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Speaker 1: You guys ready for this?

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: The former chief engineer for death Bro Records said something

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Speaker 3: on a Tupac forum in twenty fourteen that said Tupac

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Speaker 3: told him he was vying for the role of Mace

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Speaker 3: Windu in Star Wars episode one.

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Speaker 4: Hey everybody, this is T. S. R.

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Speaker 5: Car, the voice of Sabine Wren Specter five, and you

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Speaker 5: are listening to Pod of Rebellion, and we're.

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Speaker 4: So thrilled for you to be here with us.

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Speaker 5: I am not alone with me.

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Speaker 2: I've got what's up? What's up?

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Speaker 6: It sounded a bit like an MPR at the beginning

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Speaker 6: of MPR, it was very nice, always worked into a trance.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if that's Taylor gray Asbridge you respector

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Speaker 6: and with us we have?

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Speaker 5: And what's up? Everybody?

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Speaker 7: It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Dula Specter number two.

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Speaker 8: And today we are also joined by.

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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's your friendly neighborhood moderator John Ley Brody,

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Speaker 1: and today we're going over Star Wars Rebel season two,

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Speaker 1: episode fourteen, Legends of the Lessaque. But first, as always,

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Speaker 1: it's family checking time. How is everybody doing?

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Speaker 5: I thought I was fine, but apparently I'm a little loopy.

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Speaker 2: I'm hitting my like natural. I had this since I

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Speaker 2: was young.

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Speaker 6: Now I have like the understanding of it, like it's

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Speaker 6: a seasonal depression. It's like it gets so dark so early,

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Speaker 6: and I genuinely, no matter where I've lived, whether in

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Speaker 6: the States somewhere, I'm like this time November, I'm just like, well,

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's gonna get dark early. Today's they're gonna

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Speaker 6: be what they're gonna be. But there's been very positive

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Speaker 6: things in the worldly. So it's that's how being lifted up.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it's well said. Also, I totally agree.

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Speaker 5: The day after Daylight Savings, I daylight saving right, Sorry,

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Speaker 5: I looked out the window and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 5: it's it's already nighttime. I was like working on something.

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Speaker 5: I was like, oh it starting nighttime five twenty nine pm.

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Speaker 5: I was like, oh no, it's that time of year.

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Speaker 5: I want. I love when it's like light until eight

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Speaker 5: thirty and it's warm outside, and said, this is not

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Speaker 5: my season, this is not my jam. But you know what,

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Speaker 5: it's fine because good things are happening in the world

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Speaker 5: and it's thrilling.

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Speaker 1: So yes, it is, yes, but that'sa how are you doing?

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Speaker 8: Doing great all as well? Yeah, happy to be here.

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Speaker 8: Good to see you guys always.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, John, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna thank you for asking. Okay, I gotta say this.

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Speaker 1: We didn't get to talk about this yet, obviously, but

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Speaker 1: Tia your Halloween costume as Tupakshakor. Now. I had three reactions,

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Speaker 1: and the order is this. I was scrolling through, as

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Speaker 1: one does on Instagram. I'm like, oh wow, that is

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Speaker 1: a great two box your core costume. Second reaction, I

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Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, that's TEA. Third reaction was did

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Speaker 1: you anyone hear it was better than Coachella? Let me

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Speaker 1: tell you. But the third reaction was did anyone ever

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Speaker 1: watch that show? A different world? Yeah? It was one

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Speaker 1: like Jasmine Guy and Dwayne Way. So in the later seasons,

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Speaker 1: when Jada Pinkett joins the cast, Tupac Shakur makes a

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Speaker 1: guest cameo as like.

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Speaker 5: That's what led them to date?

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Speaker 1: A uh huh yeah, and his whole entrance and that.

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Speaker 1: So I was mimicking what everyone said. When Tupac showed up,

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Speaker 1: I was like, play. That was my third reaction, this

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Speaker 1: is your Tupac ossume.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I was interest.

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Speaker 1: It was so good, and I'm a huge Tupac fan.

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Speaker 1: When I first got my license, I was always blasting

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Speaker 1: California love or hit him up because I thought I

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Speaker 1: was hard in the suburbs of Chicago. Yeah, in my

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Speaker 1: fifty I mean.

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Speaker 5: You were at least in the suburbs of Chicago. I

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Speaker 5: stilliam Tupac's number one fan and I will die on

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Speaker 5: this hill that he's the goat Taylor, do you have.

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Speaker 4: Anything to say about that?

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Speaker 6: Guys, I'm Southern California. I was bumping it with everyone

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Speaker 6: else who bumped it the biggest.

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Speaker 2: I think Tubac is the greatest. Do love, Biggie.

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Speaker 6: It's a tough one winning right here, and but also

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Speaker 6: Kendrick because me so, but I'm right or die so

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Speaker 4: Do we agree on something for one.

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Speaker 8: I'm freaking out.

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Speaker 5: I've never been more comfortable in Halloween costume. Usually my

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Speaker 5: Halloween costumes are you know, I'm cold and I'm wearing

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Speaker 5: I was freaking a lot of people out, as I

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Speaker 5: probably freaked you John. Yeah, everyone that was at the

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Speaker 5: it's you, which also felt good.

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Speaker 1: It was so good though, and I was like wow,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if I've ever seen I just

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: My first word association is in ts R. Carr. But

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Speaker 5: That is an association I will be very proud to

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Speaker 4: Also, you guys, full disclosure. I cannot get.

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Speaker 5: I can't get the thug life temporary tattoo good.

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Speaker 6: I had to get this for a lot of jobs,

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Speaker 6: and I've scrubbed where it starts bleeding.

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Speaker 5: Like how do you get them?

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Speaker 4: What's the uh it's like.

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Speaker 6: Nail polish, yeah, running on stuff. But then genuinely, don't

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Speaker 6: use anything scrubbing. Use like your finger and it will

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Speaker 6: come up like the yah of your finger.

