Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done.
Speaker 4: Done, Hello, we are here s I've done this eight
Speaker 4: hundred times.
Speaker 2: I can't believe this just happened to me. This is
Speaker 2: thats messed up an sv podcast. And I am Lisa Trigger.
Speaker 1: And I'm Kark Gleg and this is our two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty third episode and Lisa is.
Speaker 3: Not knowing how the name of the bob what happened.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the name of the episode we're covering,
Speaker 2: and it broke my brain. So I'm looking at our
Speaker 2: sheet and I'm like, what's going on here? But I
Speaker 2: do know the name of our podcast, and I wear
Speaker 2: our merch everywhere like I It is embarrassing because sometime,
Speaker 2: like I said, at soul Cycle, people be like, hey,
Speaker 2: love the pod.
Speaker 3: And I'm wearing an icy sweatshirt holding.
Speaker 2: Do you have a children detective bag? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I need to get out of here.
Speaker 1: No, I love it. And speaking of merch, by the way, everybody,
Speaker 1: you have to go see Lisa on tour because she
Speaker 1: is selling Did I make it to the fridge, Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh you're on my fridge. Baby baby Lisa will be
Speaker 1: looking at me on my fridge forever. She's right next
Speaker 1: to Honestly, this all ties in perfectly. She's right next
Speaker 1: to my magnet that I got from an amazing listener.
Speaker 1: That is the woman from It's Isabella Rossolini from Death
Speaker 1: becomes her as well as Meryl Street from She Devil.
Speaker 1: You're like in between them. Lisa is selling magnets of
Speaker 1: her baby Lisa in front of her awl collection and
Speaker 1: it's an amazing magnet.
Speaker 3: So you need to go to see her on tour
Speaker 3: so that you can buy that.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, because it is a Mythsvah, you
Speaker 2: said that, And if you've seen me live, you know
Speaker 2: I've been talking about it. The magnets are so heavy.
Speaker 2: I'm so so mad at Kara. We've been selling magnets
Speaker 2: for the podcast for years. Not a peep, not a peep.
Speaker 2: Every club I go to that got the box, they
Speaker 2: were like, what the fuck is in there? That's the
Speaker 2: heaviest box we've ever got. And it's a small box.
Speaker 2: That's what's crazy. It's a small box. That weighs I
Speaker 2: would say sixty pounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the box is wild because it is like a
Speaker 1: very small box that's just packed with magnets.
Speaker 3: It's so heavy.
Speaker 1: But I don't bring the whole box, like when we
Speaker 1: go on tour, I just bring. I usually bring what I.
Speaker 3: Think you to be a little more organized than that.
Speaker 2: Because the week before I was in Portland, I go, oh,
Speaker 2: I should have merch huh. And then I also like,
Speaker 2: also people come to see me that haven't seen the specials,
Speaker 2: so they're like, what is this, or they someone came
Speaker 2: from survival, and so then it's like it's also fully
Speaker 2: out of context. It's assuming so much onto the person.
Speaker 2: But I just like magnets I buy. I loved our
Speaker 2: magnets we sold, and I love Broadway magnets.
Speaker 1: Yeah they're so cute. Oh my god, wait what you
Speaker 1: just saying?
Speaker 3: That minds me that you saw death becomes her, that
Speaker 3: I saw death becomes her, and you told me how
Speaker 3: great the merch was.
Speaker 1: And I didn't even go by the merch table. Fuck
Speaker 1: I had I had had a little bit of worry.
Speaker 1: I bought two pin sets. Okay, they were so too
Speaker 1: Maybe I can have one like I I we went
Speaker 1: and like I got I had a little bit of
Speaker 1: wine before and then I got the like the big
Speaker 1: wine there that comes in the little Death Becomes Her,
Speaker 1: like cup, You got the cup? Yeah, but I left
Speaker 1: it at my friend's house. I was like, you can
Speaker 1: have a set, you know, and and I like, I
Speaker 1: think I was just a little bit buzzed, and I
Speaker 1: didn't go to the fuck Now, I'm so mad I
Speaker 1: didn't go to the merch table. But honestly, what what
Speaker 1: a wreck I've been telling anyone that will fucking listen.
Speaker 1: Death Becomes Her was one of the best musicals I've
Speaker 1: seen on Broadway. I usually don't see something I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: most of the musicals I've seen, I kind of know
Speaker 1: a little bit of the music before I go, Like,
Speaker 1: I knew none of the music. I thought the music
Speaker 1: was so good. I thought the staging was so good.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the main woman that plays the Goldie
Speaker 1: Hawn part. I guess she was out that day. But
Speaker 1: I saw Megan Hilty and Michelle Williams from I think
Speaker 1: Megen Hilty is the main one. No, there's another woman
Speaker 1: who's like a Broadway legend that plays the other one.
Speaker 3: But like she was out that day.
Speaker 1: But still the girl who played her was amazing, Like
Speaker 1: the understudy was sickening. They were so good, Like I
Speaker 1: just loved it. Maybe I was buzzed, but I loved
Speaker 1: every second of it.
Speaker 2: No, And as a lover of the movie, I thought
Speaker 2: there would be moments of disappointment or confusion or I
Speaker 2: don't know, and I felt none of that. But it's
Speaker 2: so funny. So I just got my gray covered. And
Speaker 2: my hairstylist she loved it. But she her daughter, who's
Speaker 2: only like four or six sick. I don't know, ages
Speaker 2: are hard, but a child, No, she's six, because she's yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm like remembering where she is in school and reading.
Speaker 2: Okay, Anyways, she loved the music, so she actually took
Speaker 2: her child, who's seen it now twice, who loved it?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 2: And then she's like, I don't know if I could
Speaker 2: show her the movie, because it's true, once you see.
Speaker 3: The musical at my be hard to Yeah, especially as
Speaker 3: a child.
Speaker 1: Well that's so funny because when I was watching it,
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if Rosie would like this,
Speaker 1: Like I would love to bring Rosie to this.
Speaker 2: And then I loved the set I feel like Rosie
Speaker 2: would love the set and the darkness and like the
Speaker 2: effects of it all.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think Oscar might be my Broadway baby.
Speaker 1: Like Oscar is always asking me to play Wicked.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean the guy, the little guy who's wearing
Speaker 2: a Frozen dress.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he might be the Broadway might be my musical guy.
Speaker 1: Just saying he might be, I'm I know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make a huge swing here and say he might be.
Speaker 1: Like like I was like thinking this summer, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be in New York, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: should take him to a musical. But I would I
Speaker 1: like to say, so something that's not Lion King. I
Speaker 1: don't feel the need to see Lion King a second
Speaker 1: time and before, But why.
Speaker 2: Don't you just go to theater that's not Broadway that's
Speaker 2: geared towards children that are that young, Cause it's like
Speaker 2: that's like, ugh, Like I don't know, I've gone to
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff like that, and it's just more
Speaker 2: it's straight for the kids.
Speaker 1: Like I'd like to go to something that we both enjoy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like if they were doing
Speaker 1: Frozen on Broadway, which I think they did, do, Like,
Speaker 1: I bet we'd both enjoy that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But like I think right now, people let me know
Speaker 1: if there's something that you think a four.
Speaker 2: Year old is there, like a turtle? Yeah, like I
Speaker 2: would maybe six. He might like six because there's no intermission.
Speaker 2: I think it was just one.
Speaker 3: Act and the pop yeah, the gay pop is and Juliet.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, that's right. Six is like but it
Speaker 3: is there's not much plot.
Speaker 2: It's like each girl sings, but he's into dresses and
Speaker 2: they do look very yeah, and.
Speaker 1: They look beautiful. Okay, that's what he likes, beautiful things,
Speaker 1: as he likes.
Speaker 2: To say, I feel like six is really beautiful. But
Speaker 2: also in death becomes like the sexiness of the dancers.
Speaker 3: Those outfits are so cool. Oh I did.
Speaker 1: I kept saying, look how hot these fucking dancers are,
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't believe how hot everyone was.
Speaker 3: I can.
Speaker 2: And of course the guy who plays Ernest, that's an
Speaker 2: svulm he is.
Speaker 1: Okay, I brought my prom home because I didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance.
Speaker 3: We got there like with only a few minutes.
Speaker 1: I usually have more time to like scan my program
Speaker 1: and see who everybody is.
Speaker 2: And he's Sex in the City. I'm pretty sure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's in Sex in the City. He's the guy who
Speaker 2: works at Helena Rubinstein who goes down on the women
Speaker 2: but doesn't go down on Samantha and she gets him
Speaker 2: fired the women's luncheon. So I mostly remember him from
Speaker 2: Sex and the City of being the massage therapist.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, now I'm looking up who this guy is. Oh,
Speaker 1: Christopher Cyber. Okay, who is he on SVU?
Speaker 3: I need to know?
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I recognize him. Oh my god, totally. I
Speaker 1: didn't recgnize him in the musical because you're wearing a
Speaker 1: fucking mustache. Well, there was one complaint I had, but
Speaker 1: I didn't want to mention.
Speaker 3: Yes, I wanted to do it. I was. I was
Speaker 3: watching the musical going, I wonder what Lisa's complaint is.
Speaker 2: So I just feel like Isabella Rossellini is so sexual
Speaker 2: and sexy and powerful, and I think Michelle Williams hit
Speaker 2: her notes like sounds incredible, was regal, and hit her
Speaker 2: jokes to her too, like the timing was amazing, but
Speaker 2: like she was stiff.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I just fine.
Speaker 2: I agree because the people that I said that to,
Speaker 2: their kind of response was like, but the dancers and
Speaker 2: everyone else was so sexy and she just did a
Speaker 2: different thing, and I get that, but I just am
Speaker 2: really into Isabella Wrestlingi's character, and I was just I
Speaker 2: was a little thrown off by just that.
Speaker 3: But that's so minor from a movie I love.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree with what you're saying because that's true,
Speaker 1: Like she was kind of just standing there, but that's
Speaker 1: like famously, I think she is like the least sort
Speaker 1: of charismatic destiny child, I will say, but I thought
Speaker 1: her voice kind of covered for it because she sounded amazing,
Speaker 1: Like she sounded so good and I don't know, she
Speaker 1: has a huge reaction when the curtain opens, and it's
Speaker 1: heart like I mean, I but but I agree, Like,
Speaker 1: imagine somebody like who takes over for her that has
Speaker 1: like the voice and the sexual like like be it,
Speaker 1: like you know, vibe.
Speaker 3: I could see that really crushing Tony Orb.
Speaker 2: I did just see a video on my Instagram where
Speaker 2: it was like they were performing something at an award
Speaker 2: show for Michael Jackson, but Beyonce's obvious. In the middle,
Speaker 2: it's Kelly and Michelle, but Michelle's hat falls off and
Speaker 2: Kelly what a professional quick on her feet throws her
Speaker 2: hat off too, so it doesn't look weird. And I
Speaker 2: was like that, bitch, wow, backing up your girl. I
Speaker 2: like loved it well because it would have looked weird,
Speaker 2: just like I like that on The Fly Present Saturday,
Speaker 2: Theater of It.
Speaker 1: Okay, Just to bring it all full circle, Chris for Cyber,
Speaker 1: the guy who is in death becomes her as earnest.
Speaker 1: He is in patrimonial burden with our girl, Geneva Carr,
Speaker 1: who we interviewed, and I think she's the He's the
Speaker 1: husband of the family like that has the kids that
Speaker 1: they're married, like the Dougger family.
Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, it was interesting. Well, it's so funny because
Speaker 2: the moment I saw him, I turned to who I
Speaker 2: was with and I went SVU and then later looked
Speaker 2: at the program. She's like, you were right, and I
Speaker 2: was like, well, I never questioned if I was right. Well,
Speaker 2: I do have something to say, yes pertaining to Luigi obviously,
Speaker 2: Bah Papa Luigi report. I'm not going to do everything
Speaker 2: I do want to say, Like news came out about
Speaker 2: how there's all these porns made with him and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. It's not real. It's Toronto's son. It's the
Speaker 2: Daily Mail. It's not one credit the source has done that. Second,
Speaker 2: people are despicable that would have been out in the
Speaker 2: open immediately. And third it's counter to everything we've heard
Speaker 2: about everyone in his life, like it's just not it.
Speaker 2: And there's old tweet like that's not his opition. I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just wrong and I'm gonna find that
Speaker 2: guy when I'm in Toronto's you better watch out.
Speaker 3: I saw it as a meme.
Speaker 1: I saw it as a meme of like a girl
Speaker 1: being like you hear Luigi's in a bunch of pornos,
Speaker 1: like searching the computer, you know, like more of like
Speaker 1: a he's hot.
Speaker 3: It's just no.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: I looked at all the sources. It was like three magazines,
Speaker 2: all not real. So I'll Radmax. But it's also just
Speaker 2: like it just doesn't that doesn't make sense. But also
Speaker 2: what I found out that this is what I really
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about, but I knew people would would.
Speaker 2: People are sending me a lot of stuff, and I
Speaker 2: love that.
Speaker 3: I'm really in the loop. I'm knowing at all.
Speaker 2: But my big thing Karen, who is his attorney, She's incredible.
Speaker 2: She was like the da of Manhattan just seems really incredible.
Speaker 2: I went to the legal pages reading about the law firm.
Speaker 2: They also have like a few lawyers I just wanted
Speaker 2: to read. And she was a consultant for Law and order.
Speaker 2: Is a consultant for law and order. She might be
Speaker 2: a little too busy now I wonder if they're bothering her,
Speaker 2: but yeah, kind of exciting consultant for law and order.
Speaker 1: Love that love that connection. I knew I loved her
Speaker 1: to begin with. So is she's Ditty's lawyer or her husband?
Speaker 3: Is her husband?
Speaker 5: Is?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: I think it would be crazy to do two giant
Speaker 2: cases at the same time when it's right, that's true.
Speaker 3: That's true, that would be crazy. But do you think
Speaker 3: these two people.
Speaker 1: Ever see each other? Like she's representing Luigi, he's representing Diddy.
Speaker 1: What is a fucking dinner between them?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: I would love to know. I bet they bring work home.
Speaker 2: I bt I bet they each have their own office.
Speaker 2: I have bet it's a sprawling apartment leather. I think
Speaker 2: it reminds me of like I want the green desk
Speaker 2: library lamp, you know, like I'm imagining that kind of vibe.
Speaker 1: But it's also kind of like I bet they watched
Speaker 1: White Lotus. Yeah, like, does it remind you of like
Speaker 1: that guy James Carville and like his wife, like how
Speaker 1: they're like the famous Republican Democrat couple. Like she's defending
Speaker 1: this guy who like is like a modern day Robinhood
Speaker 1: of sorts that people are really like lionizing and like,
Speaker 1: and then he's.
Speaker 2: Defending doctor Michael Batten ended up marrying one of like
Speaker 2: Casey Anthony's a herne Is and Phil Spector's you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, and not marrying dating he left his
Speaker 2: wife for this woman.
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, it's just like I mean, everybody
Speaker 1: deserves a defect.
Speaker 3: That's like what lawyers. Yeah, yeah, lawyers know that everybody
Speaker 3: deserves a defense. But I met they don't even talk
Speaker 3: about it. I'm shocked.
Speaker 2: She even hyphenated her name to include his, to be honest,
Speaker 2: Karen Friedman Agni filo.
Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, Well she's amazing.
Speaker 2: Of course she's involved with law and order, like lawn
Speaker 2: order is the best, so why wouldn't they use the best.
Speaker 2: So that's exciting. Well I did, I did you love
Speaker 2: it or leave it? Which I could. I never thought
Speaker 2: i'd be able to do. And I'm so excited. I
Speaker 2: did it, but I talked about Luigi a lot, and
Speaker 2: it is upper crust in a way where I'm like,
Speaker 2: maybe someone told Karen about it, and I did advocate.
Speaker 2: I did advocate, and I was losing some of the
Speaker 2: people and John was in a too. But there was
Speaker 2: like a row of three gaze that were just like
Speaker 2: we were connected in a way that I could not believe.
Speaker 3: That's you could see the three gays.
Speaker 1: Because I always whenever I do love it or leave
Speaker 1: it at that theater, I can't see anybody in the audience.
Speaker 1: They keep it so dark, so I'm always like, is
Speaker 1: this hitting? Like I can never tell.
Speaker 2: No, I had the time in my life and we'll
Speaker 2: do some celebri updates. So Jesse Tyler ferguson Modern Family.
Speaker 2: I also on an episode of el Sbeth recently. Okay,
Speaker 2: so noone else I mentioned it to him. He was like, okay,
Speaker 2: but walked in going already watched this, He goes, I
Speaker 2: already watched the special.
Speaker 3: Loved it. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I told all my friends about it. They've already seen it.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm late to the game.
Speaker 3: Oh I go. Jesse Tyler Ferguson you're right on time.
Speaker 3: You're right on time, honey.
Speaker 2: But then obviously I'm a bad girl and I'm comfortable
Speaker 2: at Dynasty as you are.
Speaker 3: So I'm smoking weed back there. I've been walking on stage.
Speaker 2: I heard him go, oh my god, it smells like
Speaker 2: and then he came back out and was like, wow,
Speaker 2: it's pretty weedy back there, and like, yeah, I'm actually
Speaker 2: going there tomorrow. He was the coolest person I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And then his he walked away and I took told
Speaker 2: the I looked at his pr person, I go, what
Speaker 2: an angel and she goes, He's my favorite. He's so incredible,
Speaker 2: and he was like making little jokes, but he knew
Speaker 2: who he was. He wasn't like fake humble where he
Speaker 2: doesn't know he's Jesse Tyler Fergus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just.
Speaker 2: Was making me laugh and make me feel so good,
Speaker 2: and I just like, it just made me really happy.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's that. I love Modern Family. It's a
Speaker 1: great show. Oh my gossip, my flag race. He was
Speaker 1: a judge on season five. I go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: not the best season, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Whoa he got in there early. Oh I love it, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, and then friend of the pod Laura Bananti, posted
Speaker 2: about the special and DMed me we DM. I don't
Speaker 2: think she remembers she was on our podcast, but I.
Speaker 3: Saw her post about it. She doesn't remember. Well, she
Speaker 3: you should have been like, girl, you had a yoga
Speaker 3: mat on your head.
Speaker 2: I remember, it's one of our favorite memories. But she
Speaker 2: was just so I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe
Speaker 2: it dead. So that's amazing. Well night, now, I was
Speaker 2: still streaming on Netflix. Everybody, get your butts to the
Speaker 2: Netflix to the I know I'm I usually try to
Speaker 2: be demure, but I have been way more vocal to strangers.
Speaker 2: I told the woman who does my laundry May. She
Speaker 2: was like, so, what do you do. You're traveling, you're in,
Speaker 2: you're out, And I uh, I said, honey, I'll show
Speaker 2: you what I do. Why don't you look at Well
Speaker 2: she goes, I'll ask my granddaughter. And I go, well,
Speaker 2: how old is she? And she's twenty one?
