1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Getty. 3 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jette and now he Armstrong and Getty Strong 4 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: and the Independence Day. It's the fourth of July and 5 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: it's the Armstrong and. 6 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 3: Getty replay featuring bits and pieces of our podcast, Armstrong 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 3: and Getty. 8 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: One more thing, don't miss a single moment. 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 4: Get every episode on the iHeart app and wherever you 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 4: get your podcasts. 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so rare copies of both the Emancipation Proclamation and 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: the Thirteenth Amendment are going to be auctioned off in 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 3: Softab's upcoming Books and Manuscriptscripts sale in New York City. 14 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: How many times I've been in these stores. 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 4: They're usually in Vegas, one of your frontsy casinos or 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 4: were they where they sell memorabilia, whether it's sports memorabilia, music, 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 4: or you know, politics or whatever, and they have a 18 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 4: really it's usually a cool picture and a really fancy frame, 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 4: and then what you're paying for is the little signature. 20 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: On something, a letter or whatever. 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 4: But I've come close to buying them many times, but 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 4: I never had. I never have, mostly because I don't 23 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 4: have the slightest idea if the price. 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: Is raised more nuts. 25 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: Well, they almost got me once or twice. Two authorities 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: believe alcohol was involved, but they didn't. 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 2: And and it's. 28 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: Usually for the same reason. I end up thinking, all right, 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 3: what would I do with this? Who would I show it? 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: To? Stick it under your pillow, sleep with your head 31 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: on it every night? 32 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: Well, and how much you know, like after a year, 33 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 3: how much joy would it bring me to have? 34 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: Is it's just an investment? I wouldn't do it. 35 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 4: I would I never looked at it as an investment. 36 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 4: It's always the coolness of it. But how would it 37 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 4: continue to be coo if I had? Okay, I got 38 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 4: a signed copy of the Gettysburg Address by Brad Lincoln. 39 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: That's a good one that I would get. 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 4: I enjoy looking at that every day, hanging on my 41 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 4: wall forever, or at some point is the phone worn off? 42 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. 43 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: My friends and acquaintances are history freaks enough that that 44 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: would be really cool. But then, because I try not 45 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: to be the slave to my more base urges, I 46 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: find myself thinking, okay, so I'd be getting it to 47 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: make myself look cool, And is that really a healthy 48 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: use of time? 49 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: Money, and you know that's one. 50 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's so I always end up in 51 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: the same place, although I will tell you have. 52 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: So much an extent with some stuff. 53 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 4: It's just one degree removed from just showing somebody your 54 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 4: bank statement. This is not much money I have in 55 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 4: my account. I mean, because the point is this was 56 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: expensive and I haven't. 57 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, partly. Yeah, you're not wrong. 58 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: I've mentioned several times that the one thing I've lusted 59 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: after for years and have really gone back and forth 60 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 3: on spending the money for is a first edition of 61 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: Dickens A Christmas Carol. And because they're available and they're 62 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: not so prohibitively expensive as to be insane, it's not 63 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 3: like buying a copy of would you say the Gettysburg 64 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 3: Address would be. But my beloved daughter Delaney, when she 65 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 3: was in England, she went to the Dickens Museum and 66 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: got me a reproduction of the first edition of A 67 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: Christmas Carol with all the original art and stuff like 68 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: that was absolutely lovely gift and very cool. When I 69 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: read A Christmas Carol this Christmas time, as I do 70 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: every single year, I will be reading it from that edition, 71 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: which I'm excited about. 72 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 4: But anyway, so you got rare copies of both the 73 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 4: crestation thing, right, So is that is that the one 74 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 4: where righting the title, Yes, that's the one where the 75 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 4: burglars break into the house and the kids parents had 76 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 4: gone on vacation. Yes, that's exactly and they said, up 77 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 4: the kid sets up various booby traps. And I've never 78 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: actually read to the end, but yeah, that's my understanding 79 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: of it. 80 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: Sorry, too funny not to go along with. So anyway, you. 81 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: Got the the EP and the thirteenth Amendment on sale 82 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: in June twenty six. The eighteen sixty three Probably Proclamation, 83 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 3: was originally signed by Lincoln, issued during the Civil War, 84 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: declared all enslaved people in Confederate States would be free. 85 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: The copy, which was signed a year later, is estimating 86 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: to sell for at least three million dollars. The handwritten 87 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 3: Amendment he signed on vellum in eighteen sixty five, ending 88 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: slavery nationwide, is expected to sell for at least eight 89 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: million dollars price that would triple its auction. 