Speaker 1: What's that at the bed?
Speaker 2: It's spooky and jooky. I'm really sure it's dead. It's
Speaker 2: coming this way. Wait a minute, I'm ousad by Russ dressed.
Speaker 2: Hey boo, it's me Roz. How are you me? I am.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can tell from the sound
Speaker 1: of my voice, but I think I have I think
Speaker 1: I got a cold. I did a COVID rapid test.
Speaker 1: I don't have COVID. Ninety nine dollars later, I've found
Speaker 1: out I don't have COVID, So that's good, and I am,
Speaker 1: you know, fully vaccinated. But my defenses are down, and
Speaker 1: I've been very out and about and so I may
Speaker 1: have gotten a cold. So now I'm canceling all kinds
Speaker 1: of things and staying home and taking it easy. So
Speaker 1: I apologize that my voice sounds like this. And I'm
Speaker 1: also recording a lot of episodes this week upcoming, so
Speaker 1: my voice might sound like this for a while.
Speaker 2: At least when you listen to this show. So I apologize.
Speaker 1: But before I conclude my two part conversation with Katrina
Speaker 1: Widman of the TV show Portals to Hell, I thought
Speaker 1: I would take a look at some of the ghost
Speaker 1: stories I've been sent lately. This first one comes from
Speaker 1: a five star review on Apple podcast A Great Place to.
Speaker 2: Leave a Ghost Story.
Speaker 1: It comes from King GHF ten and they write, I
Speaker 1: have a quick story. A few years ago. I was
Speaker 1: on an evening drive. It was near sunset but still
Speaker 1: light out with my mother on an old country highway.
Speaker 1: Two lanes, lots of curves, lots of farmland and trees.
Speaker 1: At one section of the road there's a farm where
Speaker 1: the farmhouse and barn are on opposite sides of the
Speaker 1: road and very close to it as well. My mother
Speaker 1: was driving, so that gave me an opportunity to look around.
Speaker 1: I remember admiring the farmhouse as we came up to it.
Speaker 1: Then something in the road caught my eye. Standing directly
Speaker 1: in front of the barn in the middle of the
Speaker 1: opposite lane of traffic was a figure. It was tall,
Speaker 1: tope colored with gauzy strips that floated in a bizarre way,
Speaker 1: almost like it was underwater. I said to my mother,
Speaker 1: what is that. She had no idea what I was
Speaker 1: talking about, and SUV was coming the opposite directions for
Speaker 1: the figure. I thought maybe it was some kind of
Speaker 1: scarecrow from the farm that inadvertently ended up in the street.
Speaker 1: In a split second, I realized that that was definitely
Speaker 1: not the case. As the suv approached, I yelled, they're
Speaker 1: going to hit it. They don't see it. We passed
Speaker 1: it and the suv at the same time. As the
Speaker 1: suv hit it, it raised an arm pointing a They just
Speaker 1: wrote the word bony. I'm gonna say bony finger, A
Speaker 1: bony finger at us, I screamed. I was fully convinced
Speaker 1: that I was watching a car accident. But the suv
Speaker 1: kept on and there was no thud. Immediately I turned
Speaker 1: back in my seat to look at the spot where
Speaker 1: it was standing.
Speaker 2: It was gone, and.
Speaker 1: Clearly I was the only one who saw it. My
Speaker 1: mom never saw it, and the suv never slowed down.
Speaker 1: I was so confused and frankly scared. I asked her
Speaker 1: to turn back to see if something was still there,
Speaker 1: and nothing. I never saw it again, but I always
Speaker 1: feel dread when I drive past that farm. Oh God,
Speaker 1: especially after last week when we talked about that murder
Speaker 1: farm that Katrina recently investigated.
Speaker 2: That is a spooky one. Thank you for sending it. Now.
Speaker 2: Here's another one that I found a little terrifying.
Speaker 1: This was posted by Jennifer in the Facebook group ghosted
Speaker 1: by ros Dress Flees. Jennifer writes, I have a ton
Speaker 1: of good ghost stories, but I'm nervous to type them
Speaker 1: all out. This is my last experience. Here it goes.
Speaker 1: I live in a haunted house. It is not old,
Speaker 1: but the land is, and many Native Americans have lived
Speaker 1: and died on this land. Anyway, I got up in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night to get a snack, and
Speaker 1: when I got to the hallway to my room, there
Speaker 1: was this thirteen to fourteen year old girl with long
Speaker 1: brown hair and a long, stereotypical white night dress on.
Speaker 1: I just stood there, too, stunned to move. I don't
Speaker 1: remember how I got back to my room. The next week,
Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast about children without eyes,
Speaker 1: and my blood ran cold when I remembered the spirit.
Speaker 1: She had black spots where her eyes should have been.
Speaker 1: Studying up on it. I'm convinced that she is not
Speaker 1: one of those children with black eyes. But what was it?
Speaker 1: Why don't I remember going back to bed? I don't
Speaker 1: sleep walk. Could this have been an alien? I haven't
Speaker 1: seen her since, but there are times in that hallway
Speaker 1: I have to turn on the light because I can
Speaker 1: feel something looking at me. Thoughts, am I just crazy?
