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Speaker 1: How was your Fourth of July holiday?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Mine was a rollercoaster.

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Speaker 2: So I went through a really traumatic loss of my mother,

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Speaker 2: and it was right after I was revisiting my horrible divorce,

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Speaker 2: and yes, then I went through a breakup. It was

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Speaker 2: something that I kept to myself. It was something that

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Speaker 2: I mourned on my own, and I did therapy and

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Speaker 2: I did the work, and I just didn't feel like

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Speaker 2: it needed to be shared. It was a breakup that

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Speaker 2: I wanted to process alone, privately, and I didn't feel

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Speaker 2: that I owed anybody any explanation. And the breakup was

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Speaker 2: something that I initiated. I wasn't happy, something needed to change.

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Speaker 2: It was certainly mutual. The relationship had its challenges, and

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Speaker 2: nobody dumped anybody, but I went through it. I was

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Speaker 2: scared because of my past and my abandonment issues. I

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Speaker 2: get very scared when there's any sort of change in

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Speaker 2: someone you depend on and someone that you love.

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Speaker 1: But I knew that it was ultimately.

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Speaker 2: The right thing, and I really made peace with it,

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Speaker 2: and I was happy. I was thriving and I was surviving.

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Speaker 2: I was looking good, feeling good. I was in therapy.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't medicating with men I wasn't distracting. I was

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Speaker 2: comfortable being alone. I was in a place that I

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Speaker 2: had decided I wanted to be, and I was happy

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Speaker 2: and strong, enjoying the summer.

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Speaker 1: With my daughter.

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Speaker 2: And then I get hit with an onslaught of articles. Now,

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Speaker 2: let me review when we first broke up. There was

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Speaker 2: an article saying that my act was publicly making out

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Speaker 2: with a woman, and that's how people assumed that we

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Speaker 2: broke up. I didn't clarify anything. I wasn't even upset.

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Speaker 2: I just was dealing with my own issues and that

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Speaker 2: was a blip on the radar. It was not good

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Speaker 2: judgment based on the fact that I'm a public person,

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Speaker 2: but I was really focusing on myself. And then last

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Speaker 2: week I started to see my name in headlines being

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Speaker 2: portrayed as the jilted X who had been upgraded from

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Speaker 2: that my ex had moved on from me with a

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Speaker 2: younger woman, and that it regurgitated the continuous narrative that

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Speaker 2: he is a very under the radar person who had

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Speaker 2: now gotten serious to someone, had a girlfriend, met her family,

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Speaker 2: met her kids, she had met his kids. He was

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Speaker 2: in a serious relationship. He had bought her present, and

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Speaker 2: they were a new unit, and the media presented me

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Speaker 2: as some sort of spinster that's just home crying, suffering

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Speaker 2: a breakup and watching this new transition, when in fact

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Speaker 2: I was really happy. I was really happy. But when

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Speaker 2: you get hit with headlines that are explaining the details

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Speaker 2: of a new relationship in quotes that have been placed

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Speaker 2: by people, you know, when it's basically saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: Paul's a very under the radar guy. That indicates that

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Speaker 2: I'm an over the radar girl and that he couldn't

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Speaker 2: handle the relationship, when, like I said, the breakup was

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Speaker 2: initiated by me. It was mutual, and I was upset

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Speaker 2: by it and scared about it towards the end and

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Speaker 2: on sure, but it's something that I ultimately was happy about.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a relationship I wanted to be in, and

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Speaker 2: it wasn't a person that I wanted to be with anymore.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, for many reasons that I really had

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Speaker 2: to come to terms with. And everyone has experienced and

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Speaker 2: breaking up with someone and then hearing about them with

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Speaker 1: We've all been there. Now times that by one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Because you're reading it all day every day in articles,

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Speaker 2: people are messaging you people are asking you for You're okay,

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Speaker 2: You're going through a breakup again.

