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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: show on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 2: he Matt Williamson and Matt I've got here Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Top five players at each position.

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Speaker 3: Oh fun, we've been dug into like the fourth safety. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: things like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but Bucky's Bucky does good work on dot com.

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Speaker 2: Let's see what what he has come up with here

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Speaker 2: and we'll start a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, bu He's got.

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels.

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Speaker 3: Two does it? Wow? May three? Not? Everyone loves May

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Speaker 3: And I feel like he's getting a little bit of

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Speaker 3: the short end of the stick at this point. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's got Michael Pennix four okay, and JJ

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Speaker 2: McCarthy five.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So Nick's outside next.

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Speaker 2: Is outside the top the top five. He has Pennis

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Speaker 2: head of McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: I understand that really good pastor of the football. I mean,

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Speaker 3: throws the ball well, he does. His mobility worries me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and his keep an eye on bow.

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Speaker 2: Nicks m so his that's his six guy, Okay, at

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Speaker 2: running back.

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Speaker 3: This is a we haven't talked about this at all,

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Speaker 3: you know, like who even the names are, but barely.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if any of these guys hear their

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Speaker 2: name called.

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Speaker 3: I bet nine a top fifty.

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Speaker 2: Before the Steelers pick at fifty two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I tend to agree. Maybe maybe we'll change our tunes,

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Speaker 3: someone will light up the combine, but.

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Speaker 2: It can always happen, right. So number one is Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Brooks the out of Texas.

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Speaker 3: He's coming off a major injury. Yeah. Two is Trey

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Speaker 3: Benson out of Florida State. He's a banger. He's an

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Speaker 3: old school he went earlier twenty years ago. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Three is Blake Krum from Michigan. Smaller, he's small, he's

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say Christian McCaffrey, but he's Christian

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Speaker 2: McCaffrey sized. Yeah, like two hundred and five pounds.

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Speaker 3: And McCaffrey Ward Down is going on too. I mean

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Speaker 3: the other guy in Michigan's pretty good. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Four is Bucky Irvin the out of Oregon.

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Speaker 3: He's more electric. Third down type is from what I've understood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and five is Odrich esteem.

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Speaker 3: As a notre dame dude. Yeah, Okay, good player, right estimate.

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Speaker 3: I think I think he.

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Speaker 2: Gets a little flare on the end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. I don't think any of those guys

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Speaker 3: were Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Keep an eye on brayln Allen.

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Speaker 3: He's another banger Wisconsin, huge downhill dude.

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Speaker 2: Like he if the Steelers had a need at running back, yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you in my bet that he was going to

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Speaker 2: be the Steelers running back yeah yeah, Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Heavy footed, but he's a banger, old Ron Daye type

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Speaker 3: from Wisconsin. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: At wide receiver, this.

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Speaker 3: Is a deep hard to figure out. Five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Marvin Harrison one, Okay, he's got a doing a second. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: neighbors three.

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Speaker 3: I prefer neighbors from what I've seen, but I see

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Speaker 3: the argument for both YEA fours work, I think.

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Speaker 2: And all three of those guys are probably going top ten. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean we're really sposing the hairs there right. Four

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Speaker 2: he is keth On Coleman.

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Speaker 3: I like Thomas better than Coleman, and he has Thomas

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Speaker 3: at five. Okay, but boys six through ten are really good. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean you're leaving a lot of good names off.

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Speaker 2: Coleman was a college basketball player as well.

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Speaker 3: Like, there's no he's a good player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, uh, he's keep an eye on Lab mcconky. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I think Lab McConkie might end up sneaking into the

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Speaker 2: end of the first round.

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Speaker 3: I've heard that he may run in the four threes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, like a lot of these light skinned slot

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Speaker 3: fellas don't run fast. Forties there are you know, quickness

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Speaker 3: and the change direction guys. But if he lights it

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Speaker 3: up and he's not tiny, no, he's yeah, maybe it

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Speaker 3: could be a chief. Yeah yeah, yeah at tight end.

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Speaker 2: This isn't a great brock Bauers one, Yeah, Jatavian Sanders.

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Speaker 3: Two.

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Speaker 2: He's got Cad Stover out of Ohio State. Three Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's got THEO Johnson from Penn State for.

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Speaker 3: Work in progress. But he's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a J. Barner from Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Five. Barner's wore the Steeler type ye six five six six,

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Speaker 3: better better athlete than like gentry. But I mean he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it. He's coming from Michigan.

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Speaker 3: He's blocking a lot, a lot. I think the Ohio

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Speaker 3: State dude does a fair amount too. His keep an

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Speaker 3: eye on is Ben Sinnett from k State. He's interesting

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Speaker 3: because he's kind of the fullback tight ender. Yeah. Now,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how the Steelers are going to dress

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Speaker 3: full back. I doubt they'll dress you know, draft him

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Speaker 3: in the fourth round or anything, but he's kind of interesting,

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Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, the line up all over the place.

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Speaker 2: The offensive tackles, and this is just such a what

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Speaker 2: a good group, really good group.

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Speaker 3: Uh. You got Joe Alt from Notre Dame. You need

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Speaker 3: to be pulling ahead of the pack.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got Fashanu from Penn State at two.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: At three, he's got Talasi Fuaga Oregon State.

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Speaker 3: Okay. At four he has.

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Speaker 2: Our Marius Mims from Georgia.

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Speaker 3: I see the argument for all those guys.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's got Latham at five, gotcha.

