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Speaker 1: It is a Tuesday. It is great to be here again.

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Speaker 1: A little cesta, a little sabbatical. Jmax filling in more

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Speaker 1: than capably and appreciate that we are ready to go.

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Speaker 2: The All Star Game is tonight. We have Cal Rawley.

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Speaker 1: I grew up a Mariners fan. I wanted to be

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Speaker 1: the voice of the Mariners. At some point the organization

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Speaker 1: did not agree, so I ended up doing this. A

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Speaker 1: Rod joins us as well tonight. So it's All Star

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Speaker 1: Game night, home run derby NBA stuff. NFL camps are

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Speaker 1: getting quick to open very soon.

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Speaker 2: Around the corner. Jmat, good to be back, Good to

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Speaker 2: see you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great to have you back, big fellow excited for today.

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Speaker 1: All right, So here's a story that's been simmering and

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Speaker 1: sort of hovering, like those like those upas those UFOs.

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Speaker 2: Over New Jersey were.

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Speaker 1: Remember that for about a three week trial, kind of

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Speaker 1: hovering over what are they?

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Speaker 2: That's what I feel.

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Speaker 1: The Lebron trade rumors are like nobody's quite sure what

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Speaker 1: maybe it's a plane. I don't buy them. I do

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Speaker 1: not buy the Lebron trade rumors. Here's why. The best

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Speaker 1: contract you can have in professional basketball is a superstar

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Speaker 1: in his prime. Sga, Jokisch, Luca. Those are the guys

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Speaker 1: that win in May and June. Rookie contracts are nice.

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Speaker 1: Best contract, superstar in his prime. Sga wins a title,

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Speaker 1: Yokich wins the title. The second best contract to me

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Speaker 1: is a highly productive player with a lot of seasoning

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Speaker 1: who is still good, probably out of his prime, and

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Speaker 2: And that's Lebron. This is it.

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Speaker 1: They can play with it. Leverage to the Lakers. They

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Speaker 1: can move him with the trade deadline. They could move

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Speaker 1: him now I wouldn't, So why would you get rid

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Speaker 1: of that? I mean, he was twenty four eight and

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Speaker 1: was sixth in MVP voting. That's the highest in years.

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Speaker 1: He's highly productive and he's capable of helping you in

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Speaker 2: I'm not trading that away.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, his agent Rich Paul has acknowledged publicly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: with Lebron James. He knows it's Lucas team. They're going

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Speaker 1: So I don't buy the trade talks. Also, you know

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Speaker 1: this is the time of the year, it's hey, how

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Speaker 1: fill my column? I don't buy it now. I do

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Speaker 1: believe they will transition out of this potentially if things

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Speaker 1: go south, But why now and why today? Remember the

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Speaker 1: Lakers got better. There's a lot of reasons to be hopeful.

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Speaker 1: I do not believe they are going to be as

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Speaker 1: good summer league. He may contribute. Luca's gonna be in

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton. He's allergic to defense. Always sees himself as

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna win a title. They're not going to

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Speaker 4: They weren't playing good basketball, and that was on the fly, right,

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Speaker 5: Not built around Luca. It was on the fly.

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Speaker 5: So you would expect them to be better.

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Speaker 1: They will be better. They won't be great, but they'll

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Tonight's the All Star Game home run derby Champ from

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Speaker 1: the Mariners. Cal Rawley will be joining us one hour

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Speaker 1: from now, a rod bottom of the hour. So Baseball

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Speaker 1: made a decision which I totally agree with. Actually two

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Speaker 1: they're going to have. He's only had five appearances, He's

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Speaker 1: four and one, he's six seven. The kid throws absolute

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Speaker 1: heat from the Milwaukee Brewers Jacob Mizerowski, they call him

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Speaker 1: him into the All Star Game. And the purists have grumbled,

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Speaker 1: but they always take themselves way too seriously. Baseball's also

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Speaker 1: going to use the ABS system in the All Star

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Speaker 1: Game tonight. They used it in spring training, it's being

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Speaker 1: used in the minor leagues, and they're going to experiment

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Speaker 1: When I initially heard about it, I didn't like it,

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Speaker 1: but it actually is fast, succinct, not a huge replay fan.