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Speaker 2: Read quotes from people directly saying Paul moved on from

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Speaker 2: Bethany very quickly. He's met her family, he's met her kids,

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Speaker 2: she's met his kids. They had sex all weekend. They

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Speaker 2: committed to each other on the first date. Like it

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Speaker 2: was endless. It was insane. It's like you're inside someone

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Speaker 2: else's relationship and you didn't ask for any of this,

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Speaker 2: and this woman is talking about this very publicly, so

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Speaker 2: she's sharing all of the details of their brand new

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Speaker 2: relationship that has been happening for six weeks, right after

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Speaker 2: the details of our breakup, but it certainly was shocking.

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Speaker 2: It was definitely shocking, and it's embarrassing hearing about your

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Speaker 2: ex fiance committing to another woman shortly thereafter on their

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Speaker 2: first date, and then being inside their relationship, hearing about

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Speaker 1: And the level of commitment was gutting. It was brutal.

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Speaker 2: The one thing that was difficult was constantly reading the

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Speaker 2: the villain, the spinster, the old maid, the one upgraded

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Speaker 2: one who was very much under the radar. And I

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Speaker 2: just want to say that I'm okay. I mean it

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Speaker 2: was rough because I had to experience the same breakup twice,

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Speaker 2: hear about all these details. And you know, I do

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Speaker 2: let the truth get in the way of a good story.

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Speaker 2: I am in therapy, I am working on myself. I

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Speaker 2: am confident, I am single, I am independent, I am happy,

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Speaker 2: and I will survive this. The only thing I'll leave

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Speaker 2: you with is as a woman, I think we have

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Speaker 2: to think about the other woman in any situation. So

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Speaker 2: if you're the new woman in a relationship, I think

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Speaker 2: both positions, and I think by sharing all the details

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Speaker 2: of your new relationship, you're disrespecting the last relationship. And

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Speaker 2: I learned a lot during this experience. I'm sure this

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Speaker 2: I stayed quiet. I just let it play out. And

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Speaker 2: it was really, really rough, and I'm proud of myself

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Speaker 2: and I'm proud of the way that I handled it.

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Speaker 2: And I think this woman has learned a lot too.

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Speaker 2: And I think that everybody lost in this situation because

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Speaker 2: their actions cost them their relationship, which was brand new,

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Speaker 2: and who knows what would have happened. Incidentally, I have

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Speaker 2: messaged with Olivia Culpo. I reached out to her before

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Speaker 2: this media spectacle got out of hand, and she responded

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Speaker 2: and she was really nice and said she's a fan

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Speaker 2: was actually a nice, warm blanket during this whole crazy thing.

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Speaker 2: So maybe she'll come on the podcast. Congratulations Olivia. I

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Speaker 2: hope you have a beautiful, beautiful life with your new husband.

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Speaker 2: So I hope you had a better week than I did.

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Speaker 2: I hope there's something you can take away from this.

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Speaker 2: But I love you all. I'm good, I'm happy, and

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Speaker 2: ready to start dating again. Well, I guess life actually

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Speaker 2: is a cabaret. So I went to a party this weekend.

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Speaker 2: I've been in my social era and this guy, Jason Weinberg,

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Speaker 1: He's a big time manager.

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Speaker 2: And it's like the ghosts of Christmas past this party.

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Speaker 2: You see people that you've known your whole life, and

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Speaker 2: everybody sees it this way, meaning my first publicist, the

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Speaker 2: woman who owns Say Beauty, John Hamm, Neil Patrick Harris,

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Speaker 2: Ralph Macchio. Like it's literally like a fever dream or

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Speaker 2: like a bizarre movie that you it's it's so crazy,

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Speaker 2: you see, I could name twenty other people that I saw,

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Speaker 1: A girl who was at my wedding, like just so many.

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Speaker 2: Jill Martin was there, John and Lizzie Tish were there,

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Speaker 2: endless people that you're just like, wait a second. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: I bring Brinn because the people have their kids too.

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Speaker 2: And out of the corner of my eye, I see Luene,

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Speaker 2: her face goes like devious and she's just like mom

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Speaker 2: because she likes she knows that, like Kelly said, I

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Speaker 2: was a chef and not a cook and not a chef,

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Speaker 2: and like she knows that life is not a cabaret.