Speaker 1: So I go, okay, okay, okay, yeah, let's not let's
Speaker 1: not go too young.
Speaker 3: Wait.
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to be at Dynasty tomorrow night. Not
Speaker 1: that this is a promo, because this is happening. This
Speaker 1: episode's coming out after this happens. But I'm opening for
Speaker 1: a comedian who I've never heard of but has like
Speaker 1: a big social media following.
Speaker 3: And her name is Shannon Fiebler. Oh my, not the
Speaker 3: Hoffs who produced my special produced hers.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah yeah yeah, I'm I were tomorrow night
Speaker 1: at Dynasty. So yeah, she's like pregnant. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if they like wanted a mom or whatever, but
Speaker 1: you can bring up the Hoffs. Yeah, okay, we'll do Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wait, I can't even believe it.
Speaker 2: That's why I mean, Dinasty is a great venue if
Speaker 2: you guys live in La, around La. Their programming is incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're so comedy like performer friendly. I mean, the snacks
Speaker 2: in the back alone are you're the best.
Speaker 3: It's like fall of size candy bars.
Speaker 1: First of all, that's where we did our first live
Speaker 1: show ever, not counting the one in my backyard.
Speaker 3: That was where we did our first live show ever.
Speaker 1: And they're just like, they're so nice to me when
Speaker 1: I go there just to see something, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like some venues it's like if you're not
Speaker 1: on the lineup, they don't really they're like okay, but
Speaker 1: everybody's like always so nice and like what can we get, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I love that venue. So shout out
Speaker 1: to Dynasty Typewriter. If you live in LA, do check
Speaker 1: out their calendar. They're the best. But I went to
Speaker 1: New York speaking of like comedy, I was in LA
Speaker 1: last week. If we were in LA, we crossed planes.
Speaker 1: Our planes high fived on the way past each other.
Speaker 1: And well, first of all, a really quick shout out.
Speaker 1: I know we already did this, but it was fake
Speaker 1: because it was in the time machine. But thank you
Speaker 1: to everybody that came to our DC show. We had
Speaker 1: such a great time. It was such a fun show,
Speaker 1: Like I had a blast and.
Speaker 2: Great crowds in DC, and we were happy to be
Speaker 2: there because truly, yeah, they are feeling the bleakness pretty hard,
Speaker 2: feeling it. But it's like a lot of these people
Speaker 2: work in the government and yeahah and even everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even talking to my friends that live there, I
Speaker 1: was like, what's it like to be here? They were like,
Speaker 1: it's like it's probably, I mean, it's probably we're all
Speaker 1: feeling it. But I think to live in like the
Speaker 1: belly of the Beast is like tough, you know, so
Speaker 1: they're like everyone we know, Like my friend's like I'm
Speaker 1: getting a call every Friday of people getting laid off.
Speaker 3: It's like really really tough.
Speaker 2: So I know it feels so hopeless, and I also
Speaker 2: and it is so big, and it's all the news
Speaker 2: is bad. I do have a new glimmer of hope,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if I'm being a fool. I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna start fucking people over faster than we
Speaker 2: think that like him, that they're gonna revolt. I think
Speaker 2: he's gonna fuck with the rich, the tariff, like, I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna crash the economy so bad, and I
Speaker 2: think we're all gonna suffer a lot. But I think
Speaker 2: he's gonna fuck over his rich friends and his fan
Speaker 2: base quicker and they're gonna be angrier into the scar hyena.
Speaker 3: But this is just this morning. But I also don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem is like because you're what you're saying
Speaker 1: is pretty much absolutely true, Like that is going to happen,
Speaker 1: I feel. But the problem is what I was reading
Speaker 1: this morning is that just like the their media, like
Speaker 1: the right wing media, is like he's killing it.
Speaker 2: He's crushing so like people I'm talking about, yea, that
Speaker 2: are the reason they both looking at the Yeah, and
Speaker 2: once we're all fucked and we're not shopping and we
Speaker 2: can't you know, the Canada, all this stuff is happening. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the things are plummeting whatever, the stocks are plummeting, like
Speaker 2: I plummeted. Yeah, I feel like once, I think the
Speaker 2: rich people are about to get fucked faster than they thought,
Speaker 2: because he truly is a fool, Like he's a bankrupting fool.
Speaker 2: He's not smart, like he's a lunatic who actually you know,
Speaker 2: they all think like, oh, I'm going to get this
Speaker 2: out of him or this or use but like, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, he'll throw them all under
Speaker 2: the bus for anything and anybody. And I do feel
Speaker 2: like he's gonna fuck them over and even the poor.
Speaker 2: They might keep blaming Biden, but eventually, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just think they're all going to get fucked with faster,
Speaker 2: Like it seems like there's such immediate consequences to all
Speaker 2: this budget cutting and firing. Yeah, but I think that
Speaker 2: the hillbilly trash, I think we're gonna get fucked with faster.
Speaker 2: But you're right, Media and propaganda and being an occult
Speaker 2: is strong and it could take a long time. But
Speaker 2: for some reason I had a glimmer of hope. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean no, I think that's good to hope. That's
Speaker 2: good hope. Look, we have to have hope.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I loved talking about the DC show was amazing,
Speaker 1: and thank you for everybody that came out. We loved
Speaker 1: you guys, And it was just it was just so fun.
Speaker 1: And we got some really funny bracelets. Thank you to
Speaker 1: the person who made me a bracelet that says Clank
Speaker 1: Family Classic because that really tickled me. But then I
Speaker 1: was so I was in New York, and after DC,
Speaker 1: I went to New York. So death becomes Her obviously
Speaker 1: a huge highlight. And then Monday I kind of went
Speaker 1: around with our friend to some different comedy shows. And
Speaker 1: I hadn't done like a little bounce around to like
Speaker 1: West Village, Brooklyn comedy shows.
Speaker 3: In a minute. It was fun. It was like fun.
Speaker 1: It felt like I was like back in my my
Speaker 1: like twenties and early thirties when I was you know,
Speaker 1: like just going around doing like four or five shows
Speaker 1: a night.
Speaker 3: It was fun. Had a blast. Yeah, where'd you guys, eat,
Speaker 3: what else did you do?
Speaker 5: We went?
Speaker 1: We ate at Rosemary's in the Way, which I hadn't
Speaker 1: been to before.
Speaker 3: It was good. It was just like in between.
Speaker 1: She had to show at Stonewall and she had to
Speaker 1: show at Pete's candy store, so we went in between,
Speaker 1: and then I got over. I got to go over
Speaker 1: to her house and meet and see Riz. He would
Speaker 1: not really give me the time of day. I tried
Speaker 1: a couple times and he was not having it. But
Speaker 1: that's okay. I met my sister's dog. My sister got
Speaker 1: a dog named Betty. You got to meet her dog.
Speaker 1: And then I went to New Hampshire and had a
Speaker 1: fun little weekend with my.
Speaker 2: What kind of dog is Betty? We could tell you're
Speaker 2: not an animal person? Well, you're like the cat didn't
Speaker 2: do exactly what I wanted as I walked in, even
Speaker 2: though he doesn't know me, and I guess there's a
Speaker 2: new dog.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I gave Riz a lot of time and then I
Speaker 1: just was like really trying to slowly approach him, and
Speaker 1: he was looking at me for a lot of it,
Speaker 1: but he was he would not approach. The dog is
Speaker 1: a rescue a mix, a pit mix. I think, but
Speaker 1: she's blind a bigger dog, but she's not that big,
Speaker 1: like she's not that big, like she's are they excited? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they love her. I mean, my sister's already like acting
Speaker 1: like a mom. She's always like well with Betty and
Speaker 1: like I have to take her to her blood work.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, well because I know the
Speaker 2: true child this summer, so I wonder if they're gonna
Speaker 2: have to just now drive for their vacaate, like they're
Speaker 2: gonna not want a vacation in the summer.
Speaker 1: Now, I think that they will because I think like
Speaker 1: this summer they weren't going to vacation anyway, Like they'll
Speaker 1: come out to they'll come out like and see us
Speaker 1: in Connecticut and stuff like that. I don't think this
Speaker 1: summer they were gonna do a trip because they did
Speaker 1: a huge one last summer. And then by next year,
Speaker 1: I think she'll be more tame and calm because she's
Speaker 1: still little. She's only like a year and a half old,
Speaker 1: and I think that they'll be okay to like leave
Speaker 1: her with my brother or something like somebody else that
Speaker 1: has a dog, or you know, or his brother has
Speaker 1: a dog as well. My brother in law's brother has
Speaker 1: a dog, so like, I think that they will. I
Speaker 1: don't think this will keep them from traveling forever. But
Speaker 1: I never thought my sister would ever have a dog
Speaker 1: in a million years. And she's like, can you believe this,
Speaker 1: like when she was with the dogs Benji, like your
Speaker 1: brother's dog is an influence.
Speaker 2: But also everyone fresh off the beat, Robbie Hoffman and
Speaker 2: Gabby Windy, No, I know, and I.
Speaker 3: Can't believe that it's been like two months. It was
Speaker 3: a secret.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, because I'm like, oh, they got married in Portugal.
Speaker 3: They're in Portugal right now, That's what I thought.
Speaker 1: Here was No, they got married in Vegas in January
Speaker 1: and they haven't told anybody. And I'm like, I was
Speaker 1: just texting with Robbie about Gabby like a couple weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and yeah, no, no, leak's there. She wasn't telling me
Speaker 1: the big secret. So I think it's so cute. I'm
Speaker 1: so happy for them, big big news. But no, I
Speaker 1: think my sister got the dog with her husband wanted it,
Speaker 1: by the way, to close the loop on that combo,
Speaker 1: not because of Benji.
Speaker 3: She just he wanted one. How else was la you
Speaker 3: went due to the story how is your camp thing?
Speaker 1: Oh, it was great, it was great. I went to
Speaker 1: New Hampshire. My friend lives in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. What
Speaker 1: a picturesque little fucking town that is.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's also shout out to Vermont where your camp is,
Speaker 2: because they fucking said jd Vance do you want to ski?
Speaker 1: Go fuck yourself? Yeah, they bullied J Vance right off
Speaker 1: that mountain. The fucking Yeah. New England doesn't fuck around.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because I posted the some of them
Speaker 1: are montras. My favorite things that they posted inside the
Speaker 1: signs they wrote for Vance. One was Advance puts his
Speaker 1: cast iron skillet in the dishwasher and the other one
Speaker 1: was Vance skis and jeans, and I thought those were
Speaker 1: my those were like my favorite ones, so I posted
Speaker 1: those and then the Vance puts his in the cast
Speaker 1: iron skill and the dishwasher. One of our listeners wrote
Speaker 1: was like, that's my high school math teacher. I was like,
Speaker 1: the world is so small. I love it, so love
Speaker 1: those little states. Loved that, and yeah, New Portsmouth is
Speaker 1: like adorable, you know what's crazy?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: So Portsmouth had like three or four stores that are
Speaker 1: like I don't know what the equivalent of like La
Speaker 1: stories maybe like spitfire Girl or something like that. Like
Speaker 1: gift stores, like stores where you can buy like little onesies,
Speaker 1: magnet socks like whatever, you know, funny books you know that.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, so many like that, and.
Speaker 1: Like there were there were stores like that when I
Speaker 1: was younger, but now they all just have swear words
Speaker 1: in them. Like now it's just like, oh, you want
Speaker 1: to find me, I'm out fucking hiking.
Speaker 3: Like everything's just like everything is like fuck fuck fuck.
Speaker 1: Like there weren't onesies that said for a baby that
Speaker 1: said I came from nutting, like but spelled n U
Speaker 1: T T I N like just yeah, I got I gotta.
Speaker 1: They didn't have they didn't have patients and size. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, but yeah, I was just shocked. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: these like gifts kind of shops have been around forever,
Speaker 1: but like they're they're they feel like a little bit
Speaker 1: more high end now at the same time as feeling
Speaker 1: very like so like just dirty kind of like so
Speaker 1: many dirty things in these shops. It was just like
Speaker 1: cracking me up because there was like three of them
Speaker 1: in this little town.
Speaker 3: But anyway, or.
Speaker 1: Like books that just say cheese porn, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I would just it's just funny to me.
Speaker 1: But I also have kids that are at home going
Speaker 1: fucking god damn it. So I don't know why I
Speaker 1: think swearing is going anywhere. It's where. I mean, swearing
Speaker 1: is fine obviously to me. It's just was shocking to
Speaker 1: me that at these little stores in New England where
Speaker 1: people are like, maybe I'll go pick up a gift,
Speaker 1: and then it's just like fuck everywhere. It was making
Speaker 1: me laugh. But New Hampshire was great.
Speaker 3: We walked around, we saw the ocean, we went to dinner,
Speaker 3: We laughed.
Speaker 1: We had a great time. I have the best time
Speaker 1: with them. We just laughed our little asses off. And
Speaker 1: then I had the longest fucking travel day ever coming back.
Speaker 1: And I got back to La right as oscar traffic
Speaker 1: was unleashing, so it took me forever to go home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot. I shouldn't have done that. I love the Oscars.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I booked travel. I guess I
Speaker 1: had to, like I had to get home, but like,
Speaker 1: I really like watching the Oscars and I was bummed
Speaker 1: that I watched it.
Speaker 3: That I had to miss it. You know, not watching
Speaker 3: it live. How was How was La?
Speaker 2: I'll say it was the best trip I've had in
Speaker 2: a while, the most fun I had.
Speaker 3: It was like really busy.
Speaker 2: I was like both two days, I had to be
Speaker 2: somewhere at nine am or like nine thirty so and
Speaker 2: I was go go go, had a nice had some meals,
Speaker 2: had a dinner, had Alfred. I was fine at my spots,
Speaker 2: played some games, did some podcasts. I saw a little esther,
Speaker 2: I met her baby, loved that.
Speaker 3: Oh cute. Wait does she live in Oh yeah she
Speaker 3: lives here?
Speaker 5: Do yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Someone recently was like, no one calls her little esther anymore,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you're right.
Speaker 3: She was a grown woman, she has a child. But
Speaker 3: it was it was just.
Speaker 2: Fun, you know, because we've known each other since elementary school. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like really nice to hold her baby. She's so I
Speaker 2: haven't had a little baby in a while. That's so
Speaker 2: really sweet. It was nice. And then I got upgraded
Speaker 2: and fucking slip man. I Yeah, it was just so fast.
Speaker 2: I think, La to me is like my family trips
Speaker 2: three days max.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm trying to think if there was like
Speaker 2: a big LA highlight.
Speaker 3: But it was like a petticker with a friend. Sounds
Speaker 3: like it was pretty fun. Love it and leave. It
Speaker 3: was one of the best nights of my life. I
Speaker 3: was on a.
Speaker 2: Buzz, like I went being like early night, I have
Speaker 2: to be up tomorrow morning. And then instead I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I gotta go out, like I am jazzed, and I
Speaker 2: could tell I annoyed him at first, but then I
Speaker 2: really got because I was like, are you mad at me?
Speaker 3: Cause I you know, I am who I am and
Speaker 3: he's a dork.
Speaker 2: So he's like so smart, but it's cool to be
Speaker 2: around someone that's that smart. Like at one point he
Speaker 2: like mentioned like this person the sea blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and in my head I went, wow, yeah, this is
Speaker 2: like actually really intelligent.
Speaker 1: What was their hot take that you two agreed on.
Speaker 1: I saw it on your Instagram, but I forgot it.
Speaker 3: Just that thin mints are are overrated. Oh they need
Speaker 3: to be in the fridge.
Speaker 2: But I had one callback to something where I could
Speaker 2: tell he was impressed, and like there there was something
Speaker 2: about me where like I wanted to impress this like
Speaker 2: smart guy, but because your gold seem made fun of me.
Speaker 3: He's like, do you have a crush on him. Oh
Speaker 3: I think I do. I'm like, I was just like,
Speaker 3: I don't know. It felt really fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like being on stage like I forgot and being
Speaker 2: back on the road. I'm like, oh yeah, I like
Speaker 2: to work and like yeah, yeah. Well, let's get started
Speaker 2: with our episode.
Speaker 1: But speaking of you being on the road, go to
Speaker 1: That's messed Up live dot com, Lisa's links to Lisa's dates.
Speaker 3: She's all over the place, watch night Owl.
Speaker 1: You can listen to my other podcast that's called Who's
Speaker 1: the Bitch? I mean, what else anything else going on?
Speaker 2: Well, Survival of the Thickest Season two comes out, oh
Speaker 2: March twenty seventh.
Speaker 3: But that's that's that. That's still a couple away. But
Speaker 3: we'll be reminding you. Yeah, we will be reminding you
Speaker 3: to do remind me, but says coming up. But that's yeah.
Speaker 3: All right, Well let that's that's all for now.
Speaker 1: Guys, let's get started on today's episode. All right, we
Speaker 1: are going to dive into gamb Fallacy Season fifteen, episode seventeen.
Speaker 3: This is a Rollins heavy one. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's a Rollin's heavy episode for those of you, for
Speaker 1: you Rollins heads out there. The title by the way,
Speaker 1: they never bring up in the episode. But gambler's fallacy,
Speaker 1: according to my Google search, is occurs when an individual
Speaker 1: erroneously believes that a certain random event is less likely
Speaker 1: or more likely to happen based on the outcome of
Speaker 1: a previous event or series of events. So, like, I'm
Speaker 1: so guilty of the gambler's fallacy. Like I'll play Roulemme
Speaker 1: and be like, well, it's hit black seven times, it's
Speaker 1: gotta hit red next.
Speaker 3: Not true, that's a fallacy.
Speaker 1: It's just as likely to hit red every single fucking
Speaker 1: time as it, you know. And so but you know,
Speaker 1: we tell ourselves something when we're a little buzzed and
Speaker 1: having fun losing our money.
Speaker 3: So I can't remember it.
Speaker 1: Do we know before this episode about Rollins is big
Speaker 1: gambling or not? I like, it's hard to she has
Speaker 1: such a long tenure on the show, it's hard to
Speaker 1: like remember.
Speaker 2: Well, not only that, there's just she's done almost every
Speaker 2: single thing right, Like her and Danny Pino joining the
Speaker 2: show was just like, let's see how much we can
Speaker 2: make these cops fuck up. And yeah, people want to
Speaker 2: like fuck them and have a like want them on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: Oh, in season thirteen, which is her first season. In
Speaker 1: the episode Home Invasions, she does confess that she's in
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars of debt with a.
Speaker 3: Bookie, okay, and then I.
Speaker 1: Think she does eventually go to like Gambling's Anonymous, but
Speaker 1: as we find out, soon she falls off the wagon.
