WEBVTT - Tangled 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.000 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.960 women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:13.080 Or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:18.400 changing it with the beck Del Cast. Oh, Jamie, let 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:29.560 down your hair. Wow, Caitlin, my hair is so unhealthy. Okay, Um, 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.760 we're gonna get about. Do you need to travel from 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.320 my shoulders to my scalp because that's about as far 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.040 as we're gonna get at this point in time. Oh great, 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.839 well then yeah, absolutely no problem. It will hurt a lot, 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:45.320 But like Rapunzel, I'm extremely self sacrificing for no reason, 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:49.559 So sure it hurt me. Oh do you actually we 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:54.200 just met? But should I like die for you? You know? Um, 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.440 welcome to the Bechdel Cast. We both have pretty short hair, 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.360 not like short, we're both we're both medium right now. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.480 Mine used to be much shorter. I used to be 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.880 the baldest woman in charge and then and now I 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.520 would say, we're we're about right now. It's a really 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:13.199 equal leadership. We're both kind of medium right now, which 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.240 is which I think is a fair and just way 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:20.600 to rule a podcast. I think so I love parody 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.280 equality I wish, I wish I could do. I get 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.240 nervous about having a shorter haircut because I have a 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.399 weird head shape and I have a lump on top 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.120 of my head, and I just don't like calling too 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.040 much attention to my head. Don't say those things about 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:37.120 my friend Jamie. Look, I've I've known her for a 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.640 long time, and she has a lump on her head 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:44.520 and I don't have the confidence to embrace it at 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.840 this point in my life. Someday I'm gonna be calling 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.800 attention to this damn lump, because that's where all the 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.120 good ships happening, right in that little golf ball on 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:57.520 top of my head. Oh boy, Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.480 My name is Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Darante, 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.960 and this is our show where we examine movies through 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.720 an intersectional feminist lens, using, of course, the Bechdel test 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.040 simply as a jumping off point. Oh for sure, that 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.080 Bechdel test. Let me tell you about it, because there's 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:15.880 some things about it, but you're not going to expect 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.160 Just kidding. If you listen to the show, um, you 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:19.880 know what it is. Uh, we use it as a 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.880 jumping off point for discussion. It is a media metric 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:28.480 originally created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:33.080 Bechdel Wallace Test. Many versions of this test. Our version 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:37.480 is this, are there two characters with names of a 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.720 marginalized gender who talked to each other about something other 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:45.880 than a man for two lines of dialogue? And very 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.200 often it doesn't happen very often, you know, in this 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.680 day and age and this economy, very often it does. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.080 Either way, we're gonna talk about it for about two 0:02:55.160 --> 0:03:00.239 seconds in one and a half hours, so don't worry 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.560 about it for now. Um, and today we are covering 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.560 on the main feed. I think this is what we've 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.520 been kind of making a concerted effort as of late 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.400 to uh knock out some of our top requests that 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.040 have literally been on our request list for at this 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.959 point more than half a decade, because look, enough is enough. 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:25.800 We understand there are certain films, Flims, pieces of cinema 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:30.919 that you pieces of cinema no, no, that go with it. 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.240 Commit Oh my god, I just in my head heard 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:37.200 a shattering glass sound and I'm just like you can 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.880 interpret that as my brain breaking, or you could interpret 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.000 it as me punging through the glass ceiling coming up 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.120 with a new incredible phrase. Pieces of cinema, I choose 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.640 the ladder. Wait, what happens at the end of What 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.840 does he say at the end of Saw? And then 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:58.320 he slams the door? He says, game over, slam. That's 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.920 what's happening in my head. Twenty four seven. Anytime I 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:05.720 encounter something that is confusing to me, and I just 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.640 take a nap and I'm kidding and I educate myself. 