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Speaker 2: Hey boo, it's me Roz. How are you me? I am.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can tell from the sound

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Speaker 1: I got a cold. I did a COVID rapid test.

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Speaker 1: I apologize that my voice sounds like this. And I'm

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Speaker 2: At least when you listen to this show. So I apologize.

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Speaker 1: But before I conclude my two part conversation with Katrina

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Speaker 1: Widman of the TV show Portals to Hell, I thought

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Speaker 1: I would take a look at some of the ghost

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Speaker 1: stories I've been sent lately. This first one comes from

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Speaker 1: a five star review on Apple podcast A Great Place to.

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Speaker 2: Leave a Ghost Story.

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Speaker 1: It comes from King GHF ten and they write, I

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Speaker 1: have a quick story. A few years ago. I was

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Speaker 1: I remember admiring the farmhouse as we came up to it.

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Speaker 1: Then something in the road caught my eye. Standing directly

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Speaker 1: In a split second, I realized that that was definitely

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Speaker 1: wrote the word bony. I'm gonna say bony finger, A

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Speaker 1: bony finger at us, I screamed. I was fully convinced

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Speaker 2: It was gone, and.

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Speaker 1: Clearly I was the only one who saw it. My

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Speaker 1: I was so confused and frankly scared. I asked her

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Speaker 1: and nothing. I never saw it again, but I always

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Speaker 1: feel dread when I drive past that farm. Oh God,

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Speaker 2: That is a spooky one. Thank you for sending it. Now.

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Speaker 2: Here's another one that I found a little terrifying.

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Speaker 1: This was posted by Jennifer in the Facebook group ghosted

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Speaker 1: by ros Dress Flees. Jennifer writes, I have a ton

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Speaker 1: I mean, the lore around black eyed children is usually

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Speaker 1: I have got another episode on my Patreon this of

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Speaker 1: my little podcast I've been doing with my best friend Sam.

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Speaker 2: This week.

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Speaker 1: We are talking about malls, you know, shopping malls, So

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Speaker 1: you can find that on my second tier of Patreon

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Speaker 1: we get into this conversation with miss Katrina Widman. Now

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Speaker 1: we are going to be referencing again her TV show

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Speaker 1: This family is doing a seance and they're like they

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Speaker 1: It's spooky. Anyway, here's my conversation with Katrina Weidman. Hope

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Speaker 2: Well, another place.

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Speaker 1: You guys went to was what was that hotel where

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that was some Flagstaff, Yes.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's so hard for me when people are like,

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Speaker 4: Can't see, right, So in a in a video or

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Speaker 4: And it's funny like, even though I work in paring

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Speaker 4: With that guy, we met him, he was very very nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were just talking about on this show that

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Speaker 1: But you know, another thing about that hotel is that

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Speaker 3: And sometimes with those life stories, there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: But it's I always think that's such a great example

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Speaker 1: But what about sometimes you hear these stories like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, yeah, No, I think there's so many possibilities that,

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Speaker 3: But again, it's a thing of well, what is the

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Speaker 4: This, I know well, And that's the crazy thing is

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Speaker 1: Tell many of my questions. This is how I interview you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that stuff is I remember when I was

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Speaker 4: murder or something and they were gonna kill them and

441
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 4: he was like, if I'm innocent, grass won't grow on

442
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 4: my grave and like Grass never grew on his grave.

443
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't know if there's any truth

444
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 3: to that.

445
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 4: I can't remember what the story was or who was about.

446
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, you always hear things about that stuff. Jimp

447
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 4: Thwart Jail is a great example. They have a handprint

448
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 4: on the wall that they claim never goes away.

449
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: Oh interest, Okay, Wait, another one I wanted to ask

450
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: you about is Captain Grant's in. Yeah, this one was

451
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: really interesting to me. Now, this is like this bed

452
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: and breakfast and this woman lives there and she says

453
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: that at one point she got possessed by some man

454
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: ghost and then she did her own like amateur exorcism

455
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: and it went away, but then it like came back,

456
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: which that gives up give me me a lot of

457
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: quot like, okay, is there like an expiration date on

458
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: how long a exorcism works for? Or is there like

459
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: a statue of limitations on possessions? Why does it come back?