Speaker 1: So we open the episode zoomed in on Rollins's face,
Speaker 1: and she looks a little sketch, you know, she's up
Speaker 1: to some shit. She's got shifty eyes. She says good
Speaker 1: night to the team, and Tomorrow's like, what are your plans?
Speaker 1: And she's like, I'm going to Niagara Falls. And I
Speaker 1: thought she's being sarcastic, but she's serious. And Finn's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you gotta go to the Canada side. That's where the
Speaker 1: fucking wild clubs are. And of course, of course Finn
Speaker 1: knows about the nightlife in Niagara Falls, and Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: it's more of a nature trip and Franny's coming with me,
Speaker 1: like it's just going to be like a little walk
Speaker 1: through the you know, the woods with my dog. Amarro
Speaker 1: Is man explaining like, you know, you need.
Speaker 3: To take papers to get a dog across the border,
Speaker 3: and she's like, I'm on it Dad, but she gets
Speaker 3: really close to his face. It's flirty as usual.
Speaker 1: But the episode where he actually is coming out of
Speaker 1: the shower at her place is later this season, so
Speaker 1: if you're picking up on vibes, that's what's happening. He
Speaker 1: offers to walk her out. He's headed to DC to Seezara.
Speaker 1: They leave, Benson walks out and goes, those two, I
Speaker 1: wish they'd get a room already.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, and then.
Speaker 1: Live has a look on her face and Finn goes,
Speaker 1: I'll pretend you didn't. I didn't hear you say that.
Speaker 1: But Liv looks like pissed, concerned, like she ate bad sushi.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. I can't tell what's wrong, but
Speaker 1: she looks annoyed to see them walk out of work together,
Speaker 1: as if that's not happened before. Then a song starts playing.
Speaker 1: It's called The Blackout Days by Fanta Graham. You know I
Speaker 1: have the captions on. That's the only reason I know.
Speaker 1: I don't know this band, but they do have six
Speaker 1: and a half million monthly listeners on Spotify, So good
Speaker 1: for you, guys, and s few once in a while,
Speaker 1: shells out them. I need a license like songs that
Speaker 1: are not you know, just made up, like you know,
Speaker 1: generic hip hop that they'll hear at a club. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we see a woman putting on lipstick in the dark,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's Rollin's. She gets out of her car.
Speaker 1: She's in a shady fucking area. She's like under a bridge,
Speaker 1: truly the only car in the area. She's got great
Speaker 1: outerwear on as usual, hair looks good.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 1: Is she meeting a day? Does she undercover? We don't
Speaker 1: know what's happening. Her hair is like criminally underrated. It's
Speaker 1: one of the best little messy fun news. I'm like
Speaker 1: obsessed with her hair else and I have and I
Speaker 1: have more comments on the hair. Later, she goes into
Speaker 1: some building. It's like a factory that's closed like after
Speaker 1: hours or closed down. A security guy is there. He
Speaker 1: wants her up and down. She gets let into this
Speaker 1: I'll say it. It looks like a cool ass club. It
Speaker 1: looks like a private gambling club, very kind of like
Speaker 1: Molly's Game, but like another level. Rollin's is smoking butts,
Speaker 1: telling the dealer to hit me. There's this guy next
Speaker 1: to her, like a Brazilian guy, and he's trying to
Speaker 1: tell her shit about her game, and she's like, you want,
Speaker 1: don't you count your cards? And I'll count mine, Like
Speaker 1: she's not having it. And then this guy starts pawing
Speaker 1: at a waitress and orders a kapy reina for him
Speaker 1: and one for Rollin's, and Rollin's and the waitress make
Speaker 1: long eye contact like they recognize each other, and that's
Speaker 1: because the girl was a victim four months earlier in
Speaker 1: an episode called Jersey Breakdown. Rollins turns down to the
Speaker 1: drink and decides to call it a night. The waitress
Speaker 1: goes to the back room and her boss goes, what's
Speaker 1: the crack, which is Irish for what's up? And I
Speaker 1: only know that from Dairy Girls? And we SVU fans
Speaker 1: obviously know this is Lieutenant Declan Murphy, but he's ultimate.
Speaker 1: He's also the ultimate undercover cop slash thespian like we
Speaker 1: did recently watch him piss himself in a jail cell
Speaker 1: to try to get Kevin from the office to give
Speaker 1: up some flash drives. So the waitress if you're but
Speaker 1: if you're just watching the show for the first time,
Speaker 1: you don't know who that is. You just think this
Speaker 1: is some guy in the back of an illegal thing,
Speaker 1: and he's like one of the bosses. The waitress tell him,
Speaker 1: you guys know that that blonde is a cop. Right,
Speaker 1: So Rollins is cashing out when Irish mob guy comes
Speaker 1: up with to her with some muscle.
Speaker 3: They're like, why do you come with us? She's like,
Speaker 3: what's the problem.
Speaker 1: I wasn't counting cards, and she's like, if I was
Speaker 1: counting cards, I would be I wouldn't be down fifteen K.
Speaker 1: So she's back in the hole pretty hard again. They
Speaker 1: don't want this to go down in front of all
Speaker 1: these people, and he's like, you don't want this night
Speaker 1: completely banjaxed, which is a word I've never heard or
Speaker 1: seen in my entire life, so I did look it up.
Speaker 1: It means, you know, ruined, fucked, but banjaxed, I never
Speaker 1: heard it. They bring Rollin's back to the back room
Speaker 1: and as soon as the door closes, they pull guns
Speaker 1: on her. The Irish batty is like, makes a quiet
Speaker 1: motion and then he rips Rollin's shirt open, buttons go flying.
Speaker 1: She's obviously wearing a hot bra. She didn't come to
Speaker 1: an illegal gambling night wearing like, you know, her shitty
Speaker 1: laundry day bra. He goes no wire, not even an underwire,
Speaker 1: and I think the bra clearly has an underwire, but
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I don't like.
Speaker 3: This guy knows.
Speaker 1: The song keeps playing and we hit the credits with
Speaker 1: Rollins tits out, guns points it at her. I bet
Speaker 1: Niagara Falls is looking pretty good right now. Top of
Speaker 1: act one, we're still in the back room. Rollin's shirt
Speaker 1: is now fully off, okay, like they've taken her shirt
Speaker 1: all the way off.
Speaker 3: They're patting her down.
Speaker 1: They obviously find her badge and she's like, I'm off
Speaker 1: duty and she goes, no gun, no wire, no worries,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately they're not down with that. He's like, bitch,
Speaker 1: you're down fifteen k standing here, half naked with a
Speaker 1: gun to your head, so yeah, you actually do have worries, like,
Speaker 1: and then he introduces himself as Declan O'Rourke, So I do.
Speaker 1: I love the idea that he just changes last names
Speaker 1: to something also irish to go undercover. Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: don't threaten a cop and he's like, why not. You're
Speaker 1: a manky, dirty, filthy little girl like and he's basically like,
Speaker 1: you can't do shit about it, and his female associate
Speaker 1: who is his boss, Like, you can't tell that yet,
Speaker 1: but eventually you realize, like she's above him. Is Sondra
Speaker 1: Vaughn and she's played by an actress named Sherry Som,
Speaker 1: who is also in the John Glazer episode of SVU
Speaker 1: that that's in later seasons, and she's a pretty big
Speaker 1: role in that one, and she's good in this one anyway.
Speaker 1: Rollin's is trying to explain that this has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with her job. She's got to pay what she owes,
Speaker 1: she's got OT coming up. I'm like, girl, I don't
Speaker 1: think you have fifteen thousand dollars of OT coming up. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but Sandra's like, we have to make sure you're not
Speaker 1: an informer. Declan's gonna test you, and if she passes,
Speaker 1: they can talk about how she'll work off the debt.
Speaker 3: And she's like, okay, cool, can I do the test
Speaker 3: with my shirt on?
Speaker 1: And so they give her back her shirt and now
Speaker 1: she's back at the precinct and her hair looks perfect.
Speaker 1: Her hair is some hair up, some hair down, as
Speaker 1: I've always called it. And Amaro walks in and goes,
Speaker 1: what's up with your hair? And she goes, oh natural,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it looks professionally done. What are we
Speaker 1: talking about here? Like I don't understand what's going on,
Speaker 1: but literally in the back it looks like it's clipped
Speaker 1: into this like sweet little shape. Like I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. Like he acts like
Speaker 1: she came in with like BedHead from a hookup. And
Speaker 1: then he's like, how is Niagara Fall? She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we didn't make it for Aanny got carsick. Amorrow sees
Speaker 1: she's looking on the DMV site and she makes up
Speaker 1: an excuse like, oh, yeah, my friend keeps getting parking
Speaker 1: tickets even though he parks in a garage. Like she's
Speaker 1: good at lying quickly, but I do think she has
Speaker 1: like liar face kind of And Amorrow goes to the
Speaker 1: men's room and he sees Finn there.
Speaker 3: How's your weekend? Finn goes, my.
Speaker 1: Weekend was dope, and Amorrow asks have you noticed anything
Speaker 1: off about Rollins lately? And he thinks it's kind of shady.
Speaker 1: She never made it to Niagara Falls. It's like she
Speaker 1: changed her plans.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And now she's checking for parking tickets and Finn's like,
Speaker 1: you got a boner for her or what And he's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: of course not. And then Live busts in and goes, hey,
Speaker 1: gossip girls, and I do love that, and she's just like,
Speaker 1: we caught a suspect.
Speaker 3: Move your asses.
Speaker 1: Rollins is back now with Declan and he slaps down
Speaker 1: a dozen more parking tickets and Rollins is like, that's
Speaker 1: not my precinct, but I did find out when they
Speaker 1: do their blitzes, and he's like, I want these tickets gone.
Speaker 1: It's like you run an eily eagle gambling ring. This
Speaker 1: is truly what you're asking her to do is like
Speaker 1: fix these tickets. It's like so low stakes, Like don't
Speaker 1: you guys make it up? Pay the tickets, Like I
Speaker 1: don't understand why they have to be gone. And she's like, look,
Speaker 1: we're in the digital age, Like I can't fix tickets anymore.
Speaker 1: They'll track them right to me. So then they offer
Speaker 1: her a different test. They basically need her to jury
Speaker 1: tamper give them the home address of a juror who
Speaker 1: is on a case for an insurance fraud. They're like,
Speaker 1: it's a victimless crime. We're not going to hurt her.
Speaker 1: We just want to convince her to vote the right way.
Speaker 1: Rollins is like, if I get caught, I lose everything,
Speaker 1: and Declan is like, we have footage of you gambling
Speaker 1: in an illegal club. You've lost everything, and it's like meanwhile,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it doesn't like the cops cover their
Speaker 1: own asses. Like if she got caught, if she went
Speaker 1: straight to Live and goes, look, I've been gambling at
Speaker 1: an illegal club, she'd get desk duty for a bit
Speaker 1: and then she'd be back to flirting with serial killers
Speaker 1: in no time. Like I know this is a TV show,
Speaker 1: but she should just go to Live now.
Speaker 2: Robald also, I don't know, but it's also like, why
Speaker 2: does I just have the most giant budgets to just
Speaker 2: do these long undercover acting exercises.
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 2: Is it really is gambling and drugs that like I
Speaker 2: just don't get vice?
Speaker 1: I really yeah, yeah, yeah yeah no, I like I understand,
Speaker 1: like when you're busting heroin, but then it's like we
Speaker 1: have these like cigarette operations and like gambling and stuff
Speaker 1: that it's like this just doesn't feel like it's really
Speaker 1: where the money needs to go.
Speaker 3: And we're embedding a guy for like months and months
Speaker 3: and months.
Speaker 1: It's crazy now Rollins is at the courthouse because she's
Speaker 1: gonna fucking do it, and she just straight up follows
Speaker 1: the juror home. I thought she was just gonna like
Speaker 1: look it up, like it's probably public, probably in some
Speaker 1: kind of police system who the jurors are. But then
Speaker 1: they she sees the juror has a kid in a wheelchair,
Speaker 1: and she opens up her ancient flip phone and she
Speaker 1: deletes the text that she was gonna send with the address.
Speaker 1: She uh gets back to the illegal club, she tells Declan, ah,
Speaker 1: I lost her. I had her on the subway, but
Speaker 1: I lost her. At first He's like, oh, you lost her?
Speaker 1: Hunt and then he grabs her and he's like, you dumbass,
Speaker 1: we had you follow you. Let us write to her,
Speaker 1: and Rollins begs, She's like please, the woman has a son.
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, we're gonna pay her bills. We're
Speaker 1: helping her, like we're not gonna hurt her. And Rolin's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do anything that's gonna hurt anyone, and
Speaker 1: Declan's like, cool, I guess we're done here. Are we
Speaker 1: calling your sergeant or are we calling IAB. I've got
Speaker 1: both numbers. Just saved in my phone here and then
Speaker 1: he was like, just a reminder, jail for a cop
Speaker 1: is not pleasant. She tells him wait, she starts to
Speaker 1: flirt with him and is like, maybe there's another way
Speaker 1: we can work this out, and Declan tells this guy
Speaker 1: his other guy to leave, and he starts setting up
Speaker 1: his phone to record their little like tryst, and Rollins
Speaker 1: is like, you're not gonna record this and he's like, girl,
Speaker 1: I'm in charge, Like shut your mouth, and the next
Speaker 1: thing we see is Rollin's.
Speaker 3: Like being dragged down, like towards the man, and that's
Speaker 3: a fade to commercial.
Speaker 1: Back at the craps table, we've got Sondra the boss
Speaker 1: flirting with the same rich Brazilian dude who tried to
Speaker 1: buy Rollins the capirinha, and then she's like, you better mate,
Speaker 1: good tonight. My boss is getting impatient, and then she
Speaker 1: tells the waitress that guy's cut off, and when she
Speaker 1: goes into the back room, she finds Rollins and Declan
Speaker 1: looking like they're getting their clothes back on after their
Speaker 1: you know, little sexual payoff moment. Declan says she passed
Speaker 1: the third test. She went below and beyond the call
Speaker 1: of duty, l ol.
Speaker 3: He goes.
Speaker 1: Now we know she's not undercover. Sondra tells Declan to leave.
Speaker 1: She pours Rollin's a drink and she goes, just so
Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna have to do that again,
Speaker 1: whatever you had to do, and Rollins is like, okay,
Speaker 1: cool girl power, like I work for you only now,
Speaker 1: like please let that Irish fuck know. And then they
Speaker 1: get down to the girl talk. Rollins tells her, look,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. The NYP does not the
Speaker 1: NYPD does not know about this place, which again, I
Speaker 1: don't think she would know that unless she was like
Speaker 1: in vice and she's like, duh, I'm an Ivy League
Speaker 1: educated art history major. That's what Sondra says, and Rollins
Speaker 1: is like, oh, I'm from rural Georgia, like I'm from
Speaker 1: a hard scrabble family. And then Sondra, who is pregnant,
Speaker 1: touches her back and goes, my son's not going to
Speaker 1: grow up how I did. And then she asks Rollins,
Speaker 1: you ever asked yourself what you want out of life?
Speaker 3: And Rollins goes, this place seems cool.
Speaker 1: She's like, I get to smoke and drink and gamble,
Speaker 1: and I basically had to just fuck a strange man
Speaker 1: to keep my job. So this is this is great,
Speaker 1: And Sondra's like, yeah, you could do well here if
Speaker 1: you let go of your working class morality, and Rollins asks, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you can let go of my debt, and then
Speaker 1: they both laugh, but Rollins is like, Rollins is like JKJK,
Speaker 1: but also I'm kind of serious, like can you let
Speaker 1: go of my debt? And Sondra's like, you're gonna work
Speaker 1: it off. And then right before she leaves, Rollins starts
Speaker 1: trying to like sow some distrust with Sondra about Declench.
Speaker 1: She's like, you trust that guy, and She's like, why
Speaker 1: you think I shouldn't, And she's like kind of just
Speaker 1: like trying to imply maybe he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that's trying to like usurp power from women who have
Speaker 1: worked hard, like we do all the work, and then
Speaker 1: they come in here and try to like fucking take over,
Speaker 1: and that like resonates with Sandra. She looks like a
Speaker 1: little bit like shook by that like possibility. In Benson's office,
Speaker 1: Finn and Tomorrow now walk in. Amorrow is worried about Rollins.
Speaker 1: Benson thinks she has the flu, so she called in
Speaker 1: sick and they're like, yeah, but we went over to
Speaker 1: her place with some soup and she wasn't there. I
Speaker 1: would love too cute men to bring me soup when
Speaker 1: I have the flu. Amorrow tracked her cell to some
Speaker 1: warehouse in the navy yard and was talking to some
Speaker 1: guy who looked like and when he and then followed
Speaker 1: her there and saw her talking to some guy who
Speaker 1: looked like Irish Mob, Amorrow thinks it's a gambling club.
Speaker 1: Finn's still trying to give Rollins the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: Live tells them to shut the fuck up and she'll
Speaker 1: handle it. Finn leaves, but Live closes the door before
Speaker 1: Amorrow can go, and she's like, I do have a
Speaker 1: problem with you tracking her cell phone and following her,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, I don't want to take any
Speaker 1: chances about after what happened with you, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, he's obviously talking about William Lewis and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not stalking her. And then Benson gets right into
Speaker 1: the personal like how's Maria doing and he says we're
Speaker 1: working it out, and then Live drops the bomb. You know,
Speaker 1: She's called me a couple times because she's worried about you,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, you could tell that that
Speaker 1: would fuck with somebody like tomorrow, so much like for
Speaker 1: his wife to like call his work like go behind
Speaker 1: his back and like, you know, make anybody at his
Speaker 1: work think that he's soft or having problems or anything.
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I'm sorry she pulled you in.
Speaker 1: She won't call you again and lives like good and
Speaker 1: keep away from Rollins too. It's so antagonistic between them.
Speaker 1: It's like a weird shift in their relationship, like after
Speaker 1: all that Ganzelle and Carissa shit that they went through,
Speaker 1: and Live was backing him up so hard, and now
Speaker 1: she's like thinks he's a bad guy. Like I think,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they're setting him up to like
Speaker 1: leave the show.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on. Well, she's under a
Speaker 3: lot of stress. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So back at the gambling club, Declan tells her that
Speaker 1: h Rollins that she has to take drunk Brazilian guy
Speaker 1: to his house and up the stairs, and just as
Speaker 1: Rollins is like, I'm not a sex worker, he goes,
Speaker 1: don't flatter yourself. He's not into trailer trash, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I beg to differ. He was trying to buy Rowlins
Speaker 1: a drink, like he's very into her. Then Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll like I'll do it. And then Rollins
Speaker 1: is like, by the way, that waitress that you guys
Speaker 1: hired is sixteen years old, the one that gave me up,
Speaker 1: and Sondra is pissed and she's like, Declan, I thought
Speaker 1: you vetted her.