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Speaker 5: and I'm like, oh right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh hit him up all right? But yes, tupac Lego

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Speaker 1: lyrical genius. And there's a new biography out about him

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Speaker 1: written by Jeff Pearlman, who I'm friendly with. He wrote

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Speaker 1: this great biography about bo Jackson. He's done a lot

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Speaker 1: of great sports biographies. He just did won a Tupac Shakur.

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Speaker 1: The title of it escased me. I'm sorry, Jeff, but

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Speaker 1: a little shameless plug for you, my friend, because I need.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be on my, like my holiday reading

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Speaker 1: list for sure. I'm gonna check it out.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for that absolutely so great stocking stuffer for all

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Speaker 1: of you all. If you uh, you know what says

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Speaker 1: I love you and Merry Christmas and happy Holidays more

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Speaker 1: than a Tupac Shakur biography. Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you

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Speaker 1: gonna get any emails about that. All right, So shall

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Speaker 1: we jump into this episode of Star Wars our bulls.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we can just make it a Tupac episode.

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Speaker 4: I'm I mean, how much time do you have?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean we got we got the hours, so lot.

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Speaker 1: We should maybe do like a remix of one of

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Speaker 1: Side of the Moon, what if there's like a Tupacs

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Speaker 1: on that sinks up perfectly with like a Star Wars episode.

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Speaker 2: Like that would make Rebels even cooler, I know, even cooler.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, Twitter Verse and you know the Internet, all

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Speaker 5: of you wonderful listeners out there. Everyone's so creative and thoughtful,

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Speaker 5: and somebody, somebody out there has got to be like, oh,

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Speaker 5: it's this song and it's this episode. Please let us know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see like when ez Rick gets on

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Speaker 5: I want like a deeper cut, like like Brenda's got

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Speaker 5: oh no, we feel differently about Harara having that baby.

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Speaker 5: Even this might be a very niche for some of

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Speaker 5: our listeners who are young perhaps or not. What we're

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Speaker 5: listening to Tupac and Piggie.

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Speaker 6: And we really cover a widespread I think about it.

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Speaker 6: They're not they're not things that often go together, which

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Speaker 5: When that then diagram overlaps, there's nothing better. When when

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Speaker 5: I get like a message being like I love whatever.

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Speaker 5: Let's just say the Longhorns just as an idea.

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Speaker 6: I don't think there's a long horned Tupac Star Wars

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Speaker 6: fan outside of you.

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Speaker 4: It's me, oh.

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Speaker 5: Outside of me. Hey, if you are a Longhorn fan,

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Speaker 5: slash Star Wars fan, stash Tupuc fan, please add at me,

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Speaker 5: because I really want to know.

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Speaker 4: Then there'll be.

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Speaker 8: Two of us.

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Speaker 6: If these cricket sounds, I would right now.

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Speaker 4: They're out there. I know you are, let me know.

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Speaker 5: Let us go.

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Speaker 1: Glen Powell, I bet you that's you. I bet that's

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Speaker 1: Glenn Powell because I know he's a long Horns fan.

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Speaker 5: He was in the game.

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Speaker 1: And McConaughey say, will hold on, hold on long hone

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Speaker 1: and I love Masta War. So here we go, all right,

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Speaker 1: So Larry Scot's get into the recap of Season two,

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Speaker 1: episode fourteen, Legends of the Lisade original air date February third,

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Ezra, like Antonio Benders in two thousand and six,

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Speaker 1: Gron and Chad are the wise Zeb's people. Azra's intel

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Speaker 1: and Zeb is a captain. As the group makes their exit,

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Speaker 1: they see that Hondo, like Rick James, is an habitual

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Speaker 1: The crew barely makes your escape and sets course for

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Speaker 1: lear Song. Only problem is mythical places like Learisan aren't

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Speaker 1: the ritual that fulfills the prophecy of the Fool, the

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Speaker 1: Child and the Warrior that Lerisong could be revealed. But

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Speaker 1: Zeb is very skeptical through it all and claims Lerisan

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Speaker 1: But thanks to Ezra, he's able to realize that while

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Speaker 1: leans into the Lassat ritual and the location of Lerisan

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Speaker 1: Channing Tatum, gets the step up by embracing this Lasot's

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Speaker 1: Like the ancient ones, the ghost is able to power

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Speaker 1: Legends at the Lissa Rah is the.

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Speaker 2: Very first reference Internio Banderi.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't get that one either.

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Speaker 1: He was in a dance movie called Take the Lead

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Speaker 1: and this is what as this is as Antonio was

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Speaker 1: But he us it was one of those more obscure

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Speaker 1: Mary deep cut New Benders movies. Yeah, I like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: both him and Channing Tatum both at dance movies. That

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Speaker 1: your Channing Tatam of course had Step Up, and then

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Speaker 1: Antonio Benderis had take the lead. We all know which

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I remember running around the living room. I

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Speaker 2: It's it's got to be so fun.

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Speaker 6: How much like movies influenced that because I would never

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Speaker 4: But Step Up, Step Up is a great movie.

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Speaker 1: It is a really good movie.

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Speaker 5: So many of those dance movies are under locking.

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Speaker 2: In the mirror.

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Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, I missed that era of movies, like

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Speaker 5: Dump the Yard. Yes that isn't that I.

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Speaker 1: Think so, But we can. We can we can double

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Speaker 4: Okay delete delete that's if I'm wrong, please all right.

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Speaker 1: So initial, this would have been a great episode to

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Speaker 1: have Steve on, But I know, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: I think he's kind of along the same wavelength as you, Taylor.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like he did it and then he

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Speaker 1: moves on. But we should just get Steve back anyway

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Speaker 5: I don't know, I feel like he yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I feel like he anyway, even if we don't talk

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Speaker 5: he has He's so entertaining and fun to talk to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe if they have to the episode again and

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Speaker 1: I don't think I could say, hey, do you remember

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Speaker 1: the thing where you had in the bull rifle? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, he probably like vaguely, but I think maybe

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Speaker 1: if he watched it, then maybe that'll unlock some key

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that'd be good.

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Speaker 1: That could be fun.

