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Speaker 1: these shows. We're continuing our player rankings of the last

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Speaker 1: twenty five years today with twenty one, twenty nineteen and eighteen,

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Speaker 1: taking a look back at some guys that have been

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Speaker 1: out of the league for a little while. You guys

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Speaker 1: Last but not least, before we get started. Last night,

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Speaker 1: I got to run up to Phoenix to watch an

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Speaker 1: true story. Super super interesting story about this contest that

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Speaker 1: And I thought it was really cool in the beginning

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Speaker 1: rated PG thirteen. All right, let's talk some basketball. So

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Speaker 1: before we get into twenty one, twenty nineteen and eighteen,

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Speaker 1: a couple of things that I noticed in the comments.

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Speaker 1: As is always the case when I do lists, I

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean he wasn't one of the most impactful

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Speaker 1: So you could be the biggest Zach Brian fan in

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Speaker 1: like as basketball players, their career defining achievement, basically whatever

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Speaker 1: But he's one of those guys that, like, because of

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Speaker 1: his statistical production, he's never gonna be viewed on the

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Speaker 1: same level as some of his peers. But like, if

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Speaker 1: you were there, you were terrified of Tony Parker when

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Speaker 1: he had the ball and there was a big moment

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Speaker 1: where he had an opportunity to beat you. I remember,

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Speaker 1: even after the Ray Allen three, Lebron James guarded Tony

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Speaker 1: Parker full court, and I still remember as a fan,

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Speaker 1: and you guys, I'm a big Lebron fan. I'm watching

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Speaker 1: that like just scared the hell that that Tony Parker's

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Speaker 1: gonna dribble down and score. He ends up throwing up

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Speaker 1: some crazy shot along the baseline and misses it. But

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Speaker 1: like Tony Parker was a terrifying player to root against.

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Speaker 1: He was one of those guys that in any playoff

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Speaker 1: setting could outplay any of the best stars in the league.

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Speaker 1: And then if you were there, you'd probably remember Tony

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Speaker 1: Parker in a similar fashion. And he's probably a good

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Speaker 1: example of that thing I'm talking about with Chris Paul, right,

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Speaker 1: because like most gms would probably take Chris Paul over

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Speaker 1: those years, right, But like you know, I'm a big

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Speaker 1: believer in actual playoff results, and just Tony Arker was

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Speaker 1: just there on the biggest stage, just doing it time

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Speaker 1: and time again, and it's a big part of why

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Speaker 1: he's a four time NBA champion. All Right, number twenty

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Speaker 1: Paul Pierce, he was the second best player on one

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Speaker 1: championship team, never made a first team All NBA, three

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Speaker 1: All NBA teams though, and he won the NBA Finals

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Speaker 1: MVP in two thousand and eight. This is another kind

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Speaker 1: of guy that kind of fits that mold, right, Like

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Speaker 1: you look at Paul George and he's got all of

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Speaker 1: the All NBA selections more than Paul Pierce does, right,

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Speaker 1: And he's you know that the highs or the regular

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Speaker 1: season highs with Paul George or so high. Right, But

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Speaker 1: like anybody who was in the league during Paul Pierce's

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Speaker 1: era thought more highly of Paul Pierce than this era

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Speaker 1: thinks of Paul George in terms of how what he's

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Speaker 1: capable of relative to his peers. So it's another good

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Speaker 1: example of this particular dynamic. His prime stats I put

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Speaker 1: his prime down from two thousand and one to twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: In that stretch, in the regular season, he averaged twenty

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Speaker 1: two six to four on fifty seven percent through shooting,

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Speaker 1: and in the playoffs he average twenty one six and

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Speaker 1: four on fifty five percent tru shooting. His claim to fame.

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Speaker 1: It's funny I saw this the yesterday or two days

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Speaker 1: ago on Twitter, someone like took a video of Paul

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Speaker 1: Pierce shooting some random game and someone goes like, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, Twitter would have you thinking Paul Pierce was

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Speaker 1: just another Jimmy Butler or another Paul George. Now, to

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Speaker 1: be clear, as you guys know, I obviously have Paul

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Speaker 1: Pierce over both, right, because Jimmy Butler is further back

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Speaker 1: on this list and Paul George is one of the

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Speaker 1: guys who was like in the running but didn't actually

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Speaker 1: make it right. So I agree in principle in the

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Speaker 1: sense that I view Paul Pierce above those guys. But

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Speaker 1: I think Jimmy Butler is the perfect cop for Paul Pierce.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he's the Jimmy Butler of this era.