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Speaker 3: So Giding's not even on there, no.

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Speaker 2: Shows you how how good he is, right, And those

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Speaker 2: five guys could all be gone by the toime the

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Speaker 2: Steelers pick.

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Speaker 3: I think Goton could It could be six, gone, could

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Speaker 3: be six. Yeah, So who's just keep an eye on

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Speaker 3: his keep an eye on?

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Speaker 2: Is Troy Fatanu from Washington.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not sure if he's guard or what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I'm sure whoever drafts him,

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Speaker 2: is going to give him an opportunity, probably to play

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Speaker 2: tackle unless the team is really good at tackle and

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Speaker 2: not int and he didn't.

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Speaker 3: He didn't.

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Speaker 2: He was supposed to go to the Senior Bowl and didn't.

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Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen, like how long

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Speaker 2: are your arms?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Exact and we'll know that stuff in a month.

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Speaker 3: But I mean it's still he didn't do himself any

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Speaker 2: Ye interior blockers, It's got Graham Barton one.

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Speaker 3: Mm hm wow. He wouldn't be my one, but his

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Speaker 3: versatility is interesting and people rave about him.

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Speaker 2: Let's get Jacktion Powers Johnson too.

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Speaker 3: Okay, both those guys look like long term starters.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's got Cooper BB from k State three, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Christian Haynes from Connecticut four.

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Speaker 3: That adds up Zack Ziner from Michigan five. I don't

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Speaker 3: know the extent of his injury. I mean, is there

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Speaker 3: any chance he plays next year? I think it was

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Speaker 3: wasn't that a broken leg? Yeah, Frasier's was a broken leg.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's Enters.

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Speaker 2: I think Xenter was a broken leg. I heard Fraser

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Speaker 2: is actually running now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there were reports he goes to UH O line Mastermind,

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Speaker 3: which is Duke manny Weather. He's like a you know,

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Speaker 3: an O line specialist. And there's video of him like

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Speaker 3: running on a treadmill that was like a month ago.

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Speaker 2: I talked to him at the Senior Boy. He said

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Speaker 2: he hopes to be cleared in time to work out

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Speaker 2: at the combine. If not, he'll definitely work out A Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, he's a tough dude.

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Speaker 2: He's keeping an eye on.

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty good group though.

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Speaker 2: Over the interiar JV and Cohen from Miami.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks like a late second, early third type

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Speaker 3: of guy and a good player. Good for area UH

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Speaker 2: On the defensive side of things, it's got Dallas Turner one.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you could shake these up and put

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Speaker 3: them in almost any order.

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Speaker 2: He's got Lay two from u C. L A two, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Jared Versy from Florida State three. They're usually the top three,

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Speaker 2: Chop Robinson four, Brayln Trice from Washington five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they all were in the first round. Mix.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, keep an eye on Chris Braswell from Alabama.

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Speaker 3: This is uh. He didn't blow me away seasera bowl,

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Speaker 3: but I mean I think he's a second round pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, defensive tackles. And this is this is why when

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Speaker 2: when we talk about you know, we do I've seen

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Speaker 2: a lot Steelers need to draft a defensive tackle in

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Speaker 2: the first round, not from this group. In the first round.

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Speaker 3: The two best ones are short. Yeah yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: I don't think they even fit. I mean the two

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Speaker 3: in the first round. He's got jers On Newton one.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the two.

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Speaker 2: He's six to one. Yeah, he's Byron Murphy too, he's

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Speaker 2: six on one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. There, short, stocky, explosive.

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Speaker 2: They're like six ninety five pounds. That's just yeah, not

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Speaker 2: what you're looking for, what you're looking for. Uh, he's

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Speaker 2: got to and Andre sweat three.

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Speaker 3: I understand that. But he's not for everybody. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he would be.

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Speaker 2: He knows in this defense and nothing else.

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Speaker 3: In every defense. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 2: At four is Chris Jenkins from Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Good player. A lot of those Michigan dudes get more

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Speaker 3: productive in the pros because they're they're not asked to

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Speaker 3: freelance much. And you know, at.

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Speaker 2: Five is Darius Robinson from Missouri. I'm not listen as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet he goes. He might be the third

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Speaker 3: one off the board of that group.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he actually fits the He's the six five,

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Speaker 3: Did a little homework on the Clemson kid with the

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Speaker 3: funny name Oko or whatever, a Roque Row. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: got more promise than I thought. Yeah, he might be

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Speaker 3: talking about him a lot that Yeah, like that might

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Speaker 3: be the move in like the third round. Uh, just

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Speaker 3: keep an eye on his. Brandon Dorius from Oregon, Okay,

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Speaker 3: people are quite him too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's another one that's uh if you look at

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Speaker 2: his if I'm remembering this right, Yeah, six three two

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Speaker 2: seventy two cout he could he ball up a little

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Speaker 2: bit perhaps.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps, but he might not be a full time He

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Speaker 3: won't be a full time player right off the bat. Yeah. Everyone,

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Speaker 3: every defense will look at him differently too.

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Speaker 2: The linebackers, he's got Edger and Cooper number one at

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Speaker 2: the Texas A and M At two, he's got Jeremiah

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Speaker 2: Trotter out of Clemson, Okay. Three is Peyton Wilson at

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Speaker 2: NC State for Cedric Gray out of North Carolina. Five

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Speaker 2: Junior Colson out of Michigan.

