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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast puts up popae in Poppie

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Speaker 1: from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I am Dan Hansis I got heroes here, Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 2: Mark Sessler Busy, Busy, Busy Cowboys camp on Monday. Check

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Speaker 2: out that one. The Hard Knocks podcast debuted with episode

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Speaker 2: one recap Tuesday, and shout out to Eric Roberts behind

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Speaker 2: the glass who's been grinding his heine off all week

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Speaker 2: for us and doing elite production work. We did that

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Speaker 2: with Connie and special guest Rich Eisen. Check that out

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Speaker 2: if you haven't yet. And now we have two more

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Speaker 2: new episodes of atn Today and Thursday Football.

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Speaker 1: Mark is back.

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Speaker 3: I want to if there are people out there that

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Speaker 3: maybe aren't Hard Knocks aficionados and watchers and I go

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Speaker 3: hot and cold on that show. I just want to say,

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Speaker 3: listen to this episode that you and Rich and Polling

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Speaker 3: did because I mean, well, we know you're a Jets

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Speaker 3: fan and Riches too, but like you kind of designed

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Speaker 3: in a really wonderful way, why how you became one?

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Speaker 3: What this first episode meant? And yet it wasn't if

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Speaker 3: you aren't a Jets fan.

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Speaker 4: It didn't. It wasn't laborious.

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Speaker 3: It was very well done and like, uh, I can

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Speaker 3: only imagine the cloud that you're floating on seeing this

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Speaker 3: whole Jets team and what they are.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be that guy, but I think

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Speaker 2: it is important sometimes to understand, like how lucky we are,

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Speaker 2: like getting paid to watch the Jets Hard Knock Show

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Speaker 2: and then talk about it with my friends.

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Speaker 1: It's it's pretty it's pretty awesome and really excited.

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Speaker 5: Rich like it would have blown your mind.

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Speaker 1: I got.

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Speaker 6: I listened to half of it. I listened to the

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Speaker 6: rich part so far. Usually I would be listening on

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Speaker 6: the way in. But we had a very important call

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Speaker 6: with their great friend. We did Henry Hodgson, handsome Hank

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Speaker 6: that cut into my time planning call.

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Speaker 1: Will leave it at that handsome fantastic.

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Speaker 5: It was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: What we'll do a little hard knocks talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit later. But we got a lot going on today

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Speaker 2: because we have one of the smartest football men in

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Speaker 2: the business, Aaron Shatz Over at FTN. He released his

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Speaker 2: annual Football Almanac twenty twenty three, and obviously, if you

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Speaker 2: don't read this almanac, you're not really prepared for the season.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna dig in on the defensive side of

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Speaker 2: the ball, which we haven't really tackled, tackled, nailed it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna work that side of the ball.

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Speaker 2: That conversation with Aaron and what defenses stand out to

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Speaker 2: him and what defenses might be ready for regression or

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Speaker 1: Get into all that, but first let's do some news.

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Speaker 7: Just understand this. I don't give what goes down this year.

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Speaker 7: We will always be in games no matter what. We

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Speaker 7: break some shoelaces and get a few points on us, guys,

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Speaker 7: We're going to be in every game. Guys, this is

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Speaker 7: across the field on the back shoulder.

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Speaker 1: Look at this.

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Speaker 7: I don't know there's any other human on earth that

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Speaker 7: can make that throw. He's our quarterback, He's ours, he's ours.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, man, I think that should be a drop going forward.

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Speaker 1: Eric Crawarts, Yes, as I said to Rich Eiesen.

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Speaker 2: Ulbrich, the defensive coordinator for the Jets, Jeff Olbrick, he

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Speaker 2: speaks for all of this is Jets fenss.

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Speaker 1: Like he's ours, he's ours, he's ours.

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Speaker 2: Watching that episode and yeah, that was in the defensive

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Speaker 1: We'll get some thoughts out there.

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Speaker 2: Anybody wants to hear my thoughts, obviously go check out

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Speaker 2: the podcast with Connie and I, but episode one thoughts Smart.

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Speaker 3: Allbri Good to me was one of the stars of

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Speaker 3: the episode, because you know, you'd think it's just Salah

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Speaker 3: That is sort of the aura I got watching this

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Speaker 6: Right It was like the Hard Knocks version of Barbie.

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Speaker 6: It was just like feel good, easy entertainment. But it

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Speaker 6: was also like a little different than Hard Knocks usually is,

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Speaker 6: like they decided to I think maybe mix it up.

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Speaker 6: It was really all about Aaron Rodgers and the good

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Speaker 5: That they just suddenly alluded to it. They were like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, put yourself in his shoes there, that the production

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Speaker 2: I should have put him a place in that conversation

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Speaker 2: He actually said that. He said, you got to do

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Speaker 1: An old brick did it.

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Speaker 6: I will dress there's too many, too many things on

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Speaker 6: If Zach Wilson never panned out, I will remember him

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Speaker 4: I don't think it was a weird in a weird place,

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Speaker 2: Very tough position, very tough position, especially if you're aging

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Speaker 1: He's now sixteen years old.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking this is the one quarterback that literally

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Speaker 6: I was thinking it would be tough for Packers fans

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Speaker 2: Ron Rivera, head coach of the Commanders, created a bit

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Speaker 2: Don't do the thing where you blame the media for

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Speaker 4: I think you slam on the desk at the end.

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Speaker 1: He gets real hyph.

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Speaker 5: I mean, but that's what I think.

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Speaker 5: Way too much was made about it.

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Speaker 6: I think people that read THEO and tried to make

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Speaker 6: But he was saying it sort of in a joking way,

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Speaker 6: Eric Benemy is who Eric is, who he is Eric

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Speaker 6: Benemy knows how to adapt, adapt it adjust. Eric Benemy

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Speaker 6: is a tough, hard nosed coach. That's three third persons

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Speaker 6: in three sentences. But he also says, you know, they

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Speaker 6: got to understand I'm their biggest credit. I'm also there

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Speaker 6: I've got there back more than anyone. I'm gonna support

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't. It'll it's dust in the wind,

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Speaker 4: I really wouldn't a lot.

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Speaker 3: I feel like over the long like this. This to

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Speaker 3: you're Ron Rivera, You've been doing this for a long

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Speaker 3: long time. Go out there and defend your coach.

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Speaker 1: How you know? That's how you know. He really had

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Speaker 1: regrets about how it played out and how it was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you don't you a written statement unless you're

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Speaker 4: This is this is like something. Just go back your guy.

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Speaker 1: He's just trying to put out a fire here.