Speaker 3: So this is like more declan fucking up.
Speaker 1: Rollins is now driving brazil drunk home and he's like
Speaker 1: lounging across the backseat slurring while Rollins drives. He reveals
Speaker 1: he's a diplomat, he has immunity, and he's never going
Speaker 1: to pay his debts to the club, but he owes
Speaker 1: them so much they need him and I don't really
Speaker 1: get that. I'm like, they need him for what if
Speaker 1: you don't have if you're not paying your debts, what
Speaker 1: do they need you for? I don't they need you for?
Speaker 1: Maybe sketchy getting more people to the club, maybe like
Speaker 1: Brazilian businessman contacts or something could be that, or like.
Speaker 2: What they're doing with Rollins, you know, like favors. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Brazilian diplomat could do for them,
Speaker 1: but maybe yeah. When they get to his house, his
Speaker 1: wife comes to the door and doesn't want Rolins to
Speaker 1: come in, but the husband makes up an excuse and
Speaker 1: is like, oh, she's just a receptionist from like the
Speaker 1: Russian mission.
Speaker 3: Like we had too much vodka.
Speaker 1: She's just taking me home and she says like, I'm
Speaker 1: just the designated driver.
Speaker 3: The wife like like, eventually lets Rollin's in.
Speaker 1: They bring him in, and then she's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is a nice place and there's all this art up
Speaker 1: and the woman goes, yeah, it doesn't belong to us,
Speaker 1: it belongs to the Brazilian government. And then she goes,
Speaker 1: you can go now, and then she goes and please
Speaker 1: don't let my husband back into that club, like she
Speaker 1: knows he's that Rollins is not from a fucking Russian
Speaker 1: mission or whatever it is, Like, she's like, don't let
Speaker 1: my husband back into that club. He has issues, but
Speaker 1: you guys are the worst, like you take advantage of him.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: So Rollins gets a text as she's headed out, so
Speaker 1: she walks into a bar and her best buddy Finn
Speaker 1: is there and he's like, how's the flu and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I took some mental health days. And Finn's like how
Speaker 1: much do you need? And Rollin's is like, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I'm moonlaighting to pay it off. And he keeps asking
Speaker 1: her how much she owes and if they have her
Speaker 1: doing shady shit like looking up people's licenses, et cetera.
Speaker 1: He's like, girl, if I'm noticing other people are noticing too,
Speaker 1: this is gonna bite you in the ass. She insists
Speaker 1: she's got it covered and Finn's like, all right, it's cool.
Speaker 1: You know where to find me, and then he hands
Speaker 1: her a wad of cash. He's such a good friend.
Speaker 1: He just like hands her a bunch of money and
Speaker 1: he's like, but whatever this is, stop it now.
Speaker 3: I'm not ready for another partner.
Speaker 1: Finn walks out, we see Declan and one of his
Speaker 1: goons are sitting right there. They approach Rollins. She hands
Speaker 1: Declan the cash immediately and he's and she's like, maybe
Speaker 1: it's time for me to get out of this extremely
Speaker 1: dangerous situation and he's like no, Soandra needs another favor.
Speaker 1: The goon Carlos like the guy who's been with working
Speaker 1: with Declan the whole time. Is this guy Carlos and
Speaker 1: he's gotten into a jam. He got stopped at a
Speaker 1: speed trap with an unlicensed gun, and Rollins is like, uh, well,
Speaker 1: I don't work for the DA and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we just need to make the gun go bye bye,
Speaker 1: like no gun, no case.
Speaker 3: And she's like, oh my god. She's like so much right,
Speaker 3: Like why didn't she just tell Benson.
Speaker 1: Like this is so much worse, all this shit, I mean,
Speaker 1: we figure it out. But she asks like does he
Speaker 1: have a record, and he's like, I'm squeaky clean.
Speaker 3: I don't even have a parking ticket.
Speaker 1: And Declan's like okay, like see what you can do,
Speaker 1: and Rollin's looks stressed, and I can see it's like
Speaker 1: they're just testing the boundaries, like of her morality. Like
Speaker 1: at first it's like parking tickets. Like at first I
Speaker 1: was like, well, who cares about the parking tickets? I
Speaker 1: think they're seeing how far she can go, because first
Speaker 1: it's parking tickets. Then it's follow this, we went home
Speaker 1: and just get us her address and we're not going
Speaker 1: to hurt he.
Speaker 3: We're actually going to give her money. Then it's oh man,
Speaker 3: it's a gun.
Speaker 1: I was carrying a gun without a license, Like, I'm
Speaker 1: not hurting anybody, right, So they're seeing like how far up,
Speaker 1: how far she'll go? But literally checking out evidence is
Speaker 1: definitely a level up from the other two things. So
Speaker 1: cut to her looking incognito in a baseball cap at
Speaker 1: the evidence locker. She's keeping her head down. She shows
Speaker 1: a badge. The guy calls her detective Wheeler. So she's
Speaker 1: clearly gone out of her way to get a fake badge,
Speaker 1: and she's like avoiding the security cameras, keeping her head down.
Speaker 3: She looks shady as hell.
Speaker 1: Back at the gambling club, Soandra is complimenting Rolins on
Speaker 1: a job well done. This pays off your interest at
Speaker 1: the club. I don't know if that pays off the
Speaker 1: base debt, but the interest. Carlos is like, uh so,
Speaker 1: now my DNA isn't in the system, and Rollins is
Speaker 1: like it never was. It only gets entered when there's
Speaker 1: a conviction. Sondra's like when's your next shift and like
Speaker 1: can you work a double? And then Declan goes hold on,
Speaker 1: I don't know about this plan, and she's like butt out, loser,
Speaker 1: and he looks pissed, like he looks sad that he's
Speaker 1: being cut out. At the precinct, Rollins is playing Solitaire
Speaker 1: on her computer. It's like this woman cannot get away
Speaker 1: from cards.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: And there's a call and Finn writes down and address
Speaker 3: and Rollins recognizes the address and she goes, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'll take the call. You guys have been covering for
Speaker 3: me a lot lately.
Speaker 1: And then Finn's like, I'll go with you, and then
Speaker 1: Amaro looks suspicious. He's like, because I think it's because
Speaker 1: Rollins does have It's obviously the act. It's obviously Kelly
Speaker 1: Giddish is like acting choices to like subtly telegraph that
Speaker 1: she is lying, but it seems very clear whenever she lies.
Speaker 1: And it is the house of the Brazilian diplomat, and
Speaker 1: apparently a purp used the key he pad to get in,
Speaker 1: pulled a gun, tied up the husband, and raped his wife.
Speaker 1: The perp took cash, but left jewelry and electronics. And
Speaker 1: Major Crimes is sending their art expert because some significant
Speaker 1: paintings were stolen. Finn introduces himself to the Brazilian diplomat
Speaker 1: and he's like, what took you so long. Then he
Speaker 1: clocks Rollin's and you can see his face just trying
Speaker 1: to process what's going on, and Rollins goes, I'll take
Speaker 1: the wife, and then it seems like the.
Speaker 3: Guys she's doing this.
Speaker 2: I know he'll keep going, but like it's really weird
Speaker 2: because then she's like Rollin. But when she talks to
Speaker 2: the wife and the wife is clearly scared, it seems
Speaker 2: like Rollin's like, what, I'm just a cop, Why are
Speaker 2: you acting like this?
Speaker 3: Like she's you know what I mean. I think she's
Speaker 3: used threatening or like what is going on?
Speaker 1: She's trying to cover her ass because she knows she
Speaker 1: was at that house the night before and she's going
Speaker 1: to be on security footage or something. I think I
Speaker 1: think it's like a Brazilian diplomat's how she knows there's
Speaker 1: going to be camera footage. She's like, if I go,
Speaker 1: I can insert myself in the investigation and at least
Speaker 1: cover my own ass. I think that's why she's doing it,
Speaker 1: But it is it is wild that she would even yeah,
Speaker 1: go up to the lady and be like not without.
Speaker 3: Some kind of plan, you know. Well, she also seems
Speaker 3: confused why they're all scared of for me, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So but the guy is obviously scared.
Speaker 1: He's changing his story, like originally he said he saw
Speaker 1: the rapist face and now he's like, oh, no, the
Speaker 1: guy wore a mask. Now that he's seen Rolins, he's like, no,
Speaker 1: the guy wore a mask. And obviously he thinks the
Speaker 1: club is sending Rowlins to intimidate him. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's very scary to know that your enemies are like it,
Speaker 1: have the cops in their pockets. So upstairs, the wife
Speaker 1: is telling this other officer about her attack, and when
Speaker 1: she sees Amanda, she goes, Okay, I get the message.
Speaker 3: I know what to do. I know what to do.
Speaker 1: And then Rollins tries to like touch her on the
Speaker 1: leg and she slaps her hand away and starts going,
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything. I don't remember anything, and Rollins
Speaker 1: looks ashamed like she is spiralless cickets.
Speaker 3: It's like a fuckingw it. Yeah, and it's your fault.
Speaker 2: Rollins like, yeah, I honestly can't believes she kept her
Speaker 2: job and that we've had her on the podcast and
Speaker 2: like her like, I'm I do not forgive her for this.
Speaker 1: It well, that's why we have to have forgiving Rollins,
Speaker 1: which is another episode later, like because she does so
Speaker 1: much bad shit that we have to forgive her. But
Speaker 1: live in Tomorrow now are on the scene. They're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what's up. They're like, maybe they knew
Speaker 1: the assailant and they were scared of him. Rollin because
Speaker 1: the guy, the Brazilian guy, would know Carlos, because Carlos
Speaker 1: is at the club working, So it is weird he
Speaker 1: would even ever say that he saw his face.
Speaker 3: It's kind of even weird that he would call the cops.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, like, because if he knows it's Carlos,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't call the cops. He's like, these people are
Speaker 1: doing this because of my fucking debts. But maybe because
Speaker 1: he has immunity. He calls for justice for his wife.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's rape and the art.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, and it belongs to the Brazilian government,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna get in trouble for that, You're right.
Speaker 1: So Rollins is like, I'll pull security footage because, like
Speaker 1: I said, you know, she's trying to cover her fucking tracks.
Speaker 1: Back at the precinct, She's running through some footage. Finn's
Speaker 1: look a looking over her shoulder and he's like, slow down,
Speaker 1: I can't even see what you're looking at.
Speaker 3: She's like I got this, Like she's so shady.
Speaker 1: Finn goes, well, the victim wouldn't do a rape kit,
Speaker 1: but there was semen and hair found at the scene.
Speaker 3: Then they get a hit on the DNA Carlos Reva.
Speaker 3: Oh no, not.
Speaker 1: Squeaky clean Carlos, and Rollins is like, sorry, if you're
Speaker 1: listening to this and you hadn't seen the episode, I
Speaker 1: did reveal that about a minute ago, and I apologize.
Speaker 1: It was Carlos, the guy who's the muscle guy from
Speaker 1: the club.
Speaker 3: And Rollins is like, whoa are you sure?
Speaker 1: Like what criminal would leave their jiz behind when their
Speaker 1: DNA is in the system. So it turns out that
Speaker 1: Carlos does have a record and the gun they can
Speaker 1: see the gun charge that was just dropped, but also
Speaker 1: that he has a stalking charge plea that he pled
Speaker 1: down to domestic assault from last fall. I don't know
Speaker 1: why his DNA would necessarily be in the system. Maybe
Speaker 1: if there was.
Speaker 2: Like a physical altercation, but I think if you go
Speaker 2: to jail, you give up your DNA, not like a swab,
Speaker 2: I don't think, And.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know if I don't know if they
Speaker 1: do DNA. I know they do fingerprints and shit, I
Speaker 1: don't know if they do DNA. If you go to jail,
Speaker 1: I wonder. I don't know, but I wonder. But then
Speaker 1: tomorrow goes. Good thing. New York finally authorized all crimes DNA,
Speaker 1: so their act and I googled that, but I couldn't
Speaker 1: find anything.
Speaker 3: So maybe some of our New York law.
Speaker 1: People can get involved and tell me what's going on,
Speaker 1: because I assumed that they thought because this was like
Speaker 1: a misdemeanor or something, because it's not a felony maybe,
Speaker 1: but like now it's all crimes DNA, and so like
Speaker 1: that's why they thought that he would get away with it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Rollins is like, oh, yawn, stretch, damn guys, I'm really sleepy.
Speaker 1: And so Finn sends her home and says me and
Speaker 1: tomorrow got it.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, for detectives, they're really not catching on.
Speaker 1: They kind of are, I mean, yeah, and Finn goes tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Whatever you're thinking, don't.
Speaker 1: So now they're at an art gallery and they're talking
Speaker 1: to some guy showing him a photo of Carlos and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I don't recognize him, but like I
Speaker 1: can look into it and see maybe if he is
Speaker 1: like a driver for us or something. And Tomorrow's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get on that, and he asks, do you know
Speaker 1: the artist bea tri Sa Morante And that's someone they've
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in the episode as the artist who did
Speaker 1: a lot of the paintings that were hanging in the
Speaker 1: Brazilian diplomat's house and that were stolen during this like
Speaker 1: rape slash burglary. He says, oh, yeah, she's one of
Speaker 1: Brazil's best artists, and then they're like, oh, do you
Speaker 1: have any of her work? And he's like, she's an
Speaker 1: audacious painter, but she's not quite on our radar.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I know, We're going to get to this later, but
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you just are you shading her?
Speaker 1: Like what if she's one of the best, why don't
Speaker 1: you why don't you want her art? Anyway? Back at
Speaker 1: club no sorry, I was about to say, back at
Speaker 1: Club Rollins. Back at the club, Rollins is like you sick.
Speaker 1: Fox wanted me to clear the gun charge, so this
Speaker 1: guy could revenge rape Marcello's wife. They're certainly calling him Marcelo.
Speaker 1: He's the Brazilian diplomat. Declan goes, that was Sondra's idea,
Speaker 1: and Rollins is like, you did that to an innocent woman,
Speaker 1: Like I thought we had a drink and we were
Speaker 1: like talking lady to lady about like girl power and
Speaker 1: raising each other up.
Speaker 3: Sondra's like, she had fair warnings. So did he.
Speaker 1: He thought he was untouchable and we had to, you know,
Speaker 1: send him a message. And Declan is pissed. He's like,
Speaker 1: this was a dumb move. I should have been consulted.
Speaker 1: Sondra's like, well, it's Rollin's his fault. She didn't get
Speaker 1: Carlos's DNA out of Cotis and Rollins goes crazy. She
Speaker 1: like rushes at her and goes, Carlos said he had
Speaker 1: no record, and Sondra just laughs and goes, he lied.
Speaker 1: He's a criminal. You should have run his name. Clean
Speaker 1: this up. And Rollins is like or what? And Sondra
Speaker 1: threatens to turn her over to her own people for
Speaker 1: stealing the gun from evidence, and even Declan is like,
Speaker 1: how is she going to fix this? And he goes
Speaker 1: they have this Egypt's DNA and I just had to
Speaker 1: bring that up because they're giving him so many little irishisms.
Speaker 1: And I was like semi raised by two Irish babysitters
Speaker 1: that lived at our house, oh pairs, and they used
Speaker 1: to call us Egypts and people Egypts all the time.
Speaker 1: And it's like a fun it's a fun little it's
Speaker 1: a fun little phrase. What does it imply, though, like idiot?
Speaker 1: I think it's just like a dummy. And I don't
Speaker 1: think they were calling us. They would just be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. They would call us cheeky monkeys and
Speaker 1: eat and then they would say maybe they'd never called
Speaker 1: us egypt but they would say like, oh, he's an
Speaker 1: Egypt or something.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, a little a little high for all I know,
Speaker 1: we have Irish listeners, So we're bringing up, we're bringing
Speaker 1: up your culture. And Rollins is thinking, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I need to get a DNA sample from Carlos.
Speaker 3: So now at the lab.
Speaker 1: Rollins is talking to friend of the pod Karen send
Speaker 1: Lee aka Emmy Susan Chung and asking her, Hey, can
Speaker 1: you run this sample on someone that our victim's been
Speaker 1: having an affair.
Speaker 3: With it's just to eliminate him.
Speaker 1: And Chung is like looking concerned because she does her
Speaker 1: job properly and is like, well, this isn't really going
Speaker 1: through the right channels, and Rollins is like, babe, babe,
Speaker 1: I'll get you the paperwork, like relax and just fully
Speaker 1: jeopardizing other people's careers like like slashing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like crazy that we keep having And now
Speaker 2: she's a professor like yeah, So now Amarro is talking
Speaker 2: to evidence locker guy and he's like, look, I signed
Speaker 2: it out to Megan Wheeler and then they are like, well, dude,
Speaker 2: she retired four years ago. So and on the security
Speaker 2: footage that Tomorrow's looking at, it's pretty fucking obvious it's Amanda.
Speaker 2: But then there's one shot where she looks up and
Speaker 2: it's like very clear it's her. Amorrow is now in
Speaker 2: Live's office with Finn, showing her a shit ton of
Speaker 2: evidence like of Rolin shady dealings like signing out the gun,
Speaker 2: driving the diplomat home, the elimination DNA.
Speaker 1: Live is like, stop digging, I'll handle this. Don't tip
Speaker 1: her off, pretend everything is normal, and Finn's like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to go behind your back, but I gotta
Speaker 1: let Rolins know what we know, like it's partner etiquette,
Speaker 1: and he goes, if this was Nick or Elliott, there's.
Speaker 3: The magic word. There's the magic word.
Speaker 1: He's been gone two seasons and she three seasons, and
Speaker 1: she's like, you're right, I would have definitely told him
Speaker 1: because I would have given him a kidney. So we
Speaker 1: cut to Finn and live at a bar with Rollins
Speaker 1: and they're fucking laying down the law with her. Benson
Speaker 1: is pretty disgusted with Rollins and doesn't even know if
Speaker 1: she believes that Rollins didn't know about the rape before
Speaker 1: it happened. And they're like, you got to turn yourself in,
Speaker 1: and she's like, they're gonna put me in prison, and
Speaker 1: Lives like you had to know nothing good was gonna
Speaker 1: come of working with these sketchy fucks, and Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: I just had to work off my debt and be done.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought was gonna happen, and Lives like, okay,
Speaker 1: you are done, girl, Like I'm here for Finn, but
Speaker 1: I'm calling iab on your ass, and then Rollins goes,
Speaker 1: let me turn myself in.
Speaker 3: I just need a few hours.
Speaker 1: So I can figure out what to do with Franny
Speaker 1: and Lives like eight am tomorrow, it's over, We're taking
Speaker 1: you in and that like that never works out whenever
Speaker 1: they go cool eight am tomorrow, see you there. We
Speaker 1: never that meeting never happens. Rollins shares a look with Finn.