90 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: Record, and the two single sheet. 91 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: Papers represent the priceiest examples of each document to enter 92 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: the marketplace and should serve as a major test of 93 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: collectors appetites for historic American artifacts, and they actually get 94 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: into the market for this sort of thing, which I 95 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: found interesting. 96 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: The overall art market. 97 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: Is in a slump, but this category has enjoyed an 98 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: influx of gen X and millennial bidders ever since. A 99 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: copy of the Constitution sold a billionaire Ken Griffin for 100 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: forty three point two million dollars in twenty twenty one. 101 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 3: Griffin famously outbit a consortium of cryptocurrency investors to win it. 102 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: I have no idea how many original copies of the 103 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 4: Constitution there are, or there's six or sixty, Probably closer 104 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 4: to six than sixty because you had to handle the hole. 105 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 3: They were originally like thirty two assumeing if these numbers 106 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: are wrong and they're far fewer left now Katie, there. 107 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 5: Are only thirteen known surviving original copies. 108 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 3: Okay, good, Yeah, So aficionados are also getting more enthusiastic 109 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: as we approached our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. But 110 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 3: Lincoln is super super hot within the pantheon of historic signatures. 111 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: Demand has fallen off off in the past decade for 112 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: President Thomas Jefferson and Robert E. Lee, for instance, and 113 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: remained steady for George Washington and Ben Franklin. 114 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: Something from doctor Franklin would be very very cool. 115 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't be a guy who's got to sign 116 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: Robert a lease something hanging on your wall anymore. 117 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: Well, not north of Kentucky anyway. 118 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: Lincoln has proved to be the most coveted name in 119 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: the American rare documents arena Lincoln reigns, Supreme. 120 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: Said this authority from Sothabes. 121 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: The record so far for any Lincoln related document is 122 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: a three point eight million dollar copy of the Emancipation 123 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 3: Proclamation sold to an anonymous guy in twenty ten. That, 124 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 3: oh man, it stood out in part because it also 125 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 3: belonged to Robert F. Kennedy Senior, who bought it in 126 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 3: early nineteen sixty four for ninety five hundred bucks when 127 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: he was an Attorney general. Oh wow, now three point 128 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: eight million. 129 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 4: Don't you have a guitar pick from somebody famous or something? 130 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 4: Keith Richards guitar pick? 131 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 132 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: I also have Jimmy Page's cigarette, but which I actually 133 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: grabbed off the front. 134 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: Of the stage. 135 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 4: And where do you keep these artifacts? You're in your 136 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 4: pocket right now? 137 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: This pocket? Well right, they're in a little box in 138 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: my music room in my house. 139 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 4: How often do you show them to people? This gets 140 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 4: to our earlier discussion, how often do you open them up? 141 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: And look at him? Look at that guitar pick. I'll 142 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: be damned, it's opener. 143 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: I think I've shown the guitar pick once or twice 144 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: the guitar players in the I forgot I had the 145 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: Jimmy Page cigarette button until we just talked about it now. 146 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: So it's been twenty years since I've shown it to anybody. 147 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: Okay, so you're not getting not much enjoyment out of it, 148 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: I'm really not. 149 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: Of course, Let's keep in mind what I paid for 150 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 3: both of them, nothing and nothing true. Uh so interesting. Well, 151 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: here's some more interesting stuff. The upcoming version of the 152 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: proclamation has a storied history of its own. This copy. 153 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: Lincoln was already embroiled in the Civil War when he 154 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 3: signed the original Freeing and sleigh People on jan one, 155 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: eighteen sixty three. Great quote from Lincoln at the time quote, 156 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 3: I never in my life felt more certain that I 157 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: was doing right than I do in signing this paper. 158 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: Lincoln and Secretary of State William Sword later carved up 159 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: and mortally wounded by the assassin team that killed Lincoln 160 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: later signed an additional forty eight folio broadsides that were 161 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: sold for ten dollars apiece to raise funds for the 162 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: US Sanitary Commission, a private release relief agency that helped 163 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: wounded Union soldiers and their families. So they signed forty 164 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: eight more of them and sold them for ten bucks apiece. 165 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 3: Lincoln's original handwritten written manuscript of the proclamation was lost 166 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 3: in the eighteen seventy one Chicago fire. Oh wow, so 167 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: the printed copies have become very, very coveted. Only twenty 168 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: seven are known to survive, eighteen to which are now 169 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: tucked away in institutions, and nine are on the loose. 