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Speaker 1: I'd say Jimmy Butler is the Paul Pierce of his era, right,

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Speaker 1: because Paul Pierce came first, and I think Paul Pierce

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Speaker 1: is the better player. But he's another one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a super weird archetype and was never

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Speaker 1: truly considered to be on the same level as the

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Speaker 1: guys at the buried top of the league. But in

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Speaker 1: any one game setting against those guys, he was capable

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Speaker 1: of out playing them. To me, that is like the

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Speaker 1: spitting image of that Jimmy Butler type of archetype. And

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Speaker 1: I think when I saw that tweet, all I thought

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Speaker 1: was like, Oh, people are massively underrating Jimmy Butler. I've

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Speaker 1: said this before on the show, but Jimmy Butler has

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Speaker 1: scored forty points in a playoff game eight times. He's

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Speaker 1: scored thirty points in a playoff game like twenty something

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Speaker 1: times and more times than Paul Pierce. I think Paul

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Speaker 1: Pierce only has three forty point playoff games. Now, different era,

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Speaker 1: higher usage, higher pace, all those different things. But the

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Speaker 1: point is is, like, it's not an insult to Paul

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Speaker 1: Pierce to put him in the same conversation as Jimmy Butler.

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Speaker 1: You guys know how highly I think of Jimmy Butler.

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Speaker 1: I just think Paul Pierce kind of fits a similar

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Speaker 1: mold in his particular era. And while I've alway talked

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Speaker 1: about Jimmy Butler is kind of like a miniature version

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Speaker 1: of Lebron James, to me, Paul Pierce was kind of

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Speaker 1: like a chubbier, less athletic version of Kobe Bryant. There

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Speaker 1: were a lot of similarities in his footwork and his

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Speaker 1: shot form and the types of shots that he used

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Speaker 1: to take. Like he kind of attacked in a very

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Speaker 1: similar style, which is a big part of what made

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Speaker 1: him so dynamic in playoff situations. He spent the first

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Speaker 1: half of his career playing on some limited Celtics teams

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Speaker 1: and put up a lot of big numbers, had some

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Speaker 1: big playoff series, but never really had the talent necessary

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Speaker 1: to compete, and then KG and Ray Allen came and

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Speaker 1: he finally had an opportunity to demonstrate it on the

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Speaker 1: biggest stage, and he immediately did. So I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: go ahead, and I'm going to come back to his archetype.

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Speaker 1: I want to skip ahead to his claim to fame

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Speaker 1: and his just kind of talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: what he accomplished with the Celtics, and then we'll go

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Speaker 1: back and talk about what kind of basketball player he was.

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Speaker 1: So in the two thousand and eight playoff run, Paul

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Speaker 1: Pierce average twenty five and five on fifty seven percent

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Speaker 1: true shooting. He outplayed a young Lebron James in Game

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Speaker 1: seven and a Game seven where Lebron scored forty five points.

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Speaker 1: In that particular game, Paul Pierce scored forty one points

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Speaker 1: on twenty three shots and beat Lebron to a key

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Speaker 1: loose ball at the end of the game. Just I

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Speaker 1: thought kind of out played him in that particular game.

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Speaker 1: And then in the NBA Finals in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: I thought he flat out out played Kobe Bryant. Kobe

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Speaker 1: averaged twenty five points, but he was super inefficient in

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Speaker 1: that particular series, Paul Pierce averaged twenty two to five

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Speaker 1: and six on fifty nine percent true shooting in beating

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Speaker 1: the Lakers and winning the two thousand and eight NBA

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Speaker 1: Finals MVP kind of similar to like we were talking

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Speaker 1: about with Tony Parker. I thought Kevin Garnett was the

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Speaker 1: best player on that particular team, but it was close,

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Speaker 1: and Paul Pierce absolutely played like a superstar on the

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Speaker 1: biggest stage and made a lot of the big plays

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Speaker 1: in route to them winning a championship. He kind of

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Speaker 1: like took on that role as the closer, kind of

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Speaker 1: similarly to Tony Parker with the Spurs. His archetype, like

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Speaker 1: I said before, it's like it's kind of is just

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Speaker 1: like a chubbier, like shifty, like less athletic version of

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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. Right. He was only about six seven, but

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Speaker 1: he had ridiculously long arms. He had a seven foot

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Speaker 1: three wingspan. He was kind of strangely coordinated and weirdly agile.

