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I never have, mostly because I don't 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:19.760 have the slightest idea if the price. 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:20.759 Is raised more nuts. 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.720 Well, they almost got me once or twice. Two authorities 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.319 believe alcohol was involved, but they didn't. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:27.199 And and it's. 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:31.520 Usually for the same reason. I end up thinking, all right, 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.960 what would I do with this? Who would I show it? 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.560 To? Stick it under your pillow, sleep with your head 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:39.200 on it every night? 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.640 Well, and how much you know, like after a year, 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:44.679 how much joy would it bring me to have? 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.680 Is it's just an investment? I wouldn't do it. 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.440 I would I never looked at it as an investment. 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.240 It's always the coolness of it. But how would it 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.400 continue to be coo if I had? Okay, I got 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.440 a signed copy of the Gettysburg Address by Brad Lincoln. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:58.760 That's a good one that I would get. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:01.800 I enjoy looking at that every day, hanging on my 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:06.160 wall forever, or at some point is the phone worn off? 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:06.520 I don't know. 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.960 My friends and acquaintances are history freaks enough that that 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.120 would be really cool. But then, because I try not 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:18.960 to be the slave to my more base urges, I 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:23.480 find myself thinking, okay, so I'd be getting it to 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:29.040 make myself look cool, And is that really a healthy 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:30.840 use of time? 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:32.840 Money, and you know that's one. 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.480 I'm not sure that's so I always end up in 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.360 the same place, although I will tell you have. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:38.960 So much an extent with some stuff. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.760 It's just one degree removed from just showing somebody your 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:44.520 bank statement. This is not much money I have in 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.320 my account. I mean, because the point is this was 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.000 expensive and I haven't. 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:54.560 Yeah, well yeah, partly. Yeah, you're not wrong. 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.280 I've mentioned several times that the one thing I've lusted 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.160 after for years and have really gone back and forth 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:06.679 on spending the money for is a first edition of 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:11.760 Dickens A Christmas Carol. And because they're available and they're 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.200 not so prohibitively expensive as to be insane, it's not 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.239 like buying a copy of would you say the Gettysburg 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.360 Address would be. But my beloved daughter Delaney, when she 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.360 was in England, she went to the Dickens Museum and 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.120 got me a reproduction of the first edition of A 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.480 Christmas Carol with all the original art and stuff like 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:34.000 that was absolutely lovely gift and very cool. When I 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.240 read A Christmas Carol this Christmas time, as I do 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.960 every single year, I will be reading it from that edition, 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:40.560 which I'm excited about. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:44.120 But anyway, so you got rare copies of both the 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.640 crestation thing, right, So is that is that the one 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.880 where righting the title, Yes, that's the one where the 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.400 burglars break into the house and the kids parents had 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.760 gone on vacation. Yes, that's exactly and they said, up 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.640 the kid sets up various booby traps. And I've never 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.240 actually read to the end, but yeah, that's my understanding 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:01.480 of it. 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:08.000 Sorry, too funny not to go along with. So anyway, you. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:13.600 Got the the EP and the thirteenth Amendment on sale 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:18.640 in June twenty six. The eighteen sixty three Probably Proclamation, 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.159 was originally signed by Lincoln, issued during the Civil War, 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.719 declared all enslaved people in Confederate States would be free. 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.960 The copy, which was signed a year later, is estimating 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.320 to sell for at least three million dollars. The handwritten 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:36.159 Amendment he signed on vellum in eighteen sixty five, ending 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.960 slavery nationwide, is expected to sell for at least eight 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.960 million dollars price that would triple its auction. 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.520 Record, and the two single sheet. 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:50.080 Papers represent the priceiest examples of each document to enter 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.200 the marketplace and should serve as a major test of 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:57.200 collectors appetites for historic American artifacts, and they actually get 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.520 into the market for this sort of thing, which I 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:00.960 found interesting. 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.400 The overall art market. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:09.200 Is in a slump, but this category has enjoyed an 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.120 influx of gen X and millennial bidders ever since. A 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.640 copy of the Constitution sold a billionaire Ken Griffin for 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.960 forty three point two million dollars in twenty twenty one. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:25.040 Griffin famously outbit a consortium of cryptocurrency investors to win it. 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.960 I have no idea how many original copies of the 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:32.680 Constitution there are, or there's six or sixty, Probably closer 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.120 to six than sixty because you had to handle the hole. 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.840 They were originally like thirty two assumeing if these numbers 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.760 are wrong and they're far fewer left now Katie, there. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.800 Are only thirteen known surviving original copies. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:51.280 Okay, good, Yeah, So aficionados are also getting more enthusiastic 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.599 as we approached our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. But 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:59.000 Lincoln is super super hot within the pantheon of historic signatures. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.320 Demand has fallen off off in the past decade for 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.000 President Thomas Jefferson and Robert E. Lee, for instance, and 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.400 remained steady for George Washington and Ben Franklin. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.839 Something from doctor Franklin would be very very cool. 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.200 Yeah, you can't be a guy who's got to sign 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.440 Robert a lease something hanging on your wall anymore. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.479 Well, not north of Kentucky anyway. 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:24.480 Lincoln has proved to be the most coveted name in 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.000 the American rare documents arena Lincoln reigns, Supreme. 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.680 Said this authority from Sothabes. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.560 The record so far for any Lincoln related document is 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.400 a three point eight million dollar copy of the Emancipation 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:42.320 Proclamation sold to an anonymous guy in twenty ten. That, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.480 oh man, it stood out in part because it also 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.800 belonged to Robert F. Kennedy Senior, who bought it in 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.800 early nineteen sixty four for ninety five hundred bucks when 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.240 he was an Attorney general. Oh wow, now three point 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:55.880 eight million. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.640 Don't you have a guitar pick from somebody famous or something? 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:01.920 Keith Richards guitar pick? 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:02.800 Yeah. 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.960 I also have Jimmy Page's cigarette, but which I actually 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:08.200 grabbed off the front. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:08.680 Of the stage. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:12.040 And where do you keep these artifacts? You're in your 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:12.720 pocket right now? 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.840 This pocket? Well right, they're in a little box in 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:16.120 my music room in my house. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:17.760 How often do you show them to people? This gets 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.880 to our earlier discussion, how often do you open them up? 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:21.440 And look at him? Look at that guitar pick. I'll 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.160 be damned, it's opener. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.880 I think I've shown the guitar pick once or twice 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.360 the guitar players in the I forgot I had the 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.520 Jimmy Page cigarette button until we just talked about it now. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.760 So it's been twenty years since I've shown it to anybody. 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.880 Okay, so you're not getting not much enjoyment out of it, 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:38.640 I'm really not. 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.680 Of course, Let's keep in mind what I paid for 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:46.240 both of them, nothing and nothing true. Uh so interesting. Well, 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.680 here's some more interesting stuff. The upcoming version of the 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:54.960 proclamation has a storied history of its own. This copy. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.760 Lincoln was already embroiled in the Civil War when he 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.480 signed the original Freeing and sleigh People on jan one, 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:05.320 eighteen sixty three. Great quote from Lincoln at the time quote, 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.760 I never in my life felt more certain that I 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.760 was doing right than I do in signing this paper. 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.600 Lincoln and Secretary of State William Sword later carved up 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:20.800 and mortally wounded by the assassin team that killed Lincoln 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:25.400 later signed an additional forty eight folio broadsides that were 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:29.320 sold for ten dollars apiece to raise funds for the 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:33.160 US Sanitary Commission, a private release relief agency that helped 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:37.080 wounded Union soldiers and their families. So they signed forty 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.760 eight more of them and sold them for ten bucks apiece. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:44.880 Lincoln's original handwritten written manuscript of the proclamation was lost 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.040 in the eighteen seventy one Chicago fire. Oh wow, so 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.760 the printed copies have become very, very coveted. Only twenty 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.800 seven are known to survive, eighteen to which are now 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.880 tucked away in institutions, and nine are on the loose. 