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Speaker 3: Yeah, so rare copies of both the Emancipation Proclamation and
Speaker 3: the Thirteenth Amendment are going to be auctioned off in
Speaker 3: Softab's upcoming Books and Manuscriptscripts sale in New York City.
Speaker 2: How many times I've been in these stores.
Speaker 4: They're usually in Vegas, one of your frontsy casinos or
Speaker 4: were they where they sell memorabilia, whether it's sports memorabilia, music,
Speaker 4: or you know, politics or whatever, and they have a
Speaker 4: really it's usually a cool picture and a really fancy frame,
Speaker 4: and then what you're paying for is the little signature.
Speaker 2: On something, a letter or whatever.
Speaker 4: But I've come close to buying them many times, but
Speaker 4: I never had. I never have, mostly because I don't
Speaker 4: have the slightest idea if the price.
Speaker 2: Is raised more nuts.
Speaker 3: Well, they almost got me once or twice. Two authorities
Speaker 3: believe alcohol was involved, but they didn't.
Speaker 2: And and it's.
Speaker 3: Usually for the same reason. I end up thinking, all right,
Speaker 3: what would I do with this? Who would I show it?
Speaker 2: To? Stick it under your pillow, sleep with your head
Speaker 2: on it every night?
Speaker 3: Well, and how much you know, like after a year,
Speaker 3: how much joy would it bring me to have?
Speaker 2: Is it's just an investment? I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 4: I would I never looked at it as an investment.
Speaker 4: It's always the coolness of it. But how would it
Speaker 4: continue to be coo if I had? Okay, I got
Speaker 4: a signed copy of the Gettysburg Address by Brad Lincoln.
Speaker 2: That's a good one that I would get.
Speaker 4: I enjoy looking at that every day, hanging on my
Speaker 4: wall forever, or at some point is the phone worn off?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: My friends and acquaintances are history freaks enough that that
Speaker 3: would be really cool. But then, because I try not
Speaker 3: to be the slave to my more base urges, I
Speaker 3: find myself thinking, okay, so I'd be getting it to
Speaker 3: make myself look cool, And is that really a healthy
Speaker 3: use of time?
Speaker 2: Money, and you know that's one.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's so I always end up in
Speaker 3: the same place, although I will tell you have.
Speaker 2: So much an extent with some stuff.
Speaker 4: It's just one degree removed from just showing somebody your
Speaker 4: bank statement. This is not much money I have in
Speaker 4: my account. I mean, because the point is this was
Speaker 4: expensive and I haven't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, partly. Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 3: I've mentioned several times that the one thing I've lusted
Speaker 3: after for years and have really gone back and forth
Speaker 3: on spending the money for is a first edition of
Speaker 3: Dickens A Christmas Carol. And because they're available and they're
Speaker 3: not so prohibitively expensive as to be insane, it's not
Speaker 3: like buying a copy of would you say the Gettysburg
Speaker 3: Address would be. But my beloved daughter Delaney, when she
Speaker 3: was in England, she went to the Dickens Museum and
Speaker 3: got me a reproduction of the first edition of A
Speaker 3: Christmas Carol with all the original art and stuff like
Speaker 3: that was absolutely lovely gift and very cool. When I
Speaker 3: read A Christmas Carol this Christmas time, as I do
Speaker 3: every single year, I will be reading it from that edition,
Speaker 3: which I'm excited about.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so you got rare copies of both the
Speaker 4: crestation thing, right, So is that is that the one
Speaker 4: where righting the title, Yes, that's the one where the
Speaker 4: burglars break into the house and the kids parents had
Speaker 4: gone on vacation. Yes, that's exactly and they said, up
Speaker 4: the kid sets up various booby traps. And I've never
Speaker 4: actually read to the end, but yeah, that's my understanding
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 2: Sorry, too funny not to go along with. So anyway, you.
Speaker 3: Got the the EP and the thirteenth Amendment on sale
Speaker 3: in June twenty six. The eighteen sixty three Probably Proclamation,
Speaker 3: was originally signed by Lincoln, issued during the Civil War,
Speaker 3: declared all enslaved people in Confederate States would be free.
Speaker 3: The copy, which was signed a year later, is estimating
Speaker 3: to sell for at least three million dollars. The handwritten
Speaker 3: Amendment he signed on vellum in eighteen sixty five, ending
Speaker 3: slavery nationwide, is expected to sell for at least eight
Speaker 3: million dollars price that would triple its auction.
Speaker 2: Record, and the two single sheet.
Speaker 3: Papers represent the priceiest examples of each document to enter
Speaker 3: the marketplace and should serve as a major test of
Speaker 3: collectors appetites for historic American artifacts, and they actually get
Speaker 3: into the market for this sort of thing, which I
Speaker 3: found interesting.