Speaker 2: Be kind?
Speaker 1: Wow that was actually posted June fifteenth, so if you
Speaker 1: have any insight, please Jennifer now in the Facebook group.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, of course my first thought was
Speaker 1: maybe it was one of those black eyed children, but that's.
Speaker 2: It's a different thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, the lore around black eyed children is usually
Speaker 1: that they're trying to get into your house, not that
Speaker 1: they're already in there. But yeah, the scary part is
Speaker 1: that you don't remember going to bed or ooh ooh. Jennifer,
Speaker 1: and you said that you feel like somebody's watching you
Speaker 1: in the darkness, but like, are they watching you? If
Speaker 1: they don't have any eyeballs, maybe they don't see you.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make it more comforting, I know, but I
Speaker 1: don't know, just the thought.
Speaker 2: Keep us updated on that.
Speaker 1: I have got another episode on my Patreon this of
Speaker 1: my little podcast I've been doing with my best friend Sam.
Speaker 2: This week.
Speaker 1: We are talking about malls, you know, shopping malls, So
Speaker 1: you can find that on my second tier of Patreon
Speaker 1: this week, so look out for that. And I say,
Speaker 1: we get into this conversation with miss Katrina Widman. Now
Speaker 1: we are going to be referencing again her TV show
Speaker 1: Portals to Hell, which you can find on Discovery. Plus,
Speaker 1: I do think that you could still enjoy this if
Speaker 1: you haven't yet seen Portals to Hell. And another thing
Speaker 1: that we reference right at the beginning of this conversation
Speaker 1: is this ghost video that I have seen previous to
Speaker 1: her investigation at the Hotel Montevista in Flagstaff, Arizona.
Speaker 2: And it's a video of this rocking chair.
Speaker 1: This family is doing a seance and they're like they
Speaker 1: tell the rocky chair to move, and it does move
Speaker 1: in a very quick way and it's really really scary.
Speaker 1: Maybe you've seen the video. If not, look it up.
Speaker 1: It's spooky. Anyway, here's my conversation with Katrina Weidman. Hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy on with the show.
Speaker 2: Well, another place.
Speaker 1: You guys went to was what was that hotel where
Speaker 1: that video there was like that viral video that that
Speaker 1: was the monte Vista one.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that was some Flagstaff, Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I've seen that video before.
Speaker 1: It's like a dad and some little girls and they're
Speaker 1: doing a Oiji board and then they asked the rocking
Speaker 1: chair to move and then it like moves in a
Speaker 1: very violent way.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that video?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: You know, it's so hard for me when people are like,
Speaker 4: here's the video or here's the picture, because I don't
Speaker 4: know the circumstances at the time, and it's.
Speaker 3: It's always so hard to.
Speaker 2: You don't know what you.
Speaker 4: Can't see, right, So in a in a video or
Speaker 4: a picture, you only see what's framed and which is why.
Speaker 4: And it's funny like, even though I work in paring
Speaker 4: normal television, I totally get the criticisms of it, and
Speaker 4: I agree with most criticisms of it, to be honest,
Speaker 4: because if I was sitting at home, I would be
Speaker 4: the first one to call BS on a lot of things,
Speaker 4: not that they are, just that I think if you're
Speaker 4: not there, it's sometimes hard to say, you know, yes,
Speaker 4: I believe that because there's also people in this world
Speaker 4: that don't have great intentions, you know, So when I
Speaker 4: see something, I'm always like, really really cautious about it.
Speaker 4: With that guy, we met him, he was very very nice.
Speaker 4: I felt like he was being upfront. What is interesting
Speaker 4: is Jack's background. He also works I can't remember the
Speaker 4: exact title of it, but he works with the reason
Speaker 4: he's like a police reserve officer, and uh so he's
Speaker 4: obviously like had a lot of training and just being
Speaker 4: able to read people really well. And and he believed
Speaker 4: that that family was being truthful. So they, I mean,
Speaker 4: they seem truthful to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were just talking about on this show that
Speaker 1: there's like this whole YouTube phenomenon now of like body
Speaker 1: language experts. After like a celebrity tell all people, you know,
Speaker 1: they're all these body language experts would be like, now
Speaker 1: you see how she just itched her nose. That means right,
Speaker 1: lying or whatever. I'd be curious to know about that
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. But yeah, it's like it's almost
Speaker 1: like what you were saying, you have to ex like
Speaker 1: if you're not there when the videos taken. It's like,
Speaker 1: how do you prove that anything is real? Like you
Speaker 1: can never prove that the paranormal is real unless something
Speaker 1: happened when we're all the whole entire world is in
Speaker 1: the room together, which would never happen. Like it's like
Speaker 1: it would have to be. It's all personal really, Like.
Speaker 3: I don't know it is. I think until we have more.
Speaker 4: Maybe more science behind it, I think that's when we'll
Speaker 4: see a shift in that because I know I've had
Speaker 4: experiences caught on camera that there is no explanation for
Speaker 4: how those things happened. But I get messages about it
Speaker 4: like you fake that and we know it's faked, and
Speaker 4: here's how you did it, and it's completely off the
Speaker 4: like there's no truth.
