1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 2: you on a Friday night. Graham Nichols with us. An 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: English author as well as a lecturer and advisory board 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: member of the Rhine Research Center. He's a leading practitioner 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: and researcher into out of body experiences. He hit his 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: first OBE back in nineteen eighty seven, and they said 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: he's had some of the most acclaimed verified experiences on record. 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: His book is called Navigating the Out of Body Experience. Graham, 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: welcome to the program. 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 3: It's good to be here, Thank you, Good to. 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: Have you with us. How did you get involved in OBEs? 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: Well, they started for me spontaneously. I had a few 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: initial ones in nineteen eighty seven, as you mentioned, and 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 3: then from there I really became fascinated by the topic 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: and really wanted to learn how to do it for myself. 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 3: So I spent the next six months intensely working on it, 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 3: found a book on the subject, and spent every single night. 19 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: I was very obsessed for a teenager, but I really 20 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 3: really just wanted to learn how to do it, so 21 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: I tried these techniques every single night, and then eventually, 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 3: after six months, I had this intense kind of vault 23 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 3: of energy went through my body and I found myself 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: about six feet above my physical body looking back at myself. 25 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: Quite classic in that particular experience, there was a kind 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: of bluish energy to everything, bluish green energy. Yeah, it 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: only lasted a minute or so back then, but it 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: was enough to kind of the floodgates opened, and I 29 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: really wanted to learn everything I could then and have 30 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: been working with it ever since. 31 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: Really years ago, I did a lot of research into 32 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: obs on the work of Robert Monroe, Yeah crook all, 33 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: he would, Carrington, Sylvan Muldoon, some of the best people 34 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: in the world. I've never been able to perfect at Graham. 35 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: I had one obe when I was eleven years old. 36 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: I was in bed, stayed home from school, which was 37 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 2: a rarity for me, and I woke up and I'm 38 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: bouncing on the ceiling looking down at my body. I 39 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: woke up in my astral body, and at that moment, 40 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: it scared the heck out of me, and it ran 41 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: me back into my body, and you know, I had 42 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: that jarring effect, and then I was obsessed though, with 43 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: what had happened to me. I ended up going to 44 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: the library and found some of these books, and I 45 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: was obsessed with it. True, it's a remarkable thing, isn't it. 46 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: It really is. 47 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 3: You know, it transforms your life. It really is an 48 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: incredible thing, and just one experience can have that kind 49 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: of impact. So yeah, if you do learn to do 50 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: it more consistently, it is really really powerful. 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: Most of the people listening to you tonight, Graham, know 52 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: what or out of body experiences. But for the benefit 53 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 2: of those who do not tell them, what is it? 54 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: I would say, in my opinion, I tend to take 55 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: quite a scientific approach to things, So I would say 56 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: that I tend to see it as an extension of consciousness, 57 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: like you're shifting your consciousness away from the physical body, 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: not necessarily an astral body, although it could be. I 59 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: tend to keep an open mind about whether it's an 60 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: astral body or whether we're dealing with some kind of 61 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: larger consciousness or extended consciousness something like that. So I 62 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: tend to see it as the ability to shift our awareness, 63 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: our conscious awareness of ourselves, out of ourselves, like we're 64 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: almost like a living spirit. We can look around, move around, 65 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: travel over distances, go to different locations, those kinds of things. 66 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: So it's really an experience of existing as yourself fully 67 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 3: as yourself. It feels very much like you do in 68 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: your physical body, but you're just at another location and 69 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: able to move through things. You are invisible essentially most 70 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: of the time to other people, that kind of thing. 71 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a it's an experience of being like 72 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 3: a living spirit, is what I would say. 73 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: Can you do all be ease at will? 74 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: The at will question is always kind of interesting to 75 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: me because I try not to use that term because 76 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: I think it's help It can be unhelpful to people 77 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: trying to learn if they believe that it's as simple 78 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: as kind of flipping a switch. As you mentioned, you know, 79 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 3: in your own experience, you had an insue experience and 80 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: then you tried to sort of learn, and it was 81 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: much more difficult to do it in an intentional way. 82 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: So what I tend to say to people who are 83 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: learning and when I'm teaching this kind of thing is 84 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: that if the conditions are right, if you can, if 85 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 3: you can create a conducive scenario for the experience to unfold, 86 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 3: then then yes, I can do it consistently as long 87 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: as I have the right conditions, like being able to 88 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 3: relax fully or go into a light form of trance 89 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 3: state that kind of thing. So as long as I 90 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 3: can go through that process, then I can go into 91 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: the experience. But these days, I also tend to do 92 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: it when I feel most attuned that I can kind 93 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: of tell when it's the right time to work with 94 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: the experience. So I tend to look for those times 95 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: when it's absolutely the right time, because that tends to 96 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: be when I have the best. Most powerful and transformative experiences. 