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Speaker 2: Who say so just because she fucking doesn't mean she

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Speaker 2: we ain't stop for no One. Woo Tang generator name.

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Speaker 2: one talk a lot of shit. But other than we'll

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Speaker 2: approach him. Can be you? No got their first position

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Speaker 2: Somebody show these niggas can't hurt me. Whoa, Hey, welcome

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Speaker 2: to the black Out this podcast your host Rod, and

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Speaker 2: we're in the house on a Monday. Yes, sir, that

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Speaker 2: is correct. I said it right. All kinds of stuff

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Speaker 2: to talk about, the dad. I can't wait to get

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Speaker 2: into the show. Okay, it's all kinds of news and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: I don't you know where to start, guys? You know,

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Speaker 2: actually you know what I do know where to start.

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Speaker 2: So yesterday, uh you know, if you don't know what

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Speaker 2: you know, this weapon of the show is hurry up

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Speaker 2: and get into it. So if you don't, if you

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Speaker 2: don't know, one of my favorite things in life, and

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Speaker 2: we've had a whole episode about it before as well.

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Speaker 2: But it's when blackademics be having beef. Yes, because it's

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Speaker 2: gloriously petty. Yes, the word violence, the I mean like

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Speaker 2: they are so vocabulationous.

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Speaker 3: Using all the big vocabulary words. They don't nobody to understand.

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Speaker 3: You got to look them up.

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Speaker 2: Like the words are so huge, but the motives are

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Speaker 2: so petty. Yes, it's entertainment, you know, it's like love

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Speaker 2: and hip hop, Real Housewives, but with big words and

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Speaker 2: PhDs behind them and ship like that. Whereas everybody knows educate,

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Speaker 2: you know, is everybody knows. The media darling of the

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Speaker 2: moment right now is for blackademics quote unquote, for black

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Speaker 2: intellectual public intellectuals, as they call him. It's tin of

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Speaker 2: hosee coats. And I'm currently reading We Were Eight Years

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Speaker 2: in Power. You know, I'm a slow reader, but I'm

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Speaker 2: it's ah. If some people are like, well, it's basically

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Speaker 2: him republishing essays that he did for The Atlantic. Some

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Speaker 2: But personally, I like the essays before each piece, and

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Speaker 2: like the reflection, to see like his inner thoughts. I

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Speaker 2: like you don't have any doubts, you don't have anyself

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Speaker 2: like some critiques are reasonable, but sometimes people have critiques

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Speaker 2: So I just stay out of those circles. Like I

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Speaker 2: I really think they They don't realize that if someone,

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Speaker 2: they richly did not mostly did not deserve, in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: how life works. No one can speak for everyone right anyway.

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Speaker 2: The second thing I would say is probably the biggest

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Speaker 2: He views white supremacy and whiteness as this overwhelming thing

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Speaker 2: to me, I don't understand how that can be a

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Speaker 2: maybe never. You know, it's the original sin. It's that bad.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I'm not sure people truly grasp how bad

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Speaker 3: You got to go back to why do we have

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Speaker 3: HBCUs And you know, I don't care how you feel

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Speaker 2: You know, well, even within the context of like just academia,

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Speaker 2: blackademic pro black people went to white Ivy League schools

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Speaker 2: So it's almost like this this is unspoken, like how

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Speaker 3: Got PhDs, can be vocabulations just like y'all can too.

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Speaker 2: Right Like, even though we know that, it still ends

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Speaker 3: Oh, And I think for me, my extent when it

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Speaker 2: So to me, he was like an old man that

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Speaker 3: From my perspective, and I just knew a lot of

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Speaker 3: I didn't grow up reading his books. I didn't grow

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Speaker 3: he has done great work and has touched many of people.

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Speaker 3: But you can do that and still have this other

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Speaker 3: and people that act like you can't do both.

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Speaker 2: As always, I go to my playlist The Ghost of

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Speaker 2: that's that's his word. That's that slur? Right? Is that

427
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Speaker 2: a cuss word? Do I? I mean, do we need

428
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Speaker 2: the N word?

429
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Speaker 3: That?

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Speaker 2: You know, Black pragmatism get called the neoliberal in a heartbeat?

431
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Speaker 2: Niggas don't know. I don't even know what fucking leoliberal

432
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Speaker 2: means me. But if you just know, is that y'all

433
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 2: use it wrong. So I'm like, well, fuck you two.

434
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Speaker 2: Then if you disagree with somebody on the left, you

435
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Speaker 2: are neoliberal. It doesn't even matter that the ship doesn't

436
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: that it doesn't fit or don't make sense. They can

437
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Speaker 2: call it's how many times can I call you a

438
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Speaker 2: neoliberal in a couple of seconds, in a couple of sentences? Okay, Like, uh,

439
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Speaker 2: now for the record, because some people probably want to

440
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Speaker 2: know what does neoliberalism mean? Because I think it's important

441
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 2: to this discussion because as y'all will see in a second,

442
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 2: I mean spoiler alert, but this whole piece is aren't

443
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: depending on a huge lie. In my opinion, Wikipedia defines

444
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: neoliberalism as primarily a twentieth century resurgence of the nineteenth

445
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 2: century ideas associated with lezard faire economic liberalism. Such ideas

446
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 2: include economic liberalization policies such as privatization, austerity, deregulation, and

447
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 2: free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to

448
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: increase the role of the private sector in the economy

449
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: and society. These market based ideas and these policies they

450
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 2: inspire constitute a paradigm shift away from the postwar Conesian consensus,

451
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,239
Speaker 2: which lasted from nineteen forty five to nineteen eighty. So

452
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: things like privatized prison, military industrial complex being privatized, like

453
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: the supporting that's what that When people call you a neoliberal,

454
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 2: that's what they're saying you do. You don't know what

455
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: they're talking about. And that may be the first thing

456
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: that white that black people have culturally appropriated from white people.

457
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: Says the other n word nigga, cause I'll get you'll

458
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: get called that sometimes by like a black leftist and stuff.

459
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: It's like you must just hang out with white people

460
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 2: all day. That that critique false, flat against black people.

461
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 2: None of us are sitting around like, you know what

462
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 2: I really want? Privatized school system, privatized prison, that's what

463
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: I'm that's what I vote for. That's you know, when

464
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 2: I sit down in the booth, I'm like, that's a

465
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: good idea, let's privatize those prisons. But it's a it's

466
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: a quick buzzword that you throw out. It captures a

467
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Speaker 2: lot of stuff. You don't even know what it means.

468
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: I like they have to people to say, don't know

469
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Speaker 2: that's what they're saying. As I said, it might as well,

470
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Speaker 2: I said a long time ago, it might as well

471
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 2: say big, mean poopyhead, right, It really might as well

472
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Speaker 2: be that. I'd be like, if you think you're hurt

473
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Speaker 2: my feelings, you ain't right, Like, okay, is that just

474
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Speaker 2: a slur? You're gonna call me cool? Because you should

475
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: probably look up the definition and make sure that that's

476
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Speaker 2: fitting with what I'm saying, because that's not what I'm

477
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Speaker 2: saying anyway. He says. Tanahasee Coast is a neoliberal face

478
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Speaker 2: of the black freedom struggle. Mm hmm, I won't.

479
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, come on, let me read this ship.

480
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: Tannahsei Coats. We were eight Years in Power, a book

481
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Speaker 2: about Barack Obama's presidency and the tenacity of white supremacy,

482
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: has captured the attention of many of us. One crucial

483
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: question is why, now, in this moment, has this apolitical

484
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: pessimism gained such wide acceptance. Coats and I come from

485
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 2: a great tradition of the black freedom struggle. He represents

486
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Speaker 2: the neoliberal wing that sounds militant about white supremacy but

487
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: rendas the black fight back invincible. This wing reached the

488
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Speaker 2: benefits of the neoliberal drink. Every time he say neoliberal, everybody,

489
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: go go get coffee or something. I know y'all at work,

490
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 2: don't don't get fired. But let's play a little game. Okay,

491
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: so I think so far we should be at two drinks.

492
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 2: Let me get two sets. I should have got some wine,

493
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: I know. Let me get your song. You think we

494
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: got time for someone? I mean you can get read.

495
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 2: I can get your song. Well, no, I don't want

496
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: to miss no little liberals, So go ahead, you can

497
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: get the wine. I will stall. Go ahead, Karen's getting

498
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Speaker 2: the wine. Y'a always listen. I like my black blackademic

499
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Speaker 2: beef with grapes. Okay, I need a little alcohol to

500
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: go at this. It's good. This don't happen. I feel

501
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: like this only happens about once every year and a half.

502
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: But when these niggas come out with a book and

503
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 2: somebody get mad, like, you know, these books don't write themselves,

504
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: you know, so we gotta we gotta wait. I can chill,

505
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: okay on a little bit of on the blackademic beef.

506
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Speaker 2: We'll start over when Karen gets back. Okay, I'm sorry,

507
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Speaker 2: I got I didn't. I didn't realize how how good

508
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Speaker 2: this is gonna get to me. Okay, oh oh you

509
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Speaker 2: need me openness? All right? Let me see what this does.

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Speaker 3: There?

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Speaker 2: You go? Oh, I like that? What is this called

512
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Speaker 2: peach Sparkle tiny by Verdi shout out to try and

513
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Speaker 2: gowine Coke. Don't forget to remind me to use that code.

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Speaker 2: Uh there's some free advertising. Don't get me use that

515
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Speaker 2: code for trying gowineco dot com care because I'm gonna

516
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 2: need that in my life. But yeah, as soon as

517
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Speaker 2: you get back, we'll get the party started again. I

518
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: hate I started to get y'all all rapped up, but uh,

519
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: you know need this alcohol and this and this is

520
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: a long beef too, like the the the critique that

521
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: code that Cornell wrote was short. In my opinion, it wasn't.

522
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 2: It wasn't as good as when med went in nigga.

523
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: He read him for filth. I'm talking volume mists, okay,

524
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 2: I mean personal anecdotes. I mean, oh, y'all listen. If

525
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: y'all don't do nothing else, if you are premium, you

526
00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: gotta find the Blackademic Beef episode uh for for uh

527
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: for the blackout tips because it was too good. Thank

528
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Speaker 2: you back. All right, there we go. I got my

529
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: wine now feeling fancy. Yeahk it says shit's about to

530
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: get fancy, and you know it's not a better word

531
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Speaker 2: for these big ass these big ass words. It is

532
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: gonna get fancy. The last time we had Blackademic Beef

533
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: was episode nine thirty four, Blackademic Beef, April twenty first, fifteen,

534
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: two years ago. That's been a while. And mine said,

535
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: she's about to get sloppy. Oh you know what, you're

536
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: drink right too. Shout out to our fans and sit

537
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: us thease a toast to you caring. Come on, let's

538
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: get back to this beef though. Okay, we got we

539
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: got this coming, and Cornell's getting in position. So we

540
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: was at two neoliberals. Let me take you one more silk,

541
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: two neoliberals. Here we go. This wing reached the benefits

542
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: of the neoliberal establishment that rewards silences. Wait, is that

543
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: another neoliberal? Did I read that one? Already neiliberal one? Okay, no, no, okay,

544
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: this wing reached the benefits of the neoliberal establishment that

545
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: rewards silences on issues such as Wall Street greed or

546
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and people. The disagreement between

547
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: Coats and me is clear. Any analysis or vision of

548
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: our world that omissed the centrality of Wall Street power,

549
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 2: US military policies, and the complex dynamics of class, gender,

550
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: and sexuality in Black America is too narrow and dangerously misleading.

551
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: So it is with tannahsi Coast worldview. Here's the thing

552
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: I'm reading the book. I read Tanahsey coasts work. Over

553
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: the last eight years. He has literally talked about all

554
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: these things, like maybe the one thing I will say

555
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: he didn't talk about that much is Palestine. But even

556
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: if you ask him, he don't know. And here's something

557
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: I think all of us can practice a little bit

558
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: more of, like something I believe in. Sometimes I don't

559
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: know what the fuck I'm talking about, so I don't

560
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: say nothing. I'll try to find out more and I'll

561
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: say something if I know more, but I don't know.