Speaker 3: To what they're saying at all.
Speaker 4: But I understand the skepticism you know, that goes into
Speaker 4: it for sure, So you know, I think it's just
Speaker 4: a thing of Oh I think it again. It's one
Speaker 4: of those things that I meet people like this all
Speaker 4: the time. Not that they're against the supernatural, but they
Speaker 4: won't believe it until it happens to them. And I
Speaker 4: can respect that because it's hard to wrap your head
Speaker 4: around it that maybe something does exist beyond what we
Speaker 4: already know.
Speaker 1: God, I just wish that I had like a couple
Speaker 1: of goes that I could just like call and be
Speaker 1: like okay over here, like go for yourself that one
Speaker 1: at a time with every skeptic.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But you know, another thing about that hotel is that
Speaker 1: it had tunnels underneath. And I've noticed that with like
Speaker 1: a number of places that you guys go to. Do
Speaker 1: you think that there's a connection with being underground and
Speaker 1: you know portals or whatever with the other side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, historically, what we know is that tunnels
Speaker 4: were sometimes a lot of times used for nefarious reasons.
Speaker 4: So even if they weren't built for anything bad, they
Speaker 4: were often used for things that weren't supposed to be
Speaker 4: going on. So if we're looking at the supernatural is
Speaker 4: connected to tragedy, then it makes sense. If the supernatural
Speaker 4: is not connected to tragedy, then is it something where
Speaker 4: people we just kind of get freaked out about mysterious
Speaker 4: tunnels and so then we we think, you know, we're
Speaker 4: tying these supernatural events to the fact that there is
Speaker 4: a tunnel.
Speaker 3: That could be a possibility.
Speaker 4: Even further, if there is something tied to the supernatural
Speaker 4: that has anything to do with like the energy of
Speaker 4: the earth the land itself, then a tunnel is obviously
Speaker 4: usually deeper than a basement in a lot of places,
Speaker 4: or on the same level as the basement, so could
Speaker 4: there be any connection that way.
Speaker 1: We also, you're like eye level with dead bodies when
Speaker 1: they're buried.
Speaker 3: This is true, true.
Speaker 1: And anytime you're like underground, it's so much scarier because
Speaker 1: you can't like run like it's you know, like you're
Speaker 1: like almost trapped if like something scary up and down there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I think tunnels exactly what you said.
Speaker 4: Tunnels can represent a lot of fears that we have
Speaker 4: as humans, either for being claustrophobic or facing some element
Speaker 4: of death itself.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: You guys also went to a theater, which yes, always
Speaker 1: my favorite me too.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I love an old, historic theater.
Speaker 1: And that place was really great and they had that
Speaker 1: grom Dam actress ghost.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh I just love that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was I mean the Fulton Theater in Lancaster beautiful.
Speaker 4: And actually a friend from college used to work there,
Speaker 4: or did he used to work there or the one
Speaker 4: of the lighting directors or audio directors is like still his.
Speaker 3: Really good friend, And.
Speaker 4: So it was cool for me to go there because
Speaker 4: it's close to where I grew up and obviously I
Speaker 4: was a theater major. So like kind of what you
Speaker 4: were saying, like you just step in, Like you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like you step into a theater, it's
Speaker 4: just you're like a kid in a candy store. It
Speaker 4: feels so good. I love the energy, So I agree
Speaker 4: with you. Those are my favorite places to investigate, because
Speaker 4: I just I could just like be on the stage
Speaker 4: all day.
Speaker 3: I'd be so happy.
Speaker 1: You could almost throw old theaters into the cab agory
Speaker 1: of jails and asylums and hospitals. But like sometimes I
Speaker 1: do encounter old theaters where they're like, Nope, never heard
Speaker 1: any ghosts around here.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, there is this. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 2: that you have to have at least one ghost, the
Speaker 2: lady in White.
Speaker 3: Every theater has the Lady in White.
Speaker 4: Yes, the tragic actress who didn't get the part, and
Speaker 4: so you know, she's left to haunt the place forever.
Speaker 1: Totally, God, we should do a musical with all of
Speaker 1: those actress ghosts. Somehow summon them. Michelle will get Michelle
Speaker 1: on the phone she introduce it. We'll get all of
Speaker 1: those ladies to get their chance. That would be amazing.
Speaker 1: I love it, Okay. And then another place was the
Speaker 1: the Padre Hotel, which is not super far from LA
Speaker 1: and Bakersfield, which I didn't really know about that place,
Speaker 1: but that place has handprints of a little girl in
Speaker 1: would that they try to wipe away and they stay there.
Speaker 2: What is that.
Speaker 1: Padre?
Speaker 4: It is hard for me to recall because I wasn't
Speaker 4: physically there, right, So yeah, so I was working remotely
Speaker 4: just because of COVID stuff, you know, and so I
Speaker 4: was doing a lot of the research there. What I
Speaker 4: can tell you is that Padre definitely has a sorted past,
Speaker 4: you know, like a lot of those hotels did at
Speaker 4: the time, because you know, they were built to be
Speaker 4: these grand hotels than they were for a long time.