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Speaker 3: All those guys would be useful. Yeah, I just don't

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Speaker 3: know if I want to pay the price that they're

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Speaker 3: gonna cost on drafted. They're probably all Day two guys.

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Speaker 3: And it's just against any of those dudes, but their

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Speaker 3: You can't get find everything draft.

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Speaker 2: Either, No, you can't do it that way. It's just

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Speaker 2: it's impossible. Like so, I've seen you know, people going

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Speaker 3: Know the blast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well they don't have anything left from their twenty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Ben in twenty eighteen, Ben Roethlisberger's and

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Speaker 3: That, Yeah, it's a while ago. Antonio Brown's light in

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Speaker 2: That was Bucky Brooks top players at each position in

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Speaker 3: But let's get through a break.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale LOLLI he is he Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 2: Matt We've been going over the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 3: I definitely don't think you look at guards. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just looking here at at the centers. We mentioned

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Speaker 2: Surprisingly, he doesn't have a market value on here, but

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00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 2: he's twenty six. I would imagine that's six to eight million.

441
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 3: I would think maybe more, Yeah, maybe more. He's definitely

442
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 3: a sending player, twenty six years old, moves well. I

443
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,399
Speaker 3: think it was a second round pick, and he's starting to,

444
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 3: you know, live into that. Be Oddish from Dallas is

445
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,880
Speaker 3: sort of interesting upgrade, but not the next Mike Webster,

446
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 3: you know, obviously, and James from the Raiders is also

447
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 3: sort of intriguing. Again, none of these names make you

448
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 3: do cartwheels. Everyone's gonna say, give me power Johnson. Hey,

449
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 3: I get it, I get it. But you can't get

450
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 3: everything in the draft.

451
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 2: You know, they have a market value here on Aaron Brewer,

452
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: a five point two million dollars.

453
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's David height.

454
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 2: And wait, I don't know that they let me see here?

455
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 3: They do not, okay, because I'm almost certain he's a tighten, right, Yeah,

456
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 3: I'm almost certain he's noticeably under three hundred pounds. Yeah,

457
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I know when he came in the league

458
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 3: that keep bulking him up. He may even have been

459
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 3: a tight end in another life, you know, I mean,

460
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,199
Speaker 3: and he's gotten better with it. But I don't know

461
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 3: if this team wants a two hundred and ninety five

462
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 3: pounds center.

463
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 2: No. I think part of the you know, been part

464
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,959
Speaker 2: of the issue that you can play teams that are

465
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 2: going to put somebody over top of you, and that's

466
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 2: going to be a struggle.

467
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 3: I mean, Damian Pierce is going to line up over you. Yeah,

468
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 3: how old is he? He is?

469
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 2: Twenty six?

470
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 3: Okay, I thought it was first contract guy too. Yeah,

471
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 3: it's not great.

472
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: I would rather just go into this draft trying to

473
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: get that guy and doing what I need to do

474
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 2: to get that guy, because I want to solve that

475
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: position and they don't have to think about it for

476
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 2: the next decade.

477
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 3: I hear you. I mean, because this draft sets up

478
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 3: quite well in one of the top two rounds that

479
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 3: you should be able to get run you know, one

480
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 3: of the two. I hear you. But I also would

481
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: love to get a receiver in a corner and a

482
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 3: tackle and you know what I mean, And I don't

483
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 3: want to go tackle shopping. Yeah, although I can live

484
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 3: with Dan Moore, I mean, I can live with Mason Cole,

485
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 3: but I think you could try to do better one

486
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 3: or both those positions for sure, But I assume if

487
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 3: they don't sign one, Cole's probably still on the roster,

488
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: maybe restructured, maybe not. And in a very Kevin Colbert

489
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 3: like manner, I could live with him when I can

490
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 3: line him up on Sunday, but I might end up

491
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 3: with Powers Johnson or one of those dudes that's way

492
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 3: more upside, you know.

493
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's just it's not super exciting.

494
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 3: It's not a no no, it's far from exciting. I mean,

495
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 3: like James with the Raiders is an ascending player that

496
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,719
Speaker 3: no one knows anything about that's listening. But he's solid,

497
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 3: you know. I mean it's there's a little bit of

498
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 3: a spoiled Steeler fan here too, like Pouncey Webster Dawson. Like, yeah,

499
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 3: that's great, But you can live with the twelfth best

500
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 3: center in the league. Two and that doesn't go to

501
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl every year, you know. I just but there

502
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 3: is maybe one sitting there looming on draft day. Yeah,

503
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 3: and maybe I'm I'm torn on it.

504
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not powers Johnson or bust because things can happen.

505
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: Teams could trade ahead of you, somebody else could take him.

506
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: That's just the way it goes. It's a draft. You

507
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: don't have the first overall pick, nor would you spend

508
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: the first overall pick on a center.

509
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 3: But he's really attractive and it's a really good chance

510
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: he's there at twenty yeah. Yeah, and Frasier is pretty

511
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 3: attracted to and there's a really good chance he's there in

512
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 3: the fifties. I hear you. What I haven't come to

513
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 3: the great conclusion with is what positions outside the organization

514
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: do you spend on in free agency. I don't want

515
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 3: to spend on tackle. A third receiver doesn't really excite me.

516
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 3: Either in a really strong receiver draft and center on

517
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 3: offense is really the only one that makes much sense

518
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: to me. If you're going to go get a corner,

519
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: but we've gone through those, you're not going to get

520
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 3: Snead or Johnson probably. Do you want to give a

521
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 3: woozy a twelve million and hope that that's a noticeable upgrade.

