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Speaker 1: direct from my man's gloom tool. Because what I'm in here,

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Speaker 1: let me just let me just get intentionally with I'm interviewing.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna sunk your head up with because we're

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Speaker 1: we're friends, but I'm interviewing one of my actual favorite

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Speaker 1: contemporary actors, one of my favorite peers, one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite actors, Wood Harris. Now, some people might go, who,

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Speaker 1: how the fun I'm talking about Avon Barksdale. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about above the rim. I'm talking about his pedigree

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Speaker 1: is long. I'm talking about a track record that goes back.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about when we were Titans. Yeah. Only I'm

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Speaker 1: in here with Wood Harris. Um, I'm currently displaced, so

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Speaker 1: I'm at his This is an actual gloom tool because

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Speaker 1: the studio for the Iron Rapports stereo podcast is called

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Speaker 1: the Glue Tool. Wood. I know for somebody who is

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Speaker 1: is like renowned as you. You already told me that

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Speaker 1: you're uh your Internet, Instagram Twitter game is is on

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Speaker 1: the laws on this idoly? But grab that mike though,

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Speaker 1: would all right? So I'm in here with Wood Harris. Um. Fuck,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start. But we're friends.

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Speaker 1: But now I get to get I get the fan out.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I want to say about your career and

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Speaker 1: you as an actor number one, I think you're completely

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Speaker 1: by Hollywood standards, undervalued, underappreciated, and you're you haven't even

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Speaker 1: tapped the surface of what you can do. You agree?

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Speaker 1: I agree as far as tapping the service, you know,

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Speaker 1: undermand under under service, under under, underrated, I guess it's underrated.

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Speaker 1: I don't really look at myself that way, because you know,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to see yourself that way, but it's cool

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Speaker 1: with others see yourself that way. I see I see

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Speaker 1: you that way, you know what I'm saying. Before I

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Speaker 1: when we first met A long time ago, bro, it

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Speaker 1: was a while ago, pre grads. Yes, now I'm on that.

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Speaker 1: I'm on that, on that just for mention. Um, so

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Speaker 1: listen where I'm gonna start. People probably first saw you

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Speaker 1: when you you came out in Above the Rim, which

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Speaker 1: you were doing that movie Above the Rim, Um, was

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Speaker 1: that your first film? That was my first film? That

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Speaker 1: Are you serious? So how did that happen because because

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Speaker 1: hard body karate. Of course, I don't fact check. We

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Speaker 1: ship like I didn't know about that. Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: That put me in a position to get above the rim,

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Speaker 1: I've seen Wood dunk on motherfucker's like not on some

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Speaker 1: to drop out. So you're studying acting at this school? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like like you're getting your masters, getting the masters. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're talking to somebody, but but masters is like, yo,

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Speaker 1: Billy Crude Up was in my class. Ship, Well, he's

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Speaker 1: a class above me. Jeffrey Wright, oh ship was to

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Speaker 1: um a Tupac fan. You know, that was the early ship,

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Speaker 1: you know what. I didn't get Tupac, I mean, but

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00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: yet I didn't get it like I was. I knew

424
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: to do. I didn't get Tupac till be honest with you,

425
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 1: after he was going. I didn't like. I kind of

426
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: missed the boat. You know, my my ego probably was

427
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: there or whatever, and I missed the boat. I didn't.

428
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. But he you know, he's the

429
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 1: greatest to ever touch the mic in terms of performance

430
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 1: on the mic, the only only on other ones up

431
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: there with him. He could show you rage on the

432
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: mic and show you like on that. And he can

433
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: be he can yeah, he can show you vulnerability on

434
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: the mic, and and and the lyrics were extremely well

435
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: written and multi subjects to nowadays, these every rappers got like,

436
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, something of the kind. Not every rapper sucks,

437
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 1: but I mean, that's a whole. It's it's it's it's

438
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of young cats who who pretty good. But

439
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say a bunch is a handful. A handful

440
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: is a bunch, Okay, it depends on how big your

441
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: fucking hands. Like it hates rap now he hates it

442
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: become so he's disappointed. It's like, it's like rap rap

443
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: could have done a lot of things, and look what

444
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: it's doing. So look what the fun was doing? All right,

445
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: so stay on. So so so when you're making the film,

446
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: your your co star, and a guy you're becoming friends

447
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: with gets fucking shot during the making of a movie.

448
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean, people don't understand, like there's some yeah that's unusual,

449
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: not you know, funny because I was there. Not not

450
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: that I think about it. That's crazy because that's what

451
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: never happened to me again Yeah yeah, I mean wow,

452
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: And you know what's the front page of the news.

453
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 1: It was like it was like it was like front

454
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 1: page man. To be honest with you, I was in it,

455
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: so I just kind of was happening around me. The

456
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: director came up and was like, you might have to

457
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: finish this film. We might have to rewrite this film.

458
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: At the end, but instead they went and got a

459
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: look alike. What people don't know. So that's what we're

460
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: gonna come when we do we do the thing, then

461
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: that if somebody tried to steal that, we're gonna come

462
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: and see it. I'm bringing whoever. I'm bringing somebody man

463
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: with me. Yeah. So yeah, so so a lot. There's

464
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: a look alike in that movie. The finished the film

465
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: finished the film. So so you were saying usually like

466
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: like into the dragon, So you were saying you spoke

467
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: to him two weeks before he passed. Yeah, two weeks

468
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: before he packed. And what was like what it was

469
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: a brief conversation. It wasn't a long winning conversation because

470
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm not a long winning He wasn't long winning on

471
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: the phone, you know. It was just a checking in

472
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: type thing. Um. I ended up talking to him because, uh,

473
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: my brother's friend again, my brother, the great Steve Harris

474
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: from the practice, his friend whose name I would not mention,

475
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: um also new Park and called him up and was like, yo,

476
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: I got to do who So that's how I ended

477
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: up talking to him on the phone. And I didn't

478
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: call him on my own and initiate the car he

479
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: didn't call me, got you. But what happened was that

480
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: there was the car was made and we end up

481
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: chopping it up. Um, yeah, Tupac was. I learned a

482
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: lot from Tupac. Working with Tupac what like what Well,

483
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: one thing he did on the set there was a

484
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: take that UM had a technical problem and he was

485
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: supposed it was just a little easy scene Mike, when

486
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: you drive up, get out the car and walk, and

487
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: I said, it was just such a little coverage scene.