Speaker 4: But like a lot of businesses, where this can happen
Speaker 4: is they fall into despair and so then they try
Speaker 4: to find ways to make money, and sometimes CD activity
Speaker 4: or CD people get involved, and then you have people
Speaker 4: who again they don't have a stable home base or
Speaker 4: they don't have stable life where they're looking for a
Speaker 4: second chance.
Speaker 3: And sometimes with those life stories, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: tragedy involved.
Speaker 4: And because you know, sometimes bad things happen there, it
Speaker 4: wasn't always we don't know how much was reported, you know,
Speaker 4: so even when you're going through the historical documents, it's
Speaker 4: really only like a glimpse of what life was like
Speaker 4: at the hotel at that point. And when I was
Speaker 4: going through the historical documents, you know, there was a
Speaker 4: lot of things like drug abuse and overdoses there was
Speaker 4: a man who No, yes, there was a man who
Speaker 4: was shot there and I believe he was killed and
Speaker 4: it was it was a lover's quarrel. So you know,
Speaker 4: you have things like that happened. There was a fire there,
Speaker 4: but nobody, from what we could tell, nobody died from
Speaker 4: that fire.
Speaker 1: But there's an interesting point, like I have a lot
Speaker 1: of friends that are maybe twenty thirty years older than me,
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, tell me about the eighties. Was
Speaker 1: it all like, yeah, it was, but it was also
Speaker 1: like real life and like we had like other things
Speaker 1: going on. It wasn't just like everyone was just like
Speaker 1: partying at you know and listening to pop.
Speaker 2: Music like there was.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you there's so much that could
Speaker 1: happen that you don't even know about, you know, just
Speaker 1: like everyday things that could leave a ghost in print
Speaker 1: of some sort over decades and decades.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's part of the reason that.
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting in the paranormal field because there's
Speaker 4: been such a boom of investigators. There's been a lot
Speaker 4: of positives to that, but there's also negatives, right, So
Speaker 4: the positive what I like to look at is we're
Speaker 4: trying to preserve these stories, because these aren't things that
Speaker 4: get reported.
Speaker 3: You know, very rarely.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can go through old newspaper articles and
Speaker 4: you will find people talking about ghosts and you will
Speaker 4: find the ghost story. But these are such you know,
Speaker 4: these are oral stories that are passed down through families,
Speaker 4: and so if we don't document, they're kind of lost forever.
Speaker 4: And so, something I think is really important about and
Speaker 4: positive about the television shows in particular, or even the
Speaker 4: YouTube series that people make or podcasts, is that you're
Speaker 4: able to document people's experiences in some way, even if
Speaker 4: they're not true supernatural experiences. Meaning we someday find out
Speaker 4: that there's an explanation for them, we're still able to
Speaker 4: document the experience someone had, and I think that's pretty important.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do remember hearing you say in that specific episode
Speaker 1: something along the lines of that, you know, these kinds
Speaker 1: of places that have all these paranormal experiences, it's people
Speaker 1: automatically will just assign these tragic events to those which, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's very much a thing of like this
Speaker 1: folklore of like, well there was this murder, so I
Speaker 1: guess that's who this is, but it might not always.
Speaker 4: Be, Yeah, and there was actually I think it got
Speaker 4: left out of the episode, but the flag Staff episode,
Speaker 4: the monte Vista, there is a ghost there that they
Speaker 4: call the Meatman, and.
Speaker 3: Which I guess could be taken a lot of different ways.
Speaker 3: But he was a butcher, so.
Speaker 4: And they because they had activity in this one room
Speaker 4: at the hotel, and they always attribute it to him
Speaker 4: because they heard he had died in that hotel room.
Speaker 4: And we did a lot of digging and we actually
Speaker 4: were able to find out who the meat Man was
Speaker 4: and his story got completed with other bits of history.
Speaker 4: So he was a butcher. He did kind of have
Speaker 4: an unruly personality from what we could find. We actually
Speaker 4: found somebody who knew him. This guy was like in
Speaker 4: a retirement home in his like mid nineties, but he
Speaker 4: knew him, and he did live at the hotel for
Speaker 4: a period of time. But after words he got married
Speaker 4: and lived out the rest of his life nearby and died.
Speaker 4: He had he went into cardiac or rest at his
Speaker 4: house and then died at the hospital.
Speaker 3: So we were able to.
Speaker 4: Kind of put pieces of that rumor to rest, you know.
Speaker 4: But it's I always think that's such a great example
Speaker 4: of how you know, there. There was truth to that story,
Speaker 4: it just wasn't the the puzzle that they had put
Speaker 4: together right.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: But what about sometimes you hear these stories like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the one that's always so popular around these parts where
Speaker 1: I live is like Marilyn Monroe is always seen at
Speaker 1: this pool, but like we know she didn't die like
Speaker 1: at that hotel, So like is that a thing of like, oh,
Speaker 1: they just loved their time at a place and so
Speaker 1: they go back to that in the spirit world.
