1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: Let me tell you we have a new star. 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 3: A star is born Elan mars Juthan Kennemy. 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 4: He is the Thomas Edison plus plus plus of our age. 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Probably his whole life is from a position of insecurity. 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: I feel for the guys. I would say ninety eight 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: percent really appreciate what he does. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 5: But those two percent. 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: That are nasty, they are out pay in four post. 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 6: We were meant for great things in the United States 11 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 6: of America, and Elon reminds. 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 3: Us of that. 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: I'm very disappointed in Elan. 14 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 7: I've helped Elan a lot. 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: Okay, Elan, in listeners, our time together has come to 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: an end. You know, we woke up the other day 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: and realized that Musk had, for a few minutes at 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: the least, lost his claim the world's richest person, and 19 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: just all the hell with it. We don't do no 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: shows around here about no second rate billionaires. What do 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 2: you think this is? It's numeral uno or nada. We're done. Okay, 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: So the actual story here is a little different than that, 23 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: and Elon inc to be clear, isn't totally going away. 24 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: It's just getting folded into our fantastic brand new show here, 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: Everybody's Business, co hosted by Elon Inc's very own Max Chafkin. Now, Max, 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 2: tell them how it's gonna work. 27 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, just as Tesla acquired Solar City and in 28 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 3: doing so incorporated the mission of Solar City and bailed 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 3: it out Everybody's Business we were in Solar City, we 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 3: have this new show, Everybody's Business, that, like you said, David, 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: I'm co hosting and try to bring a lot of 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: the same spirit that we had in Elon Inc. In 33 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: terms of both like journalistic rigor as well as like 34 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: real talk, like talking about the business world has it 35 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: actually is with some of the sparts people we know, 36 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: and you know, all of our elon Ink panelists, including 37 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 3: the ones we are going to be on the show today, 38 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 3: are are on Everybody's Business. We're going to keep talking 39 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 3: about these issues. And I really hope that the Elon Inc. 40 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: Nation this, the listeners of this show who have been 41 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 3: so enthusiastic and loyal through our you know, capers and 42 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: and and some of the silliness that we made up 43 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 3: with you will We'll come on over and join us 44 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 3: over at the Everybody's Business feed and keep talking to 45 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: us keep sending and others involved in the show emails. 46 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: It's going to be amazing. And of course Bloomberg readers 47 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: will continue to get all the great coverage that our 48 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: ACE journalists delivered day in and day out, Max, Dana Hull, 49 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: Kurt Wagner, Sarah Fryer and many more. And for our 50 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: final show, we've assembled those stars. We get the whole 51 00:02:51,840 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 2: band together here, Dana, Kurt, Sarah, Max, Welcome to you all. 52 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: Thanks for having us. David, thank you, Kurt say, I'm 53 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: gonna thank you, I think, thank you. 54 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: It's my turn. 55 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. 56 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 4: I'm gonna miss hanging out with you guys every Tuesday. 57 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: Boring, yes we are as well, but that's why we're 58 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 2: going out with the bang here, Dan and So, Okay, 59 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: what we're gonna do is a little bit of a 60 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: look back at the wildest moments in Elon during these 61 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: past two years we've been airing the show. And then 62 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 2: I look forward full of brilliant and I highlight brilliant 63 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: zany predictions to give you all a bit of a 64 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: north star to guide you in lieu of this steady 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: weekly fix. Okay, So looking back, Okay, looking back, it's 66 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: been Max, it's been like, like get just about two 67 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: years twenty two months, there's been a lot of wild stuff. 68 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: What is your wildest moment in the land of Elon 69 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: past two years? 70 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: Oh? 71 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: My god. 72 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: I think it was when he imploded in his role 73 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: in the Trump administration, the exit from Doge, the going 74 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: out with a bang, the decision not only to leave, 75 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: but to leave by calling for the impeachment of the 76 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: President of the United States, accusing him the President of 77 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: the United States again of unspeakable crimes after just a 78 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 3: couple months earlier, wearing a hat that said Trump was 79 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: right about everything. 80 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: It was amazing that had she had just simply been 81 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: like Trump was right about open priends mostly. 82 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: I mean it just as far as like political feuds. 83 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: We've had a feud watch on this show many times. 84 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: That was obviously the Elon feud to end all feuds. 85 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: I think it remains the Elon feud to. 86 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: End all feuds. 87 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: We could talk about that when we go look forward, 88 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: but maybe of all feuds in all of history, that's 89 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 3: pretty high up, well, at. 90 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: Least in that short span of time. As far as 91 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: social media, Yeah, drag him out, sock them out. You 92 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: af you I'm going to kill you. No, I'm going 93 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: to kill you. Yeah, that would rank pretty high before 94 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: I turned it over to the rest of our star 95 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: studied cast. Here we actually also we got from some 96 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: friends of the show. We had them send in their 97 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: recollections of the wildest moments of the past few years. 