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Speaker 4: I thought this was a really cool episode.

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Speaker 5: I remembered it, but I didn't remember I remembered it

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Speaker 5: on a macro level, but I didn't remember the details.

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Speaker 5: And I just I mean, I think my feelings about

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Speaker 5: pretty clear, and I think all of you guys agree.

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Speaker 5: But he's just so good, Like I just love him

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Speaker 5: getting more screen time, and he's just so good at

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Speaker 4: Deliver all of these I mean.

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Speaker 5: He's so zeb is so funny, but also then having

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Speaker 5: these opportunities to like dig a little deeper and you know,

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Speaker 4: I just want more, you know, I.

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Speaker 8: Felt the same. I also I loved Gray Delisle.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's great.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, she was amazing, so great, And I thought last

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Speaker 7: night I had a crazy night.

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Speaker 8: Technical stuff. I think Mercury's in retrograde or something's going on.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Anyway, but I finally got around to looking at the

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Speaker 7: epsille like, oh this one.

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Speaker 8: I thought about texting her last night and going, what

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Speaker 8: are you doing tomorrow?

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Speaker 7: Like yeah, but I know her con schedule is insaying

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Speaker 7: she's probably on a plane going somewhere. But I would

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Speaker 7: love to speak to her because it was she really

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Speaker 7: like we didn't know that zeb was such a high

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Speaker 7: of that. How what it was like for her to

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Speaker 7: come down And she's been in a million other Star

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Speaker 7: you guys remember them being there to record this or

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Speaker 2: I only remember chanting with Oh. I remember I remembering

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Speaker 6: Like, just do what they do, and I was like, okay,

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Speaker 6: like that's the only part of this episode I remember.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, interesting.

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Speaker 5: Oh sorry, sorry, I'll be sorry. I didn't want to interrupt.

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Speaker 5: I'd to opened this store and so sorry, it's okay.

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Speaker 8: That was the cutest picture.

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Speaker 6: Into the day, was like, uh, it was they were

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Speaker 2: And so I just remember them chanting and trying.

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Speaker 5: It was like so meta, like you were like, what's

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Speaker 2: That like a lot of things with.

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Speaker 5: Like literally he was like, yeah, you are you as

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Speaker 5: I mean, Ezra also doesn't have any idea what's supposed

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think she was there briefly, and I felt

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Speaker 7: of that because I didn't have any lines per se

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Speaker 8: Part or something. I'm not sure, but yeah.

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Speaker 7: And also did you notice Callous was talking to himself

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wrote that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I was like, was that.

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Speaker 4: Storm trip stormtrooper David o' yellow?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I noticed that, and I was it was another d

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Speaker 1: You do have a hang on.

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Speaker 5: I wrote that down too, Yeah, somewhere that was.

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Speaker 2: A good catch.

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Speaker 6: Also, I like that we now have recurring things. Was

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Speaker 6: her name chalm or Charms, Java, Chava. She understood Chopper.

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Speaker 6: Chopper said something and she was like she was like

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Speaker 5: But she specifically isn't she kind of a woman? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's cool, it's cool to see that kind of Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I liked that a lot.

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Speaker 6: I like how all of the art in the show,

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Speaker 6: like when people draw, including city and it's like chalk.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no medium.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh no, she has a I have a spray. Yeah, also,

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Speaker 5: you know, I really wanted to ask I should have

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Speaker 5: asked Henry this, but or did I No, I don't

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Speaker 5: think I did. Like it must have been so fun

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Speaker 5: to write dialogue for Hondo. Oh no, I did.

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Speaker 4: I did ask him.

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Speaker 5: I like who improvised the most, because watching this episode,

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Speaker 5: I'm like, there's no way that a lot of that

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Speaker 5: was scripted. He just he just has this like amazing

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Speaker 4: He's so good.

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Speaker 5: Honda is just such a such a treat to watch, Uh,

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Speaker 9: I noticed his sniffs a lot. Yeah, you kind of

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Speaker 9: punctuate something. I don't believe that was written. I was like,

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Speaker 9: what a nice touch to add the little sniff.

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Speaker 5: So good, and then they and then they animate to it,

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Speaker 4: It's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the other reason I referenced Rick James

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Speaker 8: But I also like the animation, the violins and the music.

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Speaker 7: I thought the there were so many unique uh moments

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Speaker 7: I didn't recall sort of when we're going through hyperspace

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Speaker 7: trying to remember if we've heard violins like that.

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Speaker 8: I don't believe.

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't even violin. I'm glad you brought that.

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Speaker 1: It was a violin. It was like a solo instrument

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Speaker 1: in this grandiose moment, which because like a solo instrument

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Speaker 1: him in this grand space. I used to I was

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Speaker 1: classical music, and it reminded me very much like Johan

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Speaker 1: Sebastian Buck and the Baroque era. He's very much about

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Speaker 1: minimalism and when you're minimalist, or just like when you

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Speaker 1: It's like what's not on the screen is really going

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Speaker 1: I love that choice and I would love to get

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Speaker 1: Kevin Kiner on some time to be like, what kind

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Speaker 1: of discussion was it to choose like one singular violin

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Speaker 1: in that black hole? And I just thought that was

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Speaker 1: so cool. I'm so glad you brought that up. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It would be really cool to have camera.

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Speaker 6: I've been blown away by the music throughout, Like I

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Speaker 6: I'm so I guess because we don't get to hear

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Speaker 6: it every episode is incredible.

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Speaker 2: And then I do have a question for JC.

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Speaker 6: My Star Wars education and my PhD in Stars has

439
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 6: not gone to this point yet when they talk about

440
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 6: the outer rim wild space, could you give me the

441
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 6: two minute ted X talk on like where, because I

442
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 6: don't know in the movies that they necessarily really map

443
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 6: it out, and I've seen in different shows. I think

444
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 6: I remember seeing something like Skeleton Crew they like show it,

445
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 6: or they'll show on a big map like Okay, this

446
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 6: is further out, but like, what exactly does that entail

447
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 6: when there's like outer rim wild space.