Speaker 2: Have you found that to be true?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think that goes back to But we
Speaker 4: have to ask the question of what causes these experiences
Speaker 4: to begin with? Is it actually some consciousness of Marilyn
Speaker 4: Monroe that's showing herself in all these various places, or
Speaker 4: is there something that gets left behind of us that
Speaker 4: isn't conscious. It's just sort of like almost like a
Speaker 4: hologram and we're experiencing it in our life. Or is
Speaker 4: it that certain people have something different about that, like
Speaker 4: that success we were talking about, is their dial tuned
Speaker 4: up just a little bit more than the average person
Speaker 4: where they have the ability to kind of tap into
Speaker 4: this supernatural information highway almost like an Internet, but like
Speaker 4: one that we don't really have access to all the time,
Speaker 4: but that it.
Speaker 3: Preserves pieces of the past is that part of it.
Speaker 4: So I always think it's a thing of like, I'm
Speaker 4: not really willing to rule out any possibility until we
Speaker 4: know what causes these experiences to begin with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there could be a thing where
Speaker 1: it's sort of like, okay, say you just like sneeze
Speaker 1: and you don't cover your mouth like pre COVID sneeze,
Speaker 1: you do like a full on and your germs are
Speaker 1: now all over a room, and then you leave and
Speaker 1: you never go back to that room. But like maybe
Speaker 1: like your germs would still be there for who knows
Speaker 1: how long, Like maybe it can happen.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, yeah, No, I think there's so many possibilities that,
Speaker 4: you know. I think Marilyn is a great example because
Speaker 4: she's been spotted everywhere, you know, from LA to New York.
Speaker 2: You know, so by coastal honey, Yeah she is.
Speaker 4: And uh but it's such a great example because so
Speaker 4: many people claim to have seen her in various places.
Speaker 3: But again, it's a thing of well, what is the
Speaker 3: ghost to begin with? We don't really know, No.
Speaker 1: I want to know, I know, come on, get down
Speaker 1: to the bottom of this, Patrina, we're doing.
Speaker 4: This, I know well, And that's the crazy thing is
Speaker 4: is that you know, I've been doing this full time
Speaker 4: for fifteen years, and I'll tell you I have more
Speaker 4: questions than answers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Well that's but that's what I'm going back to. Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's like handprints in the wood, like I've heard about that.
Speaker 1: Like oh, there's a stain on the floor and you
Speaker 1: can't like you wash it away and it always comes back,
Speaker 1: and that's where the body was found or whatever?
Speaker 2: Like what is that? What is going on there?
Speaker 3: Right right?
Speaker 1: Tell many of my questions. This is how I interview you.
Speaker 1: I say something crazy and then I say, what is that?
Speaker 1: Tell me explain it to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that stuff is I remember when I was
Speaker 4: a kid, I used to get all the you know,
Speaker 4: the supernatural haunting books during the book fair thing.
Speaker 3: And Elastic Scholastic, Yes, the Scholastic book fairs. I love those, and.
Speaker 4: I remember there was a story in one of them
Speaker 4: about what was it Some guy was accused of a
Speaker 4: murder or something and they were gonna kill them and
Speaker 4: he was like, if I'm innocent, grass won't grow on
Speaker 4: my grave and like Grass never grew on his grave.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't know if there's any truth
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 4: I can't remember what the story was or who was about.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you always hear things about that stuff. Jimp
Speaker 4: Thwart Jail is a great example. They have a handprint
Speaker 4: on the wall that they claim never goes away.
Speaker 1: Oh interest, Okay, Wait, another one I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you about is Captain Grant's in. Yeah, this one was
Speaker 1: really interesting to me. Now, this is like this bed
Speaker 1: and breakfast and this woman lives there and she says
Speaker 1: that at one point she got possessed by some man
Speaker 1: ghost and then she did her own like amateur exorcism
Speaker 1: and it went away, but then it like came back,
Speaker 1: which that gives up give me me a lot of
Speaker 1: quot like, okay, is there like an expiration date on
Speaker 1: how long a exorcism works for? Or is there like
Speaker 1: a statue of limitations on possessions? Why does it come back?
Speaker 1: Did you have to do whatever? But then she goes
Speaker 1: on to say there's three hundred ghosts there, which that's
Speaker 1: a lot, And then you guys kind of brought into question.
Speaker 1: You know, the episode goes through a whole arc and
Speaker 1: it's a really interesting storyline of this episode.
Speaker 2: Again, this is reality.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like unscripted TV, but like there
Speaker 1: is like a storyline to it as you guys investigate more,
Speaker 1: because at one at the beginning, your guys are kind
Speaker 1: of like, is this.
Speaker 2: A credible source? Like what's going on with her?
Speaker 1: And I'm curious like what that was, Like what red
Speaker 1: flags or what made you think that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Carol and her husband, they're amazing and I
Speaker 4: would recommend anybody to go and stay there, just very
Speaker 4: kind people. Where was Connecticut And the house is amazing
Speaker 4: and the town is amazing. But what was giving us
Speaker 4: red flags at first was again the claims of there's
Speaker 4: three hundred spirits here.