Speaker 2: The overall art market.
Speaker 3: Is in a slump, but this category has enjoyed an
Speaker 3: influx of gen X and millennial bidders ever since. A
Speaker 3: copy of the Constitution sold a billionaire Ken Griffin for
Speaker 3: forty three point two million dollars in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: Griffin famously outbit a consortium of cryptocurrency investors to win it.
Speaker 4: I have no idea how many original copies of the
Speaker 4: Constitution there are, or there's six or sixty, Probably closer
Speaker 4: to six than sixty because you had to handle the hole.
Speaker 3: They were originally like thirty two assumeing if these numbers
Speaker 3: are wrong and they're far fewer left now Katie, there.
Speaker 5: Are only thirteen known surviving original copies.
Speaker 3: Okay, good, Yeah, So aficionados are also getting more enthusiastic
Speaker 3: as we approached our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. But
Speaker 3: Lincoln is super super hot within the pantheon of historic signatures.
Speaker 3: Demand has fallen off off in the past decade for
Speaker 3: President Thomas Jefferson and Robert E. Lee, for instance, and
Speaker 3: remained steady for George Washington and Ben Franklin.
Speaker 2: Something from doctor Franklin would be very very cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't be a guy who's got to sign
Speaker 4: Robert a lease something hanging on your wall anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, not north of Kentucky anyway.
Speaker 3: Lincoln has proved to be the most coveted name in
Speaker 3: the American rare documents arena Lincoln reigns, Supreme.
Speaker 2: Said this authority from Sothabes.
Speaker 3: The record so far for any Lincoln related document is
Speaker 3: a three point eight million dollar copy of the Emancipation
Speaker 3: Proclamation sold to an anonymous guy in twenty ten. That,
Speaker 3: oh man, it stood out in part because it also
Speaker 3: belonged to Robert F. Kennedy Senior, who bought it in
Speaker 3: early nineteen sixty four for ninety five hundred bucks when
Speaker 3: he was an Attorney general. Oh wow, now three point
Speaker 3: eight million.
Speaker 4: Don't you have a guitar pick from somebody famous or something?
Speaker 4: Keith Richards guitar pick?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I also have Jimmy Page's cigarette, but which I actually
Speaker 3: grabbed off the front.
Speaker 2: Of the stage.
Speaker 4: And where do you keep these artifacts? You're in your
Speaker 4: pocket right now?
Speaker 3: This pocket? Well right, they're in a little box in
Speaker 3: my music room in my house.
Speaker 4: How often do you show them to people? This gets
Speaker 4: to our earlier discussion, how often do you open them up?
Speaker 2: And look at him? Look at that guitar pick. I'll
Speaker 2: be damned, it's opener.
Speaker 3: I think I've shown the guitar pick once or twice
Speaker 3: the guitar players in the I forgot I had the
Speaker 3: Jimmy Page cigarette button until we just talked about it now.
Speaker 3: So it's been twenty years since I've shown it to anybody.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're not getting not much enjoyment out of it,
Speaker 2: I'm really not.
Speaker 3: Of course, Let's keep in mind what I paid for
Speaker 3: both of them, nothing and nothing true. Uh so interesting. Well,
Speaker 3: here's some more interesting stuff. The upcoming version of the
Speaker 3: proclamation has a storied history of its own. This copy.
Speaker 3: Lincoln was already embroiled in the Civil War when he
Speaker 3: signed the original Freeing and sleigh People on jan one,
Speaker 3: eighteen sixty three. Great quote from Lincoln at the time quote,
Speaker 3: I never in my life felt more certain that I
Speaker 3: was doing right than I do in signing this paper.
Speaker 3: Lincoln and Secretary of State William Sword later carved up
Speaker 3: and mortally wounded by the assassin team that killed Lincoln
Speaker 3: later signed an additional forty eight folio broadsides that were
Speaker 3: sold for ten dollars apiece to raise funds for the
Speaker 3: US Sanitary Commission, a private release relief agency that helped
Speaker 3: wounded Union soldiers and their families. So they signed forty
Speaker 3: eight more of them and sold them for ten bucks apiece.
Speaker 3: Lincoln's original handwritten written manuscript of the proclamation was lost
Speaker 3: in the eighteen seventy one Chicago fire. Oh wow, so
Speaker 3: the printed copies have become very, very coveted. Only twenty
Speaker 3: seven are known to survive, eighteen to which are now
Speaker 3: tucked away in institutions, and nine are on the loose.
Speaker 3: They're privately owned and occasionally come up for sale. If
Speaker 3: you're really famous, so many of your things could be
Speaker 3: worth something if they could be documented. I'm surprised that.