562
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: We don't talk about Palestine on this podcast. I don't

563
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: know enough. The only thing I know is that Palestine

564
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: is the good guys and Israel is the bad guys,

565
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: and we should all be on Palestine side. That's it,

566
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: Free Palestine, hashag. You know, that's all you know that

567
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: most people in America. And if you can't admit that ignorance,

568
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: if you don't know what, you've never been there, you

569
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: never talked to enough people, you haven't read enough about it,

570
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: then shut the fuck up, right so that, like I can,

571
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: I can relate to shutting the fuck up. That's what

572
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But a lot of times what happens with

573
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: these fears, they use the fact that you're not talking

574
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: about something as oh, you don't care about this, or

575
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: you must agree with this other part of it, or

576
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: I just don't know. My job's not to know everything, nobody.

577
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: My job is to talk about the areas of expertise

578
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: that I possess. Right, that's it. Anyway, the disagreement between

579
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: coachs and me is clear. Any analysis or vision of

580
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: our world that a Mississippi. Oh, I already said that,

581
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: all right, coach rightly highlights the vicious legacy of white

582
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: supremacy pass and present. He sees it everywhere and ever

583
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: reminds us of his plundering effects. Unfortunately, he hardly keeps

584
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: track of I'll fight Back, and never connects this ugly

585
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: legacy to the predatory capitalist practices, imperial policies of war, occupation, detension,

586
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: and assassination, or the black elite refusal to confront poverty,

587
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: patriarchy or transphobia. I gotta say that also, that is

588
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: a goddamn wive Like it's as so, And I guess

589
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: it's because I just read the book I have. It's

590
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: not been long enough for me to forget like, but

591
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: he does talk about resistance. He does talk about like

592
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it's an entire fucking chapter on the Malcolm

593
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: X versus like Obama and the politics of respectability and

594
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: also the politics of black revolution. There's many, many different

595
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: quotes from like activists and stuff like it's but anyway,

596
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: Coats will prove all the shitla. I'm glad he took

597
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: the time because while I knew this was a lot,

598
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like taking the time to point out

599
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: how I was just like this Nigga be lying moving on.

600
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: In short, Coach fetishizes white supremacy. He makes it almighty, magical,

601
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: and unremovable. What concerns me is his narrative of defiance.

602
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: For Coach, defiance is narrowly aesthetic, a personal commitment to writing,

603
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: with no connection to collective actions. It generates crocodile tears

604
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: of neoliberals who have no intention of sharing power, of

605
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: giving up privilege. Did say Neil Liberal about hope, I

606
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: don't finish if we got them off if we do?

607
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: Uh?

608
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: You know, also a thing I'll throw out here. West

609
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: has been at this much longer. The are white people

610
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: giving up power because of the books you wrote? Are they?

611
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: Like?

612
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: What have you changed essentially other than showing up at

613
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: these events, taking these checks, glad handing Bill Maher, giving

614
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: him a pass on his shit like putting out rap

615
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: albums and being in movies, Like, what exactly have you

616
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: done to make me feel like? Oh, you know what? Dog?

617
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: It's different when he do it, you know, being on

618
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: the front line or protests and getting arrested is some

619
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: shit that I'll never do and I will always admire.

620
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: But at the same time, to come at people because

621
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: that's not the path that they chose. Feels wrong to me.

622
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: It does because we all you know, because when you

623
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: talk about things like that, everybody don't want to be

624
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: the front line.

625
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: But it don't mean that what they're doing is is

626
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: worthless because it's not what you're doing. Right. This is

627
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm not demeaning the man's work, but

628
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, you've done things that if it weren't you,

629
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: you shit on like to say, this man is just

630
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: you know, trying to generate crocodile tears or neoliberals. Is

631
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: your work not creating the same crocodile tears? Have you

632
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: seen changes in the academic space because of you know

633
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: what I'm saying where it's like this is effective change

634
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: for more than just you, but for everybody, Like we

635
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: now treat black people differently because Cornell West told us,

636
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, like I think white I personally feel like

637
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: white supremacy is like a river and it'll just you

638
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: throw a stone in the river, it still goes around it,

639
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: and you could be the biggest stone in the world.

640
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: It'll erode you over time and just just what it does.

641
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: So I don't feel as I guess I don't get

642
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: as disappointed in people either, because I don't expect them

643
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: to have but so much change. And I think Coast

644
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: approaches in a very realistic fashion of like, look, man,

645
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: I've said my peace, I've made my case. I've explained

646
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: that this is a plunder on our society. White people

647
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: have listened to me. I still don't expect him to

648
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 2: do shit. You know, I'm not even gonna get into uh,

649
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna save that next part for us.

650
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: It's gonna come back up anyway. When he honestly asks

651
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: how do you defy a power that insists on claiming you?

652
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: The answer should be clear. They claim you because you

653
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: are silent on what is a threat to that order,

654
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: especially Wall Street and war. You defy them when you

655
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: threaten that order. Once again, Coach is talked about Wall Street, War,

656
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 2: He's talked about the housing market, cool whatever. Coach tries

657
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: to justify his defiance by an appeal to black atheism,

658
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: to a disbelief in dreams and moral appeal. He's not.

659
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: He not only has no expectations of white people at all,

660
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: but for him, if freedom means anything at all, it

661
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 2: is this defiance That's the part I talked about when

662
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: I said earlier, there's like people's biggest critique of Coach

663
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: is that he won't he refuses to believe that quote unquote,

664
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: we will win. He really thinks that this is the

665
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 2: greatest tragedy. Our story of not just America, but black

666
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: lives in America is a tragedy, a Greek basically a

667
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: Greek tragedy. We will not succeed, won't get free, won't wins.

668
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: We won't overcome the white supremacy. They are out to

669
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: destroy us. It's not our fault. We're not crazy. And

670
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: to me, I agree with that, and it's refreshing because

671
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: I'm sick of bullshit. I'm sick of fake hope. I'm

672
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 2: sick of God gonna do this, someone coming to save us,

673
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: but they not. And there's nothing in human history to

674
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: convince me that we should feel that way. Everything factually

675
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: tells me the opposite. That hit will just more. Oh cool,

676
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: We know slavery, Jim Crow obs, Get Jim crow walls

677
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: out of their segregation, get segregation out of his well.

678
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: Then hold up now massive carceration. Like everything he's changing

679
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: back to, let's put black bodies away, let's put them

680
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 2: in subjugation. And it's not our fault. We're not crazy,

681
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: we're not morally failed, we're not bad people Like I

682
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: don't understand how that's soul easy to say or so

683
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 2: offensive to people to say, like stop believing in bullshit.

684
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: Right, because because when you accept that, you face the

685
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: reality that the world is fucked up. It's so many

686
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: people don't want to believe that the world is just

687
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: that fuck up.

688
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I don't mean to tell people not to

689
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: have hope, but because I know, you don't have to

690
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: make me. You don't have to You don't get to

691
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: make me have hope because you do. You know, I

692
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: get to look at the same things you do and

693
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, I don't see the path out, like

694
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: some miracle gonna have to happen before I see it,

695
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: because I don't see the miracle coming. Like this is

696
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: the same country that elected Trump, right anyway, So he

697
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: goes on to say, note that his perception of white

698
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: people is tribal, and this conception of freedom is neoliberal.

699
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: God damn, oh godd, God's racial groups are homogeneous and

700
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: freedom is individualist. In his world, classes don't exist and

701
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: empires are none existent, as in to say that Coach

702
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 2: doesn't talk about class. It's a lot like it doesn't matter.

703
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: Like I was talking to this dude yesterday and he

704
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: was kind of like, well, you got a point on

705
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: some things. I'm like, does it not matter to you

706
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: that he's a lion. I think it was miss Znzi

707
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: who said on Twitter he's the Xala Banks of blackademics,

708
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's right. There you go. It's a

709
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: person that has They're wrong so often, hypocritical, so often

710
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: I will find another messenger to receive this from. Yeah,

711
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: I don't feel any allegiance to protect this man's message

712
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 2: when I know he's he's also lying. I've read the book,

713
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: I've read these, these editorials and these essays he's he's

714
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: literally had Well, we'll get to his defense. We'll get

715
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 2: to it anyway. This presidency, he writes, opened a market

716
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: for a new wave of black pungits intellectuals, writers and journalists,

717
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: one that Coach himself has benefitted from. And his old

718
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: literary dreams are successful, facilitated by a black neoliberal president

719
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: who got femis. Really, how I'm go on finished? This

720
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: is some drunk all right? Sorry, Black neoliberal president who

721
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: ruled for a you're drinking hard, silp, I mean, listen,

722
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: I said I would sip here you go, I'm going,

723
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm doing reading all this, okay, right, and

724
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 2: a neoliberal president who ruled for eight years an example

725
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: of black respect respectability, good Negro government. For the record,

726
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: Coach is not with the respe respectability. So he quoted

727
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: that like, yeah, he described Obama as black respectability, good

728
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: Nego government. But those are colmost like pejorative terms, like

729
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: they were descriptive too, because they were trying to go

730
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: back to the eight years of Negro government that happened

731
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: during right before what do you call it, uh reconstruction,

732
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: So he was trying to relate it back to that

733
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 2: and how white people were voted in because Niggas bring

734
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: government that weren't bad at it, and that's kind of

735
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: what we got now. Anyway. Coach reveals his preoccupation with

736
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: white acceptance when he writes with genuine euphoria, as I

737
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,479
Speaker 2: watched Barack Obama shoot start, start, shoot across the political sky,

738
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: I had never seen so many white people chair on

739
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: a black man who was neither an athlete nor an entertainer.

740
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: And it seemed that they loved him for this, and

741
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: I thought in those days that they might love me too.

742
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: That was the part where he That was the part

743
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: where I don't think I got so upset with him

744
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 2: for doing that. So that chapter is like the first

745
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: chapter in the book. Coach is describing how he felt

746
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: the night of the election in two thousand and eight,

747
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 2: the way most black people felt, the way America felt,

748
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: And he's describing the general euphoria of the nation at

749
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: that time. And you're a goddamn lie if you don't

750
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: talk about how people were so happy, so elated, they

751
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. It was the post racial America, like

752
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: people were. People had a moment. Jesse Jackson was crying

753
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: on TV like, are we really gonna act like people?

754
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: Getting swept up in that? With some sort of like

755
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: oh well, only coachs and his love for the president.

756
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: A lot of people went, was I wrong? A lot

757
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 2: of black people in there was I wrong about America?

758
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: Have I thought, because it was a running joke there

759
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: will never be a black president, first black president gonna

760
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: have to run around. We still thought he's gonna get

761
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: killed and all this shit. The whole time.

762
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: Like, y'all literally you know it, And even now I'm like,

763
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 3: they still out his ass.

764
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: So I hope the Secret Services keep up their job.

765
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: So I like how he frames it that way. Now.

766
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: In the same page, in the same chapter, Coach goes

767
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: on to basically talk about how foolhardy that moment was

768
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: and how he come to like regret it, almost like

769
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 2: to look back on it, like I was so naive

770
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: to even at myself for a second to enjoy this

771
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: quote unquote victory and to think, oh, well, whiteness has changed.

772
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: I may have been wrong in my assertion. Is it like,

773
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 2: this is a lie, This is a lie of o mission.

774
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: It is framing him as somehow being stuck here for

775
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: eight years or somehow believing that for more than a

776
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: night like that is that is so shady to do

777
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: to somebody. You know. It's almost like taking if I

778
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: said a joke sarcastically, if y'all took it and said, well,

779
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: you know, Rod said it's okay to slap babies. It's like,

780
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: but he said that as a joke, Well he said it.

781
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: I mean, well, it's like, yeah, he said it, but

782
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: it was He immediately said, I'm just messing with y'all

783
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: or whatever. And then you went, I'm gonna leave that

784
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: part out of my review of the podcast and just

785
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: say he like slapping babies, Like that's how ridiculous it

786
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: sounds to me as someone who has just read the books,

787
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: you know. And after that, I was just like, yeah,

788
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: that's so petty. I refuse to acknowledge anything else in

789
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: this joint. Somebody else has made these critiques all their Coach,

790
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: and they were better, and they weren't Patty, and they

791
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: weren't motivated by hopefully jealousy. There's no doubt that the

792
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: marketing of Coach, like the marketing of anyone, warrant suspicion.

793
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: What about the marketing in yourself? Then? Why should I

794
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: be suspicious of the album?