170 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: They're privately owned and occasionally come up for sale. If 171 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 3: you're really famous, so many of your things could be 172 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: worth something if they could be documented. I'm surprised that. 173 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 3: I mean, everything Lincoln had or touched it could be 174 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: worth quite a bit of money. His socks, his pants, 175 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: his hat, Yeah, his chair, it is just everything. Well 176 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 3: and famously, back in the day, people would write letters 177 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: to Lincoln or Washington or whomever and ask for a 178 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 3: lock of their hair, and they would and they would 179 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: accommodate people if they wrote a nice letter, they would 180 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 3: send them a lock of their hair. 181 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: It was really common. 182 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 3: And so once in a great while you'll see what 183 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: is allegedly Lincoln's hair come up frogs. And I remember 184 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: I was talking about that a few years ago that 185 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: I really wanted to buy some Lincoln's hair. 186 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,119 Speaker 6: Oh geez, And what. 187 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: Would you like? Tape it to your head and warning around. 188 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: Or showing it to friends together with Jimmy Page's cigarette, 189 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: but both of which would have to be DNA tested 190 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: for authenticity. Although I'm telling you, yeah, I saw Jimmy 191 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: smoke the thing, throw down the cigarette butts, and I 192 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 3: just grabbed one. 193 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 194 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 4: The prominence in all of these things is difficult. Although 195 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 4: that means word it came from actually and being able 196 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 4: to document it. 197 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. 198 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: But if but if you believe it it's true, right, 199 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 4: doesn't even make any difference. 200 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. 201 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: I get all hot to trot thinking about this stuff, 202 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: like something really cool from Ben Franklin. Then I always 203 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: come back to where we started this discussion. All right, 204 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: what would I do with it? 205 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: You know what? 206 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 3: It's partly an expression of my admiration and love for 207 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln, for instance, I would do that, but then okay, then, 208 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: but what good is it to me unless I tell people, 209 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: and then it's a showing off thing. 210 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm conflicted. I'm very conflicted. I would 211 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: wear Lincoln socks every day if I had them. 212 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: I don't think they're probably in wearing shape at this point. 213 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: I remember the old squares of the bloody pillow case, right, 214 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 3: if I remember correctly. 215 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: At one point there is some info about that. 216 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 4: I was just at Ford's Theater not that long ago, 217 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 4: oh right, with my kids, and there was some info 218 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 4: in there. Actually the house across the street, which I 219 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 4: don't think i'd ever been in before, the house across 220 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 4: the street where he actually. 221 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: Died, Yeah, it was. It's Katie. It is a very 222 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: small room. It's like under the level of the street. 223 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 3: What do you call that with like there's a skylighting window, 224 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 3: as I recall, But it was very dismal and small 225 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: and terrible and just kind of adds to the feeling 226 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 3: of what a miserable waste. 227 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: The assassination of Lincoln was. Wow. 228 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 4: Well in the weird stuff on that thing like that, 229 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 4: you know, a murder like a week later, it's pretty weird. 230 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 4: And disgusting to be in the room where somebody was 231 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 4: killed or died. But you wait long enough and it's 232 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 4: you know, everybody's just chattering and taking pictures and talking. 233 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, has there been I'm sure there. 234 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 3: I have been multiple great books written about the amount 235 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 3: of human suffering that was caused by the assassination Lincoln 236 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 3: because he couldn't oversee the early days of reconstruction established 237 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: his policies. 238 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would read that while I was wearing Lincoln socks. 239 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: That's what I would do if I had them. 240 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: You know, is there John Wilkes Booth memorabilia? No, probably not. 241 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: That wouldn't be cool. I would pee on it every 242 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 3: day or something, some expression of hatred. That's how I 243 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: would be normal on it. I'd tape on Lincoln's hair 244 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: onto my head and take my vengeance every day. 245 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,599 Speaker 2: You can get John Lincoln air for me, can't he? 246 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 6: No John Wilkes booth. 247 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: You can get his hair. What's I go for? Uh? 248 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 5: Thirty one thousand dollars and his wanted poster is also 249 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 5: going for twenty three thousand dollars. 250 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 4: They must be able to they must have a really 251 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 4: good way to authenticate that hair for it to go 252 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 4: for that much money. 253 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, the poster for twenty three k put put in 254 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 3: a bid for me. You considering it, I'm gonna buy. 255 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: Then I'll pay it back. Don'try. I'm good. 256 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, cool front me what it? Just 257 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: still pay it any time. If you come up short, 258 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 2: you'll sell off your cigarette butt right. The arm Strong 259 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: and Getty Show. 260 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: More Jack your Joe podcasts and our hot links Jack 261 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Joe Getty, The arm Strong and Getty Show. 262 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: Oh here you go. Here's my favorite Porsche joke. And 263 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: I owned one. What's the difference between a portion of 264 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: porcupine porcupine the picture on the outside. 