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Speaker 3: Right, And I have no problem with like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: so Ben Standing of the Athletic had it. I thought

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Speaker 3: a good line. He said, there is intense and there

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Speaker 3: is mean. The enemy's coaching style is firmly in the

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not a player, but I think I

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Speaker 4: And it's been a major shift.

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of the reports though, coming

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Speaker 3: Howell and Jacoby Brissett have not been thriving like. There

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Speaker 6: They said they said they've gotten better, and Rivera alluded

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Speaker 6: to that over the last handful of days. And interesting

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Speaker 6: They're always the ones barking like crazy. And Viennamy has

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Speaker 6: this reputation, which is interesting because when you watch quarterback,

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Speaker 5: But now he's the offensive coordinator running the whole.

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Speaker 1: Time, and it's in some ways a loaded subject.

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Speaker 2: So I don't want to take it too far in

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Speaker 2: It was interesting how mahomes ninety five percent of his

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Speaker 1: It just was interesting to me.

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Speaker 2: So I'm really, you know, I, like everyone else, you

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Speaker 2: great opportunity has well, we shall see. In other news,

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Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings owner Mark Wilf declined to say Tuesday whether

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Speaker 2: he wants Kirk Cousins to re sign with the franchise

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Speaker 2: We'll leave that to Questi and coach to work through

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Speaker 2: is cool. It's gonna work out. I think how it should.

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Speaker 2: I think Cousins is going to have enough their productive,

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Speaker 2: He's gonna sign another point deal, you know, two three

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Speaker 2: And it makes sense for the Vikings at this point,

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Speaker 1: Where are we? Where are we? Where we want to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no you know, consternation here. Cousins said back

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Speaker 4: And he knows that.

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Speaker 3: I think you know from I know you guys watched

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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins came out as the big winner of that

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Speaker 3: whole thing. Is the nicest man on you know, east

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Speaker 6: North, I guess because it's it is. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: What's going on out here west of the Mississippi just

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Speaker 1: I'd feel that he would have that on lockdown.

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Speaker 5: But he's west of the Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: Give the whole country, and I'll give them the west.

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Speaker 5: If he's west, he's west of Mark said east.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, Andy, so I'm giving him the whole I

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Speaker 3: give them the whole nation, the whole thing continental.

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Speaker 6: He's west, not Hawaii and Alaska to keep that out

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Speaker 3: Outside of me, I'm referencing it. How often is it

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Speaker 1: You've got Aaron Shats and six mans.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot of pop. It's a lot of pops.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead ships.

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Speaker 3: No, I think vikings have set all off season. You know,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, old Kirk Gunn's gonna be before the start of

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Speaker 1: Let me get saying on Kimlin. No, No, he's going to

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Speaker 6: There will be thirty six by the start of next season.

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Speaker 6: It's like I'm doing. I got my top fifty free

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Speaker 5: It Uh, not sure where to put Kirk.

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Speaker 6: I think I had him met around ten or eleven,

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Speaker 5: Ideally you would have him on a year to year

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Speaker 6: He'll get more than that, I think from another team

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Speaker 2: Speaking speaking of Vikings and quarterbacks, Teddy Bridgewater, once upon

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Speaker 2: around a lot, obviously, and despite that, is always kept

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Speaker 2: Greg Rosevedal's attention as his new project, perhaps his new

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Speaker 1: With them both. You know, his eyes are wandering, you know.

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Speaker 2: Now that he's he's like one of those Uh, it's

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Speaker 2: like one of those men who you know, he's with

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Speaker 1: You know. That's that's Geno.

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Speaker 4: You think Geno's that's Geno's attitude. He seems to be.

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Speaker 1: It's like quite pleasure and thank you for all the sport,

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Speaker 1: you know, during when I was kind of down. But

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Speaker 6: I think he's bare. I don't know my existence as

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Speaker 6: I don't think that's changed.

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Speaker 5: I think that's been Craig trying. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: That's why I'm saying barely, because if you get the

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Speaker 6: the barely. Teddy Bridgewater, I'm pretty sure is unaware of

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would say this, and it happened again

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Speaker 2: Greg's been in the business for a long time. You've

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Speaker 2: And uh so I would not be surprised that Geno

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Speaker 1: No, I would not be sprissed.

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Speaker 3: But Greg also pointed out that Jerry Jones recognized him

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Speaker 3: me though I was Dan. Well, then then what are

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Speaker 6: So if Teddy ever was going to become the next Gino,

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Speaker 5: I do not.

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Speaker 3: I think Jared Goff was quietly We're still doing the

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Speaker 3: best version.

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Speaker 1: We're still taking down Jared Goff. Really, I'm not just

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Speaker 1: trying to have a say, solid career.

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Speaker 6: In this great situation that is the Detroit Lions. Teddy

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Speaker 6: Bridgewater would put up excellent numbers and be able above

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Speaker 6: it all these.

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Speaker 4: Years if he can stay healthy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like all these years of bouncing around

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Speaker 2: for Teddy now he's had opportunities to kind of find

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Speaker 2: his place, find his footing. The fact that it still

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Speaker 2: hasn't happened, I think it tells you something, not that

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Speaker 2: he's a bad quarterback and certainly a likable guy and

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Speaker 2: a great comeback story after what happened with his knee injury.

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Speaker 4: Which was seven years ago at this point.

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Speaker 6: I mean it tells you, yeah, he's he's hurt too

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Speaker 6: much to be relied upon. But but I still remember

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Speaker 6: that Denver season, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: Nice?

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Speaker 5: Nice little job?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: A couple more things you know that tragic story had

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Speaker 2: Rugg's former first round pick of the Raiders who got

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Speaker 2: drunk at a bar or a club and then went

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Speaker 2: driving home in Vegas a couple of years back, rear

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Speaker 2: ended at a crazy speed a poor woman and her

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Speaker 2: dog and they both burned to death in the car.

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Speaker 2: And he was way over the legal limit. It's a

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Speaker 2: terrible story all the way around. And Rugs twenty four

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Speaker 2: years old.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: He's been out of the league after the Raiders cut

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Speaker 2: him shortly after that incident in November of twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: On Wednesday, clark Keunty District Court Judge Jennifer Schwartz told

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Speaker 2: Ruggs that it was one of the more tragic cases

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Speaker 2: she had seen.

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Speaker 1: In her sentencing of Rugs to three to.