98 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: Let's listen to a couple of them. 99 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 8: I think the most noteworthy Elon's story stems from his 100 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 8: support of President Trump, his role in getting President Trump 101 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 8: re elected as President of the United States of America. 102 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 8: That bromance parlaying into Doge. 103 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 9: The craziest Elon moment wasn't even a real Elon moment. 104 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 9: It was an Elon inc moment when someone pitched the 105 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 9: idea that X was being used for pornography. 106 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 5: I think it still has to be the Nazi salute. 107 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 10: I've got to go back to the very first month 108 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 10: of this podcast. November three, Elon sat down with Andrew 109 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 10: Ross Sorkin at the New York Times Deal Book Summit. 110 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 10: When he brings up Bob Eiger, Musk snapped he literally 111 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 10: with his chests. I hope they stop, don't advertise, and 112 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 10: Musk defiantly says GFY. This is a family show after all. 113 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: Okay, so those were in order. Joel Weber, Brendan Newnham, 114 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 2: Raihan Harmansi, who, by the way, back when she was 115 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: an employee here had the idea for this very show, 116 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: and Craig Trudell. Now we should note that there's been 117 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: much debate about the stiff Musk arm rais and whether 118 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: it was truly a Nazi salute or just an awkward 119 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: gesture from an awkward guy. Musk, for his part, dismisses 120 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: the criticism as absurd. Dan, you'll give us your highlight 121 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: or two over the past couple of years, but before 122 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: you do, give us your thoughts on what we just 123 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: heard from our friends there. 124 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 4: Well, these are all great examples, and I think one 125 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 4: thing to remember is that Elon Musk speaks more than 126 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 4: any other c and corporate America. I mean, the guy 127 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 4: is super overexposed. I'm kind of surprised that nobody mentioned 128 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 4: him wielding a chainsaw on stage at Seapack. That was 129 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 4: another moment. But but to Max's point, like the whole 130 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 4: narrative arc of his politics from barnstorming across the state 131 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 4: of Pennsylvania to Inauguration day to then like exiting the 132 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 4: White House with a black eye. I mean it's like 133 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 4: so cinematic almost, and it's very Shakespearean, and I mean 134 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 4: we could just go on. 135 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: And on and on. 136 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny Max listening to what our friends 137 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: had to say. Brendan Newnham was number two. Brendan's remembering 138 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: a very funny. 139 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: That he acted like that didn't happen in real life, 140 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: Like that that was a real okay, that happened in 141 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: the world. People. There's a lot of porn on ends. 142 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: That Rayhan was full of. 143 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: Does he really he does? 144 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have an expert here on said platform, Sarah Friar. 145 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: Actually we have two, both Sarah and Kurt. Is porn 146 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: a huge thing on x or, as Brendan says, was 147 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: it wildly overstated by our good friend Rayana Harmanci. 148 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 6: I mean, didn't Elon just basically roll out a chatbot 149 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 6: that will talk dirty to people? I mean this is 150 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 6: I feel like this is pretty widely understood that if 151 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 6: you want to find porn on x it is not 152 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 6: hard to find. I think is maybe the short, short version. 153 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: I see you guys, Sarah and kurtin I'm sure Dan, 154 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: I have had the experience of, like maybe a couple 155 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: of years ago when there was when it was really 156 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: out of control where you'd be like looking for some 157 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: Elon tweet at the office and then it is and 158 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 3: then just be confronted or with something horrible just to see. 159 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 7: It not just porn, it's like blatant racism, images from 160 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 7: lynchings that like, it just it's gotten. 161 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: Really dark on X Sarah, what was your biggest surprise, 162 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: your biggest or your wildest moment these past two years? 163 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 7: I mean Max to the took the best one, but 164 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 7: that was just such a vivid memory for me because 165 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 7: we were having our our tech conference, so we had 166 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 7: all of these executives that were giving these really you know, 167 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 7: brilliant interviews on stage and I just couldn't stop looking 168 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 7: at my phone. I feel bad about that, but like 169 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 7: you know, Kurt and I were sitting next to each 170 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 7: other and. 171 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 11: We were just like, did he just say he's going 172 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 11: to cancel those all the contracts with SpaceX? Like did 173 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 11: he just say that he's that Trump's name is in 174 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 11: the Epstein files. We were just like, what is going on? 175 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 11: Like these guys were tight and now the blow up 176 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 11: is aligned with their their way of behaving on it. 177 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 11: I mean they're very similar Trump and Musk, and that 178 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 11: they do a lot of their their grievances out in 179 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 11: the open, and that's how they get things done. 180 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 7: And to see that happen actually way later than a 181 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 7: lot of us predicted it would. 182 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: Right, It just it just took a while to to fester. 183 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: I believe we have more audio clips from friends of 184 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: the show giving us their highlights these past two years. 185 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 12: The craziest most noteworthy thing Elon did, at least in 186 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 12: my world of Washington, d C. Was last summer when 187 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 12: he got into a physical altercation with Scott Bessett, the 188 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 12: Treasury Secretary of all people. 189 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: Remember like a year or two ago, when Elon kept 190 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: promoting all these picturesque images and artwork own X, maybe 191 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: with landscapes, maybe a beautiful bed, some flowers. To me, 192 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: it was just such a stark reminder that among all 193 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: these global stakes, there's a human inside this story. 194 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 5: One day, Elon was going on a tirade on X 195 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 5: and then basically said we need to get rid of 196 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 5: the International Space Station, and that had a lot of 197 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 5: reverberations throughout the space on the street. So yeah, those 198 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 5: were some big unexpected moments. 199 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: Okay, so that was in order. Josh Green fellow con 200 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: College alone Magnus Henrickson, our supervising producer, making his on 201 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: air debut on the last show, Max Deep cut there 202 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: from Man and that I went on and on and 203 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: notice how Man I remember it didn't cut back his own. 204 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 3: Vividly and super fans of the show will remember on 205 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: our second end of the Year special, it might have 206 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 3: been the second episode of the second end of the 207 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 3: year special, says you remember, David, you were not making these. 208 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: You were on vacations, enjoying your holidays. But the rest 209 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: of us here were Those were two parts. Anyway, we 210 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 3: had some fun talking about these, like beautiful I guess 211 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 3: maybe possibly AI generated or AI slop type room scapes 212 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 3: or whatever. We're like, Eli. 213 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: It seemed to make an to really have an impact 214 00:11:59,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: on Max. 215 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 3: Elon would like spend like three hundred and and sixty 216 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: three days out of the year just posting the most 217 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: provocative stuff you could possibly imagine on X and like 218 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: two days out of the year, would say to himself, 219 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: wait a minute, wait a minute, like have I gone 220 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: too far? Maybe I should just put a like beautiful 221 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 3: room here and encourage people to post more nice things. 222 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: And I don't know, Yeah, it was very funny. I 223 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: agree that that was. 224 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: A good one, and it's all Magnus seems to have remembered, 225 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 2: so apparently mister musket worked. The other person we heard 226 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: from there in the end talking about space and SpaceX 227 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: was Lauren Grush Kurt Wagner. What say you your wildest 228 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: favoritestest moment these past two years? 229 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 6: Well, since I'm going like twentieth on the list, my 230 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 6: top two and they go in order. The breakup was 231 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 6: number one, Max is correct. The GFY on stage in 232 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 6: New York, I think was number two. But I'm shocked 233 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 6: no one has said the third most surprising, which is 234 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 6: Everything's computer. Do you remember when the White House was 235 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 6: turned into a Tesla showroom and the President of the 236 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 6: United States like was selling America Tesla's from the lawn 237 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 6: of the White House. That was a pretty crazy moment. 238 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 6: And I think what made it so like interesting was 239 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 6: also just the visual of it, Like it wasn't just 240 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 6: he said or tweeted something. It was like we saw 241 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 6: them standing there with the cars on the White House lawn, 242 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 6: and I think, you know, I had to go to 243 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 6: number three on my list because you know, someone didn't 244 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 6: call me in time. 245 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 2: But I knew, I was confident. You're a resourceful sort, 246 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: and I knew you'd have you know, many many possibles. 247 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: I will go dead last. And I will also, without 248 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: pouting about it, Kurt, I will piggyback on others, especially Dana, 249 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: and say, yeah, just his stage presence in general. Not 250 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: only was the chainsaw one in the screaming of chain 251 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: saw chainsaw as he as he swung the chainsaw around, 252 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: but then the jumping around. Remember there was that Pennsylvania 253 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: dance he did little I just didn't know what to 254 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: do with. I still don't know what to do with that. 255 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: I took the most obvious one. And and and I 256 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: kind of because you know, there so much has happened 257 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: over the last year, and I was thinking, as I 258 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: was listening to everybody else, give there is like one 259 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: thing that made this show sort of hard to make 260 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 3: and and maybe interesting is that maybe maybe Elon for 261 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 3: most of his career was very very successful and the 262 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: last two years have not been the most successful time 263 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 3: of Elon's career. I mean, besides the election of Donald Trump. 264 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: It's been actually pretty hard to find like real, I 265 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: don't know, like I guess. 266 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: We've had from beyond from a monetary. 267 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: No even monetarily, the stock is flat basic. I mean, 268 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: the stock hasn't gone up that much, Like I don't know, 269 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 3: like you go back to it's like basically a stock 270 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: price today as we record, this is about where it 271 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: was what at the end of Dani will know better 272 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: than me, but like end of twenty one or early 273 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: twenty two, Like it's a long We've had a long 274 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 3: period between drinks between yeah, and and like I guess 275 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: he did like put a chip in someone's brain. 276 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I want to say, you is Max 277 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: right about this? Is he in a funk over there? 278 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 4: I mean, so the Model Why was the best selling 279 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 4: car in the world in twenty twenty three, sold over 280 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 4: like one point two million units. That was like the 281 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 4: peak of Tesla as a car company. But since then, yeah, 282 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 4: like they're losing market share byd is taking over the world. 283 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 4: The stock is down from its peak right before the election. 284 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 4: I mean, I think that, Like the other sub narrative 285 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 4: is like Elon is bored of making cars and he's 286 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 4: completely pivoted his entire company, which has factories on three continents, 287 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 4: from making cars to making robots and being an AI company. 288 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 4: Like that's like a huge narrative shift that the communication 289 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 4: has been super weird about and that investors seem to 290 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 4: be buying, but like this is fundamentally a different company now. 291 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 7: I mean, another really weird thing that happened this year 292 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 7: is he found a way to pay off all his 293 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 7: dat holders for buying Twitter. Like I didn't think that 294 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 7: would happen. I didn't think he would actually make them 295 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 7: whole in a short enough period of time. But he 296 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 7: found a way for XAI to swallow x and turn 297 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 7: it into something that was valued highly, so that, you know, 298 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 7: to his credit worked out. 299 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the evaluation of his private companies continues skywreck at. 300 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 4: I mean, SpaceX is a highly valuable company, and so 301 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 4: I see your point, Max, But I still think that, 302 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 4: you know, he's still the richest person in the world. 303 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: He's still incredibly powerful. His empire is expanding. I mean, 304 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 4: they've got this data center in Memphis. They're going to 305 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 4: build stuff in Houston. Like his tentacles are continuing to 306 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 4: spread throughout the energy infrastructure of the United state dates 307 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 4: and as AI becomes a bigger thing, you're gonna see 308 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 4: Tesla selling its megapax to AI companies. I mean the 309 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 4: whole thesis of the show, which is that it's not 310 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 4: just Tesla or X or SpaceX, it's it's Elon Inc. 311 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 4: Is still very valid and stronger than ever. 312 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: Okay, so this is good because we're starting Dana is 313 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: starting to tip us into the future, into what's to 314 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 2: come here, So why don't we across the board here 315 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: all tell our listeners what what you guys think are 316 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: the biggest or the biggest Elon's story event slash storyline 317 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: that you will be following going forward. In other words, 318 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: I guess if you had to think about it, it would 319 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: be as goes X, not the company X. Sorry, as 320 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: goes fill in the blank, Comma, so too goes Elon Inc. 321 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: Max will start with you no, no, no, no way, 322 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 2: and we're not gonna start with Matt Yeah, Kurt exactly. 323 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 6: I don't know how far the future we're allowed to go, 324 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 6: and I don't know how cheesy we're allowed to be. 325 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 6: Genuine great, My genuine answer is sending a human to Mars, 326 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 6: like we've been talking about it for you know whatever, 327 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 6: a decade plus, probably more than that. 328 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 2: For for Elon, you've got a year, Wagner. 329 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 3: What's your Yeah, give us a date on that one. 330 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 2: Oh, what is it? 331 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 6: It is twenty twenty five? Checking, it's like the oldest 332 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 6: that was, like the old man thing. 333 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: I just did what. 334 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 6: I think we're another seven years away, No, ten years away. 335 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 6: I'm gonna say twenty thirty five, okay. 336 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: And I would say if that happens, yes, the Elonian Empire, 337 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 2: wouldn't that be crazy? 338 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 6: I mean we've been talking about it forever, and and 339 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 6: part of why I like it is it's one of 340 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 6: the very few things Elon touches that I think people 341 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 6: a broad spectrum of people are interested in and excited about, 342 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 6: which is the idea of doing something in space that 343 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 6: has never been done before. It is not controversial in 344 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 6: the way almost everything else he does is. And so 345 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 6: for me, I think that will be a fun moment 346 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 6: if it actually happens, because I think people who don't 347 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 6: like Elon will be rallied behind the effort. 348 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 2: Got it. 349 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 7: I feel like I disagree that it's not controversial though, 350 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 7: Like people are really pissed off. Yeah, they're like they're like, 351 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 7: you're spending all these natural resources on sending us to 352 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 7: Mars when like, there's so much to fix about our 353 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 7: current planet. 354 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: Don't give up on this planet yet. Stick with this planet, 355 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: invest in it before you are ready to hop scotch 356 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: over to another. 357 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 7: The idea of being a multiplanetary species, it's pretty cool. 358 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's me there you go, all right? 359 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 2: So Sarah Fryar, what say you? 360 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 7: I mean, the thing I'm really just thinking is going 361 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 7: to drive so much in the next few years is 362 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 7: this rivalry with Sam Almon and open Ai and the 363 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 7: idea that Musk is just going to do whatever he 364 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 7: can to capture that success for himself and exceed it. 365 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 2: Right. 366 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 7: So he's got the lawsuit, he's got the data centers, 367 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 7: he's got the plan for Tesla to invest in XAI, 368 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 7: he's got all of these irons in the fire that 369 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 7: are aimed at overtaking. He's got Grock. So I think 370 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 7: that that's going to be like a driving force for him, 371 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 7: and we've seen it already affect so much of his behavior. 372 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 7: But the idea that he like left open AI and 373 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 7: then it became so successful, I think really eats at him. 374 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess that's right. I mean, Max, if 375 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: you think about the whole way he is in tipping 376 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: Tesla to the direction he's tipping it is indeed, part 377 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 2: of it feels like at some level in part fueled 378 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: by this beef with Altman. 379 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I wonder how when the Ai bubble bursts, 380 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: whether it's a bubble, or whether this kind of period 381 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: of exuberance just sort of fizzles a little bit, Like 382 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 3: how that is going to impact Elon's empire because he 383 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 3: is really really Sarah's hinting at it right, like he 384 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: is really heavily met on this, on this thing continuing, 385 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: and so because and you could see it in the 386 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 3: valuation of x Ai, you can see it in the 387 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 3: valuation of Tesla, and the way he's he's sort of 388 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: pivoting Tesla, and in the and in this sort of 389 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 3: echo that that happens on the stock market where like 390 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 3: Tesla's you know, wildly overvalued relative to its business, Like 391 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 3: that has been a thing that we have sort of 392 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 3: talked about over and over again on this podcast. And 393 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: if if for some reason that changed then, or even 394 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: if it even if it were valued a little bit differently, 395 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 3: that would be kind of like a catastrophic thing for 396 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 3: to happen to Elon, Like it wouldn't. It's not like 397 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: it would bankrupt him. It's not like it would take 398 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: away the car sales. It's not like it would take 399 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 3: away any of these achievements. But it would put him 400 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 3: in a very very different position. 401 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would certainly make the pivot to AI going 402 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 2: all in on AI feel like. 403 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 7: You can certainly be less rich than Larry Ellison at 404 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 7: that point. 405 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 3: But Larry Ellison's well, wood fall too would fall too, right. 406 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 7: Well, that's true, that's true. 407 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: Who does that? Then? That brings up I don't know. 408 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 2: I don't know that whoever that person is that goes 409 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 2: to number one, that's that'll be the next show that 410 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: the Walton's coming back Walmart Inc. Dana guide us. What's 411 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: your thought? 412 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 4: I mean, the next decade of ELIN is going to 413 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 4: be super interesting because now you know, Tesla's board has 414 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 4: proposed this incredible you know, mars shot pay package to 415 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 4: keep him focused on hitting all of these like sort 416 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 4: of AI goals and making it an eight point five 417 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 4: trillion dollar company. And ten years from now, Elon Musk 418 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 4: will be like sixty four sixty five, like like we 419 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 4: have to sort of like think about the secession plan 420 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 4: for his companies whenever he decides to hand over the reins. 421 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 4: So I think that's like a super interesting storyline. And 422 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: then like his personal life, I think is still an 423 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 4: endless source of decination. Like one of the big reveals 424 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 4: of the past year was that Ashley Saint Clair revealed 425 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 4: that she had also had a child with Elon Musk. 426 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 4: So that makes fourteen that we know of. And you know, 427 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: between his businesses, his involvement in national politics, and also 428 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 4: his sort of like obsession with declining birth rates and fertility, 429 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 4: Like I still am just super interested in that, Like 430 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 4: what is he doing on that from a business perspective? 431 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 4: Like is he investing in fertility startups or IVF centers? 432 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 4: Like he's got to be doing something beyond just per 433 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 4: creating himself. That's my suspicion, all. 434 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,239 Speaker 3: Right, Dana, And you don't have to answer this if 435 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 3: you don't want to, But I'm curious what you think 436 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 3: the real number is. So, like we know of fourteen, 437 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 3: do you is it double? Is it triple? Is it? 438 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 3: Do we need a third digit to express that number? 439 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 4: Is he like an anonymous sperm donor like there was 440 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 4: something about a Japanese pop star at some point. 441 00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 7: I really don't know. 442 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: That's right. It's your turn, mister Chaffkin. What you got. 443 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 3: Can I react to something Kurt said first before I 444 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 3: give mine yes, which is committed? I agree, like a 445 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 3: person going to Mars would be an amazing achievement. And 446 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 3: I think and when Kurt first said it, I was like, oh, 447 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 3: come on bike, Because Elon has said we're going to 448 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 3: send somebody like in two years or something. He's given 449 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 3: these ridiculously optimistic goals, and I think ten years is 450 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 3: probably like a more plausible suggestion, maybe even a little longer. 451 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: But I want to just say, like, that's not going 452 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 3: to be just Elon Musk's achievement. Like Elon Musk may 453 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: play a role in that story, and if that story happens, 454 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: he will likely play a role, but he won't be 455 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 3: the only player in that story. It's going to be 456 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 3: an achievement for the United States and for humanity. And 457 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: I think people sometimes make mistakes when they give Elon 458 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: credit for things that aren't totally his doing, right, like 459 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 3: this is and I think this has come up a 460 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: lot in the SpaceX story. There's a lot to talk 461 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: about how SpaceX is the only like it's like SpaceX 462 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 3: versus NASA, which kind of alides the fact that SpaceX 463 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 3: is a NASA contractor that some NASA administrator was like, Hey, 464 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: it would be a really good idea to fund this 465 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 3: company to provide commercial transport, and it also alides all 466 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 3: the other players in this value chain, and so just 467 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 3: wanted to put that out there. I just feel like 468 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: sometimes we buy into this narrative like Elon is like 469 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 3: the sole actor moving us to Mars, and it's like, yeah, yeah. 470 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 3: The other thing I want to say is I. 471 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: So, Kurt, that was laying man, That's what Max is 472 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: telling you. 473 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 7: It was a question the opposite. 474 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,719 Speaker 6: I thought he was just validating my wonderful preception. 475 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: So thank you, Max. What do you got? What are 476 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 2: you expecting? What are you closely watching? With baited breath? 477 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 5: Uh? 478 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 3: Politics and Elon's continued political engagement. I think, Uh, this 479 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 3: is a huge question. There's a line in the Tesla 480 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 3: proxy that says he's going to wind down his political activities. 481 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 3: Bloomberg TV just had an interview with Robin Denholm, where 482 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 3: our colleague and friend of the podcast ed Ludlow asked, 483 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 3: or maybe it was Caroline Hyde, Ed's co host, what 484 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 3: do you mean by wind down? And she just didn't 485 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 3: answer the question because and effectively indicated that they consider 486 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: donating talking about politics, maybe even engaging in like a 487 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 3: political party, to be his personal political activities. I would 488 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 3: guess that his personal political activities will be like the 489 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 3: defining story of not just Elon world, but of all 490 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: of Republican politics and maybe all of national politics. 491 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: If it goes, if it goes sideways on him, does 492 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 2: it threaten to derail the empire, the Musk Empire? 493 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: No, I mean, what do you mean derail the musket. 494 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, like sink it, you know, sink its 495 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: value towards zero. 496 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 3: Well, he's got a lot of money to spend it 497 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 3: on politics, So like, I'm not really sure like. 498 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 2: What I'm getting. Like, So, for instance, right now, when 499 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: you guys talk about the lapse in the fundamentals of Tesla, 500 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: one of the big drivers of the collapse of the 501 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 2: fundamentals in Tesla is he is now alienated. Oh, I 502 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: don't know, with his politics, he's alienated maybe sixty or 503 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: seventy percent of his potential buyer base. 504 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 3: Or I think, like Dana has said a bunch of times, 505 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 3: he's moving on from the car business. So yes, he's 506 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 3: he's alienated his basically customers. 507 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: He needs political modes, he needs become a business that 508 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 2: have still as a meme stock. 509 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 3: Now, So like when we talk about the value of Tesla, 510 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 3: we're saying, like, at what point were these shareholders decide 511 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 3: that they don't like it anymore? And I feel very 512 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 3: I would not feel confident predicting that the stock's that's cool, 513 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Well, that's. 514 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 2: Cool, but like it is worth near it is worth 515 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 2: more than a trillion dollars, And I would just say 516 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: that at some point it's possible that if the financials 517 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: in the short term collapse to an extent that like, 518 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 2: oh my god, you know we're cash flow negative again. 519 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 2: I know, you could get a holy crap moment. I'm 520 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 2: not predicting all. 521 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 3: Of the thing is, I think Elon has enough juice 522 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 3: within the conservative movement and enough money that he's not 523 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 3: going to be on an island by himself. He has 524 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 3: an important ally in Vice President j. D. Vance, he 525 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 3: has important allies in the Republican Party. It's true that 526 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 3: he and Trump don't have a good relationship, but I 527 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: would be really, really, really surprised if he is not 528 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 3: a factor in Republican politics in the midterm and in 529 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 3: the next presidential election. 530 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 4: I think the mistake that people make about Elon is 531 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 4: time and again people think, Okay, this is it, this 532 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 4: is going to be the downfall of Elon Musk. But 533 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 4: he is too big to fail. He has a wide 534 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 4: ranging empire, with installations in several congressional districts. He has 535 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 4: lucrative government contracts. He is deeply embedded in several different industries, 536 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 4: and the car business is only one of them. I mean, 537 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 4: for all of the consternation about his involvement in politics, 538 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 4: like the company is still worth over trillion dollars, like 539 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 4: it does it, Like yes, it has impacted sales, but 540 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 4: it has not impacted him in the eyes of investors. 541 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 4: And there is a sloop of you know, Wall Street 542 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 4: investment banks and analysts and Musk, and like time it again, 543 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 4: they will make fees working with this guy, and he 544 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 4: is brilliant at raising money, and like people want to 545 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 4: invest in him, like they will invest in whatever he 546 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 4: wants to do. 547 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: I would say, Dana, that absolutely you were ahead of 548 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 2: that and saying this guy, it's less like, it's far 549 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: less likely that he will he will blow up years ago, 550 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 2: when many others were saying he would. My issue is, 551 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: I think nobody's saying that now. And maybe that's right. 552 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: Maybe he is too big, and maybe that is right. 553 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: I just don't know that just given the nature of 554 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: how divisive he is and how given how many plates 555 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: he's got in the air and this and that, I 556 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: just think it's still an open ending question. And given 557 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 2: how he has alienated a huge part of his of 558 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 2: his customer base. And maybe you're right, Max, maybe all 559 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: of his future businesses are totally shielded from this. Maybe 560 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: his future your businesses. Whether or not he's alienated a 561 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 2: customer base, maybe that doesn't matter. 562 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean, you obviously become bias based on what 563 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: you've seen and having seen as we have Elon survive 564 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 3: scandal after scandal after scandal, what's going to do him? 565 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: So like, obviously Elon's empire could go and decline. It 566 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 3: maybe already is in decline. I think there's a chance 567 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: you look at you. 568 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 2: You were sort of arguing that yourself. 569 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 3: You look back, I think there's a chance, like we 570 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 3: look back twenty years from now and we say, yep, 571 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 3: this was the moment when when he started. 572 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 7: I think that's a good question, Like has Elon peaked? 573 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 7: I think we were like looking at this, you know, 574 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 7: this podcast ending and it's like, well, this was the 575 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 7: year that Elon was the quote unquote shadow president, right. 576 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 7: He he got as close to geopolitical peak of power 577 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 7: as you can get without actually being president. And that's over. 578 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 7: So has his influence peaked? I guess maybe not like 579 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 7: his I think his businesses have lots of second lives. 580 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 7: But has his influence on the geopolitical order peaked? Maybe 581 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 7: it has, Maybe it's just the beginning. Maybe Elon Musk 582 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 7: continues internationally, makes big change in Europe. We don't know. 583 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: Before we go to the more concrete predictions part of 584 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 2: the show, I will just say one thing looking back, 585 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: I will pivot back. Now we would not be talking 586 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 2: about Elon Mustard. He would be a nobody if interest 587 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: rates in this country weren't zero for the better part 588 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: of the past twenty years. That is also an enormous 589 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 2: thing that helped him survive that whole time. If interest 590 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: rates weren't zero in money, an insane amounts of money 591 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 2: weren't slashing around the global economy and in the US 592 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: economy and the US financial system, he wouldn't have gotten 593 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: those much needed injections of cash, and he and his 594 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: companies were like razor close to going under. That's my 595 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: hot all right. We have from our good friends. We 596 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 2: have some concrete, tangible predictions here. They are let's listen. 597 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 8: As much as he wants to stay away from politics, 598 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 8: I think it is like a moth to a flame. 599 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 8: They don't think he's totally done with politics. 600 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 5: There's this big push for NASA to beat the Chinese 601 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 5: government to the moon, and so is there going to 602 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 5: be some kind of I guess division between NASA and 603 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 5: SpaceX if it's taking too long. So how will that 604 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 5: affect the NASA and SpaceX relationship going forward? 605 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: In the next five years, el and the grandfather will 606 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: be kind of a reminder of him growing older. So 607 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if we see, you know, Elan 608 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: and inconvertible. 609 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 2: That's what I think is going to happen. 610 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 9: I think in the next couple of years, Elon is 611 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 9: going to become Christian. I'm using air quotes. He keeps 612 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 9: tracking far right. JD Vance, late blooming Catholic Russell Brand 613 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 9: got baptized. But that's my prediction. 614 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 4: Elon Musk Christian I have a feeling that the craziest 615 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 4: thing that will happen to Elon's future is on the 616 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 4: social media platform he owns. 617 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 3: I think he's going to start to lose followers. 618 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 12: I think the natural thing for Elon is that he's 619 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 12: going to have to pick a fight with a new 620 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 12: high profile nemesis. And the guy that seems most obvious 621 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 12: to me would be Sam Altman. This is the Elon 622 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 12: story that will keep us all riveted and watching and 623 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 12: reading and podcasting about Elon in the year ahead. 624 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 10: I think we're in for another X post that causes 625 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,719 Speaker 10: a you have said the actual truth level uproar or worse. 626 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 10: Elon has just been getting darker and darker on X 627 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 10: of late, and I can see Musk in his words, 628 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 10: uttering something that is a new, worst and dumbest post 629 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 10: that he's ever done. 630 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 2: Okay, that was in order again. Joel Weber, Lauren Grush, 631 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 2: the Great Magnus Henrickson, Brendan Newnham, Rayjan Harmanci, Josh Green, 632 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 2: Craig Trudell Sarah, Josh, there was on your Sam Altman feud. 633 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: Everyone's getting hyped up about this. This is gonna happen, 634 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 2: isn't it. 635 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 7: It is happening. It's happening right now. 636 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: It is happening the actual cage match Man Max in 637 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 2: an actual cage match. Alan doesn't matter. He's a small guy. 638 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. The one thing I'll say is he is. 639 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 3: He does seem to have some agility, so that could 640 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 3: give him. 641 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 2: He's nimble, he's nimble. It would give him an advantage. 642 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 2: He could run circles around around Musk. Before I press 643 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 2: you guys for predictions on a couple specific things, any 644 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 2: other reactions to our Those are some lame predictions. 645 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 3: That's my reaction. 646 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 2: I mean, like, well, you don't like Magnus's prediction. 647 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 3: And they've already they've all, like all, every single one 648 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 3: of them have already happened. I thinks is a Christian 649 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 3: Elon sells or I mean he has sold in the 650 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 3: past a convertible. I'm sure he owns their must. 651 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 2: Becoming a Christian. 652 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 3: I don't know. He tweets about Christianity all the time. 653 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 3: Sam Almon feud is going on right now like I 654 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 3: want some real predictions from this crew. Actually, Rayhon had 655 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 3: a good bold one, which was that he would lose 656 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 3: Twitter followers. 657 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the rest of you, guys, Weber, Rush, Hendricks 658 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: and Nunam Hermansi, Green Trudell, you all suck, says Mac. 659 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 2: Last question here, last question that you'll ever be asked 660 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 2: on the Elon Show as Elon goes away. But Elon himself, 661 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 2: of course, until he may leave this earth, keeps doing 662 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 2: his thing. So my question for all of you is, 663 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:02,760 Speaker 2: tell me what the next company is that he found. Kurt, 664 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 2: start with you, give us, give me your best answer, 665 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: don't think too much about it. And Kirk, because you're 666 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: always crying that we go to you last night, we'll 667 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 2: go to you first again. Let's go if and when 668 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,959 Speaker 2: Musk dials up a new company, what is it? What's 669 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: the new company? What's the business? 670 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 6: Come on, I'm gonna piggyback on Dana and say something 671 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 6: to do with fertility and birth rates. So I don't 672 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 6: know if it'll be science based or what, but it'll 673 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 6: have to do with more people having more kids. 674 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 3: It's like a birth control pill that doesn't work is 675 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 3: gonna be I've got one. 676 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 4: I mean, he's always talked about how candy bar suck, 677 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 4: Like why isn't there a new candy bar? Like why 678 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 4: are we suck with Snickers? You know, Snickers and movie way, Like, 679 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 4: He's often intimated that there should be like a new 680 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 4: a new kind of candy. 681 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 2: Do we think that's right? Do we think Snicker sucks? 682 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 3: No, Snickers is like undeniably the best candy bar. 683 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 6: Right, He's the new Willy Wantka. 684 00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, these are not crap that that that our 685 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 2: friends send us. Okay, so we've got we've got a 686 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 2: sex fertility robot. 687 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 3: Fertility. 688 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 2: I think I feel like there's gonna be a robot 689 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 2: that's gonna make this happen. We've got a candy bar, Sarah, 690 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 2: what do you got? 691 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 7: I'm gonna I'm gonna piggyback on what Kurt said and 692 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 7: say that he's going to try to make the Optimist 693 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 7: robots be able to carry children. 694 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 4: What if there's an Optimist neural link kind of tie 695 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 4: in and like there's some kind of way to program 696 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 4: it to breed, right, all right? 697 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 6: I thought I had a pretty reasonable like fertility thing 698 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 6: which is now quickly turned into sex robots. So I 699 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 6: just want to point out that my original prediction. 700 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 7: He's very into like outsourcing the creation of children. 701 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 3: Elon is pretty much said he's going to develop sex robots, right, 702 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's. 703 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 2: Like everything everybody says. Max's answers, she's already said that, 704 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 2: he's already done. What do you got. 705 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 3: My prediction is that in uh January twenty thirty one, 706 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 3: Elon Musk will be inaugurated as the next governor of Texas. 707 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 2: Wow, that's a that's not a come. It's a gotta company. 708 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 2: But it's all right, we'll it, We'll let it go. 709 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 2: And and he is, of course legally allowed to run. 710 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 3: Right And I think, I mean so obviously when you 711 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 3: get somebody like Elon Musk, rich guy, loves to be 712 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 3: in politics, likes to be at the center of things, 713 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 3: there's often speculation about a run for president. I guess 714 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 3: never discount it, right, He's he's attempted crazy year things 715 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 3: in the past. Maybe, But I kind of think being 716 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 3: governor is fun. It's probably more fun than being president. 717 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 3: He lives in Texas, it's a conservative state. He's one 718 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 3: of the most famous people like it in the worldly. 719 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 3: I guarantee you there are political consultants who have contemplated 720 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 3: this already. I don't know, I could kind of see 721 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 3: it like like Schwarzenegger basically. 722 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 2: But but Elon right, very good. We are adjourned for 723 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 2: the last time, and let's get this right. As I 724 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 2: say goodbye to everybody, Sarah, Dana, Kurt, Max, it's been 725 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,919 Speaker 2: a pleasure, great to be here. 726 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 6: It's been a ride. 727 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 4: Thanks guys, see you on everybody's business. 728 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 7: Thanks for having us. 729 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to check on those predictions, yes, in 730 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 3: a few years. 731 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Stacy Wang and edited by Annamasarrakas. 732 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 2: Our supervising producer, as always, was Magnus Hendrickson. The Elon Inc. 733 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 2: Theme was written and performed by Taka Yasuzawa and Alex 734 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 2: Sugiurra Blake Maple's handled engineering, and Dave Purcell fact checked. 735 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 2: And I want to extend a big, big thanks to 736 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 2: all of them and everyone else who worked hard behind 737 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 2: the scenes to make the show go these past two years. 738 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 2: Elon Inc. Out tasty, ste