Speaker 3: I mean, everything Lincoln had or touched it could be
Speaker 3: worth quite a bit of money. His socks, his pants,
Speaker 3: his hat, Yeah, his chair, it is just everything. Well
Speaker 3: and famously, back in the day, people would write letters
Speaker 3: to Lincoln or Washington or whomever and ask for a
Speaker 3: lock of their hair, and they would and they would
Speaker 3: accommodate people if they wrote a nice letter, they would
Speaker 3: send them a lock of their hair.
Speaker 2: It was really common.
Speaker 3: And so once in a great while you'll see what
Speaker 3: is allegedly Lincoln's hair come up frogs. And I remember
Speaker 3: I was talking about that a few years ago that
Speaker 3: I really wanted to buy some Lincoln's hair.
Speaker 6: Oh geez, And what.
Speaker 2: Would you like? Tape it to your head and warning around.
Speaker 3: Or showing it to friends together with Jimmy Page's cigarette,
Speaker 3: but both of which would have to be DNA tested
Speaker 3: for authenticity. Although I'm telling you, yeah, I saw Jimmy
Speaker 3: smoke the thing, throw down the cigarette butts, and I
Speaker 3: just grabbed one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The prominence in all of these things is difficult. Although
Speaker 4: that means word it came from actually and being able
Speaker 4: to document it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But if but if you believe it it's true, right,
Speaker 4: doesn't even make any difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 3: I get all hot to trot thinking about this stuff,
Speaker 3: like something really cool from Ben Franklin. Then I always
Speaker 3: come back to where we started this discussion. All right,
Speaker 3: what would I do with it?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 3: It's partly an expression of my admiration and love for
Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln, for instance, I would do that, but then okay, then,
Speaker 3: but what good is it to me unless I tell people,
Speaker 3: and then it's a showing off thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm conflicted. I'm very conflicted. I would
Speaker 2: wear Lincoln socks every day if I had them.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're probably in wearing shape at this point.
Speaker 3: I remember the old squares of the bloody pillow case, right,
Speaker 3: if I remember correctly.
Speaker 2: At one point there is some info about that.
Speaker 4: I was just at Ford's Theater not that long ago,
Speaker 4: oh right, with my kids, and there was some info
Speaker 4: in there. Actually the house across the street, which I
Speaker 4: don't think i'd ever been in before, the house across
Speaker 4: the street where he actually.
Speaker 3: Died, Yeah, it was. It's Katie. It is a very
Speaker 3: small room. It's like under the level of the street.
Speaker 3: What do you call that with like there's a skylighting window,
Speaker 3: as I recall, But it was very dismal and small
Speaker 3: and terrible and just kind of adds to the feeling
Speaker 3: of what a miserable waste.
Speaker 2: The assassination of Lincoln was. Wow.
Speaker 4: Well in the weird stuff on that thing like that,
Speaker 4: you know, a murder like a week later, it's pretty weird.
Speaker 4: And disgusting to be in the room where somebody was
Speaker 4: killed or died. But you wait long enough and it's
Speaker 4: you know, everybody's just chattering and taking pictures and talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, has there been I'm sure there.
Speaker 3: I have been multiple great books written about the amount
Speaker 3: of human suffering that was caused by the assassination Lincoln
Speaker 3: because he couldn't oversee the early days of reconstruction established
Speaker 3: his policies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would read that while I was wearing Lincoln socks.
Speaker 2: That's what I would do if I had them.
Speaker 3: You know, is there John Wilkes Booth memorabilia? No, probably not.
Speaker 3: That wouldn't be cool. I would pee on it every
Speaker 3: day or something, some expression of hatred. That's how I
Speaker 3: would be normal on it. I'd tape on Lincoln's hair
Speaker 3: onto my head and take my vengeance every day.
Speaker 2: You can get John Lincoln air for me, can't he?
Speaker 6: No John Wilkes booth.
Speaker 2: You can get his hair. What's I go for? Uh?
Speaker 5: Thirty one thousand dollars and his wanted poster is also
Speaker 5: going for twenty three thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: They must be able to they must have a really
Speaker 4: good way to authenticate that hair for it to go
Speaker 4: for that much money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the poster for twenty three k put put in
Speaker 3: a bid for me. You considering it, I'm gonna buy.
Speaker 3: Then I'll pay it back. Don'try. I'm good.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, cool front me what it? Just
Speaker 2: still pay it any time. If you come up short,
Speaker 2: you'll sell off your cigarette butt right. The arm Strong
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Speaker 3: Oh here you go. Here's my favorite Porsche joke. And
Speaker 3: I owned one. What's the difference between a portion of
Speaker 3: porcupine porcupine the picture on the outside.
Speaker 4: Hey, and if that thought that that was course, wait
Speaker 4: till the rest of the pot. I got two more things.
