker 1: arguing about it. That's right. You're right. And if you're
Speaker 1: looking at that, then yeah, you're probably right. There's only
Speaker 1: probably six guys that are stone cold locks to be here.
Speaker 1: But that's probably better than any other position. Think about
Speaker 1: stone cold locks and the percentage of the roster. The
Speaker 1: only other thing I could say would be tied in
Speaker 1: tight end. You got probably three stone cold locks there
Speaker 1: and that's yeah. But when running back, what's running back? Yeah? One? Two? Yeah, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: that's fair, it's totally fair. Trying to think of their
Speaker 1: quarter positions. I mean receiver receiver. Your quarterbacks are locks. Ye,
Speaker 1: your wide receivers are lot. So I think defense line,
Speaker 1: when you look at it that way, it's probably a
Speaker 1: little bit better than other positions. It's yes, offensive defensive
Speaker 1: line probably are the ones where you got to defensive
Speaker 1: line that's pretty lucky. Yeah. Yeah. Encouraging the talent, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean if you're doing it by percentage, then probably
Speaker 1: eighty percent of your own line it's locked in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was gonna say, I'm super encouraged by the
Speaker 1: talent level on both of the lines. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: We'll take another show to get into that. Um let's
Speaker 1: talk about the defensive ends though, And I want to
Speaker 1: transition between defensive tackle and defensive end by talking about
Speaker 1: a guy that plays both defensive tackle and defensive end.
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford not practicing right now, but when he comes back,
Speaker 1: he is a guy that's being able to do both,
Speaker 1: being able to do both both fairly well, where do
Speaker 1: you think he best fits on this team where now
Speaker 1: you have a Robert Quinn who's starting at that opposite
Speaker 1: defensive end position from tank. Where do you think Crawford best?
Speaker 1: I think Tyrone Crawford will wear number ninety eight, and
Speaker 1: that's the only thing I know about him. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll play week one. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he'll be an end. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he'll be a tackle. I don't know if he'll be
Speaker 1: a captain. I don't even know how many reps he
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about Tyrone other than he will
Speaker 1: wear ninety eight. I'll tell you this, the man, the
Speaker 1: man looks yoked like. And you know we've talked about it. Obvious.
Speaker 1: You know his versatility isn't his asset. I think Nick
Speaker 1: always makes a great point. Maybe works against him a
Speaker 1: little bit because they'll just well, we can throw Tyrone there.
Speaker 1: But he's been working, and I like, it doesn't look
Speaker 1: like he changed to play defensive tackle. It just looks
Speaker 1: like he was like, I'm gonna set personal bests in
Speaker 1: the squat all year, and that's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: Because him and DeMarcus Lawrence were out here doing rehab
Speaker 1: like two days ago, and I was like, if you
Speaker 1: if I didn't know anything about this team and I
Speaker 1: had to guess which one was the All Pro just
Speaker 1: based on how impressive they looked, I would pick Tyrone.
Speaker 1: His thighs are like tree trunks, Like he looks like
Speaker 1: he's been working really hard. Good for him. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And that annoys me because that's the
Speaker 1: debate I have with brought us all the time, where
Speaker 1: like Brian will sit here and tell me till I'm
Speaker 1: blue in the face that right end is the one
Speaker 1: that matters, and you gotta gotta get the corner, and
Speaker 1: the left end is the less talented one. But here
Speaker 1: you got an all pro play and left end. And
Speaker 1: all due respect to Tyrone Crawford, he does not have
Speaker 1: that freakish bend and athleticism that helps you play right end.
Speaker 1: But he's been man in that position for two years.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna tell me that he fits better at
Speaker 1: right end, even though that's the one that's supposed to
Speaker 1: be the more athletic position. But do you think that
Speaker 1: him getting bigger affects that? And maybe he's getting bigger
Speaker 1: because he's more of going to be a defensive tackle
Speaker 1: this year. I don't, like I said, his body doesn't
Speaker 1: look like that like him. He looks bigger, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't look like he has You got to make changes,
Speaker 1: you know, Like he leaned up a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago to play in and he still looks that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so no, I just I think he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: really useful and versatile third end. That's what I think
Speaker 1: about Tyrone. And he could probably play either side if
Speaker 1: I wanted him too. So taking him out of the
Speaker 1: mix for a second, who do you think is the
Speaker 1: third best pass rusher on this team? You've got Tank,
Speaker 1: You've got Robert Quinn. I want a table Tyrone Crawford
Speaker 1: for a second, of guys like Dorn's Armstrong and Carrie Hider,
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson, tackle Charlton. Who do you think is the
Speaker 1: third best pass rusher on this team? Well? The third
Speaker 1: And we're not gonna We're not gonna throw out Randy
Speaker 1: because Randy's not here just yet, but go ahead. Is
Speaker 1: that where you're gonna go Randy? Yeah? How about your
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith? I'm not even really kidding, like, no, I know,
Speaker 1: but give me a defensive in I hope it's doing.