460
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: Did you have to do whatever? But then she goes

461
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: on to say there's three hundred ghosts there, which that's

462
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: a lot, And then you guys kind of brought into question.

463
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: You know, the episode goes through a whole arc and

464
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: it's a really interesting storyline of this episode.

465
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: Again, this is reality.

466
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like unscripted TV, but like there

467
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: is like a storyline to it as you guys investigate more,

468
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: because at one at the beginning, your guys are kind

469
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: of like, is this.

470
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: A credible source? Like what's going on with her?

471
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: And I'm curious like what that was, Like what red

472
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: flags or what made you think that?

473
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Carol and her husband, they're amazing and I

474
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 4: would recommend anybody to go and stay there, just very

475
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: kind people. Where was Connecticut And the house is amazing

476
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 4: and the town is amazing. But what was giving us

477
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 4: red flags at first was again the claims of there's

478
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: three hundred spirits here.

479
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: Right, because that's that's like you said it, that's a lot.

480
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: That's a lot, Like what do you like?

481
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it you know, when you hear in my career,

482
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 4: my experience, when you hear really big claims like that,

483
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 4: it's somebody either lying or.

484
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 3: Something is really going on. You know, there's really no

485
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: middle ground.

486
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: Like so.

487
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 4: We were like, I don't know, because the stories too,

488
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 4: we were hearing about the spirits, it was nothing really crazy,

489
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: nothing bad necessarily, but we were.

490
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 3: Wondering how honest you.

491
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 4: Know, they were being about their experiences at that point,

492
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 4: and so we had to explore that. And what was

493
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 4: interesting is the more people we met, the more they

494
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 4: were backing up her claims. So there wasn't a whole

495
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 4: lot of, uh, you know people. We didn't meet anybody

496
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 4: who was like, oh, she's crazy, or oh she's making

497
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 4: it up, or like all these people are like no,

498
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 4: I had experiences too, And actually one of our producers

499
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 4: at the time, she had stayed there when she was

500
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 4: a little kid, and she remembers back then the ghost

501
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 4: stories and how they really hadn't changed in like, you know,

502
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 4: twenty some years.

503
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: So you know, we took all that into account, and

504
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: then it.

505
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 4: Became a thing of well, maybe it's not that there's

506
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: three hundred ghosts there or energies there. Maybe it's that

507
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 4: Carol is more sensitive than the average person. So to her,

508
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 4: it seems like there's a lot of different things because

509
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 4: maybe Homegirls channeling, you know, like you know, she could

510
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 4: be the radio tower and all these all these things

511
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 4: are coming to her. So from her standpoint, then that

512
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 4: would make sense that there's all these different things.

513
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: So then we put her to the test.

514
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 4: And what's interesting about Carol is she is I don't know,

515
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 4: like what, any kind of diagnosis or whatever, but she

516
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: she had disclosed to us that she was, you know,

517
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 4: I guess hard of hearing to begin with anyway.

518
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: So when we put her the blindfold on her.

519
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 4: And the noise canceling headphones, I mean I was like

520
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 4: walking right in front of her, she never flinched.

521
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: She had no idea was even there, you know.

522
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: So if there was any sort of speculation of could

523
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 4: she hear the questions I was asking, I don't think

524
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: so at all, because I was asking quietly, I was

525
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 4: normally very far away from her. And then again when

526
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 4: I was even walking by her, like normally somebody you

527
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 4: can like if you feel somebody near you right, you

528
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 4: kind of shift or you're aware of their presence, she

529
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 4: was like totally in another zone.

530
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: She was in another space.

531
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: If you were asking her questions, and then she was

532
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: like responding to them.

533
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.

534
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: I just told And what's interesting we just told her

535
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: whatever imagery you get, whatever you hear in your head,

536
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: just say it out loud. And what was fascinating about

537
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 4: it is she would like answer on cue, and I

538
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 4: would say, I mean, not everything she said matched up,

539
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 4: but the majority of it did.