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:14.480 I learned, Okay, wow, okay, no no no, no, no 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:19.960 no no. Of course not of course, not doing really 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.479 weird lately, but that doesn't mean I'm not ready to 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:28.520 have some discorse about the movie Tangled with my friend Caitlin. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.040 This movie has been on our list forever, Yes, it has. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.080 Our listeners want this episode, and we decided, you know what, 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.359 it's time. It's time, and so that's what we're covering today. 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.960 Two thousand ten Disney animated film starring I didn't really 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.960 I knew it was Mandy Moore because I was a 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.479 childhood fan of Mandy Moore. I know I've talked about 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.280 this on the show before. I haven't had a Haunted 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.919 Mandy Moore Poster. I didn't know Zachary Levi was in 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.599 this movie, which is interesting to me because he's handsome. 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:01.400 That he is, and that's all I have to say. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.080 And also Paul of Tompkins shout out to Pop Tompkins. Yeah, 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:09.320 there's some fun voice acting in this movie. Zachary Levi 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.760 Mr Shazam himself. I do confuse them of Zachary Quinto 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.840 sometimes due to their both being named Zachary and being handsome. 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:23.200 But this is Zachary. This is Shazam Zachary, not star 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.960 Trek Zachary. Correct. And that is how we distinguish them. 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.719 That is, that is famously how we do that. There's 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.000 Sam and Their Spots podcast, and there there are two 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:37.200 kinds of Zachary's Shazam and spak Sprouse. There's three kinds 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:42.160 of Zachary's. Oh right, Oh, you don't know the Sprouse 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:43.960 is off the tip. No wait, oh my god, I 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.680 got it wrong. It's Dylan. I was thinking of his 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.200 character zach from This Week Life of Zach and Cody. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:56.440 I'm wrong, Glass shattering game over slam Well, Zachary Zachary. Listeners, 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.359 please let us know which of the two Zachary options 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.839 you are. Are you a Spock or Chosam. We're back 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.640 down to two. Sprouse is not an option because that 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.479 was a fictional character. I'm more spok, I think, Oh 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.760 I am definitely more of a Spok than a Chosam. Yeah, 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.320 because you didn't like Sham, as we talked about recently 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:20.160 on the Matreon. Um, I really broke some young man's 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:26.359 heart that day. Sorry sir. Anyway, Okay, Jamie, what is 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:31.880 your your relationship with Tangled? Oh my gosh, Um, I 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.000 did not see this movie when I came out. I 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.200 was in high school and I was like, I'm too 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.280 old for this. I don't need I don't need to 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:42.160 go see Tangled. You. So I did not see it 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.039 when it originally came out. I think I saw it 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:48.359 a couple of years later. My vague memory that is 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.240 completely useless and irrelevant about seeing this movie was I 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.080 saw it on DVD at a woman's house where I 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:58.960 was modeling T shirts for her question Mark. At some 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.479 point in college, I made money, um, in a lot 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:05.200 of shady ways. In college. I sold my blood and 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.440 I did that too. I mean, it's kind of a 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:12.640 time honored tradition in the grand uh in the grand 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.320 tradition of late capitalism. Of course, we both sold our blood. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:20.679 And I also would do these like weird modeling gigs 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.720 where I'm pretty sure you're getting super ripped off that 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.120 you would wear like these ugly ass T shirts that 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.840 would say, like, you know, like corny early tens T 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.080 shirts that would be like, I'm trying to think, like 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:36.239 good morning is an oxy moron something like that. Kind 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.840 of I kind of like those better, I like Auntie 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.920 T shirts are fine with me, but this was like 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:46.679 sassy millennial like like bacon humor. It was bacon humor, 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.840 ultimately embarrassing. I hope they don't exist on the internet anymore. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.480 But anyways, this random woman was doing my makeup at 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.280 her house and we watched Tangled, and then I'm pretty 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.760 sure I got my got my image exploited, I see, 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.520 But I liked it. And then I've and I've and 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.160 I've watched it a couple of times since. I think 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.440 it's like I've never thought very hard about it. But 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.480 I knew a little bit about the production around this movie, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.360 and I'm excited to talk about it because it feels 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:20.520 like a very particular moment in time for Princess Energy. 