Speaker 1: But you know, I have this. I think that one
Speaker 1: of these rookies is gonna step up. I really do.
Speaker 1: And I just don't know what. I think Jalen Jokes
Speaker 1: is going to really emerge. I don't know why, I
Speaker 1: just do. What have you seen? Okay? I saw him?
Speaker 1: Noock Rico gathers to the ground on something. Somebody showed
Speaker 1: me a clip. What were you what were you gonna say? No?
Speaker 1: What do you? Guys? Keep talking? And I keep a dog,
Speaker 1: but MP in the place for manners. No, if if
Speaker 1: four people are just going at it, it creates too
Speaker 1: much chaos. So I'm living up to you guys. Keep going. No,
Speaker 1: forget it now it's gonna say Darrence. I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: a guy that I've been keeping my eye on and
Speaker 1: I have high hopes for him because he's a guy
Speaker 1: that DeMarcus Lawrence has taken for whatever reason. He's taking
Speaker 1: him under his wing and has decided to coach up
Speaker 1: this guy and teach him about life even outside of
Speaker 1: the football field. You know. So when you got a
Speaker 1: guy like DeMarcus Lawrence who is proven and and does
Speaker 1: the things that he does that he does, I would
Speaker 1: expect um Dorance Armstrom to be able to soak up
Speaker 1: all of that knowledge. Now mentally, I don't know how
Speaker 1: much he's there. And I say that with caution. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I've had conversations with him and it's just
Speaker 1: kind of like I'm like talking to somebody right now,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's kind of strange, but physically I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to say something bad, but you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But you know some players that are like
Speaker 1: that that has not flashed a lot of personality to
Speaker 1: this point in his career, which because it might not
Speaker 1: be about his mental capacity, he's not personable or maybe
Speaker 1: just nervous talking to you. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: words maybe what are both? I'm just saying I've heard
Speaker 1: Malik Collins say about eight words since he got here.
Speaker 1: Like some guys just aren't like that. Yeah, Larry Allen, Yeah, seriously,
Speaker 1: I'm not going off of that about his no Mass experience. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not just going some bad ones very good no
Speaker 1: Moss either, but go ahead. No, But basically, when you
Speaker 1: have a mentor like DeMarcus Lawrence who's willing to coach
Speaker 1: you up and take you under his wing, even outside
Speaker 1: of the football field, hang out with him and do
Speaker 1: all these things together. I would hope that it kind
Speaker 1: of washes off on him and like he absorbs all
Speaker 1: of that and he translate onto the football field. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to, you know, steam the hype
Speaker 1: train up too fast, too soon. But it just looks
Speaker 1: different when a guy that size can dip his shoulder
Speaker 1: and bend the corner like that. And I've seen Dorin's
Speaker 1: armstrong do that and that's regularly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's exciting.
Speaker 1: So we're about something. Oh, I think it's about time
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Speaker 1: Let's jump into a little seat, un No, am, But
Speaker 1: what do you have for us? Well, I see a
Speaker 1: lot of people starting to talk about trading. So it's
Speaker 1: that time of year, baby, Ezekiel Elliott, We're going to Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you see the Cowboys going that route down the
Speaker 1: road in the near future, trading Ze for something else?
Speaker 1: There's nobody out there that you can trade for right
Speaker 1: now with him to get value at all. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you can't even trade to pay a draft pick because
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's gonna be good, bad or whatever.
Speaker 1: So if you trade me your first round pick, like,
Speaker 1: what does that do? I've seen that. I've seen that
Speaker 1: twice where the Cowboys have traded for next year's one
Speaker 1: and the team kind of got hot and ended up
Speaker 1: going you know, seven to nine, and in giving you
Speaker 1: a twentieth pick for Zeke, I need the top five
Speaker 1: pick because I picked him number four and he's been
Speaker 1: better than that. So I like that. First of all,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get on my soapbox as quickly as possible, because,
Speaker 1: like do it Dave. Three weeks ago, I, me and
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh were sort of bantering about what it might
Speaker 1: look like if the team moved on from Zeke and
Speaker 1: everybody lost their damn mind, like we were just the
Speaker 1: stupidest people on earth, and why would we want to
Speaker 1: get rid of Zeke? Dude misses two days of practice
Speaker 1: and everybody in the world thinks he's not that good
Speaker 1: and they want to get rid of him, and it's bs.