Speaker 3: Right, because that's that's like you said it, that's a lot.
Speaker 2: That's a lot, Like what do you like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it you know, when you hear in my career,
Speaker 4: my experience, when you hear really big claims like that,
Speaker 4: it's somebody either lying or.
Speaker 3: Something is really going on. You know, there's really no
Speaker 3: middle ground.
Speaker 2: Like so.
Speaker 4: We were like, I don't know, because the stories too,
Speaker 4: we were hearing about the spirits, it was nothing really crazy,
Speaker 4: nothing bad necessarily, but we were.
Speaker 3: Wondering how honest you.
Speaker 4: Know, they were being about their experiences at that point,
Speaker 4: and so we had to explore that. And what was
Speaker 4: interesting is the more people we met, the more they
Speaker 4: were backing up her claims. So there wasn't a whole
Speaker 4: lot of, uh, you know people. We didn't meet anybody
Speaker 4: who was like, oh, she's crazy, or oh she's making
Speaker 4: it up, or like all these people are like no,
Speaker 4: I had experiences too, And actually one of our producers
Speaker 4: at the time, she had stayed there when she was
Speaker 4: a little kid, and she remembers back then the ghost
Speaker 4: stories and how they really hadn't changed in like, you know,
Speaker 4: twenty some years.
Speaker 3: So you know, we took all that into account, and
Speaker 3: then it.
Speaker 4: Became a thing of well, maybe it's not that there's
Speaker 4: three hundred ghosts there or energies there. Maybe it's that
Speaker 4: Carol is more sensitive than the average person. So to her,
Speaker 4: it seems like there's a lot of different things because
Speaker 4: maybe Homegirls channeling, you know, like you know, she could
Speaker 4: be the radio tower and all these all these things
Speaker 4: are coming to her. So from her standpoint, then that
Speaker 4: would make sense that there's all these different things.
Speaker 3: So then we put her to the test.
Speaker 4: And what's interesting about Carol is she is I don't know,
Speaker 4: like what, any kind of diagnosis or whatever, but she
Speaker 4: she had disclosed to us that she was, you know,
Speaker 4: I guess hard of hearing to begin with anyway.
Speaker 3: So when we put her the blindfold on her.
Speaker 4: And the noise canceling headphones, I mean I was like
Speaker 4: walking right in front of her, she never flinched.
Speaker 3: She had no idea was even there, you know.
Speaker 4: So if there was any sort of speculation of could
Speaker 4: she hear the questions I was asking, I don't think
Speaker 4: so at all, because I was asking quietly, I was
Speaker 4: normally very far away from her. And then again when
Speaker 4: I was even walking by her, like normally somebody you
Speaker 4: can like if you feel somebody near you right, you
Speaker 4: kind of shift or you're aware of their presence, she
Speaker 4: was like totally in another zone.
Speaker 3: She was in another space.
Speaker 1: If you were asking her questions, and then she was
Speaker 1: like responding to them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: I just told And what's interesting we just told her
Speaker 4: whatever imagery you get, whatever you hear in your head,
Speaker 4: just say it out loud. And what was fascinating about
Speaker 4: it is she would like answer on cue, and I
Speaker 4: would say, I mean, not everything she said matched up,
Speaker 4: but the majority of it did.
Speaker 2: And that's what makes really incredible. Yeah, that was.
Speaker 3: Really really weird.
Speaker 4: We didn't know at all what we would get from this.
Speaker 4: We I mean, you know, you just try things and
Speaker 4: you see what works what doesn't work. But from that,
Speaker 4: I would say that Carol definitely has something special going
Speaker 4: on with her where maybe she's just a little more,
Speaker 4: a little more tuned in than the average person.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of these places that we've talked about, what which
Speaker 1: one's the most haunted?
Speaker 2: What would you say?
Speaker 1: You know, the stupid question, but like what was what
Speaker 1: which one had the most activity for you?
Speaker 4: Well, I guess I would say overall, I would probably
Speaker 4: give it to Penhurst, just because it's so it's pretty,
Speaker 4: it's pretty consistent for the most part, Penhurst, and you
Speaker 4: have so many people with experiences there, So I'd say Penhurst.
Speaker 4: But as far as the history goes, like the most
Speaker 4: haunted just because awful things happen.
Speaker 3: McCormick Farm one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that place is.
Speaker 4: Just a oh my gosh, and nothing can Jack and
Speaker 4: I talked about this all the time. Nothing can prepare
Speaker 4: you to be in a space like that because we
Speaker 4: were you know, we would have our downtime and it's
Speaker 4: three thousand acres of flat land, and he and I
Speaker 4: were talking about we'd have these moments between us where
Speaker 4: we're like, if you were targeted by the mccormicks, if
Speaker 4: they wanted to kill you, there was there was nothing.
Speaker 2: You can't run anywhere for you.
Speaker 4: They know the property better than you do. They know
Speaker 4: all the buildings. Nobody would hear you. You could run,
Speaker 4: but where would where are you running to?