Speaker 4: I thought I had nothing for the podcast. I got
Speaker 4: two more things to say.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 3: I hope they were more, you know, uplifting than that
Speaker 3: last one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's only up from here. Uh yeah, I don't want
Speaker 4: to hurt anybody's It's just a fact. I know three
Speaker 4: women in their mid forties who made the choice in
Speaker 4: life to be childless and really really regret it now,
Speaker 4: really really regret it now. Like is like makes them
Speaker 4: cry thinking about it.
Speaker 6: So that's common ish common ish.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a couple of friends that are in
Speaker 5: that exact same boat right now.
Speaker 3: And folks, sometimes for medical reasons or sometimes a marriage
Speaker 3: goes sideways reasons or whatever in the window closes.
Speaker 2: That's that's very hard for them too. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well that's why the phrase chose. You know, it wasn't
Speaker 4: a medical thing or something. Yeah, this was lifestyle. What
Speaker 4: kind of were you going with? I'd rather on a Porsche.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was like a failed marriage that ended horribly
Speaker 5: and she said, screw it, I'm not doing this anymore.
Speaker 6: And now we're like years down the road and.
Speaker 4: She's like, that is definitely an evantge have a man,
Speaker 4: because I didn't. I didn't have kids, so I was
Speaker 4: forty five. It was an option for me as a dude, right,
Speaker 4: she just gotta find a younger woman. And what was
Speaker 4: my other thing? I was gonna say, Oh, so I'm
Speaker 4: I'm picking up my son from the high school the
Speaker 4: other day. This is on the cruelty of high schoolers.
Speaker 4: I'm picking up my son at high school the other day,
Speaker 4: and I got my window down and there's this one
Speaker 4: kid that forever whatever reason that has dress shoes on,
Speaker 4: and he's walking across the parking lot. He's like wearing
Speaker 4: khakis and dress shoes, and some guy goes, oh my god,
Speaker 4: hey Jim, look at his shoes. And then they're both
Speaker 4: like a like so working so hard to laugh so
Speaker 4: hard so they can point at somebody and mock them
Speaker 4: and laugh.
Speaker 2: How he's their self esteem by demeanian.
Speaker 4: Right, Yes, And you know, as a grown up having
Speaker 4: lived through that, when it was painful for me to
Speaker 4: be on the wrong end of that, it just looked
Speaker 4: so ridiculous, like why would you ever give us what
Speaker 4: those guys think about your shoes?
Speaker 2: It's too bad anybody does? I know everything? We like?
Speaker 2: Why people a day for ten two? Why do they need.
Speaker 4: To elevate themselves by trying to make that person feel
Speaker 4: worse because they had to go to their I don't know,
Speaker 4: they had to go to the something at the church
Speaker 4: or funeral or who knows why they're wearing dress shoes.
Speaker 2: But it's just it was so like.
Speaker 7: Ha ha, look at his shoes, ha ha ha, what a dork?
Speaker 2: I mean it was that my status is now higher
Speaker 2: than his.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to leave out to genderbread person,
Speaker 3: for instance, and maybe just spend ten minutes on that.
Speaker 2: Someday in like fifth grade, I almost wanted to go
Speaker 2: over and talk to that guy.
Speaker 4: He didn't seem to be predicular abotter, but you never
Speaker 4: know what's going on inside his brain. Let's say, don't
Speaker 4: give a shit those dicks think. When you're older, you
Speaker 4: will not It will not make any difference whatsoever.
Speaker 6: One of the many reasons why I am so glad
Speaker 6: I'm no longer in n.
Speaker 4: I school no kidding, no kidding, or do you have
Speaker 4: the mind you have now? I can go back to
Speaker 4: high school now would be hilarious people pointing in laughin
Speaker 4: of everything's really what are you doing whatever?
Speaker 2: It's just why would I freaking care what you think? Oh?
Speaker 2: That would be you know, it's funny. I was about
Speaker 2: to say, I wouldn't sentence al Qaeda to four years
Speaker 2: of high school. It's too cruel.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, when if you could bring your
Speaker 3: life experience and confidence back.
Speaker 2: For yeah, oh yeah, that would be. That would be
Speaker 2: super great in some ways at least. Yeah huh.
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Speaker 3: Queer Canine Becomings, lesbian feminist cyborg politics and interspecies intimacies
Speaker 3: in Ecologies of Love and Violence.
Speaker 6: Oh, they have to be trolling that I know.
Speaker 3: It's by Chloe Diamond Lenewe, who is an actual professor
Speaker 3: at Eastern at the American University, which is in New
Speaker 3: York or somewhere.
Speaker 4: That sounds as one hundred percent as crazy as those
Speaker 4: fake papers that James Lindsay and his friends put out.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, which.
