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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discuss the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Governor Gavin Newsom has proposed a

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Speaker 1: twenty eight amendment to the United States Constitution to end

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Speaker 1: America's gun violence crisis. We have a star studded show today,

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Speaker 1: a show of shows.

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Speaker 2: Former White House Chief of Staff Ron.

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Speaker 1: Plain joins us to talk about the importance of implementing

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Speaker 1: the Biden Agenda in the next two years. Then we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to senior editor at The Atlantic, Ron Brownstein about

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court's huge voting rights decision. But first we

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Speaker 1: have the host of the Enemy's List, the One, the Only,

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Speaker 1: the Lincoln Project's Rick Wilson. I had to bring him

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Speaker 1: back because a because we love him and also because

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Speaker 1: he is our favorite, but also because Trump just got

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Speaker 1: indicted again, and I feel like, if Trump gets indeted,

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Speaker 1: you've got to get the band back together, and that

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Speaker 1: includes the One, the Only Rick wils.

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Speaker 3: You know, it is texting with a friend of mine

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Speaker 3: a little while ago, chess like, what do you think

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Speaker 3: how many courthouses do you think he's going to be

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Speaker 3: in this year? And then it was like you know

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Speaker 3: New York, LA or New York, Atlanta, d C. And

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Speaker 3: Miami and she rides back. So he's a rapper. I

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Speaker 3: got I got woes in many in many area codes.

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Speaker 1: Trump has been charged with seven counts, including the Espionage Act.

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Speaker 3: I just want to say, because I am jaded, cynical,

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Speaker 3: worn out, broken, old, tired, and I've been to this

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Speaker 3: goddamn rodeo too many times before. Everybody gets their yips

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Speaker 3: on and declares victory and ushers in a thousand years

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Speaker 3: of prosperity and light. They're doing this in Miami. If

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Speaker 3: y'all haven't been to Miami lately, it is very Trump

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Speaker 3: is hey white hot lava pit of insane, lunatic, over

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Speaker 3: the top maga isma. It is so cuckoo kachew. It

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Speaker 3: is so batshit, It is so crazy town that indicting

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Speaker 3: Trump in Miami with a Miami jury, I would rather

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Speaker 3: plunge thirty thousand feet out of a plane without a parachute.

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Speaker 1: So let me So, why do you think he was

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Speaker 1: indicted in Miami and not in the district Because he

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Speaker 1: could have been indicted in the district right well, And I'm.

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Speaker 3: No attorney, I just play. I just I just play

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Speaker 3: a relatively smart country caveman on TV occasionally. I'm not

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Speaker 3: an attorney. But but the reason that I'm given to

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Speaker 3: understand is they believe that an argument about venue would

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Speaker 3: have been fatal to them since all the actions, all

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Speaker 3: the criming took place in Florida. While DC is the

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Speaker 3: place that the national press would have loved to have

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Speaker 3: the story to take place because it makes it easy, right,

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Speaker 3: it just didn't. I mean, they're they're going to do

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Speaker 3: at Miami, and I'd just like to welcome all I'd

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Speaker 3: like to welcome all the reporters. You think Miami is

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Speaker 3: a dream.

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Speaker 2: City in Miami, I look.

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Speaker 3: Forward to seeing you guys send in South Florida in

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Speaker 3: August when it's one hundred and five degrees and four

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Speaker 2: So, but here's my question for you.

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Speaker 1: So they're gonna this is gonna now be the next

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Speaker 1: two years of Trump lawyers fighting with the DOJ.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look here here's the other problem. They were saying,

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Speaker 3: months of a primary. Well guess what, it's not gonna happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So let's say he gets indicted on Tuesday. Then the

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Speaker 3: fast mover. Blah blah blah blah blah. They're going to

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Speaker 3: take thirty sixty ninety days. However, long before they bring

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Speaker 3: Trump drudges, by the way, just so everybody keeps their

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Speaker 3: thing regresses, I think you're going to see that Trump.

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Speaker 3: It pushes further and further and further and further into

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Speaker 3: the Republican primary season. And look, I just I am

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Speaker 3: skeptical that at some point either Lisa Monico or Merrick

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Speaker 3: it looks bad that they waited as long as my

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Speaker 3: that would be a much sterner approach to these sort

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Speaker 3: now seeing I think the most interesting story about this

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Speaker 3: is God Save Me, Molly. I watched I don't know,

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Speaker 3: seven or twelve minutes of Fox TV tonight just because

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Speaker 3: It had Tim Scott saying that we need to pray

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Speaker 3: for America because Donald Trump's being persecuted by the Deep State.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. It had Pastor Robert Jeffers assuring us

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Speaker 3: the godliest president we've ever had. Harris Faulkner looked like

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Speaker 3: she was going to weep on TV. You know, Bongo

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Speaker 3: Bongino is like raging like it, like he's hopped up

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Speaker 3: on the cocktail, asteroids and meth amphetamine. The all of

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Speaker 3: these people are losing their minds. And my favorite thing

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Speaker 3: is that you're going to see all two favorite things.

