1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from House top 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Caroline, 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: Pat and Kristin. Today we are talking about something that's 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: related to Kim Kardashian some other celebrities on Instagram, and 5 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: something that's really actually a little uncomfortable to talk about, 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: mainly because it's literally uncomfortable. It's it's waste training. Yeah, whearing. Course, 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: it's while you work out. Yeah, there's nothing about that. 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: It sounds great. I'm a very heavy exercise breather. Like 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm embarrassing. I'm it's it's embarrassing for me and 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: everyone around me, Like on the treadmill when I'm running, 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: I can't imagine how much worse it would be if 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: I were wearing like a restricting garment around my middle. Yeah, 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: I don't think that you would get too far on 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: that treadmill. It sounds like if I just pass out, 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: you need a fainting couch, perhaps next to the treadmill, 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: so that you could gracefully fall in my modern day courset. Yes, 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: and Caroline, I've been wanting an excuse to learn more 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: about waste training, not because I am interested in training 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: my waist um. But because I've been seeing billboards around 20 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: Atlanta for waste trainers. Oh yes, I've seen some billboards, 21 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: and some girlfriends of mine have mentioned it, and I mean, 22 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: I'm aware of Kim Kardashian and I may or may 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: not follow her on Instagram because that's that's just what 24 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: you do. And she and her sisters take selfies every 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: now and then of them wearing these waste trainers, and 26 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: it has partially things to Kim, but also two stars 27 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: like Jessica Alba and Amber Rose. A lot of other 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: women have turned to waste training, and it's also become 29 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: one of those cottage industries like selling scented candles or 30 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: perfumes or tupperware out of your home. I'm serious, where 31 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: women are now selling them too to their friends. So 32 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: it's a whole little little industry that's bubbled up. That's 33 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: really interesting because unlike tupperware, which actually does keep your 34 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: food fresh, waste training does not actually help you get 35 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: in shape. Oh but waste trainers would beg to differ, 36 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: and they may beg that I will decline. Well, this 37 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: is going to be is be a highly heated conversation. 38 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: It sounds like heated, because well, you gotta work up 39 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: a sweat to burn off. I am literally sweating in 40 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: my corset. Are you wearing a corset right now? Just 41 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: a mental the mental bombs. Well, this is true, Caroline, 42 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: that if you wear a corset it will change the 43 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: shape of your waist. It absolutely will. Now, of course, 44 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: when you take off that corset after a while, it's 45 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: a different case. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Um. 46 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: Generally speaking, the nose and of waste training is something 47 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: that women have been doing for a long time ever 48 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: throughout the history. Of course, it's this was more technically 49 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: referred to as tight lacing, of lacing your corset and 50 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: wearing it in such a way to achieve a smaller 51 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: and smaller looking waist. Yeah, whereas today refers particularly to 52 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: exercising wearing a a sort of a belly band type 53 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: waste trainer. New ag that sounds like it's en yea 54 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: and enny of course that you're you're an Enya courset. 55 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: It's so so peaceful. But the one that that I 56 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: saw Kim Kardashian wearing in a lot of pictures, it's 57 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: not like she's wearing, you know, the silken whalebone corset 58 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: that victorians were donning in in the course, it's popular age. 59 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: She's wearing something that's it's like, it's like a sporty corset. 60 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: It's a sporting course, but a lot of them are 61 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: still steel bone and restrict your mobility. And for intensive 62 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: waste trainers, you not only wear them to exercise, but 63 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: it's also recommended that you wear them four to six 64 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: hours a day during your daily routine. If you're really 65 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: intense about it. You'll even sleep in the thing if 66 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: you can manage to sleep in it. Yeah. And it's 67 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: supposedly wearing this corset, whether you're working out in it, 68 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: sleeping in it, or all of the above, is it's 69 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: supposed to promote water weight loss around the midsection and 70 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: make it almost impossible to eat a regular sized meal. 71 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you're feeling super constricted and 72 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: your stomachs pulled in and you feel like your whole 73 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: rib cage is kind of getting sucked in, I've been 74 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: eating like a big cheeseburger dinner, isn't going to feel 75 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: like it's the best idea. Yeah, you can't make it 76 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: physically impossible to stuff yourself. Yeah, And so anatomically speaking, 77 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: the whole goal is to narrow that space between your 78 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: hips and your rib cage. And expert corset maker and 79 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: where Autumn atom speaking