WEBVTT - Gambler's Fallacy w/ Donal Logue 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.160 These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done. 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:33.000 Done, Hello, we are here s I've done this eight 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:33.720 hundred times. 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.960 I can't believe this just happened to me. This is 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.919 thats messed up an sv podcast. And I am Lisa Trigger. 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:42.280 And I'm Kark Gleg and this is our two hundred 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.000 and twenty third episode and Lisa is. 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.440 Not knowing how the name of the bob what happened. 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.440 I'm looking at the name of the episode we're covering, 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.040 and it broke my brain. So I'm looking at our 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.920 sheet and I'm like, what's going on here? But I 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:57.840 do know the name of our podcast, and I wear 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:03.320 our merch everywhere like I It is embarrassing because sometime, 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:05.440 like I said, at soul Cycle, people be like, hey, 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:06.720 love the pod. 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.000 And I'm wearing an icy sweatshirt holding. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.280 Do you have a children detective bag? And I'm like, 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:12.920 I need to get out of here. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:17.000 No, I love it. And speaking of merch, by the way, everybody, 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.720 you have to go see Lisa on tour because she 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.720 is selling Did I make it to the fridge, Yeah, 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.800 oh you're on my fridge. Baby baby Lisa will be 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.559 looking at me on my fridge forever. She's right next 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.720 to Honestly, this all ties in perfectly. She's right next 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.760 to my magnet that I got from an amazing listener. 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:38.320 That is the woman from It's Isabella Rossolini from Death 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.040 becomes her as well as Meryl Street from She Devil. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.280 You're like in between them. Lisa is selling magnets of 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.560 her baby Lisa in front of her awl collection and 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.640 it's an amazing magnet. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:51.400 So you need to go to see her on tour 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:52.200 so that you can buy that. 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.120 Thank you so much, because it is a Mythsvah, you 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.160 said that, And if you've seen me live, you know 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.600 I've been talking about it. The magnets are so heavy. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.280 I'm so so mad at Kara. We've been selling magnets 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.639 for the podcast for years. Not a peep, not a peep. 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:07.840 Every club I go to that got the box, they 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:09.320 were like, what the fuck is in there? That's the 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.560 heaviest box we've ever got. And it's a small box. 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.320 That's what's crazy. It's a small box. That weighs I 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.040 would say sixty pounds. 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.600 Yeah, the box is wild because it is like a 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.000 very small box that's just packed with magnets. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:21.680 It's so heavy. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:23.360 But I don't bring the whole box, like when we 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.440 go on tour, I just bring. I usually bring what I. 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.639 Think you to be a little more organized than that. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.520 Because the week before I was in Portland, I go, oh, 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:34.600 I should have merch huh. And then I also like, 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.919 also people come to see me that haven't seen the specials, 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.560 so they're like, what is this, or they someone came 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.160 from survival, and so then it's like it's also fully 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.200 out of context. It's assuming so much onto the person. 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.639 But I just like magnets I buy. I loved our 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.280 magnets we sold, and I love Broadway magnets. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:58.800 Yeah they're so cute. Oh my god, wait what you 0:02:59.040 --> 0:02:59.600 just saying? 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.480 That minds me that you saw death becomes her, that 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.680 I saw death becomes her, and you told me how 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:05.520 great the merch was. 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.840 And I didn't even go by the merch table. Fuck 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.440 I had I had had a little bit of worry. 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.839 I bought two pin sets. Okay, they were so too 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.560 Maybe I can have one like I I we went 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.640 and like I got I had a little bit of 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.760 wine before and then I got the like the big 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:23.840 wine there that comes in the little Death Becomes Her, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.919 like cup, You got the cup? Yeah, but I left 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:28.200 it at my friend's house. I was like, you can 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.600 have a set, you know, and and I like, I 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.320 think I was just a little bit buzzed, and I 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:34.920 didn't go to the fuck Now, I'm so mad I 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.880 didn't go to the merch table. But honestly, what what 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.080 a wreck I've been telling anyone that will fucking listen. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.000 Death Becomes Her was one of the best musicals I've 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:48.560 seen on Broadway. I usually don't see something I'll be honest, 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.320 most of the musicals I've seen, I kind of know 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.440 a little bit of the music before I go, Like, 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.480 I knew none of the music. I thought the music 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.160 was so good. I thought the staging was so good. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.640 I didn't see the main woman that plays the Goldie 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.560 Hawn part. I guess she was out that day. But 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.600 I saw Megan Hilty and Michelle Williams from I think 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.720 Megen Hilty is the main one. No, there's another woman 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.960 who's like a Broadway legend that plays the other one. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:13.680 But like she was out that day. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.080 But still the girl who played her was amazing, Like 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.840 the understudy was sickening. They were so good, Like I 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.400 just loved it. Maybe I was buzzed, but I loved 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:24.200 every second of it. 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.680 No, And as a lover of the movie, I thought 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.960 there would be moments of disappointment or confusion or I 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.080 don't know, and I felt none of that. But it's 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.880 so funny. So I just got my gray covered. And 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:39.600 my hairstylist she loved it. But she her daughter, who's 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.360 only like four or six sick. I don't know, ages 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.839 are hard, but a child, No, she's six, because she's yeah. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.880 I'm like remembering where she is in school and reading. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.159 Okay, Anyways, she loved the music, so she actually took 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.680 her child, who's seen it now twice, who loved it? 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:54.960 Who? 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:56.320 And then she's like, I don't know if I could 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.400 show her the movie, because it's true, once you see. 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.000 The musical at my be hard to Yeah, especially as 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:03.040 a child. 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.120 Well that's so funny because when I was watching it, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.040 I was like, I wonder if Rosie would like this, 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:08.720 Like I would love to bring Rosie to this. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:13.719 And then I loved the set I feel like Rosie 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.000 would love the set and the darkness and like the 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:17.160 effects of it all. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.240 And honestly, I think Oscar might be my Broadway baby. 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.960 Like Oscar is always asking me to play Wicked. 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.559 Oh, I mean the guy, the little guy who's wearing 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:27.320 a Frozen dress. 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.599 Yeah, he might be the Broadway might be my musical guy. 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.000 Just saying he might be, I'm I know, I'm gonna 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.960 make a huge swing here and say he might be. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.279 Like like I was like thinking this summer, I'm going 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:38.560 to be in New York, and I was like, I 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:40.680 should take him to a musical. But I would I 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.560 like to say, so something that's not Lion King. I 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.360 don't feel the need to see Lion King a second 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.599 time and before, But why. 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.440 Don't you just go to theater that's not Broadway that's 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.960 geared towards children that are that young, Cause it's like 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.520 that's like, ugh, Like I don't know, I've gone to 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.400 a bunch of stuff like that, and it's just more 0:05:58.640 --> 0:05:59.839 it's straight for the kids. 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:01.360 Like I'd like to go to something that we both enjoy, 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.279 you know what I mean. Like if they were doing 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.240 Frozen on Broadway, which I think they did, do, Like, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.120 I bet we'd both enjoy that, you know what I mean. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.680 But like I think right now, people let me know 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:10.920 if there's something that you think a four. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.240 Year old is there, like a turtle? Yeah, like I 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:18.280 would maybe six. He might like six because there's no intermission. 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:19.479 I think it was just one. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:24.720 Act and the pop yeah, the gay pop is and Juliet. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.000 Oh that's right, that's right. Six is like but it 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:30.479 is there's not much plot. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.640 It's like each girl sings, but he's into dresses and 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.560 they do look very yeah, and. 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.520 They look beautiful. Okay, that's what he likes, beautiful things, 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:39.120 as he likes. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.960 To say, I feel like six is really beautiful. But 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.960 also in death becomes like the sexiness of the dancers. 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:46.880 Those outfits are so cool. Oh I did. 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.200 I kept saying, look how hot these fucking dancers are, 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.440 Like I couldn't believe how hot everyone was. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:53.520 I can. 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.360 And of course the guy who plays Ernest, that's an 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.240 svulm he is. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.640 Okay, I brought my prom home because I didn't get 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:02.080 a chance. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:03.599 We got there like with only a few minutes. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.680 I usually have more time to like scan my program 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:06.720 and see who everybody is. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.040 And he's Sex in the City. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.120 he's in Sex in the City. He's the guy who 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.320 works at Helena Rubinstein who goes down on the women 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.280 but doesn't go down on Samantha and she gets him 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.840 fired the women's luncheon. So I mostly remember him from 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.160 Sex and the City of being the massage therapist. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.600 Okay, wait, now I'm looking up who this guy is. Oh, 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.480 Christopher Cyber. Okay, who is he on SVU? 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:31.240 I need to know? 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.800 Oh, yeah, I recognize him. Oh my god, totally. I 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.360 didn't recgnize him in the musical because you're wearing a 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.600 fucking mustache. Well, there was one complaint I had, but 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:40.320 I didn't want to mention. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.480 Yes, I wanted to do it. I was. I was 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.920 watching the musical going, I wonder what Lisa's complaint is. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:50.640 So I just feel like Isabella Rossellini is so sexual 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.920 and sexy and powerful, and I think Michelle Williams hit 0:07:55.000 --> 0:08:00.360 her notes like sounds incredible, was regal, and hit her 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.920 jokes to her too, like the timing was amazing, but 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:04.720 like she was stiff. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.040 Yes, yes, I just fine. 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.040 I agree because the people that I said that to, 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.440 their kind of response was like, but the dancers and 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.640 everyone else was so sexy and she just did a 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.960 different thing, and I get that, but I just am 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.440 really into Isabella Wrestlingi's character, and I was just I 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.600 was a little thrown off by just that. 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:26.720 But that's so minor from a movie I love. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.679 Well, I agree with what you're saying because that's true, 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.040 Like she was kind of just standing there, but that's 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.120 like famously, I think she is like the least sort 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:39.280 of charismatic destiny child, I will say, but I thought 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.280 her voice kind of covered for it because she sounded amazing, 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.760 Like she sounded so good and I don't know, she 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.600 has a huge reaction when the curtain opens, and it's 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.720 heart like I mean, I but but I agree, Like, 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.320 imagine somebody like who takes over for her that has 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.480 like the voice and the sexual like like be it, 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:00.560 like you know, vibe. 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.320 I could see that really crushing Tony Orb. 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.600 I did just see a video on my Instagram where 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.000 it was like they were performing something at an award 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.480 show for Michael Jackson, but Beyonce's obvious. In the middle, 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.440 it's Kelly and Michelle, but Michelle's hat falls off and 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.400 Kelly what a professional quick on her feet throws her 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.280 hat off too, so it doesn't look weird. And I 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.280 was like that, bitch, wow, backing up your girl. I 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.280 like loved it well because it would have looked weird, 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:30.720 just like I like that on The Fly Present Saturday, 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:32.040 Theater of It. 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.800 Okay, Just to bring it all full circle, Chris for Cyber, 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.800 the guy who is in death becomes her as earnest. 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.240 He is in patrimonial burden with our girl, Geneva Carr, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.800 who we interviewed, and I think she's the He's the 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.360 husband of the family like that has the kids that 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:50.760 they're married, like the Dougger family. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.280 Basically, Yeah, it was interesting. Well, it's so funny because 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:55.760 the moment I saw him, I turned to who I 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.000 was with and I went SVU and then later looked 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.400 at the program. She's like, you were right, and I 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:09.320 was like, well, I never questioned if I was right. Well, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:14.000 I do have something to say, yes pertaining to Luigi obviously, 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.800 Bah Papa Luigi report. I'm not going to do everything 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.000 I do want to say, Like news came out about 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.040 how there's all these porns made with him and all 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.599 this stuff. It's not real. It's Toronto's son. It's the 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.400 Daily Mail. It's not one credit the source has done that. Second, 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.280 people are despicable that would have been out in the 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:35.839 open immediately. And third it's counter to everything we've heard 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.600 about everyone in his life, like it's just not it. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.480 And there's old tweet like that's not his opition. I 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:42.800 don't know, it's just wrong and I'm gonna find that 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.680 guy when I'm in Toronto's you better watch out. 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:46.120 I saw it as a meme. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:47.560 I saw it as a meme of like a girl 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.000 being like you hear Luigi's in a bunch of pornos, 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.160 like searching the computer, you know, like more of like 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:52.920 a he's hot. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:53.880 It's just no. 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:54.000 Now. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.199 I looked at all the sources. It was like three magazines, 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.680 all not real. So I'll Radmax. But it's also just 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.360 like it just doesn't that doesn't make sense. But also 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.840 what I found out that this is what I really 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.839 wanted to talk about, but I knew people would would. 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:09.840 People are sending me a lot of stuff, and I 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:10.240 love that. 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:13.800 I'm really in the loop. I'm knowing at all. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:20.359 But my big thing Karen, who is his attorney, She's incredible. 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.560 She was like the da of Manhattan just seems really incredible. 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.959 I went to the legal pages reading about the law firm. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:28.880 They also have like a few lawyers I just wanted 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.120 to read. And she was a consultant for Law and order. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.199 Is a consultant for law and order. She might be 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.520 a little too busy now I wonder if they're bothering her, 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:41.520 but yeah, kind of exciting consultant for law and order. 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:47.320 Love that love that connection. I knew I loved her 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.240 to begin with. So is she's Ditty's lawyer or her husband? 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:52.679 Is her husband? 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:52.880 Is? 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:53.440 Okay? 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:55.640 I think it would be crazy to do two giant 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.760 cases at the same time when it's right, that's true. 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.520 That's true, that would be crazy. But do you think 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:01.439 these two people. 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:05.319 Ever see each other? Like she's representing Luigi, he's representing Diddy. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.040 What is a fucking dinner between them? 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:07.200 Like? 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:11.080 I would love to know. I bet they bring work home. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.320 I bt I bet they each have their own office. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:17.160 I have bet it's a sprawling apartment leather. I think 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.840 it reminds me of like I want the green desk 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.480 library lamp, you know, like I'm imagining that kind of vibe. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.560 But it's also kind of like I bet they watched 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:29.680 White Lotus. Yeah, like, does it remind you of like 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.440 that guy James Carville and like his wife, like how 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:37.200 they're like the famous Republican Democrat couple. Like she's defending 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.400 this guy who like is like a modern day Robinhood 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.040 of sorts that people are really like lionizing and like, 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:44.840 and then he's. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.599 Defending doctor Michael Batten ended up marrying one of like 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.040 Casey Anthony's a herne Is and Phil Spector's you know 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.480 what I mean, and not marrying dating he left his 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:54.400 wife for this woman. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:59.200 So it's like, yeah, it's just like I mean, everybody 0:12:59.280 --> 0:12:59.920 deserves a defect. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.560 That's like what lawyers. Yeah, yeah, lawyers know that everybody 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.800 deserves a defense. But I met they don't even talk 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:07.559 about it. I'm shocked. 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.760 She even hyphenated her name to include his, to be honest, 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.200 Karen Friedman Agni filo. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.480 Wow, Wow, Well she's amazing. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.600 Of course she's involved with law and order, like lawn 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.640 order is the best, so why wouldn't they use the best. 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.720 So that's exciting. Well I did, I did you love 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.600 it or leave it? Which I could. I never thought 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:30.520 i'd be able to do. And I'm so excited. I 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.080 did it, but I talked about Luigi a lot, and 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:33.800 it is upper crust in a way where I'm like, 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.640 maybe someone told Karen about it, and I did advocate. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.880 I did advocate, and I was losing some of the 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:41.439 people and John was in a too. But there was 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.480 like a row of three gaze that were just like 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.080 we were connected in a way that I could not believe. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.360 That's you could see the three gays. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.080 Because I always whenever I do love it or leave 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.040 it at that theater, I can't see anybody in the audience. 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.520 They keep it so dark, so I'm always like, is 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.000 this hitting? Like I can never tell. 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.240 No, I had the time in my life and we'll 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.800 do some celebri updates. So Jesse Tyler ferguson Modern Family. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.880 I also on an episode of el Sbeth recently. Okay, 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:09.040 so noone else I mentioned it to him. He was like, okay, 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.439 but walked in going already watched this, He goes, I 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:15.920 already watched the special. 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:16.600 Loved it. Oh my god. 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:18.880 I told all my friends about it. They've already seen it. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:20.600 I guess I'm late to the game. 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.400 Oh I go. Jesse Tyler Ferguson you're right on time. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:24.600 You're right on time, honey. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.400 But then obviously I'm a bad girl and I'm comfortable 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:28.680 at Dynasty as you are. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:33.200 So I'm smoking weed back there. I've been walking on stage. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.080 I heard him go, oh my god, it smells like 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.120 and then he came back out and was like, wow, 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:43.160 it's pretty weedy back there, and like, yeah, I'm actually 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.240 going there tomorrow. He was the coolest person I've ever seen. 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.520 And then his he walked away and I took told 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.640 the I looked at his pr person, I go, what 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.520 an angel and she goes, He's my favorite. He's so incredible, 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.520 and he was like making little jokes, but he knew 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.240 who he was. He wasn't like fake humble where he 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.000 doesn't know he's Jesse Tyler Fergus. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.520 Yeah, and just. 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.600 Was making me laugh and make me feel so good, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.560 and I just like, it just made me really happy. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:07.240 I love that. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.320 I mean, he's that. I love Modern Family. It's a 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.280 great show. Oh my gossip, my flag race. He was 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.000 a judge on season five. I go, oh my god, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.320 not the best season, are you kidding me? 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:21.440 Yeah? Whoa he got in there early. Oh I love it, I. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:25.680 Mean, and then friend of the pod Laura Bananti, posted 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:30.000 about the special and DMed me we DM. I don't 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.800 think she remembers she was on our podcast, but I. 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.600 Saw her post about it. She doesn't remember. Well, she 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.320 you should have been like, girl, you had a yoga 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:36.960 mat on your head. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.560 I remember, it's one of our favorite memories. But she 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.000 was just so I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.640 it dead. So that's amazing. Well night, now, I was 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.640 still streaming on Netflix. Everybody, get your butts to the 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.360 Netflix to the I know I'm I usually try to 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.440 be demure, but I have been way more vocal to strangers. 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.480 I told the woman who does my laundry May. She 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.840 was like, so, what do you do. You're traveling, you're in, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.120 you're out, And I uh, I said, honey, I'll show 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.040 you what I do. Why don't you look at Well 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.640 she goes, I'll ask my granddaughter. And I go, well, 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.360 how old is she? And she's twenty one? 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.440 So I go, okay, okay, okay, yeah, let's not let's 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:13.200 not go too young. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:14.800 Wait. 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.160 I'm actually going to be at Dynasty tomorrow night. Not 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.440 that this is a promo, because this is happening. This 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.800 episode's coming out after this happens. But I'm opening for 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.680 a comedian who I've never heard of but has like 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.280 a big social media following. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.520 And her name is Shannon Fiebler. Oh my, not the 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.640 Hoffs who produced my special produced hers. 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.160 Oh okay, yeah yeah yeah, I'm I were tomorrow night 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.440 at Dynasty. So yeah, she's like pregnant. So I don't 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.040 know if they like wanted a mom or whatever, but 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:46.480 you can bring up the Hoffs. Yeah, okay, we'll do Yeah. 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.240 Wait, I can't even believe it. 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.280 That's why I mean, Dinasty is a great venue if 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.560 you guys live in La, around La. Their programming is incredible. Yeah, 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:58.040 they're so comedy like performer friendly. I mean, the snacks 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.000 in the back alone are you're the best. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:01.920 It's like fall of size candy bars. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:03.840 First of all, that's where we did our first live 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.240 show ever, not counting the one in my backyard. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:07.680 That was where we did our first live show ever. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.160 And they're just like, they're so nice to me when 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:11.920 I go there just to see something, you know what 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.119 I mean, Like some venues it's like if you're not 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.439 on the lineup, they don't really they're like okay, but 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.000 everybody's like always so nice and like what can we get, Like, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:20.760 I don't know. I love that venue. So shout out 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.200 to Dynasty Typewriter. If you live in LA, do check 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:27.560 out their calendar. They're the best. But I went to 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.679 New York speaking of like comedy, I was in LA 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.240 last week. If we were in LA, we crossed planes. 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.480 Our planes high fived on the way past each other. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.000 And well, first of all, a really quick shout out. 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:40.560 I know we already did this, but it was fake 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.080 because it was in the time machine. But thank you 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.000 to everybody that came to our DC show. We had 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.000 such a great time. It was such a fun show, 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:47.359 Like I had a blast and. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:51.800 Great crowds in DC, and we were happy to be 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:57.639 there because truly, yeah, they are feeling the bleakness pretty hard, 0:17:58.440 --> 0:17:59.960 feeling it. But it's like a lot of these people 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:04.840 work in the government and yeahah and even everyone. 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.119 Yeah, even talking to my friends that live there, I 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:08.720 was like, what's it like to be here? They were like, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.200 it's like it's probably, I mean, it's probably we're all 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:12.840 feeling it. But I think to live in like the 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.600 belly of the Beast is like tough, you know, so 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.080 they're like everyone we know, Like my friend's like I'm 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.200 getting a call every Friday of people getting laid off. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:21.440 It's like really really tough. 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.639 So I know it feels so hopeless, and I also 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.359 and it is so big, and it's all the news 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.960 is bad. I do have a new glimmer of hope, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.280 but I don't know if I'm being a fool. I 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:34.359 think he's gonna start fucking people over faster than we 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.199 think that like him, that they're gonna revolt. I think 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.639 he's gonna fuck with the rich, the tariff, like, I 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:41.680 think he's gonna crash the economy so bad, and I 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:43.400 think we're all gonna suffer a lot. But I think 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.640 he's gonna fuck over his rich friends and his fan 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:52.160 base quicker and they're gonna be angrier into the scar hyena. 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:56.719 But this is just this morning. But I also don't know. 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.320 Yeah, the problem is like because you're what you're saying 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.119 is pretty much absolutely true, Like that is going to happen, 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.639 I feel. But the problem is what I was reading 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.800 this morning is that just like the their media, like 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.000 the right wing media, is like he's killing it. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:14.920 He's crushing so like people I'm talking about, yea, that 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.719 are the reason they both looking at the Yeah, and 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.199 once we're all fucked and we're not shopping and we 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.640 can't you know, the Canada, all this stuff is happening. Yeah, 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.520 the things are plummeting whatever, the stocks are plummeting, like 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:31.199 I plummeted. Yeah, I feel like once, I think the 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.280 rich people are about to get fucked faster than they thought, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.960 because he truly is a fool, Like he's a bankrupting fool. 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.119 He's not smart, like he's a lunatic who actually you know, 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:44.560 they all think like, oh, I'm going to get this 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:46.119 out of him or this or use but like, at 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:47.680 the end of the day, he'll throw them all under 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.520 the bus for anything and anybody. And I do feel 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.280 like he's gonna fuck them over and even the poor. 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.760 They might keep blaming Biden, but eventually, I don't know. 0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.600 I just think they're all going to get fucked with faster, 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:05.360 Like it seems like there's such immediate consequences to all 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:09.600 this budget cutting and firing. Yeah, but I think that 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.560 the hillbilly trash, I think we're gonna get fucked with faster. 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.120 But you're right, Media and propaganda and being an occult 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:17.720 is strong and it could take a long time. But 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:21.439 for some reason I had a glimmer of hope. Yeah, yeah, 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.320 I mean no, I think that's good to hope. That's 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.280 good hope. Look, we have to have hope. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.680 But anyway, I loved talking about the DC show was amazing, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:30.480 and thank you for everybody that came out. We loved 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.160 you guys, And it was just it was just so fun. 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.520 And we got some really funny bracelets. Thank you to 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:37.680 the person who made me a bracelet that says Clank 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.680 Family Classic because that really tickled me. But then I 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:45.800 was so I was in New York, and after DC, 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.280 I went to New York. So death becomes Her obviously 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.560 a huge highlight. And then Monday I kind of went 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:52.840 around with our friend to some different comedy shows. And 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.680 I hadn't done like a little bounce around to like 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:58.359 West Village, Brooklyn comedy shows. 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.200 In a minute. It was fun. It was like fun. 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.639 It felt like I was like back in my my 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.760 like twenties and early thirties when I was you know, 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.639 like just going around doing like four or five shows 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:08.920 a night. 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.960 It was fun. Had a blast. Yeah, where'd you guys, eat, 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:12.720 what else did you do? 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:13.360 We went? 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.840 We ate at Rosemary's in the Way, which I hadn't 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:16.399 been to before. 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:17.680 It was good. It was just like in between. 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:19.159 She had to show at Stonewall and she had to 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.399 show at Pete's candy store, so we went in between, 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:23.600 and then I got over. I got to go over 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:25.480 to her house and meet and see Riz. He would 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:27.000 not really give me the time of day. I tried 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:29.159 a couple times and he was not having it. But 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.760 that's okay. I met my sister's dog. My sister got 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:33.560 a dog named Betty. You got to meet her dog. 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:35.359 And then I went to New Hampshire and had a 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:36.360 fun little weekend with my. 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.920 What kind of dog is Betty? We could tell you're 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.200 not an animal person? Well, you're like the cat didn't 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.400 do exactly what I wanted as I walked in, even 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.280 though he doesn't know me, and I guess there's a 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:45.760 new dog. 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:46.160 No. 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.520 I gave Riz a lot of time and then I 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:50.720 just was like really trying to slowly approach him, and 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:52.399 he was looking at me for a lot of it, 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:56.280 but he was he would not approach. The dog is 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.520 a rescue a mix, a pit mix. I think, but 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:04.040 she's blind a bigger dog, but she's not that big, 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:11.040 like she's not that big, like she's are they excited? Yeah, yeah, 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:13.240 they love her. I mean, my sister's already like acting 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.360 like a mom. She's always like well with Betty and 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.040 like I have to take her to her blood work. 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:18.680 I'm like, oh my gosh, well because I know the 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.120 true child this summer, so I wonder if they're gonna 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.240 have to just now drive for their vacaate, like they're 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:25.080 gonna not want a vacation in the summer. 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.679 Now, I think that they will because I think like 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.240 this summer they weren't going to vacation anyway, Like they'll 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:31.840 come out to they'll come out like and see us 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:33.240 in Connecticut and stuff like that. I don't think this 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:34.639 summer they were gonna do a trip because they did 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:37.160 a huge one last summer. And then by next year, 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:39.720 I think she'll be more tame and calm because she's 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:41.600 still little. She's only like a year and a half old, 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.000 and I think that they'll be okay to like leave 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:45.919 her with my brother or something like somebody else that 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.159 has a dog, or you know, or his brother has 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:49.840 a dog as well. My brother in law's brother has 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:51.359 a dog, so like, I think that they will. I 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.000 don't think this will keep them from traveling forever. But 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:56.200 I never thought my sister would ever have a dog 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:58.080 in a million years. And she's like, can you believe this, 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:01.560 like when she was with the dogs Benji, like your 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:03.160 brother's dog is an influence. 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:07.119 But also everyone fresh off the beat, Robbie Hoffman and 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:11.720 Gabby Windy, No, I know, and I. 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.720 Can't believe that it's been like two months. It was 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:15.840 a secret. 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.560 Oh okay, because I'm like, oh, they got married in Portugal. 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:21.160 They're in Portugal right now, That's what I thought. 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:24.320 Here was No, they got married in Vegas in January 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:25.960 and they haven't told anybody. And I'm like, I was 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.040 just texting with Robbie about Gabby like a couple weeks ago, 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:32.280 and yeah, no, no, leak's there. She wasn't telling me 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.480 the big secret. So I think it's so cute. I'm 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:38.840 so happy for them, big big news. But no, I 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:40.639 think my sister got the dog with her husband wanted it, 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:42.959 by the way, to close the loop on that combo, 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:44.159 not because of Benji. 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.720 She just he wanted one. How else was la you 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:50.040 went due to the story how is your camp thing? 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:52.280 Oh, it was great, it was great. I went to 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:54.560 New Hampshire. My friend lives in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. What 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:57.199 a picturesque little fucking town that is. 0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:57.520 I don't know. 0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.920 It's also shout out to Vermont where your camp is, 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:04.320 because they fucking said jd Vance do you want to ski? 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:07.720 Go fuck yourself? Yeah, they bullied J Vance right off 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:11.160 that mountain. The fucking Yeah. New England doesn't fuck around. 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:14.119 It's so funny because I posted the some of them 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.560 are montras. My favorite things that they posted inside the 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.280 signs they wrote for Vance. One was Advance puts his 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.160 cast iron skillet in the dishwasher and the other one 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.120 was Vance skis and jeans, and I thought those were 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:26.000 my those were like my favorite ones, so I posted 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.360 those and then the Vance puts his in the cast 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:30.480 iron skill and the dishwasher. One of our listeners wrote 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:32.600 was like, that's my high school math teacher. I was like, 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:35.320 the world is so small. I love it, so love 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:40.040 those little states. Loved that, and yeah, New Portsmouth is 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.280 like adorable, you know what's crazy? 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:42.479 Like? 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:47.720 So Portsmouth had like three or four stores that are 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.920 like I don't know what the equivalent of like La 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:53.679 stories maybe like spitfire Girl or something like that. Like 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:57.000 gift stores, like stores where you can buy like little onesies, 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:00.879 magnet socks like whatever, you know, funny books you know that. 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:04.240 I think, yeah, so many like that, and. 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:05.720 Like there were there were stores like that when I 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.760 was younger, but now they all just have swear words 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:11.120 in them. Like now it's just like, oh, you want 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:12.679 to find me, I'm out fucking hiking. 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:16.320 Like everything's just like everything is like fuck fuck fuck. 0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:19.679 Like there weren't onesies that said for a baby that 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.080 said I came from nutting, like but spelled n U 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:28.639 T T I N like just yeah, I got I gotta. 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:31.320 They didn't have they didn't have patients and size. I'm 0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:35.680 so sorry, but yeah, I was just shocked. I was like, Wow, 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:37.960 these like gifts kind of shops have been around forever, 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.280 but like they're they're they feel like a little bit 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:43.800 more high end now at the same time as feeling 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:49.520 very like so like just dirty kind of like so 0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:52.480 many dirty things in these shops. It was just like 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:54.200 cracking me up because there was like three of them 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:55.120 in this little town. 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:57.120 But anyway, or. 0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.359 Like books that just say cheese porn, you know what 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:03.639 I mean, Like I would just it's just funny to me. 0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:05.600 But I also have kids that are at home going 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:07.840 fucking god damn it. So I don't know why I 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:10.879 think swearing is going anywhere. It's where. I mean, swearing 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:12.879 is fine obviously to me. It's just was shocking to 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.480 me that at these little stores in New England where 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.359 people are like, maybe I'll go pick up a gift, 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:21.360 and then it's just like fuck everywhere. It was making 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.200 me laugh. But New Hampshire was great. 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:26.520 We walked around, we saw the ocean, we went to dinner, 0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:27.520 We laughed. 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:29.120 We had a great time. I have the best time 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:32.639 with them. We just laughed our little asses off. And 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:35.080 then I had the longest fucking travel day ever coming back. 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.400 And I got back to La right as oscar traffic 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:41.600 was unleashing, so it took me forever to go home. Yeah, 0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:44.600 I forgot. I shouldn't have done that. I love the Oscars. 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.359 I don't know why I booked travel. I guess I 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:48.879 had to, like I had to get home, but like, 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:51.040 I really like watching the Oscars and I was bummed 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.360 that I watched it. 0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:55.879 That I had to miss it. You know, not watching 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.000 it live. How was How was La? 