Speaker 1: I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the hypocrisy. On
Speaker 1: top of that, what what are you doing? What do
Speaker 1: you do? Like, what's this deal? You're gonna trade him
Speaker 1: for a pick and then you know, we'll roll forward
Speaker 1: into the season with Alfred Morris, Darius Jackson, and Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard good luck And you might hear that from them
Speaker 1: or some other people. I've no, that's a terrible idea.
Speaker 1: No offense to those guys, you're not accomplishing your goals
Speaker 1: as a team that way. To anybody for a pick,
Speaker 1: it's got to be a player would have to be
Speaker 1: involved because and who is this team? Who is this
Speaker 1: team that wants him? Like, oh, trade for Duke Johnson?
Speaker 1: Why isn't that? Why do they want him? They've got
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb on a cheap contract, who can do what
Speaker 1: they need him to do. He needs to be a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl player, because don't give me a pick, because
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that Zeke's gonna make that team better.
Speaker 1: So that pick's gonna be. Who are these teams out
Speaker 1: there that want Zeke that would give up the pick
Speaker 1: and also have a good running back to give because
Speaker 1: I need that, Like I need a replacement running back again,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what's your cutoff there of good running are
Speaker 1: you talking about? You need somebody that's the caliber of
Speaker 1: a top five running back in the league. I need
Speaker 1: a bell Cow Okay? I mean, like if you told
Speaker 1: me I could get Duke Johnson in a trade and
Speaker 1: a pick or two, Like, all right, that's not absurd.
Speaker 1: Not a bell Cow guy, right, He's at least he
Speaker 1: could at least be a lead dog and he can
Speaker 1: catch and do all. Like he's a well rounded guy
Speaker 1: who can do everything and play the majority of the snaps.
Speaker 1: And if Pollard's getting some snaps and then a third
Speaker 1: running back, we can make that work, right, And that's
Speaker 1: why I'm trying to figure out, like what that cutoff is?
Speaker 1: What kind of player would be? The kind of player
Speaker 1: you would say, Hey, if I had that guy that
Speaker 1: would be good enough with this offensive line to be
Speaker 1: able to make my team in a perfect like just
Speaker 1: an in a vacuum, if you sent me Duke Johnson
Speaker 1: and a valuable pick like first, preferably first, but maybe
Speaker 1: even second round. Like I'm listening, Yeah, okay, but like
Speaker 1: why would the Browns do that. They've like, they've got
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, They've got this, they got that, Like they
Speaker 1: don't they don't the reason why why Duke Johnson is
Speaker 1: wanting to be trades? They already got a guy. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just you know, I can go research this,
Speaker 1: but I don't see a team out there that fits
Speaker 1: this magical criteria. Or I mean, if Duke Johnson was
Speaker 1: really worth anything, they wouldn't have drafted Nick Chubb high
Speaker 1: in the second round. Anyways, I mean, they wouldn't have
Speaker 1: gone to get Kareem Hunt after that, Like they don't
Speaker 1: really value him as a good player. So there's there's
Speaker 1: nobody you could really pay the guy. You're like, just
Speaker 1: sign him. I've said this, you're talking about injuries, Like
Speaker 1: what injury? I mean? I thought about this earlier. I
Speaker 1: was like, the only thing I'm worried about is Zeke's deliverer.
Speaker 1: That's it, seriously, just because don't go out there and
Speaker 1: be partying it up in Cabo. That's it. Don't be
Speaker 1: partying all the time. Come back here and be ready
Speaker 1: to play. That's it. He'll be ready, He'll be ready. Well,
Speaker 1: here's another running back question. Will you consider Sean Barkley
Speaker 1: a better running back than seek? If plugged into this Cowboys?
Speaker 1: He's a better running back than Zeke on that team.
