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You know, jaymca, I was thinking about 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: this on Fox Sunday night. I'm not sure if I've 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: ever been this jack to watch a preseason game. It's 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams and the Bears taking on the Buffalo Bills. 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: And Ben Johnson has said, listen, we're playing starters. So 16 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: and we've seen this preseason Mahomes and Borough and you know, 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: veterans are playing everybody's so. But this week they held 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: out Caleb Williams, and so I want to talk about this. 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: We tend to think, as fans and media, we tend 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: to think, if you're really talented, that the problems are 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: always solvable. Carmelo Anthony, Well, he's a great athlete, he'll 22 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: commit to defense eventually. He never did. James Harden never 23 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: committed to the defensive end. MJ did, Kobe did, Lebron did, 24 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: Durant has even Steph Curry, who's not great, did byrd 25 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: did Melo. James Harden never did, could have Lucas never 26 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: really committed to defense. Well, he's in great shape. He'll 27 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: use that for offense, my guess, not for defense. Not. 28 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: We tend to think though, like we all know that 29 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: Sean mcvayh could not make Jared Goff fast or Kyle 30 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: Shanahan may have made Matt Ryan an MVP, but he 31 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: couldn't make him a great athlete. But when we we 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: see these great talents, we think, wow, you can solve 33 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: their problems. Aaron Rodgers has been aloof his entire career. 34 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: J Cutler's temperament was not a winning temperament in the NFL. 35 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: And Cutler was already talented, and so is Aaron Rodgers, 36 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. Is he really as committed as Tom Brady was. 37 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: He's certainly talented enough to be. We think commitments just 38 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: getting in a little early staying a little late doesn't work 39 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: that way. When you're a great athlete like Caleb Williams. 40 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: There's some things that come easy and you really never 41 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: developed them right. Like I always said, there's very few supermodels, 42 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: male or female, that have been the neurosurgeons. They don't 43 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: have to be right. So I look at Caleb and 44 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: this is the part that I'm very optimistic. Last year, 45 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: with two different head coaches and two different play callers, 46 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: a total circus, and an egregiously bad offensive line, here 47 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: were the numbers. Sixty two and a half percent completion percentage, 48 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: eighty eight passer rating, twenty touchdown, six picks. Those are 49 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: not terrible. If he just improved, just with Ben Johnson, 50 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: very very a luxury offensive mind and a very big 51 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: upgrade on the offensive line. If he just improved fifteen percent, 52 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: look at the numbers, he's a pro bowler. Seventy one 53 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: percent completion percentage, twenty three touchdowns, only five picks in 54 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: one on one passer. Ready, you would be you would 55 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: be a pro bowler. Fifteen percent of fifteen percent is 56 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: a huge return in the stock market on an annual basis, 57 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: but fifteen percent tweaking. That's kind of what McVeigh did 58 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: to Jared Goff, he really if you go look at 59 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: the golf numbers. I mean I was looking at him 60 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: this morning. It's not like he took Jared from fifty 61 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: four percent completion percentage to seventy. He's come fifty four 62 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: to sixty two right like now the passer rating because 63 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: basically golf was on his back with a Jeff Fisher staff. 64 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: But it was a lot of tweaking. But he couldn't 65 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: make him a great athlete. My question with Caleb Williams 66 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: are his issues Like Carmelo he could do it or 67 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: Luca he could do it, they don't want to. He 68 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: just wants to tuck it and run. Lamar Jackson could 69 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: have tucked it and run his way to Pro Bowls, 70 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,679 Speaker 1: but he didn't want to do just that. So Lamar 71 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: Jackson has developed into a really good pocket quarterback. He 72 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: didn't have to. He was winning a lot of games 73 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: his first year and a half. Not great from the pocket, 74 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: but above the shoulders. Lamar Jackson, a relentless competitor, said 75 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to get better than the pocket, and he did. 76 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: But it doesn't always work that way. So there are 77 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: certain things in chick that are not solvable. The winter weather, 78 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: the Bears weaker than average ownership are not solvable. The 79 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: question becomes can he improve fifteen percent? Because coaches offensive 80 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: coaches are great at tweaking, they are not magicians. Nobody 81 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: could make Jay Cutler joyful. Nobody's been able to make 82 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's commitment obsessive. You know, nobody's ever been able 83 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: to get Aaron Rodgers out of that passive aggressive nonsense 84 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: or mellow to shoot a three or luke of the 85 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: play defense. Not all issues are solvable. Fifteen percent improvement 86 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: from Ben though, And you have a Pro Bowl quarterback, 87 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: and that's why I say you got to get him 88 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: on the field. Brian Boldeger came on the show yesterday 89 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: and agree, just get him on the field, and let's 90 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: figure out solvable or unsolvable. Let's figure it out by 91 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: like Thanksgiving. 92 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: Okay, great, you're toughening the team up to get tougher mentally. 93 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: Let's put the quarterback out there. You've upgraded the offensive line. 94 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 3: You can't be the least bit worried about him getting hurt. 95 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: He was sacked sixty eight times and never hurt last year. 96 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 3: Put him out there. Let him show the world that 97 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 3: this offense fits him and he can do the things 98 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: that Ben Jonson wants him to do. There's no point 99 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: to hide him. He needs to play in this offense 100 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: and he needs to get the ball out of his 101 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: hands and went from the pocket. 