488
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: So he drives up and he can't open the door

489
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: because the latch on the door was one of them

490
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: slippery type like it didn't have a knob on. So

491
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: he kept on struggling with it and it was stuck

492
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: and all that type of stuff. So he um, he

493
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: tried one time, they said cut. He tried it again

494
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: and the same thing happened, and then Tupac got out

495
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 1: of the car and said, Okay, I'll be back when

496
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: y'all fixed the door. He went to his trailer and

497
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: he stayed in the trailer of like two hours. Now,

498
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: I'm not that type of an actor and I'm not

499
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: that type of an artist, but I did learn something

500
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: from that. I liked how the crew the director. That

501
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: director died last year too, or was it the year before?

502
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: He just died recently. Yeah, he also directed. He went

503
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: on to direct Booty Call. His first movie was Above

504
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: the Rim though, so I'm sure you know that's really

505
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: his his his thing. But um, but yeah, I learned

506
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: like how he worked with those people wasn't how I

507
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: would work with him. But it still had to learn that,

508
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, but I would find a happy medium.

509
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: I don't just go on the say and get told

510
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: what to do. And my first movie taught me you

511
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: don't just have a directed movie puppet you around, right,

512
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: but you gotta come prepared to I never saw him unprepared.

513
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: He was prepared. He always was prepared. He never was

514
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: I never saw him unprepared. Did you get a sense

515
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: that he loved acting? Yeah, big time. Park loved expressing.

516
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: If you think about it, That's why I said that,

517
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: just said about him on the mic, like he was

518
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: the best performer of mic of the act. You know,

519
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: does every MC gets on the mic? Does an act

520
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: rock him gets on the mic? You know? I want

521
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: to relax in the room and escape from New York

522
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: to return through the womb or the world as a thought.

523
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: When he performs it, you know, he gives it that

524
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: five you know that ship, that that ship. So his

525
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: performance is dope. We love that. We love rock him.

526
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: The only character like that who performed like that. Tupac

527
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: is something different, right, he got like a black panther

528
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 1: inside of him, real rageful animal inside. Right. All right,

529
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: So you talked about rapping, you talked about most deaf

530
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: a kaya bay so so talk about because you told

531
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: me some wild ship like you were like officially like

532
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: MC and like you were open so people know, nobody knows,

533
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: like like like you want to battle me real quick? No,

534
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm just just but no, but like, so talk about that,

535
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: Like I just took it really seriously. That's all. I

536
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: just thought very seriously about about art in general. Really

537
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: I still do. I still just take a serious in

538
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: a sense where I'm committed to it for my livelihood

539
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: but not just pay for my feelings for how I

540
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: feel about You have to do it, Yeah, I kind

541
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: of have to do it. Like if I don't do it,

542
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what then be doing. Then I got you.

543
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: Just Like what am I gonna do? I got you?

544
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: Just be a dude. I got you, I mean, and

545
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: so now I'm so much in it that I just

546
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: don't know anything else. So but didn you tell me

547
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: like you you told me like you opened like open

548
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: for lots of people trip call quest in w A

549
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: two live crew see not I see I'm going back

550
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: um and as a solo or were you in a

551
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: group like solo? And what was the name of your

552
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: what was your f O t M? Because because I

553
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: grew up in Chicago, so we had the FO I

554
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: throughit of Islam, So what I based mine on with

555
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: like fruit of fruit of the mind was the name

556
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: of the FO t M. It was just me a DJ,

557
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: and I thought I was Big Daddy Kane. So I

558
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: had I had two dances and you were doing I

559
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: had two dance I just danced in the middle of

560
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: them too, just like I stole basically Big Daddy Kane's routine.

561
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm Scoop and Scrap my brother Scrap and I had

562
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: action and reaction, two dances, action to react. And this

563
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: is ship Shytown crew sidetown all day like like I'm

564
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: the oldest one of the one of the one of

565
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: the I should say. I hate to say old because

566
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: that that that makes it seem like something ain't working.

567
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: But I should say, um, pioneers in Chicago hip hop,

568
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: it's difficult for them to talk about like that because

569
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm just a different artist today. So I got you.

570
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: But when you so, you were so you're opening up

571
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: for these groups, So what do you like? What was

572
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: like the craziest ship like you're opening for Tribe, You're

573
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: opening for n w A. I even didn't show Wick

574
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: King Queen Latifa special ad Uh we did arena with them?

575
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Serious? So you you like, this is serious,

576
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: this is before and you can put that on. Send

577
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: me the pick too, because I but I'm gonna have

578
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: to likeny with my crew. Don't fact because email you

579
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: to pull your whole modern like you know, internet program.

580
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: I feel like twelve years behind. So I don't want

581
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: you faxing and just don't do that. You're you're better off.

582
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm just that I do. I'm funked up in the

583
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: game because I don't know what but just read the newspaper. Okay,

584
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: that's a big difference. You're I just don't want you

585
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: facts in the pick. I need you to tell here,

586
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,239
Speaker 1: email me that ship, hologram it to you. So when

587
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: you're doing these fact me in hologram? Was that so

588
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: you were you're doing this before n y you like

589
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: you're doing this in the eight definitely, Yes, it was

590
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: the eighties, and so so in the in the Chicago

591
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: hip hop Charicago scene there was it was before even common,

592
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: but just just before common, but not before tongue Twisters.

593
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: So I did showers with who you call tongue twister.

594
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Tongue Twisters one of the pioneers hip hop out of Chicago,

595
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: and um, and what about Kanye West at this point

596
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: is Kanye West West? There was no Kanye West. Although

597
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Kanye came came, he came a decade later. Okay, okay,

598
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: so this is this is early early, the very beginning

599
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: of Chicago, which ain't the beginning of rap was already old,

600
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: but Chicago was was was many many moons behind New York.