Speaker 1: In the next scene, Declan is getting out of the
Speaker 1: car and Tomorrow goes up to him and Sucker punches
Speaker 1: him and he goes, stay away from Rollins. I mean, like, dude,
Speaker 1: Lives told you six times to drop it, and instead
Speaker 1: you fully put yourself right in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: And Declan's like, are you the boyfriend? And then he goes,
Speaker 1: She's not half bad once you get past the used part.
Speaker 1: It's like he's like really rough on Amanda for like
Speaker 1: being from the South, I guess. And now Rollins is
Speaker 1: in the back room of the club and Jess says
Speaker 1: they're going to take her shield and she's going to
Speaker 1: go to prison, and Sondra's like, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know you, like Mariah Carey all the way.
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't know you, bitch, and she's like,
Speaker 1: if you try to cut a deal, my boss will
Speaker 1: put a bullet in your brain. And the cop from
Speaker 1: the They're like, remember that cop from the twenty fourth
Speaker 1: who ate his gun that wasn't to suicide? So fuck
Speaker 1: these people are not just like gamblers trying to get
Speaker 1: rid of parking tickets. They're fucking scary psycho people. Rollins
Speaker 1: gets close to Sandra and then pulls a gun and
Speaker 1: presses it to her pregnant belly, and it's like, did
Speaker 1: these people stop patting her down? I don't understand, even
Speaker 1: though now she's more desperate than ever, Like they're like,
Speaker 1: let's just let her in, even though she's got every
Speaker 1: thing to lose, litterate, don't don't check if she has
Speaker 1: a gun. So she makes Declan hand over his guns
Speaker 1: and then tells Sondra, I need to meet the boss,
Speaker 1: Like we're taking this up a level, bitch, and so,
Speaker 1: oh snap, look who the boss is? The innocent art
Speaker 1: gallery director that we didn't even get a name on,
Speaker 1: Like we didn't even clock this guy.
Speaker 2: They get him to say, I actually knew it all along,
Speaker 2: but it's because I've seen this a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they get art gallery guys gun, they ask, and
Speaker 1: he goes if anything happens to that baby, and Rollins
Speaker 1: realizes that the boss man is the father of the baby,
Speaker 1: so him and Chandra are a thing, their their work
Speaker 1: and business. And then she goes nice work sister to
Speaker 1: uh Chandra, and then I think that's shady, just being like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought you kind of like worked your way up,
Speaker 1: but really you're just like fucking the boss. And she
Speaker 1: wants Rollins is doing that thing which we just saw
Speaker 1: in a recent episode of SVU, like I want a
Speaker 1: million in cash, I want a new path, I want
Speaker 1: a private plane, like asking for all these wild demands
Speaker 1: that it's like you.
Speaker 3: Kind of know you you're not gonna get those right.
Speaker 1: And then she wants to take Sondra with her for insurance,
Speaker 1: and Rollins is acting like unhinged and and like because
Speaker 1: at first Sondra's like, yeah, babe, let's all go. We
Speaker 1: can just all go on a little trip. It's fine.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly she gets a pain like in her stomach.
Speaker 1: She has to sit down. Everyone's worried about her. Declan
Speaker 1: grabs a gun and pistol whips Rollins across her face.
Speaker 1: She's on the ground, and then Anton, who's the name
Speaker 1: of the big boss, is like kill her.
Speaker 3: And then suddenly you all wanted a twist.
Speaker 1: Declan points the gun at Sondra and Anton and says,
Speaker 1: hands in the air, Lieutenant Declan Murphy, NYPD, you're all
Speaker 1: under arrest and done.
Speaker 3: Done.
Speaker 1: The Irish accent was fake two b B.
Speaker 2: We did ruin this surprise for everyone. Yeah, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I just think if you know the guy, you if
Speaker 1: you watched any episodes in season fifteen sixteen seventeen, like,
Speaker 1: he's all over it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's like you we knew, but it is,
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 1: It was a great twist, Like when you're watching this
Speaker 1: episode not having seen it, it's a great fucking twist.
Speaker 1: And this but this guy is Canadian American, but I've
Speaker 1: seen him in Sons of Anarchy also playing an irishman,
Speaker 1: so clearly Irish accents are like.
Speaker 3: Sure, it's because he is er.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and but he's good at the accent too, like
Speaker 1: he's killing the accent.
Speaker 3: You know. Well, he's donal Logue. He must be Irish though, Like,
Speaker 3: but he grew up. Yeah, he's Canadian American. That's a
Speaker 3: funky name though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean his parents are Irish, so he does
Speaker 1: the accent well because his parents he went to Ireland
Speaker 1: in the Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was born in Ottawa.
Speaker 1: He lived in Boston, California, and he's been studying his parents' accents.
Speaker 1: So anyway, in the last act, we opened the top
Speaker 1: of this with the tape. So obviously we knew when
Speaker 1: they set up that tape of them allegedly having some
Speaker 1: kind of sexual twist, that that tape was either gonna
Speaker 1: get out or you're gonna see a part of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we see the tape of when she allegedly banged
Speaker 1: or blue Declan whatever.
Speaker 3: We didn't know what was happening, But.
Speaker 1: What happened for real was he told her I'm not
Speaker 1: interested in whatever you're trying to offer me right now.
Speaker 1: I'm Lieutenant Declan Murphy, Manhattan, Vice. The color of the
Speaker 1: day is green. Don't forget that. That's how they id
Speaker 1: each other to each other. So now back to this
Speaker 1: IAB meeting Declan is basically like, as soon as that
Speaker 1: moment happened when I revealed myself to her, she was
Speaker 1: on loan to Vice as a UC. She was working
Speaker 1: for me the whole time, and IAB was like, you
Speaker 1: should have come to us, and Declan's like I tried
Speaker 1: to connect Sondra and Anton for two years. Rollins did
Speaker 1: it in three days, Like and it's like, don't send
Speaker 1: a man to do a woman's job, Am I right?
Speaker 1: Like he's been undercover with this group for two years.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like how does Vice have these unlimited budgets forgetting I
Speaker 2: mean they're murders too, yeah, but like just get them
Speaker 2: on murder Like I don't understand these little games and
Speaker 2: full investigations.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if, like when he's on Vice, like
Speaker 1: in a Vice investigation.
Speaker 2: Does any enough evidence? There's not enough evidence after two years.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, I know.
Speaker 1: I think it's like Anton, like nobody ever Sondra was
Speaker 1: always like as the boss, but he was like a
Speaker 1: shadowy figure that they couldn't figure out. And I guess
Speaker 1: putting a gun to his girlfriend's belly is like the
Speaker 1: only way we could get to him.
Speaker 3: So but it's crazy that you couldn't figure that out.
Speaker 1: You couldn't follow her, you could, Yeah, Like there's no
Speaker 1: way that she's she got pregnant by this guy she
Speaker 1: sees him, Like, there's no way you could have figured
Speaker 1: weaseled your way into meeting Anton after two years.
Speaker 3: I always wonder too.
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you're working at an illegal gambling club
Speaker 1: at night, like as an undercover, Like during the day,
Speaker 1: are you just like at your apartment doing your regular
Speaker 1: life and then you just go to work at night
Speaker 1: as undercover or do you have to be fully in
Speaker 1: like apartment like the idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be fully ameshed. But I think
Speaker 2: you rest in the day. I think you live that lifestyle.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to the office. No, but
Speaker 2: like if you had a yeah, I guess. I'm kind
Speaker 2: of like, no. Don you remember that episode Ze Wildlife
Speaker 2: where he's like I lost everything going undercover man?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Stabler's simply not calling his wife back. But
Speaker 1: that's also just Stabler, you know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's ever like actually allowed to slip away and go
Speaker 1: see his family, if it's a long mission, if it's
Speaker 1: two years, like I don't know, do you only get
Speaker 1: guys that have no families, no friends, no interest in their.
Speaker 3: Regular life for two years? It's like, Wow, it's wild.
Speaker 1: If you know any more information about going undercover, I'd
Speaker 1: love to know, please dm us.
Speaker 3: So both of them, Declan.
Speaker 1: And Rawlins are like, we did not know about the
Speaker 1: plan to rape the diplomat's wife, like we're sick about it.
Speaker 1: But they're like, Carlos Reva is in custody and will
Speaker 1: plead guilty to rape one and grand larceny. IAB points
Speaker 1: out that the man behind all of this is Anton
Speaker 1: Nadari and they're like, so the guy who was just
Speaker 1: profiled in the New York Times as a superstar art dealer,
Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, art dealing is his cover. He's
Speaker 1: got a huge international criminal enterprise. We have his confession
Speaker 1: on here, and it's like and it's some gaudy ring
Speaker 1: that he said, I hung it on a wire at
Speaker 1: the gallery. It's like, good one, no one noticed that
Speaker 1: totally normal ring hanging on a wire at the gallery, Like.
Speaker 3: Wait, what, oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's like a ruby ring that he places down and
Speaker 1: goes His whole confession is on here, because like the
Speaker 1: guy goes to his own art gallery and goes, this
Speaker 1: is a front. I am running a criminal enterprise. We
Speaker 1: got it all on the ring. Like it's crazy. But
Speaker 1: so I don't know if I caught that really Yeah,
Speaker 1: as I went that little thing it's not even a camera.
Speaker 1: It's like a little ring hanging back, it made no sense.
Speaker 1: They're like, we're gonna get him on art theft, art forgery, extortion, rape,
Speaker 1: murder of.
Speaker 3: A You had all that why two years.
Speaker 1: Because they're saying Sondra is turning state's evidence. It wasn't
Speaker 1: until they got Sondra that they can get this guy
Speaker 1: and all this shit. She's selling that guy out, no problem.
Speaker 1: She's like, me and my baby are moving to the
Speaker 1: fucking multives, you know, like she doesn't care. She's ruthless.
Speaker 3: Uh. And Declan is arguing, and that one been raped. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she doesn't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Declan is arguing that the ends justify the means.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I don't know if I buy that,
Speaker 1: But like this poor woman who's just like a fucking
Speaker 1: wife of a alcoholic, gambling addict diplomat who probably cheats
Speaker 1: on her constantly, has to be the one that got punished.
Speaker 1: But they it did help them take down this fucking
Speaker 1: guy who's like killed cops and done all this other stuff.
Speaker 1: So the IAB guy is like, I'm taking this upstairs,
Speaker 1: and then Declan like steps to the IAB guys and
Speaker 1: goes given rolins his exemplary performance, she keeps her shields
Speaker 1: or I take it upstairs, Sarge, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: he likes Rolins. I guess he's taken back all that
Speaker 1: trash talk about her being used up and dirty and like.
Speaker 3: A shit boy value and then he ends up being
Speaker 3: fathering a child.
Speaker 1: Yes, everybody, yeah, just fyi, everybody. She is Billy's mom
Speaker 1: or dad? Which one is which one?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: God, now we have to look Rolin's fucking kids. Hold on,
Speaker 3: isn't is it Jesse and Billy? It's Jesse. Oh, you're right.
Speaker 1: Jesse's the first one, so I believe Jesse is doctor.
Speaker 1: Uh the is the I thought that he was her
Speaker 1: first kid. Oh wow, yeah she doesn't have she doesn't have.
Speaker 1: The Doctor's the second kid.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 1: Ok yeah, Rolin's and then the and then Cariese's the third.
Speaker 1: She's got three baby daddies.
Speaker 3: And is Donald Loga not an active father? Obviously?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: There's one point where he comes back and she's like,
Speaker 1: he's like, you didn't tell me, and she's like, I
Speaker 1: didn't really think you would want to, Like I kind
Speaker 1: of just made the decision for myself because people think
Speaker 1: that it's Amorro's baby. And then eventually it's like kind
Speaker 1: of revealed that it's Donald, that it's a Declan's baby,
Speaker 1: and I think He's like, if you need anything, let
Speaker 1: me know. But he's going back undercover. He's like an
Speaker 1: undercover junkie, you know. He's like, yeah, you know, well,
Speaker 1: I mean we'll find out whether maybe he'll ever be back.
Speaker 1: So now they're walking down the street together Murphy Decla
Speaker 1: Murphy and Rollins and she's like, you know, you could
Speaker 1: have just busted me right away and saved yourself a
Speaker 1: lot of grief. And he says when you came into
Speaker 1: the back room, He's like, I really saw somebody about
Speaker 1: to hit rock bottom. And then he talks about himself
Speaker 1: in the third person and he goes, Decla Murphy believes
Speaker 1: in redemption, that venal sins don't define you.
Speaker 3: The choice is yours.
Speaker 1: Let's hope you make a better choice than like the
Speaker 1: shitty ones you've been making. Rollins wants to know how
Speaker 1: much live knows and he goes, well, I finessed it,
Speaker 1: but she's smart, so come clean and stay clean, and
Speaker 1: then he goes May the Road Rise to meet you, detective,
Speaker 1: which is part of the Irish Blessing, and they're laying
Speaker 1: on everything Irish so thick with this.
Speaker 3: Guy, it's like hilarious.
Speaker 1: Like later in another episode they have him in like
Speaker 1: a classic Irish like fisherman's sweater. It's like they're just
Speaker 1: really like the notes on Donald Loge's character is just
Speaker 1: like a shamrock. But when they're like handed to wardrobe,
Speaker 1: they're like, here's what this character is, an Irish man.
Speaker 1: So back at the precinct, Rollins is explaining to Tomorrow
Speaker 1: and Finn, like, this is I couldn't tell you like
Speaker 1: I had to tell Live. She had to know, so
Speaker 1: I guess Live knew the whole time, and that's why
Speaker 1: she was like. That's why she was like, don't dig
Speaker 1: into this anymore to the guys, because she did know
Speaker 1: what was going on. But then Live calls her into
Speaker 1: the office and she's like, I'm not happy about this,
Speaker 1: like I did have to lie to two of my
Speaker 1: detectives and a woman was raped, which is like against
Speaker 1: our full code of ethics. Here, specifically in this precinct,
Speaker 1: she admits that the way she got involved with Wece
Speaker 1: was that because she fell behind at the club. So basically,
Speaker 1: Declan Murphy told uh Benson, oh, I'm using your girl
Speaker 1: as a U see, but he didn't tell her all
Speaker 1: the details of like here's how I found her. So
Speaker 1: she's coming clean about it to Olivia. She's like, I
Speaker 1: got involved with them because I fell behind at this club.
Speaker 1: They found out I was a cop. They leveraged it
Speaker 1: against me, and it's like she just got extremely lucky
Speaker 1: that a guy she essentially offered to blow or fuck
Speaker 1: was an undercover might be the officer.
Speaker 2: And yeah, like this could have gone such a different way. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I could have had a yeah, blow like this dude.
Speaker 3: Right, and then my god, thank god he was an
Speaker 3: under Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the two crimes that she committed before she found
Speaker 1: out she was an undercover, though, is the trying to
Speaker 1: fix the parking tickets, which she it's not really like
Speaker 1: a crime. It is like she looked up where they
Speaker 1: do their like busts, and she followed the juror home,
Speaker 1: but she also didn't give them the information. So technically
Speaker 1: the only illegal thing that she did was gamble and
Speaker 1: then solicit not but like, I guess, no, you can
Speaker 1: fuck whoever you want for whatever reason you want, I guess.
Speaker 1: So she is so like, then the next step was
Speaker 1: offering to fuck this guy to get off of like
Speaker 1: her prop to get out of it, you know. So basically,
Speaker 1: Benson is like, all right, well, this guy Murphy might
Speaker 1: trust you, but I don't. And if I weren't so
Speaker 1: short staffed, i'd transfer you. And Rollins is like, I swear,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get back in your good graces. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try, and Lives like, oh okay, we're done here,
Speaker 1: Like Live is hard ass Live in this episode.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen her as mad, like,
Speaker 2: I know, outside of to.
Speaker 1: Of herb yeah right, but to like one of the
Speaker 1: detectives and to somebody who eventually becomes like her best friend,
Speaker 1: Like it is kind of it's a it's a fun
Speaker 1: arc though, how those two move, you.
Speaker 2: Know, But this is bad, like Rollins is bad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean Rollins here, you know.
Speaker 1: I know she just got desperate and did and like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I don't know how Live could
Speaker 1: ever forgive that your actions ledge with this woman being raped, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how she could forgive it, but.
Speaker 2: It just seems like I'll make it like I don't know,
Speaker 2: she doesn't feel guilty and sad enough for me, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and going there and trying to investigate. Is it's fucked
Speaker 2: intimidating them at the crime scenes.
Speaker 1: Fully, like trying to go, like trying to blow over,
Speaker 1: like tampering with evidence, like the whole case, like honestly
Speaker 1: the gun thing.
Speaker 3: Like Carlos Reva's lawyer.
Speaker 1: If they found out about her, as the OC could
Speaker 1: argue that this whole fucking case is fucked and that
Speaker 1: he can get off for the rate because there was
Speaker 1: a UC involved that was tampering with evidence, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully giving his giving his semen to a fucking medical examiner.
Speaker 1: I don't think Vice would have approved all that shit,
Speaker 1: but you know, here I am with my law degree
Speaker 1: from sv University. Okay, So then and Tomorrow, like look
Speaker 1: at her when she comes out and she kind of
Speaker 1: realizes that like no one in her whole fucking squad
Speaker 1: trusts her poker obsessed ass, and that's dick wolf, Baby,
Speaker 1: She's got a long way to climb out.
Speaker 3: Of this hole. What like four episodes, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's literally fucking Nick four episodes later, Like
Speaker 1: she's literally in a in a relations like a casual
Speaker 1: relationship with Tomorrow four episodes later. So I guess everybody
Speaker 1: forgave him forget pretty quick.
Speaker 2: All right, well, we can move right into these crimes.
Speaker 2: So this is the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum art.
Speaker 3: Heist, which I know nothing about.
Speaker 1: But when I saw this was it, I thought Lisa's
Speaker 1: gonna be thrilled.
Speaker 2: I was thrilled. And you know, it's a heist. We
Speaker 2: can all deal like. It's nice to have a little
Speaker 2: heist with all the grapes. So in nineteen ninety there
Speaker 2: was a theft of thirteen artworks from this museum, Isabella
Speaker 2: Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston. They made off with hundreds
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars in stolen art. And it's coming
Speaker 2: out about thirty five years ago that this happened. And
Speaker 2: so this woman, she's pretty fucking cool. So she lived
Speaker 2: from eighteen forty to nineteen twenty four, and she was
Speaker 2: an American art collector, of philanthropist, patron of the arts,
Speaker 2: and she founded the museum. She was popular and cool
Speaker 2: and obviously a NEPO. She was the daughter of a
Speaker 2: wealthy linen merchant and grew up.