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Speaker 1: to get it right. But they're gonna do both. Baseball strange.

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Speaker 2: The writers, broadcasters.

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Speaker 1: Everybody took it so seriously and the sport got really dull,

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Speaker 1: and you heard about unwritten rules, and there was a

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Speaker 1: way to play the game, those two unwritten rules. Rob

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Speaker 1: Experiment with a kid tonight the ABS system, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure purists don't like it, but he's called a phenom.

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Speaker 1: You know what gets me to a television A phenom

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Speaker 1: rules never made any sense, Like there are certain unwritten

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Speaker 1: rules in society we all understand, like when you go

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 1: My job has not put you in the record books.

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Speaker 1: My job is to not elevate your legacy. It's a

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Speaker 1: two nothing game, three nothing game. You lead, guy in

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Speaker 1: front of me walk steal second. I'm bunning to get

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Speaker 1: him on eighth inning. I don't care. That's a you problem.

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Speaker 1: Remember the other one in baseball. You can't steal a

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Speaker 1: base leading big. I mean, I guess if it's fourteen

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Speaker 1: nothing or you can't stare at a home run, why

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Speaker 1: get the splitty over what evs? Rob Manfred's like, no,

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Speaker 1: let's have fun. It's baseball. This is called an All

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Speaker 1: Star game. And this kid's a star, he's a phenom.

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Speaker 1: He gets us to a television. Baseball got into real

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Speaker 1: trouble when it got really precious and really beholden to history. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we used to memorize baseball cards. That's what we did

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Speaker 1: at seventeen. Kids don't collect them. They don't collect them.

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Speaker 1: They don't run to the drug store in your local

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Speaker 2: It's all over.

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Speaker 1: I mean even the industry of trading baseball cards, with

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Speaker 1: Rob Manfred said, speed the game up. Every swing he's

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Speaker 1: taken has worked everyone. You don't have to love them.

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Speaker 1: All Star game, not all stats, not all superior production.

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Speaker 1: For a guy that's not getting us to a TV.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I think it's great. And here's Dave Roberts.

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Speaker 7: The All Star Game should be the best the game's

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Speaker 7: best players. It's about the fans and what the fans

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Speaker 7: want to see. So for this young kid to be

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Speaker 7: He is thrilled to be here. I'm gonna get him

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Speaker 7: So the fans, the media, you're gonna love it.

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Speaker 2: Tonight.

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Speaker 1: Is a celebration. It's not determining home field advantage. Don't

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Speaker 1: be precious, don't be pious. Baseball did that for about

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Speaker 1: twenty years. They got really weird. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: Why it's selling out? The fans are telling you, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we go to the ballpark to have a beer with

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Speaker 1: All Star Game tonight. If they don't put mis in,

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Speaker 1: what's getting me there? It matters six seven throws heat

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Speaker 1: I want to watch all right. J mac nick Saban

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Speaker 1: the college football will address that. The NFL execs came

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Speaker 1: out with a quarterback list yesterday that I absolutely loved.

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Speaker 2: That probably drove you crazy.

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Speaker 5: Of course you love it.

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Speaker 3: Of course no Rock Perty in the top ten, of

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Speaker 3: course you love it.

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Speaker 1: I gotta look at eleven through fifteen. I didn't see

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, oh he robbing grenades early, okay.

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Speaker 2: It's me Rock Parker.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, Alex Rodriguez joining us in about

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Speaker 1: ten minutes. All Star Game tonight on Fox.

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Speaker 1: And so my thing what Jalen Hurts is he is

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Speaker 1: Great kid, great leader, great talent, strong as strong gets

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Speaker 1: all right, J Mack. He's got the news.

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Speaker 8: No, no, this is the herdline news.

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Speaker 2: Oh good to have you back, Cowhard.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the Golden State Warriors, Colin. They've been

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Speaker 11: The narrative alzheimers, since I might not always be the same,

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Speaker 6: That's all.

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Speaker 5: That's all I want.

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Speaker 11: Every year it presents new challenges and you got to

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Speaker 6: How about this Cowherd.