601
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: Hip house music was in Chicago. I wasn't the house heads,

602
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: so I just was a hip hop head. And I

603
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: ended up my best friend in my DJ and we

604
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: end up landing a manager, and I just went pursuit

605
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: pursuit of it, you know, And so the manager got

606
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: his shows and so we ended up the early dudes

607
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: doing hip hop in Chicago. Okay, okay, okay, okay, we're

608
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 1: gonna put We're gonna post that picture with the thing,

609
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: all right. So so because I can't cover everything you've

610
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: ever super fresh, all right, I can't cover every other

611
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: everything that you've done. So let me let's talk about

612
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: the Remember the Titans a k A. When we were Titans. Denzel,

613
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: you're in this movie. It's a big fucking movie. Talk

614
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: to me about that film. That's a classic film. There's

615
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: a classic Denzel Washington. You're working with him. What was

616
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: that like? What was that film? Like? What was the

617
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: making of that film? Like? Well, I mean the making

618
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: of that film was dope. Um, we shot that in Atlanta.

619
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: It's a true story. Um that's another thing. I've done

620
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: a lot of true stories. Even Hendricks paid in full.

621
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: Avon Barksdell is a real person. True stories and uh

622
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: paid in full. What I'm doing now nine eleven weird

623
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: not I think about this a lot of true stories,

624
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: but most actors get fictitious stuff. But um, um, remember

625
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: the Titans ended up being like great for me, you know,

626
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: getting to know Denzel that was dope. He came and

627
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: saw me on Broadway. WOUM. Yeah, Denzel is is super dope.

628
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: You know. I looked up to Denzel at the time,

629
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: even though I always wanted to just be my own

630
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: original thing, you know, I still looked up to Denzel

631
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: um getting remembered the Titans. I had already done Hendricks,

632
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: so I had lost like a bunch of weight because

633
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: I just wasn't eating because I mean, I couldn't imagine

634
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: eating and playing Jimmy Hendricks. I just wanted to live

635
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: like Hendrick. So I I wasn't doing contemporary stuff. I

636
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: didn't listen to contemporary music. I rented a small house,

637
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: super small, and lost feels at the bottom of this

638
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: hill when nobody could see me. I had a car

639
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: that was from the fifties, and just I just wasn't

640
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: I just was committed to it. So I went in

641
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: on it because I just felt like, you don't want

642
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: to do a disservice to some living people. That's the

643
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: thing about getting true stories, just like you don't want

644
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: to do a disservice to people. And I had met

645
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: some of his family members and stuff, so it seems

646
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: like there's so much on the line, you know, like

647
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, you just don't want to sunk up. So

648
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: what did you did you play guitar beforehand? I didn't

649
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: play guitars guitar at all, not I didn't play guitar

650
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: play now left handed. So you learned to play learned

651
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: to play left hand at four. I can't say that

652
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: I was efficient at playing guitar at that time, but

653
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: i'm efficient now and it's because of Jimmy Hendrickson. And

654
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: you were efficient enough to look like you were playing guitar. Yeah,

655
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: they taught me how to where the notes would be

656
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: and the chords would be at that time. But that film,

657
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: like you said, they made mistakes that I think, Um,

658
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, I wish they hadn't make you receded the film.

659
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: I feel like your performance was way better than the film,

660
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: and I feel like, um, it wasn't taken as seriously

661
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: as it should because remember watching it, this, how this,

662
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: how impressed I was with you. I remember where I

663
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: was when I saw it. I was in my uh

664
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: my first home that I owned. Remember when this before

665
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: flat TVs, when you had those big ships you had

666
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: to get rolled in. You couldn't even lift them. They

667
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: were like it was like a piece of furniture. And

668
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: I remember watching and I was like, I don't think

669
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: I knew you. I think we played ball together in

670
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: the in the Hollywood League. I don't think I ever

671
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: cracked your ass in that league. I don't want to.

672
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: I want to stay focused. I want to stay focused.

673
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: I don't think I a two times champ from the league.

674
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to want to put some speck on

675
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: my name. I want to stay focused on time champ. Man,

676
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we finished. Okay, I just say I

677
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: don't think I have a bus, but I want to

678
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: see focused. To talk about Hendrix is that I remember

679
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: seeing him be like this motherfucker because every like everybody

680
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Hendrix, Jimmy Hendrick come on here. And I

681
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: was like, this motherfucker's really fucking good, Like look at

682
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: this ship, Like he's like Jimmy. As an actor, you

683
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: could just see the hard work, you know, as a

684
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: fellow actor or artists, you can just see the hard work.

685
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: But that film, like I said, it could be better. Man,

686
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: A lot of things you do can be better. You

687
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: never can't control the outcome of ship. But that film

688
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: was ended up. Maddie Rich he directed it straight on

689
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: it as a director of it. She was fired by

690
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: the company. And then Leonie Chasco, who directed sugar Hill,

691
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, sugar Hill with my brother and and

692
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: Wesley Snipes. He came on during production. During production they

693
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: fired already were shooting. Look, the making of that is

694
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: crazy too. The only people they kept from that was me,

695
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: Billy Zane. They fired literally everybody else and vividcal was

696
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: in that while you're making the film. I've never been

697
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: in the film that that happened. That's crazy, that's weird.

698
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: The first movie I did, somebody like shot in and

699
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: not somebody. But you just want to start looking in

700
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: the mirror because because you're talking about directors, and the

701
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: clue was getting fired. The entire director crew and everybody

702
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: got fired. Jesus, anybody gets shot during the shot, maybe

703
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: after they got fired. But Maddie Rich, let me tell

704
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: you something, man, Mattie Rich, if you if you're listening

705
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: to this, I got love for you. I don't throw

706
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: people under the bus. But come on, man, you know,

707
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,959
Speaker 1: you know sometimes you know you gotta keep you gotta

708
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: be real about stuff. So not not. I don't. I

709
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: don't like to throw people on the bus. Matti Rich

710
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: got fired. Um, I can't say he didn't deserve to

711
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: be get fired, right, And that's it. You don't need

712
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: to know. You don't need so because I could throw

713
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: somebody that didn't bust without even throwing them under the

714
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: bus straight out of I mean, come on, straight out

715
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: of Brooklyn too. But Maddie Rich, you know, he just

716
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: didn't know really how to handle that story. So he

717
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: got fired, and everybody but me who and Billy Zane,

718
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: who he chose, and Viviga got got fired, including wardrobe people,

719
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: literally everybody. Films shut down for a whole ten days

720
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: and revamped. So for ten days, I was people understand,

721
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's your your during experience. I think

722
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: everybody go through this ship. I mean every film that

723
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: I do, there's always consideration, let's get rid of this cocksucker.