Speaker 3: In Manhattan, Okay.
Speaker 2: She was known to enjoy flirting with scandal and gossip.
Speaker 2: According to CNN Style, she marries one of Boston's most
Speaker 2: eligible bachelors, and so that's how she got the gardener
Speaker 2: last name. And then he died in eighteen ninety eight,
Speaker 2: and suddenly she's like, you know what I'm going to realize,
Speaker 2: like our share dream of building a museum for all
Speaker 2: of our treasures. And it opened in nineteen oh three.
Speaker 2: There was a giant grand opening party, champagne and donuts.
Speaker 2: This bitch is fun. The Boston Symphony Orchestra played. So
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety two, men snuck into the museum disguised
Speaker 2: as police officers answering a distress call. It was like
Speaker 2: pre dawn hours of March eighteenth, nineteen ninety right after
Speaker 2: the Saint Patrick's Day parade, and you know Boston and Saint.
Speaker 1: Patty's Like, people are, I've been there for Saint Patrick's
Speaker 1: Day and it's fucking nuts. Wait, can I just wiggle
Speaker 1: it really quickly? Tell a story about when I went
Speaker 1: to Saint Patrick's Day in Boston. Of course I was
Speaker 1: fucked up, and I had a beer in my purse
Speaker 1: and somehow it got punctured and it started exploding all
Speaker 1: over my purse. So I got down on the street
Speaker 1: and I just dumped my whole purse out onto the
Speaker 1: street and I was just trying to like save my
Speaker 1: shit from getting soaked in beer.
Speaker 3: And these two girls walk by, and I heard this
Speaker 3: one girl go, promise me you'll never let me get
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: And you know what, I had a great day after
Speaker 1: that saved my shit kept going and I was in Southee. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the most Irish fucking area to be in Boston, and.
Speaker 3: It was nuts. That's so funny. That's it. Sorry to interrupt.
Speaker 3: I just had that thought PLoP into my head.
Speaker 2: I love Saint Patrick's Day and just tying up two
Speaker 2: guards is like, is this a cartoon?
Speaker 3: Is this Scooby Doo?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh, this is also the birthday of my brothers, my
Speaker 1: twin brothers. This would have been their third birthday, Okay.
Speaker 2: And they and this guy, I mean, they took rembrands
Speaker 2: for mere about like five hundred million dollars worth, But
Speaker 2: they also took like different things.
Speaker 3: They were kind of weird.
Speaker 2: They took a nondescript Chinese metal vase, a bronze eagle
Speaker 2: from a top a flagpole. Five minor sketches by dig
Speaker 2: oz A, Mane, Manette, Manet Mene. I think it's just
Speaker 2: crazy that like change it like Monet, Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just like kind of.
Speaker 1: They're like, I'm gonna kind of do that too, but
Speaker 1: I'm mayne. It's a cheater brand. It's honestly a cheater brand.
Speaker 1: You cannot be tipsy girl after skinny girl.
Speaker 2: Sorry, but the painting is the Chez Tortoni, or as
Speaker 2: I like to call it, Tordellini. And so they walked
Speaker 2: by tons of things worth millions, like jade figurines and
Speaker 2: are drawing by Michelangelo. But then they spent a giant
Speaker 2: amount of time fussing to get this vase. So it's
Speaker 2: just so really confusing. They also left behind a super
Speaker 2: prized red brand that they took down, but then they
Speaker 2: left leaning against a cabinet and then okay, so ANTHONYA.
Speaker 3: Morey is the director of security at.
Speaker 2: The museum now not during the heist, and he thinks
Speaker 2: that they just forgot it that red brand that was
Speaker 2: like you just.
Speaker 1: Take down a multimillion dollar painting and you're like, fuck, do.
Speaker 3: We forget that? That's so crazy?
Speaker 2: But I wonder why they went for these like flagpole
Speaker 2: things and different stuff, but left to Michaelangelo like what
Speaker 2: the specific things and asked you, yeah, like it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2: They also cut some paintings out from the front, and
Speaker 2: Kelly Horn, a deputy editor of The Boston Globe, said
Speaker 2: that to even leave remnants of the paintings behind was
Speaker 2: savage and that in his mind, it's sort of like
Speaker 2: slashing someone's throat. I love that's the CNN style, so
Speaker 2: really effective. The theft was not discovered until the cleaning
Speaker 2: crew arrived in the morning. One of the security guards
Speaker 2: did break pro to call and open the door for
Speaker 2: the thieves. So he's always been a suspect, but nothing's
Speaker 2: ever come from the suspicions and like the like, he
Speaker 2: never got any changes in income spending, like they've tracked him.
Speaker 3: I'm just confused.
Speaker 1: He opened the door for them, and then no one
Speaker 1: found out about the theft until the next morning, Like
Speaker 1: they were tied up.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, da da da.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so but not Also, not a single motion detector
Speaker 2: was set off, so they're like, are these people ghosts?
Speaker 2: The FBI says that eighty nine percent of museum heighs
Speaker 2: certain side jobs. No really, yeah, I mean, how like
Speaker 2: you need you need someone on the inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like kind of like even if you're like
Speaker 1: making money at a museum or you're an art dealer
Speaker 1: or anything like that, it's like the amount you could
Speaker 1: make selling one of these paintings is like astronomical. I'm
Speaker 1: sure it just like tempts people to like get involved
Speaker 1: in like the black market of it, all right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's nuts.
Speaker 2: Revenge or someone gets to you, like I just wonder
Speaker 2: if it's hot, like because the thieves have to manipulate
Speaker 2: you in some way and start a relationship with you or.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you reach out, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the director of security at the museum, Amore, he said,
Speaker 2: I'd be lying if I said it doesn't affect me.
Speaker 2: I walk by the empty frames every day.
Speaker 1: I don't get the ones that they cut out, Like
Speaker 1: you can't resell a painting that you cut out of
Speaker 1: a frame. That feels like you're just doing it to
Speaker 1: be horrible. That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of your behavior, Like they took some
Speaker 2: heavy frames but not others, like cut stuff out. But
Speaker 2: I think it's if it's an original, it's okay. If
Speaker 2: it's cut from the sides oh.
Speaker 3: I thought maybe they were just yeah yeah in terms
Speaker 3: of like resale value, yeah, but I.
Speaker 2: Wonder who they But like does a billionaire just keep
Speaker 2: it hidden and their basement.
Speaker 1: I feel like you sell it overseas or something where
Speaker 1: they're not going to get you get like you get
Speaker 1: some fucking rich guy in Qatar to buy it, like
Speaker 1: no one's going to come looking for American stolen art
Speaker 1: in the Middle East, or like I'm just throwing that
Speaker 1: country out there, you know, like other places as well.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just feel like or you know places where like
Speaker 1: billionaires here are such like public figures and people like
Speaker 1: know what's in their houses and they do like architectural
Speaker 1: digestors and shit like that, or you just.
Speaker 3: Would see the art billionaire.
Speaker 1: No, maybe not, but like they have parties, they have fundraisers,
Speaker 1: they have people in their homes that would see it.
Speaker 1: Like I think if you're just like if you own
Speaker 1: the police in the country where you live, maybe you're
Speaker 1: like who cares that's who you sell it to. I
Speaker 1: would imagine. I imagine that's who like is buying black
Speaker 1: market stuff.
Speaker 2: I think if you have it, no matter what country
Speaker 2: are and you can't hang it up for public views
Speaker 2: or things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you just like have a secret bunker gallery
Speaker 1: that you go in and just like look at your
Speaker 1: rem brands and then you go back to go up
Speaker 1: back upstairs.
Speaker 2: One of the like craziest tice, Like if you are
Speaker 2: I just don't think you can let people know you.
Speaker 1: But I always have wondered that my whole life. Whenever
Speaker 1: something huge, like when the Scream got stolen, I'm like,
Speaker 1: who's taking that?
Speaker 3: Where are you putting it? Like what's the point of it?
Speaker 1: Like if you can't look at it all the time
Speaker 1: and display it, Like I don't really get. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I guess I'm maybe it's just the power and
Speaker 1: the that you have that you have it, you own it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they kept the frames up because it was important
Speaker 2: to Isabella that the art was displayed in her way,
Speaker 2: so nothing's been removed, rearranged or anything. They also believe
Speaker 2: that the paintings will come back, so they want to
Speaker 2: have the frames ready for them. The museum, Like our
Speaker 2: SVU squad got so many tips, emails, and a lot
Speaker 2: of the calls are people who thought they spotted the
Speaker 2: art during house showings are Zillow pictures, but those were
Speaker 2: clearly reproductions for staging homes versus.
Speaker 1: I think that rant is in Saint Louis, Missouri, in
Speaker 1: a house that's for sale for three hundred and.
Speaker 2: Fifty thousand dollars the museum, the FBI in the US,
Speaker 2: that's what I mean. But if these people going to
Speaker 2: house things are like, that's a stolen Rembrandt, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't think you can put it up anywhere. Yeah, nobody
Speaker 2: has ever been charged, and the statue of limitations on
Speaker 2: the theft ran out in nineteen ninety five, but the
Speaker 2: FBI says it's there's still an active investigation.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: You could just go steal a piece of art and
Speaker 1: keep it hidden for five years and then the statute
Speaker 1: of limitations is gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, weird. That's nuts, crazy, all right, that is nuts.
Speaker 2: So now I guess you can hang the paintings. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when you go to the museum, there's still a page
Speaker 2: with an active ongoing investigation, and the museum's offering ten
Speaker 2: million dollar reward for information leading to the recovery of
Speaker 2: the stolen works. Thomas Whalen, a social scientist at Boston University,
Speaker 2: say they've never had a satisfactory conclusion to it or
Speaker 2: any clue about what happened. And that's to the New
Speaker 2: York Times in twenty seventeen. No informant has ever stepped
Speaker 2: forward very Boston.
Speaker 3: They say, yeah a more.
Speaker 2: The security director says that an art theft has a
Speaker 2: high rate of recovery, but typically it happens generations later,
Speaker 2: when people have died and informants feel safer about coming forward.
Speaker 2: He also is reminding people that the ten million dollar
Speaker 2: reward is not for the paintings, but for information leading
Speaker 2: to the paintings. So maybe a listener has information.
Speaker 1: Maybe you need your grandparents have some mov fucking rembrands
Speaker 1: hanging up.
Speaker 2: And you would only have to give us like a
Speaker 2: half a million dollars. Yeah, just for telling you about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a.
Speaker 2: He also says usually the stolen paintings stay local, so
Speaker 2: if it was taken in America, it stays in America.
Speaker 2: But I think that's like ignoring you know, private planes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I could do whatever I want. But the
Speaker 2: email is theft at i SGM dot org.
Speaker 1: So anybody have any tips c se us. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would pot at gmail.
Speaker 2: That would be huge for our podcast if we were
Speaker 2: able to crack. Yes, yes, that is my goal now
Speaker 2: because it's not like we'd be harassing like humans and
Speaker 2: thinking we could do police work.
Speaker 3: You know, there's like ethical stuff with that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Though I would love to solve a crime. Are you kidding?
Speaker 2: But this would be a fun one for us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just everyone, Yeah, everyone would be happy. Okay, now we
Speaker 2: have we do have murder though. So this is the
Speaker 2: murders of Prince Teddy Ktkar and Princess Nineshka Ketcar another
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties crime. April nineteen ninety three, a Park Avenue
Speaker 2: couple with the titles of nobility from India and connections
Speaker 2: in Manhattan social circles were found dead in their home.
Speaker 2: They were living on Park between sixty and sixty first
Speaker 2: So Prince Ktkar of ked Angaval He was a fifty
Speaker 2: seven year old financier and industrialist and then his wife
Speaker 2: Netshka was about fifteen years his senior and was born
Speaker 2: in South America.
Speaker 3: And she was married to a shoe.
Speaker 2: Manufacturer guy named Max Hoffman for ten years and lived
Speaker 2: in this apartment with him. So she was like wealthy
Speaker 2: on her own and the neighbors called them the Prince
Speaker 2: and Princess, even though there were suspicions of their actual nobility,
Speaker 2: and like they just called him Prince Teddy. But some
Speaker 2: of his social life friends were like not really believing
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 3: He was caught level of delusion. That's really fun. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's really fun. Like I need to be called Prince Teddy.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's truly Countess Luanne.
Speaker 1: It's count that she you know she I guess she
Speaker 1: had the receipts the Suez Canal and all that.
Speaker 3: Wait, what about the canal?
Speaker 1: She's like my husband's family, they're the count and countess
Speaker 1: because like my husband is a count because his family,
Speaker 1: his ancestors like founded the Suez Canal or something or
Speaker 1: conquered it or I don't know. That's but she would
Speaker 1: like people in a really condescending way in her early
Speaker 1: seasons before she truly found out who the real luandeleiseps is,
Speaker 1: which is a smoking, drinking, cabaret singing star that was
Speaker 1: beautiful but.
Speaker 2: He was so this but he was successful, well groomed,
Speaker 2: and they lived a really rich, fun lifestyle. Some say
Speaker 2: he was all talk, but whatever. So a maid arrives
Speaker 2: to clean the apartment discover the bodies and notified the doorman,
Speaker 2: which when you just call the cops, but I guess
Speaker 2: you didn't touch evidence.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The husband was in a pool of blood, laing face down,
Speaker 2: bleeding from a neck wound. The princess was on her
Speaker 2: back on the floor of the bedroom. She had no
Speaker 2: marks on her body, no wounds, both fully clothed, and
Speaker 2: the sixth room apartment was in disarray, no evidence of
Speaker 2: forced entry as well. At first, investigators didn't know if
Speaker 2: it was a double murder or murder suicide. But July
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, cops arrested two men in Reno connection
Speaker 2: with the crime and returned them back to New York
Speaker 2: to face charges of killing the couple and then two
Speaker 2: other people. So they ended up also killing two other
Speaker 2: people as well.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they killed two other people.
Speaker 2: So they were brought back for like four murders in
Speaker 2: New York and they found them because they were using
Speaker 2: the victim's credit cards, which is the dumbest thing ever
Speaker 2: and kind of an easy way to track, right, Like
Speaker 2: I don't understand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but in the nineties, like in the nineties,
Speaker 3: when you.
Speaker 1: Did your credit card, it was the thing, like it
Speaker 1: was the thing that like that did it.
Speaker 3: On carbon copy.
Speaker 1: So then by the time you like the store reports,
Speaker 1: it's like they probably had time to get away, like
Speaker 1: they'd be a couple, they could be a state away
Speaker 1: by the time they fucking got the credit company card
Speaker 1: to say it's not the right charge or whatever.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So, but they were having a fun time like charging
Speaker 2: the credit cards, and then they got into a fight
Speaker 2: and George called the police. So these two guys, so
Speaker 2: one of the so it's George Cabo he's fifty six
Speaker 2: years old, and Tony Lee Simpson who's twenty one years old,
Speaker 2: and they are lovers. They're a coup ah. Okay, so
Speaker 2: they're a couple. They're having fun in Vegas. They get
Speaker 2: into a fight, George calls the police and goes Tony
Speaker 2: did everything. And as soon as they're caught, Tony's like, actually,
Speaker 2: i'll tell you everything. George did it. So they caught themselves.
Speaker 2: What the fun, Like they wouldn't have even been called,
Speaker 2: like the credit cards wore evidence, but like one called
Speaker 2: the cops because they were probably in a drunk fight.
Speaker 3: And then the other was like, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually this is why you don't come at crimes
Speaker 1: with a romantic partner. You just too many emotions get
Speaker 1: in the way and one of you ends up just
Speaker 1: ratting on the other one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know they killed those guys. And then
Speaker 2: the additional crimes were the murder of Eric C. Prince
Speaker 2: and Milton A. Seltzer in their West End Avenue apartment
Speaker 2: one month sooner, Oh my gosh. And the those two
Speaker 2: murders were full blown to capitations. Oh now these are
Speaker 2: sikohs Oh my god. So January twenty third, nineteen nine.
Speaker 1: I'm honest, I'm surprised that Ryan Murphy's not has not
Speaker 1: made a series about them yet.
Speaker 2: Well, there's not it's not famous enough. I don't think
Speaker 2: a may a lot of research.
Speaker 1: Like I'm May December, like gay couple going on a
Speaker 1: killing spree.
Speaker 3: That's right up his fucking alley. We got to send
Speaker 3: it to.
Speaker 2: Him because even for like I had to read the
Speaker 2: the court like report to find out their sentences. Like
Speaker 2: there wasn't even articles about it. Oh wow, Like I
Speaker 2: had to scroll through court documents. Yeah, it's like for
Speaker 2: some reason, I mean even the New York Times was
Speaker 2: like not a lot. There's just not a lot, but
Speaker 2: the decapitations and then the like wealth of this other couple,
Speaker 2: I'm shocked it wasn't a bigger deal. Yeah, but Georgia
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety five got a hundred year prison sentence.
Speaker 2: But Cabo blamed the murders on his love. He was like,
Speaker 2: it's Tony, it's Tony. I'm afraid of Tony. I'm scared
Speaker 2: Tony would kill me. I just went along with it
Speaker 2: because Tony's a freak. So that was his kind of
Speaker 2: point of view. But a jury did find everyone guilty
Speaker 2: and they it was strangling the couple with a belt.
Speaker 2: But even with that, I don't know how there wouldn't
Speaker 2: be a mark. There were no marks on our body,
Speaker 2: but I feel like a strange You don't think the
Speaker 2: pressure would bruise at all, Like yeah, probably, or you
Speaker 2: don't bruise after death. Like I'm just I just don't
Speaker 2: know how there's no marks. I there'll be no marking
Speaker 2: with full strangulation. Yeah, that's crazy, confusing. They were tried separately,
Speaker 2: and then in November nineteen eighty five, Simpson was convicted
Speaker 2: of the murder as well and robbery of all four victims,
Speaker 2: including four counts of second degree murder and got two
Speaker 2: consecutive terms of twenty five years to life to run concurrently,
Speaker 2: and for robbery was sent to twelve and a half
Speaker 2: to twenty five years to run concurrently with the murder counts.
Speaker 2: So yeah, two of those consecutively. For the murders, that's
Speaker 2: fifty years, and then the robbery is concurrent, which I
Speaker 2: guess I'm okay with. But I don't know why Cabo
Speaker 2: would have gotten a hundred years and this guy only fifty.
Speaker 1: There must have been some evidence that he was really
Speaker 1: the doer, like they're like right, there had to have
Speaker 1: been some evidence, like maybe his height or something about him,
Speaker 1: that he was the doer and that the other guy
Speaker 1: was just kind of like accessory and was like involved
Speaker 1: and helped with all of it. But like, yeah, because
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense to me. The only difference
Speaker 1: between them is their age, Like Cabo is the older ones.