265 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 4: Hey, and if that thought that that was course, wait 266 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 4: till the rest of the pot. I got two more things. 267 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 4: I thought I had nothing for the podcast. I got 268 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 4: two more things to say. 269 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: One. 270 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: I hope they were more, you know, uplifting than that 271 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 3: last one. 272 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 273 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 4: That's only up from here. Uh yeah, I don't want 274 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 4: to hurt anybody's It's just a fact. I know three 275 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 4: women in their mid forties who made the choice in 276 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 4: life to be childless and really really regret it now, 277 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 4: really really regret it now. Like is like makes them 278 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 4: cry thinking about it. 279 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 6: So that's common ish common ish. 280 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a couple of friends that are in 281 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 5: that exact same boat right now. 282 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: And folks, sometimes for medical reasons or sometimes a marriage 283 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 3: goes sideways reasons or whatever in the window closes. 284 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: That's that's very hard for them too. Yeah. 285 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 4: Well that's why the phrase chose. You know, it wasn't 286 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 4: a medical thing or something. Yeah, this was lifestyle. What 287 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: kind of were you going with? I'd rather on a Porsche. 288 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, this was like a failed marriage that ended horribly 289 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 5: and she said, screw it, I'm not doing this anymore. 290 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 6: And now we're like years down the road and. 291 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 4: She's like, that is definitely an evantge have a man, 292 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 4: because I didn't. I didn't have kids, so I was 293 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: forty five. It was an option for me as a dude, right, 294 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 4: she just gotta find a younger woman. And what was 295 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 4: my other thing? I was gonna say, Oh, so I'm 296 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 4: I'm picking up my son from the high school the 297 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 4: other day. This is on the cruelty of high schoolers. 298 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 4: I'm picking up my son at high school the other day, 299 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 4: and I got my window down and there's this one 300 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 4: kid that forever whatever reason that has dress shoes on, 301 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 4: and he's walking across the parking lot. He's like wearing 302 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 4: khakis and dress shoes, and some guy goes, oh my god, 303 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 4: hey Jim, look at his shoes. And then they're both 304 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 4: like a like so working so hard to laugh so 305 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 4: hard so they can point at somebody and mock them 306 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 4: and laugh. 307 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: How he's their self esteem by demeanian. 308 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 4: Right, Yes, And you know, as a grown up having 309 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 4: lived through that, when it was painful for me to 310 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 4: be on the wrong end of that, it just looked 311 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 4: so ridiculous, like why would you ever give us what 312 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 4: those guys think about your shoes? 313 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: It's too bad anybody does? I know everything? We like? 314 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: Why people a day for ten two? Why do they need. 315 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: To elevate themselves by trying to make that person feel 316 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 4: worse because they had to go to their I don't know, 317 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 4: they had to go to the something at the church 318 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 4: or funeral or who knows why they're wearing dress shoes. 319 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: But it's just it was so like. 320 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 7: Ha ha, look at his shoes, ha ha ha, what a dork? 321 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: I mean it was that my status is now higher 322 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: than his. 323 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to leave out to genderbread person, 324 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: for instance, and maybe just spend ten minutes on that. 325 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: Someday in like fifth grade, I almost wanted to go 326 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: over and talk to that guy. 327 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 4: He didn't seem to be predicular abotter, but you never 328 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 4: know what's going on inside his brain. Let's say, don't 329 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 4: give a shit those dicks think. When you're older, you 330 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: will not It will not make any difference whatsoever. 331 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 6: One of the many reasons why I am so glad 332 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 6: I'm no longer in n. 333 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 4: I school no kidding, no kidding, or do you have 334 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: the mind you have now? I can go back to 335 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 4: high school now would be hilarious people pointing in laughin 336 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 4: of everything's really what are you doing whatever? 337 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: It's just why would I freaking care what you think? Oh? 338 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: That would be you know, it's funny. I was about 339 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: to say, I wouldn't sentence al Qaeda to four years 340 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: of high school. It's too cruel. 341 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: On the other hand, when if you could bring your 342 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: life experience and confidence back. 343 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: For yeah, oh yeah, that would be. That would be 344 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: super great in some ways at least. Yeah huh. 345 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show, Yeah, more Jack your Shoe 346 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: podcasts and our hot links. The Armstrong and Getty Show. 347 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: Queer Canine Becomings, lesbian feminist cyborg politics and interspecies intimacies 348 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 3: in Ecologies of Love and Violence. 