795
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: You know? Because people praise you too, you know, because

796
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: I'll heard you talk about I like, Yeah, people praise

797
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: you and put you on a pair of stool and

798
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 3: that's how you became a household name to a lot

799
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 3: of people.

800
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: And to me, there's nothing wrong with that, right right?

801
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: But I mean, should I be responsible? Should I be

802
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: suspicious of you being in in a couple of Matrix movies?

803
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: Should I be suspicious of that man. Should I be

804
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: suspicious of the rap album? Should I be? I mean,

805
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: you tell me? Or is it just when it's other people,

806
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: That's why I should be suspicious. But when it's you,

807
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: it's cool. Right, no questions asked? Right you good? Does

808
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: the profiteering of fatalism about white supremacy and pessimism of

809
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: black freedom fit well in the age of Trump an

810
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 2: age of neo fascism US style? I mean, is it

811
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: about the age of Trump? Or is just that's the

812
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: truth because he's been feeling this way since before Trump.

813
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: He's been writing the same shit for eight years. That's

814
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: the whole point. The book actually takes place before Trump.

815
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 2: So if you're not worried that because Trump came to power,

816
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: where black people need to start like pretending that or

817
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: we have to all believe the same shit, We're gonna

818
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: overcome this. That's bullshit. People told y'all before. Motherfuckers like

819
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: you told people to throw their votes away to a

820
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: third party. People told everybody like yo, this shit is serious, right?

821
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: Are people are going to die because of your choices,

822
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: because of the choices of this country. We it's all

823
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 2: hands on deck now. If there was ever a time

824
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: for us to feel like if we need to all

825
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: be together and thinking together, that shit was last November

826
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: and you didn't give a fuck, then right, refuse to

827
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: refuse to give a fuck. You don't get this, didn't

828
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: turn around and be like, I can't believe y'all we're

829
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 2: not all on the same page. Ironically, it was Bill

830
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: Martin told Cornell Wess like, hey man, we're gonna repeat

831
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: the same mistakes the last time. As long as you

832
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: feel this way about Hillary Clinton and the Democratic establishment, like,

833
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: it's just gonna keep happening. You know. I had to

834
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: tell somebody that on my Facebook page one day. I

835
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: was like, hey, you might be over this shit and

836
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: ready to move on and make amends, but I don't

837
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: think amends can be made until people admit how fucked

838
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: up twenty sixteen was. Come on, if you don't want

839
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: to do it again, because I don't see any reason

840
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: it can't keep happening. I don't see why twenty eighteen

841
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: or twenty twenty can be different. As long as everyone

842
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: thinks my shit more important to everybody else's shit. I

843
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: have one point one vote and that's all I care about,

844
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: you know, because white people are gonna white come on anyway.

845
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: Coach wisely invokes the bleak worldview of the late great

846
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: Derek Bell. But bell I reveled in the black fight back,

847
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: rejoiced in black resistance, and risked his life and career

848
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: based on his love for black people injustice. Needless to say,

849
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: the greatest truth teller about white supremacy in the twentieth century,

850
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: Malcolm X, was also deeply pessimistic about America. Yet his

851
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: pessimism was neither cheap nor abstract. Peeped the shade he

852
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: called kaze coats basically not of the struggle, said, his

853
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: pessimism is cheap and abstract, whatever that means, as if

854
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: there's any I was reading a piece a by very

855
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: smart brothers Damon Young. He was like, Uh, there's no

856
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: black person on the sidelines in America. Everybody's in the game.

857
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: If you black, dot matter. If you don't want to

858
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: be or not right regardless of it, don't matter. If

859
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: you don't want to play the game, motherfucker, you're playing

860
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: it Like, I'm sorry he took your speaking gig. I'm

861
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: sorry he booked your spot on a panel. That's what

862
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: that boiled down to. But ended it day. But this

863
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: nigga came from shit too.

864
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: Riot, and you can't dismiss it because it didn't come

865
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: from in your same background.

866
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: Not to mention what he will do. He's still young,

867
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: like he's still we don't even know where, Like you

868
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: didn't know where he would be eight years ago. You

869
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: don't know where he'll be eight years from now, you know,

870
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: but oh cool, Yeah, his pessimism was neither cheat nor abstract.

871
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: It was earned, soaked in blood and tears of love

872
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: for black people in justice. Implying that somehow coachs does

873
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 2: not have love for black people in justice. I don't

874
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: think that's unfair to say that that's what he's implying. Unfortunately,

875
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: Coach's allegiance to Obama has produced an impoverished understanding of

876
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: black history. I find that to be fucking hilarious. I

877
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: have read pieces of my coach on our show and

878
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: been like, that's almost unfairly arched to Obama, like that,

879
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 2: I don't feel the consideration in that, Like it's almost

880
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: like he's trying to make a name by being so

881
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: hard on Obama that we're supposed to sit back and

882
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, so I guess this nigga. Fuck with

883
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: Obama then got it. You know what I'm saying. I

884
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: think time has helped those pieces age kindly. I think

885
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: he's added perspective to it. He's even you know, there

886
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: was even a even in the beginning, he didn't even

887
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: have access to the president, so he couldn't even really

888
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,479
Speaker 2: let me turn this down. In the beginning, he didn't

889
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: have access to the president, so he couldn't even interview

890
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: on So you're writing about a you are writing in

891
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: an abstract, You're writing about the things that he said

892
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: that you disagree with. You're writing about the policies he's

893
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: had that you don't like. And he continued to do that,

894
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: he never stopped. But at the same time, to call

895
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 2: that an allegiance to Obama, I think is a huge misrepresentation,

896
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: you know, And I think the West does that with everyone,

897
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: anyone who's even approaching fairness, even mindedness towards Obama. He

898
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: feels as a sick of fan and they just on

899
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: his deck and he's the only one keeping it real

900
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: about Obama, regardless of how many people have abandoned him

901
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: at this point, how many people have told him like

902
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: this obsession of yours is bordering on and saying you

903
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: didn't get those those inauguration tickets. I feel you, but

904
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 2: come on, this is ridiculous and uh, specifically looking at

905
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: how he's given certain politicians and certain stuff of past,

906
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: it feels disingenuous. You know. It feels like you was

907
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: cool with certain folks and then it happened to be

908
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: a nigga that didn't fuck with you, and now fuck everything.

909
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: But that's just how I feel on the outside looking

910
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: at he says, he revels this. He reveals this when

911
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 2: he writes Izie Davis famously eulogized Malcolm X's our live

912
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,479
Speaker 2: in black manhood and our own black shining Prince. Only

913
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: one man today could bear those twin honorifics, Barack Obama.

914
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 2: This gross misunderstanding of who Malcolm X was the greatest

915
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: prophetic voice against the American Empire and who Barack Obama

916
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: is the first black head of the American Empire. Speaks

917
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: volumes about coach neoliberal view of the world. Up I occurred.

918
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm sipping. I'm sipping, motherfucker. By the way, I encourage

919
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: people to go read that piece. I think it's still

920
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: in the Atlantic, but you'll see that it's not that

921
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 2: It wasn't Coach going Obama and Malcolm X the same.

922
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: It was him saying they evoke the same feeling from

923
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 2: Black America, which is this pride, and they also believe

924
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: in respectability. Malcolm believed in a lot of respectability shit too,

925
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: Like he believed in self sufficiency, self dependency, and Obama

926
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: to a certain extent, still espouses that. But people have

927
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: soured on respectability politics in general, so people don't fuck

928
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: with it no more. But you know, and we and

929
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 2: Malcolm's dead, so we romanticize Malcolm more than we would

930
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 2: have people still alive. You know, there's still a lot

931
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: of patriarchal things he believed it. There's still a lot

932
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: of issues that he had around, you know, the self reliance.

933
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: You need to dress a certain way, you need to

934
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: eat a certain way, you need to look a certain way,

935
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: you need to you know, like there was a lot

936
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 2: of that too. You know, people are complex, you know. Anyway,

937
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 2: Coach praise Obama as a deeply moral human being while

938
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: remaining silence on the five hundred and sixty three Drone

939
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: strikes the assassination of US citizens with no trial, the

940
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: twenty six one hundred and seventy one bombs dropped on

941
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: five Muslim majority countries in twenty sixteen, and the five

942
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty Palestinian children killed with US supported planes

943
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: in fifty one days, et cetera. He calls Obama one

944
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: of the greatest presidents in the American history, who for

945
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: eight years walked on ice and never fell. Two things here,

946
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: coaches brought up all that shit. The other part, he's

947
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: still the greatest president. Who would you name better?

948
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 3: And what president do we know that would be a

949
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: president of this country that has not made decisions like

950
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: this drone like people act like Obama was supposed to

951
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: come and just.

952
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 2: Be like, you know what, all this shit we've been doing,

953
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: fuck it. It don't work like that, right. It's just

954
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: interesting because they hate that question of Okay, so then

955
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: who's better? Who is better? Is it the person that

956
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: dropped the bomb on Japan? Pass all these social welfare plans,

957
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: but kill these people? You know it? Would you would

958
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: you put it to Lincoln who didn't mean the free

959
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: to slaves? What kind of free to slaves? Half slaves

960
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: of his own? You know? Would you would you give

961
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 2: it to him? Would you put him above Obama? You know?

962
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: Would you put it, would you who would you put?

963
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: You know, like it's like it's funny because that list's

964
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: gonna be short as fuck. Come on, I ain't saying

965
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: you can't put nobody above them. The lists gonna be

966
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: short as fucking you know it. But that's the part

967
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 2: you don't want to admit. The office of presidency does

968
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: not lend itself to great human beings. And in light

969
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 2: of the way that we like to judge it from

970
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: the morality of do no harm, it just it doesn't exist.

971
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: We don't have a president that can do that because

972
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: we're in perialistic nation that was built and founded on that,

973
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 2: you know, and not to mention Coach talked about all that,

974
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: but he goes in on Obama sometimes and I'd be like,

975
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's true, but at the same time, I

976
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: don't know what, Like that president hasn't existed yet, the

977
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: one that we want to see, right, that's the big

978
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: president that that nigga ain't nowhere to be found, right,

979
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 2: the one that no wars, no bombs, no just no right,

980
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: I'm just supposed to be peace on earth, right, And

981
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 2: then you know, no, you know, like that one just

982
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: hasn't existed, you know, We've had isolationism in America before

983
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: and it ended with Pearl Harbor. Like it just ain't

984
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: as it's not as cutting dry as people like to

985
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: put it. But fine, you know, so yeah, and when

986
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: h and also when Coach talks about walking on ice

987
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: and never fail, he's talking about stuff like personal scandals,

988
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 2: He's talking about stuff like corruption ship like that as well.

989
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 2: But you know, Coach would never I mean, West would

990
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: never give up that. It is clear that his narrow

991
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: racial tribalism in my by the way, he also talked

992
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: bad saying he wants acceptance from these white people. But

993
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: that tribalism comment kind of lends itself to him toe

994
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: like not all white people, Coach, Okay, calm down. Some

995
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 2: of these white people are good, and that's how we're

996
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 2: gonna be white, you know what I mean. Like that's

997
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: his assertion. And I'm like, niggas them the same people

998
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: buying your tickets.

999
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 3: Same people, And I think he understands it's the same pool,

1000
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 3: and he would is getting smaller and smaller, and I

1001
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 3: think he begins to panic.

1002
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: Right all right, hold on, I gotta turned up to

1003
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: the beef music. All right, there you go, living all right,

1004
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: It is clear that his narrow racial tribalism and myopic

1005
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: political neo liveralism come on, has no place for keeping

1006
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 2: track of Wall Street greed, US imperial crimes, or black

1007
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: elite indifference to poverty. For example, by the way, literally

1008
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 2: todder Hosie coacht first very first piece was about Bill

1009
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 2: Cosey and how as an elite black man, like how

1010
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: he was going at people for being poor being black.

1011
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: His first piece, did you read the book? I don't

1012
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 2: think he read the book. I I hate to be look.

1013
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 2: Mike erg dice To called a nigga lazy. This is

1014
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: lazy and I and I said it such when I

1015
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: first read, I said, that was lazy, it's undependent on lies.

1016
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 2: It was just mantled within ten hours. I can't all

1017
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: back on Twitter at ten motherfuckers is already like this

1018
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: is why, this is wrong, This is wrong, this is wrong.