Speaker 3: Maybe they thought he was the mastermind. I have no idea, but.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if Simpson is eligible for parole because it's
Speaker 1: been you know, I've been looking.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find this, what I mean, like, I wasn't
Speaker 2: able to really find anything.
Speaker 3: Oh crazy, all right, but wow, but I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's because the name is also a hard name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony Lee Simpson, it's not. Yeah, maybe it's Anthony.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Wow.
Speaker 1: These are kind of juicy, both of these crimes. Thank
Speaker 1: you for giving us all the research because I did
Speaker 1: not really know about either of these at all.
Speaker 2: No, but they are, especially the museum one with that
Speaker 2: many millions, Like, that's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: It's also crazy that thirty five years have gone by,
Speaker 1: or twenty five years, thirty years or so. Yeah, five
Speaker 1: thirty five years have gone by, and like no one
Speaker 1: wants the reward, no one's stepping forward, Like it's kind of.
Speaker 2: Not well and hopeful. I wonder if we'll be alive
Speaker 2: when the paintings are found.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, Well we've got a great guest,
Speaker 1: so don't go anywhere. Oh my gosh, you guys today.
Speaker 1: Our guest is a truly beloved film and television actor.
Speaker 1: You may know him from shows like Vikings, Sons of Anarchy, Gotham,
Speaker 1: Grounded for Life, movies like Jared Guire Blade Zodiac, but
Speaker 1: you know him and you love him as the man
Speaker 1: trying to win an oscar for his undercover performances. Declan Murphy,
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Declan Murphy, please enjoy our chat with the amazing
Speaker 1: Donald Log.
Speaker 2: There's been no one that does so many undercover characters
Speaker 2: as Declan Murphy.
Speaker 3: But back to back.
Speaker 2: It's like he's a pedophile in the cell. He's speaking
Speaker 2: an accent here. I mean, you got to like do
Speaker 2: so many different characters in such a short amount of time.
Speaker 5: That was just Warren. Warren like like he knew he
Speaker 5: knew that. I like that he wanted to try that.
Speaker 5: So yeah too. It was so fun.
Speaker 2: Now when we meet you in The Gambler's Fallacy, did
Speaker 2: you know there was going to be an arc that
Speaker 2: you were going to be back or was this like a.
Speaker 3: One way Yeah.
Speaker 5: The breakdown of it was, I'd come back from doing
Speaker 5: Vikings and I had a meeting with this amazing guy
Speaker 5: named renou Heller who created Rome and the Mentalist, and
Speaker 5: he was doing this show called Gotham, and so I
Speaker 5: had a meeting with him and they were like, we're
Speaker 5: just starting to set the cast. We'd like to start,
Speaker 5: you know, we'd like to make this character the first
Speaker 5: one we start with. Would you be interested in doing it?
Speaker 5: And I said yeah, And then A few days later,
Speaker 5: I went up to Oregon and I got a call
Speaker 5: from Warren Light and Warren said, you know, I've always
Speaker 5: wanted to work with you, and you know we're we
Speaker 5: want to have a new captain on SBU, and the
Speaker 5: idea was for him to come in and be the
Speaker 5: captain for as long as so whatever Dan was playing
Speaker 5: before him, so it was completely open ended. And then
Speaker 5: I said, man, oh dude, I'd love to because it
Speaker 5: was a dream come true, but I have already contractually
Speaker 5: agreed to do this other thing. And so Warren said, well,
Speaker 5: let's why don't you do the pilot for GOTAM and
Speaker 5: just pum into the show and then do episodes between
Speaker 5: the pilot and if it gets picked up. And I
Speaker 5: had a feeling Got Them would get picked up, so
Speaker 5: I didn't think it was that much of a possibility,
Speaker 5: but it was. It was. I mean, I love Got Them,
Speaker 5: I love the people on it, but Law and Order
Speaker 5: SVU was another level of joy and job, and for
Speaker 5: many obvious reasons, and then for a lot of other
Speaker 5: personal and human reasons, like that job was like the greatest,
Speaker 5: honestly was I think it was the most thrilling thing
Speaker 5: I'd been part of we love.
Speaker 3: To hear this, We love that you've done.
Speaker 5: I mean it was it was exciting. Yeah, like and
Speaker 5: I have I have love for all of them. They're
Speaker 5: like you're like children, you know, you're like you love
Speaker 5: And there were there was terrier, there were the really
Speaker 5: amazing jobs that were kind of heartbreakers and should have
Speaker 5: or could have and then but Law and Order SVU
Speaker 5: was something something so different and it was interesting even
Speaker 5: talking to business like people in the industry about it,
Speaker 5: because there's a there's something about sometimes in the industry,
Speaker 5: people get distracted by the size of the you know,
Speaker 5: the glittering marketing of a tool that's like something new
Speaker 5: or and it's it's like, man, I don't know why
Speaker 5: they don't think about this in the same way. But
Speaker 5: like Law and Order SVU is like a worldwide and
Speaker 5: I'm not going to say religion in a way that
Speaker 5: dismisses one or the other. It's just people finds such
Speaker 5: deep comfort in it. And not just because it's ripped
Speaker 5: from the headlines and it's something that's on ten times
Speaker 5: a day, but because it speaks to people who have
Speaker 5: all been through you know, some level or some form
Speaker 5: of trauma. In their lives. It gives voice to people.
Speaker 5: It has such a deep spiritual importance. And for some reason,
Speaker 5: Marishka and Kelly and Danny and Ice and and everybody
Speaker 5: just welcomed me like like I had been there the
Speaker 5: whole time. But Marishka's it's it's phenomenal because first of all,
Speaker 5: she's the best what they so they have this saying
Speaker 5: of number one on the call sheet and it's and
Speaker 5: it's critical, right because it's a lot of the what
Speaker 5: the atmosphere and the culture and the health and the joy,
Speaker 5: and you know, it kind of starts on top and
Speaker 5: it comes down and there's a responsibility on the shoulders
Speaker 5: of number ones like Michael Chiklis and the Shield and
Speaker 5: just these people I've worked with and really loved. But
Speaker 5: you know, Marishka is like the greatest Number one Mama
Speaker 5: bear ever in this and whether even if Long Order
Speaker 5: SCU hadn't become the longest running show of all time,
Speaker 5: and et cetera, et cetera, she's just like a next
Speaker 5: level human being. And obviously when you've seen it in
Speaker 5: that world, even in SCU where people uh, and I
Speaker 5: don't understand it necessarily with actors, but you have years
Speaker 5: on something and somehow you want there's there's a You're like,
Speaker 5: there might be a greener pasture out there, and I
Speaker 5: want to check it out and explore. And she she
Speaker 5: never left, and she also knew that when you're number
Speaker 5: one on the call sheet, like I had a not
Speaker 5: I think I had an opportunity with Grounded for Life
Speaker 5: when it is Sick Home, I did when it was.
Speaker 3: I watched that in high school.
Speaker 5: That was one of my shows, and it made this
Speaker 5: really weird move from Box to the WB And there
Speaker 5: there was a whole contractual thing where you can kind
Speaker 5: of you can get if you want, and you know
Speaker 5: that there are like two hundred people and families that
Speaker 5: are supported by the fact whether this ship is floating
Speaker 5: or not. Yeah, And there's a responsibility to the crew,
Speaker 5: and there's a responsibility to your bosses. And if you're
Speaker 5: on something that's it's like the Discovery Channel like in
Speaker 5: the old days, it's like babyca Turtles. There's so many
Speaker 5: scripts and then there are so many pilots, and then
Speaker 5: there are only so many that get made, and then
Speaker 5: there are only so many to get picked up to series,
Speaker 5: and then there's only this tiny percentage that go beyond
Speaker 5: those first one or two seasons. And so if you're
Speaker 5: on a situation like that, imperative to stick with it
Speaker 5: until it finds its natural conclusion whenever that might be well.
Speaker 2: We've also heard that they shoot like rain, shine, snow, whatever,
Speaker 2: like they're doing it outside no matter what.
Speaker 3: And you shoot in New York all the time. Other
Speaker 3: show is not like that.
Speaker 5: No, they're all like that. It's honestly, it's honestly, like
Speaker 5: can get tricky because I I know on Gotham, you know,
Speaker 5: because Gotham had this vibe of being at night, and
Speaker 5: so there was a lot where it was like on
Speaker 5: a bridge in February in its minus twenty five, and
Speaker 5: there's there's a physical element to it. Because I never
Speaker 5: I got sick on Gotham, but I never missed work.
Speaker 5: But there are things where you're like inevitably you get
Speaker 5: pneumonia and stuff, but you can't stop. And so for
Speaker 5: the film production crews in the world who bikings all
Speaker 5: these it's you know, they're in the ocean, it's freezing outside.
Speaker 5: If it's a really cold night for you somewhere in
Speaker 5: Minneapolis or New York to walk from your apartment building
Speaker 5: to old foods or whatever it is. That's what they're
Speaker 5: doing for fourteen or fifteen hours, you know, and with
Speaker 5: a smile and with camaraderie. And yeah, like television crews
Speaker 5: are American television, and I say this about Canada and
Speaker 5: Ireland too. It's kind of like we're like a circus
Speaker 5: people worldwide. But they're so hard working and I'm always
Speaker 5: I'm never not amazed by just the positivity and the
Speaker 5: spree decors and all that kind of stuff. So and yeah,
Speaker 5: that's you know, yeah, I can't imagine anything. Yeah, there's
Speaker 5: nothing that would stop Rainhill, snow sleep whatever. It's not
Speaker 5: going to stop. Like, and what people don't necessarily understand
Speaker 5: is when you have this widget, so you have twenty
Speaker 5: two or twenty four episodes of television that you have
Speaker 5: to deliver, and they have to show on whatever night
Speaker 5: they air at nine o'clock or whatever. So you start
Speaker 5: the season in the summer and you have some months
Speaker 5: of head start because it takes it almost takes two
Speaker 5: weeks to shoot one episode, and so you're making all
Speaker 5: these episodes and trying to bank them and when they
Speaker 5: start coming out in September or where whatever, it is.
Speaker 5: It's the timeline start getting closer, and so you have
Speaker 5: to deliver it for post production this and that, and
Speaker 5: it's a race and you cannot stop that. And I've
Speaker 5: I don't know, I think little I'm trying to think.
Speaker 5: I think in all of my thirty six years, the
Speaker 5: only thing I remember shutting down for production was a
Speaker 5: few days on Little Women because when on the writer
Speaker 5: was really sick or something.
Speaker 3: But that's it. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: You know, I've never personally, I've never missed five minutes
Speaker 5: of work in thirty six years, never never called in sick,
Speaker 5: pro bones whatever it was. Wow, but that's what. That's what.
Speaker 3: Where'd your break a bone? The vikings on Terriers?
Speaker 5: I broke my shoulder, and on this slow budge indie
Speaker 5: movie I broke my ankle. Oh, but it was Terriers
Speaker 5: was weird because it was the last day of the
Speaker 5: second episode and I just snapped this bone toward my
Speaker 5: laborm and snapped this bone. It's called And then I
Speaker 5: knew I was super screwed, and we were all super
Speaker 5: screwed because I had to be in every scene. And
Speaker 5: then I was like, now let's just keep going. There's
Speaker 5: no shutting down, and it would have been horrible to
Speaker 5: shut down for me because it was such a great opportunity.
Speaker 5: But yeah, and I get more mad about getting hurt,
Speaker 5: not because it hurts, but because you're like, I'm scared
Speaker 5: of shutting down the god of production.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question about Gambler's Fallacy? And
Speaker 1: this is so funny because sometimes I think that you're
Speaker 1: an Irish actor because you are. You do add Irish accent,
Speaker 1: and I actually you came into my consciousness directly, even
Speaker 1: though I'm sure I've seen you in a million other
Speaker 1: things through Sons of Anarchy, and in my mind you
Speaker 1: were one of these Irish guys on Sons of Anarchy,
Speaker 1: but you weren't in Sons of Anarchy. I was just
Speaker 1: completely conflating other characters that you've done. So when you
Speaker 1: were doing Gambler's Fallacy and they were like, okay, you're
Speaker 1: going to be undercover as Declan Murphy instead of or
Speaker 1: as Declan O'Rourke instead of Decla Murphy, were you like,
Speaker 1: do you guys want me to do an Irish accent?
Speaker 6: Or was that always part of it? It was always
Speaker 6: part of it, okay, And it's really hard and in fact,
Speaker 6: there was a show I did called Sisters with Sarah
Speaker 6: Goldberg who is from Barry and this woman Susan Stanley
Speaker 6: from Ireland, and we did season one in Ireland and
Speaker 6: I played their Irish dad, And now season two's going
Speaker 6: down and I have to say, my parents are Irish, yeah,
Speaker 6: and they're from a very specific corner of Ireland.
Speaker 5: And the accents are so difficult that one I vaguely
Speaker 5: know because it's my parents' accent and my uncles and
Speaker 5: my cousins, and like, if someone said you have to
Speaker 5: do a Dublin accent, I couldn't. I absolutely couldn't. Or
Speaker 5: Northern Irish or Cork or there are so many specific
Speaker 5: accents and so I had to bring it to a
Speaker 5: part of the country where I vaguely but it's still
Speaker 5: it's so hard.
Speaker 2: Also, I wanted so Dan Florik was our first cast
Speaker 2: member guest so thrilling, but he said, being the captain
Speaker 2: feels like you are a traffic guard, like a crossing guard,
Speaker 2: because he's like, you're just always bossing everyone where to go.
Speaker 3: I feel like you had more. But did you ever
Speaker 3: feel that way?
Speaker 5: No, because I never inhabited that role and I wasn't
Speaker 5: there long enough for it, And then we had these special,
Speaker 5: weird episodes that kind of existed outside of what probably
Speaker 5: would have felt that way if if I had stuck around.
Speaker 5: But I do feel that there was something. By season fifteen,
Speaker 5: it seemed like there was legitimate concern about whether they
Speaker 5: were coming back. And this was some years before they
Speaker 5: This was some years before well Maloney you know.
Speaker 3: Was Yeah, it was like a big shakeup, So that
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 5: But that was this was seven, when Wind.
Speaker 1: Twelve after twelve, so then fourteen fifteen, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 5: This thing that happens where it's just political and it's
Speaker 5: weird and it's television. And there was something about that
Speaker 5: season fifteen that there was like some gas on the fire.
Speaker 5: There was something special about that run in when I
Speaker 5: was when I happened to be around SVU, I felt
Speaker 5: like it was crackling and.
Speaker 2: Well you Rolins being a bad girl, you know, there
Speaker 2: was there's like a lot of term within the department.
Speaker 5: And I will say, you know, I've worked with a
Speaker 5: ton of amazing people, but there are times where I'm
Speaker 5: in the middle of a scene and I can think
Speaker 5: of times I can think of a time with Vincentinoprio
Speaker 5: and this thing called Steal this movie. I can think
Speaker 5: of different times in the middle of a scene with someone,
Speaker 5: and one was with Kelly and where I was like,
Speaker 5: I'm so glad this person has chosen to do what
Speaker 5: they are doing with their life for a living because
Speaker 5: she's so good. There was a scene in Gambler's Fallacy
Speaker 5: where the pregnant girlfriend of the Gallery Money Blounderer we
Speaker 5: were in the office behind the casino or whatever it was,
Speaker 5: and Kelly just cleared her desk off just was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was scripted or not, and
Speaker 5: I'm like this, this woman throws down so hard and
Speaker 5: she's so easy to do things with. And I don't
Speaker 5: know if I did a good job in Gambler's Fallacy
Speaker 5: or not, but I know from being in it that
Speaker 5: I was like, that's like the coolest episode of television
Speaker 5: I ever got to be around. And then I got
Speaker 5: to meet these people, and then there was this arc
Speaker 5: to it where in the read through, I remember when
Speaker 5: he reveals he's NYPD Declan Murphy and he's been undercover
Speaker 5: and like, i'ms throws his script down and he's like
Speaker 5: fucking everybody's like, God, what this is like they didn't
Speaker 5: know what's coming.
Speaker 2: I love it, and as a viewer, were relieved that
Speaker 2: Rollins didn't have to like go down on this guy.
Speaker 5: We're like, right, and I tell people like that pushed
Speaker 5: this long orders for you land so far because when
Speaker 5: he's pressing record on me, you know, and it's like
Speaker 5: you assume that it went this dark and then it
Speaker 5: worked and then for him to go look and it
Speaker 5: was so great because he can come in and say
Speaker 5: she helped, she helped stop this, She helped. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: just as someone who killed cops. And the guy's like, well,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to go to eighth floor with this,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, I'm gonna go to the eleventh floor, right,
Speaker 5: And then he gets to kind of walk off into
Speaker 5: the sunset at the end of the episode, and it's like, who.
Speaker 3: Is totally how was this?
Speaker 1: He's like talking about himself in third person, He's like,
Speaker 1: defly Murphy believes in redemption. Wait, but speaking of being
Speaker 1: amazing at what they do, I really really need to
Speaker 1: ask you.
Speaker 3: We got to ask you about the scene.
Speaker 1: We just covered this episode a few weeks ago on
Speaker 1: the podcast Thought Criminal, where you are in the cell
Speaker 1: with Kevin from the office. I believe the actor's name
Speaker 1: is Brian Bryan, but yeah, brought baumb gardener something and
Speaker 1: you just pissed yourself. You're undercover as another pedophile and
Speaker 1: then you piss yourself.
Speaker 3: You are like the.
Speaker 1: Oscar winning undercover cop of the NYPD, because that's.
Speaker 2: What I was mentioning, because at that episode two you
Speaker 2: were a high end photography enthusiast pedophile. Then you're this
Speaker 2: like piss your pants like every socioeconomic pedophile you can get,
Speaker 2: and then you were an Irish Knitz sweater.
Speaker 3: Oh lonely guy, Yeah, lonely guy.
Speaker 5: On Vaca, I went, I was just back in Ireland
Speaker 5: and we still have a house in kemmy Kerry, and
Speaker 5: I was in this kind of quills, you know, Aaron
Speaker 5: sweater shop, and the women were like law and order,
Speaker 5: law and order, lawn order. And then they said everyone
Speaker 5: in Ireland was so bummed out about like he's wearing
Speaker 5: the big Irish knit sweater. And I'm like, I understand,
Speaker 5: but I will say the craziest thing and it's not
Speaker 5: it's it happened yesterday. I'm in Boston now for a
Speaker 5: few weeks. But the street love and had I stayed
Speaker 5: on SVU, obviously it would be more cemented. But the
Speaker 5: street love you get for being in sbu Land is
Speaker 5: so and it's things that and I don't mean they're
Speaker 5: super smart agents and managers and all that stuff, but
Speaker 5: they don't understand that there were so many jobs I got,
Speaker 5: even in the last few years where they were like, well,
Speaker 5: I'm glad I made that magic phone call to that
Speaker 5: producer or whatever, and I'm like, I know how I
Speaker 5: got it. They saw Gambler's Fallacy on TV at two
Speaker 5: in the morning and they were like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: that fucking It's like how much how many people watch it?