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Speaker 1: She secretly watches, I think once in a while, like she's.

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Speaker 2: Kind of I'm peripherally aware of the stupidity and like

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Speaker 2: the feuds, and it's just like a sport for her,

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Speaker 2: local drama. So I say, Luene's there. She's like, come mom,

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Speaker 2: She wants to get her popcorn out. She's like, you guys,

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Speaker 2: she's a viewer. And I'm just like, I don't want

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Speaker 2: Keith and Mark and Brann. I'm just like, hey llo Anne.

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Speaker 2: And it was instant. And it was my daughter though

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Speaker 2: like kids, heal all wounds. My daughter's the one who

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Speaker 2: He was like, say congratulations. So she'll love that and

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Speaker 2: so and we all want validation as creatures. And so

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Speaker 2: I say to Brent, I say to her, I say hi,

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Speaker 1: I mean, while she has like trashed me last week,

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Speaker 1: I don't care. It's just funny. That's so.

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Speaker 2: How so I've it like it's like you go to

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Speaker 1: And so I say congratulations.

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Speaker 2: And then I say, Brin, and I do the video

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Speaker 2: for you guys on Instagram, like life actually is a cabaret,

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Speaker 2: you know, I say, Brin, you know what? Life actually

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Speaker 2: to Lane and we take pictures in the lands, like.

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Speaker 1: I need those pictures. I need those pictures. I need

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Speaker 2: I have to send other those pictures today and I

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Speaker 2: meant to send them on social media because but she

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Speaker 2: we're blocked.

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Speaker 1: I'm wocked. I think she's probably blocked too.

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Speaker 2: And the bottom line is I know exactly what the

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Speaker 2: guarantee you we would never have been in an argument.

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Speaker 1: I don't really argue, you know what I mean, I

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Speaker 2: The only people that I've ever had arguments with are

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Speaker 2: within the framework of the Housewives for the most part,

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Speaker 2: Like there are exceptions, but like you know.

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Speaker 1: The people that people publicly.

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Speaker 2: Know I have had arguments with, they're all from that

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Speaker 2: stupid show that like Dumpster Fire, which by the way,

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Speaker 2: confirms what I've always said, like that show is designed

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Speaker 2: for people to despise each other. I mean, you can

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Speaker 2: say whatever you want, and this is not me. So

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Speaker 2: it's like whenever LUN's been like why do you bite

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Speaker 2: that hand doesn't only feed, that hand also divides and

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Speaker 2: while she's made money off of it and success and

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Speaker 2: that hand did feed us. That hand also fed us

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Speaker 2: by making us hate each other. So it's we're saying

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Speaker 2: the same thing, you know. So anyway, the bottom line

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Speaker 2: is I don't I don't care. I was happy to

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Speaker 2: kind of clean it up. And in life, I do

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Speaker 2: like things to be clean. I don't like things to

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Speaker 2: be unsettled and to like duck when I see someone,

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Speaker 2: I just don't.

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Speaker 1: But my daughter, like, heals all wounds. It's the best.

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Speaker 2: And being an example for your daughter or your son,

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Speaker 2: you know, heals all wounds like you just want to be.

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Speaker 1: A better person. You want to leave them.

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Speaker 2: You want to leave the world better than you found it,

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Speaker 2: and you want your kids to be better than you.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want my daughter to like see any

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Speaker 2: toxicity like me in a corner because I don't heard

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Speaker 2: pattern that behavior. I want her to always be the

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Speaker 2: bigger person. I want her to not take the bait,

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Speaker 2: and I want her to thrive and survive and.

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Speaker 1: Just be happy.

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Speaker 2: I don't want her to be all tarnished and toxic.

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Speaker 2: So and I left that show because of her, And

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Speaker 2: I was happy to see Luanne, and I was happy

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Speaker 2: to take the advice and to clean it up.

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Speaker 1: And I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: That was really that was just positive and yeah, the

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Speaker 2: universe is healing, all good. And I guess, at least

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, Life is a cabaret who knew