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Speaker 1: Still had a lot of poster dunks over the top

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Speaker 1: of people, even though he wasn't a great athlete, just

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Speaker 1: because his arms were so damn long and he was

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Speaker 1: just one of the best rise in fire guys in

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Speaker 1: the league. Now, to me, rise and fire is like,

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Speaker 1: get to your spot, even if you don't have a

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Speaker 1: ton of separation, just elevate over the top of everyone

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Speaker 1: and knock down a jump shot. That, to me is

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Speaker 1: what reminds me the most of Kobe. Like, if you

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Speaker 1: just go pull up a bunch of footage of Paul

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Speaker 1: Pierce scoring on YouTube, you're gonna notice a lot of

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Speaker 1: similarities and the footwork and the pivots and the pump

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Speaker 1: fakes and the like. Even the long drawn out release

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Speaker 1: on his jump shot where he's kind of like elevating

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Speaker 1: as high as he can and like holding onto the

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Speaker 1: ball a little bit longer. That a lot of that

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Speaker 1: stuff just kind of reminds me of Kobe. Obviously, Kobe

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Speaker 1: is a much better player, but like a lot of

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Speaker 1: there were some similarities there, and I think that led

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Speaker 1: to some of his high level impact in that specific

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Speaker 1: playoff environment. He was consistently viewed as one of the

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Speaker 1: fifteen best players in the league during his era and

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Speaker 1: one of the ten best playoff players in the league

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Speaker 1: during his era. Is also one of the best foul

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Speaker 1: drifters in the league, utilize the pump fake extremely well

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Speaker 1: to get to the line. Here's a crazy stat for you.

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Speaker 1: Paul Pierce made susan nine and eighteen free throws in

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Speaker 1: his career. That is tenth in NBA history, regardless of era,

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Speaker 1: not just last twenty five years, but regardless of era.

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Speaker 1: He was just one of those guys you know. And

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Speaker 1: again it's a similar kind of thing like those of

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Speaker 1: you guys who are in your thirties or older are

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Speaker 1: gonna remember that. Like when you had to root against

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Speaker 1: Paul Pearson a playoff series, he was terrifying. It was

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Speaker 1: just one of those guys, kind of like Jimmy Butler

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Speaker 1: that you just knew that, even if you had the

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Speaker 1: best player in the series, that he was capable of

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Speaker 1: going toe to toe with your guy in beating you.

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Speaker 1: And he did on several occasions over the course of

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Speaker 1: his career. Biggest what if of Paul Pierce's career, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, what if KG did not get hurt at

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Speaker 1: the start of the two thousand and nine season. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't remember this, but the Celtics started

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Speaker 1: the year after they won the title. They started twenty

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Speaker 1: seven and two. Now, to give you some perspective, the

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen Warriors are the best regular season team of

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Speaker 1: all time, and they started twenty eight and one, so

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Speaker 1: they were one game behind the Golden State Warriors to

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Speaker 1: start that particular season. Before Kevin Guard goes down with

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Speaker 1: the injury. You end up missing the playoffs and then

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Speaker 1: they end up losing to Orlando in the Conference semis.

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Speaker 1: But again, that was the best Celtics team. That was

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Speaker 1: better than the two thousand and seven team. And you know, obviously,

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Speaker 1: if Paul Pierce becomes a guy with two NBA championships

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Speaker 1: and two Finals MVPs, it gets a lot more complicated

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Speaker 1: in terms of him in all time conversations, especially if

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Speaker 1: you like, we look back at that era as like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Laker Celtics era and Kobe got two,

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Speaker 1: Paul Pierce got one. What if it was Paul Pierce

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Speaker 1: got two and Kobe got one. You could see how

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Speaker 1: that would kind of make things a little bit more complicated.

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Speaker 1: Number nineteen Chauncey Billups, mister big shot, best player on

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Speaker 1: one championship team, never made a first team All NBA,

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Speaker 1: but he did make three All NBA teams. He had

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Speaker 1: two All Defense teams as well. He also won the

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals MVP in two thousand and four. I thought

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Speaker 1: he was the best player on the Pistons in that

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Speaker 1: particular era. It's obviously, obviously it's convoluted because it's similar

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Speaker 1: to the Spurs situation with Tony Parker, where like nobody

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Speaker 1: on the team averaged over twenty points in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and five, was more equal opportunity. They had a lot

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Speaker 1: of really good players on the team. So like, obviously

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Speaker 1: it's not the same type of statistical production that you

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Speaker 1: see from some of his peers. But he was the

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Speaker 1: best player on a team the hoisted the trophy, and

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Speaker 1: that has to be worth a ton, as you guys know.