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:25.360 So sure, what's your history. I don't think I saw 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.000 this in theaters, but I do remember seeing it probably 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.600 within a year of it coming out. I was living 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.840 in Boston at the time. Brave Me too, and we oh, 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.560 no way, I was still at home. Oh jeez, well, 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.079 I was living in Boston. I was not, um, a 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:45.720 supermodel like you were. Yeah. Yeah, people were datat pictures 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.920 of me in ugly shirts on their point and shoots. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.880 So it sounds to me like you were doing some 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:55.320 like runway high fashion runway modeling. It was really sexy 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.200 what I was doing, for sure. Um No, I was 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.280 just kind of chilling in Boston. Probably saw this with 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:07.440 my friend j T. I remember liking it, but not 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.600 enough to be like, oh, this is gonna be in 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.800 my rotation kind of thing. So I didn't watch it 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:19.800 again until I want to say twenty nineteen, maybe sometime 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.840 around then. I went to a friends giving celebration at 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:28.000 a friend of the pod Sammy Junio's house, Love It, 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.360 and we decided that we were going to watch a 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.560 bunch of movies and that those movies could only start 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:40.360 with the letter T. So we watched three T movies, 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.840 the first one of course, being Titanic, the second one 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:48.080 being Terminator too, and the third one being Tangled. So 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.560 I saw it again and I was like, oh, this movie, 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.880 this is cute, this is this is better than I remember. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.199 I like this movie. But then again, I didn't see 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:01.160 it again until prepping for this episode, so rewatching it, 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.040 especially through like the Bechtel cast lens Um, was an 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:09.320 interesting journey. I feel like there's there's a lot to discuss. Yeah, 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.400 this movie really is it. It's it's messing with you. 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.920 And I think when the first, like maybe one or 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.199 two times I saw it, it didn't really click for 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.400 me because it is for its faults, which we will 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.160 be discussing. I think it's a really fun movie. It's 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.320 like a good, engaging Disney movie that doesn't feel like 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.440 most other Disney movies. But not because it's you know, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.040 amazing and progressive. It's just kind of different. It's actually 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:42.240 I like it. I like the chameleon Pascal. That was 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.240 the chameleon from the Minions test, wasn't it? It was 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.320 so listen. Famously, we all Jamie and I both took 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:54.319 a which Minion are you test? On your birthday of course, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.760 I swear to god. I texted that damn quiz to 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:00.320 every person I've ever met and was like, I need 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.200 to know what many you are right now, because like, 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:06.480 is this friendship gonna sustain or not? Let's share our results? 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:11.480 Shall we mine? Sucks? Okay, yeah, Caitlin, now you're awesome. 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:15.520 Minions quiz results. I got Stewart, Is that right? I 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:20.760 don't even remember now Stewart Sieball the rock Star. I'm 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.520 classic me, you know, classic Caitlin. A bunch of people 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.319 in my life got Kevin's, which is like, okay, that's 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.360 if we're getting we're pulling a Kevin or a Stewart 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:36.600 result friend for life. Meanwhile, I pulled Grow. I got Grow. 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.600 I don't see it if if it makes you feel 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.400 any better, thank you so much. I don't know how 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:48.240 I got Grow, but it lowered my self esteem immeasurably. 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.120 I can't and on your birthday. It happened to me 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.440 on my birthday while we got the Minion's menu at 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.480 eye Hoop, which was gross disappointing. Oh my god. Okay, 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.360 last thing before we jump to the discourse the Minions. 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:04.520 First of all, I don't think I hop as one 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:09.679 of ours, our sponsors. Listeners are randomly generated, and so 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.840 we don't really know, but hopefully not. I hop because 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.400 the Minions menu, we were so looking forward to it. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.880 Caitlin brilliantly decided we should go on my birthday. And 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.160 then we get there and what is the menu. It's 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:29.559 just existing menu items with Minions characters. Yeah, like pancakes, 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:34.360 but with yellow and blue sprinkles. Literally, minion come. Sorry, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:39.360 but like that was that was the consistency. It was gross. 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:46.319 Are you suggesting that minions come, yes, yellow and blue sprinkles? Okay? No, no, no, no, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.679 I was I was talking about the yellow gou. Oh, 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.440 the yellow okay, So there was banana flavored goo and 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.520 then sprinkles on top of that. Yeah, the goo was cold, 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:59.720 So I do think that minions come cold, yellow banana goo. Okay, 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.120 here's a thing not to derail this conversation even further, 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.559 but similar to the does beetle juice come wet or 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.760 dry scabs? You're in the camp of minions, come that 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:15.000 cold banana flavored goo. I'm in the camp of minions, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:19.200 come yellow and blue sprinkles. See that's a fun kind 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.199 of changing of the narrative because with beetle juice. As 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.440 we're going to be debating come October, as we do 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:28.000 every year. I always say he comes dry scabs sounds 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.840 like card shuffling. You always say he comes wet scabs 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.320 like a laser jet printer. And in this case, I'm 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:39.040 team wet and your team dry exactly. Wow. What we 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:43.200 know for sure is that Minions, uh, they do not 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:48.880 sexually reproduce, so all of their sex is strictly for pleasure, 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:54.480 and I celebrate that, which I think is um kind 0:13:54.480 --> 0:14:01.280 of amazing and progressive Minions progressive text. Okay, transitioning into 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:06.200 our discussion around Tangled. So we both have uh light 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.320 you know, light appreciation for this movie prior to prior 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.360 to covering it. I don't think either of us have 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:17.120 a particularly strong attachment. But I was thinking, as I 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:21.920 was watching this movie for you, what like, as much 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:23.480 as I was enjoying the movie, I'm like, what is 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.000 this movie doing that Shrek had not already done? Yes, 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:33.840 a question, a legitimate question, and I will say, well, 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.640 you know, my thing is like I do think that 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:44.400 Rapunzel has more certainly more screen time than Princess Fiona 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.760 certainly has a more distinct well, I don't even know there. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.800 I think that Fiona might do more with less screen time, 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:57.480 and Shrek two thousand one is because she is. I mean, look, 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.720 did I rewatch Trek before this? No? Should I have? 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.720 Of course this is in a comparative study. I just 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.840 there's obviously, because Shrek is a rip off of literally everything, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.520 Princess Fiona kind of has a Rapunzel thing going on. 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.120 She has trapped in a tower against her will and 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:19.600 needs to be rescued. Right, I would argue that Rapunzel 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.560 has in this movie, at least in this version of 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:28.800 the narrative, she has more agency than Fiona. She there's 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.480 no far quad. There's no far quad, so there's not 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:36.200 like a rival man. Right. The humor of the movie 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:40.960 does not rely on punching down in the way that 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:46.680 Shrek humor often does. Excuse me, or just like kind 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:51.600 of outdated references the way that Shrek tends to do. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:53.800 I truly did not mean to start this as a 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:59.040 genuine conversation, but finishing it was a joke. I know, 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:03.800 but I think still a legitimate question. Donkey better than 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.280 Maximus certainly, Oh yeah, for sure, But I don't like 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:11.160 Maximus is the Max the Horses arc. I don't like 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.280 Max the Horse's arc. I say we cut Max honestly 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.000 because it's just my My central issue with this movie 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.760 is that it's there's so much Flynn, There's so much Flynn, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.400 and there's like, why does Flint, even Flynn's horse, have 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.800 an arc? Why not give that to Rapunzel's animal familiar, 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.000 who is mostly just very adorable, which I love. But 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.000 I'm like, we're giving the horse an arc, but we 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.920 still don't have any empathy for the villain. Like I 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.680 just I was like, too much, too much Flynn. As 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.680 much as I think zach rely By is handsome, he's 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.520 a cartoon in this. So what why am I watching this? No? 