522
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: I understand spending on a safety. I understand spending on

523
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 3: a B level linebacker.

524
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: I also don't have to spend that. I know, I know,

525
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: I know, Like that's the that's the thing here. And

526
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: if I have to go again, we went over this

527
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: receiver list last week. If I have to spend four

528
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: million dollars to go get a third wide receiver, okay.

529
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: Josh Reynolds or yeah, yeah, yeah, something that's serviceable. I

530
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 3: just would like to eliminate a need or two before

531
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: you bake your first draft pick. Yeah, you know, takes

532
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 3: something offul.

533
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: They actually have a market value here on Nick kna Westbrook.

534
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was the either two five million. Yeah,

535
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: like I would do that hard spend. Yeah, you know, I.

536
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 2: To me what the Steelers did last year, and it's

537
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: kind of the way that they've always approached free agency

538
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: is to give me quantity over quality. Yeah, it's not

539
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: necessarily over quality. I'm still getting quality players, but I'm

540
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: getting them a bunch of.

541
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 3: Them to be minuses and seven A yeah, something like that. No,

542
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: I can see that because you end.

543
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: Up overpaying for the A and two years from now

544
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: you might not be happy with that contract.

545
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 3: I want to throw something out at you. I already

546
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: know your answer. Would you consit? Not Chris Jones, but

547
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: Wilkins or Reader. There's another defensive tackle hitting the market

548
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: that's going to be expensive.

549
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: Job I'm not interested in spending twenty million.

550
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 3: Dollars as a twenty million dollars twenty six year old,

551
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: really good defensive tackle. And to do that, you cut

552
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: Oak and Joby. You know which Freese eight or nine

553
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: or something like that. I don't even know if those

554
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: guys will hit the market, you know, Wilkins Reader, I

555
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 3: bet Reader does. Chris Jones. I'm not talking about I'm

556
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 3: not talking about going to get the highest paid if.

557
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even if Reader signs in the

558
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: off season coming off.

559
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: A twenty, don't know what his injury stuff is. ACL

560
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 3: wasn't yeah, and it wasn't early early in the season lately, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

561
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 3: but there's there's one more name I'm trying to think

562
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: of that's a star.

563
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: Here's the here's the problem. This is always the issue

564
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: that it's not their style. You're not going to pay

565
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 2: any defensive lineman that you got coming in more than

566
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: you're paying Cam.

567
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 3: Hayward, right right, right, and they would demand it, and

568
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: that's what they would want.

569
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 2: And Cam Heyward's base salary is sixteen million dollars and

570
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: you're not a going to go ask Cam Heyward. Is

571
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 2: some people are suggestfully you need to go get him

572
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: to take a pay cut. You're not going to ask restructure.

573
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: But you're not restructure.

574
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 2: But you're not going to get it. You're not taking

575
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: a pay cut. If you're Cam Heyward, you're saying no.

576
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 3: The conversation with Cam isn't going to be we're going

577
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: to pay you ten millions year taking to leave it, right,

578
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: That's not going to.

579
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: Be that conversation, right, So you're not going to pay

580
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: that guy more than you're paying Cam, especially if you

581
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: get him to lower his contract. I just don't see that.

582
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: I have no idea what reader would cost. He's more

583
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: of a nose. But he's good. I mean, like you

584
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: would be really good in the tray if he can't

585
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: play well, not if he can't play right. Are you

586
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: looking at the d tackle list?

587
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the Steelers Cellar caut Okay, okay, but

588
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: I can I can get to the defensive tackle list here.

589
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: Because I don't want to god tackle shopping in the draft. No,

590
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: it's not a good Yeah, I mean it just is

591
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: bad business. I can live with Ogan Joby, but if

592
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 3: I could turn my thoughts are just trying to look

593
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: at it from different angles. If I can turn Ogin

594
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: Joby plus eight million into a pro bowler, I think

595
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: about it.

596
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: I mean you're looking at.

597
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: But I bet Wilkins is twenty huge, huge money here.

598
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: Chris Jones, for example, the High Speed Defense twenty two

599
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: point four million dollars.

600
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I ain't. I'm not even considering him.

601
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins.

602
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: I bet he's over twenty twenty ish. Where is he

603
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: at here?

604
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't like how they sort these.

605
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 3: I know sometimes that site's hard to find. Even if

606
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: he's sorted by snapcounts. That doesn't mean Christian Wilkins. You're

607
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: looking at twenty point two million. Yes, that's about what

608
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: I thought. He's twenty six, twenty seven, Yeah.

609
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a tough mark at the shopping it

610
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: is dayke one Jones, he's thirty two.

611
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jones would be much cheaper.

612
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: Six point eight million.

613
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay. But you're a stop gap one year.

614
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: You're kind of renting him for a year.

615
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 3: You know, I'm looking. I do want to bring Watts back.

616
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: I would like to do that. He's not in this neighborhood.

617
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a backup rotation guy.

618
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you yeah, I don't know if they

619
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: have a number here on him.

620
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: I bet he gets a million dollar raise than what

621
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: he does.

622
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: He made one point two this year.

623
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's probably two to two five something like that.

624
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: I got no problems with it. And that's if I

625
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: got to do that, and that's how that money is allocated.

626
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: I would rather do that with the guys that I

627
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: know and who know my system getting oh yeah, getting

628
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 2: raises as opposed to I'm in addition to him.