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.240 I'll say it was the best trip I've had in 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:02.360 a while, the most fun I had. 0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:03.439 It was like really busy. 0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:06.119 I was like both two days, I had to be 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.919 somewhere at nine am or like nine thirty so and 0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:12.560 I was go go go, had a nice had some meals, 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:16.560 had a dinner, had Alfred. I was fine at my spots, 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:21.040 played some games, did some podcasts. I saw a little esther, 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:22.560 I met her baby, loved that. 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:25.240 Oh cute. Wait does she live in Oh yeah she 0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:25.560 lives here? 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:26.000 Do yeah? 0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:27.120 Yeah? Yeah. 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:30.560 Someone recently was like, no one calls her little esther anymore, 0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:31.239 and I'm like, you're right. 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:36.040 She was a grown woman, she has a child. But 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:37.480 it was it was just. 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:40.520 Fun, you know, because we've known each other since elementary school. Yeah, 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:43.639 like really nice to hold her baby. She's so I 0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:46.439 haven't had a little baby in a while. That's so 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:49.520 really sweet. It was nice. And then I got upgraded 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:53.520 and fucking slip man. I Yeah, it was just so fast. 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.359 I think, La to me is like my family trips 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:57.240 three days max. 0:27:59.560 --> 0:27:59.879 Yeah. 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:01.480 But yeah, I'm trying to think if there was like 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:03.600 a big LA highlight. 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.320 But it was like a petticker with a friend. Sounds 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:08.600 like it was pretty fun. Love it and leave. It 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:10.000 was one of the best nights of my life. I 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:10.560 was on a. 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:12.760 Buzz, like I went being like early night, I have 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:16.239 to be up tomorrow morning. And then instead I was like, oh, 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.840 I gotta go out, like I am jazzed, and I 0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:20.639 could tell I annoyed him at first, but then I 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:22.199 really got because I was like, are you mad at me? 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.199 Cause I you know, I am who I am and 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:24.800 he's a dork. 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.560 So he's like so smart, but it's cool to be 0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:29.840 around someone that's that smart. Like at one point he 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.800 like mentioned like this person the sea blah blah blah, 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:34.639 and in my head I went, wow, yeah, this is 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:36.960 like actually really intelligent. 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.680 What was their hot take that you two agreed on. 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.160 I saw it on your Instagram, but I forgot it. 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:47.200 Just that thin mints are are overrated. Oh they need 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:48.120 to be in the fridge. 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.680 But I had one callback to something where I could 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:52.840 tell he was impressed, and like there there was something 0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:54.720 about me where like I wanted to impress this like 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.560 smart guy, but because your gold seem made fun of me. 0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:00.520 He's like, do you have a crush on him. Oh 0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:02.720 I think I do. I'm like, I was just like, 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:06.560 I don't know. It felt really fun. Yeah. 0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:08.960 I like being on stage like I forgot and being 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:10.320 back on the road. I'm like, oh yeah, I like 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:14.640 to work and like yeah, yeah. Well, let's get started 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:15.240 with our episode. 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:16.920 But speaking of you being on the road, go to 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:21.480 That's messed Up live dot com, Lisa's links to Lisa's dates. 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.920 She's all over the place, watch night Owl. 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:28.440 You can listen to my other podcast that's called Who's 0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:30.760 the Bitch? I mean, what else anything else going on? 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.320 Well, Survival of the Thickest Season two comes out, oh 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:34.680 March twenty seventh. 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:39.800 But that's that's that. That's still a couple away. But 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.040 we'll be reminding you. Yeah, we will be reminding you 0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:46.720 to do remind me, but says coming up. But that's yeah. 0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:50.360 All right, Well let that's that's all for now. 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:57.840 Guys, let's get started on today's episode. All right, we 0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:04.080 are going to dive into gamb Fallacy Season fifteen, episode seventeen. 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:07.800 This is a Rollins heavy one. It's crazy. 0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.120 It's a Rollin's heavy episode for those of you, for 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.040 you Rollins heads out there. The title by the way, 0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:17.000 they never bring up in the episode. But gambler's fallacy, 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:22.400 according to my Google search, is occurs when an individual 0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:25.640 erroneously believes that a certain random event is less likely 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:28.480 or more likely to happen based on the outcome of 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.440 a previous event or series of events. So, like, I'm 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.040 so guilty of the gambler's fallacy. Like I'll play Roulemme 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:36.800 and be like, well, it's hit black seven times, it's 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:37.960 gotta hit red next. 0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:39.440 Not true, that's a fallacy. 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:41.800 It's just as likely to hit red every single fucking 0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:45.040 time as it, you know. And so but you know, 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:47.640 we tell ourselves something when we're a little buzzed and 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.120 having fun losing our money. 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:51.520 So I can't remember it. 0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.440 Do we know before this episode about Rollins is big 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.080 gambling or not? I like, it's hard to she has 0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:58.880 such a long tenure on the show, it's hard to 0:30:58.960 --> 0:30:59.560 like remember. 0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:02.880 Well, not only that, there's just she's done almost every 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.640 single thing right, Like her and Danny Pino joining the 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.560 show was just like, let's see how much we can 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:12.000 make these cops fuck up. And yeah, people want to 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.440 like fuck them and have a like want them on 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:15.400 the show. 0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:20.120 Oh, in season thirteen, which is her first season. In 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.600 the episode Home Invasions, she does confess that she's in 0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:25.360 twenty thousand dollars of debt with a. 0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:28.240 Bookie, okay, and then I. 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:31.000 Think she does eventually go to like Gambling's Anonymous, but 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:34.240 as we find out, soon she falls off the wagon. 0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:37.560 So we open the episode zoomed in on Rollins's face, 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:39.240 and she looks a little sketch, you know, she's up 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.600 to some shit. She's got shifty eyes. She says good 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.000 night to the team, and Tomorrow's like, what are your plans? 0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.440 And she's like, I'm going to Niagara Falls. And I 0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:49.360 thought she's being sarcastic, but she's serious. And Finn's like, oh, 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:51.520 you gotta go to the Canada side. That's where the 0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.920 fucking wild clubs are. And of course, of course Finn 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.920 knows about the nightlife in Niagara Falls, and Rollins is like, 0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:00.239 it's more of a nature trip and Franny's coming with me, 0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:02.200 like it's just going to be like a little walk 0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:04.800 through the you know, the woods with my dog. Amarro 0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:06.640 Is man explaining like, you know, you need. 0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.360 To take papers to get a dog across the border, 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.560 and she's like, I'm on it Dad, but she gets 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.719 really close to his face. It's flirty as usual. 0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.520 But the episode where he actually is coming out of 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:18.560 the shower at her place is later this season, so 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.360 if you're picking up on vibes, that's what's happening. He 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.680 offers to walk her out. He's headed to DC to Seezara. 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.760 They leave, Benson walks out and goes, those two, I 0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:29.160 wish they'd get a room already. 0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:30.880 It's like, okay, and then. 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.040 Live has a look on her face and Finn goes, 0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:34.680 I'll pretend you didn't. I didn't hear you say that. 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:38.400 But Liv looks like pissed, concerned, like she ate bad sushi. 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.880 It's hard to say. I can't tell what's wrong, but 0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.640 she looks annoyed to see them walk out of work together, 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:47.479 as if that's not happened before. Then a song starts playing. 0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.400 It's called The Blackout Days by Fanta Graham. You know I 0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.200 have the captions on. That's the only reason I know. 0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.120 I don't know this band, but they do have six 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.880 and a half million monthly listeners on Spotify, So good 0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.320 for you, guys, and s few once in a while, 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.720 shells out them. I need a license like songs that 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.240 are not you know, just made up, like you know, 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:07.120 generic hip hop that they'll hear at a club. Anyway, 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.200 we see a woman putting on lipstick in the dark, 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:11.680 and uh, it's Rollin's. She gets out of her car. 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:14.240 She's in a shady fucking area. She's like under a bridge, 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.000 truly the only car in the area. She's got great 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.560 outerwear on as usual, hair looks good. 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:20.280 What's up? 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:22.280 Is she meeting a day? Does she undercover? We don't 0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.320 know what's happening. Her hair is like criminally underrated. It's 0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.280 one of the best little messy fun news. I'm like 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.640 obsessed with her hair else and I have and I 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:36.760 have more comments on the hair. Later, she goes into 0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.600 some building. It's like a factory that's closed like after 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.240 hours or closed down. A security guy is there. He 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.920 wants her up and down. She gets let into this 0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.200 I'll say it. It looks like a cool ass club. It 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:50.080 looks like a private gambling club, very kind of like 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:54.479 Molly's Game, but like another level. Rollin's is smoking butts, 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:57.640 telling the dealer to hit me. There's this guy next 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.000 to her, like a Brazilian guy, and he's trying to 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:02.160 tell her shit about her game, and she's like, you want, 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:04.240 don't you count your cards? And I'll count mine, Like 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.000 she's not having it. And then this guy starts pawing 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:09.879 at a waitress and orders a kapy reina for him 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:13.040 and one for Rollin's, and Rollin's and the waitress make 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:16.160 long eye contact like they recognize each other, and that's 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:18.960 because the girl was a victim four months earlier in 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:22.719 an episode called Jersey Breakdown. Rollins turns down to the 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.280 drink and decides to call it a night. The waitress 0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.560 goes to the back room and her boss goes, what's 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:32.160 the crack, which is Irish for what's up? And I 0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:35.320 only know that from Dairy Girls? And we SVU fans 0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:39.440 obviously know this is Lieutenant Declan Murphy, but he's ultimate. 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.560 He's also the ultimate undercover cop slash thespian like we 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:46.279 did recently watch him piss himself in a jail cell 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.600 to try to get Kevin from the office to give 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:52.040 up some flash drives. So the waitress if you're but 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.320 if you're just watching the show for the first time, 0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:55.920 you don't know who that is. You just think this 0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:57.799 is some guy in the back of an illegal thing, 0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:00.440 and he's like one of the bosses. The waitress tell him, 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.520 you guys know that that blonde is a cop. Right, 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:06.760 So Rollins is cashing out when Irish mob guy comes 0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:08.800 up with to her with some muscle. 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:10.359 They're like, why do you come with us? She's like, 0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:11.400 what's the problem. 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.840 I wasn't counting cards, and she's like, if I was 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.239 counting cards, I would be I wouldn't be down fifteen K. 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:20.600 So she's back in the hole pretty hard again. They 0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:22.520 don't want this to go down in front of all 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:24.960 these people, and he's like, you don't want this night 0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:28.640 completely banjaxed, which is a word I've never heard or 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:32.000 seen in my entire life, so I did look it up. 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:36.000 It means, you know, ruined, fucked, but banjaxed, I never 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:39.120 heard it. They bring Rollin's back to the back room 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:40.920 and as soon as the door closes, they pull guns 0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:44.320 on her. The Irish batty is like, makes a quiet 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:47.760 motion and then he rips Rollin's shirt open, buttons go flying. 0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:49.800 She's obviously wearing a hot bra. She didn't come to 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.600 an illegal gambling night wearing like, you know, her shitty 0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:56.920 laundry day bra. He goes no wire, not even an underwire, 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:58.880 and I think the bra clearly has an underwire, but 0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:00.080 I could be wrong, but I don't like. 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:00.759 This guy knows. 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.920 The song keeps playing and we hit the credits with 0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:06.480 Rollins tits out, guns points it at her. I bet 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.279 Niagara Falls is looking pretty good right now. Top of 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.719 act one, we're still in the back room. Rollin's shirt 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.239 is now fully off, okay, like they've taken her shirt 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:14.839 all the way off. 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:15.719 They're patting her down. 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.440 They obviously find her badge and she's like, I'm off 0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.480 duty and she goes, no gun, no wire, no worries, 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.280 and unfortunately they're not down with that. He's like, bitch, 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.200 you're down fifteen k standing here, half naked with a 0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:29.719 gun to your head, so yeah, you actually do have worries, like, 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:33.680 and then he introduces himself as Declan O'Rourke, So I do. 0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:36.759 I love the idea that he just changes last names 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:40.799 to something also irish to go undercover. Rollins is like, 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.680 don't threaten a cop and he's like, why not. You're 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:47.400 a manky, dirty, filthy little girl like and he's basically like, 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:50.600 you can't do shit about it, and his female associate 0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:53.000 who is his boss, Like, you can't tell that yet, 0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:56.360 but eventually you realize, like she's above him. Is Sondra 0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:59.560 Vaughn and she's played by an actress named Sherry Som, 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.920 who is also in the John Glazer episode of SVU 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:06.640 that that's in later seasons, and she's a pretty big 0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.200 role in that one, and she's good in this one anyway. 0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:11.480 Rollin's is trying to explain that this has nothing to 0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.520 do with her job. She's got to pay what she owes, 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.040 she's got OT coming up. I'm like, girl, I don't 0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:18.840 think you have fifteen thousand dollars of OT coming up. Maybe, 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.719 but Sandra's like, we have to make sure you're not 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:24.719 an informer. Declan's gonna test you, and if she passes, 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:28.160 they can talk about how she'll work off the debt. 0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.080 And she's like, okay, cool, can I do the test 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:30.880 with my shirt on? 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:32.800 And so they give her back her shirt and now 0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:37.000 she's back at the precinct and her hair looks perfect. 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.759 Her hair is some hair up, some hair down, as 0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:43.480 I've always called it. And Amaro walks in and goes, 0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:46.200 what's up with your hair? And she goes, oh natural, 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:48.880 and I'm like, it looks professionally done. What are we 0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:51.839 talking about here? Like I don't understand what's going on, 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:54.680 but literally in the back it looks like it's clipped 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:58.040 into this like sweet little shape. Like I'm like, I 0:37:58.040 --> 0:37:59.960 don't know what you're talking about. Like he acts like 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.480 she came in with like BedHead from a hookup. And 0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:04.399 then he's like, how is Niagara Fall? She's like, oh, 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:07.520 we didn't make it for Aanny got carsick. Amorrow sees 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.160 she's looking on the DMV site and she makes up 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.239 an excuse like, oh, yeah, my friend keeps getting parking 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:14.200 tickets even though he parks in a garage. Like she's 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.120 good at lying quickly, but I do think she has 0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:20.040 like liar face kind of And Amorrow goes to the 0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:21.640 men's room and he sees Finn there. 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:23.600 How's your weekend? Finn goes, my. 0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:27.040 Weekend was dope, and Amorrow asks have you noticed anything 0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:31.000 off about Rollins lately? And he thinks it's kind of shady. 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:33.160 She never made it to Niagara Falls. It's like she 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:34.200 changed her plans. 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:34.680 I don't know. 0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.359 And now she's checking for parking tickets and Finn's like, 0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:39.359 you got a boner for her or what And he's like, no, no, 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.920 of course not. And then Live busts in and goes, hey, 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:44.360 gossip girls, and I do love that, and she's just like, 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:45.320 we caught a suspect. 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:46.080 Move your asses. 0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:49.879 Rollins is back now with Declan and he slaps down 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.560 a dozen more parking tickets and Rollins is like, that's 0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:55.279 not my precinct, but I did find out when they 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:58.839 do their blitzes, and he's like, I want these tickets gone. 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.120 It's like you run an eily eagle gambling ring. This 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:03.160 is truly what you're asking her to do is like 0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:07.560 fix these tickets. It's like so low stakes, Like don't 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.400 you guys make it up? Pay the tickets, Like I 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:12.320 don't understand why they have to be gone. And she's like, look, 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.400 we're in the digital age, Like I can't fix tickets anymore. 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:17.800 They'll track them right to me. So then they offer 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:21.240 her a different test. They basically need her to jury 0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:24.000 tamper give them the home address of a juror who 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.200 is on a case for an insurance fraud. They're like, 0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.920 it's a victimless crime. We're not going to hurt her. 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.880 We just want to convince her to vote the right way. 0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:35.240 Rollins is like, if I get caught, I lose everything, 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:37.120 and Declan is like, we have footage of you gambling 0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.640 in an illegal club. You've lost everything, and it's like meanwhile, 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:43.040 I'm like, no, it doesn't like the cops cover their 0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:45.000 own asses. Like if she got caught, if she went 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.200 straight to Live and goes, look, I've been gambling at 0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:49.680 an illegal club, she'd get desk duty for a bit 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:51.800 and then she'd be back to flirting with serial killers 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.280 in no time. Like I know this is a TV show, 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.239 but she should just go to Live now. 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.600 Robald also, I don't know, but it's also like, why 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:03.160 does I just have the most giant budgets to just 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:06.560 do these long undercover acting exercises. 0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:06.960 I know? 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:10.880 Is it really is gambling and drugs that like I 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:11.880 just don't get vice? 