Speaker 4: Makes his point that things are so off the rails
Speaker 4: that you can't tell the difference between something that's real
Speaker 4: and what's not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exaggeration is completely impossible. My god, you can do
Speaker 3: is what they did, and that's like equal the insanity,
Speaker 3: except yours is completely fake but nobody can tell, which
Speaker 3: makes the point. But you know, I feel like I
Speaker 3: ought to read the abstract, but it's so long. I'll
Speaker 3: hit you with it because Jack said, I, you know,
Speaker 3: it'd be interesting to get that whole paper and see
Speaker 3: how much sense it made on any level.
Speaker 2: And you're right, But so here's the abstract.
Speaker 3: This article offers a queer lesbian feminist analysis attuned to
Speaker 3: lesbian queer trans canine relationalities.
Speaker 4: And that really sounds like chicks having sex with dogs?
Speaker 4: Is it not bestiality?
Speaker 3: I just I can't believe they're expecting me to plow
Speaker 3: through another queer lesbian feminist analysis to into lesbian queer
Speaker 3: transcanine relation analities.
Speaker 6: I just want to let you know this. Chicks pronouns
Speaker 6: are she?
Speaker 2: They?
Speaker 6: The scene?
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: I like your your activist pieces of crazy ass Marxist garbage.
Speaker 3: Who who throw you the curveball of she? And you're
Speaker 3: thinking her? But no, no, I use she and they.
Speaker 3: If you call me her, I will be insulted. I'm
Speaker 3: looking at her Facebook.
Speaker 5: Her profile picture is a purple fist with a banner
Speaker 5: that says professor of lesbian dance theory.
Speaker 3: I don't mind watching lesbian's dance. That's my only theory.
Speaker 4: And somebody who makes a living doing that, yes, gets paid.
Speaker 2: Dance theory, Yeah.
Speaker 3: To indoctrinate children into this incoherent gobbledegook of theory. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I just that was like that was the first sentence. Specifically,
Speaker 3: the article places queer and lesbian ecofeminism in conversation with
Speaker 3: Donna Harroway's work on the cyborg and companion species to
Speaker 3: theorize the interconnected queer becomings of people, nature, animals, and
Speaker 3: machines amidst ecologies of love and violence in the twenty twenties.
Speaker 3: It takes two key case studies as the focus for analysis. First,
Speaker 3: the state instrumentalization of dogs and robot dogs for racialized
Speaker 3: and imperial violence. Oh, you got a little race in
Speaker 3: there too. I didn't see that coming. I mean, you
Speaker 3: got lesbian robot dogs. You wouldn't think there's time to
Speaker 3: work race in. But that's where you'd be wrong. Let's
Speaker 3: see in the second I'm sorry. In the first article,
Speaker 3: did I say that already? The article traces how dogs
Speaker 3: are webonized as tools of state violence and proposes a
Speaker 3: queer lesbian feminist critique of white supremacy and militarization that
Speaker 3: can also extend to a critique of the violence committed
Speaker 3: through toward the dogs. In the second whoof the article
Speaker 3: analyzes how within lesbian, non binary and trans dog intimacies,
Speaker 3: we got to stop there, don't we Let.
Speaker 6: That they're having sights with dogs get to the fun part.
Speaker 3: Really just started discussing that transdog intimacies. That does does
Speaker 3: that mean like transgender dogs. That's like a former boy
Speaker 3: dog who's now a leged bitch. I prefer to use
Speaker 3: the technical term.
Speaker 4: I was taking it as the interactions between trans people
Speaker 4: and dogs.
Speaker 6: Oh see, I was with Joe. I sounded like a
Speaker 6: trans dog to me.
Speaker 3: In the second the article analyzes how within lesbian, non
Speaker 3: berry binary and transdog intimacies, dogs help articulate I think
Speaker 3: you're right, Jack, queer gender sexuality and kinship formations and
Speaker 3: as such, queer worlds for gender sexual and kin becomings.
Speaker 3: The entanglements of violence and love in these queer dog
Speaker 3: relationalities provide insights into the complexities of queer and lesbian feminists,
Speaker 3: feminist world building, and finally, lesbian and queer feminist cyborg
Speaker 3: politics can help theorize the potentials.
Speaker 2: And challenges of these inter species and tangled So I'm
Speaker 2: going to take at least a shot at what I
Speaker 2: think this is. I appreciate the cyborgs in the end
Speaker 2: because I was getting I was wondering where.
Speaker 6: Where did they come from?
Speaker 2: I'll be back you remember that that was great. I
Speaker 2: think they believe.
Speaker 4: That that because of our systemic racism and culture, dogs
Speaker 4: are raised in such a way to not be friendly
Speaker 4: to the trans lesbian community. And they have some concern
Speaker 4: that the robot dogs that are coming our way are
Speaker 4: going to be the same. And then when you end
Speaker 4: up with robot people like cyborgs, now you're going to
Speaker 4: have the robot dogs who are home transphobic, poorly treating
Speaker 4: the robot humans. That's my guess that what this paper
Speaker 4: is about. The hell, I think you may number one.