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Speaker 3: They we have the same odds to win the NBA

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Speaker 3: I don't know that anybody wants to pay him, Like

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Speaker 2: You see him flourish well with Curry.

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Speaker 3: We've been talking about him for about a month now.

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Speaker 1: When I suggested a year ago they should explore trading him.

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Speaker 1: It was outrage. I can't believe it. The Steelers are

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Speaker 2: And I said this a year ago.

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Speaker 2: You have to explore it.

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Speaker 1: They've led the NFL and defensive spending for four years.

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Speaker 8: On yeah, Colin.

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Speaker 3: As a minority owner of a sports team, I can

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Speaker 3: And again we've talked about Giannest with the Bucks. You

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Speaker 2: A fourth maybe yep. Now you've got to pay him

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Speaker 2: a ton of money.

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Speaker 3: He wants to be one of the highest paid guys.

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Speaker 2: You can't give up this.

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Speaker 5: I don't know you get two two's Colin.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there are thirty players in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You take a phone call on everybody. You don't take

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Speaker 1: it on Burrow. You know, there's the top seven eight

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks you don't take the phone call on, and the

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Speaker 1: top six or seven left tackles you don't. There's just

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Speaker 1: not many left tackles. But even a star wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: I mean Devonte Adams was not that far removed from

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Speaker 1: his prime. He was moving to the Raiders, he's moving

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Speaker 1: to the Jets, he's moving to the Rams. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's there's maybe thirty guys in the NFL tops that

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Speaker 1: a GM just is not going to take a phone

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Speaker 1: call for.

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Speaker 8: Even Miles Garrett. By the way, with the Brown.

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Speaker 2: Now, I wouldn't take a phone call on Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I think he's the best pass rusher.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so great, You've got a Limborghini and you live

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Speaker 3: in a shack with like no garage roofs. Like that's

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Speaker 3: what the Browns are. They're draft picks. They're getting arrested

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Speaker 3: in trouble with the law. They have no quarterback, They're

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Speaker 3: going nowhere. Why are are you paying Lyles Garrett. I

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Speaker 3: would have just got whatever I could and start.

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Speaker 1: Over well, because he's by far and away your best player,

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Speaker 1: and I think it ruins a locker room if you don't.

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Speaker 1: If you draft a guy and then don't reward him,

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Speaker 1: what is the signal that's a bad And I think

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Speaker 1: he's so much better than I think Jared Verse by

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Speaker 1: the end of this coming season will look at him

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Speaker 1: as possibly the second best pass rusher. I think he's

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Speaker 1: that good. Michael Garrett Garrett is in another class.

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Speaker 3: And Michael Parsons is still pretty we'll see final story

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Speaker 3: column to my Jets. Been a quiet offseason, but they

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Speaker 3: just locked up Garrett Wilson four years, one hundred and

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Speaker 3: thirty million dollar extension. Again, some of that's funny money

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Speaker 3: ninety mil guaranteed is not. With the new deal, Wilson

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Speaker 3: slots in as the fifth highest paid wide receiver per year,

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Speaker 3: and he's had a really good.

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Speaker 2: Start to his career with no good quarterbacks. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that he's.

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Speaker 1: Going to make justin fields that much better, but he's

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Speaker 1: a great player.

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Speaker 3: His numbers so far have been incredible. I don't think

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Speaker 3: this is a bad deal at all. No, I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's an overpay, and if you look at the

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Speaker 3: average per year, I like the Garrett Wilson deal more

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Speaker 3: than DK Metcalf, who's got a lot of treader and

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Speaker 3: his tires and is a bit of a locker room issue.

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Speaker 1: The Jets have five or six really elite players.

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Speaker 2: He's one of them. Pay him.

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Speaker 1: I have no problem with this. I don't none. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, Justin Fields, you don't want him having

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Speaker 1: a moody wide receiver. Something you got to pay a guy,

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Speaker 1: get it done. Garrett's happy. So if his numbers go down,

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Speaker 1: let's say, Justin Fields isn't the answer. Garrett's not moody.

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Speaker 1: Garrett got his He'll be good in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: You need him actually to be a leader right now

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Speaker 1: because the Jets have a new quarterback and a new

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Speaker 1: coach and a new quarterback.