102 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: So people think I'm picking on the Pittsburgh Steeters, But 103 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: every even Hall of Fame coach has a little bit 104 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: of a hole. We saw with Bill Belichick. He started 105 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: taking over the drafts and the last seven New England 106 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: Patriot drafts where Belichick had ultimate control, sitting with his 107 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: dog in that Nantucket table making picks, they were awful. 108 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: Bill had a hole in his game, and his hole 109 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: was he was not good at drafting. He reached on 110 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: multiple offensive linemen, multiple wide receivers. He was pretty good 111 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: on drafting the defensive side, especially corners, linebackers, safeties. He 112 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: was dreadful on offense. Did he ever draft a wide receiver? 113 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: I mean he had to go get Randy Moss already 114 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: a pro, Wes Welker already a pro. Edelman was a 115 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: quarterback in college. Like, did they ever draft a wide 116 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: receiver that panned out? He just couldn't do it. Mike 117 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 1: Tomlin has a whole too, and I hope he's aware 118 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: of it. But Mike Tomlin is talking about the Steeler defense. 119 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: He said, Oh, this thing, listen to this. This thing 120 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: is going to be historic. Here's Mike Tomlin on this 121 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: year's potential Steeler defense. 122 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 4: We feel really good about the prospects of this group. 123 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 4: We do. We got to write that story, but we 124 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 4: got enough talent, we got enough schematics to do big, 125 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 4: big things. And when I say big things, I'm talking 126 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: about historic things. 127 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: It's really hard to be a historic defense when you 128 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: can't sustain drives offensively. And this, to me is the 129 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: hole in Tomlin's game. He's a motivator, he develops, he 130 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: knows defense. But if you notice last year too, what 131 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: happens in the last five or six games to the 132 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: Steelers defense, it falls apart because they're on the field 133 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: the whole season. Last year, last five games, their defense 134 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: last in the league in opponents passer eating dead, last 135 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacks ate them alive. They gave up four hundred yards 136 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: a game, twenty seven and a half points a game. 137 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: The point differential was minus sixty six, bottom of the league. 138 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: So this year's defense is going to be historic because 139 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: you had a Darius Slay and Jalen Ramsey. Both both 140 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: bats are prime. The Steelers can't develop consistent run games, 141 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: and there's a reason Philadelphia's defense or Baltimore's defense are dominating. Yes, 142 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: part of its personnel. The other part is Lamar Jackson 143 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: and Derrick Henry keep the defense off the field so 144 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: they're arrested. And by the way, that's what Philadelpha Jalen 145 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: Hurts and Saquon Barkley in the old line. So when 146 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: the defense is on the field, they are arrested and 147 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: are ready to go. Pittsburgh's defense last year with TJ. Watt, 148 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: with Cam Hayward Mika Fitzpatrick was dreadful because they're on 149 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: the field the entire game. And as the NFL keeps 150 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: expanding the season, we're now at seventeen games, many suspect 151 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: it will be eighteen. You will not have a great 152 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: defense in the NFL going forward. If we go to 153 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: eighteen games, you will not have a great defense without 154 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: a complimentary above average run game. That is too many 155 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: games to have your defense on the field. Remember that 156 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: playoff game last year with the Ravens, Jusee, time of 157 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: possession Ravens forty minutes, Steelers twenty minutes. You can't be 158 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: a great defense in these elongated seasons. I mean, even 159 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: college football is going to fourteen to fifteen games after 160 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: the playoff. If you don't have a run game, I 161 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: don't care how good Alabama's defense is. More guys get hurt, 162 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: more guys are exhausted. Pittsburgh's defense was terrible at the 163 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: end of last year because they couldn't move the change. 164 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: That's what Belichick Ohays got. He kept Dante's Scarnecki around 165 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: best offensive line coach. Ever, they always had an above 166 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: average run game. They didn't lead the NFL in sacks, 167 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: they didn't lead the NFL in interceptions year after year, 168 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:26,239 Speaker 1: but their defense was fresh, usually healthy. Go to the sidelines, 169 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: get on the iPad. What did we do wrong? Sustain drives, Brady, 170 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: pick it up first downs, Just move the chains, seven 171 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: minute drives. Even if you only get a field goal 172 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: or don't score, let the defense rest. There are no 173 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: going forward. There will be no great NFL defenses seventeen 174 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: to eighteen game schedule consistently without a good run game. 175 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: And the Steelers cannot build a run game. And you 176 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: know the only thing that's historic is that the historic 177 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: nature of the Steelers is once again they lead the 178 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: in defensive spending. In the last four years, haven't been 179 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: a top ten defense. That's virtually impossible to do historically. 180 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: If you spend the most money on the side of 181 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: the ball, and you do it for four straight years, 182 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: it is virtually unheard of that that's not top ten. 183 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: And yet the Steelers last four years haven't because there 184 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: run games stunk. It's not that complicated. I think it's 185 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: the hole in his game. All right, Jay Mac, we 186 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: got a lot. Greg co Sella's going to be joining us. 187 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: The Angel swept the Dodgers. The Brewers and the Angels 188 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: this year have swept the Dodgers. Tay, did you listen 189 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: to Taylor Swift stuff? 190 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 5: What Taylor Swift stuff? 191 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: You didn't hear Taylor Swift on that New Heights podcast. 