Speaker 1: And I don't even like, I don't have to mince
Speaker 1: words because Zeke Elliott said that himself. He said that
Speaker 1: before sa Quan came out. He was like, he's better
Speaker 1: than me. He's gonna be better than me. Is the
Speaker 1: best in the league in my opinion, right He's it's
Speaker 1: hard to argue with what he did on a sorry
Speaker 1: Giants team here, and yeah, if he was here, I
Speaker 1: mean take him number one. Baker is gonna be there
Speaker 1: at four. I mean some of the thing about it
Speaker 1: is you look at some of the things, you look
Speaker 1: at some of the things he did last year with
Speaker 1: a really really suspect offensive line. That's when you know
Speaker 1: you got somebody that's really really special, you know. And
Speaker 1: so that's where I mean, Zeke has done everything he's
Speaker 1: done at the NFL. And this is not to take
Speaker 1: away from Zeke. Zeke has been phenomenal, but he did
Speaker 1: it with a really really great offensive line. Quans not
Speaker 1: and I think that just shows kind of the difference.
Speaker 1: It's it's one of the reasons why when you talk
Speaker 1: about best all time, I'm one of those guys that
Speaker 1: kind of defers over to Barry Sanders because he did
Speaker 1: it most of his career without an offensive line. I
Speaker 1: don't think I mean, I'm sorry Cowboys fans, I don't
Speaker 1: think you can argue that well. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of people that do, and I think it's a fair argument. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the numbers say that that it's the best all time.
Speaker 1: I just think personally, when you look at his offensive line, first, Barry,
Speaker 1: we can do another show on that, all right, but
Speaker 1: well the other and you know this is worthwhile too.
Speaker 1: I haven't I haven't heard. I just want to say
Speaker 1: this that sounded very Mickey like. But but to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys I believe were two and seven when without when
Speaker 1: they played without him, it so that awesome Offen. Now
Speaker 1: he meant he meant a lot to their He meant
Speaker 1: a lot. He meant a lot to their team. He
Speaker 1: was probably, in my opinion, probably their most valuable player.
Speaker 1: As though you know they'll give credits a lot of
Speaker 1: the people, that's not the point I'm making. The point
Speaker 1: I'm making is we just talk about just running back skill.
Speaker 1: I think Barry had a skill that was different than anybody,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, be different than anybody in the in
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL. I agree. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: I haven't seen sa Quon Barkley's name in very many
Speaker 1: non football headlines since he came into the league. And
Speaker 1: that's something that helps too. Yeahs, I mean, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: yeah all around, it's a better total package. Not I mean,
Speaker 1: Zeke's great too, but yeah, see see yeah, see sorry,
Speaker 1: we all all we talked about Molly Callings and him
Speaker 1: being injury prone. Would you expect him to be to
Speaker 1: make the Pro Bowl this year? Ceo, No, I've been
Speaker 1: burned by that before. I mean, you know, he had
Speaker 1: five and a half sacks as a rookie. If he
Speaker 1: can stay healthy, see if he can stay healthy, yes,
Speaker 1: but I just that hasn't been there for him. I
Speaker 1: say no, not because I don't think. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna have a really good year. I think when we
Speaker 1: finished talking about this, we're gonna be like in that
Speaker 1: dilemma of man's he's worth some money. Now my problem
Speaker 1: is as a defensive tackle, is he going to be
Speaker 1: better than Fletcher Cox? He's gonna be better than Aaron Donald.
Speaker 1: Like that's the point when you start talk about Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: you start talk about Pro Bowl. It's hard to make
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls. It's easier than ever to make the Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl too, like with alternates and people start Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Tell Fletcher Cox needs to get his shoulder cleaned up
Speaker 1: in January so he bows out. I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't say he'd be health the first team defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: but I could see him making it all right, Well,
Speaker 1: if he stays healthy, Yeah, sixteen games, Well, wnt be
Speaker 1: the touchdown? Leader in Cowboys history by the end of
Speaker 1: this season, is it. I don't even know. I think
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this at the Star before
Speaker 1: we came out here, and like I waved it off
Speaker 1: as being crazy, and then I realized he's only like
Speaker 1: four behind behind this. I think he's got six behind
Speaker 1: because he needs six to break it. No, they can't,
Speaker 1: hear our producer. Yes, he ain't get he needs six
Speaker 1: to break it and getting six touchdowns thanks you remember
Speaker 1: he's average is gonna get five and he got he
Speaker 1: still needs five his career isn't that couldn't His career
Speaker 1: average is like exactly five, and I want to say
Speaker 1: he had five in his final year here, like he
Speaker 1: he really took a downturn in like like fifteen sixteen,
Speaker 1: he had like three each year, but that he put
Speaker 1: up five and seventeen. I don't think. So It's like
Speaker 1: that is the perfect like over under question, like it's
Speaker 1: it's plausible, but it won't necessarily be easy. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say no. I'm gonna say yes just because it's fun,
Speaker 1: like when too many other guys are gonna get touchdowns
Speaker 1: for his team, and I don't think he'll say yesterday.