724
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm always like, they're always want to like, let's get

725
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: rid of rabbit Port. He's fucking everything up. I mean,

726
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: but nobody, I I'm just playing. But I've never been

727
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: a part of I feel like, I don't know drama.

728
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: I've been a part of drama, but never First of all,

729
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: firing a director during mid production. I guess that's crazy.

730
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: That doesn't It doesn't get any crazier than that. And really,

731
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as failure, you're setting yourself for

732
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: fil I don't give if if you better bring in

733
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese to fix you gotta bring in you, gotta

734
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: bring in something like because you're you're already. It's hard

735
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: enough making a movie to begin with. Nonetheless, Denzel, when

736
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: we were Titans a k A. Remember the Titans, I'm

737
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: changing the name. I don't fact. He doesn't matter. Fucking

738
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: people know what I'm talking about. He knows, and the

739
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: checks are still coming in. I bet Jerry brock Him

740
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: is great too. He gave me some great personal advice.

741
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: What did he tell you? Jerry Brockham, the producer who's

742
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: produced everything. He's got to be worth a billy. He

743
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: got a billy, probably got a billy. And you know

744
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: what he's got ill teeth. He's got some of the

745
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: sickest teeth in Holly perfect teeth. His teeth game with

746
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: Jerry Bruckhmer. But every time I see him, like, go,

747
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: Jerry Brockhammer, You've got some nice fucking teeth. Man. You

748
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: don't want anything. You don't want anything to do with

749
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 1: this when his chopping broker got a billy, but brooke

750
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: him not start out with a billy. No, unlike Trump,

751
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: he was not giving a small loan of two million

752
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: dollars started his company. Okay, he came out of a

753
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: mail room. He came progress from like nothing. He partnered

754
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: in these ways, and of course you know that was

755
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: old Hollywood in a sense. And he made movies back

756
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: then and made hundreds of millions of dollars, including remember

757
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: the Titans, which at that time was Denzel's highest grossing film.

758
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: That was his first like big bunchy million dollar joint.

759
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: And we made that for small chips were not really small,

760
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: but it was average money. So so what you said,

761
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: Jerry Brucker gave you advice, what was the piece of advice.

762
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: The piece of advice had to do with money. He

763
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: said that. In short, he said that he gave me

764
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: a story about starting the mail room and everything. I

765
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: was starting to tell you, but then he said, you know,

766
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: when you make money, people think the more money you make,

767
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: the more you spend. But really the more you should make,

768
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: the more you should say it, he said, would when

769
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: you go into making money, the more you make, the

770
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: more you save and business is all about a low

771
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: over overhead and high profiting on quality material. And basically

772
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: what he's saying by that, and I'm gonna between the

773
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: lines is is the low overhead means I want you

774
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: to save the little fucking peanuts I'm gonna pay because

775
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give me. I'm gonna the money we're when

776
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: you start making money. When you start making money, take

777
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: this advice. Man. No, I'm just sucking because Jerry brock Is.

778
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: I love all his ship. He's a fucking a pillar

779
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: of Hollywood. And he continues to go, Denzel Washington, what

780
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: is it like working with him? I love Denzel? Everybody

781
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: loves What is his process? Like? Denzel is a pro?

782
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 1: What you learned, what I learned from Denzel is because

783
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: you learned a little bit on the set. Whether you

784
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: know it or not. But when he shows up on

785
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: a set, you you know you're making a film, like

786
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: when you make an independent film. It feels like that sometimes.

787
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: But when you show up and when Mike shows up

788
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: on the set, Mike Rap shows up on the set,

789
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: everybody feels like, well, you know what we're doing the film?

790
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: It's because you're carrying carrying that energy. And I just

791
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: remember Denzel coming on the set as a professional dude,

792
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: like being he always was pad. I never saw him unprepared.

793
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: In between takes, he was working on working, he was

794
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: looking at his sides and and there was never like

795
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: just sort of downtime. You see him just joshing around

796
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: me a little bit, a little bit. And it was

797
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: cool in the way that he did all that, you know,

798
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: and there's kids and stuff like there's there's another you know,

799
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: like it's younger actors, actors and all, and he didn't

800
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: just mentor us or try to be, you know, some

801
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: kind of dude. He didn't have like an ego. Sometimes

802
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: you can work on like I'm doing a movie right now.

803
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: There's a young actor on there that's that's that's popular

804
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I got you. And he carries it

805
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: in a wrong way, you know, But he's just he's

806
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: just a young dude. But he's carrying it like in

807
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: a way that there's not a a cohesive thing. He's

808
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: a separate entity on set. And when you're an ensemble thing,

809
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: you separate yourself. Not good. Yeah, I know what you're

810
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: talking about. I know exactly what you're talking I'm playing

811
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendricks, just saying I can be separate because you know,

812
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm Jimmy Hendrix. I gotta be in the zone as

813
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendricks when I go back to the hotel, I

814
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: gotta stay kind of Jimmy Hendricks. I can't. I can't

815
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: go into wood, I can't be chilling in. I can't

816
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: chill I can't. You gotta stay in there. I gotta

817
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: do something he would do. But you're not necessarily saying

818
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: like you're like because like the obviously the person that

819
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: they talked about a lot now with Daniel day Lewis,

820
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: you're not one of these actors I assume who's like

821
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: where they gotta would And you're like, no, call me

822
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: Jimmy on the but no, but people Daniel users on that.

823
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: But you're you're staying if you call me Jimmy. I'm

824
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: not gonna say called me would either right now. I

825
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: hear you. I just feel like, but you're staying in

826
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: the vibe of what you're doing, jim I just think

827
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: you don't know my name. Ha ha, Mr Hendricks Hendrix,

828
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: you have clearly, Mr Hendrix, look at this wig right.

829
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: Fuck if they're not calling you, Mr Hendrickson, you're on

830
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: the set plane man, and you got a fucking wig

831
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: and you got some pants on, and what's going on?

832
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: What is going on? But right, why would they call me?

833
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: Would anyway? Right? At this point, I know what you mean.

834
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: There's that, there's that, But this young man, you know,

835
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: you make it about yourself as the individual literally your

836
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: government name is what this is about. It's about who

837
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: that person on the set, and it shouldn't be. That's no,

838
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: I hear you. We're working to make this story happen.

839
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: This is a storytelling off pages. You know, you're trying

840
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: to be a little god. You're making something out of nothing.