Speaker 4: I am impressed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I admire you even being able to
Speaker 5: somewhat analyze that.
Speaker 3: I think you may be one notch off. And I'll
Speaker 3: repeat the lessons. Let'sbian in queer, feminist cyborg politics can
Speaker 3: help theorize the potentials and challenges of these interspecies entanglements. Well, no,
Speaker 3: I think yeah, so so the relationship of a trans
Speaker 3: person with a dog, robot or otherwise can dogs are
Speaker 3: being raised to be transmissed ache And they're concerned that
Speaker 3: when we have robot dogs and robot people it.
Speaker 4: Will continue then we'll have transphobic robot dogs. How are
Speaker 4: you trans if you're a robot though a person? What
Speaker 4: difference does it make once you're a robot?
Speaker 6: What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm with Kittie.
Speaker 3: I'm reminded of you know, you get somebody who's is
Speaker 3: like a complete psychopath and does all these weird things,
Speaker 3: and people say, what where is they thinking? No, No,
Speaker 3: you can't come up with a rational explanation for the irrational.
Speaker 2: You're wasting your time. You got to figure out Michael.
Speaker 3: No, I was just thinking, this is why I took
Speaker 3: aerobics in college. Yeah, I bowling, all right, I'm just
Speaker 3: going to pick a sentence or two at random. At
Speaker 3: the same time, it offers a model for a postgender
Speaker 3: world that can be ironically blasphemous and subverts its origins
Speaker 3: in the appropriation of women's bodies in a masculinist orgy
Speaker 3: of war and other oppressive traditions, including the tradition of racist,
Speaker 3: male dominated capitalism, the tradition of progress, the tradition of
Speaker 3: the appropriation of nature is a resource for the production
Speaker 3: of culture, the tradition of reproduction of the self from
Speaker 3: the reflections of the other. One thing they sought to
Speaker 3: spend more time studying is grammar like throw in a
Speaker 3: period now and again, right, so I can break it
Speaker 3: down by phrase.
Speaker 6: Masculinist orgy of war.
Speaker 2: Banda.
Speaker 6: I saw them at the Warfield San Francisco.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 5: I that she wrote this out and then threw it
Speaker 5: into chat GPT and just said, make this as wordy
Speaker 5: and confusing as humanly possible.
Speaker 2: I would love to take a class with one of
Speaker 2: these people. Love it.
Speaker 4: God, I gotta see if I can take a class
Speaker 4: like I'm sure my universeity has this sort of stuff
Speaker 4: in the town I live in, UC Davis.
Speaker 2: Take one of these classes and ask sincere.
Speaker 4: Sounding questions like just fully indulge their bost just oh
Speaker 4: my god, you've really hit something here with me, the
Speaker 4: masculine orgy of war or whatever that phrase was, expound
Speaker 4: on that for me with you, and just let them
Speaker 4: go on with their right.
Speaker 3: Well, what's revealing about this and so interesting and odd
Speaker 3: is that this is again, I just picked another sentence
Speaker 3: at random. In doing so, the article develops a queer
Speaker 3: and lesbian feminist approach to living in coalition with the
Speaker 3: more than human with attention to what Stephen's and Sprinkle
Speaker 3: name in this journal issue is cosensing an ethical embodied
Speaker 3: motive relating to the earth, a tune of the sensorial
Speaker 3: and activated through the erotic playfulness.
Speaker 2: And joy.
Speaker 3: Every single sentence is so I mean, just stuffed full
Speaker 3: of jargon. Yeah, it can mean whatever they say it means,
Speaker 3: or mean nothing at all.
Speaker 4: I'm so happy to have become tutored by James Lindsay
Speaker 4: and his books and his tweets about how this is
Speaker 4: on purpose to make you feel dumb, because I no
Speaker 4: longer feel dumb when I hear this stuff. I realize
Speaker 4: you're trying to You're trying to, you know, pull the
Speaker 4: wool over my eyes by using a bunch of phrases
Speaker 4: and words that don't mean anything or only mean something
Speaker 4: to you and make me feel dumb. So I'll sit
Speaker 4: here and listen to this crap, right, and I don't
Speaker 4: feel that way anymore, which is good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it almost becomes a riddle. All right, what are
Speaker 3: they talking about? I'm reminded, you know, we got we
Speaker 3: did not get enough mileage out of the cliff that
Speaker 3: came out. Might have been during the crazy Columbia demonstrations
Speaker 3: like last winter, in which one of the leaders of
Speaker 3: the up with terrorism, which is actually just down with
Speaker 3: Western civilization. All of this boils down to tearing down
Speaker 3: Western civilization. And this gal because of course it's an
Speaker 3: angry woman was saying.