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Speaker 2: So I'm good with it. Jmck of a news, Well.

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Speaker 8: That's the news, and thanks for stopping back the herd

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Speaker 8: line News.

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Speaker 1: A fourteen time All Star, a three time MVP twenty

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Speaker 1: two years, an icon absolutely beginning to end. Alex Rodriguez

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Speaker 1: at the All Star Game is now joining us live. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you made your All Star debut. You were twenty

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Speaker 1: years old. I read you know, you obviously would not

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Speaker 1: remember this. I remember being in the Mariner locker room

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Speaker 1: years and years and years ago, and you were, you know,

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Speaker 1: you talk of the team, and I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, he's like fourteen years old. Look at that kid.

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Speaker 1: He's a kid. So you go, let's talk about miss so.

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Speaker 1: I have no problem putting him in the All Star Game.

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Speaker 1: He's a phenom. Let's not get precious. I want to

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Speaker 1: see a phenom. The kid six seven throws heat. I'm

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Speaker 1: for it. I am all for it. Go back to

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Speaker 1: you being an All Star at twenty were you overwhelmed

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Speaker 1: by it?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 12: My god, Colin and hello, I was so overwhelmed that

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Speaker 12: when I when I saw Kyle Ridkin for the first time,

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Speaker 12: my childhood hero. You know, he was like he was

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Speaker 12: like a statue. He was tall, he had like little

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Speaker 12: gray hair, he had these blue eyes, and I was like,

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Speaker 12: oh my god, that's my hero and I'm his teammate.

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Speaker 6: And that was the neatest part.

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Speaker 12: It was in the old Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia, and

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Speaker 12: it was it was quite fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all Star games are interesting. You're facing the best

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Speaker 1: of the best. A lot of it is where are

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Speaker 1: the shadows? Who do you face your second at bat?

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Speaker 1: Your mindset there is there's not a time you're almost

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Speaker 1: like on Broadway. You're kind of performing like it's a

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Speaker 1: really different environment. Go go to your bats? Is the

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Speaker 1: all like like you face some like peer pressure, but

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Speaker 1: you don't face outcome pressure. Did you like All Star Games?

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Speaker 6: I love them?

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Speaker 12: And look, this was a celebration of all your hard work,

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Speaker 12: dedication one thing has made to the major leagues. But

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Speaker 12: to be one of sixty or sixty five guys that

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Speaker 12: are the best players in the world, in the best

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Speaker 12: league in the world, it was a treat and it

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Speaker 12: was an honor. I remember coming in two thousand, we

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Speaker 12: were playing right here in Atlanta for the All Star Game.

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Speaker 12: I had hurt my knee and I didn't make it,

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Speaker 12: and Derek went in my to replace me and he

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Speaker 12: won the MVP.

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Speaker 6: But I remember stating at home so bummed and sad

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Speaker 6: that I couldn't be at the All Star Game.

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Speaker 12: Look, if you don't in the World Series, that's the

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Speaker 12: most exposure you're going to get, and you're showing off

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Speaker 12: for the national fans, for the global front fans, and

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Speaker 12: also for the community of baseball, but especially your colleagues

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Speaker 12: and the other seven hundred and forty nine players.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of interesting stories about this season.

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Speaker 2: One of the ones that's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I've always said it's hard to go into prolonged slumps.

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Speaker 1: With hockey and basketball. The game, the game moves too quickly.

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Speaker 1: You don't have time to overthink a misshot. You get

556
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Speaker 1: another shot in fourteen seconds. But in baseball and golf,

557
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Speaker 1: you got a lot of downtime to think about that

558
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Speaker 1: seven iron that went sideways, or your you know that

559
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Speaker 1: that at bat where you got fooled. And so Raffie

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Speaker 1: Devers goes from the Red Sox they suddenly they're on fire.

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Speaker 1: He goes to San Francisco. He is punching out like

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Speaker 1: he is struggling. And I think a lot of it

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Speaker 1: is when you when you're called like, oh he's the savior,

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Speaker 1: he is what I think it's in his head. Take

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Speaker 1: me to that because you had a one slump in

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Speaker 1: your career. I remember in the playoffs, not many, but some.