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Speaker 2: Ten years in that fatal dui, Ruggs said, to the

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Speaker 2: parents and family of miss Tinter that's the woman who

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Speaker 2: died in the accident. Tina Tinter, I sincerely apologize for

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Speaker 2: the pain and suffering. I don't even really know what

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Speaker 2: else needs to be said on that one, boys, But

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Speaker 2: just like one of the sadder stories, up with a

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Speaker 2: little eight o'clock delight.

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Speaker 6: The Texans lose newly signed tackle. We missed that one

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Speaker 6: a few weeks ago Titus Howard got a big deal,

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Speaker 6: good tackle combo in Houston.

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Speaker 3: But they're not going to be around Mark He's out. Nope,

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Speaker 3: they got Laramie Tunsel. You do have George Fund maybe

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Speaker 3: maybe you can help.

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Speaker 5: Out and Rams back in.

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Speaker 1: John john said, Leev Schreiber, Leave Schreiber.

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Speaker 4: I say leave.

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Speaker 1: I've got to get that right.

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Speaker 4: But I am hearing people say Leev no, and I

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Speaker 4: don't like that at all.

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Speaker 1: What is it? Eric?

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Speaker 6: Can you check that you're reading more of Leev? You

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Speaker 6: feel like in Russia it would definitely be Leev.

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Speaker 1: I'm self conscious when I say it.

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Speaker 4: Every day I've been saying leave my entire life.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 5: The Rams signed, uh John Johnson what.

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Speaker 1: Johnny jo Safety?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Brown's Rams also came on our show.

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Speaker 2: Came on our show when we thought we were getting

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Speaker 2: Robert right, but at the Old Coliseum and we were.

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Speaker 1: Like hamah hamanaha, we do in.

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Speaker 3: Your ear Like seconds before he sat down, it was like,

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Speaker 3: this is John Johnson of the Rams Safety.

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Speaker 2: He was a rook It was a rookie at the time,

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Speaker 2: very close to the old Zeuser saying well, Robert Woods,

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Speaker 2: great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: That would have went well.

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Speaker 6: Kareem Hunt visited the Colts after a trip to the Saints.

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Speaker 6: Jadavian Clowney visited the Ravens. Baker Mayfield and Kyle Trash

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Speaker 6: will each start a preseason.

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Speaker 4: Game, though this could bubble into the worst quarter they are.

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Speaker 2: They are co number one QBS on the depth chart.

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Speaker 2: Can we calm down a little bit over there in Tampa?

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Speaker 5: That's yeah, not fun.

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Speaker 6: Broncos lost another starter, Mike Mclinche's out two to three weeks,

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Speaker 6: and then Rashad Bateman off the pup list for the Ravens.

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Speaker 5: It sounds like JK.

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Speaker 6: Dobbins is probably gonna end his holding fairly soon, even

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Speaker 6: though no one has called it all.

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Speaker 2: Right, And I'll tag that with Jonathan Taylor's left the

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Speaker 2: scene and indeed to rehab his he's got inside.

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Speaker 6: I actually think this is something where the journalism industry

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Speaker 6: had an impact, because the Colts beat writers were like,

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Speaker 6: can we get Jonathan Taylor off the field? Scowling at

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Speaker 6: every practice, it's just sort of bad vibes, And then

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Speaker 6: like a day or two later, they're like, he's just

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Speaker 6: inside rehabby It's like if he's just gonna be standing there.

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Speaker 5: That's it's kind of awkward.

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the news promo time.

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Speaker 2: Big names putting new cities on their backs, a new

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back with Aaron Shatz. Wow.

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Speaker 2: You know, I asked Eric to send me something a

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Speaker 2: little fresh.

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Speaker 3: Eric is from a different generation than us, and he

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Speaker 3: found something that I don't think we.

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Speaker 2: Would have foun This sounds like something that was playing

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Speaker 2: out of the boombox when Woody Harrelson and Lesley Snipes

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Speaker 2: are dribbling poorly and white Man Kenjum.

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Speaker 5: Has a bit of a CNC music factory vibe to it.

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Speaker 2: Here's a man that has a CNC music factory vibe

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Speaker 2: to No, that doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: He is a great man. He is one of the

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Speaker 1: pre eminent football minds.

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Speaker 2: He's the Oppenheimer of you know, detailed, nuanced takes on football,

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Speaker 2: founder of Football Outsiders, and now he's got his new

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Speaker 2: UH partnership with FTN as Football Almanac twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Schatz, Welcome back to Around the NFL.

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Speaker 8: Hey, thanks for having me back on. I think I'm

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Speaker 8: more Oppenheimer than I am CNC Music Factory.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you were a DJ though, I do remember that

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Speaker 6: you professional day.

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Speaker 1: You were looking down on CNC.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's in that Nathaniel Hackett, you know, dance instructor

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Speaker 3: category right there, that you were a DJ.

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Speaker 4: I'm impressed. I would not have I would not have

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Speaker 4: guessed then.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it was my first job out of college.

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Speaker 2: My buddy Bob and I saw Soul Asylum at the

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Speaker 2: Troubadour like five years ago.

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Speaker 1: How about that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they're still going.

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Speaker 1: Still doing it, still doing the things.

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Speaker 8: Not a band, still going, not all the original members,

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Speaker 8: but still going.

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Speaker 2: Got Perner in there, some of the Souls went back

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Speaker 2: to her Wenona Ryder not in attendance, but I did

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Speaker 2: look around Aaron Shatz again, this is it, and this

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Speaker 2: is the guy. This is the almanac that you need

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Speaker 2: to study ahead of a football season. And we're lucky

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Speaker 2: enough to have him here, and we wanted to really

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Speaker 2: kind of dive into the defensive side of the ball

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Speaker 2: in our conversation with you, because there were some things

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Speaker 2: when you kind of look at your breakdowns on the

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Speaker 2: DVOA side of things that really stood out.

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Speaker 1: Greg.

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Speaker 2: I mean, why don't you get us going with this conversation?

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Speaker 2: What's what's a rating that Shats and his team had

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Speaker 2: that really jumped out.

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Speaker 5: To Yeah, I was fascinating.

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Speaker 6: First, let's let's go through like what you your top

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Speaker 6: five work, because it's interesting on defense in terms of

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Speaker 6: DVOA projections to his Bills, Jets, Cowboys, Niners, and then

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Speaker 6: Commanders and the Bills being on top kind of gets

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Speaker 6: to something I've been noticing lately that there's this feeling

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Speaker 6: that it's like, well, has their window closed, or like

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Speaker 6: you know, is the rest of the league caught up

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Speaker 6: and passed the Bills. And I do feel like I'm

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Speaker 6: taking crazy pills a little because they won thirteen games

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Speaker 6: a year ago and they've had a stable a.