to wracked swears by not only 80 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: the way slimming effect of wearing a corset more of 81 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: corset than a Kim Kardashian style waste trainer, but also 82 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: just the impact of standing up straight. Well, I can 83 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: see that you want a posture posture helper, Yeah, I 84 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: mean the pot But when you sit up straight, it 85 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: naturally causes you. As my MoMA taught me growing up, 86 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: it teaches you to hold in your stomach. You naturally 87 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: constrict those abdomen muscles a little bit more. Um. But 88 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: it is important, as we're talking about waste trainers and 89 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: corsets to not confuse fitness oriented waste training with fetish 90 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: oriented tight lacing, because when it comes to modern corsetry, 91 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: some people will wear corsets as we think of them 92 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: in the more Victorian Edwardian context, for historical garb, but 93 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: some also will wear them for fetish purposes. You really 94 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: enjoy that kind of tight lacing. It can be a 95 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: form of bondage. And Kelly Lee Decay is someone who 96 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: knows a lot about this and does not want to 97 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: be associated with wasted training. Yeah, she has a teeny 98 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: tiny waist when she puts on her corset, it's just 99 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: sixteen inches, and she is no newbie to this whole thing. 100 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: I mean, she's been wearing this teeny tiny corset for 101 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: seven years or more. She says, I'm not a waste trainer. 102 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm a tight laser. I'm a corset fetishist, and my 103 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: tight lysing goes beyond vanity. I love the artistry in 104 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: the construction of the corset and the people who are 105 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: a part of that culture. So no, Kim Kardashian and 106 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: Kelly Lee Decay are not pursuing the same end. Yeah, 107 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: And in that interview with Cosmopolitan, Decay goes on to 108 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: clarify how, yes, she's also a feminist, that this is 109 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: part of her body image and expression and her sexuality 110 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 1: and it's all part of the same thing. So um 111 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: So it's kind of interesting to see all of the 112 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: conversations that crop up any time any sort of course 113 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: a tree is mentioned. Yeah, she definitely mentions the whole 114 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: the whole choice politics thing in her feminism of you know, 115 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: you might not agree with this. You might not like this, 116 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: but you don't really get to tell me what to 117 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: do with my body. I enjoy having a sixteen inch waist, 118 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: so that's that's how that is. And she claimed it's 119 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: very comfortable, which probably after seven years of wearing a corset, 120 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: you you get used to it. And as expert corset 121 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: makers will tell you, if you have one that is 122 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: fitted properly to your body, it shouldn't be as uncomfortable 123 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: as we would imagine. Yeah, a lot of course. It 124 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: makers really hammer home having an understanding of anatomy because 125 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: ideally your organs would not be squished or or malformed 126 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: or anything like that. Um. So hopefully when you're buying 127 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: your corsets, you're buying up from somebody who knows what 128 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: they're doing. But there is always the advice to buy 129 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: one first off the rack before you get one specialty made, 130 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: because your waist just nips in so fast and I 131 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: think the course it's too stretch out to a degree, 132 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: I guess unless they're steel boned. Yeah, maybe that's the 133 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: whole thing of buying it off the rack first, see 134 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: how you like it, and so if it does stretch out, 135 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: you can just toss it. If you just throw it 136 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: away with all your braws, just burn, burn the course, 137 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: burn the course. That's what Victorian feminists were doing. Well, 138 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: we speaking of course, it's we need to give a 139 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: little bit of corset history, because while waste training is 140 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: a new exercise fad, it isn't anything new this idea 141 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: of using this kind of specific shape where to alter 142 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: our feminine silhouette. Yeah, women in Crete about three thousand 143 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: years ago are actually thought to be the first women 144 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: to don these corset like body shaping garments that covered 145 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: the waist and hips. So not exactly what you would 146 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: think of when you think of that stereotypical Victorian corset, 147 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: but still a body shaping garment nonetheless. But speaking of 148 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: Victorians and their course, it's we did get a lot 149 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: of great perspective from articles at our own website, how 150 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com, but also Collector's Weekly, which we've 151 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: cited a number of times on the podcast, and a 152 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: lot of course IT fans as well. As these articles 153 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: do point out that there are a lot of sort 154 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: of courset wearing myths out there. Yeah, the notion that 155 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: Victorian women had their ribs removed in order to achieve 156 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: tinier waste is complete myth because ay, the medical technology 157 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: at the time would have made that a very high 158 