Speaker 1: I think that when he other guys get there, guys
Speaker 1: in the red zone. But I think Jarwin will be
Speaker 1: a guy that they'll throw two more in the red
Speaker 1: zone than than Witten. And I don't think Whitten's the
Speaker 1: kind of guy that's just you know, breaking it from
Speaker 1: twenty eight yards out right. Say't get off me. It's
Speaker 1: we're gonna be writing these Fountain of Youth headlines in
Speaker 1: like October, just like Jason Witten has four touchdowns after
Speaker 1: six games. I mean, I'm sort of joking possible. Like
Speaker 1: I said, it's more fun. It'd be clearer when you're joking.
Speaker 1: It's more fun to think it could happen. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say yes. See, if the defense is top five
Speaker 1: this year and the Cowboys don't make the NFC Championship Game,
Speaker 1: is a new code head coach on the current staff,
Speaker 1: Regardless of where the defense is ranked, if they don't
Speaker 1: get you know what, they're right, If you got a
Speaker 1: top five that's that's a good question. It took me
Speaker 1: a second to realize that, So say it again. Say
Speaker 1: it again again. If the defense is top five this
Speaker 1: year and the Cowboys don't make the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 1: Is the new head coach? Well you really can? I
Speaker 1: can I answer? Can I ask the question? Is going
Speaker 1: to be the head coach of this team? If? If
Speaker 1: they if they do well, the defense holds up, it's
Speaker 1: end of the bargain. But Jason Garrett, remember coordinator. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the funny part about all of this. Really, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. It is a good question. And I
Speaker 1: will say see wait, see that means the head coaches
Speaker 1: on this staff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's really hard. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say no because wait, can I Gellen? I want
Speaker 1: to say the next the next coach of and I
Speaker 1: think the world of Christoph Shard and the next coach
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys, whether it's this year or five
Speaker 1: years from now, will be a splash year higher than
Speaker 1: just promoting your defensive coordinator unless splash though, unless unless
Speaker 1: unless your defense is so good that people are that
Speaker 1: the identity this of this team changes. This started to
Speaker 1: happen last year where people were talking about this defense,
Speaker 1: where they were talking about this in this hypothetical world
Speaker 1: where this is a thing. Chris Richard's gonna get a
Speaker 1: meeting with Jerry and Stephen Jones and he will blow
Speaker 1: them away. Absolutely, he will wow them his personality, his
Speaker 1: level of engagement, his passion, his level of preparation, all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Like if he gets a chance to interview,
Speaker 1: you can't bet against that. There's no way that there
Speaker 1: is an opening with the Dallas Cowboys as the head coach.
Speaker 1: And unless the defense falls apart this year and he
Speaker 1: is not a candidate, I just think, you know, unless
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: but that would be the only that would be the
Speaker 1: only way that I don't see him as a potential candidate. Now,
Speaker 1: whether he gets a job or not, that's a whole
Speaker 1: different thing for sure. That's what I can't imagine that interview.
Speaker 1: That he doesn't get an interview. You got to get
Speaker 1: an interview. I just yeah. I don't want to throw
Speaker 1: out names because I don't want to prompt speculation, But
Speaker 1: there are just some there are some big fish that
Speaker 1: this team could go after if that were the case.
Speaker 1: And I think he got his interview last year. All
Speaker 1: last year, that was an interview. All that's all you
Speaker 1: need to look. Cut my eyes fair to say that
Speaker 1: the four of us are big were members of the
Speaker 1: christoph Shard fan club, as is most of Cowboys Nation,
Speaker 1: no doubt. I mean, like he got if they weren't
Speaker 1: fans before that video of him, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: rustling and wrestling with the Eagles before the game. Like
Speaker 1: that's when fans are like, oh, we're in on this
Speaker 1: everything he did. You see the photo that Jeremiah, our
Speaker 1: team photographer, took yesterday where it was Jeff Heath's pick,
Speaker 1: and like he got the perfect Like Richard is like
Speaker 1: up in the air with his fists up, just freaking out.