Speaker 2: You've learned your.
Speaker 3: Colonialist theory and your gender theory, and your queer theory.
Speaker 2: And your March's theory or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's time to take all of your theories and put
Speaker 3: them into action.
Speaker 2: And that was a really good kind of summary.
Speaker 3: What all of this is, All of those wackadoodal theories
Speaker 3: that fall under critical theory are all just different ways
Speaker 3: to attack Western civilization and bring it to its knees
Speaker 3: so you can infiltrate it and usher in your Marxist utopia.
Speaker 3: And all of this stuff is what that looks like
Speaker 3: inside the sausage factory.
Speaker 4: It's something shuh, ain't I tell you this. I ain't
Speaker 4: gonna pay for my kid to sit in one of
Speaker 4: those classrooms and learn that crap.
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 4: If they somehow decide they really want that, they'll have
Speaker 4: to take out a loan or figure it out on
Speaker 4: their own.
Speaker 3: One more, Just one more, can I please? Lesbian feminism
Speaker 3: integrated with queer ecofeminism, animal studies and critical posthumanisms provide
Speaker 3: tools to rethink non heteropatriarchal relations across more than human realms.
Speaker 3: Queer ecofeminism involves liberating the erotic alongside nature, queers and women,
Speaker 3: challenging the hierarchical dualisms that link mind, body, reason, emotion. Man, woman,
Speaker 3: you can't bipoc human animal, nature, culture and heterosexual queer.
Speaker 2: It's almost impossible to believe it's real. It's almost impossible
Speaker 2: to believe it's real.
Speaker 6: I'm convinced for being trolled.
Speaker 2: By this she they.
Speaker 3: I can believe that somewhere in America there's a crazy
Speaker 3: old man tunelessly playing the saw.
Speaker 2: You ever seen anybody play the singing? I can believe
Speaker 2: that and accept it. The idea that someone's.
Speaker 3: Paying them to do that and they have tenure. That's
Speaker 3: where it gets crazy to me. And that's what this
Speaker 3: stuff is.
Speaker 4: The most important thing we learned from today's podcast that
Speaker 4: the purple fist represents what.
Speaker 3: Katie Oh your break Yeah, professor of lesbian dance theory.
Speaker 4: Yes, the purple fist is lesbian dance theory. Or as
Speaker 4: Joey said, your scornchy's too tight around your wrist?
Speaker 2: You mother cry too tight.
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Speaker 7: The Armstrong and Getty shot Oh here's how money actually
Speaker 7: works with theory seven dollars.
Speaker 2: Beautiful shit ching, are you about to say something?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, So we're gonna do the one on one class
Speaker 3: first and then two to one class. If this first
Speaker 3: part is too obvious for some of you, congratulations on
Speaker 3: understanding the basics of economics, which is a fairly rare
Speaker 3: thing in today's world, which is highly discouraging. But first
Speaker 3: of all, they're talking about who's this writer. I like
Speaker 3: to give credit because it's really well written. Matthew Hennessy,
Speaker 3: and the Wall Street Journal is talking about the fellows
Speaker 3: in Oasis, the British rock band which is getting back together.
Speaker 2: Wonderwall. He gets back, he.
Speaker 3: Gets into some of the backstory, the Gallagher brothers who
Speaker 3: can't stand each other and can't get along, but they're
Speaker 3: the indispensable members of the band Oasis. Last month, the
Speaker 3: Boys Buried the Hatchet announced series twenty twenty five concerts.
Speaker 3: Various fans we're young and relatively poor during the band's heyday,
Speaker 3: are now older and relatively rich. They have the willingness
Speaker 3: and ability to pay to see Oasis and concert. Economically speaking,
Speaker 3: that's called demand. But demand is only one side of
Speaker 3: the economic story morning glory for the moment. At least,
Speaker 3: the Oasis reunion is limited to a handful of shows
Speaker 3: in the Wembley Stadium is large, it's not infinitely so,
Speaker 3: and there's no guarantee the brothers will remain on speaking
Speaker 3: terms beyond next summer. Fans understand that this may be
Speaker 3: their last chance to see the battling Gallagher lads together
Speaker 3: on stage.
Speaker 2: Supply is limited now.
Speaker 3: Introductory economics tell us that when supply is tight and
Speaker 3: demand is high, prices rise to an equilibrium, which is
Speaker 3: exactly what happened. Then he talks about dynamic pricing and
Speaker 3: how the tickets are significantly more expensive than they seem
Speaker 3: to be when initially announced. Some accuse the greedy brothers
Speaker 3: of ripping off their loyal fans. Many more aimed their
Speaker 3: furia ticket Master, the American ticket Sales BMTH owned by
Speaker 3: Live Nation Entertainment.