841
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: And how are you gonna be a mini guy when

842
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: you're stuck on your own balls? Because you somebody knows

843
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: who You walk up the street and you're duke. Take

844
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: your headphones out while you're off camera. Also because I

845
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: take you dig You're you're off came, you're not listening

846
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: to and you're not waiting for a phone like yore

847
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: my man, you're walking off you're you're you're working with,

848
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: you're working with jeez. You take your headphones out, leave

849
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: your phone down the street, down the street. But all right,

850
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: So so when the wind blows and mother's ain't saying

851
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: your name no more, what you're gonna do exactly? All right?

852
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: So so all right, so all right, because I can't

853
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: do the whole fucking wood Harris fucking retrospective, but I'm

854
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna pick. I'm gonna pick some other things. Okay.

855
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: When you were doing The Wire, remember you told me

856
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: this Avon Barksdale. First of all, are you like, who

857
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: the fund is this British guy ad because he came

858
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. And then when you did that, I

859
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: remember you told me because I hadn't seen you for

860
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. I needed text and all that ship.

861
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: But I remember when the like The Wire became what

862
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: it is now, this iconic considered one of the best

863
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: shows ever, as it should be. And you guys are, uh,

864
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: you're playing this character Avon Barksdale, which is like iconic.

865
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: People know it. It crossed over because it was like

866
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,479
Speaker 1: you guys brought the street. You and he just brought

867
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: the street and it was like official you and Michael

868
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: kay Williams home girl what was her name? I mean

869
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: you guys like there was like great actors, some actors

870
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: we know some actors we don't know. Michael be joined

871
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: this from them, Michael Williams is from that. Myself. It

872
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: was elbowed as a lot of talent. And what's the

873
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: main of the main guy I'm sorry, uh yeah, Dominic West, Yeah,

874
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean is a hold Schreiber was in it, Pablo Schreiber.

875
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean that show broke a lot ofthe man, isn't

876
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: it meThe is wild, isn't it? And but it's birth

877
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people and anything. But you just that's

878
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: a list of people. Yeah, that's and you know, so

879
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: so when you put man, we cared about the wire though,

880
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: like like I would say that that that the core

881
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: group me, Mike, Idris, Hassan, Johnson, um Um, Andre Royo,

882
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: Michael Kay Yeah, yeah, Michael, Michael Kay will I mean,

883
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if we put him on, like Michael B.

884
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: Jordan was forgetting Um, I'm forgetting his name and it's

885
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: gonna kill me, but he was in straight out of Brooklyn.

886
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: What's his name? The act Yes, my man, Yes, we

887
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: know who Listen, there's no there's no there's no there's

888
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: no fact checking here. So so basically we know who

889
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about. That's what it is. That's what the

890
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: funk it is. So all ever, everybody off that show. Yeah,

891
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: everybody worked, David Simon, David Simon's brilliant. Everybody loves David Simon,

892
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: David Simon into that. But this is the thing I

893
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up, is I wanted to ask you

894
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: and and and and I say this because I know

895
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: you said in the most respectful way after the wire,

896
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: like I remember, like or while it was sort of popping,

897
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: like you had told me. And and I know I

898
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: understand this now because I do this too, but I

899
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: never understand it when it's I guess it's a fan

900
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: when you're obsessed with something, you love it. But I

901
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: remember you saying, and I don't know if it's changed now,

902
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: but like you were saying, like you hadn't seen all

903
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: the episodes, you hadn't followed sort of the hysteria of it,

904
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: and you were kind of unaware while you were doing

905
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: it that because it kind of was a slow burn.

906
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't like um Breaking Bad, where it was like

907
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: this national phenomenon, like people watched it and then it

908
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: kind of caught on later and then it kept king

909
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: and it sort of continues to live. Well, yeah, you

910
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: know when you you know, Mike Well that when you're

911
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: shooting something, you don't really know the outcome of it, right,

912
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: So you just think that if maybe you do your

913
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: best outcome and be good or you know, you have

914
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: the best outcome. Right. So during the Wire, we just

915
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: cared about the scripts. Man, David Simon is um a

916
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: good guy. Um, you know, you know you're working for

917
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: a good guy. You get great scripts, and we're boy

918
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: the book. When you watch The Wire, it might look improvisational.

919
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: That's about the book acting. In fact, I think all

920
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: of my stuff is really by the but I don't

921
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: really improve a lot. But you mean, so the scripts

922
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 1: were like tight likes scripts, even the slang and the flow.

923
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: He was like, the writers were writing that ship. The

924
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: writers were writing it. It's written. It's a written show

925
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: fully written, show fully written acted showy. Uh. I just

926
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: think that it didn't have I think Breaking Bad has

927
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: social media. Maybe that's true why I didn't have that,

928
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: And I think the more complicated And it's no disrespect

929
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: cause I funk with Breaking Bad, the spromes, all those shows.

930
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: But you're right, I think the social media, now, if

931
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: they had social media for the wire. I don't know

932
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: what would happen. It would have it would have taken

933
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: it to the breaking bad level and social media. But

934
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: be hindsight, but it didn't get social media like Twitter

935
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: while it was on. No, not at all. And it

936
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: wasn't like that weekly thing. It wasn't that it was.

937
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: It was a little bit. So. I mean, listen, it's

938
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: considered the best show, if not your your favorite show,

939
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: top one two or three shows. Yeah, I mean that

940
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: to men. Who's gonna be able to predict that? We

941
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: just you didn't know, You're just like, this is a

942
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: good script. Me. It just I didn't even work with

943
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: with Mike Williams because if you'm working with him, was

944
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: shooting each other? Kill that Cox. Yeah, he's gonna kill me.

945
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill him, right, So I only work with

946
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: Driss and me and DRIs we communed. Me and it.

947
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: Dress was a new talent at that time, me too,

948
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: really And no, you had already I had done things,

949
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: but I had never done a series. None. Another thing.

950
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: We do a series when I just do movies, that's

951
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: one thing. Television is another different fruit. It really isn't me.

952
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: It's guaranteeing that people are gonna see you on a

953
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: weekly basis, or our days is a daily basis. So

954
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: a movie means that weekend people are gonna come in

955
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: the movie gonna go away. But um, you know, television

956
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: really does a different thing, especially HBO at that time.