1019
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, that's so stupid. You're too smart

1020
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: to say something that can be dismantled that easily. You

1021
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: could have gives copying and paste on black women that

1022
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: already wrote this shit if you really wanted to go

1023
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 2: in on coachs. Because people have done the research better

1024
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: than you. I mean, and this is your field.

1025
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 3: You ought to know that when you do stuff like this,

1026
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 3: you have to give like.

1027
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: Notes and and yeah, assuming he wrote it right, assuming

1028
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: he wrote it, no place for keeping track of Wall Street, Green,

1029
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: US imperial crimes, or black of leading difference to the poverty,

1030
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: for example, there's no serious attention to the plight of

1031
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 2: the most vulnerable in our community, the LGBT people who

1032
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: are disproportionately affect by violence, poverty, neglect, and disrespect. And

1033
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: I've seen people put that quote towards put that critique

1034
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: towards Coach's earlier work. I've seen it. I think he's

1035
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: improved in those areas, but will also have receipts. So

1036
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: we'll see if people agree or not. The disagreements between

1037
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: Coats and not a substantive and serious I would be

1038
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: wrong to construe. It would be wrong to construe my

1039
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 2: quest for truth and justice is motivated by pettiness. Ha

1040
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: ah ha ha. Do it feel wrong to y'all? Do

1041
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: it feel wrong? Even a dude that hit me up

1042
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 2: on Twitter that was defending this shit the other yesterday

1043
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: was like, well, I mean, yes, he is being petty.

1044
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm like well, damn that kind of fucking I don't

1045
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: know how you get that, but I can only speak

1046
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 2: for myself. That shit undermines a whole ass argument, lies

1047
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: and pettiness. I don't this ain't fucking real housewives. I'm

1048
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: not required to listen to you after you lying and

1049
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: being petty, I can go oh, I would prefer to

1050
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 2: have some want to talk about this. It's not lying

1051
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: and being petty, just my personal preference. Must every serious

1052
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: critique be reduced to a vicious takedown or an ugly

1053
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: act of hatred? I don't know, spider Man, point a

1054
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: spider Man? Must it? Can we not acknowledge that there

1055
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: are deep disagreements among us with our very lives and

1056
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 2: destinies at state? Okay? Now see this is the self

1057
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: importance that I get to with all the blackademien shit,

1058
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: which is kind of why it turns me off. None

1059
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: of you niggas are gonna save us, none of us,

1060
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: none of you, you know what I mean? Like, you

1061
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: can be impactful, you can speak to things like none

1062
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: of you are have the solution that is gonna fix

1063
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 2: white supremacy, and people are gonna all listen to it

1064
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: and magically do it Yep, it's just it's not how

1065
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 2: it's gonna work. It never has worked that way. James

1066
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: Baldwin was brilliant, and people are still like, I mean,

1067
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 2: but nigga white people ain't trying to hear that shit.

1068
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: Like it's clap clap for this speech while he's in

1069
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 2: our face, read his book, quote him, and then we

1070
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: go about our white ass lives.

1071
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we clap for him while he's talking about

1072
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 3: shit that quote unquote isn't directly affected with through our country.

1073
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Like yeah, when they clapped for him, it

1074
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: was like Oxford or whatever, they were oh so great. Yeah,

1075
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 2: if you're talking about American y'all are in the UK

1076
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: doing the same shit the niggas there.

1077
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: Come on, and if one of y'all black people that

1078
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 3: was born and raised and stopped pulling that jib shit,

1079
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 3: you wouldn't be.

1080
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: Fucking clapping, right It is even? Is it even possible

1081
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: to downplay career moves and personal insecurities in order to

1082
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: highlight our clashing and conflicting ways of viewing the cold

1083
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: and cool world we act. I staying with those like

1084
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: Robin D. G, Kelly Gerald, Horn, Amne Perry, and Barbara Ramsby,

1085
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 2: who by the way, he does this every time you

1086
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: try to take somebody down. He's toldst a bunch of

1087
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: like activists and academics or whatever. Tanahasey coast An offer.

1088
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: He not trying to be an activist, brou It's not

1089
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: the same lane. He's an essayist, you know what I mean. Like,

1090
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: it's not it's just funny. It's just funny. You know

1091
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: who represent the radical wing of the Black freedom struggle.

1092
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: We refuse to disconnect white supremacy from the realities of

1093
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: class empire, other forms of domination, be it ecological, sexual,

1094
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: or others. The saying cannot be said for tying to

1095
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: written by Cornell West, a professor of practice of public

1096
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: philosophy at a white university called Harvard. He's an author

1097
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: of Race Matters. Make sure you pick up this book.

1098
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: All the money will go to socialism, none of it

1099
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: will go to his big ass house or the other

1100
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: things that let me click on this link. I think

1101
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: if I go on Amazon, I'm sure his book will

1102
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: be free for black people. Oh No, twelve nineteen m

1103
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,959
Speaker 2: I still have to pay for Okay Kendo fourteen ninety

1104
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: nine full price. They got an audio book too, Do

1105
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: I pay this in the ballooms or no cash? You're

1106
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: that American dollar? Y'll usu us. Okay, well I'm sure

1107
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 2: I will send him some coins. Maybe he won't be

1108
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: as mad at some point. Uh. Anyway, so he said

1109
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: all that shit, and uh, you know, good for him

1110
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: or whatnot. You know, I thought it was kind of

1111
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: kind of ridiculous and patty and easily dismissed and underpinning

1112
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: with lies, which actually makes me sad like to be

1113
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: to be if I'm being honest, like you cannot like

1114
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: him and you know, not low on the dude, Like

1115
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why it came to that, you know,

1116
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: but I think if if he don't feel that his

1117
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 2: credibility is worth much, then it's just not gonna be

1118
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: worth much anyway. Tynasi coachs had time. Oh shit, right,

1119
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 2: And I know he normally doesn't respond to of his

1120
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: word period, but I think him and Cornell just like

1121
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: the third time. So yeah, he was like, oh look,

1122
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: I'm tired of you.

1123
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 3: Right.

1124
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: So he started on Twitter. Uh yeah right, blackademic beef

1125
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: going to Twitter to the streets.

1126
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 3: I'm talking about what one hundred and forty characters A

1127
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 3: little bit more now.

1128
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: For I don't know what the new number is, I

1129
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: still do one forty. By the way, I saw somebody

1130
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 2: be like, and this is why we should have black

1131
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 2: women as as the people who represent blackademia more because

1132
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: these men and these egos, and I was like, women

1133
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 2: got egos to dollars. You know. I follow y'all right,

1134
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 2: Like y'all niggas fight too. It's just niggas gonna fight.

1135
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 2: It's fine. I'm here for the jokes, but everybody got

1136
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: their way jokes. You know. That's I've relaxed on all

1137
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: that shit because I'm like, we black. None of y'all

1138
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: got the solution. And if you did have it, white

1139
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: people ain't gonna do it. Why would I be mad

1140
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: at you about some shit neither one of us can control,

1141
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 2: you know, like cool? You know, as long as you're

1142
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: not cooling an airtime black, Like, I don't care you

1143
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: think we need socialism? Cool. I hope that shit comes

1144
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 2: through when we get fixed. But where I am right now,

1145
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,479
Speaker 2: I don't see it right Like it's cool. Your vision

1146
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: for the future is different in mine, Like you do

1147
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: realize neither one of us can make these white folks

1148
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: act right, right, anyway, So Tiderhosseie Coats, who found the Time, said,

1149
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: regarding Cornell West, just want to say I'm happy the

1150
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: book is generating so much debate, happy to let it continue,

1151
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 2: but thought I might offer some context. From what I

1152
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: can tell, the essence of the argument is that my

1153
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: work is generally silent or a mixed elements. Any critique

1154
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: of war, drones, anti LGBT rhetoric and violence, et cetera.

1155
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: Hopefully and looking at these there at these their graphs

1156
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: specifically as key and took quotes from the article. You know,

1157
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: the disagreement between Coats and me is clear. Any analysis

1158
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: or vision of our world that omits the centrality of

1159
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: Wall Street power, US military policies and complex dynamics of class, gender, sexuality,

1160
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: and Black America, it's too narrow and dangerously misleading. So

1161
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: it is with Tannahose coats worldview. It is clear of

1162
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 2: his narrow racial tribalism and myopic political neoliberalism has no

1163
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 2: place keeping track of Wall Street greed. Uh, that's the

1164
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: second time I read that. I'm not drinking this time

1165
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 2: he is just quotes from an article US imperial crimes

1166
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: or Black Elye. It is delicious though US US imperial

1167
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: crimes or black elite indifferent. The only thing you got

1168
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 2: you can't drink, you can do what you want with.

1169
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: For example, there's no serious attention to the plight of

1170
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: the most vulnerable in our community, the LGBT people who

1171
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 2: are disproportionate effected about violence, poverty, and neglect. So then

1172
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 2: Coats says, I'm just gonna step up because I hate

1173
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: when this happens. He's threading something that motherfuckers started hopping

1174
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: in the thread. I didn't come for y'all. I didn't

1175
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: come for y'all in general. I think the public itself

1176
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: can sort this out. Meaning y'all know this nigga line,

1177
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: that's that blackademic speek. But I don't expect people to

1178
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: be familiar with everything I've written and said. So here's

1179
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 2: just a bit of it now. I would like to

1180
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 2: just add here, I need more black people, more people

1181
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 2: in general, more people on Twitter, especially to understand Tanaziko

1182
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: is one of the most red men in the world,

1183
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: meaning people read this shit. Even he knows everybody ain't

1184
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: see everything he ever said. I need you and your people.

1185
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 2: That got five followers, twenty thousand followers, not even lie right,

1186
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 2: I need you to understand, ain't nobody ever read all

1187
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: your shit? Either? Come on the same way. I know,

1188
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody ever listened to all our podcasts the same

1189
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 2: Like there's certain shit that people get an attitude about,

1190
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: like how darev? And it's like, who do you think

1191
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 2: you are? No one keeps up with your shit? I

1192
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: see people do this all the time. Well, I said

1193
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 2: October fourth, two thousand and seven, that I'm like, nobody

1194
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: remembers that refresh my memory anyway? In general, I think

1195
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: that he says here, I am on Obama and dron warfare.

1196
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 2: And he wrote a piece for The Atlantic called the

1197
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: kill List, and he puts a link to it that

1198
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: was in twenty twelve. He talks about, you know, the

1199
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: extra judicial killing of American citizens drones, strikes all that shit, okay,

1200
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 2: or the Obama administration considers any military age male in

1201
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: the vicinity of Obama to be a combatant. That is

1202
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 2: an amazing standard to share as an ugly synergy with the

1203
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 2: stroke sort of broad swatho logic that we see employed

1204
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 2: in stopping Friss, with NYPD National Spy Network, with the

1205
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 2: killer of Trayvon Martin. Policy is informed by the morality

1206
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 2: of a country. I think the repercussions this uninn the

1207
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 2: era of death by silver bird will be profound. Come.

1208
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 2: Oh no, but he, you know, talk about the drown strikes.

1209
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 2: Can remember he don't remember when Cornell West literally just said,

1210
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 2: you don't talk about drawn strikes. He literally not a

1211
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 2: word about Obama. He's too much allegiance. He also wrote

1212
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 2: the excellent age of No Fuss Drones re Markable War.

1213
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: Another one about Obama and drown strikes. This one was

1214
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. I would use myself as my own reference.

1215
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: You can go check it out here. I one more

1216
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: time on Obama and drown welfare. One more time. It's

1217
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 2: so ridiculous at this point, right, do you not feel

1218
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: ridiculous having heard like if you if a part of

1219
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 2: you was, like, you know, West making some good points,

1220
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: do you not already feel like, Oh, this nigga didn't

1221
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 2: even read the book or any of the Code's work.

1222
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: He just doesn't give a fuck. He just wanted to

1223
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 2: shit on this dude. What would old Well make of

1224
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: Obama's drone policy? A recently released memo Release Memo yields

1225
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 2: a few good examples of double talk and also leads

1226
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 2: it up to the present decide how to interpret them.

1227
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: That's February fifth, twenty thirteen. Okay, here I am talking

1228
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: to at Jerry Scott Hill a couple months ago about

1229
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 2: reconciling achievements with war and drone fair And it's a

1230
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 2: quote from an interview that he did. Yeah, it does matter.