629
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: I think you bring him back at that number no

630
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: matter what. Yeah, and in the exact same role. I'm

631
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: talking about someone over ognjoby because you can't afford both,

632
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: and you could save money by cutting Ogunjoby. I don't

633
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: know a problem with Ogunjobi.

634
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you're not gonna give me Matt a

635
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: bouquet that was the other name.

636
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: I know it was gonna be really expensive. He's gonna

637
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: be the same number as Wilkins, probably.

638
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: Twenty point three, so he's a little bit more. Yeah,

639
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: but that's I mean, that's why he wouldn't be a

640
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: raven right right, I mean DJ Reader at twenty, he'll

641
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: be thirty, coming off off of a knee injury. He's

642
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: fifteen million. I'm interested, though, see I'm not. I mean

643
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: for a guy who's coming off a knee injury, well.

644
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: My doctors would have to clear. I mean I can't

645
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: comment on the injury. I mean, assuming he's ready for CAM.

646
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: He got hurt in week fifteen, was it? Yeah, and

647
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: he's not young. I would just be interested or kick

648
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: the tires on Ogin Jobe. Plus nine million out of

649
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: pocket turns me into an upgrade there, big upgrade, like

650
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: pro Bowl type dude.

651
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: Like that's where it gets difficult because you know who

652
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: fits into what you want to do.

653
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: It's Wilkins, It's Reader, healthy, it's made bouquet. Yeah, that's

654
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: an expensive wi. I mean that's not usually their style.

655
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: It is not. I mean it really isn't. Mix those

656
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Speaker 3: guys with Benton and Cam and yeah.

657
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: I just think at that position you try to develop

658
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: what you have and continue to work that way. To me,

659
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to.

660
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: I also don't mind Adams coming back to No, I would.

661
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: I would Watts and Adams could both come back.

662
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this I'm looking at this, this man, this

663
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: group here, I would.

664
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Speaker 3: Go bigger, go nothing. Yeah, I mean except for the

665
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: two guys that were here last.

666
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: You're gonna spend ten million dollars on Sheldon Rankins.

667
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I mean it would have to

668
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 3: be somebody that's noticeably better than O Jobi. This is

669
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: the only waters I'm shopping in. If I'm gonna spend

670
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: money money, yeah, yeah, And I don't think they will.

671
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: I just think you gotta look at every angle, at

672
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: every position. They are gonna have somebody to spend. Where's

673
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: it gonna go? You know?

674
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Quentin Jefferson like, no, he's thirty one.

675
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: No, that doesn't qualify for me. Yeah, it would be

676
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: one of those big names would be Bada, Bouquet, would

677
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: be Wilkins, it'd be Reader.

678
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty three old Fletcher Cox.

679
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: No, he'll be an Eagle or nothing. Yeah too, No,

680
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: not this again. It would be a home run or nothing.

681
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: At the tackle for.

682
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, I just can't. I'm not gonna those guys

683
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: are gonna get bidding wars. Oh you're gonna get into

684
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: a bidding war for the defensive tackle. I'm not gonna

685
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: go there.

686
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna get three years, sixty million, three years,

687
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: sixty three million, something like that, big bonus, big money.

688
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: That's not usually their move I get it. Yeah.

689
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: Outside of that, I mean, you know, the linebacker position

690
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: we've talked about, I think you can get some guys there,

691
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: and same as safety. Yeah, safety, I think you can

692
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: get some guys there.

693
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and hopefully there's some dudes that are cut. Yeah.

694
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: Maybe there's some new names of that list in the

695
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: coming weeks. It would be interesting for all positions. Yeah.

696
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: One that we haven't talked about that they now have

697
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: an opening for is punter.

698
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. And would you go get a real one, you know,

699
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: like someone that's whoever the best guy in the market

700
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: is for two point five million and just be done

701
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: with it.

702
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: Well, here's the interesting thing. Braden Man, who they cut

703
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: to keep Presley Harvin last year, Yeah, is a free agent. Okay,

704
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: he's twenty he's twenty six years old. He was in

705
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: with you all throughout camp last year. He ever's forty

706
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: nine yards of punt this year in Philadelphia.

707
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: In Philadelphia, that's a call you make. I mean, or

708
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: they don't have projected salaries for him.

709
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: They do not have the FEN but he's unrestricted.

710
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: He's expensive, right, Yeah. Some of these other guys I

711
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: like the familiarity factor.

712
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cameron Johnston from Houston, Tommy Townshend from Kansas City.

713
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: I know nothing about punters. I didn't even know who

714
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: Kantasay's punter was, to be honest with you.

715
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: I mean, there's embarrassing, But there's guys here that you

716
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: could sign, yeah, who have been punters.

717
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: And I don't hate that route as opposed to using

718
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: a seventh round pick on a guy and hoping he hits. Yeah,

719
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: you know, I would rather go the I mean again,

720
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: man makes a lot of sense. Man would be just

721
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: be done with it.

722
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: To me, I think that they released Presley Harvin instead

723
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: of bringing him back. To camp again for some same

724
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: reason we talked about. They had both of those guys

725
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: in camp last year.

726
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: How do I cut him? He's booming things left and right?

727
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: And the nice one, Harve, was clearly the winner in

728
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 2: training camp. Yeah, we watched it. Oh yeah, and then

729
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: you go into the regular season and Bradon Man everages

730
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: forty nine yards of kick and Pressley Harvin averages forty

731
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: three forty four And I.