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:15.600 I really yeah, yeah, yeah yeah no, I like I understand, 0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.239 like when you're busting heroin, but then it's like we 0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:22.000 have these like cigarette operations and like gambling and stuff 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:24.080 that it's like this just doesn't feel like it's really 0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:25.040 where the money needs to go. 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:27.200 And we're embedding a guy for like months and months 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:27.680 and months. 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:31.399 It's crazy now Rollins is at the courthouse because she's 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:33.960 gonna fucking do it, and she just straight up follows 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.000 the juror home. I thought she was just gonna like 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.880 look it up, like it's probably public, probably in some 0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:41.279 kind of police system who the jurors are. But then 0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:44.759 they she sees the juror has a kid in a wheelchair, 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:47.799 and she opens up her ancient flip phone and she 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.920 deletes the text that she was gonna send with the address. 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.680 She uh gets back to the illegal club, she tells Declan, ah, 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:56.320 I lost her. I had her on the subway, but 0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:58.560 I lost her. At first He's like, oh, you lost her? 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:01.000 Hunt and then he grabs her and he's like, you dumbass, 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.120 we had you follow you. Let us write to her, 0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.120 and Rollins begs, She's like please, the woman has a son. 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.359 And he's like, yeah, we're gonna pay her bills. We're 0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:10.920 helping her, like we're not gonna hurt her. And Rolin's like, 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.080 I'm not gonna do anything that's gonna hurt anyone, and 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:15.359 Declan's like, cool, I guess we're done here. Are we 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:17.600 calling your sergeant or are we calling IAB. I've got 0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:20.080 both numbers. Just saved in my phone here and then 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.160 he was like, just a reminder, jail for a cop 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:26.719 is not pleasant. She tells him wait, she starts to 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:28.960 flirt with him and is like, maybe there's another way 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:31.560 we can work this out, and Declan tells this guy 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:34.200 his other guy to leave, and he starts setting up 0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:37.920 his phone to record their little like tryst, and Rollins 0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.640 is like, you're not gonna record this and he's like, girl, 0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:42.799 I'm in charge, Like shut your mouth, and the next 0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:44.400 thing we see is Rollin's. 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:47.919 Like being dragged down, like towards the man, and that's 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:48.880 a fade to commercial. 0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:52.960 Back at the craps table, we've got Sondra the boss 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.000 flirting with the same rich Brazilian dude who tried to 0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:59.000 buy Rollins the capirinha, and then she's like, you better mate, 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.480 good tonight. My boss is getting impatient, and then she 0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:05.759 tells the waitress that guy's cut off, and when she 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.000 goes into the back room, she finds Rollins and Declan 0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:10.480 looking like they're getting their clothes back on after their 0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:14.840 you know, little sexual payoff moment. Declan says she passed 0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.719 the third test. She went below and beyond the call 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:19.480 of duty, l ol. 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:20.120 He goes. 0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:23.560 Now we know she's not undercover. Sondra tells Declan to leave. 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.160 She pours Rollin's a drink and she goes, just so 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:28.680 you know you're not gonna have to do that again, 0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:31.520 whatever you had to do, and Rollins is like, okay, 0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:34.319 cool girl power, like I work for you only now, 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:36.839 like please let that Irish fuck know. And then they 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.160 get down to the girl talk. Rollins tells her, look, 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.239 I'll be honest with you. The NYP does not the 0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.200 NYPD does not know about this place, which again, I 0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:46.000 don't think she would know that unless she was like 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:50.239 in vice and she's like, duh, I'm an Ivy League 0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:54.040 educated art history major. That's what Sondra says, and Rollins 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.399 is like, oh, I'm from rural Georgia, like I'm from 0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:59.400 a hard scrabble family. And then Sondra, who is pregnant, 0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:01.799 touches her back and goes, my son's not going to 0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:04.840 grow up how I did. And then she asks Rollins, 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:06.759 you ever asked yourself what you want out of life? 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.280 And Rollins goes, this place seems cool. 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:11.280 She's like, I get to smoke and drink and gamble, 0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:13.279 and I basically had to just fuck a strange man 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:15.160 to keep my job. So this is this is great, 0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.600 And Sondra's like, yeah, you could do well here if 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:22.640 you let go of your working class morality, and Rollins asks, yeah, 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:24.120 if you can let go of my debt, and then 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.640 they both laugh, but Rollins is like, Rollins is like JKJK, 0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:29.920 but also I'm kind of serious, like can you let 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:31.759 go of my debt? And Sondra's like, you're gonna work 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:35.840 it off. And then right before she leaves, Rollins starts 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:40.480 trying to like sow some distrust with Sondra about Declench. 0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:43.520 She's like, you trust that guy, and She's like, why 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:45.640 you think I shouldn't, And she's like kind of just 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:47.520 like trying to imply maybe he's one of those guys 0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:49.840 that's trying to like usurp power from women who have 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:51.520 worked hard, like we do all the work, and then 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.319 they come in here and try to like fucking take over, 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:55.480 and that like resonates with Sandra. She looks like a 0:43:55.480 --> 0:44:01.080 little bit like shook by that like possibility. In Benson's office, 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:04.440 Finn and Tomorrow now walk in. Amorrow is worried about Rollins. 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:08.000 Benson thinks she has the flu, so she called in 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:09.880 sick and they're like, yeah, but we went over to 0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.360 her place with some soup and she wasn't there. I 0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:14.799 would love too cute men to bring me soup when 0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:18.480 I have the flu. Amorrow tracked her cell to some 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:20.920 warehouse in the navy yard and was talking to some 0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:23.000 guy who looked like and when he and then followed 0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.480 her there and saw her talking to some guy who 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:28.760 looked like Irish Mob, Amorrow thinks it's a gambling club. 0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.240 Finn's still trying to give Rollins the benefit of the doubt. 0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:33.000 Live tells them to shut the fuck up and she'll 0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:36.120 handle it. Finn leaves, but Live closes the door before 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:38.839 Amorrow can go, and she's like, I do have a 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:42.520 problem with you tracking her cell phone and following her, 0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:44.600 and he's like, well, I don't want to take any 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:46.560 chances about after what happened with you, and I think, 0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:48.960 you know, he's obviously talking about William Lewis and he's like, 0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:53.239 I'm not stalking her. And then Benson gets right into 0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:56.560 the personal like how's Maria doing and he says we're 0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.120 working it out, and then Live drops the bomb. You know, 0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:02.120 She's called me a couple times because she's worried about you, 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:04.920 and he's like, you know, you could tell that that 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.400 would fuck with somebody like tomorrow, so much like for 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:09.600 his wife to like call his work like go behind 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:11.960 his back and like, you know, make anybody at his 0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:14.640 work think that he's soft or having problems or anything. 0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:16.920 And he's like, well, I'm sorry she pulled you in. 0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:19.160 She won't call you again and lives like good and 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:22.359 keep away from Rollins too. It's so antagonistic between them. 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:24.960 It's like a weird shift in their relationship, like after 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:27.840 all that Ganzelle and Carissa shit that they went through, 0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:30.839 and Live was backing him up so hard, and now 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.280 she's like thinks he's a bad guy. Like I think, 0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:35.120 I don't know, maybe they're setting him up to like 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:35.680 leave the show. 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:37.480 I don't know what's going on. Well, she's under a 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:40.480 lot of stress. Yeah, yeah. 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.279 So back at the gambling club, Declan tells her that 0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:47.399 h Rollins that she has to take drunk Brazilian guy 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:49.920 to his house and up the stairs, and just as 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.200 Rollins is like, I'm not a sex worker, he goes, 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:54.920 don't flatter yourself. He's not into trailer trash, and I'm like, 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:56.959 I beg to differ. He was trying to buy Rowlins 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.719 a drink, like he's very into her. Then Rollins is like, 0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:03.120 all right, I'll like I'll do it. And then Rollins 0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:05.160 is like, by the way, that waitress that you guys 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:08.239 hired is sixteen years old, the one that gave me up, 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:11.480 and Sondra is pissed and she's like, Declan, I thought 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:12.160 you vetted her. 0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:15.319 So this is like more declan fucking up. 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:18.960 Rollins is now driving brazil drunk home and he's like 0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:23.160 lounging across the backseat slurring while Rollins drives. He reveals 0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:26.040 he's a diplomat, he has immunity, and he's never going 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:27.640 to pay his debts to the club, but he owes 0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:29.759 them so much they need him and I don't really 0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:32.000 get that. I'm like, they need him for what if 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:33.640 you don't have if you're not paying your debts, what 0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:35.680 do they need you for? I don't they need you for? 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:39.040 Maybe sketchy getting more people to the club, maybe like 0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:42.279 Brazilian businessman contacts or something could be that, or like. 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:46.200 What they're doing with Rollins, you know, like favors. Yeah, 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:46.680 that's true. 0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:48.680 I don't know what the Brazilian diplomat could do for them, 0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:52.000 but maybe yeah. When they get to his house, his 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:54.160 wife comes to the door and doesn't want Rolins to 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:55.960 come in, but the husband makes up an excuse and 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:59.520 is like, oh, she's just a receptionist from like the 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:00.520 Russian mission. 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:02.560 Like we had too much vodka. 0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:04.759 She's just taking me home and she says like, I'm 0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:05.759 just the designated driver. 0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:08.520 The wife like like, eventually lets Rollin's in. 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:12.839 They bring him in, and then she's like, oh, this 0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:16.160 is a nice place and there's all this art up 0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:18.960 and the woman goes, yeah, it doesn't belong to us, 0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:22.280 it belongs to the Brazilian government. And then she goes, 0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:24.640 you can go now, and then she goes and please 0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:26.680 don't let my husband back into that club, like she 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.720 knows he's that Rollins is not from a fucking Russian 0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:32.879 mission or whatever it is, Like, she's like, don't let 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:34.920 my husband back into that club. He has issues, but 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.799 you guys are the worst, like you take advantage of him. 0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:39.200 And then she's like, get the fuck out of here. 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:41.880 So Rollins gets a text as she's headed out, so 0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:44.200 she walks into a bar and her best buddy Finn 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:47.719 is there and he's like, how's the flu and she's like, oh, 0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:50.600 I took some mental health days. And Finn's like how 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:52.920 much do you need? And Rollin's is like, I'm fine, 0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:55.400 I'm moonlaighting to pay it off. And he keeps asking 0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:57.680 her how much she owes and if they have her 0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:00.520 doing shady shit like looking up people's licenses, et cetera. 0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:03.719 He's like, girl, if I'm noticing other people are noticing too, 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:06.280 this is gonna bite you in the ass. She insists 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:09.160 she's got it covered and Finn's like, all right, it's cool. 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:10.760 You know where to find me, and then he hands 0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:12.960 her a wad of cash. He's such a good friend. 0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:14.879 He just like hands her a bunch of money and 0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:17.160 he's like, but whatever this is, stop it now. 0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:18.680 I'm not ready for another partner. 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:21.319 Finn walks out, we see Declan and one of his 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:24.760 goons are sitting right there. They approach Rollins. She hands 0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:27.959 Declan the cash immediately and he's and she's like, maybe 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:29.880 it's time for me to get out of this extremely 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:32.880 dangerous situation and he's like no, Soandra needs another favor. 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:36.240 The goon Carlos like the guy who's been with working 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:38.200 with Declan the whole time. Is this guy Carlos and 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:40.040 he's gotten into a jam. He got stopped at a 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:43.919 speed trap with an unlicensed gun, and Rollins is like, uh, well, 0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:45.879 I don't work for the DA and they're like, well, 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:47.560 we just need to make the gun go bye bye, 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:48.680 like no gun, no case. 0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:52.960 And she's like, oh my god. She's like so much right, 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.640 Like why didn't she just tell Benson. 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:59.040 Like this is so much worse, all this shit, I mean, 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.719 we figure it out. But she asks like does he 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.160 have a record, and he's like, I'm squeaky clean. 0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:06.680 I don't even have a parking ticket. 0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:09.719 And Declan's like okay, like see what you can do, 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:11.759 and Rollin's looks stressed, and I can see it's like 0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:15.040 they're just testing the boundaries, like of her morality. Like 0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:17.080 at first it's like parking tickets. Like at first I 0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:18.320 was like, well, who cares about the parking tickets? I 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:20.640 think they're seeing how far she can go, because first 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:23.960 it's parking tickets. Then it's follow this, we went home 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:25.319 and just get us her address and we're not going 0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:25.640 to hurt he. 0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:28.440 We're actually going to give her money. Then it's oh man, 0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:29.000 it's a gun. 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:31.160 I was carrying a gun without a license, Like, I'm 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:34.239 not hurting anybody, right, So they're seeing like how far up, 0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:37.840 how far she'll go? But literally checking out evidence is 0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:42.040 definitely a level up from the other two things. So 0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:46.520 cut to her looking incognito in a baseball cap at 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.400 the evidence locker. She's keeping her head down. She shows 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:52.200 a badge. The guy calls her detective Wheeler. So she's 0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:54.880 clearly gone out of her way to get a fake badge, 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:58.319 and she's like avoiding the security cameras, keeping her head down. 0:49:58.520 --> 0:49:59.759 She looks shady as hell. 0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:03.239 Back at the gambling club, Soandra is complimenting Rolins on 0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:05.680 a job well done. This pays off your interest at 0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:07.160 the club. I don't know if that pays off the 0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:10.640 base debt, but the interest. Carlos is like, uh so, 0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:12.960 now my DNA isn't in the system, and Rollins is 0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:15.120 like it never was. It only gets entered when there's 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:18.920 a conviction. Sondra's like when's your next shift and like 0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.080 can you work a double? And then Declan goes hold on, 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:23.320 I don't know about this plan, and she's like butt out, loser, 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:24.960 and he looks pissed, like he looks sad that he's 0:50:24.960 --> 0:50:28.480 being cut out. At the precinct, Rollins is playing Solitaire 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:30.080 on her computer. It's like this woman cannot get away 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:30.640 from cards. 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:31.000 Uh. 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:34.719 And there's a call and Finn writes down and address 0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:37.680 and Rollins recognizes the address and she goes, you know what, 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:40.279 I'll take the call. You guys have been covering for 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:41.160 me a lot lately. 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.759 And then Finn's like, I'll go with you, and then 0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:46.439 Amaro looks suspicious. He's like, because I think it's because 0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:49.399 Rollins does have It's obviously the act. It's obviously Kelly 0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:52.400 Giddish is like acting choices to like subtly telegraph that 0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:55.080 she is lying, but it seems very clear whenever she lies. 0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:58.520 And it is the house of the Brazilian diplomat, and 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:00.839 apparently a purp used the key he pad to get in, 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:04.680 pulled a gun, tied up the husband, and raped his wife. 0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:08.200 The perp took cash, but left jewelry and electronics. And 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:11.799 Major Crimes is sending their art expert because some significant 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:15.680 paintings were stolen. Finn introduces himself to the Brazilian diplomat 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:17.960 and he's like, what took you so long. Then he 0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:21.160 clocks Rollin's and you can see his face just trying 0:51:21.160 --> 0:51:24.560 to process what's going on, and Rollins goes, I'll take 0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:27.160 the wife, and then it seems like the. 0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:29.120 Guys she's doing this. 0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:32.919 I know he'll keep going, but like it's really weird 0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:37.239 because then she's like Rollin. But when she talks to 0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:39.200 the wife and the wife is clearly scared, it seems 0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:41.799 like Rollin's like, what, I'm just a cop, Why are 0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:42.480 you acting like this? 0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:44.839 Like she's you know what I mean. I think she's 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:47.359 used threatening or like what is going on? 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:49.680 She's trying to cover her ass because she knows she 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:51.560 was at that house the night before and she's going 0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:55.200 to be on security footage or something. I think I 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.399 think it's like a Brazilian diplomat's how she knows there's 0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:59.080 going to be camera footage. She's like, if I go, 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:01.640 I can insert myself in the investigation and at least 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:03.920 cover my own ass. I think that's why she's doing it, 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:07.200 But it is it is wild that she would even yeah, 0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:09.840 go up to the lady and be like not without. 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:12.680 Some kind of plan, you know. Well, she also seems 0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:16.719 confused why they're all scared of for me, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:19.240 So but the guy is obviously scared. 0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:21.520 He's changing his story, like originally he said he saw 0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:23.279 the rapist face and now he's like, oh, no, the 0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:25.400 guy wore a mask. Now that he's seen Rolins, he's like, no, 0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:27.880 the guy wore a mask. And obviously he thinks the 0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:30.440 club is sending Rowlins to intimidate him. And you know, 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:33.920 it's very scary to know that your enemies are like it, 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:37.200 have the cops in their pockets. So upstairs, the wife 0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:39.279 is telling this other officer about her attack, and when 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:43.040 she sees Amanda, she goes, Okay, I get the message. 0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:44.319 I know what to do. I know what to do. 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:46.440 And then Rollins tries to like touch her on the 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:48.759 leg and she slaps her hand away and starts going, 0:52:48.920 --> 0:52:51.120 I don't remember anything. I don't remember anything, and Rollins 0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:55.760 looks ashamed like she is spiralless cickets. 0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:58.239 It's like a fuckingw it. Yeah, and it's your fault. 