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Speaker 1: In my particular list, so I put down on his

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Speaker 1: prime two thousand and three to twenty ten, seventeen points,

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Speaker 1: three rebounds and six assists on fifty nine percent true shooting,

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Speaker 1: and then in the playoffs eighteen points, three rebounds and

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Speaker 1: six assists on fifty eight percent true shooting. His claim

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Speaker 1: to fame. He was the offensive engine of one of

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Speaker 1: the best defensive teams of all time, So he filled

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Speaker 1: a very important role for a team that tried to

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Speaker 1: win with defense but needed to get baskets. Obviously, he

642
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Speaker 1: was the engine that made that all work. Every kind

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Speaker 1: of player. You know. It's funny when I think back

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Speaker 1: and think about the Detroit Pistons. They were a team

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Speaker 1: I watched a lot when I was young, because obviously

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Speaker 1: I was rooting for Lebron in the Eastern Conference. And

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Speaker 1: I think they made it to five consecutive Eastern Conference

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Speaker 1: finals if I remember correctly. But like each they had

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Speaker 1: like this perfect starting five where like each guy kind

650
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: of filled a different archetype, right, Like Billups was this

651
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: like unbelievable skill guard who just had this ridiculous pull

652
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: up jump shot, and he was kind of the point

653
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: guard ran the show and like ran a lot of

654
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: pick and roll things like that. Richard Hamilton was like

655
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: the classic throwback two guard that was just flying off

656
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: of screens. I looked up this stat today. In two

657
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: thousand and five, which is when they started tracking this

658
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: particular data, Rip Hamilton shot two hundred and sixty four

659
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: shots flying off of screens. That's more than nine NBA

660
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: teams did this year. So rich Rip Hamilton by himself

661
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: would have been right around the twenty two spot in

662
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: the NBA this year in total off screen attempts going

663
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: against the other thirty NBA team, So that just gives

664
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: you an idea of how the league has changed a lot.

665
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: But Rip Hamilton was a lot of off ball stuff,

666
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: a lot of flying off screens. He did a little

667
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: bit of post up ISOs as well. Tayshaun Prince was

668
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: just this terrifying defensive wing with a ridiculous wingspan. He

669
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: did most of his work in transition and in spot

670
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: up situations, but he also could score a little bit

671
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: as well. Rashid Wallace was a post up full grumbley

672
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: throw the ball down to him on the block a lot.

673
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: He also could knock down a spot up jump shot.

674
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: He was also a great rim protector. And then Ben

675
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: Wallace was just like far and away the best defensive

676
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: player in the league at the time. And so at

677
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: the front line you had Tayshawn Prince who's one of

678
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: the very best defensive players in the league, Rashide Wallace,

679
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: who was an excellent defensive player, and then Ben Wallace,

680
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: who was the best defensive player in the league. And

681
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: those three guys just completely screwed up every single team

682
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: they played against offensively and caused all sorts of problems.

683
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: And that was the bread and butter for how they won.

684
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: But Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups had to carry most

685
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: of the offensive load, and Chauncey in particular did the

686
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: most in terms of scoring and facilitating for his teammates. Now,

687
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: he was a big, strong guard. He was about six

688
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: foot three and weighed in at about two hundred and

689
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: ten pounds. He was an absolutely dead eye pull up shooter. Now,

690
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: pull up shooting data was not tracked on Synergy before

691
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, so I can't go back that far.

692
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: But in the two thousand and five season, Chauncey Billups

693
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: shot forty five percent on pull up jump shots and

694
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: fifty two percent when you weighed it for threes. He

695
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: had this everything for Jouncey Billups was built out of

696
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: a high hesitation in his left hand, so like he

697
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: would kind of go through his legs or in a

698
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: crossover and he kind of sit in a high hesitation

699
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: in his left hand. This is a move that I

700
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: teach a ton to the younger players that I coach,

701
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: and a big part of it is it's the bridge

702
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: move that bridges everything together. When you're in that high

703
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: hesitation in your left hand, you can rise up into

704
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: a jump shot, you can continue to push the ball

705
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: forward as a drive to the left. You can hit

706
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: it in and out dribble, you can cross over to

707
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: the right, you can go between your legs, you can