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: mortality rate kind of operation. Um. And of course it's 159 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: though we're a lot of times worn, particularly for wealthier 160 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: young girls from an early age, and in that case 161 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: they might permanently bend the rib cages because if you 162 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: think about the growing developing body, if you're wearing this 163 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: kind of shapewear in the same way that you might 164 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: think of foot binding, yeah it can it can alter 165 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: that anatomy as well. But no one was pulling a 166 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: god in the garden of Eden and like ripping out 167 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: a rib here and there, pulling the god pull it 168 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: always pulling a god on well, I mean yeah. We 169 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: read this thesis by Katherine Marie Clingerman called Binding Femininity 170 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: and Examination of the Effects of tight Lacing on the 171 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: Female Pelvis, and Clingerman does mention that both girls and 172 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: boys wore these sort of binding garments for a while 173 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: in childhood because it was associated so strongly with proper development, 174 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: and so not only was the course that part of 175 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: proper attire for a lot of girls and women, but 176 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: it was considered part of normal, healthy development. Making sure 177 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: you grew up tall, straight and strong um and scolios 178 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: is in a lot of cases, according to Clingerman, was 179 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: blamed on not being properly laced up into your shaping garment. Well, 180 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: and these days, if you do develop scoliosis, a lot 181 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: of times you will wear a corset like back brace, 182 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: which is not the same thing as a waste trainer, 183 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: right exactly. And speaking of today and waste training, there's 184 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: not a lot of good opinions of it when you 185 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: when you ask the doctors about the topic. For instance, 186 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: Leslie Heinberg, who's the director of Behavioral Sciences for the 187 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: Bariatric and Metabolic Institute of the Cleveland Clinic, explained that, hey, 188 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, if a woman wants to wear spanks to 189 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: get a smoother look, that's understandable, But wearing a course 190 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: it isn't a good choice for weight loss intervention or 191 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: even physiologically. Not a lot of doctors on the side 192 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: of waste training. Yeah. Doctor Caroline Apovian, who's a professor 193 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: of medicine at Boston University School of Medicine and a 194 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:59,479 Speaker 1: spokesperson for the Obesity Society, has been pretty outspoken against 195 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: waste training. She told Health Dot com in my opinion, 196 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: it's complete nonsense. And other doctors as well, like Nicole Florence, 197 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: who's the co director of Memorial Weight Loss and Wellness 198 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: Center at Memorial Medical Center, highlight how even though you 199 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: might be seeing a different, more I pleasing shape on 200 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: the outside, the reshaping that is going on on the 201 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: inside isn't so good. Um. And Dr Florence, speaking to 202 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: Ebny magazine highlights how restricting that movement in your mid 203 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: section can also restrict your lungs, which can lead to 204 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: lung problems, as well as restricting your bowels, which can 205 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: cause constipation, Which makes me think, are we trading a 206 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: smaller looking waist temporarily for not being able to poop 207 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: well and lung infections? But I'm not being able to 208 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 1: poop and not being able to poop. Yeah, So you're 209 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: you're slimming things down just so that when you take 210 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: it off, things are a little bloated. Yeah, I mean, 211 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: and on top of that, there's a possibility of bruising 212 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: and rib pain. Um. And yeah, I mean, you're not 213 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: necessarily breaking any ribs to do this, and um. Old 214 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: myths about wearing corset's like misshaping your liver and giving 215 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: people tuberculosis aren't true, but it's still not very healthy 216 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: overall if you're wearing them every day for the recommended 217 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: four to six hours. Oh and by the way, if 218 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: you want to get real results, then go ahead and 219 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: sleep in it too. And one thing in reading about 220 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: all of this, it was in the back of my 221 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: mind the whole time, was the issue of like, Okay, well, 222 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: if you've got this outside force supporting your middle all 223 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: the time, does that not just make the muscles that 224 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: are meant to do that anyway get weaker? And I 225 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: was really concerned about this fact, and I looked it 226 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: up in there. There is some stuff on on like 227 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: the very atric belly band websites about like if people 228 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: are using that those types of of cinctures for non 229 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: approved medical use, and they use them for too long, 230 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: then it can cause some of those muscles to get weaker. 