448
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

449
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: Making that makes sense would be nice.

450
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 7: Now the uncharted territory, I love it says that now

451
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 7: that this is charted, we can come back here.

452
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 8: That was really sweet, but also it punctuated the fact

453
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 8: that they were in the unknown or the wild wester

454
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 8: what did you call it? Wild spaces?

455
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, wild space. I think at least that I wrote down,

456
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 2: it could just be me.

457
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like it, I buy it.

458
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Yeah. So to go back with Zeb

459
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: and also Steve, you know this kind of fiells. Remember

460
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: when the inquisitor siblings show up and then Zeb steps up,

461
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: because at that point we don't know a whole lot

462
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 1: about him, so we're kind of like, oh, maybe he

463
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 1: just used to being the number two or the number three,

464
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 1: but then we find out no, he was the guy

465
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: at some point. So now it's this whole layer of

466
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: was this like a reluctant greatness or him running from

467
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: his natural greatness but now like coming to terms with

468
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: what happened in the past, and almost kind of transcending it.

469
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: So it's like he had this sort of wounded king

470
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 1: archetype this whole time, but now he's like, oh now

471
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: I feel it won that whole fool child and spirit

472
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: spiritual oneness. I just feel like that arc within twenty

473
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: two minutes of healing Zeb, but now he's on the

474
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: path to healing. I just thought that was so cool.

475
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: And I know the we talk a lot about philosophy.

476
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: I would love to just kind of hear your thoughts

477
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: and that sort of character expansion and where Zeb is

478
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: going from like here on out.

479
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 7: Well maybe a question for JC and I'm not sure,

480
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 7: but this these archetypes of the fool, the warrior, and

481
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 7: the child.

482
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 8: I was trying to play some I was like, well, the.

483
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 7: Fool is definitely Hondo because sniff sniff, he's right there, right,

484
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 7: I think, I don't know, But then and I thought

485
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 7: the warrior was Zeb, but then he's the child.

486
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 8: I was a little confused.

487
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 7: And is that some sort of known archetypal structure in

488
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 7: storytelling that was just sort of placed onto this or

489
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 7: that was something unique to just this this episode.

490
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 8: I'm I mean, I've heard mythic.

491
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: If I may to me My interpretation was he was

492
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: all three.

493
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, ultimately.

494
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Shunrio Suzuki's don Buddhism. So because Shunrio Suzuki

495
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: is all about shoshin the beginner's mind, which is when

496
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: you're a beginner and you're new, you're open to everything,

497
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: but then when you become an expert, you're kind of like, no,

498
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: this is the only way to do it. And the

499
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: key is the balance those two things. So Zab needs

500
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: the embodiment of the warrior, of the naivete fool, but

501
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: also the child who has like faith in wonder and

502
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: thinks nothing's impossible, Like he had to realize he had

503
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: to do all three. That was my interpretation. Maybe there's

504
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: a deeper thing with Star Wars, but yeah, that's how

505
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: I interpreted it.

506
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got that he was all three ultimately, But

507
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 7: I didn't know if you guys wondered, you know that

508
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 7: if it might be hand or this or that, or

509
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 7: what your thought process was, or or you just sort

510
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 7: of let it unfold to where she revealed that he

511
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 7: is both the child and the warrior and also the fool.

512
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 5: I don't know, uh, did she reveal that he did

513
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 5: she reveal that he's all three, because I thought that

514
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 5: she only sort of clude him in on the fact

515
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 5: that he's the child, and he was quite you.

516
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 8: Know, I thought it was the child and the warrior.

517
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 5: Well then wouldn't it make sense that he's all three.

518
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 8: That's I don't know, We're gonna have to like send JC.

519
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, my biggest negro was he was a captain.

520
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was I loved that moment because, you know,

521
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 5: we often are. I feel like Zeb is often like

522
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 5: the Jester, the you know, the muscle, but also like

523
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 5: the source of all the comedy.

524
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

525
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 4: No, but and so to to learn that about him and.

526
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 5: His past and it kind of just gives him, I

527
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 5: don't know, like adds a weight and a gravitas to

528
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 5: him that obviously I don't mean physically, but just like you,

529
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 5: it's like respect for I had forgotten that part and

530
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, that's right. I love that.

531
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So I think Vanessa, back to what you

532
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: were saying, I think we're meant to think that way,

533
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: trying to piece that puzzle together, just like zebis. It's

534
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: almost like we're in Zeb's shoes throughout the whole thing.

535
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: So he thinks, well, I'm the warrior. It's like, no,

536
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to be the warrior. And then the whole

537
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: thing as you just like, well, you're kind of acting

538
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: like a child. So it was that whole thing which

539
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: I thought was the fun you know, breath of the

540
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: banter right there. And then there's a point where he

541
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: thinks that she's saying that callous is the warriors, like, wait,

542
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: he's the warrior, like I thought I was the warrior.

543
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: And then that it's in that moment before he grabs

544
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: the bow rifle, he's like, oh wait, I'm missing the point.

545
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: It's a matter of like all those things are within me.

546
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: So I think that's really so for you to say,

547
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: like ask, did we think it was this then and

548
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: the other? I think that's what we're all meant to think.

549
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: And then we all realize along with Zeb that no,

550
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's looking internally as opposed to externally.

551
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 7: I wrote down the child saves the warrior and the

552
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 7: fool like she said that, but I could be wrong

553
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 7: she does.

554
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

555
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: I think she did say that.

556
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: But it's that that goes back to the shuinrio suzukis

557
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: and Buddhism. The beginner's mind is going to supplement the

558
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: expert mind, but the expert mind will make sure that

559
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: the beginner's mind doesn't go too far off the being

560
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: path because of the naivete. So it's always that constant

561
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: jinyang balance, which is the force or ashla in this case.

562
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, so let's talk about that. That was really cool,

563
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 7: the ashla. That's a new term. I hadn't heard that.

564
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 7: I don't know.

565
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like it's kind of like how we

566
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 6: talk about religion or various things like the forces in

567
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 6: so many different ways and in so many different stories,

568
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 6: in different forms, but it all represents something similar enough

569
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 6: to each person depending on.