192 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 6: I was unaware that happened. Of course I heard about it. 193 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 6: My daughter watched the whole thing. No, I did not 194 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 6: pay attention to. 195 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: What does she make of it? 196 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 6: She's a fan of Taylor Swift. You know, we went 197 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 6: to the concert. I don't know that there's anything super 198 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 6: interesting in there. Let me go back to your Pittsburgh point. 199 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 6: For said, Colin, can you run a business? I've run 200 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 6: a business. Can you think of running a business finding 201 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 6: no success? Were it matters most the bottom line for 202 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 6: like four years in a row. And then let's not 203 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 6: change anything. Let's just double down on what's not working. 204 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 6: Like how can Pittsburgh think let's keep doing this? Like 205 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 6: what am I missing here? That's just bad business? 206 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's so odd. And again, even 207 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: the great coaches have a hole. Belichick and personnel, offensive personnel. 208 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: He just couldn't do it last seven years. The proof's 209 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: in the pudding. Jerry Jones, smart guy, vanity and ego. 210 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: It's his hole. You know, everybody's got one temperament for 211 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: Elon Musk bit of a hole. He found that out, 212 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: you know, dealing with our president. Everybody's got a hole, 213 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: no matter how smart they are. And I think Mike 214 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: tomlins Is he's unable to develop a run game to 215 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: allow his defense to win the time of possession battle. 216 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: You can't keep at Remember there's more injuries historically on 217 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: the defensive side than the offensive side. Defensive guys are 218 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: there to blow stuff up. I mean, that's what you 219 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: do is a defensive player pair on fire fast as 220 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: you can blow stuff up. More defensive players get hurt 221 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: over a season and offensive players. And by the way, 222 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: as defensive players get older and expensive, they get hurt 223 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: more often. So the Steelers now were an old football 224 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: team on defense. TJ. Watt, Cam Hayward, thirty seven, Slay Ran. 225 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: They're an old defense. They're an expensive defense. And what's 226 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: that mean when you can't develop a run game. By 227 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: the way, the guy they drafted not been impressive as camp, 228 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: not in camp, Najie Harris gone. So there's no indication 229 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: they have struggled to run the ball in camp. It's 230 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: going to be any different. 231 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, they feel like a business, like a Kodak or Xerox. 232 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 6: They just don't see that you need to reboot or 233 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 6: reinvent yourself. 234 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: We think it's a passing league. The top six rushing 235 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: teams last year in the NFL all made the playoffs. 236 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: Three of the top five teams in total defense last 237 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: year did not, So we know that defense isn't as 238 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: impactful as it used to be based on the rule changes. 239 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: But the great defense is almost all have something in common. 240 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: Baltimore right Philadelphia, They have a complimentary run game to 241 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: keep the defense off the field. That's why the toush 242 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: push is so valuable to the defense. I mean they 243 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: could just they just convert third and fourth downs. That 244 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: is another four to five minutes of real time your 245 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: defense can be resting. Yeah, you want your defense to 246 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: go to the sideline, go to the iPad. What do 247 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: we do wrong? Get a gatorade, smelling salts and yeah, 248 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: and then come out hair on fire. 249 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 250 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: and noon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 251 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 252 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 5: Hi, this is Jay. 253 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 7: I'm the producer of the Paul and Toni Fusco Show. 254 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 7: Usually in these promos they ask you to listen to 255 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 7: the show. I'm here to ask you please, don't listen 256 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 7: to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who 257 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 7: have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable. Don't listen to 258 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 7: the show so it can get camps. 259 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 4: What the hell are you doing our studio? 260 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 5: Get Ignore that fool. Listen to the Pauline Tony Fusco 261 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 5: Show on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. 262 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: He's still moving. 263 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: You are now entering the no bull zone sponsored by 264 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: Credible Great Race. None of the bull so the Dodgers, 265 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: and everybody's terrified of the Dodgers. It's Freddie Freeman, Molkie, Bets, 266 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: Shoho Tani, unlimited resources, unlimited money, La economy. I'll watch out. 267 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: They just got swept by the Angels. Swept. The hottest 268 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: team in baseball now is the Milwaukee Brewers. The Blue Jays, 269 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: in a division with the Yankees and Red Sox, are 270 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: leading handily. The Dodgers, Mets, and Yankees are all struggling 271 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: in the have now three highest payrolls all fallen out 272 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: of first place. Baseball has not had a repeat champions 273 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: since the Yankees in ninety nine and two thousand and 274 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: outside of the COVID year, the Dodger have been out 275 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: spending almost everybody in baseball for over a decade, and 276 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: they've got one World Series title. Yet. The salary cap 277 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: hard NFL. The hard cap in the NFL. Right, No 278 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: dynasties have been dominated. That league's been dominated for twenty 279 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: five years by the Patriots, Bill Belichick, Brady Andy Reid, Chiefs, 280 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes dominated dominated and college sports you know, which 281 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: until recently didn't really pay players, has always had dynasties. 