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Speaker 1: I think this get in San Francisco's I think it's

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Speaker 1: upstairs with him.

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Speaker 2: What do you see, Well.

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Speaker 6: First, it suggress Boston.

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Speaker 12: Sometimes when you clear what's perceived as a stressful situation

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Speaker 12: and you clear the Big Brother, then it puts the

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Speaker 12: owners and responsibilities on the other twenty five guys in

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Speaker 12: that locker room, and everyone says, all right, there's a

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Speaker 12: sigh of relief.

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Speaker 6: We've cleared the deck. Now is on us. Big Brother's gone.

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Speaker 12: So I mean, I remember when Griffy left, We went

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Speaker 12: on the next year to the playoffs, when we brought

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Speaker 12: in Mike Cameron and Freddie Garcia and Seattle.

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Speaker 6: You remember those years, and then I left and they

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Speaker 6: got even better. Right, So it's not normal.

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Speaker 12: But you have a Rod and Griffy leaving back to

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Speaker 12: back years and the team keeps getting better and better.

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Speaker 12: So there's something that's happening with the Red Sox on

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Speaker 12: the Devers. Remember he started the year really slow. In

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Speaker 12: his first twenty five at bats, he had like twenty

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Speaker 12: punch outs and it takes him a little bit to go.

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Speaker 12: He's also a streaky hitter, but he's a guy that's

589
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Speaker 12: been his whole career basically from Dominica Republic to fur

590
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Speaker 12: Myers to Boston. Now he goes all the way west,

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Speaker 12: so he's going from east to West adjustment Number one,

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Speaker 12: He's going from American League eest that he spent his

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Speaker 12: whole career in to nationally West, and instead of being

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Speaker 12: hot and in Boston in the summer, is a little

595
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Speaker 12: bit cooler San Francisco.

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Speaker 6: So there's a lot of adjustments you get used to.

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Speaker 6: The ballpark is going to take him a minute.

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Speaker 12: I think he's going to hit, but hopefully this could

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Speaker 12: be a win win for both of them. But right now, Colin,

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Speaker 12: you're right, it's more mental than anything else when you

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Speaker 12: think about an adjustment.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the Dodgers have done this over the

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Speaker 1: last several years. They have like a June or July.

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Speaker 1: They I don't know if it's distracted. They often it

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Speaker 1: feels like they're setting up their pitching for August and September.

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Speaker 1: And they've had a ton of injuries. In fact, part

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Speaker 1: of their payroll the advantages they've gone out and acquired

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Speaker 1: guy guys on the mound with some pitching injuries that

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Speaker 1: they don't need the volume in the regular season they're

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Speaker 1: looking for, you know, in the postseason. So some of

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Speaker 1: what they're going through I think is fairly predictable. Two

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Speaker 1: and seven in their last nine go to the most

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Speaker 1: talented team you ever played for. Did you ever have

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Speaker 1: a two and seven streak? What are the players talking about?

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Speaker 1: Because you have all stars everywhere?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, the Dodgers are such an anomaly and

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Speaker 12: they're such a unicorn. They're really the best run franchise

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Speaker 12: in the sport today. Two thousand and nine we won

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Speaker 12: the title the New York Yankees when we beat the Phillies.

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Speaker 6: We got off to a horrific start that year.

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Speaker 12: In April we were actually in last place and then

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Speaker 12: somewhere around I came back from a hip surgery, somewhere

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Speaker 12: in early May and Colin we probably played seven hundred baseball,

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Speaker 12: not seven to fifty.

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Speaker 6: We were almost unbeatable, but we were really bad in April.

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Speaker 12: The Dodgers play a different game, right. They have more

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Speaker 12: resources than everybody, They have more talent. They're Amazon, they're Google,

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Speaker 12: their Apple, They're there top of their game, and they're

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Speaker 12: signing as many people as possible, leaning on their resources,

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Speaker 12: and they're making a bet, whether that's sotanic anybody as

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Speaker 12: they ramp them up, or they're hoping that of the

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Speaker 12: twenty five pictures they have that eight or nine good

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Speaker 12: pitchers are healthy October first, and that's really the only

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Speaker 12: thing they're playing for.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I I think Rob Manfred deserves credit.