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Speaker 5: Defense as anyone. So why do you think Bills and

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Speaker 5: Jets especially came out on top when you're looking at it?

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Speaker 5: Because I saw also you have the Bills as your

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl pick, which is weird that that's going to

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Speaker 5: be I feel like a not a trendy pick this year.

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Speaker 5: The Bills getting to the super Bowl finally.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the thing about the Bill. One of the things

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Speaker 8: about the Bills, and this also goes for the Cowboys,

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Speaker 8: is that people overestimate in their minds the effect of

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Speaker 8: one playoff instead of thinking about the much larger sample

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Speaker 8: size of the entire regular season. And so, yeah, the Bills.

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Speaker 8: The last time we remember the Bills, they were not

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Speaker 8: playing well. That was a loss, no question about it.

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Speaker 8: But they had a phenomenal regular season. They've had a

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Speaker 8: couple of phenomenal regular seasons. Their defense has been really good,

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Speaker 8: and they've added a bunch of stuff to their defense, right,

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Speaker 8: like by getting guys back from injury and adding Leonard Floyd, Like,

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Speaker 8: their defense should be better. They have a whole year

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Speaker 8: of Tradavius White, they get Micah Hyde back. There's just

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Speaker 8: a lot of reason to believe that their defense can

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Speaker 8: be even better this year than it was last year.

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Speaker 3: I looked at this list and right away I have

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Speaker 3: a very clear number one thing that jumped out to me.

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Speaker 3: I'll say it before I jump into that though, that

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Speaker 3: this almanac that you guys put every year, like the writing.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'll go read this in like taverns and

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Speaker 3: restaurants and like I'll be cracking up at some of

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Speaker 3: the stuff that's going on. So back in the day

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Speaker 3: the Farmers, they wrote an almanac, a lot of data,

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Speaker 3: not good writing, not intriguing.

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Speaker 4: This is a different type of almanac. Pick it up.

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Speaker 3: But you have the Falcons as the tenth defense and

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Speaker 3: I know they had it. They did a lot this offseason,

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Speaker 3: so you're weighing some of that. But i'd branch that

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Speaker 3: off to say that when you go through your projected

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Speaker 3: win totals, you have the Falcons as the third highest

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Speaker 3: team in the in the in the NFC, at point one,

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Speaker 3: above Philadelphia and just below San Francisco and Dallas. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Greg and I have been on this Falcons thing. Dan

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Speaker 3: is now there too. I think they're going to be

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Speaker 3: so fun to watch. But what brought you to this place?

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Speaker 3: What is the for of your belief? Because this was

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Speaker 3: the thing that stood out to me more than anything else.

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Speaker 8: Defense and schedule. So we think their defense is going

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Speaker 8: to really improve. There's a variable in our system based

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Speaker 8: on a combination of you know, free agent additions, getting

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Speaker 8: guys back from injury, and drafting rookies. High Buffalo is

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Speaker 8: actually number one in that variable because of all the

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Speaker 8: guys they're getting back from injury, but Atlanta is number

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Speaker 8: two Jesse Bates and Kaleiis Campbell and Caden Ellis and

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Speaker 8: they've just added a ton on defense, and then their

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Speaker 8: schedule is remarkably easy. I know it sounds strange given

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Speaker 8: that the NFC South was won by a team with

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Speaker 8: a losing record last year, but the Saints and Falcons

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Speaker 8: schedules are so much easier than the other thirty teams

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Speaker 8: that it is really likely that you're going to have

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Speaker 8: two NFC teams NFC South teams in the playoffs over

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Speaker 8: teams that are better than them but have harder schedules,

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Speaker 8: because if you look at the overall DVOA projections, the

663
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Speaker 8: Saints and Falcons are projected to be average, like not good,

664
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Speaker 8: just average. But the schedule is so easy. The hardest

665
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 8: quarterback that either of those teams plays is Trevor Lawrence.

666
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 8: And then the Falcons also have Aaron Rodgers, which the

667
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Speaker 8: Saints don't have because they play the Patriots instead of

668
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 8: the Jets. And as far as top quarterbacks in the league.

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Speaker 8: That's it. Then I think the next hardest one they

670
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 8: play is Kirk Cousins. Like they just have really easy schedules.

671
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Speaker 6: I don't like this because I was already toying around

672
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 6: with putting them both in the playoffs, like in my

673
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 6: in my mind, but now I feel like shots took

674
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Speaker 6: a little bit of my Oh that's kind of a

675
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Speaker 6: good sandwich prop thunder here.

676
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Speaker 5: Not happy with that.

677
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Speaker 6: But you do have them as top ten defenses, both

678
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 6: of them, so even even separate to the schedule, that

679
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 6: that would be amazing because the Falcons had one of

680
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 6: the worst defense in the league of years.

681
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: Now I'm curious, not to get off topic, but who's

682
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: like kind of the inverse of that, a team that

683
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: all your data really backs up as being a good team,

684
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: but the schedule is so brutal that it's going to

685
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: depress their value and hold them back.

686
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 8: Maybe the Chargers, the Jets. Yeah yeah, AFCAST the four

687
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 8: hardest schedules in the league are the four AFC East teams.

688
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Speaker 6: Miami you have eight and a half wins project did

689
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 6: Patriots are eight? And I was a little surprised that

690
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 6: neither of those teams were in your top ten defensive projections,

691
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 6: because that's not taking into account schedule, that's looking at

692
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 6: how effective they're going to be. When I came up,

693
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 6: I tried to come up with what my five were

694
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 6: before I looked at yours, just curious how they'd be different.

695
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 6: And I had forteen. I had Cowboys, forty nine, Ers, Bills, Patriots, Dolphins.

696
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 6: I had all three of the AFC teams in a

697
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 6: top five. And you don't have the Dolphins or the

698
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 6: Patriots particularly close. You have the Jets and the Bills

699
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 6: at a whole other level to them.

700
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, the Patriots. The Dolphins are interesting because the Dolphins

701
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 8: didn't have a lot of takeaways last year, so there's

702
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 8: reason to believe that they're going to be better. But

703
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 8: you know, obviously no more credit for Jalen Ramsey, right,

704
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 8: So sure, I think the thing about the Dolphins, some

705
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 8: of this has to do with splits of stats and

706
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 8: certain down, down in play situations. It's sort of complicated

707
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 8: to get to. But for the Dolphins, I think part

708
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 8: of it is that mentally, everyone wants to feel like

709
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 8: Vic Fangio comes in and builds a top five defense. Yes,

710
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 8: and historically Vic Fangio does not come in and immediately

711
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 8: build a top five defense. Most of the teams he's

712
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 8: been with have taken some time to have their defenses

713
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 8: develop into being top defenses. So I don't think that

714
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 8: Fangio necessarily equals a top five defense on his own.