708
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: go behind the back, you can literally do anything out

709
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: of a high hesitation dribble. It is the bridge move

710
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: that connects everything else. And so with Chauncey, he was

711
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: just like a pretty damn reliable pull up jump shooter

712
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: out of that left handed high hesitation. Now he almost

713
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: exclusively drove left. He drove left about seventy percent of

714
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: the time, but it was still too super hard to

715
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: guard because it was a give and to take. You

716
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 1: could press up to take away the jump shot and

717
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: he's dusting you to your left hand to his left hand,

718
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: or you can play off and he's gonna rise up

719
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: up and knocked that shot down. Use that threat of

720
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: that shot to generate a lot of rim pressure. Who

721
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: was also a great passer. He also was pretty big

722
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: and strong, so he's a great post up player among guards.

723
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: Just kind of would like back smaller guards down, get

724
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: closer to the basket, and take like little short fadeaway

725
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: jump shots in lane. It was a big time short

726
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: jump shot maker out of the post. His crowning achievement

727
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: was winning Finals MVP in two thousand and forty. He

728
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: averaged twenty one points, three rebounds, and five assists on

729
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: that series on seventy seventy percent through shooting, knocking out

730
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 1: the vaunted shock Kobe Lakers in five games. The biggest

731
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: what if of Chauncey Phillips's career, in my opinion, is

732
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: what if Robert Ori misses the three point shot with

733
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: six seconds left in Game five of the two thousand

734
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: and five NBA Finals. The Pistons were up by two

735
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: and the series was tied. It too, so they were

736
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: gone to San Antonio with two opportunities to win an

737
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: NBA championship. Now once again, kind of like I was

738
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: talking about with Tony Parker and Paul Pierce, let's reframe

739
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: this as a back to back champion in two thousand

740
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: and four to two thousand and five with two finals

741
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: MVPs knock out literally the Spurs and the Lakers along

742
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: the way. You can imagine how that would put Chauncey

743
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: Billups and really that whole Pistons team all time if

744
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: that's how it would have gone down. But that's not

745
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: how it went. Robert ori made the shot, Spurs won

746
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: in seven, and the Pistons ended up only getting one championship.

747
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, Robert ORRII showed up in a

748
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: lot of like the the filters and stuff that I

749
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: was running as I was tracking championship players and stuff.

750
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: It's just kind of crazy how many big playoff moments

751
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: Robert Oriy has been there for all right, last guy

752
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: for today, Number eighteen Pau Gasol, second best player on

753
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: two championship teams. Never made a first team All NBA,

754
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: but he made four All NBA teams in his prime

755
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: I put down from two thousand and six to twenty fifteen.

756
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: In the regular season, he averaged nineteen points, ten rebounds,

757
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: and four assists fifty seven percent true shooting. In the playoffs,

758
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: he averaged seventeen points, ten rebounds and four assists on

759
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: fifty six percent true shooting. His claimed to favor really

760
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: as he was the second most skilled big man in

761
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: the league over that era, basically behind Dirk Novitsky. He

762
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: was also the guy who helped hersuscitate Kobe Bryant's career

763
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. As we know, Kobe threatening straight up

764
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: asked for a trade. It looked like that era was

765
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: coming too close. Power Gasol comes in gives them the

766
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: necessary boost and talent that they needed. Suddenly they become

767
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: a championship caliber team. His archetype, he was a classic

768
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: throwback post up big man. Over forty percent of his

769
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: shot attempts came out of post up situations. He preferred

770
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: the left block. Actually, as a right handed player, he

771
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: preferred to take look hooks over his right shoulder with

772
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: his left hand. Like his most common post up play

773
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: type was just dump it to him on the on

774
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: the left block. He'd kind of work with his right

775
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: hand into the lane and then he quick spin back

776
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: to his left hand and make a hook shot over

777
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: the top of the defender. But that was just one

778
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: of his go to moves. He obviously had everything. He

779
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: had a left shoulder hook, he had a right shoulder hook.

780
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: He had up in under moves. He had fadeaways over

781
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: both shoulders. He could make pop shots in the lane

782
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: out of pick and roll. He was a good pick

783
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: and pop jump shooter as well. Like he just was,

784
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: like I said, the second most skilled big man in

785
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: that era. Unfortunately, Synergy did not start tracking hook shots

786
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: until twenty eleven, so I can't pull up his exact accuracy.