957
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: I think HBO has kind of done some different things

958
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: unlike they used to have it. Basically, But um, I

959
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: would say that the Wire uh is a classic now

960
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: because people exalted the way they do And uh, I

961
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: still haven't seen that. Still mean I have seen some

962
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: of it. I seen some of the clips. You watch

963
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: some clips? Are you serious? I can't sit up and

964
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: watch it now? Now, I hear you, I hear it.

965
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: But you so you've you've so you've so Basically like

966
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: when I when I did the higher learning, I remember

967
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: at the Press shunk he should have got a chip

968
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: for that. Come on, come on, come on, when I'm

969
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: doing higher learning, I remember the press junket. I'm fucking

970
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: like a kid in a candy stone. And I said

971
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: the fishburn, I said, yo, if anybody else would have

972
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: directed that same movie the same way, he'd got a chip,

973
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: he got the nod. I think they just didn't think

974
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: they overlook John. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, I

975
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: think so would have got a chip, not for sure.

976
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: And the other dude was dope too, I forgot. I

977
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: don't know his name. Everybody Cole cole Houser, Yeah, that

978
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: dude is dope. But I always just dope. I remember

979
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: some one for the podcast to nobody knows anything about him.

980
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. But I remember saying to uh Fishburn, Yo,

981
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: did you see the movie yet? And he was like, no,

982
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't watch my movies. And I was like,

983
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: huh And I was like. He was like, He's like,

984
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: how did you feel doing it? And I said I

985
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: felt good? You know. He goes, well, if you feel good,

986
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: you don't need to look at it, you know. And

987
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: I feel that Now. I'm at that point where I'm like,

988
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: I really don't watch the ship that I'm in, but

989
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: it's just because I mean sometimes I do. But at

990
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: the end of like I used to watch it almost

991
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: as to proof free you can't get through something I'm in.

992
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: It's getting hard. What it mean is I just I

993
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: can get through it at the premiere, that's it. After

994
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: the premiere, if I don't if you know, it's tough.

995
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: It's tough, and don't I just I don't like watching myself.

996
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I need to watch myself if

997
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: something is very masturbatory about watching yourself do something you

998
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: did and so you gotta look at everybody else or whatever.

999
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: But I used to watch it as like a freak

1000
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: because at first of all, when I first started acting,

1001
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that was in a was like holy,

1002
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: I was like, what the funk? I mean, listen, I

1003
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: still see the ship. I still see takes I go

1004
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: see work with the directors. Now look at the monitor,

1005
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, when we do a d R, I

1006
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: feel it's not like I'm totally ignorant about what I've seen.

1007
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes I like what I see. Sometimes I

1008
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: feel like I wish I did something different, or something

1009
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: different happened by a different you know, from a different

1010
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: actor or a different a different not actor, but take

1011
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: a different take. But um, that's the biggest thing that

1012
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: frustrates me. And yeah, I don't like that. I don't

1013
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: like to be frustrated, you know. And you know, sometimes

1014
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: they give you a private screening and I'll see my

1015
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: thing all the way through and uh, I don't like

1016
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: to feel even a glimmer of discouragement. It's like a

1017
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: painting to me, you put it on the I don't

1018
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: get the funk out the gallery that everybody else look

1019
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: at it and judge it. And honestly, man, I am

1020
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: artistic because I really mean it. I don't give a

1021
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: funk about love and hate either, because if some people

1022
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: come to me said I love you, I love you,

1023
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: I love you, and and occasionally you get the man

1024
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: fuck you people come and go I know who you are.

1025
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: Don't give a funk right in my life, Like listen,

1026
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, I'm at the fucking astro Burger, right,

1027
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: and there's a great friend of mine who I grew

1028
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: up with. His name is Godfrey. I don't know if

1029
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: you know, the comedian. Yeah, yeah, god god I grew

1030
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: up with right and uh so he happened to be

1031
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: in that bumping to him. Oh ship, we're going through

1032
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: this step of whold type. Hey man, it's been some

1033
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: years this and that, so it's a cat in there.

1034
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: He's like would Harris and I'm like, I said, yeah,

1035
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: what's happening And he's like, man Hendricks. He mentioned Hendrix

1036
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: of all things. I wouldn't think this dude. We mentioned Hendry,

1037
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: He's kind of looked like a hood dude, right, so

1038
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: he said Hendrix, and usually hood cats make tay something

1039
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: about painting full or whatever. So I'm like, yeah, Hendrick.

1040
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, yeah, that's a cool thing. And so

1041
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: Godfrey gets back into me. Now got my friend. Godfrey's

1042
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 1: backwards to this guy. So when he Godfrey turns around,

1043
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: he recognized Godfrey goes Godfrey right away goes man, funk

1044
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: what Harris Man? I want to be you? You know,

1045
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: harriesn't want to be you. He he loved you and

1046
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: shipping on you and me in two seconds. And then

1047
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. He was sitting with his chick

1048
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: right and I could listen. I'm a funny guy right now,

1049
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm stopping the jokes from raining out of my mouth

1050
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: about the aesthetic of the whole situation. But he's saying

1051
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: when this little this chicks she eating the postromy and

1052
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: chess on fries type thing. Right. So I'm and me,

1053
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: I'm a casual dude, like I was, like I had

1054
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: on these same things, these same little slippers. I got

1055
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: one like flip flops. That's how shoes the house shoes

1056
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: flip flops actually hit how shoes the house shoes and

1057
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: flip flops like flip flops. I'm on that ship too. Yeah,

1058
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: I wear flip flops. I'm super casual when I'm moving around.

1059
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: Not so the girl goes, are you a bump? Right?

1060
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: And the guy goes, what are those? That that world

1061
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: Star ship when they pointed at your shoes and they go,

1062
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: what are those? This is that the Astra dude, one

1063
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: of the same dude who was just like, oh my god, what,

1064
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: he goes, what are those? And then so he's trying

1065
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: to like, I mean, they went into trying to make

1066
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: me react or respect whatever it was. Don't you know

1067
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: what I told this dude and I got this for

1068
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: most stuff two days before I told it to this dude.