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Speaker 1: I said this earlier. When I was a kid growing up,

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Speaker 1: baseball had wild personalities. Pete Rose and Mark Fidrich and

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Speaker 1: Al Raboski and Mickey Rivers. I mean there was just

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Speaker 1: there were It was wild. There was just all sorts

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Speaker 1: of personalities, and then they went through a period some

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Speaker 1: of it you dealt with where there's a way to

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Speaker 1: play the game. It got a little precious, a little

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Speaker 1: beholden the history. It's like, guys, the reason we all

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Speaker 1: love Ken Griffy.

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Speaker 2: It was fun.

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Speaker 1: The hats on backwards, it's fun, and I think baseball

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Speaker 1: is doing that again. One of the I've been very

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Speaker 1: pro Rob Manfred. I didn't initially like the idea of

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Speaker 1: the ABS system. I'm like, okay, I can barely tolerate

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Speaker 1: NFL replay.

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Speaker 2: I just like, keep the game movie. But then I've.

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Speaker 1: Watched it and it's pretty quick, so I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: like begrudgingly moving toward Okay, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: How do you land on it? If you talk to

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Speaker 2: players about it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 12: I'm a big Rob man for fan, and I think

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Speaker 12: he deserves a lot of credit little single handily. I mean,

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Speaker 12: with the changes he's made the last two or three

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Speaker 12: years to really save our game. He probably belongs in Cooperstown.

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Speaker 12: But the reason why I like this colin technology has

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Speaker 12: made the game better. Anytime you make players and umpires

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Speaker 12: more accountable, it's a great thing. Going back ten years

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Speaker 12: that strike you see right there on the screen, eighty

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Speaker 12: three percent of the time, the umpires will getting it

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Speaker 12: right ten years ago. Today that numbers balloon to ninety

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Speaker 12: seven percent. So is a much better quality, much better game,

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Speaker 12: much better accuracy. All those things are good. Now the

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Speaker 12: application of it, we have to go see how it works.

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Speaker 12: I know he's been They've been doing it in the

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Speaker 12: minor leagues. I am really looking forward to tonight to

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Speaker 12: see how that plays out because I'm a little bit

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Speaker 12: on the fence, but I'm more pro because I think

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Speaker 12: Rob Manford deserves some credit. He's built some equity here

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Speaker 12: of the last three or four years with his changes,

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Speaker 12: and I think the game has a guess the curse

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Speaker 12: of being so married to their history. I think some

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Speaker 12: of the other leagues have really pushed the envelope and look,

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Speaker 12: I'll give you one example, because this one bothers me.

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Speaker 12: I love the kid from Milwaukee being there as we

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Speaker 12: started this conversation.

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Speaker 6: He's only had five stars fined.

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Speaker 12: But if this is a game of stars and entertainment

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Speaker 12: and you have partners like Fox, Juan Soda needs to

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Speaker 12: be in Atlanta because there's no one I'd rather have

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Speaker 12: on the set.

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Speaker 6: And you can't tell.

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Speaker 12: Me there's sixty players or sixty stories more compelling than

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Speaker 12: Juan Soda, who's had a phenomena June.

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Speaker 6: He was a player of the Month back in the day.

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Speaker 6: I watched Larry burdon Magic.

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Speaker 12: I could care less if they had a bad first

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Speaker 12: half or an average progession. I want to see Burd

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Speaker 12: and Magic in the All Star Game every year a year,

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Speaker 12: and then you're out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I agree.

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Speaker 1: Finally, having been in Major League Baseball, a former number

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Speaker 1: one pick Texas, it's the Yankees, it's a broadcaster, it's

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Speaker 1: the Mariners. Now you're a co owner of an NBA team,

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Speaker 1: the cultures are totally different. Whereas the NFL is all

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Speaker 1: about the shield, baseball is all about the ten year contract,

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Speaker 1: the NBA is kind of all about the superstar just

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Speaker 1: tell me, having watched the NBA now a co owner,

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Speaker 1: is there anything that surprised you about it? Is there

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Speaker 1: anything as somebody that knows sports about as well as

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Speaker 1: anybody I know as a former player, that is the

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Speaker 1: cultures different, more fun, more interesting, captivating.