715
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 8: And then a lot of this is just general regression

716
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 8: from both of these teams, Like they were good on

717
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 8: third and short last year, and that tends to regress

718
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 8: a little bit. And you know, in general, an important

719
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 8: analytic precept is defense is harder to project than offense.

720
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 8: So you know, the defensive projections are just not going

721
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 8: to be as accurate as the offensive ones. And a

722
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 8: lot of the teams are sort of grouped around the

723
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 8: middle because we don't quite know what's going to happen

724
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Speaker 8: with defenses.

725
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: I think, you know, if you ask the average fan

726
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: what the triumvirt of power is in the AFC, it's

727
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: very clearly Kansas City, Buffalo, and Cincinnati to most people.

728
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're going to be having a

729
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: delightful trip to Cincinnati anytime soon. This got on Greg

730
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: and my radar as well, that you have the Browns

731
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: overall as number one, the ninth Bens defense and the

732
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: Bengals down at twenty six.

733
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 4: That's through me.

734
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: But then also Cleveland is the third best team in

735
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: the AFC with a ten point five win total and

736
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: Cincinnati at ten point two. I mean, I know you're

737
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: not doing this for clicks and tweets and stuff, but like,

738
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: this is going to get on some people's radar.

739
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 8: I would imagine, Yeah, notice that Cincinnati is better but

740
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 8: has a harder schedule, so Cincinnati does come out slightly better.

741
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 8: But yeah, the fact that we have Cleveland so high

742
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 8: is going to surprise people. Defensively, we like what they've

743
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 8: done with the additions to offseason, people like Sadarius Smith.

744
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 8: I think their defense is going to really improve. Offensively,

745
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 8: it's about sample size. You have three years of them

746
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 8: having good offenses with bad quarterbacks, and then you have

747
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 8: six bad games at the end of last year. And

748
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 8: you have all of Deshaun's Watson's career of him being

749
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 8: good and then six bad games at the end of

750
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 8: last year. So what means more all of that sample

751
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 8: of Kevin Stefanski running a good offense and Deshaun Watson

752
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 8: running a good offense were those six games. I mean,

753
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 8: we're going to bet that it's the larger sample that

754
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 8: tells you more about how good Cleveland is. And then

755
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 8: we have Cincinnati. They lost a lot of talent in

756
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 8: their secondary, so we do have them declining a little

757
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 8: bit on defense, and that's what puts Cleveland slightly ahead

758
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 8: of them in wins. Although it's not like Cincinnati. Cincinnati

759
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 8: is not a major Super Bowl contender. They have our

760
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 8: number two projection on offense.

761
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 6: That's surprising, but you still have you have them as

762
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 6: like one of the five teams that are the top

763
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Speaker 6: ten offense and a top ten defense.

764
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Speaker 8: Cleveland. Yeah, we have Cleveland right on the edge of

765
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 8: the top ten in both offense.

766
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 6: Is that because Jim Schwartz used to blurb your No

767
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 6: Football Outsiders Almanac back in like two thousand and five.

768
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 5: That was a good pop for you though early on

769
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 5: that you got a real big football guy, it would

770
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 5: always be like Bill Simmons, maybe Peter King I feel like,

771
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 5: but it would always be Schwartz. It would always be

772
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 5: Jim Schwartz's quote on the front of the book that

773
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 5: would be like, these guys really know what they're talking about.

774
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 3: You know what Greg is going for here? Greg wants

775
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: a blurb at some point in the future.

776
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 8: Oh, we'll take it. Oh, I'll take it happily. Yeah,

777
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 8: we counted him as a new defensive coordinator the way

778
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 8: we normally do with new defensive coordinators. It is a

779
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 8: new scheme they're learning, and all other things being equal,

780
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 8: teams take a little bit of a step back when

781
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 8: they have to learn a new scheme. But of course

782
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 8: all things aren't equal because of the talent that they

783
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 8: added in the offseason, and you know other statistical trends.

784
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 6: Seahawks, you had a seventh on defense. You wrote to me,

785
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 6: you put your top twelve in an order very nicely

786
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 6: for me, and you thought that was the biggest surprise

787
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 6: of your top ten.

788
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is another one where they added talent. They're

789
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 8: the number three in the added talent variable because they

790
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 8: drafted the cornerback so high and then getting Bobby Wagner

791
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 8: back and then getting Dreamont Jones. This is probably right

792
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 8: the defensive projection that I like. If you ask me subjectively,

793
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 8: I think we're too low on the Seattle offense and

794
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 8: too high on the Seattle defense, and probably right about

795
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 8: them overall.

796
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: I get what you're doing with Minnesota's defense. They are

797
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: dead last at thirty two. I do think Brian Flores

798
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: could get them a little bit of a boost, but

799
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: you know, personnel wise, it's a bit of an apocalypse.

800
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: But overall, I mean, I kind of love what you

801
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 3: did with the with the Vikings because this will be

802
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: another minor earthquake up in that part of the country.

803
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: You have them at six point four wins, so you're

804
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 3: basically saying all these what happened last year was ultimately

805
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: a massive mirage in.

806
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 8: Terms of yes, they were twenty seventh in DVA. Overall,

807
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 8: despite being thirteen and four, it was like the weirdest

808
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 8: season of all times. So like all advanced stats said

809
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 8: the Vikings were overrated, but we may have had them

810
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 8: lower than anybody. And then they went out lost talent, right,

811
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 8: no more feeling, No more's a Darius Smith, no more

812
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 8: Patrick Peterson, so you know, Dalvin Cook, also Kendrick So yeah,

813
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 8: I mean, I just don't think Minnesota's going to be

814
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 8: very good, and I don't think they think they're going

815
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,959
Speaker 8: to be that good because I think that Adolphamenza ran

816
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 8: the off season as if they're rebuilding, right, and they

817
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 8: ran a rebuilding off season. I think he saw the

818
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 8: analytics and said, we're not a thirteen and fourteen trying

819
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 8: to get to the super Bowl. We're a rebuilding team.

820
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 8: We're going to have a rebuilding off season.

821
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: And we talked about in our news before we had

822
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: you on, Aaron that they're keeping their options open with

823
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: cousins because I think they're using this as a big

824
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: evaluation year, not we're going for this or we have

825
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 2: the core in place already over in the NFC West.