Speaker 5: How much dust it kicks up? And especially in New
Speaker 5: York where you're walking down the street and someone gets
Speaker 5: the brakes and they're like, my man, Murphy. It feels
Speaker 5: so like the law and Order. It feels so part
Speaker 5: of the fabric because it's coming into people's homes. Like
Speaker 5: why TV is so direct and not regarding I And
Speaker 5: now that's how we watched films do But you know,
Speaker 5: it's like you're in people's homes with them and they
Speaker 5: have this emotional connection.
Speaker 1: What are you doing in Boston right now, Donald, what
Speaker 1: are you? Are you on a project?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's my girlfriend just moved into this apartment
Speaker 5: in Cambridge.
Speaker 1: Oh so you're not You're not on a project there
Speaker 1: right now, You're just visiting, Okay.
Speaker 5: I always, I always felt like I was more of
Speaker 5: a Boston person than a New York person. And I
Speaker 5: really I did time here. I did years here when
Speaker 5: I was a little kid in college, and then I
Speaker 5: did my years in New York. But Boston is Boston's
Speaker 5: produced spectacular.
Speaker 3: Well, the big Irish community.
Speaker 1: Maybe you felt like the Irish love in Boston.
Speaker 5: I felt the Irish love. I felt the Irish awkwardness
Speaker 5: in Boston because my parents we came here when I'm
Speaker 5: in nineteen in the in the late sixties, and they
Speaker 5: were Irish immigrants, like a lot of Irish immigrants do.
Speaker 5: But there was a huge community here where where people
Speaker 5: are very Irish American. But it's like a hunt that
Speaker 5: it's one hundred and fifty years removed from when ancestors
Speaker 5: came over, and it's that weird. It's a different Irish
Speaker 5: American is a different thing. I am very Irish American,
Speaker 5: but I'm not Irish like it's a it's a strange Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's a strange culture. But here's here's a huge segue
Speaker 5: that makes no sense. But so one of my closest
Speaker 5: friends on Planet Earth, my brother till I die, is
Speaker 5: Robert Burke. And so when Robert Burke at the end
Speaker 5: of it was it season fifteen or sixteen where he.
Speaker 3: Robert John Burke.
Speaker 1: Oh, Robert John Burke. We love him. He did our podcasts.
Speaker 1: We love him.
Speaker 3: We talked to him for a while.
Speaker 2: We do want to go to Fire Island and the.
Speaker 5: House is phenomenal, and he's the.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, he's.
Speaker 5: My blood, he's my brother brother. And we met and like.
Speaker 1: The listeners are gonna wait, and one of you has
Speaker 1: a character that was in love with Robins, and the
Speaker 1: other one has a character that was in love with Benson,
Speaker 1: and they're like sisters on the show.
Speaker 3: This is all coming.
Speaker 5: We also met in n like we met in nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety two. We were gonna go do We worked on
Speaker 5: this Oliver Stone movie called Heaven and Earth in Thailand,
Speaker 5: and I thought he was like the coolest dude of
Speaker 5: all time. And he's older than me and his parents
Speaker 5: are from Ireland like mine. And he's just the greatest.
Speaker 5: He's so smart, he's so kind, he's he's like a badass,
Speaker 5: he's all you know, he's one of those dudes who
Speaker 5: it's so weird, Like he's the only person I know
Speaker 5: where people are really competitive about other guys will be like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 5: Bobby Burke and I'll be like, he's one of my
Speaker 5: best friends, and they'll go, no, Bobby Burke is my
Speaker 5: best friend.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, Robert, why the fuck are people so
Speaker 5: competitive with you about your male friendships? You know? And
Speaker 5: but that was one thing that was sad because we
Speaker 5: talked about that because there was there was some discussion
Speaker 5: and the I'm like, of course Marishka would fall like
Speaker 5: who wouldn't fall in love with Robert Burke. Like that
Speaker 5: guy's he's like Gabriel Oak from far from the madding crowd,
Speaker 5: Like he just is as solid. He's an amazing actor too,
Speaker 5: and he's just such a great guy. But when we
Speaker 5: got to do and I can't remember what episode it was,
Speaker 5: but it was on Roosevelt Island where we got to
Speaker 5: kind of square off because he's internal affairs and we
Speaker 5: got to square off in the.
Speaker 3: Hall yeah, and I was like, bet, it's the obsession. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I'm like yeah, I'm like, lock, I get to I
Speaker 5: get to Like we were both like, holy shit. You
Speaker 5: look at our journeys since nineteen ninety two when we
Speaker 5: first sat that cool and all of them and Robert
Speaker 5: Burke's this buddy I have. We it's called like we
Speaker 5: do this. I don't know why it started in Bencok,
Speaker 5: but we'd have this kind of debrief about each other's
Speaker 5: lives over Turkey club sandwiches and I can measure through
Speaker 5: the birth of our children and good things and difficult
Speaker 5: things and loss of parents or whatever it is. There's
Speaker 5: a Turkey club sandwich. Check him with Bobby Burke. No,
Speaker 5: And so, my god, we got to be in this
Speaker 5: show together in a hallway. It was Yeah, it was
Speaker 5: pretty phenomenal.
Speaker 3: So that's so cool. Wow, I can't believe. And god
Speaker 3: we got that that we got to that, Oh my god. No.
Speaker 1: We loved talking to him so much, like he was
Speaker 1: the best and like he got tierry talking about his mom,
Speaker 1: Like he was so open with us and like he
Speaker 1: was just such a great, great guest.
Speaker 3: Zodiac.
Speaker 2: What was it like working with David Fincher and then
Speaker 2: you co wrote Danny Trejose memoir.
Speaker 3: So that's all we need to know about both of
Speaker 3: those things very quick.
Speaker 5: I knew David super like. I knew David from just
Speaker 5: kind of around, and I did before the MTV Cab Driver.
Speaker 5: I did these weird like Rock the Boat spots or
Speaker 5: something with David Fincher as he's school MTV commercials or whatever.
Speaker 5: I think he's the greatest, And I yeah, Zodiac was.
Speaker 5: I think Zodiac is the best film I've ever been in.
Speaker 5: It's such a how like Mark Ruffalo is a good friend,
Speaker 5: watching Mark and Robert Downey Junior and Jake and like
Speaker 5: it was so cool to be around and do And
Speaker 5: my little sister was in Zodiac who was my little
Speaker 5: sister and sons and terriers and in Zodiac she plays
Speaker 5: this motorist who comes across Ione Sky's character when she's
Speaker 5: looking for a baby, when she throws the baby out
Speaker 5: the So anyway, there's all kinds of ties. And I
Speaker 5: remember David Venture is such a stickler. There was a
Speaker 5: person there was a character in Benjamin Button or something,
Speaker 5: trying to think of what it was, but they need
Speaker 5: to deliver one line. But they couldn't do it, and
Speaker 5: he couldn't get anyone in New Orleans, and so David
Speaker 5: Fincher flew my little sister out there to do this
Speaker 5: one thing, just because he's so specific about what he
Speaker 5: wants and granular and then yeah, Danny Trejo, just before
Speaker 5: Robert Burke we met, and Danny and Robert are like
Speaker 5: the trident of the two dudes in my life who
Speaker 5: have been in my life in the most critical way
Speaker 5: of like, you know, you're going through a breakup with
Speaker 5: kids or you know, like the real life stuff, and
Speaker 5: they're the dudes that are there. And so Danny I've
Speaker 5: been friends with. In nineteen ninety one, I was the
Speaker 5: janitor at this drug and alcohol rehabby center place in
Speaker 5: l and I met Danny because he was coming in
Speaker 5: to speak, and we've been super tight since then. And
Speaker 5: it was a huge joy to introduce him to Robert
Speaker 5: Burke and watch my two super homies come together. And
Speaker 5: then yeah, and then you know, Danny said, isn't the
Speaker 5: world wild? Because when I met you, when you were
Speaker 5: a janitor at that place, like, who would know that
Speaker 5: God put you in my path that you would be
Speaker 5: the one to write my book all those years later
Speaker 5: and be trusted enough as a friend to be in
Speaker 5: a confidant in that regard. But have a little bit
Speaker 5: of writing, you know, kind of collegiate writing skills or
Speaker 5: whatever not to capture some prose. And but yeah, Danny,
Speaker 5: Danny and yeah, Danny and Robert are like my brothers, brothers.
Speaker 1: And we've kept you for an We've kept you for
Speaker 1: over an hour. And what we could honestly have a
Speaker 1: part two with you.
Speaker 3: Is so right to talk to your Do you have something?
Speaker 1: Do you have anything coming up that you want people
Speaker 1: to look out for?
Speaker 5: No, I just yeah, if I can leave it with anything,
Speaker 5: It's just about the quality of human beings that everybody
Speaker 5: at that place, and I'm talking about everybody and every
Speaker 5: single sling in department like that's and it wouldn't and
Speaker 5: it wouldn't go any other way, Like you couldn't wander
Speaker 5: into law and order SDU and not be a cool
Speaker 5: person and have it. It's like it regulates. There's no,
Speaker 5: it's not allowed, you know. And they're just yeah, they're
Speaker 5: they're they're phenomenal people. And what are what I was
Speaker 5: so fortunate, Like I can't even imagine, Yeah, like how
Speaker 5: much rich of my life was because of like that
Speaker 5: sometimes and.
Speaker 2: Your friends and your decades long friendships. That's like an
Speaker 2: accomplishment and cool thing as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the most important thing, right like is to
Speaker 5: have yeah for us, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: You Robert Burke our best friend. That is like the
Speaker 1: funnest thing ever. Robert John Berke, Sorry, Robert John Berke.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to Is there anything you
Speaker 1: want to plug before?
Speaker 5: There's no like the only I'm doing a book because
Speaker 5: of the Danny book, but it'll take forever. And the
Speaker 5: business is so weird and it's just changing so radically,
Speaker 5: and it's pretty fascinating. I mean, they're always going to
Speaker 5: be making stuff. It's just yeah, I think unfortunately for
Speaker 5: people I started in nineteen eighty nine out of Boston,
Speaker 5: I've been a you know, I got my SAG card,
Speaker 5: I've worked in that business. I've maximized my union credits
Speaker 5: in terms of pension blah blah blah, like I had
Speaker 5: that built for me in my life. If I've had
Speaker 5: health insurance for me and my family, and I don't
Speaker 5: know if this new and for the cruise NIATSI and
Speaker 5: all this stuff. I'm just I don't know any of
Speaker 5: the world that I came up with that that kind
Speaker 5: of mirrors the Law and Order Dick Wolf franchises, and uh,
Speaker 5: you know, so it's it's changing. But Dick Wolf is
Speaker 5: actually quite an interestingly cool dude too. And what a
Speaker 5: phenomenal Yeah, what a wild what a wild success story.
Speaker 3: Seriously, it was so great to talk to you. Donald Bye, Donald,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 2: Well that was incredible. Oh my god, somebody I've wanted
Speaker 2: to meet. I think since day one. I do bring
Speaker 2: up grounded for life, yes, more often than not, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, it was also nice. I watched all
Speaker 2: nine of his episodes in prep for it, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't It was really funny for me to see all
Speaker 2: the undercovers in.
Speaker 3: Rapid like that.
Speaker 2: It's like, this motherfucker is just like a trunk full
Speaker 2: of costumes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I just like love. I don't know, I
Speaker 3: love that guy. He works so much, he's so appreciative
Speaker 3: of his career, Like he seems like he loves everybody
Speaker 3: he works with. I mean, I think, I don't.
Speaker 1: I just I was happy to get one of Rollin's
Speaker 1: baby Daddy's you know what I mean, Like that's a
Speaker 1: get that's a get for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Rollin's the fact that she has a
Speaker 2: job at all, and as a professor, like the fact
Speaker 2: that that bitch has a pension.
Speaker 3: And not in jail Like I cannot, I cannot.
Speaker 1: It is one of the wildest stretches of the imagination
Speaker 1: that s FU makes us, makes us participate in, Like
Speaker 1: this whole episode is so crazy.
Speaker 2: Like just that she's but she had us too, like
Speaker 2: just having that sort of twist handed like you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well like also, well, I mean we forget that,
Speaker 1: like whatever happened when the video camera came on, Rollins
Speaker 1: was ready to get down on her knees, like she
Speaker 1: was ready to fuck this guy to keep her career
Speaker 1: and keep her life.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: So you do get a sense of, like she is
Speaker 1: very good at conveying I think the rock bottomness of
Speaker 1: gambling addiction, and like any kind of addiction where you're
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I guess I one bad decision to
Speaker 1: try to fix the last bad decision, stacked on top
Speaker 1: of each other forever, you know, Like but this time
Speaker 1: I think maybe it's stuck.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It feels like she doesn't gamble anymore now, now that
Speaker 1: she's got three kids.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think she.
Speaker 2: I think Cariese's keeping her on the straight and narrow,
Speaker 2: and I think.
Speaker 3: I think she learned. She might, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just it because I was about to say she's
Speaker 2: learned for good, but I'm like, she might have actually
Speaker 2: had more past this, Like I don't remember the order
Speaker 2: of her transgression, but I also don't know if this
Speaker 2: is pre your post, like lying for her sister, and
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, she's lying all the time. Tomorrow's killing
Speaker 2: unarmed black teens. We have Benson covering for her brother.
Speaker 2: I mean, this goes on and on with the illegal
Speaker 2: stuff that are but the fact that he I'm glad
Speaker 2: you remembered when we asked him about the super Bowl
Speaker 2: episode because when he didn't fully remember at first, and
Speaker 2: I was like, does that blue leopard print top not
Speaker 2: live in your head? Excuse me? Bearing what the fuck
Speaker 2: are you talking about? Oh my god, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I already mentioned this on the pot or not
Speaker 2: Kill Me whatever. Season nine of SVU is on Delta,
Speaker 2: so I put it on, not thinking put on alternate, Like,
Speaker 2: let's go, what was I wearing?
Speaker 3: My full cast SVU sweatshirt.
Speaker 2: People probably assumed I had some sort of emotional problems,
Speaker 2: like the fact that I'm wearing the sweatshirt watching the show.
Speaker 2: I'm like, and then I met a baby in a
Speaker 2: Miss Rachel shirt and I'm like, oh, okay, I am
Speaker 2: I'm a baby. Well that's it makes sense.
Speaker 3: When Jared gold See was just like, you're a fucking nerd.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you don't know that, And then I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there in a nice sweatshirt on the show being like, Wow,
Speaker 2: I'm a nerd.
Speaker 3: I'm a nerd.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're that big of a nerd. Well,
Speaker 1: you're a nerd over certain things. Everybody's a nerd over
Speaker 1: some shit. You're a Luigi nerd, that's for sure, I know.
Speaker 1: And John Love it was not fully having it. He's well,
Speaker 1: his listeners, I don't know, he's gotta be like.
Speaker 3: You know, but he said it.
Speaker 2: He actually was pretty clever because we obviously I brought
Speaker 2: you up in Jared like the two people I know
Speaker 2: that goes to his holiday party, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: we have mutual so we brought the podcast up, and
Speaker 2: then I also with Luigi, I was just like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, Ariostour's done, so now we all have a
Speaker 2: new thing. And then once we start talking about the podcast,
Speaker 2: he goes, oh, you like mysteries, He goes, you like secrets, mysteries,
Speaker 2: figuring stuff out, and I go, yeah, you really figured
Speaker 2: it out for me. That's what I'm into. Wow, Like
Speaker 2: I just hadn't heard it so plainly said to my face.
Speaker 2: And I liked it, and he yeah, I think he
Speaker 2: got me.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing with the sv too is like the
Speaker 1: first half of the show is usually mysteries, and then
Speaker 1: the second half is like a justice system that will
Speaker 1: never be real, you know, like the feeling of the
Speaker 1: feeling of fulfillment of a of a criminal getting.
Speaker 3: With Sometimes the mystery never ends, you know, in the
Speaker 3: second part. Yeah, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But back to this episode. Also, I really loved these
Speaker 1: two crimes. I mean I didn't love I don't love crimes.
Speaker 1: I don't love anyone getting murdered. But I had never
Speaker 1: heard of these two nineties crimes of like this big
Speaker 1: art heist and this like murder of this prince and princess, like.
Speaker 2: Carrie, you won't even believe this. I was out socially.
Speaker 2: I was actually at the Hermiceo. I went to the
Speaker 2: Hermiceo to make some of our friends, and someone brought
Speaker 2: up the museum. I got to like, flex, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: so fresh in my brain because sometimes the thing's going
Speaker 2: out or I can dup it some pieces, but it
Speaker 2: was like so fresh in my brain that I got
Speaker 2: to yeah.
Speaker 3: Kind of see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the similar situation, we were all sitting around the
Speaker 1: dinner table in New Hampshire, me and my camp girls,
Speaker 1: and somebody goes, you know what I just found out
Speaker 1: about this guy in Austria, FRITZL And I go, get
Speaker 1: the fuck out of here right now. I know every
Speaker 1: single fucking thing about this guy that you'll ever need
Speaker 1: to know. Like, like she was trying to tell the story,
Speaker 1: I go, are you seriously gonna sit here and tell
Speaker 1: the story in front of me?
Speaker 3: Like okay?
Speaker 2: Like it was, Oh my god, the movie theater by
Speaker 2: my house is playing Silence of the Lambs.
Speaker 1: Ooh, I would love to see Sons of the Lambs
Speaker 1: on the big screen.
Speaker 3: I never have. That is cool. That is really cool.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, how we could help.
Speaker 1: Let's get to our Yeah, let's get to our What
Speaker 1: would sister Peg do this week? For what Sister peg Do,
Speaker 1: which is our weekly segment where you guys know, we
Speaker 1: direct you towards uh an organization and article, a book,
Speaker 1: a doc something to give you more info about what
Speaker 1: that today's episode was about. And we'd like to point
Speaker 1: you to the National Council on Problem Gambling. This organization
Speaker 1: is the only national nonprofit organization that seeks to minimize
Speaker 1: the economic and social costs associated with gambling addiction. One
Speaker 1: of their programs is one eight hundred Gambler, which is
Speaker 1: quote a one stop hub connecting people looking for assistance
Speaker 1: with a gambling problem to local resources. You can actually
Speaker 1: go on their website and there's like a full map
Speaker 1: of the United States and you can click on your
Speaker 1: state and get local, local resources, which is I think
Speaker 1: is great. So for more information on this organization, go
Speaker 1: to NCP gambling dot org or call one eight hundred
Speaker 1: Gambler and that, as usual, will be posted in a
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