732
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: Think anyone watching would have picked Harvan over May right.

733
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think they looked at it and said,

734
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: you know what, We're not gonna be tempted. We're not

735
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: gonna be full by that again.

736
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: And I looked at it.

737
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: If you Presley Harvin in September of his career average

738
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: forty six yards a kid, Presley Harvin in December and

739
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 2: over the last four games of the season average forty

740
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 2: one yard.

741
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: Again, that's a massive difference, and you can't have that. Yeah.

742
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: So I think they looked at it and said, you

743
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: know what, we made the mistake last year by cutting

744
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: Braidon Man instead of Pressley Harvin. We're not gonna be

745
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 2: tempted by that again. Let's get him, get him out.

746
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: Of the building.

747
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: We've We've been fooled three times by this.

748
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: Now. I kind of assumed all along we'll be talking

749
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: at camp next year as a seventh rounder and an

750
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: undrafted free agent going at it, or three undrafted free

751
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: agents going at it. But it's hard to tell what

752
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: they really are in that environment, either the best special

753
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: teams coach or punter guru of all time, unless one

754
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: of them is awesome and a big part of the job.

755
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: He's holding on spend on on field goals and point afters. Yeah, yeah,

756
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: it's got to be somebody that Boswell, that's people are

757
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: Why didn't they bench Presley Harvin for the playoffs because

758
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 2: he's your hold, he's holder.

759
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's like bench and Nolan Ryan's favorite catcher,

760
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: youah know what I mean?

761
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: Like that's even worse than that. Yeah, this puts points

762
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: on the board, and you're gonna put somebody in who

763
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 2: Boss wasn't worked with all your long.

764
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if Man's a good holder or not.

765
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: I have no clue, but he's in the league. If

766
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: you bring him in, at least he can work with

767
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: him on it. Yeah. The Eagles kicker was great to

768
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: the hold must been decent. I mean again, that great analysis.

769
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: But right, yeah, no, I like that route. I'd love

770
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: to not talk about punters again. Just sign one that's

771
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: the guy. Yeah, just even if it's a million more

772
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: than you plan on spending.

773
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're they're again, they're veteran guys out there,

774
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: and there may be more veteran guys out there.

775
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: And they're probably a couple that are become available to. Yeah.

776
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: It only becomes a problem when you don't have a

777
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: good one. Yes, yes, Otherwise, I mean, you know, if

778
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: you everage go out there an average forty five yards

779
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: of punt and every you average forty five yards of

780
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: punt in September and you averaged forty five yeah, yeah,

781
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: you can't give me a thirty five yard or in

782
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 2: the in the rain in Baltimore and just go, oh

783
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,479
Speaker 2: well that's okay.

784
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that happened.

785
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: You gotta be consistent.

786
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 3: I was looking for his name. I guess he didn't qualify,

787
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: but I this chart here of EPA for punters, Harvin

788
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: was on. It was thirtieth. Yeah, and I don't see

789
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: man's name on here. He's higher, he has to be higher. Oh,

790
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: he's real high. Okay, I went. He is one, two, three,

791
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: four fives. He's seventh. Yeah, he was seventh best punter

792
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 3: in the league basically last year. I'll give that two million, right.

793
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: I'll yeah, yeah, I'll give him good money to come here.

794
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, do that. Yeah, it'd be great. Just be consistent,

795
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: and you know I can trust you.

796
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: I will say this, if you look back at the punters,

797
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: the guys who punted when the Steelers won Super Bowls,

798
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: it is not a who's.

799
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: Who of They're not Hall of famers.

800
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: They're not Hall of Fame punters.

801
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: No, like a fun game in Steeler history is let's

802
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: put together the best eleven you know, punters not so

803
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 3: great No punters not you know, like at least kickers.

804
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: There's Gary Anderson and there's bas you know, there's borderline

805
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: Hall of famers, and there's Hall of famers at every

806
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 3: other position. It's like, what punter And they've won a

807
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: lot of games without, you know, star punters. Yeah, but

808
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 3: you can't be bad. They think you can't be bad there. Yeah,

809
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: I think that's the goal. I like that call. Yeah, Man,

810
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 3: would be a call I'd be making right now.

811
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you can't make it. Yeah, when you're allowed

812
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: when you are allowed to tell anyone, so you know

813
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: that might be their first move in for you.

814
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 3: It might be like, oh, boys, Steelers really right, And.

815
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: The jokes will fall on the signing a punter because.

816
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that they don't not evaluate anyone. They

817
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: didn't keep the right guy last year, they could have

818
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 3: had them this year. Blah blah blah. They're idiots.

819
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, folks. We saw every kick. It wasn't

820
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: a training camp and it wasn't close.

821
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Harvin's and tease he is. He is. In August,

822
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: he crushes them. It looks like he's kicking the ball

823
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: with helium and the other the will happen. We were

824
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: trying to joke about this. On Monday, the Falcons will

825
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: sign them or the Saints will sign them, and they'll

826
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 3: be like, oh, Steelers couldn't get anything out of this guy.

827
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: He'll average fifty yards of kick the right Yeah.

828
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: Never play a bad weather game, Yeah, and they should

829
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 3: sign them.

830
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: He just he's not a bad weather punter. No, he

831
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: just isn't.

832
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: It's happened to herefter year. Yeah, and boy the shanks

833
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: were brutal.