540
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: And that's what makes really incredible. Yeah, that was.

541
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: Really really weird.

542
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 4: We didn't know at all what we would get from this.

543
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 4: We I mean, you know, you just try things and

544
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 4: you see what works what doesn't work. But from that,

545
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 4: I would say that Carol definitely has something special going

546
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 4: on with her where maybe she's just a little more,

547
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 4: a little more tuned in than the average person.

548
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that episode.

549
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, of these places that we've talked about, what which

550
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: one's the most haunted?

551
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: What would you say?

552
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: You know, the stupid question, but like what was what

553
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: which one had the most activity for you?

554
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 4: Well, I guess I would say overall, I would probably

555
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 4: give it to Penhurst, just because it's so it's pretty,

556
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: it's pretty consistent for the most part, Penhurst, and you

557
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 4: have so many people with experiences there, So I'd say Penhurst.

558
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 4: But as far as the history goes, like the most

559
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: haunted just because awful things happen.

560
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: McCormick Farm one.

561
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that place is.

562
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: Just a oh my gosh, and nothing can Jack and

563
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: I talked about this all the time. Nothing can prepare

564
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 4: you to be in a space like that because we

565
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 4: were you know, we would have our downtime and it's

566
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 4: three thousand acres of flat land, and he and I

567
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 4: were talking about we'd have these moments between us where

568
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 4: we're like, if you were targeted by the mccormicks, if

569
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: they wanted to kill you, there was there was nothing.

570
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: You can't run anywhere for you.

571
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 4: They know the property better than you do. They know

572
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: all the buildings. Nobody would hear you. You could run,

573
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: but where would where are you running to?

574
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: Ah?

575
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: You know, like it's it was. I had never felt

576
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 4: like putting yourself in those shoes. I have never felt

577
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 4: that amount of hopelessness of my life.

578
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: God, that is really scary. Yeah.

579
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: I drove across the country this pandemic and that I

580
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: went through so many fields and stuff like that where

581
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no one would hear me scream yeah,

582
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: or no one would see the aliens that would come

583
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: down and get me. Yeah, especially last year, I'm like,

584
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: just take me. We don't have to tell anyone. Let's

585
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: just go. Can I play you some ghost voices? Yes, Okay, it's.

586
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: Time for EVP or EV please this one.

587
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: This first one is from full Moon Paranormal, VA. And

588
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: it's at the Lake Shawnee Haunted Amusement Park, which you

589
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: guys did an episode of, which is in Princeton, West Virginia.

590
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: And tell me what this ghost is saying. Now, this

591
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: one has a little bit of background noise and it's

592
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: kind of quiet. But let's see if it works. Oh, here, crickets.

593
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: It makes me just like want a nice summer night.

594
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: I can't make pay again.

595
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 4: Okay, Oh, I can't make that out because I hear.

596
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: The crickets, I know, But do you hear what they're

597
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: talking about?

598
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 4: I think it's like you hear like a noise and

599
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 4: then something right after that and then crickets.

600
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 3: Right.

601
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: It's wait, let me cue it up a little bit

602
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: because there is a little bit of cricketness before.

603
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: Okay, this is right where the voice is.

604
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: Oh that that thing right in the beginning is the voice.

605
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like a sentence. It's like, oh,

606
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: like it's like talking. This is a hard one. Let

607
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: me try it again one more time.

608
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, got you. Yeah, I hear what they're talking.

609
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 4: I can't make that out. Oh my gosh.

610
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: I'll give you some options and then we'll last to

611
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: it again. It's one of these. Is it A who

612
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: you call him?

613
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: Mama? Is it B? Have you seen my brother? Is

614
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: it C? How do I get out of here? Or D?

615
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: Don't you wish your girlfriend was a freak like me? Okay,

616
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: let me hear it again.

617
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: I think I would go with B.

618
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: Have you seen my brother? Yeah?

619
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean that is what they say, and I actually

620
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: kind of can't. This is definitely like a headphone's kind

621
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: of a EVP.