349 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 6: Oh, they have to be trolling that I know. 350 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: It's by Chloe Diamond Lenewe, who is an actual professor 351 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: at Eastern at the American University, which is in New 352 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: York or somewhere. 353 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 4: That sounds as one hundred percent as crazy as those 354 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 4: fake papers that James Lindsay and his friends put out. 355 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, which. 356 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 4: Makes his point that things are so off the rails 357 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 4: that you can't tell the difference between something that's real 358 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 4: and what's not. 359 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, exaggeration is completely impossible. My god, you can do 360 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 3: is what they did, and that's like equal the insanity, 361 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 3: except yours is completely fake but nobody can tell, which 362 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 3: makes the point. But you know, I feel like I 363 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: ought to read the abstract, but it's so long. I'll 364 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: hit you with it because Jack said, I, you know, 365 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: it'd be interesting to get that whole paper and see 366 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 3: how much sense it made on any level. 367 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: And you're right, But so here's the abstract. 368 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: This article offers a queer lesbian feminist analysis attuned to 369 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: lesbian queer trans canine relationalities. 370 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 4: And that really sounds like chicks having sex with dogs? 371 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 4: Is it not bestiality? 372 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: I just I can't believe they're expecting me to plow 373 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 3: through another queer lesbian feminist analysis to into lesbian queer 374 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 3: transcanine relation analities. 375 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 6: I just want to let you know this. Chicks pronouns 376 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 6: are she? 377 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 2: They? 378 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 6: The scene? 379 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 2: I like that. 380 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: I like your your activist pieces of crazy ass Marxist garbage. 381 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 3: Who who throw you the curveball of she? And you're 382 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 3: thinking her? But no, no, I use she and they. 383 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 3: If you call me her, I will be insulted. I'm 384 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: looking at her Facebook. 385 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 5: Her profile picture is a purple fist with a banner 386 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 5: that says professor of lesbian dance theory. 387 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 3: I don't mind watching lesbian's dance. That's my only theory. 388 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 4: And somebody who makes a living doing that, yes, gets paid. 389 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: Dance theory, Yeah. 390 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 3: To indoctrinate children into this incoherent gobbledegook of theory. Okay, 391 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 3: So I just that was like that was the first sentence. Specifically, 392 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 3: the article places queer and lesbian ecofeminism in conversation with 393 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 3: Donna Harroway's work on the cyborg and companion species to 394 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 3: theorize the interconnected queer becomings of people, nature, animals, and 395 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 3: machines amidst ecologies of love and violence in the twenty twenties. 396 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 3: It takes two key case studies as the focus for analysis. First, 397 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 3: the state instrumentalization of dogs and robot dogs for racialized 398 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: and imperial violence. Oh, you got a little race in 399 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 3: there too. I didn't see that coming. I mean, you 400 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: got lesbian robot dogs. You wouldn't think there's time to 401 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: work race in. But that's where you'd be wrong. Let's 402 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 3: see in the second I'm sorry. In the first article, 403 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 3: did I say that already? The article traces how dogs 404 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: are webonized as tools of state violence and proposes a 405 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 3: queer lesbian feminist critique of white supremacy and militarization that 406 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 3: can also extend to a critique of the violence committed 407 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 3: through toward the dogs. In the second whoof the article 408 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 3: analyzes how within lesbian, non binary and trans dog intimacies, 409 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: we got to stop there, don't we Let. 410 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 6: That they're having sights with dogs get to the fun part. 411 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: Really just started discussing that transdog intimacies. That does does 412 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: that mean like transgender dogs. That's like a former boy 413 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: dog who's now a leged bitch. I prefer to use 414 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: the technical term. 415 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 4: I was taking it as the interactions between trans people 416 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 4: and dogs. 417 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 6: Oh see, I was with Joe. I sounded like a 418 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 6: trans dog to me. 419 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 3: In the second the article analyzes how within lesbian, non 420 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 3: berry binary and transdog intimacies, dogs help articulate I think 421 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 3: you're right, Jack, queer gender sexuality and kinship formations and 422 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: as such, queer worlds for gender sexual and kin becomings. 423 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: The entanglements of violence and love in these queer dog 424 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 3: relationalities provide insights into the complexities of queer and lesbian feminists, 425 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: feminist world building, and finally, lesbian and queer feminist cyborg 426 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: politics can help theorize the potentials. 427 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: And challenges of these inter species and tangled So I'm 428 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: going to take at least a shot at what I 429 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: think this is. I appreciate the cyborgs in the end 430 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: because I was getting I was wondering where. 431 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 6: Where did they come from? 432 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: I'll be back you remember that that was great. I 433 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 2: think they believe. 