282 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: So I keep looking at the last eleven World Series champs. Yeah, 283 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: the Dodgers have a couple, one of them COVID. But 284 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: I see, you know, I see the Nats, and I 285 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: see the Giants, and I see the Royals and the 286 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: Astros and the Rangers and the Braves and the I 287 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: don't see the Yankees and so, and I go up. 288 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: And if you're listening on radio, Dodgers, Rangers, Astros, Braves, Gnats, 289 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: Red Sox, Astros, Cubs, Royals, Giants, no Yankees, no Mets. 290 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: So and I know Rob Manfred would like to see 291 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: more parody among salaries. But Cincinnati is not Los Angeles. 292 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: The economies aren't the same. If you want to contract 293 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: and get rid of Cincinnati, which I would not do. Okay, fine, 294 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: but every league has a bottom thirty percent. So does 295 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: the Live and PGA Tour, So does every tennis tour, 296 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: So does college basketball college football. The same nine teams 297 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: have dominated college basketball my entire life. UCLA used to 298 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: be greater, they're still viable. The same eight college football 299 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: teams have dominated my entire life. The NBA just signed 300 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: an eleven year, seventy six billion dollar deal. Sacramento has 301 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: never mattered. Revenue ratings never mattered. Memphis now doesn't matter. 302 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: Okase won the title. I'm not sure they matter. So this, literally, 303 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: this constant fear mongering of baseball is in an incredible 304 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: place right now. Dodgers are a mess, Yankees and Mets 305 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: falling out of first Brewers on fire, with their manager 306 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: eating in game pancakes he stuffs in his pockets. Look 307 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: at it, I mean, right now, look at the brands 308 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: in baseball. Look at the best records in baseball. I 309 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: mean the Phillies, Dodgers, Cubs, Tigers, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox 310 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: probably make the playoffs. Those are great brands. The Brewers 311 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: may win it all. The Tiger's best staff may win 312 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: it all. So when I said this yesterday, there's even 313 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: in socialism countryes driven by socialism, regulated by socialism. They're hierarchies. 314 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: You're never gonna have perfect parody if you put Cincinnati 315 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: in a league with a team from New York in 316 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, generally speaking, especially in the NFL, who are 317 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: the best owners? Those are the organization winning titles. The 318 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: Celtics have had really good ownership most of my life. 319 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: They're always viable. The Dodgers really good ownership, Nicks, Wizards 320 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: not really stop the fear mongering. Baseball is in a 321 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: great place. The Brewers are absolutely on fire, and the 322 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: Dodgers are a mess. And here's Dave Roberts after getting 323 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: swept by the Angels. 324 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 5: Now it's a new season, so you know, you look 325 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 5: at the standings and. 326 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 6: We got to play better baseball and find ways to 327 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 6: win games. 328 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: If you go to club soccer Barcelona, Real, Madrid, Man City, 329 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: you go anywhere on the globe, go to the German 330 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: Soccer League, the French League, you go to English Premier League. 331 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: They're always relegating the same teams. It's it's just, it's 332 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: just the way it is. I watched Tiger Woods do 333 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: it in golf for ten years, fifteen years. I watched 334 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: Jack to it for fifteen before then. So you know, 335 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: watching the Dodgers get swept by the Angels, which should 336 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: never happen, but it did. It's baseball. J Mack with the. 337 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: News, No, no turn on the news. This is the 338 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: herd Line news. 339 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 6: All right, Colin, let's pivot to the NFL and the 340 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys. 341 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 5: Listen, Jerry Jones keeps them in the news. What can 342 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 5: we say? 343 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 6: Micah Parsons situation remains unsolved as they have their final 344 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 6: padded practice at Oxnard yesterday. Parsons has not spoken to 345 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 6: the media since the first day of camp on July 346 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 6: twenty second, so we're building in in a month and 347 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 6: Jerry Jones did not have much of an update. 348 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 5: Get a load of this, Colin. 349 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: What's preventing you guys from talking right now? 350 00:20:58,840 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 8: Again? 351 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 4: Uh? 352 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 8: The uh really nothing. We might or might not talk, 353 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 8: and the rest of that gets in what we do 354 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 8: every day. 355 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 7: Is there a deadline to know whether Michael Parsons plans 356 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 7: to play in week one or not? 357 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 5: Uh? 358 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 8: No, not at all. You don't have deadlines when you're 359 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 8: playing under a contract. 360 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 6: Very interesting, you don't have deadlines when you're playing under 361 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 6: a contracts like a shot. 362 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 5: That's a shot at Michael. 363 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: Well, no, that's the truth. 364 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 6: Oh stop it, Colin, that's not technically, yes, that is 365 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 6: the truth. 366 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: Oh technically, well, contracts are technical. 367 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 5: Hey, I'll give you a jaywalking ticket. 368 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 6: Okay, technically is not a big deal, but technically jaywalking, I. 369 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: Would have to pay the ticket or it would compound 370 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: in interest, that's payment. 371 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 6: So Michael yourson's could theoretically sit out the season. 372 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: Theoretically he could, but he would not get paid and 373 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: he would get fined because there's a contract with a 374 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: CBA that does allow that. So contractually, Jerry is right, 375 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: there is no deadline. You've got a year left on 376 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: your contract. Jerry's on, you don't have to like this, 377 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: but there is no rule that I have to pay 378 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: you a year early. No, that is when you're getting 379 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: increasingly banged up. You're not practicing. I do not have 380 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: to pay you a year. 381 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 6: Wait, hold on, do you think that they're not paying 382 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 6: him because you're he's increasingly banged up and all that. 383 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of factors, and one of 384 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: them is why aren't you practicing? 