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Speaker 3: I get to the second one in a second. Here.

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Speaker 3: What you're going to see is every Republican candidate is

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Speaker 3: the deep State and remember Garland politicized or trying to

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Speaker 3: cover up Hunter Biden's laptop, and that's why they're Biden

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Speaker 3: Crime family. You're going to see all that apparatus on

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Speaker 3: the right, and not one of these goddamn people will

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Speaker 3: say the word. They will not say. You know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to vote for Donald Trump if he's

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Speaker 3: the nominee because he's been indicted the on espionage like

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Speaker 3: fucking spies who go to prison for life, and and

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to vote for the guy. Because they don't.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to cut their their legs off and say, well,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to support the nominee, even though that

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Speaker 3: means that they're all telling you they're going to support

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Speaker 3: an indicted man who is indicted in a serious prosecution

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Speaker 3: for a serious federal crime that if anybody else did it,

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Speaker 3: they would go to jai, do not pass go. And

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Speaker 3: so it shows you the lie of the entire Republican field.

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Speaker 3: And I've said this now to a couple of reporters,

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Speaker 3: and I mean it. They are trying to make horseshit

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Speaker 3: into a horse race, right, They're trying to pretend that

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Speaker 3: this doesn't exist, that all the nominees are want to

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Speaker 3: of course I would consider pardoning Donald Trip, like Vivec

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Speaker 3: said today, True, we should clarify. Vivec now said he's pardoning. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry he's pardoning. Well, frankly, that makes it worse.

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Speaker 1: Well, he hasn't even been charged yet, right or he

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Speaker 1: and we hasn't. The indictment hasn't been unsealed.

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Speaker 3: Well, there is an indictment. The all the reporting is

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Speaker 3: you're going to see all these Republican candidates. They will

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Speaker 3: there's a litmus test now, and that litmus test will

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Speaker 3: be have you promised to either pardon Donald Trump or

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Speaker 3: have you promised to have Merrick Garland and Jack Smith

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Speaker 3: where Charlie Kirk comes out and says, we're going to

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Speaker 3: Miami on Tuesday, and if you're not there, every Republican candidate,

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Speaker 3: or we're going to make you an enemy, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is the brilliant thing about Trump World.

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Speaker 1: And by brilliant, I mean you know they eat clue,

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Speaker 1: but brilliant. They have figured out that they're just going

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Speaker 1: to make this about their guy versus everyone else. So like,

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Speaker 1: it's not their guy broke the law, it's the law

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Speaker 2: Going to be a straight And I think this is

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Speaker 2: going to kill all the other candidates. And it just.

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Speaker 3: Continually molly, molly. These other candidates were already dead. They

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Speaker 3: just don't They're just too dumb to lay down and

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Speaker 3: start stinking like roadkill. They were already dead. Not one

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Speaker 3: of them has a chance in hell in this political environment,

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Speaker 3: including Jeff Ro's pup meat puppet Rond de Santis. Okay,

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Speaker 3: he has no fucking chance the party.

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Speaker 1: I feel like if he gets higher lefts he might

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Speaker 3: I have a feeling if he showed up in a

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Speaker 3: glamorous ball gown with.

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Speaker 1: Long sleeves, with some long gloves, opera glass, long sleeves,

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot going on there.

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Speaker 2: If he could get a little tanner, he might.

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Speaker 1: I mean, perhaps this is really just about getting the

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Speaker 1: right shehd of orange.

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Speaker 3: It well could be, because if you saw Trump's video

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Speaker 3: a kitchen that was decked out in the colors of muca,

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Speaker 2: Goal is to always look like.

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Speaker 3: You know, the fact that the fact that people call

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Speaker 3: him yam tits does not go unnoticed.

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Speaker 1: I have not noticed that, but I think that is

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Speaker 1: our So while we do the very serious legal analysis

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Speaker 2: We will leave it on the word yam tits. Again.

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Speaker 1: This is obviously we can tell this is not cable news.

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Speaker 1: Let the record show Rick Wilson is bowing and saluting

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Speaker 2: Ron Klain is.

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Speaker 1: The former buying White House chief of Staff. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 4: Ron, good to be back.

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Speaker 1: When you came on the first time, we were just

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Speaker 1: starting up this new podcast, and now you have had

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. You know, really, when your White

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Speaker 5: second term for President Biden. You know, I'm proud of

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask you one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I thought was really incredible, and again, is this

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Speaker 1: a function of the Biden White House being really good

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Speaker 1: at what it does? Or is this a function of

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Speaker 1: Republicans being really bad at what they do or perhaps

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Speaker 1: a combination of both. But the dead ceiling drama, which

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Speaker 1: I mean, I really felt like there were people out

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Speaker 5: There was obviously a big gap between the Republican build

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Speaker 1: So now we're in this incredibly awful GOP primary where

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Speaker 5: I think my one consistant thing is Joe Biden's always underestimated.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Molly.