570
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: How they want to call it.

571
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 6: So I thought it was like a cool not lesson,

572
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 6: but I thought it was a cool way that they

573
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 6: tackled that, Like, yeah, ashlarized the force and the forces intuition,

574
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 6: and intuition is heart and all these things can be

575
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 6: summed up in however you would like to, if you

576
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 6: if you feel it.

577
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like look what we just said, Halloween.

578
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: Recently here we called Halloween, but you go to like Mexaco,

579
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: they have the Day of the Dead. There's other ways

580
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: that people celebrate Halloween and what it means. But ultimately

581
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: there's similarities, like different but same sort of thing. Uh.

582
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: Just like, look, you just touched on religion, Taylor. It's

583
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: like to me, it's like the label's one thing, but

584
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: it's like, if you believe in these principles, then that's

585
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: what it is, and that's what the force is. If

586
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: you call it Ashla, if you call it the Force, great,

587
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: as long as you believe in these principles, that's really

588
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: the core of what matters, which is really what shines

589
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: through in this episode. It didn't matter if it was

590
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: Ashlar or the Force or whatever. He just Zeb tapped

591
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: into that oneness to get them to where accrutiny to be,

592
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: but also where he needed to be mentally or ruh,

593
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: all right and I really.

594
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: In here prophecy Hondos. Great.

595
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I'll leave with this with lyris On because

596
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: one him thinking is the mythological place. But then they

597
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: get there and I think one I thought of Themyscira

598
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: wonder woman's place, you know, home where you you have

599
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: to know where to look in order to get there.

600
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: So there's that mythological aspect of it, but it's also

601
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: Zeb finding lyris On is also him finding his true self.

602
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: So it's like they found the physical place, but he

603
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: tucked away his true self and the sense almost like

604
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: he put the warrior or the captain Zeb part of

605
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: him in like the sunken place. I can get out,

606
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: but now give them a lyris on. It's like healing

607
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: and knowing that he's not alone the galaxy, like there

608
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: are others, and then he can help his people again

609
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: because he knows where to take them. But also like

610
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: it's like his mind is is one again and that's

611
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: why like this is like where the healing begins for

612
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: Zeb or from here on out we get like the

613
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: true like in Zeb's already awo, but he's gonna be

614
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: even more awesome because he's embracing his true self if

615
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: that makes sense.

616
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, agreed, But I just this is maybe a silly question.

617
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 5: But Zeb believes up until this episode, does he not

618
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 5: believe that he's the last Lassatte.

619
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: I think he thinks he's the last one. Like yeah, and.

620
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 5: So that moment where you know they they've got like

621
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 5: the the people or the what is it refugees that

622
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 5: are coming out of the crate or the containership and container. Gosh, guys.

623
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry. I don't know what's happening to me.

624
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 5: The container thingy, And I mean that that that moment

625
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 5: is like so significant, right, Like you think you're the

626
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 5: last human on earth and then two other humans come

627
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 5: out of nowhere, and I mean, that's.

628
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: Happens to me every morning I wake up.

629
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I just think that's that's a

630
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 4: really significant moment.

631
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 5: And you know, it's it's it's sad. It's like bittersweet

632
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 5: because Zeb's gone however many years or decades, believing that

633
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: he's the last of it, of his kind, and then

634
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 5: for him to get to like for him to learn

635
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: that that's not true and that there's so many more,

636
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 5: which is so encouraging and beautiful.

637
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: But what does he say at the very end?

638
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 5: He says, I wish I'd written it down, you know,

639
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 5: he says a release, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna just

640
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna.

641
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 4: Take off you guys, take care.

642
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 5: I know why did I bring up the line? And

643
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 5: I don't know what the line is. Somebody out there

644
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 5: listening knows exactly what I'm talking about, you get it.

645
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 4: It was really beautiful. I'm so sorry.

646
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 5: I didn't write it down so that I could actually

647
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 5: sound like I know what I'm talking about.

648
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: None of us are just throwing her a life around.

649
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: No nobody, not a one.

650
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 7: Thank you.

651
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I have no idea.

652
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 6: I have no idea. My last note is we fueled

653
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 6: him with the force. I don't even know what that means.

654
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 6: I have zero clue. It says imploated star cluster. We

655
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 6: fueled him with the force. I have zero clue.

656
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: That means.

657
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 4: That sounds cool, sounds right.

658
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 5: I also don't know what you.

659
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 6: Mean when I think back to what you said the

660
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 6: last line, he says, it's real.

661
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: Okay, well what we all know what you mean? I mean,

662
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: like I can't. I can't quote it for batim and

663
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: I usually and I'm kind of ashamed of myself that

664
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: I can't, But like, I know what you mean. It's

665
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: like he's coming to terms of the whole thing. It's

666
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: almost like what I think about is that grin on

667
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: his face where it's like there were so many down

668
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: there and like now I know where I can take them,

669
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: and you know, uh, and he knows that, like it's

670
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: always going to be there for him. So I mean,

671
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: to me, it's like, I think we all got the

672
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: message of it. As far as the actual dialogue. Maybe

673
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: JC will be able to pull it up.

674
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 5: But yeah, JC, please save me per usual. But yes,

675
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 5: the last moment of this episode was so touching, and

676
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 5: that's what I have to say about.

677
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: That touching that.

678
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 5: Oh dear, Okay, I'm gonna be really honest. I watched

679
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 5: this episode on accident before the last time that we

680
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 5: recorded our podcast, and so it's a little rusty in

681
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 5: my mind because I had done it. It was like

682
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 5: extra credit, and I realized when we were doing our

683
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 5: last records that I had watched one too many episodes.

684
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 4: So that's why that's why I don't remember. I'm sorry, fair.

685
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: Enough, I've done that a couple of weeks in it.

686
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 6: It goes out the door in a week, but the

687
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 6: at the beginning episode when you refresh as that is

688
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 6: always very helpful.