385 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 5: Get my new contract? 386 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: Everybody in my every I have to do what the 387 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: Mariners do? I have to do? Why do I have 388 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: to do what poorly run teams do? 389 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 5: Sure, you don't have to. 390 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 6: You could send a signal to other free agents that 391 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 6: this is how we do business. 392 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: And do you think those free agents are going to 393 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: want to get in bed with you? Nobody's winning this 394 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: league because of free agents. They're winning it because of 395 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: quarterback play, drafting in a develop Free agency has never 396 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: equaled Super Bowl. 397 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 6: The Philadelphia Eagles just added an all Pro linebacker and 398 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 6: Zach Gone and Sigwe Markley and won the Super Bowl. 399 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: They won the Super Bowl because their offensive line all 400 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: drafted into developed outside of McKay, Beckton is all theirs all. 401 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: They did not win a Super Bowl because at Sagwon Barkley. 402 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: He added to the deepest roster by a mile in 403 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: the league. Derrick Henry made the Ravens interesting. They were 404 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: great before he got there. They were winning games. Nobody's 405 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl to free agency. This threat, if 406 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: you don't treat Damon Damian Lillard good for the Blazers, 407 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: no player will ever go to Portland. Nonsense. If I 408 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: call your agent and say here's three hundred million, you're 409 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: going to the Blazers. That is a threat that agents 410 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: have made forever. It doesn't hold water at all. Players 411 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: as they should be, are selfish and worried about themselves 412 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: and their family. Free agency is never in the NFL 413 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: equal championships. In fact, I could argue the opposite has happened. 414 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: Teams that overspend and it ruined chemistry. It's like the 415 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: nil the transfer portal. Usc LSU Colorado are using it 416 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: a ton. Notre Dame's not, and they're winning more football. 417 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: Get Clemson's not. They have a top three team. So 418 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: this idea that, oh, they're not paying Micah, So what 419 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: if they offered somebody else huge money, they would go 420 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: tomorrow to Dallas. 421 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 6: I mean it seems unlikely they would offer someone else 422 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 6: huge money given they won't even pay Micah. 423 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 5: I just think he's bungled this Colin. I know you 424 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 5: like to side with the millionaire owners if this is. 425 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: Not Cincinnati, where they don't where they struggle with every contract. 426 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: The Cowboys have made Dak the highest paid quarterback before 427 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: and made Ceedee Lamb. How's that working out? Well, that's 428 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: not the point. Stay on your point. They pay people, 429 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: they're not paying Micah. They overpaid for that linebacker from 430 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: Notre Dame coming off an injury. I forget the name 431 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: j Jalen Smith. They paid him too much, Dak. I 432 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: think they paid too much, Ceedee Lamb. They paid him 433 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: about right. They paid people all they paid DeMarcus Lawrence, 434 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: They've paid all sorts. They paid Zach Martin for years. 435 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: Tyron Smith for you, cowboys have never They've never been cheap. 436 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: In fact, I'd argue they should pay earlier and then 437 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: they don't have to wait and pay as much as 438 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: they do. But Micah is a rare. We're not paying this. 439 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: Jerry doesn't do this. Is Cincinnati does this annually. The 440 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: Chargers used to do this annually. This is not what 441 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: Jerry does annually. 442 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 6: Yeah, So getting to the root of why he's dug 443 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 6: in his heels for Micah Parsons is strange. I mean, 444 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 6: he did this with Dak. It did not work out well. 445 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 6: They signed him to a huge deal. How many what 446 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 6: do you have to show for it? And now he's 447 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 6: waited for Micah and it's like every. 448 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 5: Day he's in front of fifty microphones. 449 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: If Micah sits out the year and comes back, he 450 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: still has to play under the contract with a year left, 451 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: so all the leverage is with Jerry, Jones and Dallas. 452 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: He's getting increasingly hurt. He hasn't done anything in the playoffs. 453 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: Edge rushers are much more replaceable than quarterbacks. That's why 454 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: you pay Dak. I've told you before, if I had 455 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: to pay three players on a team, it would be quarterback, 456 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: left tackle. There's an argument in twenty twenty five, third 457 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: should be a weapon. A Poka Amarante. There's the only 458 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: defensive player. I will absolutely move the Brinks truck over. 459 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: Is for a dominant interior D lineman. Chris Jones, Aaron Donald, 460 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: A Reggie White, a Jalen Carter. That body type is 461 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, getting a guy that's sixty one three point 462 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: thirty with great feet is impossible. You can find ed 463 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: rushers now, Miles Garrett, I would pay. But a lot 464 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: of these guys on this list, you can find them 465 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: the market. College football delivers they have on an annual basis. 466 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 5: By the ways, let's see playoffs. Last year. 467 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 6: Steelers did not win, Browns didn't make it. Yeah, Texans 468 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 6: won to one. Crosby did not make it, Niners did 469 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 6: not make it, Jets did not make Yeah. 470 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 5: So that I mean, listen, I'm with you on that. 471 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 6: But you could have got one of these deals two 472 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 6: years ago for Mike guy. 473 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 5: I'll just pay them early. 