834
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just couldn't live with it him. No, you

835
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,840
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836
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864
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Speaker 3: Agree. I mean, there's not many. I have to really

865
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: give it some thought, but there.

866
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Speaker 3: Okay, I think the Lions would be one. Trying to

869
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00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: I mean, but yeah, there's there's not many classes I

871
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: would put over the Steelers.

872
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 2: Top to bot yeah, and Chad Reuter wrote this. Here's

873
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 2: what he had to say about the Steelers. Roderick Jones

874
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 2: began the year backing up Dan Mooret left tackle, starting twice,

875
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: and then stepped in on the right side. As expected,

876
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 2: Jones was an athletic and feisty blocker for the Steelers

877
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: down the stretch. He should be a long term starter

878
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: at either tackle spot, depending on how the team approaches

879
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: the offseason.

880
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: He nailed that yeah yeah on the running game spiked

881
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 3: when he came into.

882
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah Joey Porter junior was no legacy pick, as the

883
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: son of a famed Steelers pass rusher of the same name,

884
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: team saw great values sitting there with the first pick

885
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: of the second round. After a few weeks, Porter became

886
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: the starter and gave up just one touchdown the entire

887
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: season according to the Next Gen Stats, earning a spot

888
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: among the defensive Rookie of the Year finalists. I expect

889
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: he'll be joining his dad among the ranks of the

890
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: NFL Pro Bowlers in the near future.

891
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: Well said, yet again, Yes, nailed it. Yeah. Like Porter,

892
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: Kean U.

893
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: Benton played in every game in His strength and athleticism

894
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: were evident throughout. The selection of the hustling Nick Krbig,

895
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: who had three sacks as a strong reserve, gave the

896
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: Steelers a trifecta of excellent rookies who immediately improved all

897
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: three levels of the defense. Darnell Washington was such a

898
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: perfect fit for Pittsburgh. It's no surprise that he logged

899
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: a lot of snaps. He had just seven receptions on

900
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: the year for sixty one yards, but it was his

901
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: blocking that earned him a spot in the field. As

902
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: the team's two tight end sets. He earned the fourth

903
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: best pass blocking grade on the team. Yeah per Pro Football.

904
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 3: Focus, gotcha again. My expectations for those three are I mean,

905
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: Benton obviously way out snapped her Big, but I think

906
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: both those guys roll snap per percentage will go up

907
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: next year. Golden's a free agent, but I think he

908
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: could be back. But either way, I think Herbig's going

909
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: to see the field more. I think Benton becomes more

910
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: of an every down player, and I think Washington gets

911
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: more involved in the passing game. I don't think he's

912
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: a catch fifty balls, but I mean I think he

913
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: gets more involved in the passing game. So they got

914
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: an A.

915
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: They should Cincinnati got a B plus, which is saying

916
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: something considering their number one pick, Miles Murphy.

917
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: He was sort of there. It didn't great, dude, Diddley

918
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: Pooh run through the names real quick if you would.

919
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: Don't need to read the paragraph, but just who they were.

920
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: Round one was Miles Murphy at twenty eight. At sixty,

921
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: they took DJ Turner.

922
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: He played a lot, became a Yeah.

923
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: In three, they took safety Jordan Battle.

924
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: They have enough snapcounts or anything there seventeen Game seven

925
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: starts for better. Okay, okay, yeah, their safeties were problems

926
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: this year, though.

927
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: Round four was Charlie Jones.

928
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 3: Okay, wide receiver, could be in the mix for the

929
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 3: third receiver. Yeah, next year.

930
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: Round five was Chase Brown running back.

931
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: That's a hit.

932
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: Round six andre Ya Sivas.

933
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 3: He could be in the mix with third wide receiver.

934
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: Brad Robins or punter in round six as well. And

935
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: round seven was dj Ivy, another cornerback.

936
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: Not a bad class. I would give it like a

937
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 3: C plus B minus.

938
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gave him a B plus. I don't know

939
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: if I get I don't know if I go B plus.

940
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: Can't have your your first round.

941
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: I don't see any stars there.

942
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: DJ Turner played a lot. Yeah, it wasn't great.

943
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: And no, I think he'll be a starter next year.

944
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: And I know when the Steelers played then they went

945
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: after him.

946
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, I wouldn't think that's a great class.

947
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of a C.

948
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree the Ravens.

949
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: I remember when the Ravens do their drafts, they get

950
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: an A plus every time.

951
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: Of course, but of course, uh so that was z A.

952
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: Flowers in round one at twenty two.

953
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: They're happy with that. Yeah, it worked.

954
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: Round three they have a second round pick.

955
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 3: It's the first year they even had a ton of picks. Yeah. Wow.

956
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: Round three was Trenton Simpson.

957
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: We'll see the linebackers, the queen replacement.

958
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 2: Round four was Tavius Robinson and the edge rusher.

959
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 3: Oh what he did if seventeen games one start must

960
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: have been a special team are Yeah.

961
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: Round five was Cayu Blue Kelly kind of like them

962
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: coming out. He ended up season playing for Green Bay,

963
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: then with Seattle, then with Washington.

964
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: He didn't make the final roster. No, okay, he was

965
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: on three different teams, last four different teams.

966
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: Round six my life malisala Avoy Hey Lalu, an offensive lineman.

967
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: Didn't play.

968
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

969
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: Round seven was Andrew Vorheist didn't play and he was.