0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:00.920 Rollins like, yeah, I honestly can't believes she kept her 0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:03.440 job and that we've had her on the podcast and 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:06.560 like her like, I'm I do not forgive her for this. 0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:09.320 It well, that's why we have to have forgiving Rollins, 0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:12.080 which is another episode later, like because she does so 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.200 much bad shit that we have to forgive her. But 0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:17.799 live in Tomorrow now are on the scene. They're trying 0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:20.480 to figure out what's up. They're like, maybe they knew 0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:23.239 the assailant and they were scared of him. Rollin because 0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:27.000 the guy, the Brazilian guy, would know Carlos, because Carlos 0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:28.680 is at the club working, So it is weird he 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:30.359 would even ever say that he saw his face. 0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:32.240 It's kind of even weird that he would call the cops. 0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:35.840 I'll be honest, like, because if he knows it's Carlos, 0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:37.520 he wouldn't call the cops. He's like, these people are 0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:39.759 doing this because of my fucking debts. But maybe because 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.160 he has immunity. He calls for justice for his wife. 0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:44.319 I don't know. I think it's rape and the art. 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:47.840 Yeah, that's true, and it belongs to the Brazilian government, 0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:49.400 so they're gonna get in trouble for that, You're right. 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:54.120 So Rollins is like, I'll pull security footage because, like 0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:56.320 I said, you know, she's trying to cover her fucking tracks. 0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:59.640 Back at the precinct, She's running through some footage. Finn's 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:01.359 look a looking over her shoulder and he's like, slow down, 0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:02.480 I can't even see what you're looking at. 0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:05.000 She's like I got this, Like she's so shady. 0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:08.319 Finn goes, well, the victim wouldn't do a rape kit, 0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:10.320 but there was semen and hair found at the scene. 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:13.720 Then they get a hit on the DNA Carlos Reva. 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:14.839 Oh no, not. 0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:18.680 Squeaky clean Carlos, and Rollins is like, sorry, if you're 0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:20.320 listening to this and you hadn't seen the episode, I 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:22.640 did reveal that about a minute ago, and I apologize. 0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:25.560 It was Carlos, the guy who's the muscle guy from 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:26.000 the club. 0:54:26.400 --> 0:54:28.520 And Rollins is like, whoa are you sure? 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:31.480 Like what criminal would leave their jiz behind when their 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.239 DNA is in the system. So it turns out that 0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:37.879 Carlos does have a record and the gun they can 0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:40.120 see the gun charge that was just dropped, but also 0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:45.120 that he has a stalking charge plea that he pled 0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:48.040 down to domestic assault from last fall. I don't know 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:51.239 why his DNA would necessarily be in the system. Maybe 0:54:51.280 --> 0:54:51.759 if there was. 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:54.120 Like a physical altercation, but I think if you go 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:58.280 to jail, you give up your DNA, not like a swab, 0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:00.200 I don't think, And. 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:02.799 Like, I don't know if I don't know if they 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:04.680 do DNA. I know they do fingerprints and shit, I 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:06.320 don't know if they do DNA. If you go to jail, 0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:08.839 I wonder. I don't know, but I wonder. But then 0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:13.440 tomorrow goes. Good thing. New York finally authorized all crimes DNA, 0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:15.920 so their act and I googled that, but I couldn't 0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:16.600 find anything. 0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:19.360 So maybe some of our New York law. 0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:21.640 People can get involved and tell me what's going on, 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:26.080 because I assumed that they thought because this was like 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:29.160 a misdemeanor or something, because it's not a felony maybe, 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.880 but like now it's all crimes DNA, and so like 0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:34.200 that's why they thought that he would get away with it. Anyway, 0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:38.920 Rollins is like, oh, yawn, stretch, damn guys, I'm really sleepy. 0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:41.920 And so Finn sends her home and says me and 0:55:42.000 --> 0:55:42.919 tomorrow got it. 0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:46.400 And then yeah, for detectives, they're really not catching on. 0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:51.600 They kind of are, I mean, yeah, and Finn goes tomorrow. 0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:53.040 Whatever you're thinking, don't. 0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:56.680 So now they're at an art gallery and they're talking 0:55:56.719 --> 0:55:59.800 to some guy showing him a photo of Carlos and 0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:03.000 he's like, yeah, I don't recognize him, but like I 0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:05.600 can look into it and see maybe if he is 0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:08.319 like a driver for us or something. And Tomorrow's like, yeah, yeah, 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.400 I get on that, and he asks, do you know 0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:13.359 the artist bea tri Sa Morante And that's someone they've 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:15.640 mentioned earlier in the episode as the artist who did 0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:17.279 a lot of the paintings that were hanging in the 0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:21.040 Brazilian diplomat's house and that were stolen during this like 0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:24.600 rape slash burglary. He says, oh, yeah, she's one of 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:26.880 Brazil's best artists, and then they're like, oh, do you 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:28.840 have any of her work? And he's like, she's an 0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:31.560 audacious painter, but she's not quite on our radar. 0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:32.719 And I was like, I don't. 0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:34.799 I know, We're going to get to this later, but 0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:36.759 I was like, what are you just are you shading her? 0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:38.480 Like what if she's one of the best, why don't 0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:41.440 you why don't you want her art? Anyway? Back at 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:44.560 club no sorry, I was about to say, back at 0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:48.839 Club Rollins. Back at the club, Rollins is like you sick. 0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:50.920 Fox wanted me to clear the gun charge, so this 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:54.840 guy could revenge rape Marcello's wife. They're certainly calling him Marcelo. 0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:58.360 He's the Brazilian diplomat. Declan goes, that was Sondra's idea, 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:01.160 and Rollins is like, you did that to an innocent woman, 0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:02.839 Like I thought we had a drink and we were 0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:05.560 like talking lady to lady about like girl power and 0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:06.719 raising each other up. 0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:09.839 Sondra's like, she had fair warnings. So did he. 0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:12.319 He thought he was untouchable and we had to, you know, 0:57:12.400 --> 0:57:15.840 send him a message. And Declan is pissed. He's like, 0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:18.040 this was a dumb move. I should have been consulted. 0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:22.320 Sondra's like, well, it's Rollin's his fault. She didn't get 0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:25.560 Carlos's DNA out of Cotis and Rollins goes crazy. She 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:28.360 like rushes at her and goes, Carlos said he had 0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:31.120 no record, and Sondra just laughs and goes, he lied. 0:57:31.200 --> 0:57:33.880 He's a criminal. You should have run his name. Clean 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:37.160 this up. And Rollins is like or what? And Sondra 0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:38.960 threatens to turn her over to her own people for 0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:42.160 stealing the gun from evidence, and even Declan is like, 0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:44.560 how is she going to fix this? And he goes 0:57:44.840 --> 0:57:48.280 they have this Egypt's DNA and I just had to 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:51.200 bring that up because they're giving him so many little irishisms. 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:55.040 And I was like semi raised by two Irish babysitters 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:57.600 that lived at our house, oh pairs, and they used 0:57:57.640 --> 0:57:59.720 to call us Egypts and people Egypts all the time. 0:57:59.760 --> 0:58:01.520 And it's like a fun it's a fun little it's 0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:05.480 a fun little phrase. What does it imply, though, like idiot? 0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:09.960 I think it's just like a dummy. And I don't 0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:12.160 think they were calling us. They would just be like, 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:14.800 I don't know. They would call us cheeky monkeys and 0:58:14.840 --> 0:58:16.800 eat and then they would say maybe they'd never called 0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:18.320 us egypt but they would say like, oh, he's an 0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:19.280 Egypt or something. 0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:19.520 You know. 0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:22.160 Anyway, a little a little high for all I know, 0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:24.240 we have Irish listeners, So we're bringing up, we're bringing 0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:31.120 up your culture. And Rollins is thinking, and she's like, 0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:33.400 I need to get a DNA sample from Carlos. 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:35.080 So now at the lab. 0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:37.919 Rollins is talking to friend of the pod Karen send 0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:42.080 Lee aka Emmy Susan Chung and asking her, Hey, can 0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:44.480 you run this sample on someone that our victim's been 0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:45.400 having an affair. 0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:46.560 With it's just to eliminate him. 0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:49.320 And Chung is like looking concerned because she does her 0:58:49.360 --> 0:58:51.640 job properly and is like, well, this isn't really going 0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:53.760 through the right channels, and Rollins is like, babe, babe, 0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:57.800 I'll get you the paperwork, like relax and just fully 0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:02.480 jeopardizing other people's careers like like slashing. 0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:06.840 Yeah, it's like crazy that we keep having And now 0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:12.000 she's a professor like yeah, So now Amarro is talking 0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:15.000 to evidence locker guy and he's like, look, I signed 0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:17.600 it out to Megan Wheeler and then they are like, well, dude, 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:20.840 she retired four years ago. So and on the security 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:25.600 footage that Tomorrow's looking at, it's pretty fucking obvious it's Amanda. 0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:27.760 But then there's one shot where she looks up and 0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:31.520 it's like very clear it's her. Amorrow is now in 0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:34.160 Live's office with Finn, showing her a shit ton of 0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:37.600 evidence like of Rolin shady dealings like signing out the gun, 0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:40.520 driving the diplomat home, the elimination DNA. 0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:43.919 Live is like, stop digging, I'll handle this. Don't tip 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:46.720 her off, pretend everything is normal, and Finn's like, I 0:59:46.720 --> 0:59:48.640 don't want to go behind your back, but I gotta 0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:51.400 let Rolins know what we know, like it's partner etiquette, 0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:55.000 and he goes, if this was Nick or Elliott, there's. 0:59:54.800 --> 0:59:56.880 The magic word. There's the magic word. 0:59:56.920 --> 0:59:59.360 He's been gone two seasons and she three seasons, and 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.000 she's like, you're right, I would have definitely told him 1:00:02.000 --> 1:00:04.520 because I would have given him a kidney. So we 1:00:04.640 --> 1:00:07.080 cut to Finn and live at a bar with Rollins 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:10.200 and they're fucking laying down the law with her. Benson 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:13.320 is pretty disgusted with Rollins and doesn't even know if 1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:16.680 she believes that Rollins didn't know about the rape before 1:00:16.680 --> 1:00:19.400 it happened. And they're like, you got to turn yourself in, 1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:21.040 and she's like, they're gonna put me in prison, and 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:23.640 Lives like you had to know nothing good was gonna 1:00:23.640 --> 1:00:25.800 come of working with these sketchy fucks, and Rollins is like, 1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:27.560 I just had to work off my debt and be done. 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:30.240 That's what I thought was gonna happen, and Lives like, okay, 1:00:30.320 --> 1:00:32.560 you are done, girl, Like I'm here for Finn, but 1:00:32.560 --> 1:00:35.120 I'm calling iab on your ass, and then Rollins goes, 1:00:35.160 --> 1:00:36.200 let me turn myself in. 1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:37.520 I just need a few hours. 1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:39.160 So I can figure out what to do with Franny 1:00:39.640 --> 1:00:42.360 and Lives like eight am tomorrow, it's over, We're taking 1:00:42.400 --> 1:00:44.720 you in and that like that never works out whenever 1:00:44.760 --> 1:00:47.440 they go cool eight am tomorrow, see you there. We 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:51.600 never that meeting never happens. Rollins shares a look with Finn. 1:00:52.040 --> 1:00:54.320 In the next scene, Declan is getting out of the 1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:57.240 car and Tomorrow goes up to him and Sucker punches 1:00:57.320 --> 1:01:00.000 him and he goes, stay away from Rollins. I mean, like, dude, 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:02.840 Lives told you six times to drop it, and instead 1:01:02.880 --> 1:01:05.000 you fully put yourself right in the middle of it. 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:08.080 And Declan's like, are you the boyfriend? And then he goes, 1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:10.680 She's not half bad once you get past the used part. 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:14.080 It's like he's like really rough on Amanda for like 1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:17.360 being from the South, I guess. And now Rollins is 1:01:17.400 --> 1:01:19.680 in the back room of the club and Jess says 1:01:19.800 --> 1:01:21.440 they're going to take her shield and she's going to 1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:23.560 go to prison, and Sondra's like, I don't. 1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:26.600 Know you, like Mariah Carey all the way. 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:28.880 She's like, I don't know you, bitch, and she's like, 1:01:28.880 --> 1:01:30.360 if you try to cut a deal, my boss will 1:01:30.360 --> 1:01:32.280 put a bullet in your brain. And the cop from 1:01:32.320 --> 1:01:35.000 the They're like, remember that cop from the twenty fourth 1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:38.560 who ate his gun that wasn't to suicide? So fuck 1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:41.960 these people are not just like gamblers trying to get 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:46.880 rid of parking tickets. They're fucking scary psycho people. Rollins 1:01:46.920 --> 1:01:49.240 gets close to Sandra and then pulls a gun and 1:01:49.280 --> 1:01:52.360 presses it to her pregnant belly, and it's like, did 1:01:52.400 --> 1:01:55.120 these people stop patting her down? I don't understand, even 1:01:55.160 --> 1:01:58.240 though now she's more desperate than ever, Like they're like, 1:01:58.320 --> 1:01:59.920 let's just let her in, even though she's got every 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:01.880 thing to lose, litterate, don't don't check if she has 1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:06.320 a gun. So she makes Declan hand over his guns 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:08.720 and then tells Sondra, I need to meet the boss, 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:10.920 Like we're taking this up a level, bitch, and so, 1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:15.160 oh snap, look who the boss is? The innocent art 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:17.560 gallery director that we didn't even get a name on, 1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:19.760 Like we didn't even clock this guy. 1:02:20.320 --> 1:02:23.520 They get him to say, I actually knew it all along, 1:02:23.680 --> 1:02:25.400 but it's because I've seen this a lot. 1:02:25.640 --> 1:02:31.920 Yeah, they get art gallery guys gun, they ask, and 1:02:31.960 --> 1:02:34.240 he goes if anything happens to that baby, and Rollins 1:02:34.320 --> 1:02:36.680 realizes that the boss man is the father of the baby, 1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:39.720 so him and Chandra are a thing, their their work 1:02:39.840 --> 1:02:44.040 and business. And then she goes nice work sister to 1:02:44.360 --> 1:02:48.360 uh Chandra, and then I think that's shady, just being like, oh, 1:02:48.400 --> 1:02:49.840 I thought you kind of like worked your way up, 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:52.920 but really you're just like fucking the boss. And she 1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:55.720 wants Rollins is doing that thing which we just saw 1:02:55.760 --> 1:02:58.240 in a recent episode of SVU, like I want a 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:00.600 million in cash, I want a new path, I want 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:03.400 a private plane, like asking for all these wild demands 1:03:03.400 --> 1:03:04.440 that it's like you. 1:03:04.640 --> 1:03:06.440 Kind of know you you're not gonna get those right. 1:03:06.840 --> 1:03:09.720 And then she wants to take Sondra with her for insurance, 1:03:09.840 --> 1:03:13.919 and Rollins is acting like unhinged and and like because 1:03:13.920 --> 1:03:16.280 at first Sondra's like, yeah, babe, let's all go. We 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:18.240 can just all go on a little trip. It's fine. 1:03:18.280 --> 1:03:21.160 And then suddenly she gets a pain like in her stomach. 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:23.680 She has to sit down. Everyone's worried about her. Declan 1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:26.320 grabs a gun and pistol whips Rollins across her face. 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:29.120 She's on the ground, and then Anton, who's the name 1:03:29.120 --> 1:03:30.800 of the big boss, is like kill her. 1:03:31.240 --> 1:03:33.600 And then suddenly you all wanted a twist. 1:03:34.240 --> 1:03:37.520 Declan points the gun at Sondra and Anton and says, 1:03:37.720 --> 1:03:42.040 hands in the air, Lieutenant Declan Murphy, NYPD, you're all 1:03:42.120 --> 1:03:43.400 under arrest and done. 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:43.760 Done. 1:03:43.800 --> 1:03:46.440 The Irish accent was fake two b B. 1:03:48.520 --> 1:03:51.640 We did ruin this surprise for everyone. Yeah, I'm sorry, 1:03:51.720 --> 1:03:52.200 I'm sorry. 1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:54.440 I just think if you know the guy, you if 1:03:54.440 --> 1:03:57.400 you watched any episodes in season fifteen sixteen seventeen, like, 1:03:57.440 --> 1:03:58.160 he's all over it. 1:03:58.240 --> 1:04:01.360 So yeah, it's like you we knew, but it is, 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:01.800 it is. 1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:03.960 It was a great twist, Like when you're watching this 1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:06.360 episode not having seen it, it's a great fucking twist. 1:04:06.640 --> 1:04:10.880 And this but this guy is Canadian American, but I've 1:04:10.880 --> 1:04:14.040 seen him in Sons of Anarchy also playing an irishman, 1:04:14.120 --> 1:04:16.160 so clearly Irish accents are like. 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:18.360 Sure, it's because he is er. 1:04:18.640 --> 1:04:20.520 Yeah, and but he's good at the accent too, like 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:21.960 he's killing the accent. 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:27.320 You know. Well, he's donal Logue. He must be Irish though, Like, 1:04:28.200 --> 1:04:34.040 but he grew up. Yeah, he's Canadian American. That's a 1:04:34.080 --> 1:04:35.040 funky name though. 1:04:35.880 --> 1:04:38.480 Yeah, I mean his parents are Irish, so he does 1:04:38.480 --> 1:04:40.880 the accent well because his parents he went to Ireland 1:04:40.880 --> 1:04:42.960 in the Yeah. 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:44.320 Yeah, he was born in Ottawa. 1:04:44.800 --> 1:04:48.600 He lived in Boston, California, and he's been studying his parents' accents. 1:04:48.680 --> 1:04:52.280 So anyway, in the last act, we opened the top 1:04:52.320 --> 1:04:54.640 of this with the tape. So obviously we knew when 1:04:54.640 --> 1:04:57.520 they set up that tape of them allegedly having some 1:04:57.600 --> 1:05:00.560 kind of sexual twist, that that tape was either gonna 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:02.640 get out or you're gonna see a part of it. Okay, 1:05:03.040 --> 1:05:06.480 so we see the tape of when she allegedly banged 1:05:06.560 --> 1:05:07.680 or blue Declan whatever. 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:09.120 We didn't know what was happening, But. 1:05:09.120 --> 1:05:11.120 What happened for real was he told her I'm not 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:13.640 interested in whatever you're trying to offer me right now. 1:05:13.680 --> 1:05:16.880 I'm Lieutenant Declan Murphy, Manhattan, Vice. The color of the 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:20.120 day is green. Don't forget that. That's how they id 1:05:20.280 --> 1:05:22.680 each other to each other. So now back to this 1:05:22.760 --> 1:05:25.440 IAB meeting Declan is basically like, as soon as that 1:05:25.480 --> 1:05:27.880 moment happened when I revealed myself to her, she was 1:05:27.960 --> 1:05:31.160 on loan to Vice as a UC. She was working 1:05:31.160 --> 1:05:32.880 for me the whole time, and IAB was like, you 1:05:32.920 --> 1:05:35.439 should have come to us, and Declan's like I tried 1:05:35.480 --> 1:05:39.240 to connect Sondra and Anton for two years. Rollins did 1:05:39.280 --> 1:05:41.560 it in three days, Like and it's like, don't send 1:05:41.600 --> 1:05:43.080 a man to do a woman's job, Am I right? 1:05:43.200 --> 1:05:46.680 Like he's been undercover with this group for two years. 1:05:46.440 --> 1:05:47.000 That's what I mean. 1:05:47.120 --> 1:05:50.280 Like how does Vice have these unlimited budgets forgetting I 1:05:50.280 --> 1:05:53.880 mean they're murders too, yeah, but like just get them 1:05:53.920 --> 1:05:57.760 on murder Like I don't understand these little games and 1:05:57.840 --> 1:05:59.400 full investigations. 1:05:59.640 --> 1:06:02.320 And I wonder if, like when he's on Vice, like 1:06:02.360 --> 1:06:03.920 in a Vice investigation. 1:06:03.440 --> 1:06:06.680 Does any enough evidence? There's not enough evidence after two years. 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:08.240 That's crazy, I know. 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:12.360 I think it's like Anton, like nobody ever Sondra was 1:06:12.360 --> 1:06:14.080 always like as the boss, but he was like a 1:06:14.080 --> 1:06:15.959 shadowy figure that they couldn't figure out. And I guess 1:06:15.960 --> 1:06:18.160 putting a gun to his girlfriend's belly is like the 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:19.800 only way we could get to him. 1:06:20.000 --> 1:06:23.280 So but it's crazy that you couldn't figure that out. 1:06:23.320 --> 1:06:25.560 You couldn't follow her, you could, Yeah, Like there's no 1:06:25.680 --> 1:06:27.920 way that she's she got pregnant by this guy she 1:06:27.960 --> 1:06:30.120 sees him, Like, there's no way you could have figured 1:06:30.160 --> 1:06:32.680 weaseled your way into meeting Anton after two years. 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:33.760 I always wonder too. 1:06:33.840 --> 1:06:36.080 I'm like, if you're working at an illegal gambling club 1:06:36.120 --> 1:06:38.440 at night, like as an undercover, Like during the day, 1:06:38.440 --> 1:06:40.720 are you just like at your apartment doing your regular 1:06:40.760 --> 1:06:42.120 life and then you just go to work at night 1:06:42.160 --> 1:06:44.320 as undercover or do you have to be fully in 1:06:45.120 --> 1:06:49.120 like apartment like the idea. 1:06:48.840 --> 1:06:50.840 Yeah, you have to be fully ameshed. But I think 1:06:50.920 --> 1:06:53.360 you rest in the day. I think you live that lifestyle. 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:56.840 I don't think you're going to the office. No, but 1:06:57.000 --> 1:06:58.840 like if you had a yeah, I guess. I'm kind 1:06:58.840 --> 1:07:03.600 of like, no. Don you remember that episode Ze Wildlife 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:06.680 where he's like I lost everything going undercover man? 1:07:07.080 --> 1:07:08.240 Yeah? 1:07:08.360 --> 1:07:11.200 Yeah, and Stabler's simply not calling his wife back. But 1:07:11.240 --> 1:07:12.880 that's also just Stabler, you know. I don't know if 1:07:12.880 --> 1:07:14.880 he's ever like actually allowed to slip away and go 1:07:14.960 --> 1:07:17.360 see his family, if it's a long mission, if it's 1:07:17.360 --> 1:07:19.600 two years, like I don't know, do you only get 1:07:19.640 --> 1:07:22.600 guys that have no families, no friends, no interest in their. 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:25.520 Regular life for two years? It's like, Wow, it's wild. 1:07:25.640 --> 1:07:27.680 If you know any more information about going undercover, I'd 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:29.000 love to know, please dm us. 1:07:29.880 --> 1:07:31.560 So both of them, Declan. 