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Speaker 5: I mean again, I think people do underestimate him whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel the age issue with something? Again, pundit's

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Speaker 4: It's a question voters raise. It's a question that I

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are the things now that the Biden

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Speaker 5: Well, the President laid out his principles for artificial intelligence

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Speaker 4: I think it's very important.

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Speaker 5: Look, I don't think campaign should pay campaigns made ads

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Speaker 5: staff was majority female, first time ever the majority that

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Speaker 5: the senior staff was majority female, with high representation of

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Speaker 5: African Americans and Hispanics and AAPI people on the staff.

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Speaker 4: So I think, you know, a lot of it to.

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Speaker 5: Me was making sure we hired the right people, making

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Speaker 5: sure we had a diverse team. It's absolutely critical. I

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Speaker 5: had a talented team and I think we delivered that.

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Speaker 1: So on the last episode, we had Justin Wolfers on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. He's a professor with the University of Michigan,

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Speaker 1: very smart, and he just said this stuck with Jesse,

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Speaker 1: both Jesse and I. He said that we have a

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Speaker 1: recession vibe, but that we don't have recession job numbers

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Speaker 1: and we don't have many parts of this economy are actually.

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Speaker 4: We don't have a recession. We have a recession vibe.

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Speaker 4: I think Professor Wolfers is right.

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Speaker 5: I think you turn on the TV, you listen to cable,

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Speaker 5: all you hear is the recessions coming. You've been hearing

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Speaker 5: that for a year. Look, it may come. I can't

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Speaker 5: it can foresee the future with the crystal ball. But

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Speaker 5: we've been telling people that for a year, that the

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Speaker 5: recession is just around the corner. No wonder people are

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Speaker 5: unhappy with the economy because they've been told they should

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Speaker 5: be unhappy. In fact, reality is, we have, for the

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Speaker 5: first time in our history, eighteen months of unemployment below

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Speaker 5: four percent, eighteen months in a row. We have the

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Speaker 5: lowest Black unemployment in history, one of the lowest Hispanic

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Speaker 5: un employment numbers in history, the lowest female unemployment number

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Speaker 5: in history. People have jobs, incomes are rising, they're prepictly

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Speaker 5: rising for the people at the lower end of the

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Speaker 5: spectrum are often ignored. So the President said he build

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Speaker 5: a recovery from the bottom up in the middle out

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Speaker 5: It's exactly what's happening with a surge of manufacturing. So

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Speaker 5: none of this is a recession. And I think there's

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Speaker 5: just a lot of bad talking about the economy out

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Speaker 5: there that is definitely hitting people's psyche.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there is a chance for the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration to message more on the economy or do

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Speaker 1: you think it's one of those things where that there's

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Speaker 1: been so much bluster about the economy from previous administrations

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Speaker 1: that people don't listen to that.

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Speaker 5: I think it's hard to message through it, but I

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Speaker 5: think the president has to opt out this afternoon in

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Speaker 5: the Wall Street Journal that lays out his economic message

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Speaker 5: very clearly and persuasively. The facts are the facts, and

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Speaker 5: I hope people will continue to focus on the facts,

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Speaker 5: and I hope the administration continuities to sell this message.

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Speaker 5: But where we are, which not a perfect economy, prices

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Speaker 5: are too high. People are still feeling squeezed by that.

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Speaker 5: I understand that. But if you think about where we

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Speaker 5: were two years ago when Joe Biden took office, who

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Speaker 5: were lined up in parking lots to get a box

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Speaker 5: of food in the back of their car. An employment

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Speaker 5: rate was almost ten percent, a labor participation there were

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Speaker 5: people in the workforce was down significantly. Now our businesses

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Speaker 5: are open, our schools are open, we have a resurgence

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Speaker 5: of manufacturing like we haven't seen in this country in

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Speaker 5: forty years or more.

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Speaker 4: And those are.

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Speaker 5: Facts and realities that hopefully the ministrition could continue to

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Speaker 5: communicate and we'll eventually break through the voters.

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Speaker 2: Do you plan to go back into Biden world?

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Speaker 5: I'm going to volunteer and help on the camp, you know,

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Speaker 5: in my spare time, and whatever I can do to help,

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Speaker 5: I will, and we'll get present reelected and then we'll see.

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Speaker 5: I am definitely enjoying a better life now, being outside,

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Speaker 5: not having a twenty four to seven job, one more

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Speaker 5: time with my kids, and a little better health for myself.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm doing now. But I'm definitely going to

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Speaker 5: put my heart and soul into hoping to make sure

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Speaker 5: the president gets reelected.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about Jeff Science, who has your

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Speaker 1: job now.