474 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: All right. 475 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 6: Let's move on to the Ravens. Colin Derrick Henry. Last season, 476 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 6: I did not know this. He had over nineteen hundred 477 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 6: yards rushing. They were Dereck Henry and Lamark combined one 478 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 6: of the most prolific quarterback running duos in NFL history. 479 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 5: They come by for over twenty eight hundred yards. 480 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 6: Henry said joining Lamar and the Ravens was even better 481 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 6: than expected, adding things were electric. That's a good free 482 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 6: agent move for the Ravens. But she a little short 483 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 6: in the put. Yeah, Dallas could have had him probably, No. 484 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: No, we preached on this show for a year before. 485 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: We're like, go get Derrick Henry. You can get him 486 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: for cheap, and the Ravens did. That's why the Ravens 487 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: are perpetually good. Owner Steve Bushatti in the executive suite 488 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: and John Harbaugh like they all work in unison. Derrick 489 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: Henry was a Steve I didn't think it would be 490 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: this good. I thought he was so physical. I figured 491 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: there'd be some erosion or regression. He has been unbelievable. 492 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: It may happen next year, Colin. I looked historically, when 493 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: he has a lot of carries, like over three hundred 494 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: and twenty five, the next year there's some pullback. 495 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 5: I will say, can you remind me. 496 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 6: The last time you saw Steve Bushatti, the owner of 497 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 6: the Ravens at training camp, fielding questions from the media. 498 00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 5: Do you remember when that was? 499 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: You know what's funny about Steve Bushatti is he really 500 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: does pull all the levers there, but. 501 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 5: Hily behind the scenes. 502 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, for a show there are I don't know if 503 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: there's another owner in the NFL, and I'm serious that 504 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: has more of a say on draft Day than Steve Bushati. 505 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: Steve Bushatti is all over the Ravens, but he doesn't 506 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: He's not driven by vanity. He's a great boss, one 507 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: of the really good billionaires in this league. I've talked 508 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: to multiple people in the league that say he's the 509 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: best owner in the league. 510 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 511 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 6: Even during the Lamar remember two years ago Lamar, he 512 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 6: said out of it, MA was his mom. 513 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 5: Was like negotiating. 514 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 6: Bushati wasn't involved and giving us weekly updates. 515 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: I know he was involved, but he hides exactly. 516 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 6: Jerry take notes. Final story Colin Eagles Brown's joint practices 517 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 6: this week ahead of the preseason matchup Saturday. How about 518 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 6: this moment Shader Sanders approached Jalen Hurts and the two 519 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 6: went for a ride in a golf cart. 520 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 5: Here's what they had to Here's what Hurt said about 521 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 5: their chat. 522 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 9: There's a sense of obligation to be yourself and that's 523 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 9: who I am to you know, be honest and genuine 524 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 9: and expressing how how I got to where I am today. Ultimately, 525 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 9: it takes a great deal of patience and hard work 526 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 9: and the sense of resilience. 527 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta want it. 528 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: You know you gotta want it. 529 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 9: And so I'm supporting him from where I am and 530 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 9: I wish I have none but the best of his opportunities. 531 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: Good guy to learn from. 532 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, Chaduor hopefully was taking notes there. I like that 533 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts such a such a leader, you know, calling in. 534 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 5: That quarterback tiers list. I don't think they have a. 535 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 6: Leadership quotion where it's like gives a golf cart ride 536 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 6: to a fifth round pick who's been maligned by the media. 537 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 6: Another thing Jalen Hurts has in his back pocket that 538 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 6: I love. 539 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: Now he's twenty seven doing on forty seven j Mack 540 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: with the news, Well. 541 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the heard 542 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: Line News. 543 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: It's always better to start out as a tough parent 544 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: and then lighting up, because if you start out as 545 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: ice cream for breakfast, dad, your kids won't take you seriously. 546 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: And one NFL team at a practice yesterday, a joint 547 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: practice that is being called a disaster. A disaster ice 548 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: scream for breakfast a dad is unraveling in Miami. We'll 549 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: talk about that. Man. 550 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 551 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a em Pacific. 552 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 6: Saturday, it's Baseball Night in America. As a MVP front runner, 553 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 6: Aaron Judge leads the Yankees against the Cardinals, or the 554 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 6: Al Central leading Tigers take on the Twins. Check local 555 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 6: listings for the game in your area. Saturday, seven Eastern 556 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 6: on thoughts. 557 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: So when Tom Coughlin coach the New York Giants, he 558 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: came in hot. He had been coaching at college. He 559 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,239 Speaker 1: goes to Jacksonville. He goes to the Giants and he 560 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: was intense, and eventually the owner sat him down and said, 561 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: you gotta lighten up a little bit. You know, the 562 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 1: player counsels like, coach, you got lighted up a little bit. 563 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: He did, and they won super Bowls. But it's okay 564 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: because he's still he was always accountable. When he was 565 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: a task master or he lightened up, he was still 566 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: holding people accountable. But I find this with parents managers 567 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: that I've had in my career. You can't come in 568 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: soft and then become tough guy. Everybody rolls their eyes 569 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: and it's this is what I've said. The media chooses 570 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: who they like and don't like. They didn't like Brian Flores. 