231 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: Because that's what your core is. Your your core, your 232 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: natural courset is to to hold you up and and 233 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: make sure that you are sitting up straight well. And 234 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be more challenging to strengthen that natural core, 235 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: Caroline if you develop something like oh, I don't know, 236 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: a hiatus hernia, which at one point was a certain 237 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: type of it linked to tight lacing in the Victorian era, 238 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: was named for Dr Samuel Thomas von Summering, who warned 239 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: against the health dangers of tight lacing and finally got 240 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: a hernia named after him, so he got that, He 241 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: got that that feather in his cap. It can also 242 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: cause Glennard's disease, which comes about if you are a 243 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: long term tight laser, and it is marked by that 244 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: muscle atrophy. But not only that, it's marked by a 245 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: shifting of the organs away from their natural position. That 246 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: sounds horrifying. I want my organs to stay where they are, 247 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: where they're supposed to be. I know me too. I mean, 248 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm area. I already have no idea what's going on 249 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: in there, and that weirds me out enough to imagine 250 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: them moving around, because I mean, you've already think about 251 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: You've already got your uterus floating around, and so it's 252 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: already pushing the organs around. Crystal. Well, speaking Caroline, this 253 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: is a total side note, But speaking of your wandering 254 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: womb guys, back in the Victorian era, a lot of 255 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: them actually weren't huge fans of course a treat because 256 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: tight lacing was a thought to be a cause of hysteria. 257 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: So if you're if you're squeezing, you're crazy, yout around crazy, 258 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: you too tightly, excuse me, then it might make you crazy. 259 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: But isn't that funny though? Isn't that funny that? Yes, 260 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: that's an extreme exam bull but so many things that 261 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: women do to sort of fit what society tells them 262 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: they're supposed to look like, in this case literally fitting 263 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: like literally tying a corset around themselves to fit. Yes, 264 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: I mean, this is what waste training is today, and 265 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: it's what we've been doing for hundreds of years now, 266 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: just wearing different kinds of shapewear and moving our bodies 267 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: or not moving our bodies in certain kinds of ways 268 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: in order to emulate an ideal. And right now, I mean, 269 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: think about the kinds of more quote unquote bombshell silhouettes 270 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: that are in vogue. It is Kim Kardashian, Indeedavanti's and 271 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: Christina Hendrix and Nicki Minaj, and absolutely nothing wrong with 272 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: those women being seen as sex symbols. The question is 273 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: how far are we going to go to try to 274 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: look like them? And when we come back from a 275 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: quick break, we'll talk about more ways in which that 276 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: waste training really doesn't work. So if you go into 277 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: Instagram and search the hashtag waste training, you will get 278 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: so many photos, Caroline, I sat there for a good 279 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: let's just say five minutes, which is a whole minute. 280 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: It's a long time to look at waste training photos 281 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: and videos, and there are so many selfies. That's the 282 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: whole thing too, is that this waste training fat is 283 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: not just about working out on your own. It's a 284 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: very public performance as well, because you've got to do 285 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: the selfie. Compared to ashion as a selfie, so you 286 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: got to take the selfie. And of course also if 287 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: you are one of those people selling waste trainers, then 288 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: you definitely got a selfie to show off. Hey, ladies, 289 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: look at me and my trainer. Don't you want to 290 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: look like me? Let me sell you one if it, 291 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: if it really worked, would would you need so many selfies? 292 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: Well that's an excellent question. But I also think that 293 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: it's just part of the entire fad and our entire 294 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: culture today because think about fitspiration, workout selfies in general. 295 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: I mean the times that I have necessarily seen photos 296 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: of snooky weightlifting. It's so far are you following fucking Caroline? 297 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I have my indulgences on Instagram. 298 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: Thank you, I like, I like, I like, I like. 299 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: It better to imagine that you're just like being bombarded 300 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: with like snooky workout pictures, like wherever you go, just 301 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: like pops up. You just can't avoid them. It's all 302 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: pop up ads all the time. But in real life 303 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: they pop up on the sidewalks, in the bathrooms, in 304 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: my closet. Um. But but it's true though, like there 305 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: are those particular kinds of celebrities in quotes or fit 306 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: mis Instagram stars who who are constantly posting photos of 307 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: themselves working out. Does Kim legitimate question? Does Kim Kardashian 308 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: have her own brand a voice trainer? No, she doesn't. 309 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: But I have a pet theory that the Kardashian sisters 310 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: initially got into just kind of testing the waters of 311 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: this whole waist training thing, because of course it's with 312 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: a k is a Kardashian product waiting to happen. What 313 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: I wonder if the case would be backwards, like somehow, 314 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how that would work somebody who does logos. 