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Speaker 5: Just doing a very good job. I think he did

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Speaker 5: an excellent job of now getting this debtlimit thing. I

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Speaker 5: think he's filling some gaps on the staff because of

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Speaker 5: the departures. He's doing a good job on that. I

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Speaker 5: have a lot of confidence in Jeff's leadership at the

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Speaker 5: White House.

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Speaker 1: The bagels. Do you think the bagels are good? Are

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Speaker 1: they as good as New York bagels?

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Speaker 5: I think the bagels are excellent. I'm trying to lower

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Speaker 5: my blood sugar because I don't eat as many.

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Speaker 3: As I do.

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Speaker 5: Call your mother bagels you ready, bagels are quite big bagels.

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Speaker 5: I will say it's hard to compat with New York bagels,

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Speaker 5: so they're very very good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, good. Thank you so much, Ron, and thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming on.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. Molly, keep up your good work.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Hey, good to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: First, I want to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Today was a sort of you know, the few sentences

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Speaker 1: make me more anxious than Supreme Court decisions coming down.

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Speaker 1: But this actually was a really exciting Supreme Court decision.

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Speaker 1: Will you talk a little bit about what it means

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Speaker 1: and what it is.

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Speaker 6: Turns out, Mollie, that there's some footnotes somewhere that says,

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Speaker 6: every time there's an orange sky in Washington, D C.

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Speaker 6: Roberts Court will decide before the Voting Rights Act. It

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Speaker 6: was a stunning decision. There has been very few through

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Speaker 6: lines more consistent in John Roberts's era on the Court

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Speaker 6: than his determination to whittle back federal protection for voting rights.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's a crusade that he was involved in

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Speaker 6: all the way back to the Reagan administration Justice Department,

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Speaker 6: and certainly in a whole series of cases, most important,

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Speaker 6: which of course was Shelby County a decade ago that

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Speaker 6: eliminated preclarentesce under the Voting Rights Act. He has in

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Speaker 6: all sorts of ways led decisions even before the current

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Speaker 6: super majority, as Mike Waldman calls it, that reduced and

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Speaker 6: retrenched federal voting rights protections, including one written by Alito

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Speaker 6: Bernovich a couple of years ago or maybe even last year,

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Speaker 6: that severely weakened a section two, the remaining section of

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Speaker 6: the Voting Rights Act. So it was surprising, to the

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Speaker 6: point of almost stunning, that Roberts and Kavanaugh joined the

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Speaker 6: three Democratic appointed justices today to basically strike down the

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Speaker 6: Alabama congressional map that diluted voting power for black residents

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Speaker 6: in the state about twenty seven percent of the voting

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Speaker 6: age population, but only one of the seven congressional seats

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Speaker 6: was drawn in a way that could elect a black representative,

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Speaker 6: and they said no, And rather shockingly so, there are

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Speaker 6: multiple other cases that are to varying degrees. You know,

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Speaker 6: as I wrote a few months ago. First of all,

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Speaker 6: there is an extraordinary amount of posts redistricting going on.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot that's still in flux in

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Speaker 6: a lot of different ways, having to do with state

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Speaker 6: elections and state supreme courts, but also federal lawsuits. And

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Speaker 6: there are Voting Rights Act or other claims of racial

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Speaker 6: discrimination against maps in multiple states. This could affect not

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Speaker 6: only Alabama, but potentially Louisiana, maybe Georgia, even Texas, South Carolina,

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Speaker 6: although I see Dave Wasserman thinks those last two may

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Speaker 6: be more difficult by the logic of this case. But

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Speaker 6: nonetheless it's a very significant ruling, particularly in an era

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Speaker 6: where neither sign can get very far beyond to eighteen.

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Speaker 6: You know, if we were back to when I first

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Speaker 6: started covering politics in the eighties or even the nineties,

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Speaker 6: when it was not unusual for one party the other

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Speaker 6: to amass over two hundred and thirty or even over

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Speaker 6: two hundred and forty, or in fact, in the eighties

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Speaker 6: over two hundred and fifty seats, you know, the possibility

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Speaker 6: that four or five seats might be affected by a

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Speaker 6: Voting Rights Act decision would be interesting, but not this positive.

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Speaker 6: Now it could easily tip the balance of power.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and in fact, a lot of people, including myself,

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Speaker 1: believe that had the New York redistricting not been thrown

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Speaker 1: out and Cuomo not had his last laugh by having

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Speaker 1: a nonpartisan redistricting, we might have a democratic House today.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's the combination, really, as others have said

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Speaker 6: and I've written, I think it's the combination of a

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Speaker 6: democratic majority state Supreme Court in New York throwing out

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Speaker 6: a democratic jerrymander, and a Republican majority state Supreme Court

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Speaker 6: in Florida not throwing out even more egregious republican jerrymander.

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Speaker 6: Those two things combined probably tip the majority in the

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Speaker 6: House infuriating.