434 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 4: That that because of our systemic racism and culture, dogs 435 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 4: are raised in such a way to not be friendly 436 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 4: to the trans lesbian community. And they have some concern 437 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 4: that the robot dogs that are coming our way are 438 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 4: going to be the same. And then when you end 439 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: up with robot people like cyborgs, now you're going to 440 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 4: have the robot dogs who are home transphobic, poorly treating 441 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 4: the robot humans. That's my guess that what this paper 442 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 4: is about. The hell, I think you may number one. 443 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 4: I am impressed. 444 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I admire you even being able to 445 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 5: somewhat analyze that. 446 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 3: I think you may be one notch off. And I'll 447 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 3: repeat the lessons. Let'sbian in queer, feminist cyborg politics can 448 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 3: help theorize the potentials and challenges of these interspecies entanglements. Well, no, 449 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: I think yeah, so so the relationship of a trans 450 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 3: person with a dog, robot or otherwise can dogs are 451 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: being raised to be transmissed ache And they're concerned that 452 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: when we have robot dogs and robot people it. 453 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 4: Will continue then we'll have transphobic robot dogs. How are 454 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 4: you trans if you're a robot though a person? What 455 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 4: difference does it make once you're a robot? 456 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 6: What are we talking about? 457 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm with Kittie. 458 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 3: I'm reminded of you know, you get somebody who's is 459 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: like a complete psychopath and does all these weird things, 460 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: and people say, what where is they thinking? No, No, 461 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 3: you can't come up with a rational explanation for the irrational. 462 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: You're wasting your time. You got to figure out Michael. 463 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 3: No, I was just thinking, this is why I took 464 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: aerobics in college. Yeah, I bowling, all right, I'm just 465 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 3: going to pick a sentence or two at random. At 466 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: the same time, it offers a model for a postgender 467 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 3: world that can be ironically blasphemous and subverts its origins 468 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: in the appropriation of women's bodies in a masculinist orgy 469 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 3: of war and other oppressive traditions, including the tradition of racist, 470 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 3: male dominated capitalism, the tradition of progress, the tradition of 471 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 3: the appropriation of nature is a resource for the production 472 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 3: of culture, the tradition of reproduction of the self from 473 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 3: the reflections of the other. One thing they sought to 474 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: spend more time studying is grammar like throw in a 475 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 3: period now and again, right, so I can break it 476 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: down by phrase. 477 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 6: Masculinist orgy of war. 478 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: Banda. 479 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 6: I saw them at the Warfield San Francisco. 480 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, wow. 481 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 5: I that she wrote this out and then threw it 482 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 5: into chat GPT and just said, make this as wordy 483 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 5: and confusing as humanly possible. 484 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 2: I would love to take a class with one of 485 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 2: these people. Love it. 486 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 4: God, I gotta see if I can take a class 487 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 4: like I'm sure my universeity has this sort of stuff 488 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 4: in the town I live in, UC Davis. 489 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: Take one of these classes and ask sincere. 490 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 4: Sounding questions like just fully indulge their bost just oh 491 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 4: my god, you've really hit something here with me, the 492 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 4: masculine orgy of war or whatever that phrase was, expound 493 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 4: on that for me with you, and just let them 494 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 4: go on with their right. 495 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: Well, what's revealing about this and so interesting and odd 496 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 3: is that this is again, I just picked another sentence 497 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 3: at random. In doing so, the article develops a queer 498 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 3: and lesbian feminist approach to living in coalition with the 499 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 3: more than human with attention to what Stephen's and Sprinkle 500 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 3: name in this journal issue is cosensing an ethical embodied 501 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: motive relating to the earth, a tune of the sensorial 502 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 3: and activated through the erotic playfulness. 503 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 2: And joy. 504 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 3: Every single sentence is so I mean, just stuffed full 505 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: of jargon. Yeah, it can mean whatever they say it means, 506 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: or mean nothing at all. 507 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 4: I'm so happy to have become tutored by James Lindsay 508 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 4: and his books and his tweets about how this is 509 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 4: on purpose to make you feel dumb, because I no 510 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 4: longer feel dumb when I hear this stuff. I realize 511 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 4: you're trying to You're trying to, you know, pull the 512 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 4: wool over my eyes by using a bunch of phrases 513 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 4: and words that don't mean anything or only mean something 514 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 4: to you and make me feel dumb. So I'll sit 515 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 4: here and listen to this crap, right, and I don't 516 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 4: feel that way anymore, which is good. 517 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it almost becomes a riddle. All right, what are 518 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 3: they talking about? I'm reminded, you know, we got we 519 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: did not get enough mileage out of the cliff that 520 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 3: came out. Might have been during the crazy Columbia demonstrations 521 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 3: like last winter, in which one of the leaders of 522 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 3: the up with terrorism, which is actually just down with 523 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: Western civilization. All of this boils down to tearing down 524 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 3: Western civilization. And this gal because of course it's an 525 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 3: angry woman was saying. 