1231
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 2: But I think you're asking an important question. I think, frankly,

1232
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: I'm always called to that kind of reconciliation when I

1233
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: study any other president. How do I reconcile the fact

1234
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 2: that Lincoln, you know, ultimately led the war that the

1235
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 2: massipated four million and slaved African Americans, and at the

1236
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: same time, you know, very much held white supremacist attitudes,

1237
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 2: advocated the colonization of black people out of this country.

1238
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: How do I reconcile Lyndon Johnson, pioneer in terms of

1239
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: civil rights legislation and the Vietnam War. How do I

1240
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 2: reconcile Franklin Delano Roosevelt for his efforts and strengthening the

1241
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: social safety net, yet doing that in the back of

1242
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 2: white supremacy in the South. It's tough, man, It's tough,

1243
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 2: you know. Very interesting. I was in Chicago doing some reporting. Right,

1244
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 2: I was arguing with these guys, you know, in the

1245
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 2: academy with a bunch of historians. I love arguing with historians.

1246
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: And I said Obama is a great president. And they

1247
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 2: go oh, and they all get upset, right, And I said, well,

1248
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 2: you know what, you know, the question you have to

1249
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 2: ask is by the scales of what the American presidency

1250
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 2: is not he's a great person, but in the terms

1251
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 2: of what the American presidency is, he's a great And

1252
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: you know, getting we're going back and forth. And I said, okay,

1253
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: so who's a great president. One of the professors said,

1254
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 2: Lynna Johnson without Vietnam. She was joking. He said, yeah,

1255
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,479
Speaker 2: either none of them are great, or or Obama's among

1256
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 2: the great ones. There's only that's and I'm fine with either. Reconciliation.

1257
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 2: But then, don't don't be mad at me for my

1258
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 2: pragmatism of the president's he's one of the greatest, but

1259
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean he can't be critique. Right, regarding the

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01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 2: notion that I've been divorced from collective struggle, here I

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01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: am on Colin Kaepernick and the black protest tradition. I

1262
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 2: read this piece, this year this year, ain't those back

1263
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 2: and talks? Historically, how civil rights protests have never been popular,

1264
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 2: so stop waiting for white people to be like, you know,

1265
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 2: if we can just find a way to protest.

1266
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 3: There's no right way, right, there's no right way to

1267
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 3: The motherfuckers had a goddamn tea party, spilling tea in

1268
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 3: the water and shit like that.

1269
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: America was taken by violence. We actually was like fuck.

1270
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 3: You, Britch England and came over here and fought them motherfuckers.

1271
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 2: So our whole foundation is on war.

1272
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 3: But yet when the white people suppressed the black people

1273
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 3: and the black people use the same tactics that you

1274
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 3: used to set yourself free, it becomes.

1275
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 2: A problem, right, It's it's but it's just interesting, right

1276
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 2: because these are things that were blatant lies we just read,

1277
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 2: and like I said, I don't even the dude who

1278
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 2: was kind of going back and forth with me about it,

1279
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: you know, like, I don't want to term it as

1280
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: an argument, though I did feel that some of the

1281
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 2: things socials he made was in bad faith. But you

1282
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 2: don't get to just let this dude lie and then say,

1283
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 2: but some of it was true. No, I'm reading it.

1284
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 2: It's not true, Like these critiques have been addressed. You

1285
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 2: if you just aren't aware of it, that's fine, But

1286
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 2: don't did turn around and tell me like I'm protecting

1287
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 2: this dude or I'm just such a fan of this dude.

1288
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: I have been like, I don't like this thing. Coach

1289
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 2: said on here. I still remember Rachel dolars Ow shit.

1290
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 2: He wrote, like this shit was trash, it was fucked up.

1291
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 2: It was, Hey, why y'all so worried about Rachel dolars Out.

1292
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 2: This dude got killed by the police, Like I can't

1293
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 2: worry about two things at the same time. It's so

1294
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 2: the fucking you come on now, you know. So it

1295
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 2: was like it wasn't so, you know, like it was

1296
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 2: like he's not so above reproaching my opinion. But if

1297
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 2: you're gonna come, come correct, that's it. Don't you can't

1298
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: you can come for anybody, just come correct. But yeah,

1299
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: I remember this piece where he basically said civil rights

1300
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 2: activists are not fighting to convince the generation they're in.

1301
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 2: They're fighting to convince the next generation because the generation

1302
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: they're in never listens ever, you know, like they didn't

1303
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 2: like Martin Luther King either, Why would they like Happernick.

1304
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 3: Right, because the thing about us is for like you said,

1305
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 3: the frame of the next generation, because everybody gets sad

1306
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 3: and everybody want to sing your praises. When you're dead

1307
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 3: and owner, you can't do shit. But while I'm sitting

1308
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 3: here in your face talking about the injustice is raising

1309
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 3: my voice. Getting beaten, shot and being mistreated and being

1310
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 3: surveillanced and being watched and getting guns in my face,

1311
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 3: all that shit is taken fucking granted.

1312
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,799
Speaker 2: While I'm alive and well. Is when I'm dead and gone?

1313
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 3: Did everybody want to act like the I was just

1314
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 3: the best thing ever when in reality, a lot of

1315
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 3: my own people looked at me and it could probably

1316
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 3: consider me or Trader considered.

1317
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 2: Me wasting my time for fighting for the rights. Yeah,

1318
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 2: and I'm not even trying to reliigate the point the

1319
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Just Coach has talked about it. Cort now

1320
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 2: West told you he didn't. That's what cortnewn West told

1321
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 2: you just five minutes ago when I was reading He's

1322
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 2: just didn't, he said, never did these names. He talked

1323
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 2: about the whole the Ferguson effect that people claimed. The

1324
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: Times wrote the story saying that the Ferguson effect has

1325
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 2: has has changed America. That's why people aren't listening saying

1326
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 2: that there's an uptick in violence because of the Ferguson

1327
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 2: the effect that he says, it's not real, there's no

1328
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 2: Ferguson effect. That was also a piece on black activism,

1329
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 2: black protest. Okay, all right, he said. He talked about

1330
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 2: the criminal justice system and the destroying of the black

1331
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 2: to use to destroy black resistance, the black family, and

1332
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: the age of mass incarceration. I literally just read that

1333
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 2: yet two days ago, that chapter, and it's a beautiful piece,

1334
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 2: and it talks about privatization of prisons. It talks about

1335
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 2: the way that that white supremacy morphs, it changes, like

1336
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 2: the numbers of people in bondage and slavery. The reason

1337
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: that prisons used to not have a high population when

1338
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: the entire South was under Jim Crow and stuff. Yet

1339
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: after that they needed to put black people in prison.

1340
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 2: They didn't used to do it in the South because

1341
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 2: the whole South was a prison. Hey, where you going

1342
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 2: out the papers? Boy? You ain't from around here. Boy,

1343
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 2: you know you didn't have rights. You were basically a prisoner.

1344
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 2: Even if you walked in the street in town or

1345
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 2: a prisoner. But once those laws passed and it was

1346
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 2: like and then segregation's outlaws stuff, then it becomes we

1347
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 2: gotta lock these niggas up. We have to keep them

1348
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: under control somehow. All this stuff is worth reading. By

1349
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 2: the way, this is a great reading list if you

1350
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 2: want to see his greatest hits. But anyway, if that's

1351
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 2: too much to read, you can watch the last minute.

1352
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 2: So this video. He puts up a video there enduring

1353
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 2: myth of Black Criminality on YouTube, regarding the intersection of race, jender,

1354
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 2: and sexuality. Here I am on abortion and the importance

1355
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: of choice. He wrote a piece in Atlantic call on labor,

1356
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 2: but GLP wants to extend restrictions on the can of

1357
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 2: government force a woman to do something that is both

1358
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 2: work intensive and potentially life threatening. But you know race

1359
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 2: gender and said he don't talk about it, okay. On

1360
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 2: the relations a tip to claim abortion is like slavery

1361
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 2: abortion doctor and O'Riley target assassinated. I love that title

1362
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 2: The Atlantic a pc road for the Atlantic about you

1363
01:12:54,400 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 2: know how this dude falsely compare abortion to slavery. So yeah,

1364
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: so yeah, like I said, he has receipts on Nina

1365
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 2: Simon and the specific oppressions of black women, Nina Simone's

1366
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 2: face and the realities of blackness, the upcoming biopick and

1367
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 2: the singer proofs that the world still isn't ready to

1368
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 2: tell her story because y'all remember they had who was it?

1369
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 2: Zo is Au Donna put on the black face to

1370
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: try to do her right had no business playing that role, right,

1371
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 2: So yep, But you know he don't talk about it, right,

1372
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: He don't talk about it on race's same sex marriage,

1373
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: race and gay marriage and perspective, but he don't talk

1374
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 2: about the lgbt Q. He don't talk about it. Karen.

1375
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 2: He what like I said, I feel it's it's embarrassment

1376
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 2: for Cornell West, Like why would you make an argument

1377
01:13:56,439 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 2: so easily just proven? Like what, don't don't you even

1378
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 2: think higher of yourself? Like yo, I don't want to

1379
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 2: look like a fool anyway. Regarding black elite attitudes to

1380
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 2: the black poor. Here I am in response to the

1381
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 2: culture of py the culture of poverty thesis that he

1382
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,799
Speaker 2: wrote a piece in Atlanta called a culture of poverty?

1383
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 2: What like this is becoming a joke now, it's almost

1384
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 2: become It's like literally every line is like I did that. Yeah,

1385
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,600
Speaker 2: I did that too, Yeah, yeah, uh huh yeah, I

1386
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: already talked about it. So cool. And these are you know,

1387
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 2: these pieces aren't always long. Some of these are kind

1388
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 2: of kind of short, but you know, like I said,

1389
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 2: you can go read them yourself. I think he gives

1390
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: you a great reading list. Extending that from that on

1391
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 2: Barack Obama a culture of poverty and how he addressed

1392
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 2: black folks. Black people, y'all know that you're talking to

1393
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 2: a graduating seniors at the HBCU and telling them basically

1394
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 2: wanting them to not be whack and lazy and to

1395
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 2: take care of their kids. And even I think that

1396
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 2: was fucked up for Obama. Motherfucker. I'm getting my goddamn degree.

1397
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 2: The last I am is lazy, Like, can we celebrate

1398
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 2: my one day without giving me that speech? Like I understand? Like,

1399
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: like I said, still in line with Malcolm X, Like

1400
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 2: when that comparison is still valid because Malcolm X believed

1401
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 2: in that kind of like toughened up, man up, do

1402
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 2: better type of thing.

1403
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the one thing about that shit like that

1404
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 3: souit don't put souit don't block bullets. Dogs don't block

1405
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 3: them arresting you a chicken dogs when you it, don't

1406
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 3: it don't stop?

1407
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 2: Right if I underneath like if your if your solution

1408
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 2: for me is still I gotta be twice as good

1409
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 2: a get half as much, then it's not really a solution.

1410
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,759
Speaker 2: I already knew that you could have saved the speech

1411
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 2: Tana Coach more the same, color blind policy, color conscious

1412
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 2: morality once again on Obama. Oh right, almost forgot from

1413
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 2: between the world and me again, on race, gender, sexuality,

1414
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 2: and my own political awakening. They had a little boy

1415
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 2: who must be off to college by now. Faggot was

1416
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: a word I had employed all my life, and now

1417
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 2: here here they were the cubal, the cove and the others,

1418
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 2: the monster, the outside of, the fags, the dykes, dressed

1419
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 2: in all that human claud clothes. I am black and

1420
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 2: have been plundered and have lost my body. But perhaps

1421
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 2: too I had the capacity for plunder. Maybe I would

1422
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 2: take another human's body to confirm myself in a community.

1423
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 2: Perhaps I already had. Hate gives identity. The nigger, the fag,

1424
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 2: the bitch, illuminate the border, illuminate that what we are

1425
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 2: ostensibly are not illuminate the dream of being white, of

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01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 2: being a man. We name the hate strangers and are

1427
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 2: thus confirmed in the tribe. But my tribe was shattering

1428
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 2: and reforming. The point he's making, he's a poet, the point.