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.600 They're privately owned and occasionally come up for sale. If 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.760 you're really famous, so many of your things could be 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.360 worth something if they could be documented. I'm surprised that. 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.719 I mean, everything Lincoln had or touched it could be 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:13.000 worth quite a bit of money. His socks, his pants, 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.160 his hat, Yeah, his chair, it is just everything. Well 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.679 and famously, back in the day, people would write letters 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.800 to Lincoln or Washington or whomever and ask for a 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.440 lock of their hair, and they would and they would 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.600 accommodate people if they wrote a nice letter, they would 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:31.880 send them a lock of their hair. 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:33.080 It was really common. 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.080 And so once in a great while you'll see what 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:40.360 is allegedly Lincoln's hair come up frogs. And I remember 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.160 I was talking about that a few years ago that 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.600 I really wanted to buy some Lincoln's hair. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.119 Oh geez, And what. 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.880 Would you like? Tape it to your head and warning around. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.280 Or showing it to friends together with Jimmy Page's cigarette, 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.400 but both of which would have to be DNA tested 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.800 for authenticity. Although I'm telling you, yeah, I saw Jimmy 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.560 smoke the thing, throw down the cigarette butts, and I 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:04.080 just grabbed one. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:04.360 Yeah. 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:09.040 The prominence in all of these things is difficult. Although 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.240 that means word it came from actually and being able 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:12.960 to document it. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:13.839 Yeah. 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.560 But if but if you believe it it's true, right, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:18.880 doesn't even make any difference. 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:21.320 Yeah, it's funny. 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.640 I get all hot to trot thinking about this stuff, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:28.280 like something really cool from Ben Franklin. Then I always 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.600 come back to where we started this discussion. All right, 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:31.640 what would I do with it? 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:33.520 You know what? 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.600 It's partly an expression of my admiration and love for 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:43.040 Abraham Lincoln, for instance, I would do that, but then okay, then, 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.640 but what good is it to me unless I tell people, 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:47.760 and then it's a showing off thing. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.319 I don't know. I'm conflicted. I'm very conflicted. I would 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.480 wear Lincoln socks every day if I had them. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.080 I don't think they're probably in wearing shape at this point. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:04.760 I remember the old squares of the bloody pillow case, right, 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:06.360 if I remember correctly. 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.360 At one point there is some info about that. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.320 I was just at Ford's Theater not that long ago, 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.120 oh right, with my kids, and there was some info 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.400 in there. Actually the house across the street, which I 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.800 don't think i'd ever been in before, the house across 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:19.040 the street where he actually. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:23.800 Died, Yeah, it was. It's Katie. It is a very 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.800 small room. It's like under the level of the street. 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.319 What do you call that with like there's a skylighting window, 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:33.960 as I recall, But it was very dismal and small 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.400 and terrible and just kind of adds to the feeling 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.080 of what a miserable waste. 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.280 The assassination of Lincoln was. Wow. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.280 Well in the weird stuff on that thing like that, 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:49.560 you know, a murder like a week later, it's pretty weird. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.480 And disgusting to be in the room where somebody was 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.079 killed or died. But you wait long enough and it's 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.720 you know, everybody's just chattering and taking pictures and talking. 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.640 Yeah. Yeah, has there been I'm sure there. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:04.319 I have been multiple great books written about the amount 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:09.720 of human suffering that was caused by the assassination Lincoln 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.400 because he couldn't oversee the early days of reconstruction established 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:15.160 his policies. 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.720 Yeah, I would read that while I was wearing Lincoln socks. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.000 That's what I would do if I had them. 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:27.720 You know, is there John Wilkes Booth memorabilia? No, probably not. 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.240 That wouldn't be cool. I would pee on it every 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.120 day or something, some expression of hatred. That's how I 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:39.640 would be normal on it. I'd tape on Lincoln's hair 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:45.160 onto my head and take my vengeance every day. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.599 You can get John Lincoln air for me, can't he? 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:49.920 No John Wilkes booth. 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:54.240 You can get his hair. What's I go for? Uh? 