Speaker 2: Ah?
Speaker 4: You know, like it's it was. I had never felt
Speaker 4: like putting yourself in those shoes. I have never felt
Speaker 4: that amount of hopelessness of my life.
Speaker 2: God, that is really scary. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I drove across the country this pandemic and that I
Speaker 1: went through so many fields and stuff like that where
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no one would hear me scream yeah,
Speaker 1: or no one would see the aliens that would come
Speaker 1: down and get me. Yeah, especially last year, I'm like,
Speaker 1: just take me. We don't have to tell anyone. Let's
Speaker 1: just go. Can I play you some ghost voices? Yes, Okay, it's.
Speaker 2: Time for EVP or EV please this one.
Speaker 1: This first one is from full Moon Paranormal, VA. And
Speaker 1: it's at the Lake Shawnee Haunted Amusement Park, which you
Speaker 1: guys did an episode of, which is in Princeton, West Virginia.
Speaker 1: And tell me what this ghost is saying. Now, this
Speaker 1: one has a little bit of background noise and it's
Speaker 1: kind of quiet. But let's see if it works. Oh, here, crickets.
Speaker 1: It makes me just like want a nice summer night.
Speaker 1: I can't make pay again.
Speaker 4: Okay, Oh, I can't make that out because I hear.
Speaker 2: The crickets, I know, But do you hear what they're
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 4: I think it's like you hear like a noise and
Speaker 4: then something right after that and then crickets.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It's wait, let me cue it up a little bit
Speaker 1: because there is a little bit of cricketness before.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is right where the voice is.
Speaker 3: Oh that that thing right in the beginning is the voice.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like a sentence. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: like it's like talking. This is a hard one. Let
Speaker 1: me try it again one more time.
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, got you. Yeah, I hear what they're talking.
Speaker 4: I can't make that out. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I'll give you some options and then we'll last to
Speaker 1: it again. It's one of these. Is it A who
Speaker 1: you call him?
Speaker 2: Mama? Is it B? Have you seen my brother? Is
Speaker 2: it C? How do I get out of here? Or D?
Speaker 2: Don't you wish your girlfriend was a freak like me? Okay,
Speaker 2: let me hear it again.
Speaker 3: I think I would go with B.
Speaker 2: Have you seen my brother? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean that is what they say, and I actually
Speaker 1: kind of can't. This is definitely like a headphone's kind
Speaker 1: of a EVP.
Speaker 2: But let's put again. This is have you seen my brother?
Speaker 2: Have you seen my brother?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'll give it to him. Okay, here's another one. This
Speaker 1: is from ghost hunting source on YouTube and it is
Speaker 1: at a private business in Springfield, Ohio.
Speaker 2: What is this one saying? Again? A little background noise
Speaker 2: but creepy voice, right, hm.
Speaker 3: Hm an I guess one more time? Mm no, man,
Speaker 3: I need the multiple choice?
Speaker 2: Okay, is it a murder? Is that B? Let's take
Speaker 2: a selfie? Is it C? I can't help it? Or D?
Speaker 2: Being a ghost is exhausting. Here we go.
Speaker 3: What was choice C? Again?
Speaker 2: I can't help it?
Speaker 3: And play it one more time.
Speaker 1: I would say a murder.
Speaker 2: That's what they said. Oh my god, two for two.
Speaker 2: It's like you're a pro murder. Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Okay, one more thing. Let me just let's off a
Speaker 1: bunch of unexplained phenomenas and see if anything comes up
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, Okay, what are your thoughts? I don't
Speaker 1: know if I've asked you this before. I don't think
Speaker 1: I have. Okay, what are your thoughts on something like trolls?
Speaker 1: Like trolls or goblins or that kind of paranormal thing.
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, I hope they are real.
Speaker 4: I think that'd be so fun. But I would have
Speaker 4: to put them more in like probably like the possibility
Speaker 4: maybe not there, but I would love for them to
Speaker 4: be real, do you.
Speaker 2: Okay? What about past lives?
Speaker 3: I think there's something to that now.
Speaker 4: And actually the University of Virginia has a whole department
Speaker 4: that's like dedicated to this. They have like over twenty
Speaker 4: five hundred cases of like children that they've looked into,
Speaker 4: and I have met I actually there was a child
Speaker 4: I worked with years ago who had past life memories.
Speaker 3: And they had them, I mean since they could talk.
Speaker 2: They were like.
Speaker 4: Three, And I've worked with other people who have worked
Speaker 4: with them, So I do think there's something to that.
Speaker 4: But again, is it a thing of like it's actually
Speaker 4: a past consciousness coming into a present day body and
Speaker 4: it's the same and then that consciousness becomes your own
Speaker 4: or is it something where these kids are just really
Speaker 4: really tuned into the information that's kind of been left
Speaker 4: behind and they're able to tap into it and they
Speaker 4: think that's part of who they are. You know, it's
Speaker 4: hard to say, but the people that I know who
Speaker 4: have had these experiences or have worked with these people
Speaker 4: hands on, it really does seem like there's something to it.