689
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, good agreed. Well, speaking of getting maybe we'll

690
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: get a refresher course and also just a learning course,

691
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: because I think that's a national segue for JC to

692
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: save us. So, Jac, what do we got for fact

693
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: check today? And is it going to be more or

694
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: less than an hour?

695
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: I didn't have much for this coming in. I still

696
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: don't have a ton. I will go in reverse order

697
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: and throw to a life wrath, which is and if

698
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 3: we meet any other lassat, I will show them the way.

699
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 4: Thank you.

700
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 5: Yes, how beautiful is that touching? Touching? It was touching.

701
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 5: It was really touching, so touching that I forgot what

702
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 5: he said, but I remembered how I felt, how it

703
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 5: made me feel. And that's what's important, right.

704
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 8: That's what matters.

705
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Speaker 3: Thanks jac Just a couple other things, Taylor up top.

706
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: You mentioned seasonal depression. I just pulled some facts on

707
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Speaker 3: seasonal depression because it was a thin fact check episode

708
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Speaker 3: for me. You mentioned you're in La Local, La has

709
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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty six clear days a year, one

710
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 3: hundred and six partly cloudy days, and only seventy three

711
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: cloudy days, contrasted by Cold Bay, Alaska, which has the

712
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: least number of clear days per year at ten.

713
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: Oh wow, gosh.

714
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Speaker 3: Fifty partly cloudy and three hundred and four.

715
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Speaker 2: Cloudy wow oh.

716
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Speaker 3: The worst in the contiguous United States is Mount Washington,

717
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: New Hampshire, forty four clear days, seventy seven partly cloudy,

718
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: and two hundred and forty four cloudy days a year.

719
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Speaker 5: Forty four clear sunny day out of three sixty fives.

720
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Speaker 8: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think your case for seasonal depression

722
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 5: just went out the door.

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Speaker 3: Taylor, Well, you're in the right spot. If you suffer

724
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 3: from it, you're not going to get much better. I

725
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: think tempe Arizona is a little bit better than Los

726
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: Angeles in terms of clear days. We talked about Tupac.

727
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: H you guys ready for this. Yes, the former chief

728
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: engineer for death Bro Records named Rick Clifford did a

729
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: something on a TUPOC said something on a TUPAC forum

730
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen that said Tupac told him he was

731
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Speaker 3: vying for the role of Mace winduh Star Wars episode one.

732
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 3: WHOA Prior to his death in nineteen ninety six, he

733
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 3: told the engineer he was going to be auditioning for

734
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: three movies. One of them was going to be for

735
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 3: George Lucas h No way. That was from an Indie

736
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Speaker 3: Wire article from twenty fourteen.

737
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 5: WHOA Why?

738
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Speaker 6: I mean, I believe it that dude could have done anything,

739
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 6: but that would have been wild so crazy.

740
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 7: WHOA.

741
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 5: I've never Jason, I've never heard.

742
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Speaker 6: That that's an incredible fact check. Wow, packed up the

743
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 6: fact check.

744
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: That is what, Jasey, you must have when you Did

745
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 5: you already know that or did you find that?

746
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 4: Actually, don't tell me you already knew it was in

747
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: your brain?

748
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 5: Were you not? Like, Oh my god, I'm about to

749
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 5: blow these people's minds.

750
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: I was pretty excited to tell you that Tupac was

751
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 3: almost in Star Wars.

752
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: What could have been?

753
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: This is where you cross over them in diagram. You're

754
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: in Star Wars and Tuba.

755
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 6: Well, I wonder how many people of note have auditioned

756
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 6: for Star Wars that aren't in Star Wars that it

757
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 6: would have really changed it.

758
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: I know for certain because he was a friend of mine,

759
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: the late Paul Walker audition for Annakin. So do you

760
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: know that?

761
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: I bet? I bet there's a whole category of that

762
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 2: for Anakin.

763
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Speaker 1: And he was a huge Star Wars like Paul was

764
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: like one of the biggest Star Wars nerds like I'd

765
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: ever met. If he were still here, he would have

766
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: gladly been on this podcast and nerd out with us

767
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: for like three hours just about Star Wars. So he

768
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: was a he was a Star Wars guy and he

769
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: led World of Warcraft. He was like a big computer gamer,

770
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: so yeah, he was a lot of the nerdy stuff.

771
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: I can't get a over how all of the hippest,

772
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: coolest teen stars from my era of like the nineties,

773
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Speaker 3: like their characters would beat up their real life people

774
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: like Paul Walker and She's all that would definitely beat

775
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: up Paul Walker in real Well, Paul Walker in Varsity

776
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 3: Blues would definitely beat up Paul Walker.

777
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 6: I'm throwing a flag on that because Freddy in real

778
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 6: life would beat up all of his characters.

779
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the other thing. Paul Walker was actually a

780
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: brown belt in jiu jitsu, So I'm gonna say I'm

781
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: not going to agree with that Paul Walker would choke

782
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: out all of his characters a conversation with Freddy. I

783
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: know what you mean, but like Paul Walker wasn't the best.

784
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're naming actors that he was, like if he's

785
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 6: got jiu jitsu with him or if he would beat them,

786
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 6: and it was maybe the funniest coversation whatever.

787
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 4: Wait, did he admit to what?

788
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's someone in LA it was.

789
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 5: It was hilarious, you know what I'm saying. Did he

790
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 5: admit that he might lose to any of them. Probably not.

791
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: Fine, it's too good.

792
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 5: That's amazing.

793
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: Matthew Lillard right in Scream and all those all those

794
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 3: nineties movies, and he is like the biggest Dungeons and

795
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: Dragons nerd. It's so crazy to me being a nerd

796
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: from that era and looking at the cool guys on

797
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: the movies and now, you know, twenty five years later,

798
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, you guys were all like me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't that have been nice to know?

801
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: Then?

802
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: Yes? It was.

803
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Speaker 4: If Paul Walker might have just said, like, I love

804
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Speaker 4: D and D.