826
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. You.

827
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: In terms of win projections, you have the Rams at

828
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: five point eight, Arizona also at five point eight, and

829
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: on the defensive side, you have the Rams thirtieth. And

830
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of hard to wrap your head

831
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: around that a defense that has Aaron Donald ostensibly still

832
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: in or near the peak of his game anchoring a

833
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: defense that could be this bad. But I would imagine

834
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: for the exercise and the projections you do, they are

835
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: a unique case because they just have so many new

836
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: faces there and they're just kind of starting from scratch.

837
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 8: Yeah. I was gonna say, Okay, Aaron Donald, name another

838
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 8: defender on the Rams. You guys can do it, of course, right,

839
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 8: you guys know, Hey, John Johnson just signed there, which

840
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 8: isn't incorporated in this because that happened after we finished

841
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 8: the book.

842
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 5: Now it's a bad side. I saw on their poster.

843
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 6: Jordan Fuller was on their poster, who's like a fourth

844
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 6: year safety for fans out there, you know, and that

845
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 6: defensive captain. Like that's a pretty big steep fall from

846
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 6: Aaron Donald to Jordan Fuller.

847
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 8: Their secondary is almost all Day three draft picks, and

848
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 8: you know, other than Fuller, not established really players. There's

849
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 8: like one linebacker, Ernest Jones, Like there really isn't a

850
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 8: second off ball linebacker, Like, I don't know what they're

851
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 8: gonna do when they need to play nickel or bass.

852
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 4: It's unusual to see the Ravens down as the twentieth

853
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: defense in the NFL.

854
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's surprising.

855
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a little regression there. You know, high turnovers

856
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 8: last year, their defense getting a lot younger this year

857
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 8: than it was last year. The system doesn't really like

858
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 8: that that much. They were particularly good on third downs

859
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 8: last year, so it sees that regressing a little bit.

860
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 8: I mean, we like the Ravens overall. The thing that

861
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 8: people forget about the Ravens is you can always pencil

862
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 8: them in for, if not the best special teams in

863
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 8: the league, close to the best special teams in the league.

864
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 8: It's like this hidden little bump that they get when

865
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 8: you're thinking about what they're going to do this year,

866
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 8: Like special teams are impossible to predict, except the Ravens.

867
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 8: You know they're going to do.

868
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 6: For a while, it was the Patriots and uh, yeah

869
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 6: that's over. That's over, Cliff, I am. I do think

870
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 6: the Ravens defense is going to be better, but I'm

871
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 6: basing it on uh, subjective things, which is that I

872
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 6: think their defense took a little bit to catch on

873
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 6: last year under uh the new coordinator MacDonald. And then

874
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 6: I'm buying like little camp reports where it's like Michael

875
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 6: Pierce is like a once in every three year player,

876
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 6: but he sounds like he's looking pretty awesome this year.

877
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 6: I think some of their young players, like Matt a

878
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 6: Bouquet away a Jabo, like a lot of guys who

879
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 6: haven't quite produced at the NFL level. A full season

880
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 6: of Rokwan Smith and Queen together, which which seemed like

881
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 6: a great combination last year. There's questions in the secondary,

882
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 6: but they're a team to me. That and you you

883
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 6: said it, defense is hard to predict that. Like, if

884
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 6: you told me they're a top five defense this year,

885
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be totally shocked. I feel like they have

886
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 6: a chance at doing that, and really so I don't

887
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 6: think shocked.

888
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 8: You're right, edge rushers, right, Like part of it is

889
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 8: they've they haven't had a really good edge rush for

890
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 8: a couple of years, and they've depended on like rental

891
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 8: veterans like justin Houston. If those guys get it together

892
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 8: and you know that they have talent Jabbo and Oda Fay, oh, like, yeah,

893
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 8: they could be a much better defense than we're projecting. Sure. Absolutely.

894
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: Another team that you have falling off a cliff after

895
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: an inspiring campaign a year ago in New York the Giants,

896
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: the g Men, Yeah.

897
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 8: They were the mini Vikings.

898
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: Basically were you about might as well tum Aaron, do

899
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 2: the talk about it?

900
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: Talk about it?

901
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 3: No? I thought I emphasized that g Men and then

902
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 3: just like leave it to you the state you talk

903
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: about it.

904
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean they they were a little overrated last year.

905
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 8: I think Daboll did an amazing job and ran a

906
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 8: great offense. Their defense was man and they won games.

907
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 8: They you know, were very close in and their overall

908
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 8: numbers weren't great, but the thing is they're sort of, hey,

909
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 8: here's a team that's having kind of a lucky year.

910
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 8: Was so overshadowed by the vikings like yours ever that,

911
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 8: you know, and then the two teams faced each other

912
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 8: in the playoffs, which was, you know, it was like

913
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 8: battle of the network frauds, which the Giants won because

914
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 8: they were better in our numbers over the course of

915
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 8: the season.

916
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 2: But kind of messed up the NFC playoffs a little

917
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: bit because we got the fraud the fraud game, and

918
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: then he had the Eagles dismantling the fraud that won

919
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: the next week.

920
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: We don't need all those frauds, right.

921
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 5: It's good that the Eagles played so well in the

922
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 5: Super Bowl.

923
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 6: I know they lost, but it was a classic because

924
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 6: before that it was like no team has ever had

925
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 6: such a buye to the Super Bowl.

926
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 8: If the story is that the Giants play better than

927
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 8: this because Dave Bowl coaches the heck out of them,

928
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 8: I will buy it. Like I think Dave Bowl was

929
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 8: a great coach last year. And it's hard, you know,

930
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 8: it's hard to control for that in a stat analysis system.

931
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 5: Right, So they coached up that defense.

932
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 6: I'm with you on paper, they coached up their defense

933
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 6: to get it to even respectable last year. And in

934
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 6: the back end, it's like Deontay Banks is getting smoked

935
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 6: at at practice reportedly basically linebacker and secondary is trouble.

936
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 6: But they're looking at it like, our lines are pretty

937
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 6: good and if you have good lines, that's a good

938
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 6: base to build from.

939
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 8: And we might yeah, you need a good secondary too, right.

940
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: I don't.

941
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: I don't see it with them. I think they're a

942
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 5: solid fourth for me.

943
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: Let's end it this way, Aaron, because this is in

944
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: some ways the most vital question in your business and

945
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: all of sports. What do you have to say to

946
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 2: the one thing You can't measure his heart, Mafia.