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Speaker 2: So I want to ask you just one line.

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Speaker 1: I know you're not a court watcher, Well you're you

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Speaker 1: know this isn't exactly what you do. But are you

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Speaker 1: surprised to see brickhap There have been whispers that Kavanaugh

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Speaker 1: may not be as conservative, and again this is faint

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Speaker 1: praise as Amy Comi and Gorsuch. I mean, do you

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Speaker 1: think there's anything to that or do you think this

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Speaker 1: is just a whim Well?

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Speaker 6: I think you know, in general, you have a conservative

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Speaker 6: supermajority that is moving law to the right on a

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Speaker 6: whole series of fronts and will continue to do so.

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Speaker 6: But what this says to me is that Kavanaugh is

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Speaker 6: receptive to Robert's concerns about not seeming entirely to be

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Speaker 6: enlisted in the kind of political infantry of one party.

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Speaker 6: And I think, you know, we've seen other suggestions by

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Speaker 6: Kavanaugh elsewhere that you know he is concerned, he shares

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Speaker 6: some of Robert's concerns about the legitimacy of the Court.

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Speaker 6: I don't think this changes the fundamental trajectory of the Court.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's likely we're going to see something on

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Speaker 6: affirmative action. The thing about the Court that I've written

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Speaker 6: a couple times is that we we are in a

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Speaker 6: situation that is a lot like the eighteen fifties or

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Speaker 6: the nineteen thirties, where essentially you have a majority of

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Speaker 6: the Court that was appointed by the dominant political coalition

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Speaker 6: of an earlier era that is systematically working to block

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Speaker 6: the agenda of what is becoming the majority coalition in

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Speaker 6: the country today. So, in the eighteen fifties, seven of

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Speaker 6: the nine Supreme Court justices had been appointed by slaveholding

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Speaker 6: Democratic presidents at a time when the new Republican Party

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Speaker 6: was becoming the majority party. In the country by opposing

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Speaker 6: the expansion of slavery, and that court in dred Scott

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Speaker 6: basically made the core agenda of the new Republican Party

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Speaker 6: unconstitutional by saying that you could not ban the extension

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Speaker 6: of slavery to the territories. And then again in the

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Speaker 6: nineteen thirties, same thing when Roosevelt and the New Deal

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Speaker 6: coalition was becoming the majority, clearly the majority political coalition

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Speaker 6: in the country. Seven of the nine Supreme Court justices

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Speaker 6: when Roosevelt took office had been named by earlier Republican presidents,

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Speaker 6: and they systematically in the early years blocked the agenda

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Speaker 6: of this new majority until you have the switch in

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Speaker 6: time that save nine and nineteen thirty you know, nineteen

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Speaker 6: thirty seven, and they kind of switched. And I think

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Speaker 6: something of the same thing is happening. I mean, you

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Speaker 6: have six members of the Supreme Court that were nominated

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Speaker 6: and confirmed by Republicans who represent the parts of the

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Speaker 6: country that are least touched by demographic and cultural change,

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Speaker 6: and they are systematically ruling in a way that imposes

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Speaker 6: the values of that red America on blue America, which

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Speaker 6: is reflecting of the demographic change. And I just think

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Speaker 6: this caller is going to get tighter and tighter in

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Speaker 6: the years ahead. If this majority with today is a

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Speaker 6: notable exception, keeps telling these diverse, more secular, more LGBTQ

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Speaker 6: younger generation that you can't have any of the things

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Speaker 6: you're voting for. I don't know how that ends, you know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, like I said, the first time in the

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Speaker 6: eighteen fifties, we never got to see how this would

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Speaker 6: play out because we kind of had a civil war interrupted.

665
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Speaker 6: And then the second time, the court kind of abandoned

666
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Speaker 6: the effort to stop the agenda of the new majority.

667
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Speaker 6: But you have this very conservative majority that they may

668
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Speaker 6: be in place for ten more years. And if they

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Speaker 6: keep telling these young generations, which we're going to talk

670
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Speaker 6: about in a minute, that are becoming the dominant block

671
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Speaker 6: and the electorate. You can't regulate carbon emissions. Religious liberty

672
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 6: should allow people to evade civil rights laws. States can't

673
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 6: regulate guns. Red states can restrict what is taught in

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Speaker 6: classrooms or restrict treasure. If they keep doing that year

675
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Speaker 6: after year after year, you're going to see pressure build

676
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Speaker 6: up in a way that in those earlier instances. Ultimately

677
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Speaker 6: we've found a way out. Although certainly the first one

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Speaker 6: the Civil War. It's not exactly a.

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Speaker 1: Right a way out, yes, but I do think it's

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Speaker 1: a really good point that there's a real conflict between

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Speaker 1: what the Supreme Court was installed to do and what

682
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Speaker 1: the American people will let them do.

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Speaker 2: And again, I mean, especially.