Speaker 1: It's great. Yeah, he's awesome. If he's not and he's
Speaker 1: not the defensive coordinator, but the way he is out
Speaker 1: here on the field, you would think he was the
Speaker 1: defensive pointator. He's interacting with players from every position on
Speaker 1: the entire defense. So yeah, all right, here's the last one.
Speaker 1: Is the old line as good as twenty sixteen? See
Speaker 1: let's see Let's rock. Yeah. I think Travis just ask
Speaker 1: good or better? I just thought about something, how do
Speaker 1: you quantify that like Sachs allowed rushing yards? I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you quantify better? As of this moment, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can say that because I don't
Speaker 1: know that I've seen yet that Connor's gonna be as
Speaker 1: good as Ron Leary was before he left the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: It's two days into camp. It's obvious. I mean, I
Speaker 1: could say we haven't seen enough to all these questions
Speaker 1: and justified, but even as of two days in camp,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen him be better than Ron Leary.
Speaker 1: I saw him sit down on Malie Collins yesterday in
Speaker 1: a way that I one hundred percent don't think he
Speaker 1: could have done. Excuse me it was I think it
Speaker 1: was Daniel Ross, not Malie Collins. But I don't think
Speaker 1: he could have done it last year. Fine, he won, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me come on, man, right, he won a golf
Speaker 1: cart for his offseason and conditioning work, like he is
Speaker 1: Zach Martin junior. Like they gave it. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't obvious. I mean Zack Martin's going on to
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. That's not what I mean. But
Speaker 1: like they gave him a binder. They were like, here's
Speaker 1: how you turn your body into Zach Martin. And he's
Speaker 1: just been following it like to a t. So I
Speaker 1: think he has made the strides to be better. Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins is in a contract year even Travis Frederick a
Speaker 1: year removed away from the game. I think should be
Speaker 1: pretty damn good. And then your other two are Hall
Speaker 1: of famers or maybe so. Yeah, I think they should
Speaker 1: be pretty good to feel optimistic about. I do too,
Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna be really good. My point, though,
Speaker 1: is I think at the point of where where Ron
Speaker 1: Leary was right before he left the Cowboys, that offensive
Speaker 1: line to me was the best office of head because
Speaker 1: he had an ass. But Connor Williams got an ass.
Speaker 1: Now that's my point. I didn't go there. But hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have access to the drops, don't
Speaker 1: want to hit. I guess we can want one more. Okay,
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill will be the best rookie of the two
Speaker 1: nineteen draft class. Nick thinks it's gonna be Jalen Jolkes,
Speaker 1: but hey, go ahead, Hey yeah, I'll say no because
Speaker 1: I got the whole field. Yeah, I just don't the
Speaker 1: way the way they rotate a defensive tackle, like I
Speaker 1: just I wonder how much of an impact will have
Speaker 1: a chance to make. I mean, Malik Malik did have
Speaker 1: five sacks five and a half sacks as a rookie,
Speaker 1: but Pollard is the obvious one. I think he's the
Speaker 1: on's gonna get more opportunities than anybody else if I
Speaker 1: can't choose Pollard, Yeah, maybe Hill, like Jackson, maybe Mike Jackson,
Speaker 1: the corner, Donovan Wilson. Not no, because even if those
Speaker 1: guys make the team, they'll be like Game Day and actors. Right,
Speaker 1: It's it's got to be Pollard. I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: lot's going to get the opportunity. Pollard, Hill, Pollard or Hill.
Speaker 1: I feel like those are the only logical answers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody else won't probably won't be playing unless you got
Speaker 1: some major injuries. They're probably not gonna be playing much
Speaker 1: this year except for special teams possibly. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: All right, we appreciate those A good game. I was loud, Okay,
Speaker 1: good game. We'll be back tomorrow. We appreciate you guys
Speaker 1: joining us. We'll get back out of our normal time tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It'll be ten am time. That'll be noon for you
Speaker 1: guys back in Dallas. And also, just a quick note,
Speaker 1: I said earlier that the Sunday scrimmage, the Blue eight scrimmage,
Speaker 1: was going to be in on TXA. I'm sorry he
Speaker 1: was gonna be on CBS. Eleven in Dallas. It's actually
Speaker 1: gonna be on TSA twenty one in Dallas, So for
Speaker 1: those of you out there in the larger area, you
Speaker 1: can get it across all of our platforms. Will be
Speaker 1: streaming it live, so you can check it out on Sunday,
Speaker 1: and then for you guys in Dallas, you can check
Speaker 1: it out on TSA twenty one. All right, we appreciate
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