947
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 8: I mean you measure heart, because if a guy's heart

948
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 8: makes him play better than his muscles would make him play,

949
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 8: it's gonna come out in his performance.

950
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: The heart is a muscle.

951
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 5: Hard will be in the numbers, the heart the numbers.

952
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 8: What you can't measure is whether guys get along in

953
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 8: the locker room. You can't measure coaches, you know, uh,

954
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 8: making their players play better through inspiration. That kind of

955
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 8: stuff you can't measure. But I mean I feel like,

956
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 8: you know, if a player wants it more, then you're

957
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 8: gonna see it in his numbers because he's gonna do

958
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 8: it more.

959
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 2: Asking for a friend. Last question, last, last question, is

960
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: momentum real?

961
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 8: No?

962
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean you knew that, you know, well.

963
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: You know we have a buddy, Patrick Claibon. Yes, I'm

964
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: actually doing him a favor. I thought that it would align.

965
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 4: I felt we would go that way with I'm with him.

966
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 8: I know I know how much players and coaches feel it,

967
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 8: but you can't ever define it in such a way

968
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 8: that's actually testable. I mean, I'm less than football anyway,

969
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 8: because when the defense does something, the offense comes on.

970
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 8: Like completely different players come on the field after the

971
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 8: offense does something or the defense does something. So it's

972
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 8: not even like you know in basketball, where you know,

973
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 8: you let up a ten ozer run and then you're

974
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 8: still on the court. Like football, completely different players are

975
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 8: suddenly on the field.

976
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd just like to agree with clayboun and everything. Greg,

977
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: I don't believe you.

978
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: I bet we could find one hundred instances on this

979
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: podcast where you talk about lentum swinging.

980
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: No, I think it's a lot, Eric, I have a

981
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: project for you this week.

982
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: Oh, a big project.

983
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 6: I think it's a little more nuanced. But if you

984
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 6: have to go just black and white, yes, no, then

985
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 6: it's basically no because it's it's a movie.

986
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: Here's the deal with Aaron chats Uh.

987
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: He's over with the FTN Fantasy crowd and his football

988
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: Almanac is as good as ever.

989
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: Where could people get it? Get that plug in?

990
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 8: So the PDF version you can get at ftnfantasy dot com.

991
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 8: Look for the picture of Patrick Mahomes. He's on the

992
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 8: cover of the book.

993
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: Smart.

994
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 8: There's a physical copy also. It's currently in review by Amazon,

995
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 8: but within the next day or two that should be

996
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 8: available as well on Amazon. So physical book on Amazon,

997
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 8: Pdf at FTN fantasy dot.

998
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 4: Com under review.

999
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: Yes, someone's got to read the whole thing in like

1000
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: one day. That's a bit.

1001
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 4: There's a lot going on here, so.

1002
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 8: You have to make sure our fonts look right right.

1003
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 6: It's like Bezos says up in his office. He's like, actually,

1004
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 6: momentum is real. I'm gonna need you.

1005
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: It's a big red stamp, like.

1006
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 8: Like they're going over on the commanders.

1007
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: There you go. Aaron Schautz thank you for the time

1008
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: you got it. Thanks Aaron. There he goes.

1009
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: Listen, Greg, I I just think you're saying this because

1010
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 2: I know that's the smart football guys.

1011
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 5: I've always believed that.

1012
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 6: I just don't like getting in the same arguments over

1013
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 6: and over on this podcast. But back in the day,

1014
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 6: if you went back to like twenty thirteen, we were

1015
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 6: in those arguments.

1016
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: I know.

1017
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not that I'm not that surprised that

1018
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: Greg takes the more robotic Earth approach to this topic.

1019
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: But you know, I kind of disagree entirely.

1020
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: I don't like the battle against science because science usually

1021
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: wins out, but it can't win verbally. But there is

1022
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: there's something beaten in here.

1023
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, go talk to the real players who play.

1024
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: There's a motion drive not just sports, but important the

1025
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: human race and really all animals.

1026
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: Do you ever feel momentum when you were play a

1027
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: teenage tennis player, Greg.

1028
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 5: Well, that's a one on one sport.

1029
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: How about how about when you.

1030
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 6: Did well with removing a lot of the variables when

1031
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 6: it's a one on one sport.

1032
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: But there's the scientists over here, now over here, Now

1033
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: about the girls.

1034
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: In high school when you got on that nice run

1035
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: you were on. Yeah, you had the girlfriend after girlfriend,

1036
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: and then things slowed down a little bit.

1037
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: Like college. That was momentum.

1038
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: My friend was one. It was born out of the

1039
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 2: momentum of one girl.

1040
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 5: And we're talking about in a football game first of all.

1041
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: Now, right, just like.

1042
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: Leaving them behind. Oh I'm bored of you. First period,

1043
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: that's my first period, girl. I got my fourth period, girl,

1044
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: I got my seventh period.

1045
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: Girl, lunch lunch time.

1046
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of hearts, you didn't care about their hearts.

1047
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 5: I cared a lot my heart.

1048
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 6: That's why I think was working out, because it's like

1049
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 6: when people talk about high school and they're like, oh, yeah,

1050
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 6: they're this one girl. I had a bigger Like didn't

1051
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 6: you have a crush on like thirty girls in high

1052
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 6: school all the time? Wasn't it always changing? And there

1053
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 6: was like many at once Because there's so many.

1054
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: There was the crush that was like.

1055
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 6: I rejected, like some of them they feel your vibe

1056
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 6: and you're getting backed back.

1057
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: But you could lock in on one, which is a mistake.

1058
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: That's what you went back in high school. You lock

1059
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: in on one and you don't see anything else.

1060
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: Right, there's the unattainable crush that you might have. Then

1061
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: there's the one that you think is attainable. Yeah, there

1062
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: are different levels of it.

1063
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 6: Right, I think I'm such a lover, you know, not

1064
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 6: a rope that it was just it was just the

1065
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 6: vibes were going out to many people, and then you're

1066
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 6: you're bound to.

1067
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: Uh, we should just subjects. I don't.

1068
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna agree on this one. I

1069
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: think you were cold and emotionless in high school and

1070
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 2: you just you just had notches on your on your

1071
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: bedpost rather than caring about people.

1072
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 4: It's tough to watch, tough to see.

1073
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: I was at the Tailor Swift Show, which was an incredible,

1074
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: incredible scene, by the way, and I even as a

1075
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: tailor Swift and I am not near the level of

1076
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: the true Swifties, So I just kind of watched it

1077
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: from a distance, and it is a very cool vibe.