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Speaker 6: If you look at younger generations. I mean, this court

685
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Speaker 6: is systematically positioning itself against not only the priorities, but

686
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Speaker 6: in many ways the identities of the generations that are

687
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Speaker 6: that are growing in the electric because they are the

688
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Speaker 6: most diverse generations in American history. They are the most

689
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Speaker 6: likely not to identify with any organized religion, they are

690
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Speaker 6: the most likely to identify as LGBTQ, you know, and

691
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Speaker 6: they are the most likely to be concerned about things

692
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Speaker 6: like climate. And you have this majority that reflects very

693
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Speaker 6: much another America that is kind of on the opposite

694
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Speaker 6: pole of all of those things. That is going to

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, over a period has been you know,

696
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Speaker 6: really since Roberts but potentially for at least another decade,

697
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Speaker 6: trying to impose the values of one America on this

698
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Speaker 6: other growing America. And I just think that is I mean,

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Speaker 6: who knows how that plays out, but Roosevelt. Roosevelt talked

700
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Speaker 6: about the phrase he used was the dead hand of

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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court, and Robert Jackson, who was one of

702
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Speaker 6: his justices on the spree Quart was later the Nuremberg prosecutor,

703
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 6: talked about how the Supreme Court is always the revenge

704
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Speaker 6: of the prior coalition on the new majority coalition because

705
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Speaker 6: people serve so long. That is very much what we

706
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Speaker 6: are living through now.

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Speaker 2: Jesus, that's so interesting. I hadn't heard that.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Ron DeSantis. You were a really

709
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Speaker 1: really interesting piece about Ron DeSantis, because what's so interesting

710
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Speaker 1: to me, and the thing I had been thinking about

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Speaker 1: for so long about Ron DeSantis was he seems like

712
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Speaker 1: such a bad candidate. I was kind of wondering why

713
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Speaker 1: the National Review crowd had gotten so excited and galvanized

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Speaker 1: behind him so quickly, and I thought it was just

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Speaker 1: trump Ism without Trump. But you had a pretty interesting take, right.

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Speaker 6: I think your answer is probably right for why the

717
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Speaker 6: National Review crowd is behind him, Not so much the

718
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Speaker 6: net Trumper's but kind of one degree off. In the

719
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Speaker 6: Republican Party, they don't believe you can beat Trump except

720
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Speaker 6: by emulating Trump, really, but they.

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Speaker 2: Like what Trump does. I mean, the fascism is not.

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Speaker 6: They just want somebod who can win. While doing all that,

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Speaker 6: I thought Desantus's first speech in Iowa, his kickoff speech

724
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Speaker 6: and an evangelical church outside of des Moines really encapsulated

725
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Speaker 6: both what Biden has to fear and what might save

726
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Speaker 6: him in twenty twenty four. Above all, I mean, the

727
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Speaker 6: reality is that we are moving deeper into the election

728
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Speaker 6: season without an appreciable improvement in Biden's approval rating. Right,

729
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Speaker 6: he is still stuck closer to forty than even forty five,

730
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Speaker 6: much less fifty. And you know, you continue to see

731
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Speaker 6: a big majority of voters saying they question whether he

732
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Speaker 6: has the physical and mental capacity to handle a second term.

733
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Speaker 6: I mean he has gotten a lot done. I mean

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Speaker 6: he continues to prove himself a really effective legislative president.

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Speaker 6: But the combination of inflation and age, I think, is

736
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Speaker 6: this big cloud that inhibits his ability to kind of

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Speaker 6: sell these accomplishments to the public.

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Speaker 1: I want to pause for a minute here and have

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Speaker 1: real talk with you for two seconds, because I think

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Speaker 1: you and I have very similar political leanings, but you

741
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Speaker 1: have much more history and I think much more informed.

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Speaker 1: But why are his approval ratings. Why are is numbers

743
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Speaker 1: so bad when he actually is clearly I mean, just

744
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Speaker 1: at every.

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Speaker 6: Very effective president.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, as I said, I think there are two principal reasons.

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Speaker 6: I think inflation colors everything on the economic side. And

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Speaker 6: I think inflation is clearly the reason he's not getting

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Speaker 6: more credit for this great job growth and as well

751
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Speaker 6: as the manufacturing boom that he is and the investment

752
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Speaker 6: boom that his agenda has put in motion. So I

753
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Speaker 6: think inflation kind of eclipses a lot of the other

754
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Speaker 6: things that could benefit him by the end before twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty place. But I think I think it's and I

756
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Speaker 6: think it's the age. I think people many of the

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Speaker 6: Democratic polsters and strategies that I talked to are frustrated

758
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Speaker 6: but now resigned to the doubts about his age, not

759
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Speaker 6: really dissipating by or. I think they were more optimistic

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Speaker 6: when he took office that the voters would see him

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Speaker 6: being effective and that would kind of dispel the concerns

762
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Speaker 6: about whether he is physically and mentally up to this.