571 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: He didn't give you any access. Like Urban Meyer in college, 572 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: even though he was winning games, he wouldn't give you 573 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: any access. And so the media is like, oh, we 574 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: don't like that guy, we don't like that person. Pete 575 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: Carroll give you a bunch of access at US See. 576 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: Everybody loved him, and so I think with Brian Flores, 577 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: he goes into Miami. This is the coach before Mike mcdonne. 578 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: He goes into Miami, no access, He's tough on everybody, 579 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: and he breaks down the culture. First eight weeks he 580 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: just breaks it down the goe. From that point forward 581 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: until he was fired, they were something. They were five 582 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: and four, bottom five penalized team in the league with 583 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: upgraded special teams. Okay, Mike McDaniel not a guy that 584 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: holds people accountable, fun loving, the snarky hipster. They're a 585 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: top five penalized team since he's been a coach of 586 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: the Dolphins. Brian floor is a bottom five penalized team. 587 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: Why accountability, which is something now Mike McDaniel is stressing. 588 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: So yesterday the Dolphins had a practice with the Lions. 589 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: The quote here is it was as lobsided a joint 590 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:45,479 Speaker 1: NFL practice as I've ever seen. Apparently Tua got banged up, 591 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson got banged up. A linebacker for the Lions. 592 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: Grant Steward said, I don't even know if they practice 593 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: how we practice. But again, you can't be a bull 594 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: of jello. That's what Miami is a lot of movement, 595 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: no meat in the sandwich. Brian Flores was rough, he 596 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: didn't treat everybody well. He has grown since then and 597 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: I think remains the best defensive coordinator in the league, 598 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,239 Speaker 1: top two. He inspects. But Miami was something by like 599 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: week nine on. They didn't commit penalties, they took the 600 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: ball away, the special teams were buttoned up. You didn't 601 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: have to love him. He didn't get along with Tua, 602 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: but they were something. And that's why I say, with 603 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: Miami and Mike McDaniel, what are they? I don't know 604 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: what they are? And again I understand it takes a 605 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: while to break down the culture, but I would argue 606 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: today Miami doesn't even have a culture, and it all 607 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: starts with lack of accountability. And that's why Brian Flores 608 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: came in hot. He probably should have lightened up. He 609 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: now has in Minnesota, but I would hire Brian Flores. 610 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: Mike McDaniels came in as everybody's friend, and now he's 611 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: trying to create accountability and it's hard. And that's not 612 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: a shot at Mike. It's hard. Jason Garrett in Dallas 613 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: tried to do that and people just didn't buy it 614 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: because he was everybody's, you know, the clapper. He was 615 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: everybody's buddy. It was hard. Wade Phillips in his career 616 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: is a really likable guy. It's hard to buy in. 617 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: He's a task master. Harbaugh can come in hot to Stanford, 618 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: San Francisco, Michigan, comes in hot and then can lighten 619 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: up and be more joyful. I mean, at the end 620 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: in Michigan, Harbaugh was a lot of fun. And so 621 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: here's Mike McDaniel on the Lions player that said, I 622 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: don't even know if they practice like we do. Literally 623 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: does not affect me whatsoever. I think there's a. 624 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 6: Lot of a lot of noise, and I would file 625 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 6: that into the noise category. 626 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: Well it's noise, but it's not necessarily there's some validation. 627 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: The noise is just a comment, that's right, Okay. So 628 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift went on the Travis Kelsey podcast. It's called 629 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: New Heights. It's the Kelsey Brothers. It's very popular and 630 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: people got really worked out last year and it was 631 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: really ridiculous. So she would be on Chiefs games, she 632 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: would be on TV and whoever was airing the Chiefs game, 633 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: which they were on every network. They played every day 634 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: but Tuesday last year, so people would get worked up 635 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: over it, which I called him out because if you 636 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: looked at the time she was on screen, it was 637 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: like thirty four seconds per game. I mean, they networks 638 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: would show her, obviously as the world's biggest pop star, 639 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: just like they would show, you know, a Spice girl 640 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: married the David Beckham, you know if Beckham was playing. 641 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: I mean, Derek Jeter didn't get married, but Derek Jeter, 642 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: he had a very fruitful life as a Yankee. This 643 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: is we live in this world. Now, celebrities get celebrities, 644 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 1: but Here was Taylor Swift. She is it sounds real 645 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: here you got to give her. I know some of 646 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: you guys aren't comfortable with this because she's on screen 647 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: for thirty four seconds. And I would argue, celebrities get celebrities. 648 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: They get the intensity, they get the nonsense. You know, 649 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: they get people taking pictures constantly, like I get it. 650 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: They get each other. Here is her talking actually about football. 651 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 5: I fell in love with it. I became obsessed with it. 652 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 10: I became like a person who was running through the 653 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 10: halls of my house screaming. 654 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 5: We Drafteda if you're worthy? And I wasn't so like, 655 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 5: what is who body snatched you? 656 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: This is? This is? 657 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 10: What do you mean that we're talking about cover two, 658 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 10: Cover four, Cover zero, man cover. We're talking, we're learning. 