1078
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: I don't have any daughters, Greg, you do have a daughter.

1079
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: It was so cool to see you. I have a daughter,

1080
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: you do, I mean a eighteen She kind of started

1081
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 2: over that relationship and you guys are working through it.

1082
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: It was so great to see the vibe in Sofi Stadium.

1083
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: Of this is an outdated term, the girl power, but

1084
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: it was just like this this great communal experience of

1085
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: everyone like loving this woman who puts out all this

1086
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 2: positive energy and it's such a great role model.

1087
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: I was as like as a dad, I was like,

1088
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: this would be a concert.

1089
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: I would make sure to take my daughter to to

1090
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 2: show the power of that's great.

1091
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 4: Did we ever find out who won that?

1092
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 7: In?

1093
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: Like?

1094
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 5: That raffers that much?

1095
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: Though? Then I wouldn't take her.

1096
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: I guess I would take her to you know something else,

1097
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Speaker 2: the Beyonce Show.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to hear about your experience, So I'm glad you.

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Speaker 3: Told who I was who won this raffle? By the way,

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Speaker 3: did we ever get any We never got any info

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Speaker 3: on that. Did you see any like and a half hour?

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Speaker 1: By the way?

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Speaker 5: Wow? Really?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Wow? Just one tonight.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Clay and we were talking, he was he

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00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: came up with an idea to go sit up on

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Speaker 3: the roof of our building and just see what you

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Speaker 3: could hear, because you can hear rams games really well.

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Speaker 4: So it's like we heard the show on the top

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Speaker 4: of the parking.

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Speaker 6: We left work on Thursday, and I could hear the

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Speaker 6: sound check I mean it sound quality is not great

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Speaker 6: from there, but it's something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great and an insane production. Like I

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Speaker 2: don't know how she does it. I have no idea

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Speaker 2: how she's doing it night after night.

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Speaker 1: All right? Anything else?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I have one thing developing news.

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Speaker 1: Boots on the ground. We mentioned the rams.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Rodrieg, who covers that team so well, she's been

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Speaker 2: all over the story helping figure out. Uh, we don't

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Speaker 2: call t shirt gate because we don't use gate around here,

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Speaker 2: but what is the who's responsible for? You know that shirt? Right,

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Speaker 2: let's flash that up again for the YouTube audience. Mentally

1126
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Speaker 2: and physically tough players who play smart and love to compete.

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00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 2: But there's and spelled out and then there's an amber

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Speaker 2: sand disaster.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's what Jordan had to tell me.

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Speaker 2: Huse, we've been kind of back and forth all week

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00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: on it. According to Jordan, both of Sean McVay quotes

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Speaker 2: Model the Way, which is the other shirt we saw

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Speaker 2: as a reminder to him and some of the vets

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Speaker 2: to walk the walk this year and get back to teaching,

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Speaker 2: where he's admitted he's gotten away from. He's admitted he

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00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: got away from living his other slogans we not me

1137
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera last season. Now, the shirt in question,

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Speaker 2: this was very interesting according to Jordan, and this isn't

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00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: hard reporting like this is just based on conversation she

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Speaker 2: has had. And I just want to make that very clear.

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00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: It's it's presented more as a leading theory gathered from

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00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: whispers around camp. Okay, that the shirt and the way

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00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: it's written, what is a syntax?

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00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 6: I mean even just choosing to put all those words

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00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 6: on the shirt, I'm counting them now. I think there's

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Speaker 6: twelve words. It's a lot of words, no traumas, mixed use.

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Speaker 2: Of Amber San's that's the way Sean McVay texts on

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Speaker 2: his phone. And the running theory according to Jordan, and

1150
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: this is not hard reporting, but just formulated on conversations

1151
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: is he texted whoever the assistant was to make the shirt,

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00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: and of course said that assistant, you know, would not

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00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: dare to deviate from the word of the initial text

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00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: from their boss. They just basically cut and pasted it

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00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: onto the T shirt design and that's how you end

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00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: up with.

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Speaker 1: This situation of it.

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Speaker 3: This is an a plus work by Jordan, not surprisingly,

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Speaker 3: I think a more empowered assistant. But you were assuming

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00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: the assistant is even caught by the end and the ampersan.

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00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 3: Maybe that's not in their world, but if you were,

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00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 3: you might want to go back to McVeigh and say,

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Speaker 3: I'm here to make you look good. Nerds out there,

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00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 3: who are you know, grammatical nerds are going to look

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00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: at the and the ampersan and be thrown by it.

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00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 3: Probably not all your players, some, but like you know,

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00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: some of them are also if it was.

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Speaker 1: A test by McVeigh to see if set assistant would

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Speaker 1: confront him or approach him, right, and it's being used,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm.

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Speaker 6: Not there, it's like sleeping way yes, man or woman. Uh,

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Speaker 6: it's not about the assistant. It's about that terrible text.

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Speaker 6: Because you can fix the and and the and and

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00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 6: there's no ampersand and it's still a mouthful that you

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Speaker 6: don't want on a T shirt.

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Speaker 5: It's a terrible T shirt. So it's all on McVeigh.

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Speaker 6: And I think if he wants to live, you know

1178
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 6: another slogan like how about take some responsibility, stand up

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00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 6: at the podium and say that's on me.

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Speaker 5: I didn't understand the game I was playing.

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Speaker 1: We're not far from mam. Maybe we got to get

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Speaker 1: up there right.

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Speaker 6: I didn't understand the T shirt game, and I made

1184
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Speaker 6: a mistake because I think it's ultimately.

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00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: Turned on the air conditioning, get the cargoing. Eric, we

1186
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: got a road trip. Also, have you ever done an

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00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: Amber sand On on text? You have to do like

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00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: the shift.

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Speaker 1: Down and five.

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Speaker 4: I've done him multiple times.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's something he sought out the amberd there.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think there's just something. The questions become

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00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: deeper and they become more disturbing.

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Speaker 6: Sean mcvayb being an All Caps Texter is the least

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Speaker 6: surprising news of the day. He's like, he's like Rhine Bould,

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00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 6: our friend at skuy on Twitter, just like all Caps All.

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Speaker 1: That's past.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's it. We'll be back Thursday with another show.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you check that out and.

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Speaker 1: Anything else.

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Speaker 3: Mark No, I think this was just an absolute delight

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Speaker 3: and a joy. Thank you to Aaron Schatz, Thank you

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00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 3: to Dan, thank you to Greg, thank you to Eric.

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Speaker 3: Behind the Glass, thank you everyone else behind the glass.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye. How about Parker, Parker