1429
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 2: But the point he's making right there is like I,

1430
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 2: as a black man, had bought into and was part

1431
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 2: of the destructive majority to other people that were black,

1432
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 2: having known what it's like to be plundered, having known

1433
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 2: what it's like to be an ostracized, and all this shit. Here,

1434
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 2: I am doing it to my own people. And it

1435
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 2: wasn't until he got to college and he had to

1436
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: actually meet some of the people he was talking about

1437
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 2: that he had to be like, oh, I'm part of

1438
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 2: this too, like you know. And back to where we

1439
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 2: are on the notion that middle class values will set

1440
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 2: black people free. We were eight years and powers where

1441
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 2: this was from the basic assumption in this country one

1442
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 2: black people are not immune to, which holds that if

1443
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 2: blacks comport themselves in a way that the courts were

1444
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 2: middle class values, if they're polite, educated in virtuals, then

1445
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 2: all the fruits of America will be open to them.

1446
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 2: In its most vulgar form, this theory of personalized good

1447
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 2: Negro government denies the assistance of racism and white supremacy

1448
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:34,759
Speaker 2: as meaningful forces in American life. Keep in mind Cornell

1449
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 2: West quoted him using good Negro government as if to

1450
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 2: praise Obama. He's here going this good Negro government shit

1451
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 2: is bad. The idea of us having to look so

1452
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 2: respectable and so perfect. It belies the fact that this

1453
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 2: is a trap of a country.

1454
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 3: Yes it is, because the thing is, when it comes

1455
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 3: to white supremacy, ain't no good niggas, ain't no bad niggas,

1456
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 3: ain't no political correct niggas.

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01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 2: You all are niggers, right, And there's more nuance and

1458
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 2: reputable form. The reputable form. Sorry, the theory pitches itself

1459
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 2: as an equal compliment to anti racism. But the argument

1460
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 2: made in much of the book is that good nego government,

1461
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 2: personal or political, often augments the very white supremacy it

1462
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 2: seeks to combat. That is what happened to Thomas Miller

1463
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 2: and his colleagues in eighteen ninety five. It is what

1464
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 2: happened to black people all through South Carolina during Redemption.

1465
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 2: It is what happened to black people on the South

1466
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 2: side of Chicago during the post war implementation of the

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01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 2: New Deal it is what I contend is right now

1468
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,799
Speaker 2: happening to the legacy of the country's first black president.

1469
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 2: He also says, finally, the intersection between the struggle against racism, poverty, war, sexism,

1470
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 2: and plunder at large. The first white president of American

1471
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 2: history is also its most dangerous president, made more dangerous

1472
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 2: still by the fact that those charged with analyzing him

1473
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,520
Speaker 2: cannot name his essential nature because they are two implicated

1474
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 2: in it, but not damn by it. There is nothing

1475
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 2: done in the service of whiteness that places it beyond

1476
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 2: the boundaries of human being, behavior, and history. Indeed, what

1477
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 2: makes the epoch of I think I'm pronouncing that right

1478
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 2: of Indian killing, the African slavery, of war capitalism, as

1479
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 2: ben Record dubs it, so frightening, is how easily its

1480
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 2: basic actions cohere with all we know of human greed

1481
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 2: and the temptations of power. There is something terrible in

1482
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 2: being able to imagine ones self as a plunderer or

1483
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 2: something discomfitting, and knowing that more high ground is neither

1484
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 2: biological nor divine. This understanding does not require flight of fancy.

1485
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 2: Americans to belong to a class one't responsible for and

1486
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 2: intrinsically tied to a history of torture bombings and Kuda

1487
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 2: tot carried out in our name, and Trump has only

1488
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 2: heat more upon that burden. In the global context, perhaps

1489
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,520
Speaker 2: we Americans are all white.

1490
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 3: You know what, when other people look at this country,

1491
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 3: that's what they see.

1492
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't think people realize that. That's why.

1493
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 3: When other people talk about America from other places, they

1494
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 3: always talk about it from the leans.

1495
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 2: Of whiteness, even though it's brown people here. But like

1496
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 2: I said, we have our own ignorances and shit as

1497
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 2: ignorant Americans, and we're black, we have privileges being born

1498
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 2: in this country. Correct. You know, I don't know shit

1499
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 2: about Palestine. I've never really felt challenged to, like I

1500
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 2: gotta find out because, you know, in my mind, I'm like,

1501
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 2: it don't really affect me. Meanwhile, until I started reading

1502
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,799
Speaker 2: other books about them, like oh, so we share a kinshit,

1503
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 2: we share they they're in the same fences with the

1504
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 2: same guns pointed at them, with the same fucking privatized

1505
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 2: military people surveilling them and locking them up. Like the

1506
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 2: same people own the prisons here that own the prisons there.

1507
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's shit like that that you learned it.

1508
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,879
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I see it now, but my default

1509
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 2: is in America. I don't know that and would never

1510
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 2: have been curious on it. Like I just naturally kind

1511
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 2: of lucked up into it because I'm curious about my history,

1512
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 2: and then it ends up intersecting with all these other

1513
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 2: people's history. That's it, you know, and everybody's not like

1514
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: that anyway. He said, So look, if that all adds

1515
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 2: up to me liberalism to you, than God blessed. But

1516
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 2: I would have you know that what precisely that all is.

1517
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 2: I can't write on everything. I try my damness to

1518
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 2: be as ground as I possibly can, and when I

1519
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 2: throw a punch, I try to have my feet set

1520
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 2: and the swing with intention come out. If you see

1521
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: something missing in my work, some deep moral problem that

1522
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 2: I'm not writing on, it may not be that I

1523
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 2: don't think it's a problem. It might be that I

1524
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 2: don't know enough about it and probably shouldn't be speaking

1525
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 2: on it. Everything you say at a bar or to

1526
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 2: your wife over coffee in the morning don't amount to

1527
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 2: an informed opinion. I try hard to remember that. When

1528
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 2: I don't, I get into trouble. What want to wish

1529
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 2: the great at Cornell West a happy twentieth on the

1530
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 2: publication of Race Matters. Rare that anyone gets to write

1531
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,759
Speaker 2: such a monumental book and then be around to celebrate

1532
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 2: this impact. Happy Sunday y'all, Happy Sunday y'all took me out,

1533
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 2: But yes, I receipts Now. I feel like Coass Khan

1534
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 2: and his critique in his rebuttal No pejoriti Is didn't

1535
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 2: talk about how you know Cornell West has really been

1536
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 2: critical of other people, not himself. Didn't tell him jealous

1537
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 2: of petty. Didn't you know, talk about his rap album,

1538
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 2: that fact it's sloppy, The accusations of laziness from Michael

1539
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 2: Eric Dyson, the receipts that were brought. He didn't bring

1540
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 2: up any of that. Like I, if it was me,

1541
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:23,719
Speaker 2: I would have just said, Cornell, can you just please

1542
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 2: provide let me slide the way you let your house

1543
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 2: nigga friend Bill mar slide, and just pretend this didn't

1544
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 2: happen and we'll be cool. I would have just said

1545
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 2: some petty shit like that, and everybody would be like,

1546
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 2: see this was wrong with black men. We can't get along.

1547
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 2: You're always fighting, you know, been vocabulations and shit right,

1548
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 2: I would have said some shit like that and it

1549
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 2: made it worse. Yeah, you've been all on some of

1550
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 2: the on some of jamn screen right because my feelings

1551
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 2: was hurt, you know. So I would say somebody's album

1552
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 2: being whack of something, you know, some stupid.

1553
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 3: Shit that that is below and this is why you're

1554
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 3: not in that realm.

1555
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: Right, fix your gap to some stupid shit that's gonna

1556
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 2: make people mad, like just some stupid.

1557
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would lose the crowd the emotion on stupid.

1558
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 3: They would turn on you, sir.

1559
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 2: I feel like Coach read that at ten am or

1560
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 2: whenever that shit was at least and started working. It's like,

1561
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 2: oh cool, let me just look up the quotes, and

1562
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 2: I was. I had DJ seats on that. Jolanni Cobb, though,

1563
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 2: also had time oh shit with Ohn shit now. Jolanni

1564
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 2: Cobb is a colleague. He's a resident a Harlem Resident,

1565
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 2: staff writer of The New Yorker, professor at Columbia Journalism,

1566
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 2: and uh Coach friends, I'll start by saying, I'm not

1567
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 2: a disinterested party at Tanahasee Coast is one of my

1568
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 2: oldest friends. We go all the way back to the

1569
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 2: days when we were both as spying writers at Howard

1570
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 2: and his pots was a mentor figure to the young

1571
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: activists and thinkers on campus, and also given what I

1572
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,959
Speaker 2: do for a living in the necessity of intellectual engagement.

1573
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 2: I should say upfront that no one is a buck

1574
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,799
Speaker 2: er tea. It's an indispensable part of growth. But I

1575
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: was quite frankly embarrassed by at Cornell West threadbare commentary.

1576
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 2: It was threadbare if I can thread bear bred Baar.

1577
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,799
Speaker 2: If I can see it, I know these smart niggas

1578
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 2: can see it. Come on three. It's one thing to

1579
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 2: challenge and in terroorgate, quite another to cloak petted rivalry

1580
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:21,520
Speaker 2: as disinterested analysis neoliberal? What part of neoliberalism demands reparations?

1581
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 2: At Cornell West right coach didn't even link to his

1582
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 2: case for reparations like he made the case for reparations,

1583
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,600
Speaker 2: broke it down like this is why it must be

1584
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 2: reparations in America if there's any level of justice. What's

1585
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 2: neilliberal about that the government need to give black people

1586
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 2: they fucking coins? What's neil liberal about that? I don't

1587
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: understand anyway? And places that demands squarely within the history

1588
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 2: of racist American public policy, if you're obsequious standing up.

1589
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 3: See, I got to drink for that shout after regard

1590
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 3: from we's to T.

1591
01:24:58,040 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: I know he know what the fuck that means, because

1592
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 2: I showed him. He called this nigga obsequious, Karen, I

1593
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 2: got to google that. I don't know what it is,

1594
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 2: but it must be. It must be bad whatever it is.

1595
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 3: Trying to tell you, that's the cape their word. I

1596
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 3: missed him to ask me to spell it like.

1597
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 2: When you when niggas come for the obsequence on your ass.

1598
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 3: Bro that absequious You ain't being up with those sequius

1599
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 3: over there.

1600
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 2: It means obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree.

1601
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 2: Mm you obsequious ass, niggle. Come on, I'm gonna use that.

1602
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use that about wrong, but I'm gonna use

1603
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 2: it like nigga. You gotta stop being all over sequenced

1604
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:45,879
Speaker 2: up in this motherfuckercket. But yet, in your obsequious standing

1605
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 2: for Bernie, you must have overlooked the part where he

1606
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 2: dismissed the idea of black reparations. More Over, those demands

1607
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 2: were kept alive in the black nationalist grassroots tradition, not

1608
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:02,440
Speaker 2: the interracial left. You so idolized. Your disregard for capitalism

1609
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 2: was curiously absent. When your boy Tavis rest in peace,

1610
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 2: Oh out out out not r I p rest in peace.

1611
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 3: Oh y'all forgot that was on the two Angry Niggas

1612
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 3: Mad Bust tour with.

1613
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:26,799
Speaker 2: Y'all don't care about poor people. By the way, Tavis

1614
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 2: apparently was helping Wales Fargo hustle ghetto loans, or when

1615
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 2: he was tied to Walmart in actual force for wage

1616
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 2: stagnation and poor communities. Oh my, I guess Cornell didn't

1617
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 2: have a problem with that, but he cared about the

1618
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 2: poor people from his from his man. But even more

1619
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 2: curious than me is your selective this day? I like

1620
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 2: how you didn't even bring up the movie Roles. I

1621
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 2: don't know how y'all not doing the movie rolls in

1622
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 2: the album. That would be my number one go to. Like,

1623
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 2: First of all, you're ruins the matrix, nigga, you're of

1624
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 2: secret some mother fuck up.

1625
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 3: If a cavilary word, shout out to the people that's

1626
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 3: gonna use that next time they play scrabble, Get everybody

1627
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 3: come here.

1628
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 2: What the fuck is this? But even more curious than

1629
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,839
Speaker 2: me is your selected this day, you speak about Malcolm's

1630
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: legacy and the blood he shed on behalf of black people.