315 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure you could figure it out. Are we already 316 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: working at the logo for Kardashian corsets with a K? Absolutely? 317 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: I want to get on on this on the ground floor. Well, Caroline, 318 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I will say, if we want to beat 319 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: them to the punch CEE and see see C C C. 320 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: Christen and Caroline's corsets. But yeah, no, yeah, because that's 321 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: how those things are really spelled. So yes, but actually 322 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: it's just a pizza shape like a corset. Help, but 323 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: treat yourself, you know. Well, okay, so the people are 324 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: dying to know, and I'm a little curious too because 325 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: I am such I'm I'm one step beyond skeptic, which 326 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: is a poop o er. I think a professional pooper. 327 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 1: I think it's hashtag disdain. So so I need I 328 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: need to know, and the people need to know if 329 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: these things actually work. Well, here's the thing. Okay, there 330 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: are other people that I have talked to who still 331 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: swear up and down waste trainers work. I mean, you 332 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: have Jessica Alba, who famously told some tabloids sometime that 333 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: right after she had a baby, she wore a waste trainer, 334 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: and it shrunk her uterus back to its pre baby size. 335 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: And here are the waste training myths that we need 336 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: to debunk because listen, listeners, I waste anytime in our 337 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: lives wearing an uncomfortable corset and getting just sweaty stomachs. 338 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: It's hard enough for me to our pants. I know 339 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: it's true. So the fact of the matter is that 340 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: waste trainers just compress your stomach and push fat around. 341 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: They don't actually get rid of the fat, right, Because 342 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: what gets rid of fat eating healthier, eating less fat, 343 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: eating less exercising, getting active, burning those calories, working that core, 344 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: working that core. Well, there was that trainer talking to 345 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: Harper's Bizarre magazine that we read, saying it's not just 346 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: about wearing it, it's about exercising while you wear it 347 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: to help spot reduce the stomach. And here's the thing. 348 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: When it comes to spot reducing, that is not actually 349 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: it's not possible. That is not how our bodies work. 350 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: If your stomach gets really, really really sweaty, as it 351 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: does when you wear this thing, or when I'm wearing pants, 352 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: like Caroline is wearing your trash bag pants every day 353 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: to work, it is very loud switches all around. That 354 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that your stomach is the only thing that's 355 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: going to right right right. I mean, we we touched 356 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: on that concept in our in our episode on cankles, 357 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: and that you you can't. There is aerobic exercise and 358 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: strength exercise and stretching exercises that you can do for 359 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: your whole body that will benefit your health overall and 360 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: might shrink address size or whatever. But you're not going 361 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: to spot reduce an ankle or spot reduce a stomach. 362 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: Sure you can do all the sit ups and crunches 363 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: and ad work in the world, but you still have 364 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: You're still gonna have if you have fat, you have fat. 365 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: It's not just like going to be like we're going 366 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: to migrate to the arms and the legs instead, let's 367 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: go fat shells. Here we go, because it's straight to 368 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: your boobs. We're not wanted. Let's go else, Let's go 369 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: straight to your But you're welcome. If only that is 370 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: how it works, if you just kind of I think 371 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: our little impression of fatsils just made me like them 372 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: a little more. Hey Caroline, Hey just gotta hang out here, Okay, 373 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: stay in the boots, don't go anywhere else, stay put. 374 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: And the thing to keep in mind is too, if 375 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: you do wear a waste trainer and you're exercising and 376 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: you're saying, all of a sudden, my body is so 377 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: much slimmer, it has to be that thing about how 378 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: much you're eating. Yeah, you can't eat as much when 379 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: you wear these things. So yes, your body will very 380 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: much change, probably change shape in some way or another 381 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: by virtue of wearing these, but it's not the healthiest 382 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: way to do it. And when it comes to that 383 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: post pregnancy weight loss factor, the uterus shrinks in its 384 00:23:54,680 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: own time. Squeezing it back down is not how that 385 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: works well. And we should mention too that there are 386 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: medical reasons why some people might wear a corset like garments. 