805
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 5: Well, he's like the biggest and the biggest heart throb

806
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 5: in the world. Yeah, well, oh yeah, do so loves

807
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 5: D and D Like that doesn't surprise me. That's I

808
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 5: don't know why. I can't explain it.

809
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Speaker 1: Vin was in the world World of Warcraft too. He

810
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: used to play online like with this group. Uh so

811
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Speaker 1: he was. He was big into that. I think he

812
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: still is interesting.

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Speaker 3: I mean, at least Henry Cavill, right, beautiful Henry Cavill

814
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Speaker 3: in today's day and age is like the biggest Warhammer guy,

815
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: the biggest Witcher guy. He is the biggest nerd in

816
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Speaker 3: the world.

817
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: Really yeah, and he talks about it. He talks about that.

818
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 5: I mean maybe like when you're you know, Henry cavill

819
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Speaker 5: I mean, like who's gonna who's gonna deny his like

820
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Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't want to say Michies because

821
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 5: I hate that word, but like or what it represents,

822
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 5: but like his manliness, so he I feel like he

823
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 5: has he hope, I hope feels like perfectly comfortable being like, yeah,

824
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 5: I love video games or I love whatever whatever it is.

825
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 5: I mean, part of.

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Speaker 3: It's just a the evolution of society, right, and like

827
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: the acceptance of like things that are non sports and

828
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: non Greek life as acceptable community based things where it's

829
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: not like these people are lesser than I think that's

830
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: part of it. I think, you know, it's easier for

831
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: Henry to do that than it would have been for

832
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 3: Freddy in nineteen ninety seven. Yes, o, yeah, you know,

833
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 3: would put himself at risk or his career at risk.

834
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Shift in the culture. The moment that Marvel student

835
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: like MCU took over, that was like the or like

836
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: when raymy Spider Man came out. That was the beginning

837
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: of the shift. I think because somehow Spider Man crossed

838
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: the threshold, and then Iron Man two thousand and seven

839
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: was the full on, Oh, this is the thing because

840
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: if you look at all the gen z ors, all

841
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: of them play D and D and like that's the

842
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: coolest thing to do right now with the gen z

843
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: So yeah.

844
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Speaker 5: I know that this is a little bit of a

845
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 5: tangent what else is new? But another saying like part

846
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 5: of the zeitgeist and popular culture that I think is

847
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 5: indicative of what you're talking about right now, that like

848
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 5: society has changed and our culture has changed, and there's

849
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 5: been a shift, thankfully, is like the rise of K

850
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 5: pop and k pop stars and like these like beautiful

851
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 5: androgynous Asian guys that wear makeup and you know, like

852
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 5: when I was a teenager that could that would never

853
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 5: like those guys would not have been like the teeny

854
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 5: bopper heart throbs, and now on a global scale they are,

855
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 5: which I'm you know, all for Like, it's just a

856
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 5: shift in what's acceptable, what is manly, what is masculine,

857
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 5: what is a you know, attractive?

858
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

859
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 5: I think it's great.

860
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: I will put out there though, if you roll back

861
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: to like nineteen eighty four eighty five eighty six, and

862
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: you look at like Motley Crue.

863
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 5: Guns and yeah, Scorpion Guns.

864
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: N' Roses in eighty seven, like lots of makeup, lots

865
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: lots of tight close. So it's it's kind of cool

866
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 3: how it's almost like, you know, you mentioned androgynist David

867
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 3: Bowie or the New York Dolls and it's cool though,

868
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: how it's thirty forty years later to come back but

869
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 3: in this like new way.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, yes, thank you for bringing that up,

872
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 5: because yes, like David Bowie.

873
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 8: Was a.

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Speaker 5: I mean like there was no one like him and

875
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Speaker 5: there will never be another like him, but he was

876
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 5: a bit of an anomaly and he wasn't like a

877
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 5: mainstream He wasn't accepted in the mainstream the way that

878
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 5: Guns and Roses and Motley Crue like those guys were,

879
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 5: I mean in like Spandex and you know, with the

880
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 5: biggest hair and like so much makeup and they were

881
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 5: getting all the girls right. So I appreciate that you

882
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 5: brought that up because I had I hadn't really made

883
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 5: that connection in my mind, but I guess the pendulum

884
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 5: swings right.

885
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean thanks for bringing up I mean because

886
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: I was listening to K pop kind of I had

887
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: to do it like in secret in the nineties. I

888
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: mean people talk about BTS, Oh yeah, there was there

889
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: was ult so there's people like BTS was the one

890
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: and Black painper are the ones that really pushed through.

891
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: And then now Kipop Demon Hunters took it to the

892
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: whole other level on a global scale. But in the nineties,

893
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: we had a band called Up. There was Geniushan, there

894
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: was Hot you know, there was b Rain who ended

895
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: up being a ninja assass And I was listening to

896
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: those cassette tapes kind of like because my aunts and

897
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: uncles gave those to me to like listen, like here's

898
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: some Kareem music, like, oh this is dope, but like

899
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: I had to listen to it secretly on my walkman

900
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: because of the fear of being completely you know, with

901
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: my huge aversion to embarrassment, just like knowing that people

902
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: would make fun of on them because it was so different,

903
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: because it wasn't Nirvana, which I loved. I loved Nirvana,

904
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Speaker 1: and I loved all the mainstream bands of the nineties,

905
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, I was k pop goes way back,

906
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: even further back than the nineties, which can be a

907
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: whole other special and uh and I will say this,

908
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: and depending on when this airs, it might have released already.

909
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing a shoot in like a week from recording today.

910
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: That's kind of K pop related, That's all I'll say. Like,

911
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: once you see it, you know you're like, oh, okay,

912
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: Like it's it's something I've been prepping for the last month.

913
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be something fun ish. It's yeah, yeah,

914
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: I could have been prompting if I was in high school.

915
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: Now with all the K pop lovel's, I.

916
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 5: Know you know what part of it is.

917
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 3: Also is I feel like all of the like quote

918
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Speaker 3: unquote loser kids who grew up playing D and D

919
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: they are also the people who are running every writer's

920
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 3: room in Hollywood now mm hm.