Speaker 2: The few revealed terrible.
Speaker 4: Probably not going to hang argue me out of my
Speaker 4: anger at Ticketmaster in general.
Speaker 3: But go on, Oh the fees, the fees that creep
Speaker 3: up onto your bill at the end. Yes, that's a
Speaker 3: different topic and an interesting you're electronic sending me of
Speaker 3: the ticket cost forty dollars. What yeah, anyway, putting that aside,
Speaker 3: because this is just a question of the price of
Speaker 3: the tickets. The furor revealed a terrible ignorance, even among
Speaker 3: the highly educated, of what prices are and how they work.
Speaker 2: I would argue to the journalists that.
Speaker 3: Know, these are people posing as being outraged, they're not
Speaker 3: actually outraged. Like the very Prime Minister of Britain, Kirs Starmer,
Speaker 3: told the House Commons that he found it depressing to
Speaker 3: hear of the Oasis price hikes. He promised a commission
Speaker 3: to investigate what he called extortionate price resals whatever. Culture
Speaker 3: Secretary Lisa Nandy told the Bebe that quote, vastly inflated
Speaker 3: prices would exclude ordinary fans.
Speaker 4: They have a culture secretary, Yeah, why do you need
Speaker 4: that secretary of culture? And there should be some sort
Speaker 4: of government intervention in that some things are more expensive
Speaker 4: than others.
Speaker 2: What yeah, bollocks?
Speaker 3: In economic terms, a concert ticket and this is the
Speaker 3: really important part. This is the econ one to one
Speaker 3: stuff that if you don't understand it, you don't get
Speaker 3: anything about economic A concert ticket is no different from
Speaker 3: a book, a bottle, a wine, or a house. It
Speaker 3: has no inherent value, only the price a buyer is
Speaker 3: willing to pay and a seller is willing to accept.
Speaker 3: The market clearing price of anything is where demand to
Speaker 3: meet supply. The correct and fair price is whatever the
Speaker 3: market will bear. No buyer has a right to a
Speaker 3: low price, just as no seller has a right.
Speaker 2: To a high price.
Speaker 3: Then they point out the obvious Oasis could be nice
Speaker 3: guys and sellar tickets for five bucks, but scalpers would
Speaker 3: snatch them all up and resell them.
Speaker 2: For much much more.
Speaker 3: What good would it do for Oasis, for the ordinary
Speaker 3: fan or anybody, to allow third party resellers to capture
Speaker 3: all that value?
Speaker 2: Well, that's what Yeah, that's what people don't understand about.
Speaker 4: Sports, guitar players, whatever, actors and actresses. Somebody's going to
Speaker 4: get that money because there's a demand for it. So
Speaker 4: if it's not George Clooney or Shoheyo Tani or the
Speaker 4: Gallagher brothers, then the company that puts on the show
Speaker 4: or the game, or the network or whatever they get
Speaker 4: the money.
Speaker 2: But somebody's getting the money. It's just the way it works, right.
Speaker 3: A couple more quick tidbits, and music industry guru explained
Speaker 3: that the acts hide behind Ticketmaster.
Speaker 2: They want them to take the flack for all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh that's pretty good, that's probably true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not good for your image. But Ticketmaster takes
Speaker 3: all the flack. And he also writes, here's the dirty
Speaker 3: little secret. Ticketmaster does nothing that the band does not
Speaker 3: agree to. So anyway, I thought that was a good
Speaker 3: little instructional on if there's demand and little supply, the
Speaker 3: price is going to go up and should and you
Speaker 3: know what's gonna happen. The Gallery boys are going to
Speaker 3: put down their fists and open up their calendars and say,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm allan to play half a dozen more.
Speaker 2: Shows, are you? And supply will increase in the prices will.
Speaker 4: I was drunk in the backseat of an suv that
Speaker 4: could go.
Speaker 2: I have one.
Speaker 4: Thousand, five hundred stories that start that way, but in
Speaker 4: this particular one enter my seat. I was drunk in
Speaker 4: the back of suv on the way to an Oasis
Speaker 4: concert in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety five when.
Speaker 4: We heard on the radio that they had canceled the
Speaker 4: concert because the two brothers had gotten a fistfight backstage.
Speaker 2: So I still have not seen them.
Speaker 3: Wow wow, Yeah, that legend not overblown.
Speaker 2: No, that reminds me when they were like in their sixties.
Speaker 3: The Davis Brothers it looks like Davies, but it's pronounced
Speaker 3: Davis of The Kinks actually were continuing to come to
Speaker 3: blows and scream at each other backstage in their sixties,
Speaker 3: trying to tour.
Speaker 2: Wow, get some counseling for us or something. Let it go,
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty