WEBVTT - Elon, Inc. Over and Out 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:07.000 Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:09.520 Let me tell you we have a new star. 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.680 A star is born Elan mars Juthan Kennemy. 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.480 He is the Thomas Edison plus plus plus of our age. 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.040 Probably his whole life is from a position of insecurity. 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:23.200 I feel for the guys. I would say ninety eight 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.279 percent really appreciate what he does. 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:26.920 But those two percent. 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:29.880 That are nasty, they are out pay in four post. 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.280 We were meant for great things in the United States 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:34.560 of America, and Elon reminds. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:34.640 Us of that. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:37.400 I'm very disappointed in Elan. 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:38.600 I've helped Elan a lot. 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.400 Okay, Elan, in listeners, our time together has come to 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.200 an end. You know, we woke up the other day 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.400 and realized that Musk had, for a few minutes at 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.440 the least, lost his claim the world's richest person, and 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.760 just all the hell with it. We don't do no 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.399 shows around here about no second rate billionaires. What do 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:11.919 you think this is? It's numeral uno or nada. We're done. Okay, 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.319 So the actual story here is a little different than that, 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.440 and Elon inc to be clear, isn't totally going away. 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.840 It's just getting folded into our fantastic brand new show here, 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:26.400 Everybody's Business, co hosted by Elon Inc's very own Max Chafkin. Now, Max, 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:28.119 tell them how it's gonna work. 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:34.480 Yeah. So, just as Tesla acquired Solar City and in 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.400 doing so incorporated the mission of Solar City and bailed 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:42.959 it out Everybody's Business we were in Solar City, we 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.959 have this new show, Everybody's Business, that, like you said, David, 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.720 I'm co hosting and try to bring a lot of 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.640 the same spirit that we had in Elon Inc. In 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:55.680 terms of both like journalistic rigor as well as like 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.760 real talk, like talking about the business world has it 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:00.600 actually is with some of the sparts people we know, 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.680 and you know, all of our elon Ink panelists, including 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:06.240 the ones we are going to be on the show today, 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:10.000 are are on Everybody's Business. We're going to keep talking 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.960 about these issues. And I really hope that the Elon Inc. 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.880 Nation this, the listeners of this show who have been 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:22.799 so enthusiastic and loyal through our you know, capers and 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.120 and and some of the silliness that we made up 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.799 with you will We'll come on over and join us 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.040 over at the Everybody's Business feed and keep talking to 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.600 us keep sending and others involved in the show emails. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.080 It's going to be amazing. And of course Bloomberg readers 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.520 will continue to get all the great coverage that our 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:44.320 ACE journalists delivered day in and day out, Max, Dana Hull, 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:48.680 Kurt Wagner, Sarah Fryer and many more. And for our 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.760 final show, we've assembled those stars. We get the whole 0:02:51.840 --> 0:03:00.079 band together here, Dana, Kurt, Sarah, Max, Welcome to you all. 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.880 Thanks for having us. David, thank you, Kurt say, I'm 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:06.040 gonna thank you, I think, thank you. 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:06.600 It's my turn. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:07.960 Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.720 I'm gonna miss hanging out with you guys every Tuesday. 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.960 Boring, yes we are as well, but that's why we're 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.800 going out with the bang here, Dan and So, Okay, 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.040 what we're gonna do is a little bit of a 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.400 look back at the wildest moments in Elon during these 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.880 past two years we've been airing the show. And then 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:29.359 I look forward full of brilliant and I highlight brilliant 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.920 zany predictions to give you all a bit of a 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.840 north star to guide you in lieu of this steady 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:40.920 weekly fix. Okay, So looking back, Okay, looking back, it's 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:45.120 been Max, it's been like, like get just about two 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:49.320 years twenty two months, there's been a lot of wild stuff. 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.960 What is your wildest moment in the land of Elon 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:56.640 past two years? 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:56.840 Oh? 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:57.360 My god. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.400 I think it was when he imploded in his role 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:07.120 in the Trump administration, the exit from Doge, the going 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.360 out with a bang, the decision not only to leave, 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.960 but to leave by calling for the impeachment of the 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.440 President of the United States, accusing him the President of 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:22.680 the United States again of unspeakable crimes after just a 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.680 couple months earlier, wearing a hat that said Trump was 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:26.520 right about everything. 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.960 It was amazing that had she had just simply been 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.200 like Trump was right about open priends mostly. 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.520 I mean it just as far as like political feuds. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.400 We've had a feud watch on this show many times. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.400 That was obviously the Elon feud to end all feuds. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.520 I think it remains the Elon feud to. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:47.040 End all feuds. 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:48.640 We could talk about that when we go look forward, 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.560 but maybe of all feuds in all of history, that's 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:53.600 pretty high up, well, at. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.520 Least in that short span of time. As far as 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:01.680 social media, Yeah, drag him out, sock them out. You 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:03.479 af you I'm going to kill you. No, I'm going 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.920 to kill you. Yeah, that would rank pretty high before 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.039 I turned it over to the rest of our star 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.800 studied cast. Here we actually also we got from some 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.680 friends of the show. We had them send in their 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.800 recollections of the wildest moments of the past few years. 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:19.920 Let's listen to a couple of them. 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:25.360 I think the most noteworthy Elon's story stems from his 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.160 support of President Trump, his role in getting President Trump 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.479 re elected as President of the United States of America. 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.040 That bromance parlaying into Doge. 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:40.559 The craziest Elon moment wasn't even a real Elon moment. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:45.039 It was an Elon inc moment when someone pitched the 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:49.200 idea that X was being used for pornography. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:54.800 I think it still has to be the Nazi salute. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.800 I've got to go back to the very first month 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:02.760 of this podcast. November three, Elon sat down with Andrew 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.880 Ross Sorkin at the New York Times Deal Book Summit. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.640 When he brings up Bob Eiger, Musk snapped he literally 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:13.200 with his chests. I hope they stop, don't advertise, and 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:18.159 Musk defiantly says GFY. This is a family show after all. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.880 Okay, so those were in order. Joel Weber, Brendan Newnham, 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.480 Raihan Harmansi, who, by the way, back when she was 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:29.200 an employee here had the idea for this very show, 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.560 and Craig Trudell. Now we should note that there's been 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.320 much debate about the stiff Musk arm rais and whether 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.800 it was truly a Nazi salute or just an awkward 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.720 gesture from an awkward guy. Musk, for his part, dismisses 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:46.120 the criticism as absurd. Dan, you'll give us your highlight 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.360 or two over the past couple of years, but before 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.240 you do, give us your thoughts on what we just 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:51.400 heard from our friends there. 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.960 Well, these are all great examples, and I think one 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:58.920 thing to remember is that Elon Musk speaks more than 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.880 any other c and corporate America. I mean, the guy 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.200 is super overexposed. I'm kind of surprised that nobody mentioned 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.880 him wielding a chainsaw on stage at Seapack. That was 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.000 another moment. But but to Max's point, like the whole 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:17.440 narrative arc of his politics from barnstorming across the state 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:22.560 of Pennsylvania to Inauguration day to then like exiting the 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.640 White House with a black eye. I mean it's like 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.520 so cinematic almost, and it's very Shakespearean, and I mean 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:29.400 we could just go on. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:29.840 And on and on. 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.440 You know, it's funny Max listening to what our friends 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.680 had to say. Brendan Newnham was number two. Brendan's remembering 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:39.760 a very funny. 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.760 That he acted like that didn't happen in real life, 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.360 Like that that was a real okay, that happened in 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:48.720 the world. People. There's a lot of porn on ends. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.200 That Rayhan was full of. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:52.440 Does he really he does? 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:57.120 Yeah, we have an expert here on said platform, Sarah Friar. 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.320 Actually we have two, both Sarah and Kurt. Is porn 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:05.480 a huge thing on x or, as Brendan says, was 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.120 it wildly overstated by our good friend Rayana Harmanci. 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.440 I mean, didn't Elon just basically roll out a chatbot 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.960 that will talk dirty to people? I mean this is 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:19.520 I feel like this is pretty widely understood that if 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.680 you want to find porn on x it is not 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.920 hard to find. I think is maybe the short, short version. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.600 I see you guys, Sarah and kurtin I'm sure Dan, 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.120 I have had the experience of, like maybe a couple 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:31.760 of years ago when there was when it was really 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:33.560 out of control where you'd be like looking for some 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.400 Elon tweet at the office and then it is and 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:42.559 then just be confronted or with something horrible just to see. 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:47.880 It not just porn, it's like blatant racism, images from 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.680 lynchings that like, it just it's gotten. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.920 Really dark on X Sarah, what was your biggest surprise, 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.640 your biggest or your wildest moment these past two years? 