659 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: Yes, and so it's okay, we're all going to be okay. 660 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: She's going to be shown for thirty four seconds. Travis 661 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: Kelsey's retiring after the year. But you know I've heard 662 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: this a while. They're using each other. Well, I would 663 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: argue they get each other. That Travis Kelcey is Saturday 664 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: Night Live, He's on GQ, MAGA. He was already popular 665 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,720 Speaker 1: because he was so great in football. He's good looking, 666 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: he's got a great person. It's not like he hosted 667 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live before Taylor Swift. I mean he was 668 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: a very popular guy. He was Mahomes's biggest ally on 669 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: the offense. It's not like he wasn't big. But I 670 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: will say I've been a little shocked at how myopic 671 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: and rigid sports fans have been with us. David Beckham 672 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: married a spice girl, Derek Jeter had celebrity girlfriends, Russell 673 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: Wilson's Mary to a singer. Folks, it's hard for Taylor Swift, 674 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: the world's biggest musical act. In fact, not only that 675 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: I read just two days ago on Apple Watch, she 676 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: has pulled away from the rest of the industry. Who 677 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 1: do you want her to date? Got the true value 678 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: hardware store. I mean, let's be serious here, Celebrities get celebrities. 679 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Justin Berlander, didn't he marry Kate Upton? The Supermode? 680 00:37:53,360 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: So just ask yourself, were you bothered by Derek or 681 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson or David Beckham. I think a lot of 682 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: this is we as Americans are very tribal about our football. 683 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: But this idea that networks can't show Taylor Swift for 684 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: thirty four seconds. Folks, do you realize there's twelve and 685 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: a half minutes of football in a four hour broadcast. 686 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: They're showing you a lot that is non football. I've 687 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: seen every male in Buffalo jump off their mini van 688 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: onto a table on a pregame show that you can 689 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: cut back. I'm done seeing that. I'm done seeing cheesehead guy. 690 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: That is a cliche. I'm done with. I can live 691 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,280 Speaker 1: with a thirty four seconds. By the way, Aaron Rodgers, 692 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: who has a mysterious wife, has twice dated celebrities. This 693 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: is just like the way it's going to. There are 694 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:55,240 Speaker 1: in America athletes. There are royal family in the UK, 695 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: you have a royal family. You have princes in Monaco. 696 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: Right in America, our royal family are superstar athletes and 697 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: you know movie stars. That's our royal family. Here was 698 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: more Taylor on the new influx of female fans to football. 699 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 10: A lot of the women and girls they maybe they 700 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 10: like watched one game to see me each year on 701 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 10: my boyfriend or whatever. But if they stayed, which is 702 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 10: what people are saying based on the numbers, that the 703 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 10: game is so great and it's such an amazing interesting 704 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 10: thing to learn about. 705 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great on television. I mean, it's the reason 706 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: the Netflix, Amazon, Primes, the Hulus, the paramounts, the reason 707 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: these companies do well good content. It's not because we 708 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: like paying our Netflix bill every month. They offer really 709 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: good documentaries and it's the best actors and the best 710 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: writers and the best directors and producers. And that's what 711 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: the NFL is. The NFL is great content. Baseball can 712 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: be slow. There's not a lot of urgency with the 713 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: NBA season. 714 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 5: It's long. 715 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: Soccer's over on Apple TV. I'm not paying for that. 716 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: The NFL's great content. Sorry, j Mac didn't mean to 717 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 1: take a shot, would you. I mean, let me ask 718 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: you this. Nobody complained about the obligatory and relentless shots 719 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: of Fireman ed for thirty years. We can't be bothered 720 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: by thirty four seconds of Taylor Swift Fireman Ed. I 721 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: am over that one. I'm over. I kind of look 722 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: forward to the Taylor Swift six second shot four times 723 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: a game. 724 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, I will say the whole Taylor Swift running around 725 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 6: screaming we got Xavier Worthy. 726 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 5: That's pretty cool now. 727 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 6: I know in my house, I can hype the Jets 728 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 6: with our draft picks. 729 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 5: But my family's not all excited. 730 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,720 Speaker 6: I like the Taylor Swifts bought in and talking about 731 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 6: cover two, cover three, Man, like, that's kind of cool. 732 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,479 Speaker 6: I don't know, I'm impressed. I mean, I assume ann 733 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 6: run circles around the family room. No, when you announce 734 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 6: USC just signed the five star offensive None. No. 735 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: And I do think this is genuine and authentic. Is 736 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: that I think when you're young. I mean, my daughter 737 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 1: likes sports more than my son. She's willing to go. 738 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: She goes to MLS games all the time in Nashville, 739 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: So I think it's authentic. I don't buy their using 740 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: each other. I would they speak that celeb language. I 741 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: think they get each other. I think it's hard to 742 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: be a celebrity. Celebrities and never made more in America 743 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: I happen to. I mean, of the twelve homes, I'm 744 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: sure Taylor Swift owns. I know where one of them's at. 745 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: And people sit on the beach and take pictures of 746 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: her home. It's like a it's a trend. It's what 747 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: people do all summer long. Who are you going to date? 748 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,280 Speaker 1: Who are you going to be around? 749 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 4: You know? 750 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, congrats to the Kelsey's on that all right, Greg 751 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: Cosel's around the corner on a Thursday. I can't wait.