526 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: You've learned your. 527 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 3: Colonialist theory and your gender theory, and your queer theory. 528 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 2: And your March's theory or whatever. 529 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 3: It's time to take all of your theories and put 530 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 3: them into action. 531 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: And that was a really good kind of summary. 532 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 3: What all of this is, All of those wackadoodal theories 533 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 3: that fall under critical theory are all just different ways 534 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 3: to attack Western civilization and bring it to its knees 535 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 3: so you can infiltrate it and usher in your Marxist utopia. 536 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 3: And all of this stuff is what that looks like 537 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 3: inside the sausage factory. 538 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 4: It's something shuh, ain't I tell you this. I ain't 539 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 4: gonna pay for my kid to sit in one of 540 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 4: those classrooms and learn that crap. 541 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: It ain't gonna happen. 542 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 4: If they somehow decide they really want that, they'll have 543 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 4: to take out a loan or figure it out on 544 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 4: their own. 545 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 3: One more, Just one more, can I please? Lesbian feminism 546 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 3: integrated with queer ecofeminism, animal studies and critical posthumanisms provide 547 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: tools to rethink non heteropatriarchal relations across more than human realms. 548 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 3: Queer ecofeminism involves liberating the erotic alongside nature, queers and women, 549 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 3: challenging the hierarchical dualisms that link mind, body, reason, emotion. Man, woman, 550 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 3: you can't bipoc human animal, nature, culture and heterosexual queer. 551 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 2: It's almost impossible to believe it's real. It's almost impossible 552 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: to believe it's real. 553 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 6: I'm convinced for being trolled. 554 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: By this she they. 555 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 3: I can believe that somewhere in America there's a crazy 556 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 3: old man tunelessly playing the saw. 557 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 2: You ever seen anybody play the singing? I can believe 558 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: that and accept it. The idea that someone's. 559 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: Paying them to do that and they have tenure. That's 560 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 3: where it gets crazy to me. And that's what this 561 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 3: stuff is. 562 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 4: The most important thing we learned from today's podcast that 563 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 4: the purple fist represents what. 564 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 3: Katie Oh your break Yeah, professor of lesbian dance theory. 565 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 4: Yes, the purple fist is lesbian dance theory. Or as 566 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 4: Joey said, your scornchy's too tight around your wrist? 567 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: You mother cry too tight. 568 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getdy Show, your show podcasts and our 569 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: hot lenks. 570 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 7: The Armstrong and Getty shot Oh here's how money actually 571 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 7: works with theory seven dollars. 572 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: Beautiful shit ching, are you about to say something? 573 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 7: No? 574 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 3: Okay, So we're gonna do the one on one class 575 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 3: first and then two to one class. If this first 576 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 3: part is too obvious for some of you, congratulations on 577 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 3: understanding the basics of economics, which is a fairly rare 578 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 3: thing in today's world, which is highly discouraging. But first 579 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 3: of all, they're talking about who's this writer. I like 580 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 3: to give credit because it's really well written. Matthew Hennessy, 581 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: and the Wall Street Journal is talking about the fellows 582 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: in Oasis, the British rock band which is getting back together. 583 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: Wonderwall. He gets back, he. 584 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,239 Speaker 3: Gets into some of the backstory, the Gallagher brothers who 585 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 3: can't stand each other and can't get along, but they're 586 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: the indispensable members of the band Oasis. Last month, the 587 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 3: Boys Buried the Hatchet announced series twenty twenty five concerts. 588 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 3: Various fans we're young and relatively poor during the band's heyday, 589 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 3: are now older and relatively rich. They have the willingness 590 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 3: and ability to pay to see Oasis and concert. Economically speaking, 591 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 3: that's called demand. But demand is only one side of 592 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 3: the economic story morning glory for the moment. At least, 593 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 3: the Oasis reunion is limited to a handful of shows 594 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 3: in the Wembley Stadium is large, it's not infinitely so, 595 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 3: and there's no guarantee the brothers will remain on speaking 596 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 3: terms beyond next summer. Fans understand that this may be 597 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: their last chance to see the battling Gallagher lads together 598 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:29,959 Speaker 3: on stage. 599 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 2: Supply is limited now. 600 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: Introductory economics tell us that when supply is tight and 601 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 3: demand is high, prices rise to an equilibrium, which is 602 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 3: exactly what happened. Then he talks about dynamic pricing and 603 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 3: how the tickets are significantly more expensive than they seem 604 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 3: to be when initially announced. Some accuse the greedy brothers 605 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 3: of ripping off their loyal fans. Many more aimed their 606 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 3: furia ticket Master, the American ticket Sales BMTH owned by 607 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: Live Nation Entertainment. 