1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Let's start with the price section, and then we can 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: turn to the estimates. The price section negative it continues 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: on the S and P five hundred. We're down across 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: the board, down by more than one four percentage point 5 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: on the SMP, on the NASDAG, down by one point six, 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: on a RUSS or of small caves, down by one 7 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: point nine. At the bond market, the rally continues for 8 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: a seventh consecutive session. Yields lower over that period by 9 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: more than thirty basis points on a ten year maturity, 10 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: the two year drop fifty in the month of July alone. 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: That move continues, yields lower at the front end by 12 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: three basis points four to twelve on ten to break 13 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: of four percent in the last twenty four hours your 14 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: ten year three ninety four. I promise you the estimates 15 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: so here they are gone into payrolls. Just around a corner. 16 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: One seventy five is the median estimate in our survey 17 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: on unemployment four point one percent. The question, particularly after 18 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: the weakness of yesterday m manufacturing jobless claims, is this 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: a head fake or the real deal? With us around 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: a table, the real deal, Mohammed el errand a Queen's College, 21 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: Cambridge with us for the next two hours alongside Am Marie, 22 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Farroh Mhammad. We've got to go to you 23 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: headfake or the real deal? 24 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: What is this? I think the US economy is slowing 25 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: faster and in a broader sense than most people anticipated, 26 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: including the FED. And I think that the market is 27 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: catching up to that possibility, which has become a probability. 28 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: So I've said repeatedly, I've asked repeatedly, welcome cooling or 29 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: unwelcome desiation? Is this starting to sound more like the 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: latter than the former? 31 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: It is the latter. There's no need for us to 32 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: have an excessive slowing in the economy. This remains quite 33 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: a robust economy. And if we do get it, it 34 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: is because the FED was late in recognizing that the 35 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 2: economy is slowing. Now there's a debate if the FED 36 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: needs to cut deeper when they go in September. Do 37 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: you think that they should in September go to fifty 38 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: basis points instead of twenty five? I think they go 39 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: to I mean, I'm laughing because so many people now 40 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: are suddenly say fifty basis points to start with the 41 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: fifty basis points cut means we've made a policy mistake. 42 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: And this is a FED that surprised a lot of 43 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: people by having to hike four times in a row 44 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: by seventy five basis points, so they were late starting, 45 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: and if they cut by fifty, there will signal that 46 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: they're late starting to cut. I think it will be 47 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: a mistake to cut by fifty, But the fact that 48 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: some people are talking about it, I think is where 49 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 2: the information of content is. 50 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: Right now, We've got lots of time with you this morning. 51 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: You'll be with us through the seven o'clock car into 52 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: the eight o'clock will go through the jobs numbers together. 53 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: I just want to sit on what I think has 54 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: been the biggest piece of your call, which is listen 55 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: to Corporate America. It worked the first time, it seems 56 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: to be working the second time. What did you make 57 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: of the tone of that news conference with Chairman Powell 58 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: earlier this week where he appeared to dismiss any evidence, 59 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: any signs of weakness. 60 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 2: So I think he was trying to strike that delicate 61 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: balance first explaining why it is that in cut, but 62 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: signaling that they're likely to cut, and on the whole 63 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: Actually he struck it quite well. He did come across 64 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: more dubbish than the statement, and you saw the market 65 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 2: react in that way yet again, and that is his 66 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: bit of coming across more dubbish. But I understand. You know, 67 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 2: it's not like the Bank of England. The Bank of 68 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: Englian is very clear. Five people voted four, four people 69 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: voted against. 70 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's. 71 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: Very He responded by saying, oh, no, it's really good 72 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: that everybody votes the same way. Actually, it's not good 73 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: that everybody votes the same way because you don't get 74 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: a sense of how difficult this judgment call is. 75 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if we get a sense of that in 76 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: these speeches over the next few weeks from FED officials.