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:33.360 And Rawlins are like, we did not know about the 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:36.240 plan to rape the diplomat's wife, like we're sick about it. 1:07:36.400 --> 1:07:39.000 But they're like, Carlos Reva is in custody and will 1:07:39.000 --> 1:07:42.240 plead guilty to rape one and grand larceny. IAB points 1:07:42.280 --> 1:07:44.600 out that the man behind all of this is Anton 1:07:44.720 --> 1:07:47.160 Nadari and they're like, so the guy who was just 1:07:47.200 --> 1:07:51.000 profiled in the New York Times as a superstar art dealer, 1:07:51.520 --> 1:07:54.240 And they're like, yeah, art dealing is his cover. He's 1:07:54.280 --> 1:07:57.560 got a huge international criminal enterprise. We have his confession 1:07:57.680 --> 1:08:00.919 on here, and it's like and it's some gaudy ring 1:08:01.040 --> 1:08:02.880 that he said, I hung it on a wire at 1:08:02.920 --> 1:08:05.680 the gallery. It's like, good one, no one noticed that 1:08:05.800 --> 1:08:09.720 totally normal ring hanging on a wire at the gallery, Like. 1:08:09.760 --> 1:08:11.560 Wait, what, oh my god. 1:08:11.720 --> 1:08:13.960 It's like a ruby ring that he places down and 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:16.000 goes His whole confession is on here, because like the 1:08:16.040 --> 1:08:18.040 guy goes to his own art gallery and goes, this 1:08:18.200 --> 1:08:21.479 is a front. I am running a criminal enterprise. We 1:08:21.560 --> 1:08:25.240 got it all on the ring. Like it's crazy. But 1:08:26.160 --> 1:08:29.040 so I don't know if I caught that really Yeah, 1:08:29.439 --> 1:08:32.439 as I went that little thing it's not even a camera. 1:08:32.520 --> 1:08:35.160 It's like a little ring hanging back, it made no sense. 1:08:35.680 --> 1:08:39.840 They're like, we're gonna get him on art theft, art forgery, extortion, rape, 1:08:39.960 --> 1:08:40.400 murder of. 1:08:40.360 --> 1:08:44.440 A You had all that why two years. 1:08:43.760 --> 1:08:46.840 Because they're saying Sondra is turning state's evidence. It wasn't 1:08:46.880 --> 1:08:48.760 until they got Sondra that they can get this guy 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:51.479 and all this shit. She's selling that guy out, no problem. 1:08:51.600 --> 1:08:53.040 She's like, me and my baby are moving to the 1:08:53.040 --> 1:08:57.120 fucking multives, you know, like she doesn't care. She's ruthless. 1:08:57.320 --> 1:09:00.920 Uh. And Declan is arguing, and that one been raped. Yeah, 1:09:00.920 --> 1:09:01.760 she doesn't give a fuck. 1:09:02.080 --> 1:09:04.719 Yeah, And Declan is arguing that the ends justify the means. 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:06.320 I mean, like, I don't know if I buy that, 1:09:06.360 --> 1:09:08.400 But like this poor woman who's just like a fucking 1:09:08.400 --> 1:09:12.840 wife of a alcoholic, gambling addict diplomat who probably cheats 1:09:12.840 --> 1:09:15.720 on her constantly, has to be the one that got punished. 1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:19.599 But they it did help them take down this fucking 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:23.719 guy who's like killed cops and done all this other stuff. 1:09:23.800 --> 1:09:27.160 So the IAB guy is like, I'm taking this upstairs, 1:09:27.240 --> 1:09:30.040 and then Declan like steps to the IAB guys and 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:34.040 goes given rolins his exemplary performance, she keeps her shields 1:09:34.439 --> 1:09:38.160 or I take it upstairs, Sarge, and it's like, okay, 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:40.920 he likes Rolins. I guess he's taken back all that 1:09:41.040 --> 1:09:45.479 trash talk about her being used up and dirty and like. 1:09:45.840 --> 1:09:48.200 A shit boy value and then he ends up being 1:09:49.240 --> 1:09:50.120 fathering a child. 1:09:50.680 --> 1:09:56.719 Yes, everybody, yeah, just fyi, everybody. She is Billy's mom 1:09:57.160 --> 1:09:58.800 or dad? Which one is which one? 1:09:58.800 --> 1:09:59.000 Oh? 1:09:59.080 --> 1:10:01.600 God, now we have to look Rolin's fucking kids. Hold on, 1:10:02.800 --> 1:10:05.800 isn't is it Jesse and Billy? It's Jesse. Oh, you're right. 1:10:05.920 --> 1:10:09.200 Jesse's the first one, so I believe Jesse is doctor. 1:10:09.360 --> 1:10:14.000 Uh the is the I thought that he was her 1:10:14.040 --> 1:10:17.400 first kid. Oh wow, yeah she doesn't have she doesn't have. 1:10:17.479 --> 1:10:19.000 The Doctor's the second kid. 1:10:19.360 --> 1:10:19.719 Damn. 1:10:19.880 --> 1:10:22.400 Ok yeah, Rolin's and then the and then Cariese's the third. 1:10:22.439 --> 1:10:23.559 She's got three baby daddies. 1:10:24.000 --> 1:10:29.840 And is Donald Loga not an active father? Obviously? 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:30.519 No. 1:10:30.800 --> 1:10:32.960 There's one point where he comes back and she's like, 1:10:33.320 --> 1:10:35.519 he's like, you didn't tell me, and she's like, I 1:10:35.520 --> 1:10:37.360 didn't really think you would want to, Like I kind 1:10:37.360 --> 1:10:39.960 of just made the decision for myself because people think 1:10:40.000 --> 1:10:43.200 that it's Amorro's baby. And then eventually it's like kind 1:10:43.200 --> 1:10:45.840 of revealed that it's Donald, that it's a Declan's baby, 1:10:46.920 --> 1:10:49.240 and I think He's like, if you need anything, let 1:10:49.280 --> 1:10:50.960 me know. But he's going back undercover. He's like an 1:10:51.000 --> 1:10:54.200 undercover junkie, you know. He's like, yeah, you know, well, 1:10:54.280 --> 1:10:57.040 I mean we'll find out whether maybe he'll ever be back. 1:10:57.479 --> 1:11:02.040 So now they're walking down the street together Murphy Decla 1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:04.000 Murphy and Rollins and she's like, you know, you could 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:05.760 have just busted me right away and saved yourself a 1:11:05.800 --> 1:11:08.280 lot of grief. And he says when you came into 1:11:08.320 --> 1:11:10.599 the back room, He's like, I really saw somebody about 1:11:10.600 --> 1:11:13.040 to hit rock bottom. And then he talks about himself 1:11:13.040 --> 1:11:16.160 in the third person and he goes, Decla Murphy believes 1:11:16.160 --> 1:11:18.640 in redemption, that venal sins don't define you. 1:11:18.720 --> 1:11:19.679 The choice is yours. 1:11:20.040 --> 1:11:21.760 Let's hope you make a better choice than like the 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:24.360 shitty ones you've been making. Rollins wants to know how 1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:26.720 much live knows and he goes, well, I finessed it, 1:11:26.800 --> 1:11:30.439 but she's smart, so come clean and stay clean, and 1:11:30.479 --> 1:11:32.679 then he goes May the Road Rise to meet you, detective, 1:11:32.720 --> 1:11:35.120 which is part of the Irish Blessing, and they're laying 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:37.120 on everything Irish so thick with this. 1:11:37.040 --> 1:11:38.120 Guy, it's like hilarious. 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:40.720 Like later in another episode they have him in like 1:11:40.720 --> 1:11:43.800 a classic Irish like fisherman's sweater. It's like they're just 1:11:43.880 --> 1:11:46.920 really like the notes on Donald Loge's character is just 1:11:46.920 --> 1:11:51.360 like a shamrock. But when they're like handed to wardrobe, 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:54.200 they're like, here's what this character is, an Irish man. 1:11:54.840 --> 1:11:59.000 So back at the precinct, Rollins is explaining to Tomorrow 1:11:59.000 --> 1:12:01.320 and Finn, like, this is I couldn't tell you like 1:12:01.360 --> 1:12:03.840 I had to tell Live. She had to know, so 1:12:03.920 --> 1:12:06.000 I guess Live knew the whole time, and that's why 1:12:06.080 --> 1:12:09.200 she was like. That's why she was like, don't dig 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:11.519 into this anymore to the guys, because she did know 1:12:11.560 --> 1:12:14.080 what was going on. But then Live calls her into 1:12:14.080 --> 1:12:16.200 the office and she's like, I'm not happy about this, 1:12:16.280 --> 1:12:18.600 like I did have to lie to two of my 1:12:18.640 --> 1:12:21.639 detectives and a woman was raped, which is like against 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:24.520 our full code of ethics. Here, specifically in this precinct, 1:12:24.960 --> 1:12:27.679 she admits that the way she got involved with Wece 1:12:27.840 --> 1:12:30.519 was that because she fell behind at the club. So basically, 1:12:30.520 --> 1:12:34.080 Declan Murphy told uh Benson, oh, I'm using your girl 1:12:34.120 --> 1:12:36.200 as a U see, but he didn't tell her all 1:12:36.240 --> 1:12:38.439 the details of like here's how I found her. So 1:12:38.520 --> 1:12:40.720 she's coming clean about it to Olivia. She's like, I 1:12:40.760 --> 1:12:42.800 got involved with them because I fell behind at this club. 1:12:42.840 --> 1:12:44.479 They found out I was a cop. They leveraged it 1:12:44.479 --> 1:12:47.599 against me, and it's like she just got extremely lucky 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:50.599 that a guy she essentially offered to blow or fuck 1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:53.280 was an undercover might be the officer. 1:12:54.000 --> 1:12:58.120 And yeah, like this could have gone such a different way. Yeah, yeah, 1:12:58.280 --> 1:13:01.600 I could have had a yeah, blow like this dude. 1:13:01.640 --> 1:13:06.920 Right, and then my god, thank god he was an 1:13:07.000 --> 1:13:09.080 under Oh my gosh. Yeah. 1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:11.960 So the two crimes that she committed before she found 1:13:12.000 --> 1:13:15.080 out she was an undercover, though, is the trying to 1:13:15.080 --> 1:13:17.320 fix the parking tickets, which she it's not really like 1:13:17.360 --> 1:13:19.160 a crime. It is like she looked up where they 1:13:19.160 --> 1:13:22.639 do their like busts, and she followed the juror home, 1:13:22.800 --> 1:13:26.360 but she also didn't give them the information. So technically 1:13:26.800 --> 1:13:29.160 the only illegal thing that she did was gamble and 1:13:29.200 --> 1:13:33.280 then solicit not but like, I guess, no, you can 1:13:33.320 --> 1:13:35.439 fuck whoever you want for whatever reason you want, I guess. 1:13:35.439 --> 1:13:38.559 So she is so like, then the next step was 1:13:38.640 --> 1:13:40.479 offering to fuck this guy to get off of like 1:13:40.680 --> 1:13:45.880 her prop to get out of it, you know. So basically, 1:13:47.400 --> 1:13:50.320 Benson is like, all right, well, this guy Murphy might 1:13:50.320 --> 1:13:52.360 trust you, but I don't. And if I weren't so 1:13:52.640 --> 1:13:56.840 short staffed, i'd transfer you. And Rollins is like, I swear, 1:13:56.840 --> 1:13:58.519 I'm going to get back in your good graces. I'm 1:13:58.560 --> 1:14:01.120 gonna try, and Lives like, oh okay, we're done here, 1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:03.919 Like Live is hard ass Live in this episode. 1:14:04.000 --> 1:14:05.920 I don't think I've ever seen her as mad, like, 1:14:06.280 --> 1:14:09.040 I know, outside of to. 1:14:09.280 --> 1:14:12.040 Of herb yeah right, but to like one of the 1:14:12.040 --> 1:14:15.080 detectives and to somebody who eventually becomes like her best friend, 1:14:15.240 --> 1:14:17.559 Like it is kind of it's a it's a fun 1:14:17.640 --> 1:14:19.760 arc though, how those two move, you. 1:14:19.720 --> 1:14:24.960 Know, But this is bad, like Rollins is bad. Yeah, 1:14:25.280 --> 1:14:27.080 I mean Rollins here, you know. 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:30.479 I know she just got desperate and did and like, 1:14:30.680 --> 1:14:32.479 I mean, I think I don't know how Live could 1:14:32.479 --> 1:14:35.560 ever forgive that your actions ledge with this woman being raped, Like, 1:14:35.560 --> 1:14:37.000 I don't know how she could forgive it, but. 1:14:36.880 --> 1:14:39.080 It just seems like I'll make it like I don't know, 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:44.080 she doesn't feel guilty and sad enough for me, Yeah, 1:14:44.120 --> 1:14:48.519 and going there and trying to investigate. Is it's fucked 1:14:49.680 --> 1:14:53.320 intimidating them at the crime scenes. 1:14:53.200 --> 1:14:56.479 Fully, like trying to go, like trying to blow over, 1:14:56.600 --> 1:15:00.599 like tampering with evidence, like the whole case, like honestly 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:02.120 the gun thing. 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:03.759 Like Carlos Reva's lawyer. 1:15:03.920 --> 1:15:05.840 If they found out about her, as the OC could 1:15:05.960 --> 1:15:08.200 argue that this whole fucking case is fucked and that 1:15:08.240 --> 1:15:10.519 he can get off for the rate because there was 1:15:10.560 --> 1:15:15.960 a UC involved that was tampering with evidence, you know, yeah, 1:15:16.000 --> 1:15:19.760 hopefully giving his giving his semen to a fucking medical examiner. 1:15:20.120 --> 1:15:22.240 I don't think Vice would have approved all that shit, 1:15:22.400 --> 1:15:26.280 but you know, here I am with my law degree 1:15:26.280 --> 1:15:30.080 from sv University. Okay, So then and Tomorrow, like look 1:15:30.080 --> 1:15:31.880 at her when she comes out and she kind of 1:15:31.880 --> 1:15:34.160 realizes that like no one in her whole fucking squad 1:15:34.200 --> 1:15:37.360 trusts her poker obsessed ass, and that's dick wolf, Baby, 1:15:37.600 --> 1:15:39.919 She's got a long way to climb out. 1:15:40.360 --> 1:15:43.920 Of this hole. What like four episodes, yeah, something like that. 1:15:45.120 --> 1:15:48.320 I mean, she's literally fucking Nick four episodes later, Like 1:15:48.520 --> 1:15:51.400 she's literally in a in a relations like a casual 1:15:51.439 --> 1:15:54.080 relationship with Tomorrow four episodes later. So I guess everybody 1:15:54.080 --> 1:15:55.240 forgave him forget pretty quick. 1:15:57.439 --> 1:16:08.240 All right, well, we can move right into these crimes. 1:16:08.800 --> 1:16:12.120 So this is the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum art. 1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:13.880 Heist, which I know nothing about. 1:16:13.920 --> 1:16:16.000 But when I saw this was it, I thought Lisa's 1:16:16.000 --> 1:16:17.120 gonna be thrilled. 1:16:17.720 --> 1:16:21.880 I was thrilled. And you know, it's a heist. We 1:16:21.960 --> 1:16:24.800 can all deal like. It's nice to have a little 1:16:24.840 --> 1:16:29.880 heist with all the grapes. So in nineteen ninety there 1:16:29.920 --> 1:16:34.000 was a theft of thirteen artworks from this museum, Isabella 1:16:34.080 --> 1:16:37.599 Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston. They made off with hundreds 1:16:37.640 --> 1:16:40.160 of millions of dollars in stolen art. And it's coming 1:16:40.200 --> 1:16:43.640 out about thirty five years ago that this happened. And 1:16:43.680 --> 1:16:46.320 so this woman, she's pretty fucking cool. So she lived 1:16:46.320 --> 1:16:49.720 from eighteen forty to nineteen twenty four, and she was 1:16:49.760 --> 1:16:52.800 an American art collector, of philanthropist, patron of the arts, 1:16:52.840 --> 1:16:55.400 and she founded the museum. She was popular and cool 1:16:55.439 --> 1:16:58.800 and obviously a NEPO. She was the daughter of a 1:16:58.800 --> 1:17:01.040 wealthy linen merchant and grew up. 1:17:00.920 --> 1:17:03.360 In Manhattan, Okay. 1:17:04.080 --> 1:17:07.520 She was known to enjoy flirting with scandal and gossip. 1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:11.960 According to CNN Style, she marries one of Boston's most 1:17:12.000 --> 1:17:15.759 eligible bachelors, and so that's how she got the gardener 1:17:15.880 --> 1:17:18.559 last name. And then he died in eighteen ninety eight, 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:22.440 and suddenly she's like, you know what I'm going to realize, 1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:25.559 like our share dream of building a museum for all 1:17:25.600 --> 1:17:28.679 of our treasures. And it opened in nineteen oh three. 1:17:28.960 --> 1:17:32.600 There was a giant grand opening party, champagne and donuts. 1:17:33.000 --> 1:17:37.000 This bitch is fun. The Boston Symphony Orchestra played. So 1:17:37.040 --> 1:17:40.920 in nineteen ninety two, men snuck into the museum disguised 1:17:40.920 --> 1:17:45.280 as police officers answering a distress call. It was like 1:17:45.400 --> 1:17:49.759 pre dawn hours of March eighteenth, nineteen ninety right after 1:17:49.800 --> 1:17:53.040 the Saint Patrick's Day parade, and you know Boston and Saint. 1:17:52.760 --> 1:17:56.080 Patty's Like, people are, I've been there for Saint Patrick's 1:17:56.120 --> 1:17:59.360 Day and it's fucking nuts. Wait, can I just wiggle 1:17:59.400 --> 1:18:01.080 it really quickly? Tell a story about when I went 1:18:01.120 --> 1:18:04.280 to Saint Patrick's Day in Boston. Of course I was 1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:07.120 fucked up, and I had a beer in my purse 1:18:07.240 --> 1:18:10.760 and somehow it got punctured and it started exploding all 1:18:10.760 --> 1:18:13.160 over my purse. So I got down on the street 1:18:13.240 --> 1:18:15.000 and I just dumped my whole purse out onto the 1:18:15.040 --> 1:18:17.760 street and I was just trying to like save my 1:18:17.800 --> 1:18:19.160 shit from getting soaked in beer. 1:18:19.640 --> 1:18:21.720 And these two girls walk by, and I heard this 1:18:21.760 --> 1:18:23.720 one girl go, promise me you'll never let me get 1:18:23.720 --> 1:18:23.960 like that. 1:18:28.760 --> 1:18:31.280 And you know what, I had a great day after 1:18:31.320 --> 1:18:35.040 that saved my shit kept going and I was in Southee. Okay, 1:18:35.200 --> 1:18:38.040 that's the most Irish fucking area to be in Boston, and. 1:18:37.960 --> 1:18:41.280 It was nuts. That's so funny. That's it. Sorry to interrupt. 1:18:41.360 --> 1:18:43.000 I just had that thought PLoP into my head. 1:18:43.479 --> 1:18:47.000 I love Saint Patrick's Day and just tying up two 1:18:47.080 --> 1:18:49.479 guards is like, is this a cartoon? 1:18:49.680 --> 1:18:50.639 Is this Scooby Doo? 1:18:51.280 --> 1:18:51.479 Yeah? 1:18:51.680 --> 1:18:53.760 Oh, this is also the birthday of my brothers, my 1:18:53.800 --> 1:18:56.959 twin brothers. This would have been their third birthday, Okay. 1:18:57.160 --> 1:18:59.840 And they and this guy, I mean, they took rembrands 1:19:01.040 --> 1:19:04.880 for mere about like five hundred million dollars worth, But 1:19:04.960 --> 1:19:06.599 they also took like different things. 1:19:06.600 --> 1:19:07.439 They were kind of weird. 1:19:07.479 --> 1:19:11.120 They took a nondescript Chinese metal vase, a bronze eagle 1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:14.800 from a top a flagpole. Five minor sketches by dig 1:19:14.880 --> 1:19:19.200 oz A, Mane, Manette, Manet Mene. I think it's just 1:19:19.280 --> 1:19:22.640 crazy that like change it like Monet, Like I don't know, 1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:23.400 it's just like kind of. 1:19:24.280 --> 1:19:25.760 They're like, I'm gonna kind of do that too, but 1:19:25.840 --> 1:19:29.559 I'm mayne. It's a cheater brand. It's honestly a cheater brand. 1:19:29.720 --> 1:19:32.160 You cannot be tipsy girl after skinny girl. 1:19:32.240 --> 1:19:37.920 Sorry, but the painting is the Chez Tortoni, or as 1:19:38.040 --> 1:19:42.719 I like to call it, Tordellini. And so they walked 1:19:42.760 --> 1:19:47.519 by tons of things worth millions, like jade figurines and 1:19:47.520 --> 1:19:50.840 are drawing by Michelangelo. But then they spent a giant 1:19:50.880 --> 1:19:54.000 amount of time fussing to get this vase. So it's 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:57.639 just so really confusing. They also left behind a super 1:19:57.680 --> 1:20:01.120 prized red brand that they took down, but then they 1:20:01.200 --> 1:20:05.920 left leaning against a cabinet and then okay, so ANTHONYA. 1:20:06.000 --> 1:20:08.519 Morey is the director of security at. 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:11.519 The museum now not during the heist, and he thinks 1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:14.479 that they just forgot it that red brand that was 1:20:14.600 --> 1:20:15.599 like you just. 1:20:15.600 --> 1:20:18.600 Take down a multimillion dollar painting and you're like, fuck, do. 1:20:18.680 --> 1:20:20.479 We forget that? That's so crazy? 1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:24.480 But I wonder why they went for these like flagpole 1:20:24.680 --> 1:20:27.800 things and different stuff, but left to Michaelangelo like what 1:20:27.920 --> 1:20:32.320 the specific things and asked you, yeah, like it's it's interesting. 1:20:33.720 --> 1:20:37.599 They also cut some paintings out from the front, and 1:20:37.760 --> 1:20:41.080 Kelly Horn, a deputy editor of The Boston Globe, said 1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:44.160 that to even leave remnants of the paintings behind was 1:20:44.280 --> 1:20:46.840 savage and that in his mind, it's sort of like 1:20:46.920 --> 1:20:52.439 slashing someone's throat. I love that's the CNN style, so 1:20:53.000 --> 1:20:56.679 really effective. The theft was not discovered until the cleaning 1:20:56.680 --> 1:20:59.360 crew arrived in the morning. One of the security guards 1:20:59.400 --> 1:21:01.360 did break pro to call and open the door for 1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:05.000 the thieves. So he's always been a suspect, but nothing's 1:21:05.040 --> 1:21:07.840 ever come from the suspicions and like the like, he 1:21:07.920 --> 1:21:14.519 never got any changes in income spending, like they've tracked him. 1:21:14.880 --> 1:21:15.759 I'm just confused. 1:21:15.800 --> 1:21:17.880 He opened the door for them, and then no one 1:21:17.920 --> 1:21:20.479 found out about the theft until the next morning, Like 1:21:20.720 --> 1:21:21.519 they were tied up. 1:21:22.160 --> 1:21:23.519 Oh that's right, da da da. 1:21:23.640 --> 1:21:27.360 Yeah, so but not Also, not a single motion detector 1:21:27.439 --> 1:21:30.560 was set off, so they're like, are these people ghosts? 1:21:31.120 --> 1:21:33.880 The FBI says that eighty nine percent of museum heighs 1:21:33.960 --> 1:21:39.000 certain side jobs. No really, yeah, I mean, how like 1:21:39.920 --> 1:21:42.000 you need you need someone on the inside. 1:21:42.560 --> 1:21:45.840 Yeah, and like kind of like even if you're like 1:21:46.280 --> 1:21:48.679 making money at a museum or you're an art dealer 1:21:48.760 --> 1:21:51.200 or anything like that, it's like the amount you could 1:21:51.240 --> 1:21:54.200 make selling one of these paintings is like astronomical. I'm 1:21:54.200 --> 1:21:56.479 sure it just like tempts people to like get involved 1:21:56.520 --> 1:22:01.040 in like the black market of it, all right, yeah, yeah, 1:22:01.080 --> 1:22:02.559 that's nuts. 1:22:02.600 --> 1:22:04.840 Revenge or someone gets to you, like I just wonder 1:22:04.880 --> 1:22:09.080 if it's hot, like because the thieves have to manipulate 1:22:09.120 --> 1:22:12.160 you in some way and start a relationship with you or. 1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:15.960 Yeah, you reach out, you know. Yeah. 1:22:16.000 --> 1:22:19.280 But the director of security at the museum, Amore, he said, 1:22:19.320 --> 1:22:21.559 I'd be lying if I said it doesn't affect me. 1:22:21.720 --> 1:22:24.000 I walk by the empty frames every day. 1:22:25.040 --> 1:22:27.200 I don't get the ones that they cut out, Like 1:22:27.240 --> 1:22:29.360 you can't resell a painting that you cut out of 1:22:29.360 --> 1:22:31.120 a frame. That feels like you're just doing it to 1:22:31.160 --> 1:22:33.200 be horrible. That's what I mean. 1:22:33.439 --> 1:22:35.920 It's a lot of your behavior, Like they took some 1:22:36.000 --> 1:22:40.160 heavy frames but not others, like cut stuff out. But 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:42.320 I think it's if it's an original, it's okay. If 1:22:42.360 --> 1:22:44.040 it's cut from the sides oh. 1:22:44.120 --> 1:22:46.960 I thought maybe they were just yeah yeah in terms 1:22:46.960 --> 1:22:49.080 of like resale value, yeah, but I. 1:22:49.040 --> 1:22:51.800 Wonder who they But like does a billionaire just keep 1:22:51.840 --> 1:22:54.719 it hidden and their basement. 1:22:55.880 --> 1:22:58.720 I feel like you sell it overseas or something where 1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:00.280 they're not going to get you get like you get 1:23:00.320 --> 1:23:02.720 some fucking rich guy in Qatar to buy it, like 1:23:02.760 --> 1:23:05.280 no one's going to come looking for American stolen art 1:23:05.439 --> 1:23:08.559 in the Middle East, or like I'm just throwing that 1:23:08.680 --> 1:23:11.240 country out there, you know, like other places as well. 1:23:11.120 --> 1:23:15.000 You know, I don't know. I don't know. 1:23:15.040 --> 1:23:17.960 I just feel like or you know places where like 1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:22.280 billionaires here are such like public figures and people like 1:23:22.360 --> 1:23:24.680 know what's in their houses and they do like architectural 1:23:24.720 --> 1:23:27.240 digestors and shit like that, or you just. 1:23:27.240 --> 1:23:28.960 Would see the art billionaire. 1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:32.600 No, maybe not, but like they have parties, they have fundraisers, 1:23:32.640 --> 1:23:34.200 they have people in their homes that would see it. 1:23:34.280 --> 1:23:36.840 Like I think if you're just like if you own 1:23:36.920 --> 1:23:39.400 the police in the country where you live, maybe you're 1:23:39.439 --> 1:23:41.000 like who cares that's who you sell it to. I 1:23:41.040 --> 1:23:43.360 would imagine. I imagine that's who like is buying black 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:43.960 market stuff. 1:23:44.000 --> 1:23:46.679 I think if you have it, no matter what country 1:23:46.680 --> 1:23:48.840 are and you can't hang it up for public views 1:23:48.880 --> 1:23:49.479 or things. 1:23:49.840 --> 1:23:52.320 Yeah, so you just like have a secret bunker gallery 1:23:52.320 --> 1:23:53.760 that you go in and just like look at your 1:23:53.760 --> 1:23:55.360 rem brands and then you go back to go up 1:23:55.400 --> 1:23:56.040 back upstairs. 1:23:56.080 --> 1:23:58.800 One of the like craziest tice, Like if you are 1:23:59.160 --> 1:24:01.240 I just don't think you can let people know you. 1:24:01.640 --> 1:24:03.479 But I always have wondered that my whole life. Whenever 1:24:03.520 --> 1:24:05.960 something huge, like when the Scream got stolen, I'm like, 1:24:06.200 --> 1:24:07.080 who's taking that? 1:24:07.160 --> 1:24:09.400 Where are you putting it? Like what's the point of it? 1:24:09.520 --> 1:24:12.320 Like if you can't look at it all the time 1:24:12.360 --> 1:24:14.519 and display it, Like I don't really get. I don't know, 1:24:14.560 --> 1:24:17.760 but I guess I'm maybe it's just the power and 1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:20.000 the that you have that you have it, you own it. 1:24:20.080 --> 1:24:22.160 Yeah. 1:24:22.240 --> 1:24:22.479 Yeah. 1:24:22.520 --> 1:24:24.559 So they kept the frames up because it was important 1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:26.760 to Isabella that the art was displayed in her way, 1:24:26.880 --> 1:24:30.920 so nothing's been removed, rearranged or anything. They also believe 1:24:30.960 --> 1:24:32.680 that the paintings will come back, so they want to 1:24:32.720 --> 1:24:35.960 have the frames ready for them. The museum, Like our 1:24:36.040 --> 1:24:40.400 SVU squad got so many tips, emails, and a lot 1:24:40.479 --> 1:24:42.559 of the calls are people who thought they spotted the 1:24:42.640 --> 1:24:45.320 art during house showings are Zillow pictures, but those were 1:24:45.400 --> 1:24:48.840 clearly reproductions for staging homes versus. 1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:53.559 I think that rant is in Saint Louis, Missouri, in 1:24:53.640 --> 1:24:55.559 a house that's for sale for three hundred and. 1:24:55.560 --> 1:25:00.559 Fifty thousand dollars the museum, the FBI in the US, 1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:02.400 that's what I mean. But if these people going to 1:25:02.520 --> 1:25:05.400 house things are like, that's a stolen Rembrandt, Like, I 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:08.759 don't think you can put it up anywhere. Yeah, nobody 1:25:08.760 --> 1:25:11.320 has ever been charged, and the statue of limitations on 1:25:11.360 --> 1:25:14.080 the theft ran out in nineteen ninety five, but the 1:25:14.160 --> 1:25:17.000 FBI says it's there's still an active investigation. 1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:18.599 That's crazy. 1:25:18.640 --> 1:25:20.240 You could just go steal a piece of art and 1:25:20.280 --> 1:25:22.240 keep it hidden for five years and then the statute 1:25:22.240 --> 1:25:23.280 of limitations is gone. 1:25:24.320 --> 1:25:28.919 Yeah, weird. That's nuts, crazy, all right, that is nuts. 1:25:29.320 --> 1:25:33.479 So now I guess you can hang the paintings. Yeah, 1:25:33.720 --> 1:25:36.160 when you go to the museum, there's still a page 1:25:36.160 --> 1:25:39.160 with an active ongoing investigation, and the museum's offering ten 1:25:39.160 --> 1:25:42.519 million dollar reward for information leading to the recovery of 1:25:42.520 --> 1:25:46.640 the stolen works. Thomas Whalen, a social scientist at Boston University, 1:25:46.680 --> 1:25:49.920 say they've never had a satisfactory conclusion to it or 1:25:49.960 --> 1:25:52.800 any clue about what happened. And that's to the New 1:25:52.840 --> 1:25:56.559 York Times in twenty seventeen. No informant has ever stepped 1:25:56.560 --> 1:25:58.400 forward very Boston. 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:01.240 They say, yeah a more. 1:26:01.400 --> 1:26:04.479 The security director says that an art theft has a 1:26:04.520 --> 1:26:08.040 high rate of recovery, but typically it happens generations later, 1:26:08.120 --> 1:26:11.200 when people have died and informants feel safer about coming forward. 1:26:12.720 --> 1:26:15.160 He also is reminding people that the ten million dollar 1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:18.320 reward is not for the paintings, but for information leading 1:26:18.360 --> 1:26:23.920 to the paintings. So maybe a listener has information. 1:26:24.080 --> 1:26:28.880 Maybe you need your grandparents have some mov fucking rembrands 1:26:28.920 --> 1:26:29.639 hanging up. 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:31.400 And you would only have to give us like a 1:26:31.439 --> 1:26:34.439 half a million dollars. Yeah, just for telling you about it. 1:26:34.680 --> 1:26:35.559 Yeah, just a. 1:26:37.880 --> 1:26:40.240 He also says usually the stolen paintings stay local, so 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:42.560 if it was taken in America, it stays in America. 1:26:43.200 --> 1:26:47.400 But I think that's like ignoring you know, private planes. Yeah, 1:26:48.320 --> 1:26:50.880 I think I could do whatever I want. But the 1:26:50.960 --> 1:26:55.479 email is theft at i SGM dot org. 1:26:56.320 --> 1:26:59.680 So anybody have any tips c se us. Yeah, that 1:26:59.720 --> 1:27:01.400 would pot at gmail. 1:27:01.640 --> 1:27:04.760 That would be huge for our podcast if we were 1:27:04.800 --> 1:27:12.400 able to crack. Yes, yes, that is my goal now 1:27:12.479 --> 1:27:15.479 because it's not like we'd be harassing like humans and 1:27:15.520 --> 1:27:16.920 thinking we could do police work. 1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:21.679 You know, there's like ethical stuff with that. Yeah. 1:27:21.720 --> 1:27:23.799 Though I would love to solve a crime. Are you kidding? 