97 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: Are rut of body experiences like dying. 98 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: I think they are distinct. As I'm sure you know, 99 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: out of body experiences can be an aspect of neo 100 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 3: death experience, and many people have reported similar type phenomena, 101 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: But I think I think I would say that there 102 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: tends to be distinctions between the two things, between a 103 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: neo death experience and an out of body experience. So 104 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: I think an outbody experience tends to be different. It 105 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 3: doesn't tend to have things like the tunnel of light, 106 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: and it doesn't seem to be so much about crossing over. 107 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: It is much more about being in this reality or 108 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: possibly in an alternate reality, but not one associated with 109 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: an afterlife usually in the majority of cases. So I 110 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: would say it's different, and definitely if you do get 111 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: beyond any kind of fears that you might have, I 112 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: think then it can be a really beautiful and powerful experience. 113 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: Graham. 114 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 2: When people are in the out of body experience, what 115 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: do you call that out of body? What is your 116 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: a name for it? 117 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: I guess I would just call it the out of 118 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 3: body state or beyond the body, or just something like that. 119 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: I don't think. 120 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: It's an it's not the soure. 121 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: No. I tend to look at it as like I mentioned, 122 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: as your sort of consciousness that you can you can 123 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 3: connect your consciousness to a bigger system of consciousness if 124 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: you like. That tends to be how I look at it. 125 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: Tell us what you think the benefit of being in 126 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: the obe state would be? 127 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: Well, I think there's huge benefits to it, because if 128 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: you think about it, what what is the what are 129 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: the big questions of life? Like who are we? Why 130 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: are we? 131 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: Here? 132 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: Is their life after death? These kinds of questions? And 133 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: I think the out of body experience can answer that 134 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: in a way, or at least get to those questions 135 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: in a way that very little else can, because you 136 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: can have direct experience. If it is your soul or 137 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: if it is a spirit or something of that nature, 138 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: you are having direct experience of it. You're not reading 139 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: about it, you're not getting someone else's interpretation of it, 140 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: You're having your own direct experience of being in that situation, 141 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: in that state. I think it can be very life affirming, 142 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: it can be healing. I've encountered many scenarios of the 143 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: energy that's associated without a body experiences. I think is 144 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: quite similar to the energies people refer to when they 145 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: talk about reiki and different energy healing modalities and things 146 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: like that. So I think it can be a very 147 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: healing experience as well. And I think it can also 148 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 3: help to answer questions about what is really going on 149 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: in the world. Everybody's sort of curious about what really 150 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: is going on, and I think in a similar way 151 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 3: to remote viewing or something like that, it can allow 152 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: you to explore those questions directly. So yeah, I think 153 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: it's got a vast potential really well. 154 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: With Graham Nichols, this book is called Navigating the Out 155 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: of Body Experience. That's exactly what we're talking about, and 156 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 2: his website is linked up at coast tocoastam dot com. 157 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: Truly remarkable. People who are in the Obe state can 158 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: see just about anything. Have you seen the chord that's 159 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: supposed to connect the out of body with the physical body? 160 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: I haven't. Actually, in my own research and a lot 161 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: of the research that's available, a late researcher called Carlos 162 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: Alvaredo did a lot of studies and research to see 163 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 3: how common the silver cord is in descriptions, and actually 164 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: it's very a very small amount of people now. It 165 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: seems like in the past it was more commonly reported, 166 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: maybe because people were more aware of it, but it 167 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: seems as time has gone on, cord is less and 168 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 3: less reported. So in my personal experience, I haven't seen it, 169 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: and a lot of my students only report it, maybe 170 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 3: like in less than one percent, I would say, And 171 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: as I mentioned in the research, it seems to be 172 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: between that the highest incident seems to be about ten percent, 173 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: but it tends to be reported more in the range 174 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 3: of one to four percent of people. So yeah, it's 175 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: not as common as people tend to think. 176 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 177 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot 178 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: com for more