Speaker 1: I know, especially those like children that you hear where
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, they were a like, you know, a
Speaker 1: pilot in nineteen forty and they like have like and
Speaker 1: that you find that there's like actually someone that they're
Speaker 1: actually talking about that's real.
Speaker 2: It's like, how did that happen?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That stuff trips me out. Yeah what about Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 4: I go back and forth, but I've met a lot
Speaker 4: of credible people who believe that they had had an
Speaker 4: experience with it. One of them is actually my ex's dad.
Speaker 4: He was living I can't remember he was in Pennsylvania
Speaker 4: or where he was born at the time, but he
Speaker 4: claims when he was a kid he saw it, and he's.
Speaker 3: A really credible person.
Speaker 4: He's like a really like straight shooter kind of person,
Speaker 4: and like he was a kid, so you could maybe
Speaker 4: put some doubt and is it a child imagination, a
Speaker 4: child not understanding what they're seeing. Maybe, But with that
Speaker 4: being said, even just doing this work, I've met a
Speaker 4: lot of people who claim to have had some sort
Speaker 4: of experience with something like that. But then you have
Speaker 4: something like I don't know if you've seen Sasquatch on
Speaker 4: Hulio have you seen that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, I did that series that came out not
Speaker 2: that long ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so then and I don't want to spoil it
Speaker 4: for anybody who hasn't, But it doesn't turn out to
Speaker 4: be what.
Speaker 3: You think it is, So you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think you have to take that kind of stuff
Speaker 3: very cautiously.
Speaker 1: Well, And it's also tough because I feel like it's
Speaker 1: human nature to be like, no, I know what I saw,
Speaker 1: and then years go by of telling that story, and
Speaker 1: then it's like.
Speaker 2: It's hard to accept that it could not be.
Speaker 4: That absolutely, and we also humans, just by nature, we
Speaker 4: need to have an answer for things that we experience. Right,
Speaker 4: So we know from a historical context anthropological context that
Speaker 4: if we don't understand something, we put a supernatural spin
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 2: Hm hmmm, I do. Yeah, Like that was a dmon.
Speaker 1: Okay, a couple. Here's a couple more unexplained phenomenas. What
Speaker 1: about haunted dolls? Yeah, I you knew Annabelle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have met annabel I would there's I mean,
Speaker 4: if things can hold energy, then I would say there's
Speaker 4: a possibility for that.
Speaker 1: What about all these people on eBay that sell them,
Speaker 1: because you know that's like an obsession of mine is
Speaker 1: allegedly haunted dolls on eBay? Yeah, do you think that
Speaker 1: those are real?
Speaker 4: I think I've met people who have had weird experiences
Speaker 4: with dolls, and I I don't have any reason not
Speaker 4: to believe those experiences. With that being said, though, I
Speaker 4: think because it has become such a commodity, there's bound
Speaker 4: to be people who just make it up sell things.
Speaker 2: Oh totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I am a firm believer that the ones
Speaker 1: that eBay, most of them are not real. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: some of these like they make up these backstories and
Speaker 1: they it's like you find out that they sell like
Speaker 1: thousands of these. You know, it's like, really you have
Speaker 1: that many haunted dollars? Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, I'm so sure. Okay,
Speaker 1: last one unexplained phenomena. What happened to Coco from the
Speaker 1: pilot of Golden Girls.
Speaker 3: Coco.
Speaker 4: I think Coco, you know what, Coco probably went on
Speaker 4: to go open up his own restaurant.
Speaker 1: For anyone that doesn't know the pilot of Golden Girls,
Speaker 1: would you say that's your favorite TV show?
Speaker 3: It is, yes, hands down.
Speaker 2: In the pilot first episode, the Golden Girls have a
Speaker 2: gay man that's a like cook that lives in the
Speaker 2: house with them, and then once like the show got
Speaker 2: picked up in like the second episode, he's just gone
Speaker 2: and we never hear about him again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, never mentioned him.
Speaker 4: What I go go. I think he opened up his
Speaker 4: own restaurant and it was like one of the first
Speaker 4: LGBTQA friendly places in Miami, Like you know, he just
Speaker 4: like it was just that love environment of everyone's welcome,
Speaker 4: and I think he became a really successful chef.
Speaker 2: You know, when that Disney movie Coco came out, I
Speaker 2: was like, finally we're gonna get the answers.
Speaker 1: I love that movie and it's not about that. I guess, Katrina,
Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, thank you. We covered a lot of
Speaker 1: ground here. I love this tradition of having you here.
Speaker 1: I guess once a year. You yeah, again are the
Speaker 1: first three Peat guests. I'm so happy you did this.
Speaker 2: Can you just you know, tell people where to find
Speaker 2: you and what's going on and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you can follow me on social Instagram, Facebook,
Speaker 4: and Twitter. It's at Katrina Widman and that is spelled
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Speaker 4: so you can catch up with that on those adventures. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: but thank you so much for having me again. I
Speaker 4: am very honored to be your first three pet Ah.
Speaker 2: Thanks for doing it well.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Katrina Widman. Please go check
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