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Speaker 2: Where are you with that?

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Speaker 6: Well, the history's much different, Comlin, It's been.

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Speaker 12: I've been part of Major League Baseball now for over

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Speaker 12: thirty years, and I've had some highs and I've had

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Speaker 12: some lows, but I've learned a lot of lessons along

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Speaker 12: the way. What's interesting about the biggest difference is that,

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Speaker 12: you know, we had Marvin Miller as a players union,

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Speaker 12: then we had Don fear as Ahead, then we had

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Speaker 12: Michael Wiener, how we have Tony Clark. You know, from

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Speaker 12: the minute you come into the big leagues, enemy has

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Speaker 12: been owners. Players and owners have really had a really long,

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Speaker 12: tough relationship. Where in the NBA owners love love the players.

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Speaker 12: The players have a really good relationshp with the owners.

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Speaker 12: And that's been the biggest difference that I've seen firsthand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Alex Rodriguez Fox, major League Baseball analyst. Tonight the

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Speaker 1: All Star Game in Atlanta. Great seniors always appreciate you

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Speaker 1: giving us some time.

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Speaker 6: You got it, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: His point on Juan Soto is my on on on

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Speaker 1: miss to some degree, which is it's an All Star game,

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Speaker 1: and if you're going to be flexible, this is the

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Speaker 1: time to be flexible. People want to see stars. Story

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Speaker 1: on Caitlin Clark, is the w NBA coming around, Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban back to college football. We'll address those and more. Next,

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Speaker 1: it's The Hurt.

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Speaker 8: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 8: and Neon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, it's the Midsummer Classic.

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Speaker 3: As judge of show Hey and Baseball's the Biggest Stars

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Speaker 3: head to Atlanta for the MLB All Star Game. Coverage

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Speaker 3: begins at seven Eastern, fourth Pacific only on Fox.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 1: In a stunning development, w NBA players are acknowledging Caitlin

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Speaker 1: Clark's really good. I saw this week that the coach

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Speaker 1: of Yukon gino Oriema acknowledging Yeah, I missed on that

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Speaker 1: he lets Ukon bias get in the way of it.

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Speaker 2: But I saw a poll.

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Speaker 1: WNBA players were pulled on who's going to be the

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Speaker 1: face of the league in five years, and in a

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Speaker 1: runaway vote, it was Caitlin Clark with about fifty five

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Speaker 1: percent of the vote. Juju Watkins and Pagebackers, really really

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Speaker 1: good young players. Dynamic players were second and third. And

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Speaker 1: I do think this is fair to say for any

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Speaker 1: employee base in any industry, in any company, for the

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Speaker 1: employees to go from ignored to widely discussed and criticized

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Speaker 1: is really difficult. It was a tsunami of attention. The league,

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Speaker 1: the commissioner wasn't ready for it. The arenas, the ticket salesman,

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Speaker 1: they weren't ready for it. So you went from in

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Speaker 1: the shadows to in the spotlight, and it was a microscope.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like I remember when I was a young broadcaster.

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Speaker 1: I moved to Vegas and Mike Tyson came out, and

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Speaker 1: a legendary old trainer said, you can't prepare for a

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Speaker 1: Mike Tyson left hook. It doesn't matter who your sparring

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Speaker 1: partners are, it doesn't matter how many fights you've had

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Speaker 1: at twenty four years old. If Tyson delivers a left hook,

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Speaker 1: you're not ready for it. And I don't think I

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Speaker 1: mean I Taylor Swift had been in music several years

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Speaker 1: before the Eras tour, but I think that even caught

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Speaker 1: people a little off guard where it sold out Sofi

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Speaker 1: Stadium seven straight nights. And I just don't think the

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Speaker 1: league was ready for Caitlin Clark, and so I said, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give the league should be ready. You knew

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Speaker 1: her sophomore year at Michigan she's dropping forty plus, or

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Speaker 1: sophomore year at Iowa, she's dropping forty plus against Michigan.