970
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: Kind of the zinter though. Remember he got hurt at

971
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: the combine. So maybe he's in the mix this year.

972
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah maybe yeah yeah, And then they signed Keaton Mitchell

973
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: as well. Oh good, so they put it on drafted

974
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: free agents. Yeah, Mitchell was worth it.

975
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: They got a B for that, and he's a Flowers

976
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: was more impactful than he was, more impactful than anybody

977
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: that was on Cincinnati's.

978
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: Draft class, no doubt. But the rest of that classes blah, yeah, yeah,

979
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: I'm not impressed. Those are both season to me.

980
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: C C plus's the Browns, well, they got to see

981
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: they didn't have a high pack either. Cedric Tillman at

982
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: seventy four.

983
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: I expected a lot more out of him. He didn't

984
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: look good at all year.

985
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: Siaki Ika at ninety eight.

986
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: Did he get any starts?

987
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: No, he only played in four games.

988
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: Okay, he was often a healthy scratch of sketch Day.

989
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: One Jones to start in round four one to eleven.

990
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: That's proby their best pick.

991
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: Isaiah McGuire won twenty six four games, one start, Dorian

992
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: Thompson Robinson eight game, three starts. Maybe he's a long

993
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: term number two that was around. That was a pick

994
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: one forty in round five, one forty two. Then they

995
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: took Camera Mitchell cornerback thirteen games, three starts, Luke Wippler

996
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: in round six at pick one, ninety five games, one start,

997
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: and notable free agent Mohammed Diabate, a linebacker started one game,

998
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: played in all sixteen or sixteen games. I should say

999
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: Ronnie Hickman at safety ten games, four starts, and Khalif

1000
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: Khalif Helassie at cornerback nine games one start, Okay, I

1001
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: mean that's his definite seede.

1002
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: That's a siege. I's no star power. Yeah, didn't have

1003
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: any early picks. I mean Jones might be a long

1004
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 3: term right tackle, which you were real happy about. I

1005
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: mean his durability and weight would scare me, but it

1006
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 3: didn't pay a lot for him. Tilman needs to be better.

1007
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: This is their problem though, is they need to hit

1008
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: on some of these guys. Oh?

1009
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they have to because they traded all the

1010
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: pics away.

1011
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: Did the Steelers not have any signed free agents?

1012
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: They didn't have any free agency?

1013
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 3: Am I missing somebody? I didn't think this was not

1014
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 3: like and Jalen warren k. Yeah, yeah, it made an impact.

1015
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: I definitely woul take the Steelers number one, and it's

1016
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 3: not even close in the division. Yeah, and I think

1017
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: the Browns are pretty clearly four. Yeah. The other two

1018
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: are okay. I mean Zay Flowers is a really nice player.

1019
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: But she didn't get that really nice yeah, other than

1020
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: Keith Mitchell, and he only lasted eight games.

1021
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe this is an exaggeration, but is a

1022
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: Flowers the only really nice player in the division that's

1023
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: not a Steeler? You know, like yeah, might be a

1024
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: pro bowler one day or I mean he's a long

1025
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: way from that, and you know, at that position, but

1026
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: I mean he's the only one.

1027
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 2: Like certainly take Porter over DJ Turner. Oh yeah, they're

1028
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 2: both second around draft picks, not far far apart, but still.

1029
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about non Steelers. Who else is a

1030
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: really nice player in a division? It's a rookie that's

1031
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 3: not named Flowers. I can't quite go there with Dwan Jones.

1032
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: And if you're putting together.

1033
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: A list of the top five rookies in the division.

1034
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 3: It's Flowers and probably four Steelers. Maybe Jones is fifth

1035
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 3: or something. Yeah, you know, but Benton, Porter and Steelers

1036
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 3: Jones are all on the list.

1037
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all on there.

1038
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'll take Steelers Jones over the Browns

1039
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: Jones a tackle. Yeah, they're both you know, hits. Yeah,

1040
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: it's not great good draft. Need to repeat it. They

1041
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: need to repeat it. Boy, that would go a long way.

1042
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: And when you look back and Steeler history, putting two

1043
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 3: really good drafts together usually pays off. Yea, oh no doubt.

1044
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you get in in any draft, when you

1045
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: get if you get three starters out of a draft hit.

1046
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: It was an excellent draft, an excellent draft. Yeah you

1047
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: get two, you did, Okay.

1048
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: I still think Spencer Anderson could be a player here. Yeah,

1049
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: like they're gonna probably, I don't know if it will

1050
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 3: make the team the next three years, I mean out

1051
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: of crystal ball, but I bet he ends up starting

1052
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: or being useful on his rookie contract. Yeah, maybe as

1053
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: soon as next year.

1054
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. Yeah, well, I mean I think it

1055
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: was a hit, and we'll continue to work towards, uh

1056
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: what the Steeler are going to do this year in

1057
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: the draft.

1058
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 3: We'll talk a lot about that over the next couple

1059
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: of months here. But if that draft class could take

1060
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: a step forward overall, you know, now you're really cooking. Yeah.

1061
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's going to do it for today's show. So

1062
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: for my partner Matt Williamson, for CJ Mosley, Yeah, CJ Moseley, Wow,

1063
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: he's doing He's in there keeping track eye on that

1064
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: must split my water out of.

1065
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 3: CJ.

1066
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 2: Wolfly is keeping us on the air here today. I'm

1067
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: Dale Ali. We appreciate you listening to this edition of

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Speaker 2: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.