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:02.480 I mean Max to the took the best one, but 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.640 that was just such a vivid memory for me because 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.600 we were having our our tech conference, so we had 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.240 all of these executives that were giving these really you know, 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:15.480 brilliant interviews on stage and I just couldn't stop looking 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.360 at my phone. I feel bad about that, but like 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.320 you know, Kurt and I were sitting next to each 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:20.679 other and. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.760 We were just like, did he just say he's going 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.440 to cancel those all the contracts with SpaceX? Like did 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.160 he just say that he's that Trump's name is in 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.600 the Epstein files. We were just like, what is going on? 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.880 Like these guys were tight and now the blow up 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:41.440 is aligned with their their way of behaving on it. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.839 I mean they're very similar Trump and Musk, and that 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.200 they do a lot of their their grievances out in 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.079 the open, and that's how they get things done. 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:56.280 And to see that happen actually way later than a 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.040 lot of us predicted it would. 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.120 Right, It just it just took a while to to fester. 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:06.160 I believe we have more audio clips from friends of 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.880 the show giving us their highlights these past two years. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.960 The craziest most noteworthy thing Elon did, at least in 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.360 my world of Washington, d C. Was last summer when 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:21.280 he got into a physical altercation with Scott Bessett, the 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.319 Treasury Secretary of all people. 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.520 Remember like a year or two ago, when Elon kept 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:33.680 promoting all these picturesque images and artwork own X, maybe 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:38.640 with landscapes, maybe a beautiful bed, some flowers. To me, 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:43.120 it was just such a stark reminder that among all 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:47.360 these global stakes, there's a human inside this story. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:52.000 One day, Elon was going on a tirade on X 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.400 and then basically said we need to get rid of 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.440 the International Space Station, and that had a lot of 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.640 reverberations throughout the space on the street. So yeah, those 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.719 were some big unexpected moments. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:11.320 Okay, so that was in order. Josh Green fellow con 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:17.960 College alone Magnus Henrickson, our supervising producer, making his on 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:22.440 air debut on the last show, Max Deep cut there 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.080 from Man and that I went on and on and 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.520 notice how Man I remember it didn't cut back his own. 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.959 Vividly and super fans of the show will remember on 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.480 our second end of the Year special, it might have 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.439 been the second episode of the second end of the 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.679 year special, says you remember, David, you were not making these. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.640 You were on vacations, enjoying your holidays. But the rest 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.040 of us here were Those were two parts. Anyway, we 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.559 had some fun talking about these, like beautiful I guess 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:55.000 maybe possibly AI generated or AI slop type room scapes 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:56.840 or whatever. We're like, Eli. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.600 It seemed to make an to really have an impact 0:11:59.640 --> 0:11:59.920 on Max. 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:05.240 Elon would like spend like three hundred and and sixty 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.640 three days out of the year just posting the most 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.600 provocative stuff you could possibly imagine on X and like 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:14.960 two days out of the year, would say to himself, 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.000 wait a minute, wait a minute, like have I gone 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.400 too far? Maybe I should just put a like beautiful 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:24.320 room here and encourage people to post more nice things. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.680 And I don't know, Yeah, it was very funny. I 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:27.560 agree that that was. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.680 A good one, and it's all Magnus seems to have remembered, 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.839 so apparently mister musket worked. The other person we heard 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.520 from there in the end talking about space and SpaceX 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:46.320 was Lauren Grush Kurt Wagner. What say you your wildest 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.400 favoritestest moment these past two years? 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.160 Well, since I'm going like twentieth on the list, my 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:56.679 top two and they go in order. The breakup was 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.800 number one, Max is correct. The GFY on stage in 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.000 New York, I think was number two. But I'm shocked 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.000 no one has said the third most surprising, which is 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.960 Everything's computer. Do you remember when the White House was 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.520 turned into a Tesla showroom and the President of the 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:17.240 United States like was selling America Tesla's from the lawn 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.679 of the White House. That was a pretty crazy moment. 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.280 And I think what made it so like interesting was 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.280 also just the visual of it, Like it wasn't just 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.440 he said or tweeted something. It was like we saw 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.199 them standing there with the cars on the White House lawn, 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:33.920 and I think, you know, I had to go to 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.880 number three on my list because you know, someone didn't 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:37.640 call me in time. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.200 But I knew, I was confident. You're a resourceful sort, 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.560 and I knew you'd have you know, many many possibles. 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.040 I will go dead last. And I will also, without 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:53.320 pouting about it, Kurt, I will piggyback on others, especially Dana, 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.320 and say, yeah, just his stage presence in general. Not 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.880 only was the chainsaw one in the screaming of chain 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:04.800 saw chainsaw as he as he swung the chainsaw around, 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.960 but then the jumping around. Remember there was that Pennsylvania 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:14.160 dance he did little I just didn't know what to 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:15.920 do with. I still don't know what to do with that. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.240 I took the most obvious one. And and and I 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.720 kind of because you know, there so much has happened 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:25.800 over the last year, and I was thinking, as I 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.920 was listening to everybody else, give there is like one 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.240 thing that made this show sort of hard to make 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:37.880 and and maybe interesting is that maybe maybe Elon for 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.720 most of his career was very very successful and the 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.040 last two years have not been the most successful time 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.000 of Elon's career. I mean, besides the election of Donald Trump. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:52.160 It's been actually pretty hard to find like real, I 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:53.240 don't know, like I guess. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.680 We've had from beyond from a monetary. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.040 No even monetarily, the stock is flat basic. I mean, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.360 the stock hasn't gone up that much, Like I don't know, 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.200 like you go back to it's like basically a stock 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.720 price today as we record, this is about where it 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.560 was what at the end of Dani will know better 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.880 than me, but like end of twenty one or early 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.520 twenty two, Like it's a long We've had a long 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.120 period between drinks between yeah, and and like I guess 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.200 he did like put a chip in someone's brain. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.440 Yeah, well, and I want to say, you is Max 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.120 right about this? Is he in a funk over there? 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.880 I mean, so the Model Why was the best selling 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.360 car in the world in twenty twenty three, sold over 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.360 like one point two million units. That was like the 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.400 peak of Tesla as a car company. But since then, yeah, 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.840 like they're losing market share byd is taking over the world. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.280 The stock is down from its peak right before the election. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.880 I mean, I think that, Like the other sub narrative 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.640 is like Elon is bored of making cars and he's 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:53.280 completely pivoted his entire company, which has factories on three continents, 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.680 from making cars to making robots and being an AI company. 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.560 Like that's like a huge narrative shift that the communication 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.920 has been super weird about and that investors seem to 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.040 be buying, but like this is fundamentally a different company now. 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.080 I mean, another really weird thing that happened this year 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.120 is he found a way to pay off all his 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:16.080 dat holders for buying Twitter. Like I didn't think that 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.240 would happen. I didn't think he would actually make them 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.640 whole in a short enough period of time. But he 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:26.400 found a way for XAI to swallow x and turn 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:31.320 it into something that was valued highly, so that, you know, 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.720 to his credit worked out. 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.080 Yeah, and the evaluation of his private companies continues skywreck at. 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.000 I mean, SpaceX is a highly valuable company, and so 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.040 I see your point, Max, But I still think that, 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.440 you know, he's still the richest person in the world. 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:51.040 He's still incredibly powerful. His empire is expanding. I mean, 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.200 they've got this data center in Memphis. They're going to 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.480 build stuff in Houston. Like his tentacles are continuing to 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.440 spread throughout the energy infrastructure of the United state dates 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.480 and as AI becomes a bigger thing, you're gonna see 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.960 Tesla selling its megapax to AI companies. I mean the 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.320 whole thesis of the show, which is that it's not 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:13.240 just Tesla or X or SpaceX, it's it's Elon Inc. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.520 Is still very valid and stronger than ever. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.320 Okay, so this is good because we're starting Dana is 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.040 starting to tip us into the future, into what's to 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:25.040 come here, So why don't we across the board here 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:29.159 all tell our listeners what what you guys think are 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:35.080 the biggest or the biggest Elon's story event slash storyline 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.080 that you will be following going forward. In other words, 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.040 I guess if you had to think about it, it would 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:44.840 be as goes X, not the company X. Sorry, as 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.760 goes fill in the blank, Comma, so too goes Elon Inc. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.280 Max will start with you no, no, no, no way, 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:58.719 and we're not gonna start with Matt Yeah, Kurt exactly. 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:00.600 I don't know how far the future we're allowed to go, 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.240 and I don't know how cheesy we're allowed to be. 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:08.400 Genuine great, My genuine answer is sending a human to Mars, 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:12.280 like we've been talking about it for you know whatever, 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.560 a decade plus, probably more than that. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.680 For for Elon, you've got a year, Wagner. 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.200 What's your Yeah, give us a date on that one. 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:21.360 Oh, what is it? 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:27.800 It is twenty twenty five? Checking, it's like the oldest 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.160 that was, like the old man thing. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:29.760 I just did what. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:36.880 I think we're another seven years away, No, ten years away. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.000 I'm gonna say twenty thirty five, okay. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:43.240 And I would say if that happens, yes, the Elonian Empire, 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:44.159 wouldn't that be crazy? 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.280 I mean we've been talking about it forever, and and 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:48.959 part of why I like it is it's one of 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.479 the very few things Elon touches that I think people 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.600 a broad spectrum of people are interested in and excited about, 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.639 which is the idea of doing something in space that 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.679 has never been done before. It is not controversial in 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.960 the way almost everything else he does is. And so 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:07.960 for me, I think that will be a fun moment 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.720 if it actually happens, because I think people who don't 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:15.040 like Elon will be rallied behind the effort. 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:15.719 Got it. 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.240 I feel like I disagree that it's not controversial though, 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.439 Like people are really pissed off. Yeah, they're like they're like, 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.520 you're spending all these natural resources on sending us to 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.719 Mars when like, there's so much to fix about our 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:27.400 current planet. 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.879 Don't give up on this planet yet. Stick with this planet, 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.280 invest in it before you are ready to hop scotch 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:34.040 over to another. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:38.200 The idea of being a multiplanetary species, it's pretty cool. 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.080 Yeah, So that's me there you go, all right? 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.239 So Sarah Fryar, what say you? 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.000 I mean, the thing I'm really just thinking is going 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.640 to drive so much in the next few years is 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:55.320 this rivalry with Sam Almon and open Ai and the 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.440 idea that Musk is just going to do whatever he 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.760 can to capture that success for himself and exceed it. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:03.400 Right. 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.200 So he's got the lawsuit, he's got the data centers, 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.840 he's got the plan for Tesla to invest in XAI, 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:14.359 he's got all of these irons in the fire that 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:20.440 are aimed at overtaking. He's got Grock. So I think 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:24.399 that that's going to be like a driving force for him, 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.919 and we've seen it already affect so much of his behavior. 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:32.560 But the idea that he like left open AI and 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.840 then it became so successful, I think really eats at him. 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:38.080 Yeah, And I guess that's right. I mean, Max, if 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.520 you think about the whole way he is in tipping 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.200 Tesla to the direction he's tipping it is indeed, part 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.400 of it feels like at some level in part fueled 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:48.960 by this beef with Altman. 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:53.080 I mean, I wonder how when the Ai bubble bursts, 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.000 whether it's a bubble, or whether this kind of period 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:59.040 of exuberance just sort of fizzles a little bit, Like 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:03.440 how that is going to impact Elon's empire because he 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.439 is really really Sarah's hinting at it right, like he 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:12.320 is really heavily met on this, on this thing continuing, 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:14.800 and so because and you could see it in the 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.000 valuation of x Ai, you can see it in the 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.479 valuation of Tesla, and the way he's he's sort of 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:24.359 pivoting Tesla, and in the and in this sort of 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.119 echo that that happens on the stock market where like 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:32.159 Tesla's you know, wildly overvalued relative to its business, Like 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:34.439 that has been a thing that we have sort of 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:36.639 talked about over and over again on this podcast. And 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.800 if if for some reason that changed then, or even 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.600 if it even if it were valued a little bit differently, 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.639 that would be kind of like a catastrophic thing for 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:48.840 to happen to Elon, Like it wouldn't. It's not like 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.040 it would bankrupt him. It's not like it would take 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:52.760 away the car sales. It's not like it would take 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.679 away any of these achievements. But it would put him 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:56.960 in a very very different position. 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.560