387 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah we mentioned earlier, wearing a brace for scoliosis to 388 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: help straighten the spine, or wearing non surgical lap bands 389 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: for people who have had bariatric bypass surgery. Um I 390 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: mean scoliosis. Braces are designed to actually support your bones, 391 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: they're not meant to reshape anything internal. And you also 392 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: have to keep in mind that bariatric patients are also 393 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: adhering to specific dieting regiments. It's not like people are 394 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: just handed some sort of band or support device and 395 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: like magically they're better or thinner or whatever. Um, there's 396 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: more that needs to happen to change your body. Well. 397 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: I wonder though, if part of the waste trainer appeal 398 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: is how where in it when you go to work 399 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: out you do look thinner. Maybe it's psychologically tricks you 400 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: into wanting to work out more because you're instantly seeing 401 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: results in quotes, Yeah, I mean total placebo effect. Perhaps 402 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: we've seen that with compression garments too, with for for athletes. Yeah, 403 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: And speaking of compression garments, there's also increasing research that 404 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: that kind of apparel that ostensibly improves blood flow during 405 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: workouts is also placebo effect. It might be good to 406 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: wear after a workout to reduce swelling, but unless your 407 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: doctor has recommended that you wear those calf compression socks 408 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: or the arm bands, I mean, you can feel like 409 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: you can get like a whole head to toe suit, 410 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: the scuba suit if you really want one. Now they're 411 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: so popular that it's really just our minds tricking us 412 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: into thinking that we're getting more bang for our work 413 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: out book. Yeah, because the study we read about that 414 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: NPR reported on they gave compression garments to a bunch 415 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: of athletes and told them to go work out or 416 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: go work out without them. See how your workouts affected 417 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: And the only people who actually performed better with the 418 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: compression garment where the people who already believed that those 419 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: garments would help them. Is it a little like Emperor's 420 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: New clothes going on? It is? But like super like 421 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: more more sassy, more sassy, and so expensive and yeah, 422 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: a little shiny, Yeah, and shapewear, all of spanks are 423 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: not off the hook either. No, wearing spanks is not 424 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: the same as wearing a waste trainer. But if you 425 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: wear shapewear, especially super super tight shapewear that it's probably 426 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: too small for you, for hours and hours at a time, 427 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: is not doing your insights any favors either. No. And 428 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: I just think about those interviews I've read with celebrities 429 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: on the red carpet who are like, I'm wearing too 430 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: pairs of spanks to really suck it in, And I'm like, 431 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: can you feel your toes? Can please tell me? Can 432 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: you feel your extremities? Are you okay? Well, here's the thing, Caroline. 433 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: My answer would be no, because I prefer to wear 434 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: the spangs on my toes to really get that slim, 435 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: slender look, you know for sandal season, right to to 436 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: really get those finger toes. My toe love handles are 437 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: out of control. But you gotta wear blousy shoes. The 438 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: puppy shoes are so forgiving. The route right really hides 439 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: hides the curve. Yeah, and in a in a nice 440 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: zebra print you you won't even see him. But no, 441 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: for reals, um that whole shapewear thing, wearing it for 442 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: extended periods of time, Like Chris and said, well, it 443 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 1: may not be as serious an effect as wearing a 444 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: corset wearing a waste trainer, it's still going to have 445 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: an effect. It's still going to result in a compressed stomach, 446 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: possibly compressed intestines and colon. You also could experience things 447 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: like indigestion and shallow breath. I can vouch for the 448 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: shallow breath thing of putting one of those things on, 449 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: like those suckers, and you've gotta like, you gotta give 450 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: yourself an extra three hours to get ready, just so 451 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: you can lie down and pull it up so it 452 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: gets like right under your boobs because you still want 453 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: to be wearing just like a pretty bra over your 454 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: your freak is shapewear. And by the time you finally 455 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: get that sucker on your sweating and you're like, I, 456 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: I want to take a deep, refreshing, rejuvenatory that's not 457 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: a word breath, but I can't because I'm being sucked 458 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 1: in and my colon who knows where that went? Well? 459 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: And then Caroline, if you start to feel tingling, numbness 460 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: or pain in your thighs, it's probably due to peripheral 461 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: nerve compression, which is also related to wearing shapewear for 462 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: extended periods of time, which you can also lead to 463 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: blood clods. So great, and you mentioned being sweaty and 464 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: this being covering a large portion of your body, Folks, 465 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: Shapewear also leads to yeast and bacterial infections because it's 466 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: not very breathable. You're getting some moisture in there, and 467 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: follicles can get clogged. I believe foliculitis is one of 468 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: the most common conditions that dermatologists are now seeing among 469 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: women in particular who wear shapewear every day. Your skin's 470 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: gotta breathe, Your skin's gotta breathe. That's the largest organ 471 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: in your body. And yes, I don't know if we 472 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: just blew anybody's mind that you can get yeast infections 473 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: and yeast colonies on your skin that are not just 474 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: in the vaginal area. And for people who experience irritable 475 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: bowel syndrome but wear shapewear because especially due to that 476 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: intestinal compression that happens, it can be it can throw 477 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: that that balance off even more. And when it comes 478 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: to our urinary tract health, a lot of times when 479 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: women wear spanks, they report existing the urge to go 480 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: to the bathroom because you don't want to have to 481 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: take that whole thing off and then have to put 482 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: it back on again. And so we hold our pe 483 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: to put it scientifically, which can promote U t eyes. 484 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: Oh mine had a hole really yeah? Mine mine were 485 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: open crotch like much like Queen Victoria, but so much tighter. Yeah, 486 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: but it's still awkward because you still don't want to 487 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: pee in them because it's not like it's just fully 488 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: open and there's a lot of kind of wrangling and 489 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: maneuvering that has to happen. And so well, yes, in 490 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: the pair that I possessed you might have been able 491 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: to pee, It's not like it was completely unimpeded, and 492 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: so you might still end up holding it unimpeded. I 493 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: was unintentional. I mean doctors say that. Listen, They're fine 494 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: for special occasions, if you need to walk the red 495 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: carpet where your banks like we do all the time, 496 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: or whatever brand of shape where you prefer. But wearing 497 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: it every day and wearing it super duper tight is 498 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: just hands down not great for your body. And circling 499 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: back to waste training. With all of this, the best 500 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: thing that you can do for your body is exercise, 501 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: strengthen your core, work those muscles, and eat healthily if 502 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: you can. And you know what if as you're doing that, 503 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: your body shape does not conform to the hour glass 504 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: that is popular right now. First of all, weight five 505 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: ten years and another shape is going to come in style. 506 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: And second of all, it is perhaps time for us 507 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: to reevaluate how these aspirational body types can really wreck 508 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: our own body images and our own health. Yeah. I mean, 509 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: this isn't the first time on the podcast that we've 510 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: said that it's probably not a great idea to think 511 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: of bodies as trends. Everybody is a different body and 512 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: that's all right. And you know, as long as you're 513 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: taking care of yourself, you know, I think you can 514 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: leave the waiste trainer behind and awesome that people who 515 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: are waste training are exercising, that's fantastic. Just take the 516 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: waist trainer off because even if you might see results immediately, 517 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: if you stop wearing it for a few days a 518 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, your body will resume it's pre waste 519 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: training shape. So it's just like crash dieting. Yeah, and 520 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Kristen, you know, I I bet before too long, 521 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: when you when you log into your Instagram account, uh, 522 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: you won't even see Kim Kardashian wearing that or snook 523 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: Eer whoever is bombarding you with their exercise images. It 524 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: will be something else, like in a year from now. Yeah. 525 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: But I will say one other disturbing thing about this 526 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: is that it's not just women doing it. Teenagers are 527 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: doing it as well. Right, we just don't waste train please. 528 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: We did read that one article from the doctor who 529 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: saw the young girl who had developed all of this 530 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: numbness because she in addition to her entire soccer team, 531 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: we're wearing shapewear under their soccer uniforms. No, it's not 532 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: worth it. We need to love our bodies, especially especially 533 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: if you're already using it to be active and athletic. 534 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: There's no there's no need for shapewear on the soccer field, 535 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: and there are ways to wear and enjoy corsertry and 536 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: even shapewear, Like we said, special occasions totally fine, we 537 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: get it, but it's reaching this like fever pitch that 538 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: is a little concerning, to say the least. So we 539 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: I know there's got to be at least some waste 540 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: trainers in the audience, and I really want to know 541 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: from you what you think about all of this, or 542 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: if there are any corset fans who are so tired 543 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: of people confusing corsetry as you wear it with waste training. 544 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: Let us know all of your thoughts. Mom Stuff at 545 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com is our email address. You 546 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: can also tweet us at mom Stuff podcast and messages 547 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: on Facebook, and we've got a couple of messages to 548 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: share with you right now. Well, I have a letter 549 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: here from Nicole in response to our Electronic Women episode. 