1069
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: I told him in listen man, spread love, period, bro,

1070
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: just spread love. Man. If I was a real bum,

1071
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: what would you be doing to me now? Right? You

1072
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: just want me to feel but would you want to

1073
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 1: bump to feel bad? Spread love? Not? The funny ship

1074
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: is this? Let me tell you the funny ship now

1075
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: in my heart? Really really, I'm the type of soccer

1076
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: motherfucking a jaw but I'm on a new I'm just

1077
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: it's been many years of just not doing I'm just

1078
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: not that dude, not that dude, you know. But it

1079
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: was a holding back that had to happen because on

1080
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: the reel, I mean even right now, I feel it

1081
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,479
Speaker 1: like I just want to sock that dude. Right, So listen,

1082
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 1: how listen how karma works? Four days later, oh Ship,

1083
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: before day least. I see this dude and he don't

1084
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: see me, right, he got these two chicks with him

1085
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: and give some holes with him, keeps with him. The

1086
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: dude chicks was cool. The first chick was she's busted,

1087
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: like anyway, I ain't gonna go to but um, so

1088
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: he got these two chicks with him, and he don't

1089
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 1: see me at all. I'm at a different little spot

1090
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: where you can grab some food in the middle of

1091
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: the night. The interesting is you guys are on the

1092
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: same eating schedule, were the same eat at the same time.

1093
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: So so so I get to take out Ship though

1094
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: he's eating at these places. So I gotta I gotta bounce.

1095
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: I'm on some I wish I didn't have to be here.

1096
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: I gotta get this sandwich fast shit. So uh so

1097
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: I see him. He don't see me, so I'm thinking aboutself.

1098
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: I see his car too, because I remember his car,

1099
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: because he's making a big deal about his car. How

1100
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: you got a whole kinds of cars. And she's like you, duke,

1101
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: no one gives a funk about your car. Gives about man,

1102
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: No one gives a funk about your you know, he

1103
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: goes listen anyway, So I see this dude, I'm thinking

1104
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: to myself. Now now I'm alone to again them all along,

1105
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: I think, should I sock this motherfucker it's drawn GP,

1106
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: just out on GP. Just let him come in the

1107
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: parking a lot, eat and sock them, Sock them out

1108
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: in front of these two holes on general principles, smack

1109
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: the French fries out your out. This dude just on

1110
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: on on on g P. But then, and then I

1111
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: sat in the parking lot for like ten minutes after

1112
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: I got my food. The whole time this joker didn't

1113
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: see me, and I thought, you know, I'm gonna take

1114
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: the high road and slowly drove out of the parking

1115
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: lot there. So to me, I'm cool, man, I'm just cool, No,

1116
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: I hear you cool? Because I really wanted punch to

1117
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: do just on GP or something. I had an accounts

1118
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: in my own type ship and I got a joker

1119
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,959
Speaker 1: talking to me about anything. Listen to this ship talking

1120
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: about to talking about it a way to spread love ship, No,

1121
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: check this out. I'm in the I'm in the Starbucks

1122
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: seven in the morning one morning in in in Wilshire,

1123
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: l A. With my son Mike. We got a segment

1124
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,479
Speaker 1: were your stars on the show? Talk about how people

1125
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: funk with him all that happy ship about Now, what

1126
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: was the next thing you did that was great? Right now?

1127
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: The movie? People want to know who like, they want

1128
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: to know somebody said to Brad Pitt, right, yo, can

1129
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: you imagine that kind of fame? Oh you know they

1130
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: get again they don't even know. Listen to this story.

1131
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: Tell me how you would have reacted. We got you

1132
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: to produce it. Somebody trying to take that idea that

1133
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: which one the above the rim ship then take They

1134
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: didn't take that. There were I'm in here with broadcasting

1135
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: this all day. I'm in here with there's no one

1136
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: taking ship. Listen to this story seven fifteen in the morning.

1137
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm with my son at the time, he's fourteen, now

1138
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: he must have been eleven eleven years old, and and

1139
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: we're going to Starbucks. I walk in. I take him

1140
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: to get his drink. We parked legally, nothing, I didn't

1141
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: do anything in whatever. I take him to get his

1142
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: his latte or where the fucking frappuccino or whatever, yogurt,

1143
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: whatever he wants. I walk out with my things. When

1144
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm coming back and I'm with my son, this chick,

1145
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: black chick. She says to me no. Before we get

1146
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: out of the car. I hear her asking people. She

1147
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: doesn't ask me, she didn't see me. I hear her

1148
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: asking people. You know she's she's, she's, she's. I think

1149
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: she's a druggie or something. She's like asking, can I

1150
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: get a dollar? Can I get a dollar? She's in

1151
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: her red car, regular looking car like I tell you

1152
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: to nothing beat up, but like a regular looking, kind

1153
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: of nice looking girl. I walked back into the car.

1154
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: She goes, you're not gonna give me no fucking money.

1155
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: Who the fund do you think you are? Motherfucker? I

1156
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: know who the fuck you are, motherfu. I'm with myself, motherfucker.

1157
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,439
Speaker 1: You are acting you're not gonna give me any money.

1158
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: This is my son's right, he's like his face dropped.

1159
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm so surprised because I'm like, it's just like an onslaught.

1160
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: It's early in the morning too, so you're barely woken up.

1161
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: And then I'm with I don't know how to react.

1162
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: So she's going on and on, and we get in

1163
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: the car. My son's quiet. I'm like, I'm sorry that happened.

1164
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: He's like, do you know her? I'm like no, He's

1165
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: like I was like, I was like embarrassed, angry. I

1166
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: was glad I and react, but so so so karma.

1167
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: A week later, I'm in another Starbucks about half a

1168
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: mile away, same time in the morning, but it's on

1169
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: a Sunday, me and her on the same probably with

1170
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: this joker that you with. I go in, I go

1171
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 1: into the Starbucks, I come out the same woman. She's

1172
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: like she's started and I see her from from from

1173
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: a distance, and she sees me. She goes, motherfucker. She

1174
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: starts in with me again, but now by myself. I said,

1175
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: listen to me, bitch, I said, because my my heart

1176
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: is racing now. She's on the other side of her

1177
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: car and I never talked to a woman this way,

1178
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: but I was so upset by this ship. I said

1179
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: listen to me, bitch. If you say another thing to me,

1180
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna break your fucking jaw and her face driving

1181
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: And I was in and I got my car. I said,

1182
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: don't say a fucking thing to me. If you see

1183
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,959
Speaker 1: me again, don't say a fucking thing. And I didn't

1184
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: even think twice. And I'm not that dude at all,

1185
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, but but but I never spoke to a

1186
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: woman like that in my life. But she it was

1187
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: so it was so fucking upsetting. But I'm so glad

1188
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything the first time it happened because

1189
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: I was with my son, because what am I gonna do?