921
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: The creativity.

922
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: It just foster create activity and play and imagination that

923
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 3: I think serves. I think that's part of the other

924
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: breakthrough is the people who are doing a lot of

925
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: the creating and a lot of the writing come from

926
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: those those roots back in the day when if you

927
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: listen to K pop, you got beat up. You wore

928
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 3: Star Wars shirt, you get beat up.

929
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: And if you did both like me, Well, yeah, I'm

930
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: really fast. Yeah, anything else, Jasey, I know, we went

931
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: on our side quest.

932
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: I've got a bunch of other things. Actually, they mentioned

933
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: by name which we talked with gil Roy about last week.

934
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: Ashla was the original name for Ahsoka that they changed

935
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 3: to Ashoka. Then he gave us the background on changing

936
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: that to Ahsoka. I believe that you guys discuss a

937
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 3: little bit different names for the four different ways to

938
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: access the Night Sisters use like incantation and chanting to

939
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 3: access something they call magic, which is just another name

940
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: essentially for the Force and another way to access that.

941
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 3: Ashla is also the name given to the Light side

942
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: of the Forest by the Bendu who shows up at

943
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: the end of Rebels, and of course the little to

944
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: Gruta Jedi from episode two.

945
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 5: You were going for your.

946
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: I was going to go for that.

947
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Speaker 3: The other question, Taylor, you said, can you explain outer rim,

948
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 3: wild space, unknown regions, all of that. So if you

949
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Speaker 3: think of the Star Wars galaxy, and I brought a

950
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 3: visual aid, but if you think of the Star Wars

951
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: galaxy as if it's a balloon full of sand that's

952
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: dropped and explodes out, and each kernel of sand is

953
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 3: a star or a star system where the balloon hits

954
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: will be the highest concentration and the densest amount of sand.

955
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: And as it gets further away from that impact point,

956
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 3: the sand granules get more and more sparse and farther

957
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 3: and farther apart. So when you're talking about the Star

958
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 3: Wars galaxy, there is the deep core, in which the

959
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: stars are so close together that you almost can't navigate it,

960
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: because is that what they call it, the deep core

961
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: deep Core. Then there's the core planets like Coruscant, alder

962
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: On some of those planets. There's the inner Rim, which

963
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 3: would be and forgive me if I'm a little bit wrong,

964
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: but more like like Karelia style. There's the mid Rim,

965
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 3: which it would be like a Naboo both Y, which

966
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 3: many Bothins died to bring us this information their home planet.

967
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: Then you get to the outer Rim, which is like

968
00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 3: the tattooin, the Kessels, the mon Cow, the Lothal, well,

969
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: all of those things that are like wild Wild West,

970
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: which is really run by the huts. It's a very

971
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 3: you know, if you refer back to episode one, Captain

972
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: Panaka doesn't want to bring Queen Amidala to Tatuin because

973
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 3: the huts are gangstas like Tupac.

974
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Speaker 1: I heard.

975
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: So once you get out beyond beyond the outer Rim,

976
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 3: there's a small region called wild space, which is very

977
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: much like the bush, the wild wild West, the unexplored

978
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: kind of, but people kind of know what's out there.

979
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: And then all the way unlike what would be like

980
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: kind of the westerly side of a flattened galaxy map

981
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 3: is the unknown regions. Unknown regions is where grand Emerald

982
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: Thron and the Chists come from and and are those

983
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: are unexplored, it's uncharted, it's not nobody goes out in

984
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: that space because you don't the star charts haven't been

985
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: mapped been mapped, so nobody knows if you're going to

986
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: fly through a star too close to a supernova or whatever.

987
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 3: Han Solo says in a New Hope. But that's also

988
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: why fast forward to Ahsoka. They hide inside of Pergol

989
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 3: to go out to the Unknown Regions where Grand Emirald

990
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: Fraun is and where they think Ezra is. That's kind

991
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 3: of where that world is, which will tie into our

992
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 3: next episode we're going to talk about next week.

993
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 2: Wow, Klidman, that's uh star wars there. That's good.

994
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: Apparently the C and JC as cartographer because.

995
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: Soball in then.

996
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 3: No hawk would be probably outer rim, outer and outer

997
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 3: mid room.

998
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 4: You were so close.

999
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: I mean I had.

1000
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 3: The what's funny John about cartographers. My double major in

1001
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 3: college was geography.

1002
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: All tracks.

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00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 10: That's what I love that that was their one. You

1004
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 10: know who else geography? You know who else majored in

1005
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 10: geography JC? Michael Jordan. Yeah, his major was in geography

1006
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 10: at the universe.

1007
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 5: Class degree.

1008
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: So take that.

1009
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 5: Wow, I have no idea geography is one of my

1010
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,479
Speaker 5: favorite subjects JC.

1011
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: So, because Michael Jordan needs to be brought down a

1012
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 3: couple of pigs from being the greatest ever, I will

1013
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 3: say that geography was I took geography because it was

1014
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: the shortest double major that I could take. I was

1015
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: eventually a computer science major, and then I started to

1016
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 3: have to take data structures and high level math, and

1017
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: I bailed quickly, said give me the maps.

1018
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 4: We're all capitals, say less.

1019
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: You know, you know a class we all had freshman year,

1020
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: all the athletes, we all took geology aka rocks for jocks,

1021
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: make keep you eligible because it was literally like one

1022
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: rock a week. Quiz was like, Hey, what walk, can

1023
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: we go overed geology? But then they changed it luckily

1024
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: after I did it. But it's like everyone took geology

1025
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: there freshman year, we took rocks Ford Jocks. It was

1026
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: the best jobs.

1027
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: Geography was close to that, and astronomy was close to that.

1028
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: I took astronomy with many future NFL players at University

1029
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 3: of Miami.

1030
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 5: I feel like I've learned so much this episode, and

1031
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 5: yet we I anyway didn't really anything you sul to say,

1032
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 5: but I learned a lot from you guys, So thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome, right, Jim.

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