608 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: The few revealed terrible. 609 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 4: Probably not going to hang argue me out of my 610 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 4: anger at Ticketmaster in general. 611 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: But go on, Oh the fees, the fees that creep 612 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 3: up onto your bill at the end. Yes, that's a 613 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 3: different topic and an interesting you're electronic sending me of 614 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 3: the ticket cost forty dollars. What yeah, anyway, putting that aside, 615 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 3: because this is just a question of the price of 616 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 3: the tickets. The furor revealed a terrible ignorance, even among 617 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 3: the highly educated, of what prices are and how they work. 618 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: I would argue to the journalists that. 619 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 3: Know, these are people posing as being outraged, they're not 620 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 3: actually outraged. Like the very Prime Minister of Britain, Kirs Starmer, 621 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 3: told the House Commons that he found it depressing to 622 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 3: hear of the Oasis price hikes. He promised a commission 623 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 3: to investigate what he called extortionate price resals whatever. Culture 624 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 3: Secretary Lisa Nandy told the Bebe that quote, vastly inflated 625 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 3: prices would exclude ordinary fans. 626 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 4: They have a culture secretary, Yeah, why do you need 627 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 4: that secretary of culture? And there should be some sort 628 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 4: of government intervention in that some things are more expensive 629 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 4: than others. 630 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: What yeah, bollocks? 631 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 3: In economic terms, a concert ticket and this is the 632 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 3: really important part. This is the econ one to one 633 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 3: stuff that if you don't understand it, you don't get 634 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 3: anything about economic A concert ticket is no different from 635 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: a book, a bottle, a wine, or a house. It 636 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 3: has no inherent value, only the price a buyer is 637 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 3: willing to pay and a seller is willing to accept. 638 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: The market clearing price of anything is where demand to 639 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 3: meet supply. The correct and fair price is whatever the 640 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 3: market will bear. No buyer has a right to a 641 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 3: low price, just as no seller has a right. 642 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: To a high price. 643 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 3: Then they point out the obvious Oasis could be nice 644 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 3: guys and sellar tickets for five bucks, but scalpers would 645 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 3: snatch them all up and resell them. 646 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 2: For much much more. 647 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 3: What good would it do for Oasis, for the ordinary 648 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 3: fan or anybody, to allow third party resellers to capture 649 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 3: all that value? 650 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: Well, that's what Yeah, that's what people don't understand about. 651 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 4: Sports, guitar players, whatever, actors and actresses. Somebody's going to 652 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 4: get that money because there's a demand for it. So 653 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 4: if it's not George Clooney or Shoheyo Tani or the 654 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 4: Gallagher brothers, then the company that puts on the show 655 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 4: or the game, or the network or whatever they get 656 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 4: the money. 657 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: But somebody's getting the money. It's just the way it works, right. 658 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 3: A couple more quick tidbits, and music industry guru explained 659 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 3: that the acts hide behind Ticketmaster. 660 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 2: They want them to take the flack for all this stuff. 661 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 2: Oh that's pretty good, that's probably true. 662 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not good for your image. But Ticketmaster takes 663 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 3: all the flack. And he also writes, here's the dirty 664 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 3: little secret. Ticketmaster does nothing that the band does not 665 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 3: agree to. So anyway, I thought that was a good 666 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 3: little instructional on if there's demand and little supply, the 667 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 3: price is going to go up and should and you 668 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 3: know what's gonna happen. The Gallery boys are going to 669 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 3: put down their fists and open up their calendars and say, 670 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 3: you know, I'm allan to play half a dozen more. 671 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 2: Shows, are you? And supply will increase in the prices will. 672 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 4: I was drunk in the backseat of an suv that 673 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 4: could go. 674 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 2: I have one. 675 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 4: Thousand, five hundred stories that start that way, but in 676 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 4: this particular one enter my seat. I was drunk in 677 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 4: the back of suv on the way to an Oasis 678 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 4: concert in Charlotte, North Carolina. 679 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety five when. 680 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 4: We heard on the radio that they had canceled the 681 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 4: concert because the two brothers had gotten a fistfight backstage. 682 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 2: So I still have not seen them. 683 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 3: Wow wow, Yeah, that legend not overblown. 684 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: No, that reminds me when they were like in their sixties. 685 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 3: The Davis Brothers it looks like Davies, but it's pronounced 686 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 3: Davis of The Kinks actually were continuing to come to 687 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 3: blows and scream at each other backstage in their sixties, 688 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 3: trying to tour. 689 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: Wow, get some counseling for us or something. Let it go, 690 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty