Speaker 1: I know I might have shocked everybody when I talked
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump and how he could go a long
Speaker 1: way towards sort of minimizing I certainly never say, we'll
Speaker 1: never say.
Speaker 2: Resolving, but a's at least to some degree.
Speaker 1: Minimizing the kind of things that we witness transpire with
Speaker 1: Robert Brooks courtesy of correction or New York City correctional
Speaker 1: officers who murdered him. I'll touch on that in just
Speaker 1: a second and elaborate on my point, because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to make it make sense for y'all. Right now,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is in the news for another reason, and.
Speaker 2: It's because of his two guys.
Speaker 1: Musk Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami former presidential candidate Vivecka Ramaswami,
Speaker 1: how they're defending foreign work of visas, barking a backlash
Speaker 1: from the MAGA write itself. According to a report reading
Speaker 1: right here from CNN, social media posts by Elon Musk
Speaker 1: and Revec Ramaswami argueing in the favor of expanding the
Speaker 1: visa program for highly skilled workers have set off a
Speaker 1: debate among supporters of President elect Donald Trump over how
Speaker 1: the program should fit into the income and administration's aggressive
Speaker 1: immigration agenda. Musk and Ramaswami, whom Trump has tapped to
Speaker 1: lead his Department of Government Efficiency.
Speaker 2: That's the DOGE.
Speaker 1: Defendive companies who use workers on H one B visas,
Speaker 1: arguing tech companies, including those owned by Musk, of course,
Speaker 1: depend on foreign workers to operate, but the message rankled
Speaker 1: some of Trump's most loyal defenders, who expect his administration
Speaker 1: to crack down on immigration and promote American workers. Trump
Speaker 1: restricted access to foreign work of visas during his first
Speaker 1: term and as targeted the H one B program and
Speaker 1: past remarks, but during the twenty twenty four campaign Trump Signal,
Speaker 1: Trump signaled openness to give him some foreign workers legal
Speaker 1: status if they graduated from a US university. Musk actually
Speaker 1: compared the situation to sports.
Speaker 2: Listen to this quote from Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: If you want your team to win the championship, you
Speaker 1: need to recruit top talent wherever they may be. That
Speaker 1: enables the whole team to win. Musk wrote on X,
Speaker 1: which obviously he owns, I AM referring to bringing in
Speaker 1: via llegal immigration the top zero point one percent of
Speaker 1: engineering talent as being essential for America to keep winning.
Speaker 1: This is what Musk Musk wrote in another post on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Thinking of America as a pro sports team that has
Speaker 1: been winning for a long time and wants to keep
Speaker 1: winning is the right mental construct. Ladies, gentlemen, I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you, I have no problem with that. I have
Speaker 1: no problem with that whatsoever. We don't want open borders
Speaker 1: because we don't want more than twelve and a half
Speaker 1: million people just coming into the country illegally. Fair enough,
Speaker 1: We certainly don't want folks, the very few of them
Speaker 1: who are criminals into the country.
Speaker 2: But we don't want open borders.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean we don't want folks to come
Speaker 1: through the border legally.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that we.
Speaker 1: Don't want our society to continue to be the gorgeous
Speaker 1: mosaic that we've been known to be.
Speaker 2: America is the land of opportunity.
Speaker 1: And if you have people for foreign nations that are
Speaker 1: incredibly bright and add a lot to technology and other
Speaker 1: forms of business in this world, that promotes and provokes
Speaker 1: employment for a bevy of other American citizens and beyond
Speaker 1: in this country, why would we not do that?
Speaker 2: Why would we not do that?
Speaker 1: Especially if you're talking about them being some of the
Speaker 1: top engineers in this world, why would we want to
Speaker 1: keep them out of America. I totally agree with Lelon
Speaker 1: Musk about that. It makes perfect sense. It really really does.
Speaker 1: By the way, the number that he threw out there
Speaker 1: is zero point one percent of the top engineers. That's
Speaker 1: not hurting anybody. If anything, that's helping America. But if
Speaker 1: veck Wamaswami didn't stop, he piggybacked off of what Musk said,
Speaker 1: and he said our American culture because obviously he's a
Speaker 1: first generation US citizen whose parents immigrated from India.
Speaker 2: So let's get that straight.
Speaker 1: Vive Ramaswami says, our American culture has venerated mediocrity over
Speaker 1: excellence for way too long, at least since the nineties
Speaker 1: and likely longer.
Speaker 2: That doesn't start in college, it starts young. He said.
Speaker 2: This is what he said on Thursday.
Speaker 1: A coacher that celebrates the prong queen over the math
Speaker 1: Olympiad champ or the jock over the valed victorian will
Speaker 1: not produce the best engineers. I can't argue with that point.
Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense. That makes perfect sense. Now here's
Speaker 1: where it gets tricky, and this is what we got
Speaker 1: to think about when it comes to Trump, and there
Speaker 1: is simply no way around this.
Speaker 2: It's a great discussion.
Speaker 1: Because the re reality is is that it's something that's
Speaker 1: open for debate. There's reportedly fraud in the H one
Speaker 1: B visa program and it was said to need major reform.
Speaker 2: This is according to the reports, not me.
Speaker 1: But America wants the world's top talent and Trump wants
Speaker 1: to stay number one, right, So how can you be
Speaker 1: number one.
Speaker 2: Without top talent?
Speaker 1: You gotta balance that, you know, you gotta balance that
Speaker 1: message with an America first message. That's a tough thing
Speaker 1: to do. America first versus America first. People already living
Speaker 1: and board here. Which one is it America first instead
Speaker 1: of the in terms of the country, or America first
Speaker 1: instead of the MAGA write.
Speaker 2: Who voted for you? To think about American citizens first.
Speaker 1: The only way for Trump to pull this office to
Speaker 1: make the argument that it's all about America, It's all
Speaker 1: about America and anything that contributes to America being number
Speaker 1: one is something that we should support.
Speaker 2: That to be his argument.
Speaker 1: And it gets very very interesting because now it's a debate,
Speaker 1: and having that debate, here's where the advantage.
Speaker 2: Is, at least in the Trump administration, there appears to
Speaker 2: be a debate allowed what has ailed the Democrats.
Speaker 1: It's not an ideology alone, it's not their feelings alone.
Speaker 1: It's the fact that if you refute it what they said,
Speaker 1: if you are part of that party, cancel culture kicked in.
Speaker 1: If you are not a part of that party. It
Speaker 1: was ostracism, and it was ultimately hate mongering and fear
Speaker 1: mongering that.
Speaker 2: Was thrown into the equation.
Speaker 1: There was no room for debate, and enough voices weren't
Speaker 1: being heard. Diversity amongst those voices not being heard. You're black,
Speaker 1: you're white, you're gay, you're lesbian, you're heterosexual, you're transgender,
Speaker 1: It don't matter. You still have to have one form
Speaker 1: of thinking if you fell under their umbrella, otherwise you
Speaker 1: will put style. If Trump is saying there needs to
Speaker 1: be a healthy debate about America first meaning the country,
Speaker 1: or America first meaning people born in this country, and
Speaker 1: sacrificing the best that may exist out there across the globe,
Speaker 1: and that's a discussion that's worth having. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: that opens the floodgates for an abundance of other things
Speaker 1: that we can discuss. Because when we're talking about America first,
Speaker 1: aren't we talking about America being the greatest country in
Speaker 1: the world. Aren't we talking about that being our wish?
Speaker 1: Are we talking about being in a position where, whether
Speaker 1: it's financially, whether it's educationally, whether it's intellectually, whether it's morally,
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be at the top of the heap.
Speaker 1: Ain't that what we're trying to say? And if that
Speaker 1: is what we are trying to say, where's our behavior
Speaker 1: to replicate or authenticate that level of thinking?
Speaker 2: That's a question. It's important.
Speaker 1: Trump released the statement, seemingly siding with Musk and ramaswamiing well,
Speaker 1: he said, court, I've always liked the visus. I've always
Speaker 1: been in favor of the visas. That's why we have them.
Speaker 1: I have many H one B visas on my properties.
Speaker 1: I've been a believer in H one B. I have
Speaker 1: used it many times. It's a great program. This is
Speaker 1: what Donald Trump is saying. He's making a very very
Speaker 1: valid point when he brings that up. What are H
Speaker 1: one b's. It's employer sponsored work visas. That's what Musk
Speaker 1: and Ramaswami are in support of, and the MAGA right
Speaker 1: is pushing back on because employer sponsored work visas basically
Speaker 1: means immigrants being allowed into the workforce. And you got
Speaker 1: folks on the MAGA right that don't want immigrants. But
Speaker 1: in the end, does that make our country better or worse?
Speaker 1: I say it makes us worse to not have them.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with Elon Muskin Ramaswami this, but most
Speaker 1: importantly I agree with the idea of their being an open,
Speaker 1: robust debate about it, because it is not something that
Speaker 1: the Democrats allowed. The Democrats stop letting people decide. One
Speaker 1: could easily argue their mentality seem to be you must
Speaker 1: obey the party line or y'a out and yass That
Speaker 1: seemed to be what they were saying, censorship, cancer, culture.
Speaker 2: There was no debate.
Speaker 1: That's why they're home and Donald Trump is on his
Speaker 1: way back to the White House.
Speaker 2: And so since we look.
Speaker 1: At it from that standpoint, now we got to ask
Speaker 1: ourselves what does the debate bring. One could easily argue
Speaker 1: it only strength is the party and sharpens the arguments.
Speaker 1: You can make that argument mainstream media, some could say
Speaker 1: they're blowing to you know, they're blowing the disagreement out
Speaker 1: of proportion.
Speaker 2: A bit. I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 1: I just think these kinds of discussions are good the country,
Speaker 1: and I wish I saw more of it on the left.
Speaker 2: New lines and alliances might be drawn. We all know this,
Speaker 2: but no.