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Speaker 1: If you go read Christine Brennan's book, there were a

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Speaker 1: lot of signs she was going to be a superstar

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Speaker 1: in the league and sell a lot of tickets and

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Speaker 1: shoes and merchandise. So I'm gonna be punitive on the league.

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Speaker 1: But the players, I get six to nine months to

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Speaker 1: kind of get your arms around it. So it's like

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Speaker 1: my kids when they went to college. Freshman year, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have fun, sophomore year, hit the books, grow up,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of feel like the players, now, this

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Speaker 1: poll is encouraging, it's you know, it's progress, and I

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Speaker 1: do think it was hard. I mean, there's nobody's quite ready.

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Speaker 1: Like everybody knew. I remember when everybody was talking about

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Speaker 1: Tiger Woods when he was winning the juniors and I

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Speaker 1: was in Oregon, and people at Nike were saying, this kid, man,

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Speaker 1: this kid is really good. I don't think anybody thought

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Speaker 1: he was going to literally change course design because he

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Speaker 1: was so long off the tee and dominant. I mean

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Speaker 1: he was ahead of golf equipment. Golf equipment over the

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Speaker 1: last five to ten years. Even hacks like me can

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Speaker 1: hit the ball a little bit. I mean he was

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Speaker 1: a mile ahead of golf equipment. He was ahead of

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Speaker 1: the sport, and we all knew he was great. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody could have predicted Lebron James would rival

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan is the best player ever.

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Speaker 2: Nobody really thought that.

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Speaker 1: There were people that thought you should have drafted Carmelo

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Speaker 1: Anthony over and I think, Caitlin Clark, what do you do?

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Speaker 1: How do you prepare? I think the league should have

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Speaker 1: been more prepared. But I will mostly defend players in

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Speaker 1: that first nine months of kind of like.

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Speaker 2: Being juvenile and not getting it. Now.

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Speaker 1: I think they have to grow up now and get

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Speaker 1: their feet beneath them. But this is an encouraging sign

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Speaker 1: that they're acknowledging. Yeah, she's the face of the league.

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Speaker 1: And also there are members of the media that're going

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Speaker 1: to pick and choose isolated insulent incidents and kind of

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Speaker 1: stoke the fire of what's happening in the league. But

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Speaker 1: I think the fairest criticism the w n B A

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Speaker 1: is to the commissioner and the league really not getting

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Speaker 1: it when she broke into the league and they had

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Speaker 1: her playing like the most road games and the worst

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Speaker 1: hardest schedule of any w NBA team in the first month.

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Speaker 1: That's just not having enough foresight. But this is encouraging jmack.

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Speaker 1: Here's the by the way, her head coach Stephanie White

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Speaker 1: on Caitlin going up against Paige Becker's last weekend.

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Speaker 13: I mean, everybody wants to see star players. You think

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Speaker 13: about when who who's who tunes in to watch Lebron

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Speaker 13: and Steph Right, it's it's those kinds of matchups, And

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Speaker 13: I think, to watch these guys for the first time,

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Speaker 13: you going against each other and then their w NBA careers,

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Speaker 13: is going to be special. In my day, it's watching

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Speaker 13: you know, Chryl Swoops and Lisa Leslie, you know, and

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Speaker 13: in their day it's it's watching Kaitlyn and Page.

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Speaker 1: Do you realize J Mack, I was thinking about this

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Speaker 1: when I was flying back By next Monday and Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: camps will be open in the NFL. We're getting really,

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Speaker 1: really close. I was thinking, I was watching some shows

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Speaker 1: and watching some stuff and reading a lot flying back,

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Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, Okay, the silly season's almost over.

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Speaker 2: The let's make up big stories.

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Speaker 1: Lebron's getting traded, Nick Saban's coming back to college football,

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Speaker 1: all the nonsense. I'll address that top of next hour.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I think we're at point now

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Speaker 1: this time next week, camps are open.

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Speaker 2: We're ready to roll. Baby.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, you're going to meet me in Vegas in August,

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Speaker 3: right to lay down some futures bets for the upcoming season.

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Speaker 2: Right, I got six new playoff teams. I'm ready for it.

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Speaker 1: Six Yeah, I got six hour two on a Tuesday

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Speaker 1: next