550 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: She says, well, I'm no longer active in the scene. 551 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: I used to be heavily involved in electronic music in 552 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties and into early two thousand. I was 553 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: one of the few women, to my knowledge, who was 554 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: actively writing and releasing electronic music at the time in 555 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: the scene I was involved in. I ran my own 556 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: studio full of SyncE and Mac based sequencing and recording programs, 557 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: a record label, and released electronic music here in the 558 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: States as well as in roup in Japan. Go Nicole, 559 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: I want to clarify some terminology you brought up in 560 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: addition to expanding some ideas about what electronic music is today, 561 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: I noticed you all used the term DJ to speak 562 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: of modern electronic music. DJ, of course, is for disc jockey, 563 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: and while I was creating music, DJs were typically the 564 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: people who were behind the turntables spinning music other artists created. Usually, 565 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: and this wasn't always the case, they were not the 566 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: ones creating the music themselves. When I was composing music 567 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: using synths and computers, I never called myself a DJ, 568 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: even while I worked with some of them on occasion 569 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: creating music in their shows. DJ was a label that 570 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 1: did not show the scope of what I and many 571 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: of my contemporaries were doing at the time, Square Pusher, 572 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: a f X Twin, Richard Divine, and many others. Well. 573 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: Much of the work we were all doing in this 574 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: intelligent dance music scene had an element of dance music. 575 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: It was more complicated and nuanced than what was coming 576 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: out in clubs and raves, thus the term intelligent being 577 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 1: used to describe it. So I believe electronic musician might 578 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: be a more appropriate term to use to distinguish between 579 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: those who spin and those who compose music that DJs 580 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: use in their shows, in addition to the other types 581 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: of music they create that arn't for the dance floor. Also, 582 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: it would have been great to bring up the role 583 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: of electronic music in today's film scoring. There's a scarcity 584 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: here of women, sadly, but I think that by relegating 585 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,959 Speaker 1: electronic music today to existing only in the dance music scene, 586 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: it's controlled by DJ's, it's limiting composers, especially for small 587 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: budget films, rely heavily on the use of electronic equipment 588 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: to sequence, orchestrate and score the pieces they do for films. 589 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: I hope this helps expand some of the concepts you 590 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: all brought up. Thank you, Nicole, and obviously the ten 591 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: hour podcast that we did on women in Electronic Music 592 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: could expand to fill a month, and so we are 593 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: so appreciative of people like you who are sending us 594 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: in all of wonderful extra information. Well, speaking of expanding 595 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,280 Speaker 1: our insights, I've got an email here from alexand Andrea 596 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: about our podcast on Dolora Suerta a little while back. 597 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: She writes, I've been listening to your podcast for a 598 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: few years now and I love it. I bet you 599 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: get tired of hearing that and ps, Nope, we never do. Um, 600 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: she writes, I do have some comments regarding your Dolora 601 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: square To episode of some time ago. Yes, she is 602 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: a strong Latina woman. Yes what she did had a 603 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: profoundly positive effect on our country. And yes, as a 604 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: transplanted New Mexican, I'm even more proud and even a 605 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: little bit ashamed that her students aren't taught who she is. However, 606 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: there is a long, very long history of strong Latinas 607 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: throughout the Southwest in Mexico. Two examples that come to 608 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: mind are the women of the Silver City Minor Strike 609 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: and the Solda Datas. The Silver City Minor Strike in 610 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: the early fifties would not have been successful without the 611 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 1: hard work and dedication of Latinas who took the men's 612 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: places in picket lines and even struck for improved living conditions. 613 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: The Solda data, while sometimes worst into what amounted to 614 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: slave labor, or a group of strong Latinas who cooked, cleaned, 615 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: and took care of men in every imaginable way, including 616 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: fighting alongside them. I guess what I'm saying is is 617 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: that this s say, pointy attitude is something that is 618 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: a characteristic we see in Mexican and Mexican American women 619 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: throughout history. Dolora Squerta's work is and has been wonderful, 620 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: but she comes from a long, long line of hard 621 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: working Latinas who know how to pull their own weight 622 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: and the weight of their entire family, men included. Keep 623 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: up the great work, Alexandra, and thanks so much for 624 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: highlighting those women. Alexandria. 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