Speaker 1: One's getting canceled a de platform for it. This is
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. And with that in mind, why did
Speaker 1: I bring up Trump over the last segment when I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the correction officers murdering Robert Brooks. This issue
Speaker 1: itself has nothing to do with it, but what it's
Speaker 1: fomenting and what it's provoking in terms of a healthy debate,
Speaker 1: is a beautiful, beautiful thing because it means that you're
Speaker 1: open to reason. Well, here, let me transition back to
Speaker 1: the correctional offices murdering and inmate. I wasn't there, and
Speaker 1: nor did I ever see Trump's comments in its completions
Speaker 1: about Charlottesville. I never liked the idea of white supremacist.
Speaker 1: They're very fine people on both sides. Ah, that's not
Speaker 1: what you wanted to hear from your president at that
Speaker 1: particular moment in time, even though his full message might
Speaker 1: not have been articulated and disseminated to the masses appropriately,
Speaker 1: But that's not what you want to hear for the
Speaker 1: president at that particular moment in time. You certainly want
Speaker 1: to support our police officers. I'm not down for defunding
Speaker 1: the police, because I know I'm calling nine to one one.
Speaker 2: I don't believe in that.
Speaker 1: But I am for making sure that the rogue officers
Speaker 1: amongst us suffer severe punishment and they get weeded out.
Speaker 1: So the ninety five plus percent of law abiding police
Speaker 1: officers who live up to their oath.
Speaker 2: To serve and protect, I'm all for them being empowered.
Speaker 1: But what we're gonna do about these correction officers and
Speaker 1: people like them, What we're gonna do about the Derek
Speaker 1: Chauvin's with the George Floyd's of the world and all of.
Speaker 2: That stuff about them.
Speaker 1: Only reason I brought up the comparison between George Floyd
Speaker 1: and now this guy Robert Brooks is because they were
Speaker 1: both handcuffed, Both had their hands behind their back. Derek
Speaker 1: Chauvin had his knee on George floyd neck while several
Speaker 1: correctional officers were beating the living hell out of Robert Brooks.
Speaker 2: Beating him to death.
Speaker 1: Both were tortured, one more visibly conspicuous than the other,
Speaker 1: but both equally dead murdered.
Speaker 2: What'd you gonna do about that?
Speaker 1: Don Trump, You're not responsible for the officer's actions.
Speaker 2: Nobody's implying that. I'm not.
Speaker 1: Casting blame upon you in any way. I'm simply saying
Speaker 1: that when the mandate has been handed down, when you've
Speaker 1: won all the swing states, gained ground on every demographic
Speaker 1: out there, black, Hispanics, young voters, when you've gained ground
Speaker 1: and in roads, when you have this kind of mandate
Speaker 1: handed to you on a silver platter, where nobody cared
Speaker 1: about the ippeachment, so nobody cared about the convictions, and
Speaker 1: they bought everything that you were selling in terms of
Speaker 1: this being politicized and all of this other stuff. And
Speaker 1: now you're going back in the office as the forty
Speaker 1: seventh President of the United States of America, clearly with
Speaker 1: a mandate, but clearly with more power because you got
Speaker 1: the House and the Senate, and you got a damn
Speaker 1: near coat following. That's so profound and so potent and
Speaker 1: so strong that the politicians on your side are scared
Speaker 1: to go against you, which means the vast majority of
Speaker 1: your times.
Speaker 2: They're gonna do. What the hell you say, you're gonna
Speaker 2: take advantage of this moment, Donald Trump. I'd like to see.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump call for those officers to be arrested, those
Speaker 1: correctional officers to be arrested and indighted. I'd like to
Speaker 1: hear Donald Trump say there is no place in our
Speaker 1: society for such heinous acts like that. He doesn't give
Speaker 1: a damn what uniform you're working. His support is applicable
Speaker 1: to law abiding law enforcement officials who live up to
Speaker 1: their oath to protect and serve not to be criminals themselves.
Speaker 1: You can do it in all likelihood which H one
Speaker 1: B program. You can do it in all likelihood when
Speaker 1: it comes to tariffs. You can do it in all
Speaker 1: likelihood when it comes to a plethora of other issues.
Speaker 1: How about this is violence in the streets of America.
Speaker 1: You want to make.
Speaker 2: Sure those people are dealt with fair enough.
Speaker 1: But you don't support a dude being handcuffed and beaten
Speaker 1: to death by correctional facility correction officers on camera.
Speaker 2: There's no way to condone that speak against that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff.
Speaker 1: Let the minorities, the desolate, and the disenfranchised in this country,
Speaker 1: people who are powerless to go up.
Speaker 2: Against the system itself. Let them know.
Speaker 1: That you're the head of the system that's in place now,
Speaker 1: and you're going to do what you can to change
Speaker 1: what has ailed the minority communities in this country from
Speaker 1: stuff like this continuing to happen. You got a chance,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, You got a chance to get even more
Speaker 1: Democrats to shift over to the center and possibly even
Speaker 1: over the you if you make sure that you're of
Speaker 1: that strong arm of the law applies to all corruption,
Speaker 1: not just those who voted against you in old likelihood.
Speaker 2: Just the thought.
Speaker 1: Something to consider as the new year twenty twenty five approaches.
Speaker 1: And you're, as of right now, by twenty three days
Speaker 1: removed from entering the White House again as a president
Speaker 1: of the United States,