763
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Speaker 6: But it hasn't right, and if anything, they are remaining

764
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Speaker 6: remarkably stable. And I think it's those two things. Myself

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Speaker 6: inflation and age that prevents him from getting credit for

766
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Speaker 6: what he has achieved. That doesn't mean, however, that in

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Speaker 6: the literally half dozen states where you're going to be

768
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Speaker 6: spending eight billion dollars, that you can't sell those achievements

769
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Speaker 6: more than we see in a national poll. But I

770
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Speaker 6: do think that for Democratic strategists, the concerns about Biden's

771
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Speaker 6: age have proven more durable and harder to dispel than

772
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Speaker 6: they hoped originally. So like, so to go back to DeSantis, then,

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Speaker 6: I mean, like, if you start off, if you watch

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Speaker 6: DeSantis's first speech that he gave in Iowa, the first

775
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Speaker 6: fifteen minutes with the occasional Descentian flourish about medical authoritarianism

776
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Speaker 6: or cultural Marxism. Notwithstanding that the first fifteen minutes was

777
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Speaker 6: a pretty generic Republican case against Biden.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that we've seen with DeSantis is

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Speaker 1: that he is very involved in COVID.

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Speaker 2: Do people really give a shit about COVID?

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Speaker 6: Still he does do COVID, but mostly he does. You know,

782
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 6: the cost of living is too high, crime is too high,

783
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 6: the border's out of control, and they messed up withdrawing

784
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Speaker 6: from Afghanistan. It was fairly generic. I mean, it was

785
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Speaker 6: like what any Republican nomine he would deliver it. In

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Speaker 6: some ways, it was even more generic than that Molly

787
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Speaker 6: in the sense that it's what any out party, the

788
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Speaker 6: party out of the White House, is always going to say.

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Speaker 6: The President has messed things up, and I will make

790
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Speaker 6: them better by reversing his policies. And like, after fifteen minutes,

791
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Speaker 6: given where Biden's rover rating is, you could imagine there

792
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Speaker 6: were a lot of swing voters who are kind of

793
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Speaker 6: nodding their head, going yeah, you know, you know, I

794
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 6: kind of thought things were going to be better, and

795
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Speaker 6: I'm not really happy about the way things are going

796
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Speaker 6: on this that or the other front. But Desandas didn't

797
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Speaker 6: stop there. I mean, he kept talking for another half hour,

798
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Speaker 6: and the next half hour was kind of the woke Olympics,

799
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Speaker 6: almost to borrow from his phrase. I mean, it was

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Speaker 6: we are stopping transgender girls from competing in sports, and

801
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Speaker 6: we are not backing down to Disney, and we are

802
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Speaker 6: standing up against DEI, ESG and CRT. I kept thinking

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Speaker 6: of the song from Hair. You know, LB Goal took

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Speaker 6: the irt and we banned abortion after six weeks, and

805
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Speaker 6: we made it so you could have concealed Caro, you know,

806
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Speaker 6: no one, you know, one needs a permit to carry

807
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Speaker 6: a gun. And you know, it really struck me that

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Speaker 6: after fifteen minutes that a lot of swing voters might

809
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Speaker 6: be nodding yes, that they're not satisfied with Biden's America,

810
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Speaker 6: but after another thirty minutes, they might be questioning whether

811
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Speaker 6: they really wanted to live in the America that DeSantis

812
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Speaker 6: was sketching. And you know, that is basically what we

813
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Speaker 6: saw in twenty two. I mean, how did Democrats win

814
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Speaker 6: governorships and Senate races in states where Biden's approval was

815
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Speaker 6: well below fifty where three quarters or more of the

816
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Speaker 6: public described the economy in negative terms, and where majorities

817
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Speaker 6: said they did not want Biden to run again. That

818
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Speaker 6: should not have happened by historical yardsticks. Why did it happen.

819
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Speaker 6: It happened because there was an historically unprecedented number of

820
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Speaker 6: people who said they disapproved of Biden or were dissatisfied

821
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Speaker 6: with the economy, who voted for Democrats anyway because they

822
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Speaker 6: considered the Republican alternative too extreme. And it seemed to

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Speaker 6: me listening to desanis you saw that in just one

824
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Speaker 6: hour speech both the risk to Biden that you can

825
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Speaker 6: make a case to voters, well, you know, things aren't

826
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Speaker 6: going as well as you hope, it's really time for

827
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Speaker 6: a change, and then by the time they get finished, like,

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Speaker 6: is this really a change that you want? And I

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Speaker 6: thought it was just an excellent kind of distillation of

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Speaker 6: both the strengths and challenges facing the Republicans as they

831
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Speaker 6: move forward. And by the way, of course, Dessantus's choice

832
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Speaker 6: is that he is trying to run at Trump from

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Speaker 6: the right to the extent differentiating from Trump, it is

834
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Speaker 6: always maybe maybe always to his right. So from the

835
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Speaker 6: point of view of Democrats, you know, this could not

836
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Speaker 6: be unfolding in a better way. Either Trump wins or

837
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Speaker 6: DeSantis wins by making himself essentially even even more clearly

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Speaker 6: identified with Trump business.