1631
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:21,600
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, I star my list over. Yet at the

1632
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 2: Millionaire March, you embraced Para Con, the dude who helped

1633
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 2: kill Malcolm. Are you trying to say he doesn't bamboozed us,

1634
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 2: run him up, led us astray? Is that what you

1635
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 2: try to say? Jelani Jelani says twenty one years ago,

1636
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 2: when the white leftists at the Nation went after you

1637
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 2: for attend and the Millionaire in March, you defended it

1638
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 2: on principle you engage with people despite that our areas

1639
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 2: of intellectual disagreement. I remember admiring how adroitly I don't

1640
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 2: even know what that means.

1641
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 3: Another vcabinat word, got drink, gotta drink to the He's

1642
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 3: smart man, calculations like.

1643
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 2: This wild, like this beef. I'm learning at the same

1644
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,839
Speaker 2: time that I'm I'm reading the subtext. Clever and skillful

1645
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 2: way is what adroitly means. You adroitly, how adroitly you

1646
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 2: shut down your critics. But it wasn't true. You had

1647
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 2: Tannahazi's number, you know his pops well, you could have

1648
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 2: debated with him. About whatever issues the issues were, but

1649
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 2: you didn't because this isn't really about intellectual differences. This

1650
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 2: points to a broader concern I might as well air.

1651
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 2: One of the more fascinating things I've observed is Tanazi

1652
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 2: Coach has become more prominent in the unifying contempt of

1653
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 2: a striking array of black intellectuals. Hey. Look, I'm on

1654
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 2: the outside looking in, and I've noticed that motherfuckers really

1655
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: want to monopoly on what black people are allowed to talk, right,

1656
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 2: and who's allowed to have an opinion and don't have

1657
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 2: to have a rite of entry through you saying too right,

1658
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 2: Like I'll notice people disguise it as you need to

1659
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 2: be responsible with your platform. No, nigga, we disagree. My

1660
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,839
Speaker 2: responsible is I disagree with you. I am putting another

1661
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 2: choice forward. Well, you shouldn't be in to say that, No, nigga,

1662
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: you should be able to say what you're saying, and

1663
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 2: I should say what I'm saying. And we both black,

1664
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: and we just disagree. Right now. You don't gotta right,

1665
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 2: you don't gotta call me your name, you don'tta call

1666
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 2: me neoliberal, whatever the fuck. Literally, I just disagree with you.

1667
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 2: That's it.

1668
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 3: Uh.

1669
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 2: Anyway, I found it striking that people is intellectually the

1670
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 2: versus John mcwater on McCarter, I think it's house nowse

1671
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 2: and Glenn Lowry are mad at the same dude as

1672
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 2: Cornell West and Adolph Reed. I can't tell you how

1673
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 2: many times black academics, black academics have tried to turn

1674
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:38,839
Speaker 2: me against my friend on below ten. One who sniffed

1675
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 2: indignantly to me said, he hasn't written anything that's not

1676
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 2: on my syllables. Then you should have sent your syl

1677
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 2: you should have sent your syllabus to the Atlantic. But

1678
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 2: undern but underline all. This is another dynamic plain classical elitism.

1679
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:01,560
Speaker 2: What MacArthur Good, that Macauthur God. The MacArthur grant was

1680
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 2: the one. It's a genius grant. He got some amount

1681
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 2: of money to basically just they give you money. They

1682
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 2: go go work on whatever you want, Like your work

1683
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: is important, we value it. We want to give you

1684
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 2: this money so you can go You're able to do

1685
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 2: like all those studies, like if you well, you can

1686
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 2: write book, you can do anything, you can do any

1687
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 2: whatever area of life you want to concentrate on. They

1688
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 2: basically like we wanna take care of your bills, your

1689
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:28,480
Speaker 2: your financial needs for you to go being an artist. Wow.

1690
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 2: Just basically, here's the money. Just go be great and

1691
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 2: change the world. Right, go write black panther, do whatever

1692
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 2: you want. That's wonderful. So he got that, But think

1693
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:40,799
Speaker 2: but one person gets that? Right? Who works at maconthur

1694
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 2: that who decides who gets to get that? Probably some

1695
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 2: white folks. So little jealousy possible, A little bit of

1696
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 2: why this nigga? Why not mean? Why not so and so? Right?

1697
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 2: You know, you know how it is as if anyone

1698
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 2: would have turned it downsion. Matter of fact, let's go

1699
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 2: to a new session real quick to talk about this shit. Okay, Karen,

1700
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 2: I hope we weren't out long on it just changed, okay, cool,

1701
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 2: I couldn't see the time. By the way, this is

1702
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 2: so good because I didn't realize it. But the show

1703
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 2: art today is funk flex listening to black thoughts freestyle. Yes,

1704
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 2: that face, and honestly, I don't know if there could

1705
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 2: be a more appropriate look reaction to me reading the

1706
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 2: Blackcademic Beef. I felt like funk flex listening to black

1707
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 2: thought freestyle. When I was reading these niggas call each

1708
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 2: other secretus and shit, yes, like get his ass Julani.

1709
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 2: I was like, beet clear, yes, you come in here

1710
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 2: in one take. It's going off that MacArthur. Good God,

1711
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 2: I didn't. I don't know how many people were whispering

1712
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 2: about how he didn't really deserve it, et cetera. Again,

1713
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 2: there are valid critiques to be made of anyone's work.

1714
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 2: That's not what a lot of this is about. Though.

1715
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 2: Straight up, many people hate the fact that the person

1716
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 2: being held is possibly the sharpest black intellectual writing about

1717
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 2: race is an HBCU dropout that bothers. They prefer their

1718
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 2: self made intellectuals to be of the deceased variety Baldwin Cruise,

1719
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 2: Malcolm Frankly, I prefer not to say any of this

1720
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 2: at tan Hosie Coast is a grown man. He can

1721
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 2: fight his own battles. But it's a little tiresome to

1722
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 2: see and hear the hypocritical bullshit of academics who will

1723
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 2: prefer the community not be defended if doing so means

1724
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 2: accolades for someone else. Come on, Honestly, I feel like

1725
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 2: it's best to keep Malcolm's name out of your mouth.

1726
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 2: If you're running around with the dudes who killed him.

1727
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 2: Just talk about Paul Robson instead or something something. Black

1728
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 2: Lives Matter had to disrupt Bernie twice to even get

1729
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 2: him to talk about race. Let's not talk about the

1730
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 2: skate sketchy race dynamics decide the campaign that black folk

1731
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,600
Speaker 2: were telling me about. Ain't heard a word from you

1732
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 2: about that neither. Come on, I'm just saying, it's very

1733
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 2: difficult for me to watch you be super critical of

1734
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 2: other people and in your man is Bernie, It's very

1735
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 2: difficult to watch you be on the stage with dear

1736
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 2: brother Bernie and shake his motherfucking hand. And when he

1737
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 2: signed the fucking crime bill too, What are we talking about?

1738
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 2: What are we talking about? Dog? I'm not a fucking fool,

1739
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 2: and none of us are like this is ridiculous. Sorry,

1740
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how to thread it anyway. That's enough

1741
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 2: of this. When then he wrote Betty your bass folk.

1742
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 2: Fary Con had also just declined, oh, because someone said

1743
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 2: I was at the million man March and the spirit

1744
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 2: of the event was to transcend all of that. Not

1745
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 2: everyone went there to see Minister fary Con. It was

1746
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 2: more important than just one individual, So I'm not sure

1747
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 2: it's fair to hit him with that. Even since Betty

1748
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 2: your pass foke and he put Betty's your bass foke.

1749
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 2: Fery Con has also just declined to pursue charges against

1750
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 2: her daughter, who was implicated in a plot to kill him.

1751
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 2: Wasn't hard to see the transaction there. Uh yeah, I

1752
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 2: uh that's why I love black and beef. Right there, guys,

1753
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 2: It's that good. And that's not even counting a random

1754
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 2: blackademic and black folks they kind of got it, got

1755
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 2: some words in because it's everywhere black, like blackademic circle.

1756
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 2: It was just I know, it was lit. I know

1757
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 2: what it was is that they talked chats and ship

1758
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 2: was was was that happened? God, listen, they talked just

1759
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 2: like a bitch. What happened? Bitch? Did you? Yeah? Bitch listen. Uh.

1760
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 2: It was so many people just coming for West. The

1761
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 2: blackademic Facebook was on fleek and sad. It's like, like

1762
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 2: I said, ZIZI had it right. It's just like all

1763
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 2: your banks because every time AZELI your bank say something,

1764
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 2: there's always a collection of people to be like, she

1765
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 2: ain't wrong, like and I'm like, y'all are real funny

1766
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 2: because I know y'all have quote unquote canceled her and

1767
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 2: many other people over all kinds of shit. Yeah, every

1768
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:45,799
Speaker 2: time she talked, y'all the only people putting in my timeline.

1769
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 2: If she kids hers, she's not you know what I mean?

1770
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 2: Like like, you don't fuck with Joyanne Scammer because Joan

1771
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 2: Scammer got some old tweets is wack, right that I've heard,

1772
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 2: you know? But then you also a fuck withall your banks.

1773
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 2: But she's been super homophobic, and I don't understand the

1774
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 2: rules to this shit, Like what is like why am

1775
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 2: I supposed to give her some benefit of the doubt

1776
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 2: that I would not allow for anyone else and that

1777
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 2: you wouldn't allow command anyone else likes It's like people

1778
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 2: just can't help themselves, but you know that's what they do.

1779
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 2: And I think West in the same is in the

1780
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 2: same vein. Is that what people be like? For some reason,

1781
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 2: I like this nigga, so therefore I need you to

1782
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:30,600
Speaker 2: hear him out. And I'm like, I don't have to

1783
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 2: hear anybody out. That's my perspective. And I don't hear

1784
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 2: out people that lie and underpining shit with bullshit. But yeah,

1785
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,799
Speaker 2: a lot of people have stuff to say on Twitter.

1786
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 2: Skeptical brother says Cornell Wester, Nazi coach I retire. Broadside

1787
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 2: conveniently ignores American Carnegi helped Trump create by backing Russian

1788
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 2: duke Jill Stein. This fascist moment was brought to you

1789
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 2: by narcissisis hope. Teps that believe progressive purity will pay

1790
01:35:55,320 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 2: your medical bills. Jodie Anderson said Nail West had the

1791
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 2: whole horrible world to write about, but instead revisited another

1792
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 2: one of his grudges with another prominent black person who

1793
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 2: has surpassed him in prominence. All right, girl of Mona Gandy,

1794
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 2: I stopped paying attention to Cornell West a long time ago.

1795
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 2: Collin Obama, a Nigga ris president, writing that hit job

1796
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 2: about Melissa Harris Parry. He can go fuck himself, well

1797
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 2: him of money, m Darland Ebney. Cornell West is jealous

1798
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 2: of ton II Coach. We've seen his record play before.

1799
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 2: He did the same thing with Michael Eric Dyson. He

1800
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 2: is the perarial crab in a barrel while we are

1801
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 2: all about to suffer from the GOP tax scan. Cornell

1802
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 2: is concerned with Coach being competition. Come on, uh, Maroon's

1803
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 2: sister says, Cornell West lost me long ago. Is Barack

1804
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 2: Obama rants Tavis Maalley two for being mad about no invite.

1805
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm not even mildly interested in this new rant On

1806
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:52,600
Speaker 2: coacht missed me with it. I do agree with this

1807
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 2: tweet from Fanny's dream though, in this tweet for somebody else,

1808
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah that's five pages that he's only. They must have

1809
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:07,719
Speaker 2: got everybody. But yeah, it's you know, motherfucker's getting getting.

1810
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,719
Speaker 2: It's just easy to dismiss your argument when you write

1811
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 2: something so petty and silly. You know it is what

1812
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 2: it is, man like that ain't my fault for noticing

1813
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 2: and I and that was my whole point yesterday talking

1814
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 2: to my man, I was just like, listen, I ain't

1815
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 2: an animosity toys a dude, But if you want me

1816
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 2: to not notice this is petty, didn't You're talking to

1817
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 2: the wrong person a for me. I used to love

1818
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 2: Cornell West, but something changing him when he wasn't embraced

1819
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 2: by Obama. He hasn't been the same sense like a

1820
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 2: jilted lover. I don't. I didn't like his criticism of

1821
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 2: Tai Nazi Coast and the Guardian piece. I did A

1822
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 2: coach had some blinder leaders to Obama as false battle tested.