787
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: But in two twenty ten, which I look at his

788
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: POW's best season as a pro, he shot forty eight

789
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: percent in field goal attempts out of the post, which

790
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: is insanely good for any sort of static half court

791
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: shot creating situation. His crowning achievement was thoroughly out playing

792
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett in the twenty ten NBA Finals. He averaged

793
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: nineteen and twelve in that series on fifty six percent

794
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: true shooting. He utterly demolished the Celtics on the glass

795
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: in that series. It's funny because like early on in

796
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: Powe's careers, and this was a reputation that followed a

797
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: lot of European players, but a lot of people looked

798
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: at him as soft, and he didn't play particularly great

799
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: in the two thousand and eight season, right specifically in

800
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, And so as we look forward at

801
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: the twenty ten season, it's kind of crazy to see

802
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: that transformation because he straight up bullied the Celtics front court.

803
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: He had thirty five thirty five offensive rebounds in the

804
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: twenty ten NBA Finals. That's five per game. He had

805
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 1: nine offensive rebounds in Game seven. He had nineteen points

806
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: and eighteen rebounds overall in Game seven, and then he

807
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: hit the biggest shot of the series again. This was

808
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: Game seven, series tied at three, winner take all. The

809
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: Lakers were ugh four with just under two minutes left,

810
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: and he was posting abrasheid Wallace once again on that

811
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: left block like he always likes, spun back towards the

812
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: baseline like he always likes to do, and the Celtics

813
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: actually came to the triple team. They brought Paul Pierson

814
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett over and just smothered him. He ended up

815
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: having to double pump and take this weird, kind of

816
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: like jump shot as he was falling to the ground,

817
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: but he made it, put the Lakers up six with

818
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: a minut and a half left, and that essentially iced

819
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: the series as the Lakers went on twin their second

820
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: consecutive NBA championship. He was definitely the best player on

821
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: the floor in Game seven of that series, and you

822
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: could even make a case that he was the best

823
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: player on the Lakers in that particular series, But that

824
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: is a take that I personally disagree with. I tend

825
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: to think that Kobe, especially with what Boston was throwing

826
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: at him and with all the stuff that he did

827
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: throughout the entire season. Kind of back to what we

828
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: were talking about with Finals MVP versus Championship MVP, I

829
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: thought Kobe was a deserving Finals MVP. Biggest what if

830
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: I Paul Pierce's excuse me, Palagassol's career. This was one

831
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: that I had a hard time with because I feel

832
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: like Pawa Gasol's career went the way it was supposed to,

833
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: Like he kind of learned how to play in the

834
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: NBA in Memphis, and then he played his best years

835
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: with a really, really good Lakers team and got to

836
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: experience what his individual ceiling was like. Twenty eleven twenty twelve,

837
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: they clearly just weren't good enough anymore, so they make

838
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: an all in trade for Steve Nash and for Dwight Howard,

839
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: and then everyone breaks down that season, Like Dwight Howard

840
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: played all the time, but he wasn't the same Dwight Howard.

841
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: He was just stiffer than he used to be. Steve

842
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: Nash was in and out of the lineup with injuries

843
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: all season. Power Gasol himself only played I think forty

844
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: nine games in that particular season, and then Kobe ends

845
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: up tearing his achilles, and then from there, basically all

846
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: those guys careers were over. Dwight Howard ended up transitioning

847
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: with the other three guys were basically done at that point, Right,

848
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: So I don't really have a really good one if

849
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: just simply based on the fact that the I feel

850
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: like things kind of went the way they were supposed

851
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: to for Palgasol. But if I had to choose one,

852
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: I'd say, what if the Lakers did not blow Game

853
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: four of the two thousand and eight NBA Finals. They

854
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: were up by twenty seventy to fifty in the middle

855
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: of the third quarter of Game four, down two games

856
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: to one, and they scored just twenty one points over

857
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: the final eighteen minutes of that game as the Celtics

858
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: came back to win and take a three to one

859
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: lead in the series. Obviously, it's not a sure thing

860
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: from there, because they would have had to win Game

861
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: five at home to go up three to two, and

862
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: then they'd have to win a game in Boston. But

863
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: they would have been in a commanding position in the

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Speaker 1: series had they not blown that lead, so it's significant

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Speaker 1: what if and then obviously now we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: three peat if the Lakers win that particular series. So

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Speaker 1: that's all I have for today with Paucasol at number eighteen.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow with number seventeen, sixteen, fifteen, and

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Speaker 1: fourteen the volume