622
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: But let's put again. This is have you seen my brother?

623
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 2: Have you seen my brother?

624
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

625
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: I'll give it to him. Okay, here's another one. This

626
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: is from ghost hunting source on YouTube and it is

627
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: at a private business in Springfield, Ohio.

628
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: What is this one saying? Again? A little background noise

629
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 2: but creepy voice, right, hm.

630
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: Hm an I guess one more time? Mm no, man,

631
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: I need the multiple choice?

632
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: Okay, is it a murder? Is that B? Let's take

633
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: a selfie? Is it C? I can't help it? Or D?

634
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: Being a ghost is exhausting. Here we go.

635
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: What was choice C? Again?

636
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 2: I can't help it?

637
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: And play it one more time.

638
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: I would say a murder.

639
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: That's what they said. Oh my god, two for two.

640
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 2: It's like you're a pro murder. Yeah, that's what it is.

641
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

642
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: Okay, one more thing. Let me just let's off a

643
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: bunch of unexplained phenomenas and see if anything comes up

644
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, Okay, what are your thoughts? I don't

645
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: know if I've asked you this before. I don't think

646
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: I have. Okay, what are your thoughts on something like trolls?

647
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: Like trolls or goblins or that kind of paranormal thing.

648
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 4: Oh?

649
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: Man, I hope they are real.

650
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: I think that'd be so fun. But I would have

651
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: to put them more in like probably like the possibility

652
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 4: maybe not there, but I would love for them to

653
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 4: be real, do you.

654
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: Okay? What about past lives?

655
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: I think there's something to that now.

656
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: And actually the University of Virginia has a whole department

657
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 4: that's like dedicated to this. They have like over twenty

658
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 4: five hundred cases of like children that they've looked into,

659
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 4: and I have met I actually there was a child

660
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 4: I worked with years ago who had past life memories.

661
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Speaker 3: And they had them, I mean since they could talk.

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Speaker 2: They were like.

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Speaker 4: Three, And I've worked with other people who have worked

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Speaker 4: with them, So I do think there's something to that.

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Speaker 4: But again, is it a thing of like it's actually

666
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Speaker 4: a past consciousness coming into a present day body and

667
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Speaker 4: it's the same and then that consciousness becomes your own

668
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Speaker 4: or is it something where these kids are just really

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Speaker 4: really tuned into the information that's kind of been left

670
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Speaker 4: behind and they're able to tap into it and they

671
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Speaker 4: think that's part of who they are. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: hard to say, but the people that I know who

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Speaker 4: have had these experiences or have worked with these people

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Speaker 4: hands on, it really does seem like there's something to it.

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Speaker 1: I know, especially those like children that you hear where

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, they were a like, you know, a

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Speaker 1: pilot in nineteen forty and they like have like and

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Speaker 1: that you find that there's like actually someone that they're

679
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Speaker 1: actually talking about that's real.

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Speaker 2: It's like, how did that happen?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That stuff trips me out. Yeah what about Bigfoot?

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 4: I go back and forth, but I've met a lot

685
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Speaker 4: of credible people who believe that they had had an

686
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Speaker 4: experience with it. One of them is actually my ex's dad.

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Speaker 4: He was living I can't remember he was in Pennsylvania

688
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Speaker 4: or where he was born at the time, but he

689
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 4: claims when he was a kid he saw it, and he's.

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Speaker 3: A really credible person.

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Speaker 4: He's like a really like straight shooter kind of person,

692
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: and like he was a kid, so you could maybe

693
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Speaker 4: put some doubt and is it a child imagination, a

694
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Speaker 4: child not understanding what they're seeing. Maybe, But with that

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Speaker 4: being said, even just doing this work, I've met a

696
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Speaker 4: lot of people who claim to have had some sort

697
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Speaker 4: of experience with something like that. But then you have

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Speaker 4: something like I don't know if you've seen Sasquatch on

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Speaker 4: Hulio have you seen that?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, I did that series that came out not

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Speaker 2: that long ago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so then and I don't want to spoil it

703
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Speaker 4: for anybody who hasn't, But it doesn't turn out to

704
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Speaker 4: be what.