1:27:24.439 --> 1:27:27.680 But this would be a fun one for us. Yeah, 1:27:28.320 --> 1:27:32.360 just everyone, Yeah, everyone would be happy. Okay, now we 1:27:32.160 --> 1:27:34.240 have we do have murder though. So this is the 1:27:34.320 --> 1:27:38.840 murders of Prince Teddy Ktkar and Princess Nineshka Ketcar another 1:27:38.920 --> 1:27:42.799 nineteen nineties crime. April nineteen ninety three, a Park Avenue 1:27:42.800 --> 1:27:45.880 couple with the titles of nobility from India and connections 1:27:45.920 --> 1:27:49.559 in Manhattan social circles were found dead in their home. 1:27:50.200 --> 1:27:53.040 They were living on Park between sixty and sixty first 1:27:53.560 --> 1:27:57.160 So Prince Ktkar of ked Angaval He was a fifty 1:27:57.200 --> 1:28:01.120 seven year old financier and industrialist and then his wife 1:28:01.920 --> 1:28:07.080 Netshka was about fifteen years his senior and was born 1:28:07.320 --> 1:28:08.520 in South America. 1:28:09.000 --> 1:28:10.840 And she was married to a shoe. 1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:13.960 Manufacturer guy named Max Hoffman for ten years and lived 1:28:14.000 --> 1:28:16.839 in this apartment with him. So she was like wealthy 1:28:16.880 --> 1:28:20.559 on her own and the neighbors called them the Prince 1:28:20.600 --> 1:28:24.520 and Princess, even though there were suspicions of their actual nobility, 1:28:24.640 --> 1:28:28.240 and like they just called him Prince Teddy. But some 1:28:28.320 --> 1:28:30.799 of his social life friends were like not really believing 1:28:31.080 --> 1:28:31.360 a lot. 1:28:31.640 --> 1:28:35.320 He was caught level of delusion. That's really fun. Yeah, 1:28:35.479 --> 1:28:38.479 that's really fun. Like I need to be called Prince Teddy. 1:28:38.520 --> 1:28:39.920 I mean, it's truly Countess Luanne. 1:28:39.960 --> 1:28:41.680 It's count that she you know she I guess she 1:28:41.720 --> 1:28:43.760 had the receipts the Suez Canal and all that. 1:28:45.560 --> 1:28:46.839 Wait, what about the canal? 1:28:47.680 --> 1:28:51.040 She's like my husband's family, they're the count and countess 1:28:51.080 --> 1:28:54.120 because like my husband is a count because his family, 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:57.360 his ancestors like founded the Suez Canal or something or 1:28:57.520 --> 1:28:59.840 conquered it or I don't know. That's but she would 1:29:00.439 --> 1:29:03.160 like people in a really condescending way in her early 1:29:03.200 --> 1:29:06.600 seasons before she truly found out who the real luandeleiseps is, 1:29:07.200 --> 1:29:12.000 which is a smoking, drinking, cabaret singing star that was 1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:13.479 beautiful but. 1:29:13.720 --> 1:29:16.400 He was so this but he was successful, well groomed, 1:29:16.840 --> 1:29:19.920 and they lived a really rich, fun lifestyle. Some say 1:29:19.920 --> 1:29:22.960 he was all talk, but whatever. So a maid arrives 1:29:22.960 --> 1:29:26.200 to clean the apartment discover the bodies and notified the doorman, 1:29:26.479 --> 1:29:29.000 which when you just call the cops, but I guess 1:29:29.120 --> 1:29:30.240 you didn't touch evidence. 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:30.680 I don't know. 1:29:31.400 --> 1:29:34.160 The husband was in a pool of blood, laing face down, 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:38.160 bleeding from a neck wound. The princess was on her 1:29:38.240 --> 1:29:41.160 back on the floor of the bedroom. She had no 1:29:41.280 --> 1:29:46.240 marks on her body, no wounds, both fully clothed, and 1:29:46.400 --> 1:29:50.360 the sixth room apartment was in disarray, no evidence of 1:29:50.439 --> 1:29:53.640 forced entry as well. At first, investigators didn't know if 1:29:53.680 --> 1:29:57.040 it was a double murder or murder suicide. But July 1:29:57.400 --> 1:30:00.519 nineteen ninety three, cops arrested two men in Reno connection 1:30:00.600 --> 1:30:02.880 with the crime and returned them back to New York 1:30:02.920 --> 1:30:05.639 to face charges of killing the couple and then two 1:30:05.680 --> 1:30:09.679 other people. So they ended up also killing two other 1:30:09.760 --> 1:30:11.800 people as well. 1:30:12.360 --> 1:30:12.719 Damn. 1:30:12.920 --> 1:30:14.519 So yeah, they killed two other people. 1:30:14.640 --> 1:30:17.240 So they were brought back for like four murders in 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:19.639 New York and they found them because they were using 1:30:19.640 --> 1:30:22.719 the victim's credit cards, which is the dumbest thing ever 1:30:22.840 --> 1:30:24.920 and kind of an easy way to track, right, Like 1:30:25.560 --> 1:30:26.520 I don't understand. 1:30:27.760 --> 1:30:32.479 Yeah, yeah, but in the nineties, like in the nineties, 1:30:32.479 --> 1:30:32.720 when you. 1:30:32.760 --> 1:30:35.680 Did your credit card, it was the thing, like it 1:30:35.760 --> 1:30:37.240 was the thing that like that did it. 1:30:37.240 --> 1:30:38.120 On carbon copy. 1:30:38.240 --> 1:30:41.240 So then by the time you like the store reports, 1:30:41.280 --> 1:30:43.800 it's like they probably had time to get away, like 1:30:43.960 --> 1:30:46.000 they'd be a couple, they could be a state away 1:30:46.040 --> 1:30:48.840 by the time they fucking got the credit company card 1:30:48.920 --> 1:30:50.960 to say it's not the right charge or whatever. 1:30:51.160 --> 1:30:51.519 Okay. 1:30:51.600 --> 1:30:53.559 So, but they were having a fun time like charging 1:30:53.560 --> 1:30:55.679 the credit cards, and then they got into a fight 1:30:55.840 --> 1:31:00.120 and George called the police. So these two guys, so 1:31:00.160 --> 1:31:02.680 one of the so it's George Cabo he's fifty six 1:31:02.800 --> 1:31:05.679 years old, and Tony Lee Simpson who's twenty one years old, 1:31:06.040 --> 1:31:10.360 and they are lovers. They're a coup ah. Okay, so 1:31:10.360 --> 1:31:13.320 they're a couple. They're having fun in Vegas. They get 1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:16.599 into a fight, George calls the police and goes Tony 1:31:16.680 --> 1:31:20.679 did everything. And as soon as they're caught, Tony's like, actually, 1:31:20.760 --> 1:31:23.680 i'll tell you everything. George did it. So they caught themselves. 1:31:24.640 --> 1:31:27.280 What the fun, Like they wouldn't have even been called, 1:31:27.320 --> 1:31:30.559 like the credit cards wore evidence, but like one called 1:31:30.600 --> 1:31:32.719 the cops because they were probably in a drunk fight. 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:34.320 And then the other was like, oh. 1:31:34.240 --> 1:31:38.200 Yeah, actually this is why you don't come at crimes 1:31:38.200 --> 1:31:40.960 with a romantic partner. You just too many emotions get 1:31:41.000 --> 1:31:42.760 in the way and one of you ends up just 1:31:42.880 --> 1:31:43.840 ratting on the other one. 1:31:44.360 --> 1:31:47.439 Yeah, so you know they killed those guys. And then 1:31:47.439 --> 1:31:49.880 the additional crimes were the murder of Eric C. Prince 1:31:49.960 --> 1:31:53.439 and Milton A. Seltzer in their West End Avenue apartment 1:31:53.520 --> 1:31:57.439 one month sooner, Oh my gosh. And the those two 1:31:57.560 --> 1:32:02.519 murders were full blown to capitations. Oh now these are 1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:06.840 sikohs Oh my god. So January twenty third, nineteen nine. 1:32:06.840 --> 1:32:09.000 I'm honest, I'm surprised that Ryan Murphy's not has not 1:32:09.040 --> 1:32:10.240 made a series about them yet. 1:32:10.479 --> 1:32:12.720 Well, there's not it's not famous enough. I don't think 1:32:12.800 --> 1:32:14.280 a may a lot of research. 1:32:14.360 --> 1:32:18.080 Like I'm May December, like gay couple going on a 1:32:18.160 --> 1:32:19.000 killing spree. 1:32:19.200 --> 1:32:21.760 That's right up his fucking alley. We got to send 1:32:21.760 --> 1:32:21.920 it to. 1:32:22.000 --> 1:32:26.200 Him because even for like I had to read the 1:32:26.200 --> 1:32:29.000 the court like report to find out their sentences. Like 1:32:29.040 --> 1:32:33.360 there wasn't even articles about it. Oh wow, Like I 1:32:33.400 --> 1:32:38.720 had to scroll through court documents. Yeah, it's like for 1:32:38.760 --> 1:32:41.920 some reason, I mean even the New York Times was 1:32:42.000 --> 1:32:44.559 like not a lot. There's just not a lot, but 1:32:44.600 --> 1:32:48.000 the decapitations and then the like wealth of this other couple, 1:32:48.840 --> 1:32:53.759 I'm shocked it wasn't a bigger deal. Yeah, but Georgia 1:32:53.760 --> 1:32:56.360 in nineteen ninety five got a hundred year prison sentence. 1:32:57.160 --> 1:32:59.360 But Cabo blamed the murders on his love. He was like, 1:32:59.400 --> 1:33:01.840 it's Tony, it's Tony. I'm afraid of Tony. I'm scared 1:33:01.840 --> 1:33:04.599 Tony would kill me. I just went along with it 1:33:04.680 --> 1:33:08.519 because Tony's a freak. So that was his kind of 1:33:08.680 --> 1:33:12.280 point of view. But a jury did find everyone guilty 1:33:12.640 --> 1:33:15.160 and they it was strangling the couple with a belt. 1:33:15.640 --> 1:33:17.479 But even with that, I don't know how there wouldn't 1:33:17.479 --> 1:33:20.400 be a mark. There were no marks on our body, 1:33:20.479 --> 1:33:24.600 but I feel like a strange You don't think the 1:33:24.600 --> 1:33:28.360 pressure would bruise at all, Like yeah, probably, or you 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:30.800 don't bruise after death. Like I'm just I just don't 1:33:30.800 --> 1:33:33.320 know how there's no marks. I there'll be no marking 1:33:33.360 --> 1:33:39.160 with full strangulation. Yeah, that's crazy, confusing. They were tried separately, 1:33:39.320 --> 1:33:43.040 and then in November nineteen eighty five, Simpson was convicted 1:33:43.080 --> 1:33:46.160 of the murder as well and robbery of all four victims, 1:33:46.200 --> 1:33:48.599 including four counts of second degree murder and got two 1:33:48.680 --> 1:33:52.520 consecutive terms of twenty five years to life to run concurrently, 1:33:52.640 --> 1:33:55.639 and for robbery was sent to twelve and a half 1:33:55.680 --> 1:34:01.120 to twenty five years to run concurrently with the murder counts. 1:34:01.640 --> 1:34:05.639 So yeah, two of those consecutively. For the murders, that's 1:34:05.680 --> 1:34:08.760 fifty years, and then the robbery is concurrent, which I 1:34:08.760 --> 1:34:11.559 guess I'm okay with. But I don't know why Cabo 1:34:11.600 --> 1:34:15.280 would have gotten a hundred years and this guy only fifty. 1:34:15.479 --> 1:34:17.479 There must have been some evidence that he was really 1:34:17.479 --> 1:34:20.760 the doer, like they're like right, there had to have 1:34:20.800 --> 1:34:23.519 been some evidence, like maybe his height or something about him, 1:34:23.520 --> 1:34:24.880 that he was the doer and that the other guy 1:34:24.960 --> 1:34:27.240 was just kind of like accessory and was like involved 1:34:27.280 --> 1:34:29.679 and helped with all of it. But like, yeah, because 1:34:29.720 --> 1:34:31.240 that doesn't make any sense to me. The only difference 1:34:31.240 --> 1:34:33.559 between them is their age, Like Cabo is the older ones. 1:34:33.680 --> 1:34:36.519 Maybe they thought he was the mastermind. I have no idea, but. 1:34:38.000 --> 1:34:42.080 I'm wondering if Simpson is eligible for parole because it's 1:34:42.080 --> 1:34:43.360 been you know, I've been looking. 1:34:43.439 --> 1:34:45.040 I couldn't find this, what I mean, like, I wasn't 1:34:45.080 --> 1:34:46.479 able to really find anything. 1:34:46.960 --> 1:34:50.200 Oh crazy, all right, but wow, but I don't know 1:34:50.200 --> 1:34:53.439 if it's because the name is also a hard name. 1:34:53.760 --> 1:34:58.800 Yeah, Tony Lee Simpson, it's not. Yeah, maybe it's Anthony. 1:35:00.200 --> 1:35:01.559 I don't know. Wow. 1:35:02.000 --> 1:35:05.240 These are kind of juicy, both of these crimes. Thank 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:08.479 you for giving us all the research because I did 1:35:08.560 --> 1:35:10.240 not really know about either of these at all. 1:35:11.520 --> 1:35:14.640 No, but they are, especially the museum one with that 1:35:14.680 --> 1:35:16.799 many millions, Like, that's pretty crazy. 1:35:17.120 --> 1:35:19.360 It's also crazy that thirty five years have gone by, 1:35:19.720 --> 1:35:23.599 or twenty five years, thirty years or so. Yeah, five 1:35:24.040 --> 1:35:26.400 thirty five years have gone by, and like no one 1:35:26.439 --> 1:35:30.360 wants the reward, no one's stepping forward, Like it's kind of. 1:35:30.320 --> 1:35:32.719 Not well and hopeful. I wonder if we'll be alive 1:35:32.760 --> 1:35:34.080 when the paintings are found. 1:35:34.439 --> 1:35:39.639 Yeah, yeah, all right, Well we've got a great guest, 1:35:39.920 --> 1:35:51.000 so don't go anywhere. Oh my gosh, you guys today. 1:35:51.160 --> 1:35:54.120 Our guest is a truly beloved film and television actor. 1:35:54.160 --> 1:35:57.639 You may know him from shows like Vikings, Sons of Anarchy, Gotham, 1:35:57.760 --> 1:36:02.280 Grounded for Life, movies like Jared Guire Blade Zodiac, but 1:36:02.400 --> 1:36:05.160 you know him and you love him as the man 1:36:05.320 --> 1:36:09.519 trying to win an oscar for his undercover performances. Declan Murphy, 1:36:09.600 --> 1:36:14.080 Lieutenant Declan Murphy, please enjoy our chat with the amazing 1:36:14.280 --> 1:36:14.880 Donald Log. 1:36:15.840 --> 1:36:21.200 There's been no one that does so many undercover characters 1:36:21.439 --> 1:36:23.720 as Declan Murphy. 1:36:23.960 --> 1:36:24.800 But back to back. 1:36:24.840 --> 1:36:27.719 It's like he's a pedophile in the cell. He's speaking 1:36:27.720 --> 1:36:30.040 an accent here. I mean, you got to like do 1:36:30.240 --> 1:36:33.720 so many different characters in such a short amount of time. 1:36:34.160 --> 1:36:38.240 That was just Warren. Warren like like he knew he 1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:41.160 knew that. I like that he wanted to try that. 1:36:41.600 --> 1:36:44.120 So yeah too. It was so fun. 1:36:44.520 --> 1:36:48.240 Now when we meet you in The Gambler's Fallacy, did 1:36:48.320 --> 1:36:50.120 you know there was going to be an arc that 1:36:50.160 --> 1:36:51.920 you were going to be back or was this like a. 1:36:51.880 --> 1:36:52.840 One way Yeah. 1:36:52.479 --> 1:36:56.719 The breakdown of it was, I'd come back from doing 1:36:56.880 --> 1:36:59.639 Vikings and I had a meeting with this amazing guy 1:36:59.720 --> 1:37:04.960 named renou Heller who created Rome and the Mentalist, and 1:37:05.040 --> 1:37:08.960 he was doing this show called Gotham, and so I 1:37:09.000 --> 1:37:11.080 had a meeting with him and they were like, we're 1:37:11.120 --> 1:37:13.599 just starting to set the cast. We'd like to start, 1:37:14.160 --> 1:37:16.719 you know, we'd like to make this character the first 1:37:16.720 --> 1:37:20.439 one we start with. Would you be interested in doing it? 1:37:20.520 --> 1:37:24.599 And I said yeah, And then A few days later, 1:37:25.439 --> 1:37:27.240 I went up to Oregon and I got a call 1:37:27.320 --> 1:37:31.000 from Warren Light and Warren said, you know, I've always 1:37:31.040 --> 1:37:36.360 wanted to work with you, and you know we're we 1:37:36.439 --> 1:37:40.720 want to have a new captain on SBU, and the 1:37:40.800 --> 1:37:44.320 idea was for him to come in and be the 1:37:44.400 --> 1:37:47.519 captain for as long as so whatever Dan was playing 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:50.800 before him, so it was completely open ended. And then 1:37:50.840 --> 1:37:53.559 I said, man, oh dude, I'd love to because it 1:37:53.600 --> 1:37:58.280 was a dream come true, but I have already contractually 1:37:58.320 --> 1:38:02.040 agreed to do this other thing. And so Warren said, well, 1:38:02.080 --> 1:38:06.160 let's why don't you do the pilot for GOTAM and 1:38:06.439 --> 1:38:10.679 just pum into the show and then do episodes between 1:38:10.720 --> 1:38:13.120 the pilot and if it gets picked up. And I 1:38:13.160 --> 1:38:15.840 had a feeling Got Them would get picked up, so 1:38:16.080 --> 1:38:19.480 I didn't think it was that much of a possibility, 1:38:19.520 --> 1:38:22.400 but it was. It was. I mean, I love Got Them, 1:38:22.439 --> 1:38:24.360 I love the people on it, but Law and Order 1:38:24.560 --> 1:38:31.519 SVU was another level of joy and job, and for 1:38:31.640 --> 1:38:35.320 many obvious reasons, and then for a lot of other 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:40.320 personal and human reasons, like that job was like the greatest, 1:38:40.680 --> 1:38:44.080 honestly was I think it was the most thrilling thing 1:38:44.160 --> 1:38:46.400 I'd been part of we love. 1:38:46.280 --> 1:38:49.080 To hear this, We love that you've done. 1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:51.720 I mean it was it was exciting. Yeah, like and 1:38:51.800 --> 1:38:54.320 I have I have love for all of them. They're 1:38:54.320 --> 1:38:56.760 like you're like children, you know, you're like you love 1:38:57.400 --> 1:39:00.880 And there were there was terrier, there were the really 1:39:00.920 --> 1:39:04.800 amazing jobs that were kind of heartbreakers and should have 1:39:04.960 --> 1:39:10.120 or could have and then but Law and Order SVU 1:39:10.360 --> 1:39:14.679 was something something so different and it was interesting even 1:39:14.760 --> 1:39:18.439 talking to business like people in the industry about it, 1:39:18.479 --> 1:39:22.440 because there's a there's something about sometimes in the industry, 1:39:22.760 --> 1:39:26.880 people get distracted by the size of the you know, 1:39:26.960 --> 1:39:30.040 the glittering marketing of a tool that's like something new 1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:33.360 or and it's it's like, man, I don't know why 1:39:33.400 --> 1:39:35.519 they don't think about this in the same way. But 1:39:35.920 --> 1:39:40.360 like Law and Order SVU is like a worldwide and 1:39:40.400 --> 1:39:43.559 I'm not going to say religion in a way that 1:39:44.640 --> 1:39:49.000 dismisses one or the other. It's just people finds such 1:39:49.080 --> 1:39:54.000 deep comfort in it. And not just because it's ripped 1:39:54.000 --> 1:39:56.599 from the headlines and it's something that's on ten times 1:39:56.600 --> 1:39:59.720 a day, but because it speaks to people who have 1:39:59.800 --> 1:40:03.599 all been through you know, some level or some form 1:40:03.680 --> 1:40:06.320 of trauma. In their lives. It gives voice to people. 1:40:06.400 --> 1:40:12.000 It has such a deep spiritual importance. And for some reason, 1:40:13.080 --> 1:40:17.599 Marishka and Kelly and Danny and Ice and and everybody 1:40:17.880 --> 1:40:21.519 just welcomed me like like I had been there the 1:40:21.560 --> 1:40:28.280 whole time. But Marishka's it's it's phenomenal because first of all, 1:40:28.320 --> 1:40:31.160 she's the best what they so they have this saying 1:40:31.200 --> 1:40:33.800 of number one on the call sheet and it's and 1:40:33.840 --> 1:40:39.519 it's critical, right because it's a lot of the what 1:40:39.680 --> 1:40:42.519 the atmosphere and the culture and the health and the joy, 1:40:42.600 --> 1:40:45.920 and you know, it kind of starts on top and 1:40:46.000 --> 1:40:50.000 it comes down and there's a responsibility on the shoulders 1:40:50.000 --> 1:40:53.439 of number ones like Michael Chiklis and the Shield and 1:40:53.560 --> 1:40:56.479 just these people I've worked with and really loved. But 1:40:56.640 --> 1:41:01.519 you know, Marishka is like the greatest Number one Mama 1:41:01.560 --> 1:41:06.120 bear ever in this and whether even if Long Order 1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:09.759 SCU hadn't become the longest running show of all time, 1:41:09.880 --> 1:41:12.760 and et cetera, et cetera, she's just like a next 1:41:12.880 --> 1:41:16.880 level human being. And obviously when you've seen it in 1:41:16.880 --> 1:41:20.479 that world, even in SCU where people uh, and I 1:41:20.520 --> 1:41:25.599 don't understand it necessarily with actors, but you have years 1:41:25.640 --> 1:41:31.200 on something and somehow you want there's there's a You're like, 1:41:31.280 --> 1:41:33.559 there might be a greener pasture out there, and I 1:41:33.600 --> 1:41:38.120 want to check it out and explore. And she she 1:41:38.320 --> 1:41:42.639 never left, and she also knew that when you're number 1:41:42.680 --> 1:41:46.120 one on the call sheet, like I had a not 1:41:46.520 --> 1:41:48.920 I think I had an opportunity with Grounded for Life 1:41:49.000 --> 1:41:50.760 when it is Sick Home, I did when it was. 1:41:50.920 --> 1:41:52.280 I watched that in high school. 1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:56.519 That was one of my shows, and it made this 1:41:56.640 --> 1:42:00.000 really weird move from Box to the WB And there 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:02.439 there was a whole contractual thing where you can kind 1:42:02.439 --> 1:42:04.360 of you can get if you want, and you know 1:42:05.640 --> 1:42:08.840 that there are like two hundred people and families that 1:42:09.680 --> 1:42:13.559 are supported by the fact whether this ship is floating 1:42:13.680 --> 1:42:17.840 or not. Yeah, And there's a responsibility to the crew, 1:42:17.880 --> 1:42:20.800 and there's a responsibility to your bosses. And if you're 1:42:20.840 --> 1:42:24.479 on something that's it's like the Discovery Channel like in 1:42:24.520 --> 1:42:28.120 the old days, it's like babyca Turtles. There's so many 1:42:28.160 --> 1:42:30.400 scripts and then there are so many pilots, and then 1:42:30.439 --> 1:42:32.400 there are only so many that get made, and then 1:42:32.400 --> 1:42:34.879 there are only so many to get picked up to series, 1:42:35.120 --> 1:42:38.040 and then there's only this tiny percentage that go beyond 1:42:38.080 --> 1:42:41.200 those first one or two seasons. And so if you're 1:42:41.240 --> 1:42:46.320 on a situation like that, imperative to stick with it 1:42:46.439 --> 1:42:50.639 until it finds its natural conclusion whenever that might be well. 1:42:50.640 --> 1:42:55.320 We've also heard that they shoot like rain, shine, snow, whatever, 1:42:55.520 --> 1:42:57.760 like they're doing it outside no matter what. 1:42:58.240 --> 1:42:59.960 And you shoot in New York all the time. Other 1:43:00.160 --> 1:43:01.120 show is not like that. 1:43:01.720 --> 1:43:07.200 No, they're all like that. It's honestly, it's honestly, like 1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:12.519 can get tricky because I I know on Gotham, you know, 1:43:12.560 --> 1:43:15.760 because Gotham had this vibe of being at night, and 1:43:16.880 --> 1:43:19.080 so there was a lot where it was like on 1:43:19.120 --> 1:43:24.559 a bridge in February in its minus twenty five, and 1:43:25.520 --> 1:43:29.240 there's there's a physical element to it. Because I never 1:43:29.360 --> 1:43:31.759 I got sick on Gotham, but I never missed work. 1:43:31.800 --> 1:43:34.360 But there are things where you're like inevitably you get 1:43:34.400 --> 1:43:39.160 pneumonia and stuff, but you can't stop. And so for 1:43:39.280 --> 1:43:43.840 the film production crews in the world who bikings all 1:43:43.880 --> 1:43:48.600 these it's you know, they're in the ocean, it's freezing outside. 1:43:49.080 --> 1:43:52.120 If it's a really cold night for you somewhere in 1:43:52.160 --> 1:43:55.320 Minneapolis or New York to walk from your apartment building 1:43:55.360 --> 1:43:57.960 to old foods or whatever it is. That's what they're 1:43:58.000 --> 1:44:03.240 doing for fourteen or fifteen hours, you know, and with 1:44:03.280 --> 1:44:09.839 a smile and with camaraderie. And yeah, like television crews 1:44:10.000 --> 1:44:14.960 are American television, and I say this about Canada and 1:44:15.000 --> 1:44:17.919 Ireland too. It's kind of like we're like a circus 1:44:18.160 --> 1:44:24.200 people worldwide. But they're so hard working and I'm always 1:44:24.320 --> 1:44:28.439 I'm never not amazed by just the positivity and the 1:44:28.560 --> 1:44:31.920 spree decors and all that kind of stuff. So and yeah, 1:44:31.960 --> 1:44:36.439 that's you know, yeah, I can't imagine anything. Yeah, there's 1:44:36.479 --> 1:44:40.920 nothing that would stop Rainhill, snow sleep whatever. It's not 1:44:40.960 --> 1:44:45.400 going to stop. Like, and what people don't necessarily understand 1:44:46.280 --> 1:44:48.519 is when you have this widget, so you have twenty 1:44:48.520 --> 1:44:51.200 two or twenty four episodes of television that you have 1:44:51.280 --> 1:44:55.920 to deliver, and they have to show on whatever night 1:44:55.960 --> 1:44:59.120 they air at nine o'clock or whatever. So you start 1:44:59.160 --> 1:45:02.320 the season in the summer and you have some months 1:45:02.320 --> 1:45:05.240 of head start because it takes it almost takes two 1:45:05.240 --> 1:45:10.599 weeks to shoot one episode, and so you're making all 1:45:10.640 --> 1:45:13.000 these episodes and trying to bank them and when they 1:45:13.040 --> 1:45:16.160 start coming out in September or where whatever, it is. 1:45:16.600 --> 1:45:21.040 It's the timeline start getting closer, and so you have 1:45:21.120 --> 1:45:24.120 to deliver it for post production this and that, and 1:45:24.160 --> 1:45:27.000 it's a race and you cannot stop that. And I've 1:45:28.320 --> 1:45:31.320 I don't know, I think little I'm trying to think. 1:45:31.360 --> 1:45:35.240 I think in all of my thirty six years, the 1:45:35.280 --> 1:45:40.000 only thing I remember shutting down for production was a 1:45:40.040 --> 1:45:42.599 few days on Little Women because when on the writer 1:45:42.920 --> 1:45:44.000 was really sick or something. 1:45:44.040 --> 1:45:46.479 But that's it. Oh my gosh. 1:45:46.800 --> 1:45:49.920 You know, I've never personally, I've never missed five minutes 1:45:50.600 --> 1:45:54.120 of work in thirty six years, never never called in sick, 1:45:54.200 --> 1:45:57.559 pro bones whatever it was. Wow, but that's what. That's what. 1:45:57.840 --> 1:46:01.360 Where'd your break a bone? The vikings on Terriers? 1:46:01.400 --> 1:46:05.479 I broke my shoulder, and on this slow budge indie 1:46:05.479 --> 1:46:09.519 movie I broke my ankle. Oh, but it was Terriers 1:46:09.600 --> 1:46:12.519 was weird because it was the last day of the 1:46:12.560 --> 1:46:16.479 second episode and I just snapped this bone toward my 1:46:16.560 --> 1:46:20.000 laborm and snapped this bone. It's called And then I 1:46:20.080 --> 1:46:24.920 knew I was super screwed, and we were all super 1:46:24.920 --> 1:46:27.559 screwed because I had to be in every scene. And 1:46:27.600 --> 1:46:31.840 then I was like, now let's just keep going. There's 1:46:31.880 --> 1:46:34.120 no shutting down, and it would have been horrible to 1:46:34.160 --> 1:46:37.040 shut down for me because it was such a great opportunity. 1:46:37.120 --> 1:46:40.320 But yeah, and I get more mad about getting hurt, 1:46:40.920 --> 1:46:45.679 not because it hurts, but because you're like, I'm scared 1:46:45.760 --> 1:46:47.679 of shutting down the god of production. 1:46:48.439 --> 1:46:51.120 Can I ask you a question about Gambler's Fallacy? And 1:46:50.720 --> 1:46:53.760 this is so funny because sometimes I think that you're 1:46:53.800 --> 1:46:57.880 an Irish actor because you are. You do add Irish accent, 1:46:57.920 --> 1:47:02.120 and I actually you came into my consciousness directly, even 1:47:02.160 --> 1:47:03.559 though I'm sure I've seen you in a million other 1:47:03.600 --> 1:47:06.519 things through Sons of Anarchy, and in my mind you 1:47:06.560 --> 1:47:08.879 were one of these Irish guys on Sons of Anarchy, 1:47:08.880 --> 1:47:10.880 but you weren't in Sons of Anarchy. I was just 1:47:10.960 --> 1:47:14.960 completely conflating other characters that you've done. So when you 1:47:15.000 --> 1:47:17.479 were doing Gambler's Fallacy and they were like, okay, you're 1:47:17.520 --> 1:47:20.080 going to be undercover as Declan Murphy instead of or 1:47:20.200 --> 1:47:22.600 as Declan O'Rourke instead of Decla Murphy, were you like, 1:47:22.640 --> 1:47:24.080 do you guys want me to do an Irish accent? 1:47:24.160 --> 1:47:26.200 Or was that always part of it? It was always 1:47:26.280 --> 1:47:30.400 part of it, okay, And it's really hard and in fact, 1:47:30.720 --> 1:47:34.320 there was a show I did called Sisters with Sarah 1:47:34.320 --> 1:47:38.080 Goldberg who is from Barry and this woman Susan Stanley 1:47:38.120 --> 1:47:42.439 from Ireland, and we did season one in Ireland and 1:47:42.479 --> 1:47:45.800 I played their Irish dad, And now season two's going 1:47:45.840 --> 1:47:50.040 down and I have to say, my parents are Irish, yeah, 1:47:50.040 --> 1:47:54.440 and they're from a very specific corner of Ireland. 1:47:54.760 --> 1:47:59.759 And the accents are so difficult that one I vaguely 1:47:59.840 --> 1:48:03.920 know because it's my parents' accent and my uncles and 1:48:03.960 --> 1:48:06.800 my cousins, and like, if someone said you have to 1:48:06.800 --> 1:48:11.040 do a Dublin accent, I couldn't. I absolutely couldn't. Or 1:48:11.200 --> 1:48:15.240 Northern Irish or Cork or there are so many specific 1:48:15.320 --> 1:48:17.920 accents and so I had to bring it to a 1:48:18.000 --> 1:48:21.400 part of the country where I vaguely but it's still 1:48:22.280 --> 1:48:23.120 it's so hard. 1:48:23.520 --> 1:48:28.040 Also, I wanted so Dan Florik was our first cast 1:48:28.080 --> 1:48:31.559 member guest so thrilling, but he said, being the captain 1:48:31.680 --> 1:48:37.240 feels like you are a traffic guard, like a crossing guard, 1:48:37.240 --> 1:48:39.960 because he's like, you're just always bossing everyone where to go. 1:48:40.360 --> 1:48:41.960 I feel like you had more. But did you ever 1:48:41.960 --> 1:48:42.519 feel that way? 1:48:43.520 --> 1:48:46.439 No, because I never inhabited that role and I wasn't 1:48:46.439 --> 1:48:48.879 there long enough for it, And then we had these special, 1:48:48.960 --> 1:48:53.960 weird episodes that kind of existed outside of what probably 1:48:54.000 --> 1:48:57.120 would have felt that way if if I had stuck around. 1:48:57.200 --> 1:49:03.160 But I do feel that there was something. By season fifteen, 1:49:04.320 --> 1:49:08.439 it seemed like there was legitimate concern about whether they 1:49:08.439 --> 1:49:13.200 were coming back. And this was some years before they 1:49:14.040 --> 1:49:17.160 This was some years before well Maloney you know. 1:49:17.880 --> 1:49:20.800 Was Yeah, it was like a big shakeup, So that 1:49:20.840 --> 1:49:21.200 makes sense. 1:49:21.240 --> 1:49:23.679 But that was this was seven, when Wind. 1:49:25.160 --> 1:49:30.000 Twelve after twelve, so then fourteen fifteen, Yeah, it was 1:49:30.160 --> 1:49:30.519 just like. 1:49:30.520 --> 1:49:33.679 This thing that happens where it's just political and it's 1:49:33.720 --> 1:49:37.800 weird and it's television. And there was something about that 1:49:38.320 --> 1:49:43.160 season fifteen that there was like some gas on the fire. 1:49:43.280 --> 1:49:48.200 There was something special about that run in when I 1:49:48.320 --> 1:49:51.160 was when I happened to be around SVU, I felt 1:49:51.160 --> 1:49:53.280 like it was crackling and. 1:49:54.200 --> 1:49:58.639 Well you Rolins being a bad girl, you know, there 1:49:58.720 --> 1:50:02.000 was there's like a lot of term within the department. 