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:51.480 I agree my very scholarly opinion. Yeah, I say Max, 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.560 take him to the backyard and put him down. That's 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.840 what I say about man. Wow, you want to send 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:01.200 him to the glue factor? Your face? Yeah, we gotta 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.199 turn Max into glue. I think he's he's mucking up 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.359 the story. I don't care about Flynn's rivalry with his 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:13.760 own horse. Well it's not his horse. Sorry. I I 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.040 as much as I love love a good horse, we 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:19.920 just went to medieval times. I love a good horse. 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:21.680 Oh my god, I went to the Kentucky Derby this year. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.439 I love a good horse. Yeah. Okay, well that's I 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:28.080 think that brings us into the recap, because let's talk 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:32.479 about it. Here's the story of Rapunzel, or of Tangled Tangled, 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.159 which is also a huge thing. Why is the name different? 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:40.040 We'll still talk about it, yes, okay, So we open 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:45.560 by learning about Rapunzel's backstory, which is told to us 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.880 by Flynn Rider. We will meet him for what reason later? 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:55.479 Good question, and we are in you could say, medieval times. 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:59.159 Shout out to your recent birthday celebration. Shout out to 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.360 the Red Knight. Oh my god, Red Night, Red Night, 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.320 Red Night King, the king of medieval times. Okay, I 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:11.080 went a park, a drop of sun fell to the earth, 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:15.680 and a magic golden flower grew from it that had 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.199 the ability to heal the sick and injured if you 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.200 sing a special song to the flower. Put a pin 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.560 in that. There is a kingdom with a king and 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:29.080 a queen, and the queen is gregnant, and she is 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.720 about to have a greg but she gets really sick. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:38.040 So the king's people, like the kingsman, reciput and go 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:43.880 out and search. This movie was missing a respute. Yeah, 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:48.000 where was Rescputen? Where was Resputen entangled? There, I'm gonna 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:53.040 start asking truly nonsense questions, start pivoting into extremely bad 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.560 faith analysis and being like, so, um, I thought this 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:02.240 movie was feminist, but then where was Resputen? Another question? Um? Okay? 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.560 So the kingsmen go out to look for this golden 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:10.920 flower to heal the queen. But there's this woman, mother Goffel, 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.879 who had already found the flower and has been hoarding 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:18.359 its power for centuries to keep herself young this whole time. 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.399 But the kingsman find the flower and take it to 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.679 the queen to heal her. She gives birth to a 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.919 little girl with golden hair, and this, of course is Rapunzel, 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.439 and to celebrate the birth of their daughter, the King 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:36.919 and Queen release a floating lantern into the sky. Adorable 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:41.879 love it cute, But then mother Gothel shows up. Rapunzel's 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:46.280 hair has the same magical properties as the flower, and 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.760 Gothel thinks she can cut some of the hair off 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.880 and use it to keep her young, but she discovers 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:57.080 that cutting this lock of Rapunzel's hair takes away its 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:01.680 magical properties and to her earns that strand of hair 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:05.880 that's still attached to her. Punzel's head renders it unmagical 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:13.240 and brown, gross brown hair bad you and me found 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:18.720 dead in a ditch like unbelievable. So basically, the hair 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.560 needs to be attached to Rapunzel's head in order for 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:26.840 it to retain its magical properties. So Gothel kidnaps Rapunzel 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.640 so that she can always have access to her hair. 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.920 Gothel keeps Rapunzel locked away in this tower hidden in 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.680 the forest, and raises Rapunzel as her own daughter, so 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:43.920 Rapunzel thinks that Gothel is her mother. Time passes, we 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.160 see Gozel singing this special song which activates the hair 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:52.440 and keeps her young. Um. We also learned that each year, 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:56.080 on Rapunzel's birthday at the castle far off in the distance, 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.359 the King and Queen release hundreds of lanterns into the sky, 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:04.800 hope being that their lost daughter will someday return. This 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.400 is something that Rapunzel always like watches and sees and 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:14.000 loves this event of the lanterns floating in the sky. Um. Okay, 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.399 So then we cut two Rapunzel as a teenager. She's 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.240 still living in the tower. Her hair is like a 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.480 hundred feet long since it can't be cut because it'll 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:27.880 lose its powers. And I've watched, um, I've watched shorts 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:31.159 on how I mean, I know that, like it's extremely 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:35.920 extremely hard to animate hair, And after under fully understanding 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:39.840 that process and working in animation, I was like, wow, this. 