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.920 Thirty one thousand dollars and his wanted poster is also 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:03.120 going for twenty three thousand dollars. 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.559 They must be able to they must have a really 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:11.320 good way to authenticate that hair for it to go 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.280 for that much money. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.640 Yeah, the poster for twenty three k put put in 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.079 a bid for me. You considering it, I'm gonna buy. 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:21.720 Then I'll pay it back. Don'try. I'm good. 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.560 Oh okay, all right, cool front me what it? Just 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.320 still pay it any time. If you come up short, 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.440 you'll sell off your cigarette butt right. The arm Strong 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:32.200 and Getty Show. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:40.560 More Jack your Joe podcasts and our hot links Jack 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:44.800 Armstrong and Joe Getty, The arm Strong and Getty Show. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.560 Oh here you go. Here's my favorite Porsche joke. And 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:53.000 I owned one. What's the difference between a portion of 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:57.000 porcupine porcupine the picture on the outside. 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.760 Hey, and if that thought that that was course, wait 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:02.480 till the rest of the pot. I got two more things. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.120 I thought I had nothing for the podcast. I got 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:04.960 two more things to say. 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:05.240 One. 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.040 I hope they were more, you know, uplifting than that 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:10.160 last one. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:11.000 Yeah. 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.360 That's only up from here. Uh yeah, I don't want 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.840 to hurt anybody's It's just a fact. I know three 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:25.320 women in their mid forties who made the choice in 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.840 life to be childless and really really regret it now, 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:33.640 really really regret it now. Like is like makes them 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:34.560 cry thinking about it. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.960 So that's common ish common ish. 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.080 Yeah, I have a couple of friends that are in 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:42.840 that exact same boat right now. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:48.840 And folks, sometimes for medical reasons or sometimes a marriage 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.360 goes sideways reasons or whatever in the window closes. 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.760 That's that's very hard for them too. Yeah. 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.120 Well that's why the phrase chose. You know, it wasn't 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.360 a medical thing or something. Yeah, this was lifestyle. What 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.920 kind of were you going with? I'd rather on a Porsche. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.360 Yeah, this was like a failed marriage that ended horribly 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.440 and she said, screw it, I'm not doing this anymore. 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.720 And now we're like years down the road and. 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.200 She's like, that is definitely an evantge have a man, 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:15.600 because I didn't. I didn't have kids, so I was 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.160 forty five. It was an option for me as a dude, right, 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.920 she just gotta find a younger woman. And what was 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:23.480 my other thing? I was gonna say, Oh, so I'm 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.720 I'm picking up my son from the high school the 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.520 other day. This is on the cruelty of high schoolers. 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.280 I'm picking up my son at high school the other day, 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.200 and I got my window down and there's this one 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.920 kid that forever whatever reason that has dress shoes on, 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.600 and he's walking across the parking lot. He's like wearing 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.640 khakis and dress shoes, and some guy goes, oh my god, 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.040 hey Jim, look at his shoes. And then they're both 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.320 like a like so working so hard to laugh so 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.600 hard so they can point at somebody and mock them 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:53.040 and laugh. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.880 How he's their self esteem by demeanian. 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.040 Right, Yes, And you know, as a grown up having 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.200 lived through that, when it was painful for me to 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.040 be on the wrong end of that, it just looked 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:06.240 so ridiculous, like why would you ever give us what 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:07.800 those guys think about your shoes? 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.440 It's too bad anybody does? I know everything? We like? 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:14.160 Why people a day for ten two? Why do they need. 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.920 To elevate themselves by trying to make that person feel 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.880 worse because they had to go to their I don't know, 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.920 they had to go to the something at the church 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.360 or funeral or who knows why they're wearing dress shoes. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.120 But it's just it was so like. 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.840 Ha ha, look at his shoes, ha ha ha, what a dork? 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.200 I mean it was that my status is now higher 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:32.600 than his. 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.480 Yeah, I would love to leave out to genderbread person, 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.320 for instance, and maybe just spend ten minutes on that. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.560 Someday in like fifth grade, I almost wanted to go 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:42.560 over and talk to that guy. 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.480 He didn't seem to be predicular abotter, but you never 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:48.320 know what's going on inside his brain. Let's say, don't 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.640 give a shit those dicks think. When you're older, you 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.320 will not It will not make any difference whatsoever. 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.120 One of the many reasons why I am so glad 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:57.800 I'm no longer in n. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.400 I school no kidding, no kidding, or do you have 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:01.920 the mind you have now? I can go back to 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.960 high school now would be hilarious people pointing in laughin 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.280 of everything's really what are you doing whatever? 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.160 It's just why would I freaking care what you think? Oh? 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.240 That would be you know, it's funny. I was about 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.920 to say, I wouldn't sentence al Qaeda to four years 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:17.280 of high school. It's too cruel. 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.520 On the other hand, when if you could bring your 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.560 life experience and confidence back. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.520 For yeah, oh yeah, that would be. That would be 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:31.280 super great in some ways at least. Yeah huh. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.440 The Armstrong and Getty Show, Yeah, more Jack your Shoe 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:41.520 podcasts and our hot links. The Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:53.000 Queer Canine Becomings, lesbian feminist cyborg politics and interspecies intimacies 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.120 in Ecologies of Love and Violence. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.719 Oh, they have to be trolling that I know. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.560 It's by Chloe Diamond Lenewe, who is an actual professor 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.800 at Eastern at the American University, which is in New 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:05.520 York or somewhere. 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.240 That sounds as one hundred percent as crazy as those 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.440 fake papers that James Lindsay and his friends put out. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.280 Yes, yeah, which. 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.840 Makes his point that things are so off the rails 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.360 that you can't tell the difference between something that's real 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:21.840 and what's not. 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:27.000 Yeah, exaggeration is completely impossible. My god, you can do 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.200 is what they did, and that's like equal the insanity, 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.800 except yours is completely fake but nobody can tell, which 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.439 makes the point. But you know, I feel like I 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:41.000 ought to read the abstract, but it's so long. I'll 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.359 hit you with it because Jack said, I, you know, 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.000 it'd be interesting to get that whole paper and see 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:47.879 how much sense it made on any level. 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.159 And you're right, But so here's the abstract. 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.800 This article offers a queer lesbian feminist analysis attuned to 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:59.119 lesbian queer trans canine relationalities. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:02.000 And that really sounds like chicks having sex with dogs? 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:03.880 Is it not bestiality? 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:08.000 I just I can't believe they're expecting me to plow 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:12.400 through another queer lesbian feminist analysis to into lesbian queer 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:14.119 transcanine relation analities. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.159 I just want to let you know this. Chicks pronouns 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:17.600 are she? 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.400 They? 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:21.040 The scene? 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:22.120 I like that. 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.960 I like your your activist pieces of crazy ass Marxist garbage. 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.440 Who who throw you the curveball of she? And you're 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:35.320 thinking her? But no, no, I use she and they. 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.240 If you call me her, I will be insulted. I'm 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:39.280 looking at her Facebook. 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.040 Her profile picture is a purple fist with a banner 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.000 that says professor of lesbian dance theory. 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.120 I don't mind watching lesbian's dance. That's my only theory. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:56.320 And somebody who makes a living doing that, yes, gets paid. 0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.600 Dance theory, Yeah. 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:05.879 To indoctrinate children into this incoherent gobbledegook of theory. Okay, 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:10.280 So I just that was like that was the first sentence. Specifically, 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.919 the article places queer and lesbian ecofeminism in conversation with 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.399 Donna Harroway's work on the cyborg and companion species to 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:21.560 theorize the interconnected queer becomings of people, nature, animals, and 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.920 machines amidst ecologies of love and violence in the twenty twenties. 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.879 It takes two key case studies as the focus for analysis. First, 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.720 the state instrumentalization of dogs and robot dogs for racialized 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.480 and imperial violence. Oh, you got a little race in 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:37.359 there too. I didn't see that coming. I mean, you 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:40.080 got lesbian robot dogs. You wouldn't think there's time to 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.840