1:50:02.520 --> 1:50:04.599 And I will say, you know, I've worked with a 1:50:04.600 --> 1:50:07.920 ton of amazing people, but there are times where I'm 1:50:07.920 --> 1:50:11.479 in the middle of a scene and I can think 1:50:11.520 --> 1:50:14.280 of times I can think of a time with Vincentinoprio 1:50:14.320 --> 1:50:16.920 and this thing called Steal this movie. I can think 1:50:16.960 --> 1:50:19.559 of different times in the middle of a scene with someone, 1:50:20.040 --> 1:50:25.160 and one was with Kelly and where I was like, 1:50:25.479 --> 1:50:29.000 I'm so glad this person has chosen to do what 1:50:29.080 --> 1:50:32.040 they are doing with their life for a living because 1:50:32.080 --> 1:50:35.839 she's so good. There was a scene in Gambler's Fallacy 1:50:35.920 --> 1:50:43.120 where the pregnant girlfriend of the Gallery Money Blounderer we 1:50:43.160 --> 1:50:47.400 were in the office behind the casino or whatever it was, 1:50:47.439 --> 1:50:53.280 and Kelly just cleared her desk off just was like, yeah, 1:50:53.760 --> 1:50:55.800 I don't know if it was scripted or not, and 1:50:55.840 --> 1:51:00.720 I'm like this, this woman throws down so hard and 1:51:00.800 --> 1:51:05.599 she's so easy to do things with. And I don't 1:51:05.600 --> 1:51:08.040 know if I did a good job in Gambler's Fallacy 1:51:08.160 --> 1:51:11.080 or not, but I know from being in it that 1:51:11.160 --> 1:51:14.600 I was like, that's like the coolest episode of television 1:51:14.640 --> 1:51:16.760 I ever got to be around. And then I got 1:51:16.760 --> 1:51:19.559 to meet these people, and then there was this arc 1:51:19.680 --> 1:51:22.000 to it where in the read through, I remember when 1:51:22.360 --> 1:51:26.840 he reveals he's NYPD Declan Murphy and he's been undercover 1:51:27.240 --> 1:51:29.599 and like, i'ms throws his script down and he's like 1:51:29.720 --> 1:51:34.920 fucking everybody's like, God, what this is like they didn't 1:51:34.920 --> 1:51:35.840 know what's coming. 1:51:36.280 --> 1:51:39.080 I love it, and as a viewer, were relieved that 1:51:39.200 --> 1:51:41.679 Rollins didn't have to like go down on this guy. 1:51:41.800 --> 1:51:46.200 We're like, right, and I tell people like that pushed 1:51:46.200 --> 1:51:49.479 this long orders for you land so far because when 1:51:49.479 --> 1:51:53.280 he's pressing record on me, you know, and it's like 1:51:53.320 --> 1:51:56.760 you assume that it went this dark and then it 1:51:56.800 --> 1:51:59.360 worked and then for him to go look and it 1:51:59.439 --> 1:52:01.839 was so great because he can come in and say 1:52:02.080 --> 1:52:05.479 she helped, she helped stop this, She helped. Yeah, but 1:52:05.960 --> 1:52:09.080 just as someone who killed cops. And the guy's like, well, 1:52:09.520 --> 1:52:12.479 I'm gonna have to go to eighth floor with this, 1:52:12.600 --> 1:52:15.160 and I'm like, I'm gonna go to the eleventh floor, right, 1:52:16.640 --> 1:52:18.599 And then he gets to kind of walk off into 1:52:18.640 --> 1:52:22.640 the sunset at the end of the episode, and it's like, who. 1:52:22.479 --> 1:52:24.599 Is totally how was this? 1:52:24.680 --> 1:52:27.240 He's like talking about himself in third person, He's like, 1:52:27.280 --> 1:52:34.040 defly Murphy believes in redemption. Wait, but speaking of being 1:52:34.120 --> 1:52:36.920 amazing at what they do, I really really need to 1:52:36.960 --> 1:52:37.479 ask you. 1:52:38.280 --> 1:52:40.080 We got to ask you about the scene. 1:52:40.320 --> 1:52:42.400 We just covered this episode a few weeks ago on 1:52:42.439 --> 1:52:45.960 the podcast Thought Criminal, where you are in the cell 1:52:46.240 --> 1:52:49.240 with Kevin from the office. I believe the actor's name 1:52:49.280 --> 1:52:52.960 is Brian Bryan, but yeah, brought baumb gardener something and 1:52:53.080 --> 1:52:57.600 you just pissed yourself. You're undercover as another pedophile and 1:52:57.640 --> 1:52:59.000 then you piss yourself. 1:53:00.000 --> 1:53:01.000 You are like the. 1:53:00.800 --> 1:53:05.080 Oscar winning undercover cop of the NYPD, because that's. 1:53:04.960 --> 1:53:06.920 What I was mentioning, because at that episode two you 1:53:06.920 --> 1:53:11.559 were a high end photography enthusiast pedophile. Then you're this 1:53:11.760 --> 1:53:15.519 like piss your pants like every socioeconomic pedophile you can get, 1:53:15.880 --> 1:53:17.960 and then you were an Irish Knitz sweater. 1:53:18.520 --> 1:53:22.360 Oh lonely guy, Yeah, lonely guy. 1:53:22.400 --> 1:53:25.280 On Vaca, I went, I was just back in Ireland 1:53:25.320 --> 1:53:28.760 and we still have a house in kemmy Kerry, and 1:53:29.600 --> 1:53:32.040 I was in this kind of quills, you know, Aaron 1:53:32.120 --> 1:53:34.559 sweater shop, and the women were like law and order, 1:53:35.479 --> 1:53:38.400 law and order, lawn order. And then they said everyone 1:53:38.439 --> 1:53:41.360 in Ireland was so bummed out about like he's wearing 1:53:41.400 --> 1:53:47.560 the big Irish knit sweater. And I'm like, I understand, 1:53:49.040 --> 1:53:51.439 but I will say the craziest thing and it's not 1:53:52.640 --> 1:53:57.840 it's it happened yesterday. I'm in Boston now for a 1:53:57.880 --> 1:54:02.160 few weeks. But the street love and had I stayed 1:54:02.200 --> 1:54:06.800 on SVU, obviously it would be more cemented. But the 1:54:06.880 --> 1:54:11.240 street love you get for being in sbu Land is 1:54:12.240 --> 1:54:14.840 so and it's things that and I don't mean they're 1:54:14.880 --> 1:54:17.600 super smart agents and managers and all that stuff, but 1:54:17.680 --> 1:54:21.400 they don't understand that there were so many jobs I got, 1:54:21.439 --> 1:54:23.880 even in the last few years where they were like, well, 1:54:23.920 --> 1:54:26.439 I'm glad I made that magic phone call to that 1:54:26.600 --> 1:54:29.040 producer or whatever, and I'm like, I know how I 1:54:29.080 --> 1:54:33.640 got it. They saw Gambler's Fallacy on TV at two 1:54:33.640 --> 1:54:36.000 in the morning and they were like, oh my god, 1:54:36.080 --> 1:54:41.560 that fucking It's like how much how many people watch it? 1:54:41.600 --> 1:54:44.640 How much dust it kicks up? And especially in New 1:54:44.720 --> 1:54:46.880 York where you're walking down the street and someone gets 1:54:46.920 --> 1:54:51.280 the brakes and they're like, my man, Murphy. It feels 1:54:51.360 --> 1:54:54.240 so like the law and Order. It feels so part 1:54:54.280 --> 1:54:57.440 of the fabric because it's coming into people's homes. Like 1:54:57.600 --> 1:55:00.040 why TV is so direct and not regarding I And 1:55:00.280 --> 1:55:03.400 now that's how we watched films do But you know, 1:55:03.480 --> 1:55:05.840 it's like you're in people's homes with them and they 1:55:05.840 --> 1:55:07.800 have this emotional connection. 1:55:08.080 --> 1:55:10.280 What are you doing in Boston right now, Donald, what 1:55:10.320 --> 1:55:12.080 are you? Are you on a project? 1:55:12.280 --> 1:55:15.080 Oh yeah, it's my girlfriend just moved into this apartment 1:55:15.120 --> 1:55:15.800 in Cambridge. 1:55:16.280 --> 1:55:18.160 Oh so you're not You're not on a project there 1:55:18.240 --> 1:55:20.520 right now, You're just visiting, Okay. 1:55:20.600 --> 1:55:23.040 I always, I always felt like I was more of 1:55:23.080 --> 1:55:25.920 a Boston person than a New York person. And I 1:55:26.080 --> 1:55:29.320 really I did time here. I did years here when 1:55:29.320 --> 1:55:32.480 I was a little kid in college, and then I 1:55:32.560 --> 1:55:36.480 did my years in New York. But Boston is Boston's 1:55:36.520 --> 1:55:37.560 produced spectacular. 1:55:37.720 --> 1:55:39.080 Well, the big Irish community. 1:55:39.120 --> 1:55:42.600 Maybe you felt like the Irish love in Boston. 1:55:43.000 --> 1:55:45.840 I felt the Irish love. I felt the Irish awkwardness 1:55:45.840 --> 1:55:50.200 in Boston because my parents we came here when I'm 1:55:50.240 --> 1:55:53.840 in nineteen in the in the late sixties, and they 1:55:53.840 --> 1:55:56.680 were Irish immigrants, like a lot of Irish immigrants do. 1:55:56.880 --> 1:56:01.160 But there was a huge community here where where people 1:56:01.240 --> 1:56:04.840 are very Irish American. But it's like a hunt that 1:56:05.680 --> 1:56:09.560 it's one hundred and fifty years removed from when ancestors 1:56:09.600 --> 1:56:13.080 came over, and it's that weird. It's a different Irish 1:56:13.120 --> 1:56:17.080 American is a different thing. I am very Irish American, 1:56:17.120 --> 1:56:21.640 but I'm not Irish like it's a it's a strange Yeah, 1:56:21.680 --> 1:56:25.839 it's a strange culture. But here's here's a huge segue 1:56:25.960 --> 1:56:28.879 that makes no sense. But so one of my closest 1:56:28.880 --> 1:56:32.720 friends on Planet Earth, my brother till I die, is 1:56:33.240 --> 1:56:39.240 Robert Burke. And so when Robert Burke at the end 1:56:39.320 --> 1:56:42.000 of it was it season fifteen or sixteen where he. 1:56:42.720 --> 1:56:43.480 Robert John Burke. 1:56:43.920 --> 1:56:47.320 Oh, Robert John Burke. We love him. He did our podcasts. 1:56:47.520 --> 1:56:48.320 We love him. 1:56:48.720 --> 1:56:49.800 We talked to him for a while. 1:56:49.880 --> 1:56:55.120 We do want to go to Fire Island and the. 1:56:54.560 --> 1:56:56.480 House is phenomenal, and he's the. 1:56:56.720 --> 1:56:59.960 Oh my god, he's. 1:56:59.200 --> 1:57:03.080 My blood, he's my brother brother. And we met and like. 1:57:03.040 --> 1:57:06.080 The listeners are gonna wait, and one of you has 1:57:06.120 --> 1:57:08.080 a character that was in love with Robins, and the 1:57:08.120 --> 1:57:10.240 other one has a character that was in love with Benson, 1:57:10.400 --> 1:57:12.000 and they're like sisters on the show. 1:57:12.080 --> 1:57:12.760 This is all coming. 1:57:12.920 --> 1:57:15.600 We also met in n like we met in nineteen 1:57:15.680 --> 1:57:18.880 ninety two. We were gonna go do We worked on 1:57:18.920 --> 1:57:21.800 this Oliver Stone movie called Heaven and Earth in Thailand, 1:57:22.440 --> 1:57:24.760 and I thought he was like the coolest dude of 1:57:24.800 --> 1:57:28.240 all time. And he's older than me and his parents 1:57:28.240 --> 1:57:33.440 are from Ireland like mine. And he's just the greatest. 1:57:33.480 --> 1:57:38.480 He's so smart, he's so kind, he's he's like a badass, 1:57:38.560 --> 1:57:41.520 he's all you know, he's one of those dudes who 1:57:42.520 --> 1:57:45.840 it's so weird, Like he's the only person I know 1:57:45.920 --> 1:57:51.600 where people are really competitive about other guys will be like, uh, yeah, 1:57:51.680 --> 1:57:54.120 Bobby Burke and I'll be like, he's one of my 1:57:54.160 --> 1:57:57.360 best friends, and they'll go, no, Bobby Burke is my 1:57:57.520 --> 1:57:58.240 best friend. 1:57:59.080 --> 1:57:59.800 I don't know. 1:58:00.080 --> 1:58:02.320 And I'm like, Robert, why the fuck are people so 1:58:02.520 --> 1:58:07.120 competitive with you about your male friendships? You know? And 1:58:07.880 --> 1:58:10.360 but that was one thing that was sad because we 1:58:10.440 --> 1:58:14.360 talked about that because there was there was some discussion 1:58:14.440 --> 1:58:17.880 and the I'm like, of course Marishka would fall like 1:58:18.200 --> 1:58:20.760 who wouldn't fall in love with Robert Burke. Like that 1:58:20.880 --> 1:58:25.520 guy's he's like Gabriel Oak from far from the madding crowd, 1:58:25.640 --> 1:58:29.600 Like he just is as solid. He's an amazing actor too, 1:58:29.640 --> 1:58:32.160 and he's just such a great guy. But when we 1:58:32.200 --> 1:58:34.720 got to do and I can't remember what episode it was, 1:58:34.760 --> 1:58:37.600 but it was on Roosevelt Island where we got to 1:58:37.720 --> 1:58:40.960 kind of square off because he's internal affairs and we 1:58:41.040 --> 1:58:42.160 got to square off in the. 1:58:42.120 --> 1:58:45.200 Hall yeah, and I was like, bet, it's the obsession. Yeah. 1:58:45.280 --> 1:58:48.480 I'm like yeah, I'm like, lock, I get to I 1:58:48.520 --> 1:58:51.880 get to Like we were both like, holy shit. You 1:58:52.000 --> 1:58:54.560 look at our journeys since nineteen ninety two when we 1:58:54.640 --> 1:58:57.360 first sat that cool and all of them and Robert 1:58:57.400 --> 1:59:00.200 Burke's this buddy I have. We it's called like we 1:59:00.280 --> 1:59:02.880 do this. I don't know why it started in Bencok, 1:59:03.560 --> 1:59:06.240 but we'd have this kind of debrief about each other's 1:59:06.280 --> 1:59:10.440 lives over Turkey club sandwiches and I can measure through 1:59:10.480 --> 1:59:14.400 the birth of our children and good things and difficult 1:59:14.440 --> 1:59:18.840 things and loss of parents or whatever it is. There's 1:59:18.880 --> 1:59:23.440 a Turkey club sandwich. Check him with Bobby Burke. No, 1:59:23.560 --> 1:59:25.800 And so, my god, we got to be in this 1:59:26.000 --> 1:59:30.680 show together in a hallway. It was Yeah, it was 1:59:30.720 --> 1:59:31.600 pretty phenomenal. 1:59:31.680 --> 1:59:34.560 So that's so cool. Wow, I can't believe. And god 1:59:34.640 --> 1:59:38.320 we got that that we got to that, Oh my god. No. 1:59:38.440 --> 1:59:41.320 We loved talking to him so much, like he was 1:59:41.360 --> 1:59:44.840 the best and like he got tierry talking about his mom, 1:59:44.960 --> 1:59:46.960 Like he was so open with us and like he 1:59:47.160 --> 1:59:48.920 was just such a great, great guest. 1:59:49.440 --> 1:59:50.000 Zodiac. 1:59:50.120 --> 1:59:52.120 What was it like working with David Fincher and then 1:59:52.240 --> 1:59:54.200 you co wrote Danny Trejose memoir. 1:59:54.400 --> 1:59:56.840 So that's all we need to know about both of 1:59:56.840 --> 1:59:57.760 those things very quick. 1:59:59.040 --> 2:00:03.480 I knew David super like. I knew David from just 2:00:03.560 --> 2:00:09.480 kind of around, and I did before the MTV Cab Driver. 2:00:10.280 --> 2:00:13.200 I did these weird like Rock the Boat spots or 2:00:13.240 --> 2:00:18.640 something with David Fincher as he's school MTV commercials or whatever. 2:00:18.840 --> 2:00:24.120 I think he's the greatest, And I yeah, Zodiac was. 2:00:24.480 --> 2:00:28.000 I think Zodiac is the best film I've ever been in. 2:00:28.160 --> 2:00:32.560 It's such a how like Mark Ruffalo is a good friend, 2:00:33.280 --> 2:00:37.520 watching Mark and Robert Downey Junior and Jake and like 2:00:37.600 --> 2:00:41.160 it was so cool to be around and do And 2:00:41.720 --> 2:00:44.320 my little sister was in Zodiac who was my little 2:00:44.400 --> 2:00:48.520 sister and sons and terriers and in Zodiac she plays 2:00:48.560 --> 2:00:54.560 this motorist who comes across Ione Sky's character when she's 2:00:54.600 --> 2:00:57.160 looking for a baby, when she throws the baby out 2:00:57.200 --> 2:01:02.160 the So anyway, there's all kinds of ties. And I 2:01:02.200 --> 2:01:05.960 remember David Venture is such a stickler. There was a 2:01:06.000 --> 2:01:09.240 person there was a character in Benjamin Button or something, 2:01:09.840 --> 2:01:12.080 trying to think of what it was, but they need 2:01:12.080 --> 2:01:14.800 to deliver one line. But they couldn't do it, and 2:01:14.840 --> 2:01:18.280 he couldn't get anyone in New Orleans, and so David 2:01:18.360 --> 2:01:20.680 Fincher flew my little sister out there to do this 2:01:20.760 --> 2:01:24.240 one thing, just because he's so specific about what he 2:01:24.320 --> 2:01:29.560 wants and granular and then yeah, Danny Trejo, just before 2:01:29.680 --> 2:01:34.560 Robert Burke we met, and Danny and Robert are like 2:01:35.880 --> 2:01:40.280 the trident of the two dudes in my life who 2:01:40.320 --> 2:01:44.080 have been in my life in the most critical way 2:01:44.120 --> 2:01:47.240 of like, you know, you're going through a breakup with 2:01:47.640 --> 2:01:50.040 kids or you know, like the real life stuff, and 2:01:50.080 --> 2:01:52.160 they're the dudes that are there. And so Danny I've 2:01:52.200 --> 2:01:55.320 been friends with. In nineteen ninety one, I was the 2:01:55.440 --> 2:01:59.680 janitor at this drug and alcohol rehabby center place in 2:01:59.880 --> 2:02:02.280 l and I met Danny because he was coming in 2:02:02.320 --> 2:02:07.960 to speak, and we've been super tight since then. And 2:02:08.000 --> 2:02:12.920 it was a huge joy to introduce him to Robert 2:02:12.920 --> 2:02:17.120 Burke and watch my two super homies come together. And 2:02:17.160 --> 2:02:21.640 then yeah, and then you know, Danny said, isn't the 2:02:21.680 --> 2:02:24.480 world wild? Because when I met you, when you were 2:02:24.520 --> 2:02:27.800 a janitor at that place, like, who would know that 2:02:27.840 --> 2:02:30.000 God put you in my path that you would be 2:02:30.040 --> 2:02:33.880 the one to write my book all those years later 2:02:34.760 --> 2:02:39.160 and be trusted enough as a friend to be in 2:02:40.000 --> 2:02:43.080 a confidant in that regard. But have a little bit 2:02:43.120 --> 2:02:47.240 of writing, you know, kind of collegiate writing skills or 2:02:47.240 --> 2:02:51.760 whatever not to capture some prose. And but yeah, Danny, 2:02:52.440 --> 2:02:58.320 Danny and yeah, Danny and Robert are like my brothers, brothers. 2:02:58.880 --> 2:03:00.840 And we've kept you for an We've kept you for 2:03:00.880 --> 2:03:02.840 over an hour. And what we could honestly have a 2:03:02.880 --> 2:03:03.640 part two with you. 2:03:03.720 --> 2:03:07.120 Is so right to talk to your Do you have something? 2:03:07.560 --> 2:03:09.480 Do you have anything coming up that you want people 2:03:09.520 --> 2:03:10.800 to look out for? 2:03:11.280 --> 2:03:13.720 No, I just yeah, if I can leave it with anything, 2:03:13.800 --> 2:03:16.840 It's just about the quality of human beings that everybody 2:03:16.880 --> 2:03:20.200 at that place, and I'm talking about everybody and every 2:03:20.400 --> 2:03:26.280 single sling in department like that's and it wouldn't and 2:03:26.320 --> 2:03:29.440 it wouldn't go any other way, Like you couldn't wander 2:03:29.480 --> 2:03:33.040 into law and order SDU and not be a cool 2:03:33.160 --> 2:03:38.720 person and have it. It's like it regulates. There's no, 2:03:38.920 --> 2:03:43.480 it's not allowed, you know. And they're just yeah, they're 2:03:43.520 --> 2:03:47.520 they're they're phenomenal people. And what are what I was 2:03:47.600 --> 2:03:52.280 so fortunate, Like I can't even imagine, Yeah, like how 2:03:52.360 --> 2:03:55.920 much rich of my life was because of like that 2:03:56.400 --> 2:03:57.280 sometimes and. 2:03:57.720 --> 2:04:02.240 Your friends and your decades long friendships. That's like an 2:04:02.240 --> 2:04:05.440 accomplishment and cool thing as well. 2:04:05.520 --> 2:04:07.840 Yeah, it's the most important thing, right like is to 2:04:07.880 --> 2:04:10.520 have yeah for us, Yeah, yeah. 2:04:11.160 --> 2:04:12.320 Yeah, I love that. 2:04:12.400 --> 2:04:14.840 You Robert Burke our best friend. That is like the 2:04:14.880 --> 2:04:17.720 funnest thing ever. Robert John Berke, Sorry, Robert John Berke. 2:04:18.640 --> 2:04:20.800 Is there anything you want to Is there anything you 2:04:20.840 --> 2:04:21.760 want to plug before? 2:04:22.280 --> 2:04:26.680 There's no like the only I'm doing a book because 2:04:26.680 --> 2:04:31.240 of the Danny book, but it'll take forever. And the 2:04:31.360 --> 2:04:35.600 business is so weird and it's just changing so radically, 2:04:35.640 --> 2:04:40.440 and it's pretty fascinating. I mean, they're always going to 2:04:40.440 --> 2:04:44.360 be making stuff. It's just yeah, I think unfortunately for 2:04:44.440 --> 2:04:47.560 people I started in nineteen eighty nine out of Boston, 2:04:48.200 --> 2:04:50.720 I've been a you know, I got my SAG card, 2:04:51.160 --> 2:04:55.600 I've worked in that business. I've maximized my union credits 2:04:55.640 --> 2:04:58.440 in terms of pension blah blah blah, like I had 2:04:58.440 --> 2:05:00.480 that built for me in my life. If I've had 2:05:00.560 --> 2:05:03.560 health insurance for me and my family, and I don't 2:05:03.600 --> 2:05:07.240 know if this new and for the cruise NIATSI and 2:05:07.280 --> 2:05:09.520 all this stuff. I'm just I don't know any of 2:05:09.560 --> 2:05:13.840 the world that I came up with that that kind 2:05:13.840 --> 2:05:18.120 of mirrors the Law and Order Dick Wolf franchises, and uh, 2:05:18.560 --> 2:05:21.840 you know, so it's it's changing. But Dick Wolf is 2:05:21.880 --> 2:05:24.800 actually quite an interestingly cool dude too. And what a 2:05:24.840 --> 2:05:31.920 phenomenal Yeah, what a wild what a wild success story. 2:05:33.120 --> 2:05:38.080 Seriously, it was so great to talk to you. Donald Bye, Donald, 2:05:38.160 --> 2:05:38.720 thank you. 2:05:43.000 --> 2:05:47.320 Well that was incredible. Oh my god, somebody I've wanted 2:05:47.360 --> 2:05:49.160 to meet. I think since day one. I do bring 2:05:49.240 --> 2:05:53.920 up grounded for life, yes, more often than not, and 2:05:53.960 --> 2:05:56.720 I'm like, yeah, it was also nice. I watched all 2:05:56.800 --> 2:05:59.680 nine of his episodes in prep for it, and it 2:05:59.720 --> 2:06:02.520 wasn't It was really funny for me to see all 2:06:02.560 --> 2:06:03.840 the undercovers in. 2:06:03.840 --> 2:06:05.760 Rapid like that. 2:06:06.480 --> 2:06:10.320 It's like, this motherfucker is just like a trunk full 2:06:10.360 --> 2:06:11.120 of costumes. 2:06:11.680 --> 2:06:14.960 Yeah, but I just like love. I don't know, I 2:06:15.000 --> 2:06:17.640 love that guy. He works so much, he's so appreciative 2:06:17.680 --> 2:06:20.839 of his career, Like he seems like he loves everybody 2:06:20.840 --> 2:06:23.000 he works with. I mean, I think, I don't. 2:06:23.040 --> 2:06:25.560 I just I was happy to get one of Rollin's 2:06:25.560 --> 2:06:27.440 baby Daddy's you know what I mean, Like that's a 2:06:27.480 --> 2:06:28.839 get that's a get for us. 2:06:29.520 --> 2:06:32.000 Yeah, I mean, Rollin's the fact that she has a 2:06:32.080 --> 2:06:35.480 job at all, and as a professor, like the fact 2:06:35.520 --> 2:06:36.960 that that bitch has a pension. 2:06:36.600 --> 2:06:40.160 And not in jail Like I cannot, I cannot. 2:06:40.560 --> 2:06:44.040 It is one of the wildest stretches of the imagination 2:06:44.200 --> 2:06:47.720 that s FU makes us, makes us participate in, Like 2:06:47.920 --> 2:06:50.600 this whole episode is so crazy. 2:06:51.080 --> 2:06:54.040 Like just that she's but she had us too, like 2:06:54.720 --> 2:06:57.760 just having that sort of twist handed like you know. 2:06:58.280 --> 2:07:01.800 Yeah, well like also, well, I mean we forget that, 2:07:01.920 --> 2:07:05.320 like whatever happened when the video camera came on, Rollins 2:07:05.480 --> 2:07:07.400 was ready to get down on her knees, like she 2:07:07.600 --> 2:07:10.040 was ready to fuck this guy to keep her career 2:07:10.080 --> 2:07:10.880 and keep her life. 2:07:10.920 --> 2:07:11.160 You know. 2:07:11.760 --> 2:07:14.800 So you do get a sense of, like she is 2:07:14.920 --> 2:07:17.760 very good at conveying I think the rock bottomness of 2:07:18.280 --> 2:07:21.720 gambling addiction, and like any kind of addiction where you're 2:07:21.800 --> 2:07:25.240 just like, Okay, I guess I one bad decision to 2:07:25.280 --> 2:07:27.560 try to fix the last bad decision, stacked on top 2:07:27.600 --> 2:07:30.840 of each other forever, you know, Like but this time 2:07:31.960 --> 2:07:33.000 I think maybe it's stuck. 2:07:33.040 --> 2:07:33.280 I don't know. 2:07:33.320 --> 2:07:35.280 It feels like she doesn't gamble anymore now, now that 2:07:35.320 --> 2:07:36.520 she's got three kids. 2:07:37.120 --> 2:07:37.960 No, I don't think she. 2:07:39.480 --> 2:07:41.880 I think Cariese's keeping her on the straight and narrow, 2:07:42.040 --> 2:07:42.839 and I think. 2:07:44.120 --> 2:07:46.280 I think she learned. She might, you know what I mean. 2:07:46.520 --> 2:07:49.960 It's just it because I was about to say she's 2:07:50.000 --> 2:07:52.240 learned for good, but I'm like, she might have actually 2:07:52.240 --> 2:07:55.320 had more past this, Like I don't remember the order 2:07:55.320 --> 2:07:56.960 of her transgression, but I also don't know if this 2:07:57.040 --> 2:08:00.320 is pre your post, like lying for her sister, and 2:08:01.080 --> 2:08:05.680 I mean, yeah, she's lying all the time. Tomorrow's killing 2:08:05.760 --> 2:08:09.440 unarmed black teens. We have Benson covering for her brother. 2:08:10.240 --> 2:08:12.720 I mean, this goes on and on with the illegal 2:08:12.760 --> 2:08:15.080 stuff that are but the fact that he I'm glad 2:08:15.120 --> 2:08:17.400 you remembered when we asked him about the super Bowl 2:08:17.400 --> 2:08:19.840 episode because when he didn't fully remember at first, and 2:08:19.840 --> 2:08:22.440 I was like, does that blue leopard print top not 2:08:22.480 --> 2:08:27.640 live in your head? Excuse me? Bearing what the fuck 2:08:27.680 --> 2:08:30.240 are you talking about? Oh my god, I don't know 2:08:30.280 --> 2:08:32.560 if I already mentioned this on the pot or not 2:08:32.840 --> 2:08:37.000 Kill Me whatever. Season nine of SVU is on Delta, 2:08:37.760 --> 2:08:40.280 so I put it on, not thinking put on alternate, Like, 2:08:40.400 --> 2:08:42.560 let's go, what was I wearing? 2:08:42.960 --> 2:08:44.919 My full cast SVU sweatshirt. 2:08:47.920 --> 2:08:51.080 People probably assumed I had some sort of emotional problems, 2:08:51.160 --> 2:08:53.240 like the fact that I'm wearing the sweatshirt watching the show. 2:08:53.280 --> 2:08:55.800 I'm like, and then I met a baby in a 2:08:55.840 --> 2:08:58.839 Miss Rachel shirt and I'm like, oh, okay, I am 2:09:00.600 --> 2:09:05.360 I'm a baby. Well that's it makes sense. 2:09:05.400 --> 2:09:07.480 When Jared gold See was just like, you're a fucking nerd. 2:09:07.480 --> 2:09:10.240 I can't believe you don't know that, And then I'm 2:09:10.360 --> 2:09:13.240 sitting there in a nice sweatshirt on the show being like, Wow, 2:09:13.320 --> 2:09:14.240 I'm a nerd. 2:09:15.120 --> 2:09:15.640 I'm a nerd. 2:09:17.000 --> 2:09:18.720 I don't think you're that big of a nerd. Well, 2:09:18.720 --> 2:09:20.680 you're a nerd over certain things. Everybody's a nerd over 2:09:20.720 --> 2:09:25.640 some shit. You're a Luigi nerd, that's for sure, I know. 2:09:25.760 --> 2:09:30.120 And John Love it was not fully having it. He's well, 2:09:30.360 --> 2:09:33.160 his listeners, I don't know, he's gotta be like. 2:09:33.560 --> 2:09:34.400 You know, but he said it. 2:09:34.520 --> 2:09:37.320 He actually was pretty clever because we obviously I brought 2:09:37.360 --> 2:09:39.120 you up in Jared like the two people I know 2:09:39.160 --> 2:09:42.280 that goes to his holiday party, so I was like, oh, 2:09:42.280 --> 2:09:45.320 we have mutual so we brought the podcast up, and 2:09:45.360 --> 2:09:47.560 then I also with Luigi, I was just like, well, 2:09:47.600 --> 2:09:49.520 you know, Ariostour's done, so now we all have a 2:09:49.560 --> 2:09:52.080 new thing. And then once we start talking about the podcast, 2:09:52.120 --> 2:09:56.919 he goes, oh, you like mysteries, He goes, you like secrets, mysteries, 2:09:56.960 --> 2:10:00.440 figuring stuff out, and I go, yeah, you really figured 2:10:00.520 --> 2:10:03.200 it out for me. That's what I'm into. Wow, Like 2:10:03.240 --> 2:10:06.520 I just hadn't heard it so plainly said to my face. 2:10:07.040 --> 2:10:09.120 And I liked it, and he yeah, I think he 2:10:09.200 --> 2:10:09.520 got me. 2:10:09.760 --> 2:10:11.640 Well, the thing with the sv too is like the 2:10:11.680 --> 2:10:14.240 first half of the show is usually mysteries, and then 2:10:14.240 --> 2:10:18.160 the second half is like a justice system that will 2:10:18.160 --> 2:10:20.880 never be real, you know, like the feeling of the 2:10:20.880 --> 2:10:24.040 feeling of fulfillment of a of a criminal getting. 2:10:23.760 --> 2:10:28.240 With Sometimes the mystery never ends, you know, in the 2:10:28.240 --> 2:10:30.200 second part. Yeah, of course. Yeah. 2:10:30.240 --> 2:10:34.800 But back to this episode. Also, I really loved these 2:10:35.560 --> 2:10:37.480 two crimes. I mean I didn't love I don't love crimes. 2:10:37.480 --> 2:10:39.120 I don't love anyone getting murdered. But I had never 2:10:39.160 --> 2:10:42.280 heard of these two nineties crimes of like this big 2:10:42.440 --> 2:10:47.280 art heist and this like murder of this prince and princess, like. 2:10:47.320 --> 2:10:50.800 Carrie, you won't even believe this. I was out socially. 2:10:51.120 --> 2:10:53.120 I was actually at the Hermiceo. I went to the 2:10:53.160 --> 2:10:58.240 Hermiceo to make some of our friends, and someone brought 2:10:58.360 --> 2:11:02.280 up the museum. I got to like, flex, yeah, it's 2:11:02.360 --> 2:11:04.400 so fresh in my brain because sometimes the thing's going 2:11:04.520 --> 2:11:06.520 out or I can dup it some pieces, but it 2:11:06.560 --> 2:11:09.000 was like so fresh in my brain that I got 2:11:09.040 --> 2:11:10.640 to yeah. 2:11:10.560 --> 2:11:11.000 Kind of see. 2:11:11.080 --> 2:11:13.520 Yeah, the similar situation, we were all sitting around the 2:11:13.560 --> 2:11:15.720 dinner table in New Hampshire, me and my camp girls, 2:11:16.000 --> 2:11:18.240 and somebody goes, you know what I just found out 2:11:18.240 --> 2:11:22.480 about this guy in Austria, FRITZL And I go, get 2:11:22.520 --> 2:11:24.640 the fuck out of here right now. I know every 2:11:24.680 --> 2:11:26.920 single fucking thing about this guy that you'll ever need 2:11:26.960 --> 2:11:29.800 to know. Like, like she was trying to tell the story, 2:11:29.840 --> 2:11:31.200 I go, are you seriously gonna sit here and tell 2:11:31.200 --> 2:11:32.000 the story in front of me? 2:11:32.080 --> 2:11:32.560 Like okay? 2:11:32.760 --> 2:11:36.720 Like it was, Oh my god, the movie theater by 2:11:36.720 --> 2:11:38.440 my house is playing Silence of the Lambs. 2:11:38.720 --> 2:11:41.000 Ooh, I would love to see Sons of the Lambs 2:11:41.000 --> 2:11:41.600 on the big screen. 2:11:41.600 --> 2:11:45.280 I never have. That is cool. That is really cool. 2:11:45.840 --> 2:11:49.960 All right, all right, how we could help. 2:11:50.040 --> 2:11:52.520 Let's get to our Yeah, let's get to our What 2:11:52.520 --> 2:11:55.280 would sister Peg do this week? For what Sister peg Do, 2:11:55.360 --> 2:11:57.280 which is our weekly segment where you guys know, we 2:11:57.320 --> 2:12:00.840 direct you towards uh an organization and article, a book, 2:12:00.840 --> 2:12:02.480 a doc something to give you more info about what 2:12:02.480 --> 2:12:04.600 that today's episode was about. And we'd like to point 2:12:04.600 --> 2:12:08.080 you to the National Council on Problem Gambling. This organization 2:12:08.160 --> 2:12:11.320 is the only national nonprofit organization that seeks to minimize 2:12:11.320 --> 2:12:14.680 the economic and social costs associated with gambling addiction. One 2:12:14.680 --> 2:12:17.280 of their programs is one eight hundred Gambler, which is 2:12:17.360 --> 2:12:20.160 quote a one stop hub connecting people looking for assistance 2:12:20.160 --> 2:12:22.840 with a gambling problem to local resources. 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Hooked season six, Episode fifteen, 2:12:57.000 --> 2:13:01.360 Get at It Motherfucker's huluc. 2:13:02.240 --> 2:13:02.480 VP. 2:13:02.760 --> 2:13:06.920 Guys, thank you so much for listening and keep sending 2:13:07.000 --> 2:13:09.720 us episode requests on our Instagram or anywhere. 2:13:09.760 --> 2:13:13.400 And uh yeah Jack, we'll get more ga, we hear you. 2:13:13.440 --> 2:13:15.600 We'll get more guests. And I loved everyone typing to 2:13:15.640 --> 2:13:17.240 David Lynch. It made me so happy. 2:13:17.400 --> 2:13:19.880 Yes, thank you for the David Lynch heads. 2:13:19.920 --> 2:13:23.800 You guys will listen. Yeah, all right, we love you 2:13:23.800 --> 2:13:30.840 with see you next week. 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