1823
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 2: All you need to know about Cornell West is that

1824
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 2: when Trump was fulling racist rhetoric during the campaign, West

1825
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 2: was dividing the Democratic Party with the whole Jill style

1826
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 2: bullshit to help elect Trump. Cornell West is the same

1827
01:37:57,560 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 2: guy who said Trump is just as bad as Hillary,

1828
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,799
Speaker 2: basically another Jill start Knight. He has as much purpose

1829
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 2: in the black community as Almorro, says Stacey dash jeseuz

1830
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 2: oh mind, oh jeez oh, oh, that's a lot. That's

1831
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 2: I would not go as far as that, but that

1832
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 2: is a lot. That is a lot anyway, man, y'all

1833
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:18,600
Speaker 2: can read, y'all can guess the rest. But yeah, that

1834
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 2: was the blackademic beef. Man. I'm glad we had a

1835
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 2: chance to uh that. I didn't think. It takes so long.

1836
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 3: I can stop putting and you know when it's getting

1837
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 3: vocabulations to get kind of lengthy.

1838
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 2: You know, but I love it, y'all. Now, y'all see

1839
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 2: you why this is such a black ass episode right now?

1840
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 2: Mat fact, I like, I like how black this is.

1841
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 2: Let's just end it here. This is black as fuck.

1842
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 2: This was black as fuck. I feel like white people

1843
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 2: listening to this were like, I don't know what any

1844
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:45,640
Speaker 2: of these people are. I don't know. I don't know

1845
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 2: what's happening. Who are all these negroes that they keep talking?

1846
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 2: I got to do some research. What is Howard? Is it?

1847
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,639
Speaker 2: Is it coast to Harvard? Right? The same? I don't know. Yeah,

1848
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:58,919
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna leave it there. Yeah, you guys,

1849
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 2: blackademic beef par too, neo liberom boogaloo. We'll be back

1850
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 2: with a regular show tomorrow. Vocabulations be far too. Yeah,

1851
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 2: we'll get into some This is an hour and a half.

1852
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 2: We'll get back. We'll get back tomorrow into some actual,

1853
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 2: some actual like fucking news and stuff.

1854
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 3: I know, I know for you knew white people. This

1855
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 3: is the ship that happened on black Twitter, right. The

1856
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:29,559
Speaker 3: imaginary places, y'all don't know. Magical places, y'all don't know nothing.

1857
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 2: About those poor podcast folks that I won't listen to

1858
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:33,679
Speaker 2: the show. They just like, I don't know what they're

1859
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 2: talking about. What's a ton of hoty coats? I know?

1860
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 2: Is it a smoothie? Is it a person? A place? Right?

1861
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 2: Is this a location on the mapp? How do you

1862
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 2: spell it? I don't understand, all right, guys, It's Cornell West,

1863
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 2: the west side of the Cornell University. I don't know.

1864
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 2: I need to look into this. We'll be back tomorrow. Man,

1865
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 2: thank you so much. Shout out to Trick a wine

1866
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 2: coat for the beautiful wine. Yes, this is this is.

1867
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:02,559
Speaker 2: I have to remember to order this with my cue pine. Okay,

1868
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 2: I didn't take a picture of us, so we can

1869
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 2: remember what these lines. I'll tell you what I will do, guys,

1870
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 2: before we leave. I will give you a couple of

1871
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 2: random thoughts and will do soword ratchetess. Okay, you gotta

1872
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:15,480
Speaker 2: get out of here. Hey, do you think anti military

1873
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 2: activists respect those veteran parking only signs? I feel like

1874
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 2: you shouldn't. If you, if you're real, you should park

1875
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 2: in them life if you don't respect the war efforts. Hey,

1876
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 2: you think the black people that aren't invited to the

1877
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:34,680
Speaker 2: cookout do their own event that that you know when

1878
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 2: all of us I had to cook out, they do

1879
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Speaker 2: their own like separate gathering where they eat food like

1880
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 2: white potato salad and unseasoned meats like you think Omerosa

1881
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 2: and Stacey Dash make pumpkin pies and jailp Black Chick

1882
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 2: brings the unseasoned turkey, and they all they all go

1883
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 2: to their own instead of the cookout, they go to

1884
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:00,599
Speaker 2: the coon out green beans. Mm hmmm.

1885
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Speaker 3: Uh.

1886
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:05,599
Speaker 2: Can men have armpit vaginas? Because we read that article

1887
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 2: and say women are worried about arm pit vaginas, but

1888
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 2: everybody got arm pits, they got they got arms, so

1889
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 2: can men have arm pit vaginas? Well? Well, I'm not

1890
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 2: ashamed of my arm pit vagina. I'm gonna tell you

1891
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 2: all right now, like these might be some fat arm

1892
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 2: pitp vaginas, but let me tell you something. It's some

1893
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 2: good puss it under these arm pit vaginas. I know

1894
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 2: that much. I would lift this arm up and change

1895
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 2: your world. I made some if you raising around, would

1896
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:44,560
Speaker 2: you I made some look at it? I'm going to

1897
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:48,080
Speaker 2: make you look at it. Woman. I made some ravioli

1898
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 2: lasagna yesterday in the crackpot, in the in the instapot, actually,

1899
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 2: but we would care. We went to get I went

1900
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 2: to get pasta sauce because that was what the me

1901
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 2: the rest be called for. And Karen was like, well, well,

1902
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 2: what's the difference between past sauce and marinara sauce? And

1903
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:08,680
Speaker 2: I said it was different, you know, pasta sauce a

1904
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 2: little bit different. Marinaroon normally a little bit thicker. Uh,

1905
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:14,720
Speaker 2: just depending. I was like, you know, when you order

1906
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 2: breadsticks to get Marinara sauce, you know, instead of pasta

1907
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 2: sauce normally, and uh, she was just so confused. She

1908
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:24,600
Speaker 2: didn't believe me by the way she good. I was like,

1909
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 2: what the fuck, It's both sauce and they ain't got

1910
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Speaker 2: no goddamn meat. They taste the same. Now, why would

1911
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:32,040
Speaker 2: I a lot of her guys? She she anyway, I know,

1912
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 2: I know, I know. Anyway, they taste the same. I

1913
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 2: ended up getting rounds Marinara sauce and it was a

1914
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Speaker 2: sensitive Marinara sauce. So I left my I left my

1915
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Speaker 2: ravioli lasagna in the pot. Today I went to play basketball.

1916
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 2: I came back. It was in there listening to Drake y'all.

1917
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Speaker 2: It was crying. I know you came in. It was

1918
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 2: like you still come. I was like, what the fuck

1919
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:06,879
Speaker 2: is that? And it's that sensitive, that damn sensitive marinarosauce. Man. Lastly,

1920
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:09,320
Speaker 2: you know it's messed up.

1921
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Speaker 3: Man.

1922
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Speaker 2: If you guys go on pornography website. So I don't

1923
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Speaker 2: know if you've heard of these, but if you go

1924
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Speaker 2: on there and they have like sometimes they have prefaces

1925
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 2: at the top so you can click on and you

1926
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Speaker 2: be like, I want this type, I want that type,

1927
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Speaker 2: and you can be like, I want to search, but

1928
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Speaker 2: in my search results, I want certain things in there,

1929
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Speaker 2: certain things out of there. Right. So they have this

1930
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Speaker 2: thing where it's like search the straight search for gay.

1931
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Speaker 2: Search for the time if you take out gay in

1932
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Speaker 2: your search, so the only returns what straight port, it

1933
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 2: still returns lesbian porn. Yeah, because I don't it's not

1934
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 2: an option. But but think about this, though they all

1935
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 2: saying that gay porn is just two dudes, that's it.

1936
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Speaker 3: A lot of people's definition of it is that two

1937
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 3: women is not gay, right, because because there's a lot

1938
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,719
Speaker 3: of straight dudes that like to watch two women have sex.

1939
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 3: So they go, well, we're gonna keep it there because

1940
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:09,599
Speaker 3: ours are is gonna be a larger percentage of men

1941
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 3: that actually want to see that.

1942
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 2: But they don't want to see two dudes fucking. I

1943
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 2: just think it's interested. That's fucked up, you know. But anyway, Uh,

1944
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 2: that one wasn't funny. That was just that was just

1945
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 2: some ship I knowed something like it was like, damn,

1946
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:24,639
Speaker 2: my whole life, they've just been oh you don't want

1947
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Speaker 2: to see the gay horn. That's just two dudes, right,

1948
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Speaker 2: But here's these two women sissoring for three hours like

1949
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:35,280
Speaker 2: that's gay too, right, Nope, not in this reality. All right,

1950
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Speaker 2: last thing, guys gonna do sore ratchingess and get out

1951
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Speaker 2: of here and tomorrow we'll give you actual news and

1952
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:46,599
Speaker 2: ship that happened besides black unless Dyson chime in, yeah

1953
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Speaker 2: right back at this morning. If Michael I hope in

1954
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,439
Speaker 2: med out there warming up his fingers because he do

1955
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Speaker 2: his research and you know he very vocabulations and limpit.

1956
01:44:56,280 --> 01:45:00,200
Speaker 2: Think he won't just re up that ship anyway. Action

1957
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Speaker 2: this time. Thanks. He lived by the sword, and he

1958
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:25,599
Speaker 2: died by a sword. A British Man who lived in Japan,

1959
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 2: where he worked in a samurai sword store, took his

1960
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 2: own life with his favorite weapon in the traditional act

1961
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:33,600
Speaker 2: of harry carry. Oh what happened? What did you do

1962
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 2: to disappoint somebody? He lost the he lost the war

1963
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 2: against America, and then he killed himself alone. Jones fifty

1964
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Speaker 2: one was found dead inside his mother's home. Oh he

1965
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 2: still live his mom, Ah, surprising during a visit to

1966
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:50,759
Speaker 2: his family earlier this year. Oh, he's visiting, Okay, His mother, Margaret,

1967
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:52,680
Speaker 2: said he was lying on top of his sword with

1968
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 2: his arms over his head at the committed suicide. The

1969
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 2: court heard that Jones was not his actual self during

1970
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 2: his trip back home his sister maryon Cawfield for many years.

1971
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 2: He said. For many years he had lived abroad and

1972
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 2: when he came home he would go out visiting friends,

1973
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 2: But this time he had lost weight and spent most

1974
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Speaker 2: of his time in his bedroom. He had a collection

1975
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 2: of samurai swords that had developed an interest in the

1976
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:15,000
Speaker 2: samurai tradition. A few hours before he took his life,

1977
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 2: a neighbor saw him asleep on the sofa with an

1978
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:20,600
Speaker 2: open book of family photos by side. According to an investigation,

1979
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 2: Jones died from lacerations to the heart and liver. Who

1980
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:26,559
Speaker 2: he has a collection of samurai sword which he sent

1981
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 2: which we sent to a specialist in London and had

1982
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 2: been returned days before he was found dead. Damn, I

1983
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 2: don't like I don't like samurai movies. That's a lot.

1984
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 2: You got culture appropriate, some cool shit, bro not not

1985
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Speaker 2: that maybe none or something. Yep, anyway, guys, that's it.

1986
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Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow. Thank you so much for listening

1987
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Speaker 2: to whatever this was. We appreciate y'all staying for all.

1988
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 3: The Blackdemic beef and shout out to the vocabulary words

1989
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 3: that everybody learned today.

1990
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Speaker 2: We'll see y'all two years from now. Unless I know

1991
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 2: in the next hot beef happens right when Coach puts

1992
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:05,559
Speaker 2: out another book and uh, Cornell West has to take

1993
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 2: him down a pig. I know, Cornell West wake up

1994
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 2: every day just hoping Tani Coach touch somebody inappropriately or

1995
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 2: something like, I really hope this nigga grabbed a woman's ass,

1996
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 2: Please Lord, just every day I pray, just get me too, Okay,

1997
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Speaker 2: get him out of here. Oh Lord, I need somebody

1998
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 2: to meet to this nigga so fast, all right, y'all. Well,

1999
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Speaker 2: talked to y'all later till that. I love you. Why