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.960 I wonder if if we have UM like legit animators 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.320 listening to the show, does watching these things with the 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:48.600 hair give you a panic attack? Because it stresses me 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:53.600 out and I don't even understand computer animation, UM, but 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.520 you're like wow, Wow. This was like the most expensive 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:02.560 UM Disney movie produced to date, and partially because of 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.360 development stuff that we'll talk about right. Also because like 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.200 the budget, like how many people you need to have 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:13.320 on hair duty alone is just like wild. Anyways, the 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:16.639 budget shout out to hair animators. The budget for this 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.639 was I think two and sixty million dollars, making it 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.840 one of the highest budget movies ever and the highest 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.200 budget animated movie of all time. I think. I don't 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:28.720 know if that record has been broken since then, but 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:37.040 it but it's just by other Disney movies, So I 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.679 don't think we need to give them more airtime. But 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:48.080 one of them was Zootopia, the movie I disliked the most. Okay, 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:53.640 so we learned about Rapunzel's life, which is pretty uneventful. Basically, 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:57.119 she just spends all day trying to keep herself occupied. 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:00.560 So she cleans, she cooks, she reads, she paints, she 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.919 plays guitar, she puts together puzzles, she plays chess. She 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.320 does all these things to occupy her time. And her 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:12.240 only friend is a chameleon named Pascal. She gets regular 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:15.280 visits from Gothel, but Gothel doesn't seem to live in 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:19.639 the tower with her, so Rapunzel is pretty isolated. The 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:23.359 point basically being that she wants much more than this 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:27.520 provincial life all the way down to like the I 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:28.920 feel like that had to be a Beauty in the 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:30.879 Beast reference for when she gets out of the tower 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.920 and there's that little what do you call those goddamn 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:39.560 poof plants um with the seedlings that fly into where 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:45.600 those are like dandelions, like dandelion, it's something about dandelions. 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:50.160 We're botanists, so we should not this um. But yeah, 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:52.400 that do you remember that? That's like a very specific 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:54.439 image and Beauty and the Beast I remember, And then 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:57.800 Rapunzel has the same image, but this time it's computers, 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.159 and she's in the middle of saying about how she 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:06.840 wants much more than this whatever tower life based life 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:15.239 hashtag tower life. So okay. So Rapunzela has decided to 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:20.959 ask Goszel if she can go outside and see the 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:26.479 floating lights, especially because tomorrow is Rapunzel's eighteenth birthday. And 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:30.119 she feels that these lights, which we know are the 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:34.720 lanterns that the castle releases, she feels that they're kind 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:37.760 of meant for her somehow, that she has some connection 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:42.199 to them. And Gothel is like, no way, I know 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:45.000 it's best for you. It's not safe out there. You 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.760 can't handle yourself out there. You're not strong enough to 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:52.080 go into this dangerous world. Yes, she's doing quite a 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:57.960 bit of nagging, poor Rapunzel. There's a lot to discuss 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:02.399 with this uh mother dog relationship, for sure, Yes, and 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:05.880 also with just like Gothel in general, because for all 0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:09.520 of this movie seems to think it's subverting some of 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:11.320 which it actually is, a lot of which it isn't. 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.719 I feel like Gothel is like glaring, like we can 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:21.600 have sympathy for everyone, but uh, woman over Ford, right, Okay. 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:27.880 So meanwhile, Flynn writer the narrator guy who is a bandit, 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:33.240 steals a crown from the castle and is fleeing the 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:38.040 castle guards along with his two kind of like the 0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:43.119 good buddies, the Stabbington brothers. Great name. Gotta hand it 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:47.600