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Speaker 3: You think it is, So you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think you have to take that kind of stuff

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Speaker 3: very cautiously.

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Speaker 1: Well, And it's also tough because I feel like it's

709
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Speaker 1: human nature to be like, no, I know what I saw,

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Speaker 1: and then years go by of telling that story, and

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Speaker 1: then it's like.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to accept that it could not be.

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Speaker 4: That absolutely, and we also humans, just by nature, we

714
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: need to have an answer for things that we experience. Right,

715
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Speaker 4: So we know from a historical context anthropological context that

716
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 4: if we don't understand something, we put a supernatural spin

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Speaker 4: on it.

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Speaker 2: Hm hmmm, I do. Yeah, Like that was a dmon.

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Speaker 1: Okay, a couple. Here's a couple more unexplained phenomenas. What

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Speaker 1: about haunted dolls? Yeah, I you knew Annabelle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have met annabel I would there's I mean,

722
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Speaker 4: if things can hold energy, then I would say there's

723
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Speaker 4: a possibility for that.

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Speaker 1: What about all these people on eBay that sell them,

725
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Speaker 1: because you know that's like an obsession of mine is

726
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: allegedly haunted dolls on eBay? Yeah, do you think that

727
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Speaker 1: those are real?

728
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Speaker 4: I think I've met people who have had weird experiences

729
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Speaker 4: with dolls, and I I don't have any reason not

730
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 4: to believe those experiences. With that being said, though, I

731
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Speaker 4: think because it has become such a commodity, there's bound

732
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Speaker 4: to be people who just make it up sell things.

733
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Speaker 2: Oh totally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I am a firm believer that the ones

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Speaker 1: that eBay, most of them are not real. Yeah, just

737
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Speaker 1: some of these like they make up these backstories and

738
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Speaker 1: they it's like you find out that they sell like

739
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Speaker 1: thousands of these. You know, it's like, really you have

740
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: that many haunted dollars? Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, I'm so sure. Okay,

741
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: last one unexplained phenomena. What happened to Coco from the

742
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Speaker 1: pilot of Golden Girls.

743
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Speaker 3: Coco.

744
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 4: I think Coco, you know what, Coco probably went on

745
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 4: to go open up his own restaurant.

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Speaker 1: For anyone that doesn't know the pilot of Golden Girls,

747
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Speaker 1: would you say that's your favorite TV show?

748
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Speaker 3: It is, yes, hands down.

749
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Speaker 2: In the pilot first episode, the Golden Girls have a

750
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Speaker 2: gay man that's a like cook that lives in the

751
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: house with them, and then once like the show got

752
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: picked up in like the second episode, he's just gone

753
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: and we never hear about him again.

754
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, never mentioned him.

755
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Speaker 4: What I go go. I think he opened up his

756
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 4: own restaurant and it was like one of the first

757
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 4: LGBTQA friendly places in Miami, Like you know, he just

758
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 4: like it was just that love environment of everyone's welcome,

759
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 4: and I think he became a really successful chef.

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Speaker 2: You know, when that Disney movie Coco came out, I

761
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: was like, finally we're gonna get the answers.

762
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Speaker 1: I love that movie and it's not about that. I guess, Katrina,

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Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, thank you. We covered a lot of

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Speaker 1: ground here. I love this tradition of having you here.

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Speaker 1: I guess once a year. You yeah, again are the

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Speaker 1: first three Peat guests. I'm so happy you did this.

767
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Speaker 2: Can you just you know, tell people where to find

768
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Speaker 2: you and what's going on and all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you can follow me on social Instagram, Facebook,

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Speaker 4: and Twitter. It's at Katrina Widman and that is spelled

771
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Speaker 4: weid Man and yeah, just gearing up to do something

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Speaker 4: so you can catch up with that on those adventures. Yeah, yeah,

773
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Speaker 4: but thank you so much for having me again. I

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Speaker 4: am very honored to be your first three pet Ah.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for doing it well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Katrina Widman. Please go check

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