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Speaker 1: It tends to be that they don't throw out the

840
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Speaker 1: incumbent unless there's something really wrong.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well again we have not. Traditionally, the best yardstick

842
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Speaker 6: of what the incumbent is going to get is his

843
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 6: approval rating, right, and when people are dissatisfied with the incumbent,

844
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 6: they find a way to swallow whatever reservations they have

845
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Speaker 6: about the challenger. In nineteen eighty first presidential race.

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Speaker 3: I wrote about it all.

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Speaker 6: Carter put enormous effort into making Reagan unacceptable, and certainly

848
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Speaker 6: in ninety two Bush there were ads with buzzards like

849
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Speaker 6: you know, on these apocalyptic landscapes in Arkansas, with like buzzards.

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Speaker 6: You know, he tried to make Clinton unacceptable, but because

851
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Speaker 6: voters did not want to continue on the course they

852
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Speaker 6: were on, they ultimately found a way to get to

853
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Speaker 6: convincing themselves that the alternative was acceptable. As I remember

854
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 6: writing in ninety two, stability is risk. That was the

855
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Speaker 6: challenge that Bush faced. Well, you know, that could happen again.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I mean, if Biden's overrating stays

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Speaker 6: in the low forties, there's no question there is a

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Speaker 6: risk that he loses, because historically the odds have been

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Speaker 6: that he loses. But the twenty two president is the

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Speaker 6: reason Democrats are not lighting their hair on fire, because

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Speaker 6: we saw exactly this model tested where we're talking about

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Speaker 6: states where Biden was in the low forties and Democrats

863
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Speaker 6: won gubernatorial and Senate races, which is very unusual in

864
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Speaker 6: modern political history. And it was because these Trump style

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Speaker 6: candidates were viewed as two extreme and so if you're

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Speaker 6: thinking about Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona the states

867
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Speaker 6: and maybe Nevada. Maybe those six some combination of those

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Speaker 6: six states are going to pick the president in all likelihood.

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Speaker 6: We've just run the test where Democrats were able to

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Speaker 6: win not every state wide race, but most state wide

871
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Speaker 6: races in all of those states at a moment where

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Speaker 6: Biden's overratting was at a level where they should have lost.

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Speaker 6: And so that's why I think Democrats are relatively sanguine

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Speaker 6: about where things are. But again, as I said earlier,

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Speaker 6: the persistence of unease with his age, I think is

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Speaker 6: unnerving to some of the Democratic strategists. So Linda Lake,

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Speaker 6: who called for him in twenty twenty, laid down an

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Speaker 6: important marker in that story to me where she said

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Speaker 6: Biden did not have to get to fifty percent approval

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Speaker 6: to win reelection. In her view, that he only needed

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Speaker 6: to be viewed more favorably than his alternative. You know,

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Speaker 6: like Biden says, don't judge me next to the Almighty,

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Speaker 6: judge me next to the alternative. And that's the first

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Speaker 6: time I've heard anybody around Biden say he did not

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Speaker 6: need to get back to fifty approval to win. So

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Speaker 6: just kind of file that away because it does suggest

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Speaker 6: that they are looking at the dynamic we saw in

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Speaker 6: twenty two, especially in these key states.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, We ran way over because you're

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Speaker 1: so great.

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Speaker 3: A moment and thick.

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Speaker 2: Cannon I judged fast. So the Supreme Court actually did

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Speaker 2: something good today.

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Speaker 3: And funny enough, we really see how much Republicans fuckery

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Speaker 3: does that work from it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so pretty interesting development. Everyone is completely pleasantly shocked,

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Speaker 1: just as keg.

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Speaker 2: Stand as we lovingly call him.

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Speaker 1: And Justice Roberts sided with the liberals on the Court

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Speaker 1: basically saying it's unconstitutional to have a sort of racist

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Speaker 1: jerry mander for lack of a better word. And so

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Speaker 1: here we are because the House is so tight, and

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Speaker 1: the because the seats are so tight, this four seats

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Speaker 1: or five seats could actually change the makeup of the House.

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Speaker 2: And this is political report.

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Speaker 1: In the wake of the Scotus Alabama decision, we're shifting

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Speaker 1: five House rankings to in the Democrats direction. It's very

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Speaker 1: likely two formerly solid red seats will end up in

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Speaker 1: solid D. So if those five seats all shift and

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Speaker 1: nothing else changes, Democrats will win the House, and we

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Speaker 1: like that because Republicans and the House are stupid.

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Speaker 2: This is our moment of fuck right. That's it for.

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Speaker 1: This episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: and Friday to hear the best minds in politics makes

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