1190
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't know what like it was like

1191
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: it was like like a like it was like I

1192
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: got hit with a shoot like a shooting star. Like

1193
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,439
Speaker 1: it was so the first time to just start yelling

1194
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: at you, you motherfucker, like a woman and not even

1195
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: like a homeless like she looked normal anyway, she was

1196
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: saying too. All right, so so let me ask you

1197
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: a question about about about the wire So Idris elbows

1198
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: not Idris listen it like the indress if I was

1199
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: if I had Idriss elbow in here. And I said Idris.

1200
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: Do you think he would be like, I didn't think

1201
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: he would. I don't think he was. I just think

1202
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: that that's hit missing me Adress Idriss, like that ship's

1203
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: short ide he introduce itself as Indress. That's fantastic. I'm

1204
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: a fan Indress, um, but I feel I find myself

1205
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: studying Redress because it sounds better when you say, yeah,

1206
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: no disrespect. But so so so he's blown up into

1207
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: a humongous star. But when you first did that the

1208
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: wire with him, are you like, who's this fucking British dude?

1209
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: Is he speaking with that accent? Because he had the

1210
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: New York like East Coast shipped down packed? It is

1211
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: super cool dude period. I mean, you know he's he's

1212
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: a team player, he's um. You know, at that time,

1213
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: he was unfamous, So you know I wasn't. I wasn't

1214
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: a kind of like big gass star. Nothing like I'm

1215
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: still not. I don't consider myself no kind of giant star.

1216
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: It just is a bigger star. You could say he's

1217
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: he's he got a lot going on, and at that

1218
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: time you can say that he deserves it though he

1219
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: deserves to shine, no doubt, I love him you see.

1220
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: That's the thing, man, when I think about interest, I think,

1221
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, that's one guy who deserves what he has,

1222
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, And sometimes I don't feel that way about

1223
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: some actors. You know, I got a lot of love

1224
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: for everybody from the wire. I just do. Man, I

1225
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like that's like I don't know,

1226
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: like a gang is something. And you know it's like

1227
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: my my peers. I hear you, I hear you. There

1228
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: was no knowing that he would he would transform and

1229
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 1: become so popular. You know, you all the hindsight ain't

1230
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: even seen the show, you know what I mean. I

1231
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: definitely didn't don't know, but um, he but working with him,

1232
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: he's a great actor. I know a great actor when

1233
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm working with one, and it just is a great actor.

1234
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: He's not a good actor, not a very good actor.

1235
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: He's gonna be great or brilliant or genius. There's some

1236
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: actors can be good and very good. You know, the

1237
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: range from okay, good and very good. But it was

1238
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: really ranges from great on up. So when you're dealing

1239
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: with that, you know, steel shopping steel and I think

1240
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: we both um work easily with each other because there's

1241
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,959
Speaker 1: listening going on is not there's not there's not an ego,

1242
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: and nobody on their cell phone, right and they have phones.

1243
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: If anything, we dissect the scene together. We like sometimes

1244
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: his British accident would stick out. He was like, do

1245
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: you hear my can you hear me? And you hear

1246
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: my accent? Like, well I did hear a little bit,

1247
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: and we do another take. Dope sharing, dope sharing absolutely

1248
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: because when you when you're rocking, you're rocking, you're like

1249
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: when we do our show, right, no doubt. But anyway,

1250
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: who who are? Who are? Who's another actor you worked

1251
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: with where you felt like that this guy's really like

1252
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: who's another actor you worked in over the years that

1253
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: you were like or actress that you were just like

1254
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: impressed by, Like this is a really good actor. You know, man,

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01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: I can't say that I feel because not even with

1256
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: working with it just you know, it just feels like ultimate.

1257
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: Not not that you felt better like you know, but

1258
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: like when you're like this is some by impressed I

1259
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: mean but okay, so okay, let me now, you like

1260
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: when you're working with like I said, like when you're

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01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: working with some people, you just know that like this person,

1262
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: like you know, like Yeah, you just feel like you're

1263
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: just like it's like if you're playing ball, like your

1264
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: money could play you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man,

1265
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: that's just don't happen a lot. Bro, It doesn't happen

1266
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: a lot. It's definitely the people. People. I mean, I've

1267
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: been very fortunate. I can't say that had had a

1268
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: lack of that. Like Billy Zane. Billy ain't can fucking act.

1269
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah he's good. I don't know what Billy Zane is

1270
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: right now. Um, but Billy Zane, it was dope. He

1271
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: was in character the whole time. You never saw him

1272
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: out of character. He was still listening to you in character. Right,

1273
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: he was dope. Right. It's more often that you work

1274
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: with actors that aren't connected that that that are trying

1275
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: that you can see the wheels spending, right. Um, you know,

1276
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: let me think who else? Um um, I mean doing Broadway,

1277
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: I would say on Broadway with Nicole Parker. Nicole are

1278
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: Parker on Broadway, you guys should have seen that. She

1279
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: was definitely like or the Broadway experience was unbelievable. Um,

1280
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: she was really killing it every night and um, she

1281
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: was in the zone. Was it bugged out and and

1282
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: fun for you. I remember when we did Justified, we

1283
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: were in scenes together, but we didn't have any with

1284
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 1: your brother though I wish, we I wish, I wish.

1285
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: Actually that was really great too, because that was real

1286
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: good like Justified experience the TV. Yeah, yeah, it was.

1287
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: It was a real free, free experience where you felt

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01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: like I could do what I want to do and

1289
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: everybody's doing what they want to do, and it was

1290
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: a room full of like you can trust these actors

1291
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: know what they're doing type of actors. So I have

1292
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: to be I guess hindsight about it because when I'm

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01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: doing it, when I'm acting, I don't feel like I'm

1294
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: doing anything but being in those moments. So I just

1295
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,479
Speaker 1: when I leave it, I don't know, I could feel

1296
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: that the whole experience was dope, you know, like even

1297
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: now the stuff we're doing, with the stuff we're doing now, Mike,

1298
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm having really great experiences with the guys and working

1299
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: with the kids too, because I think my character works

1300
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: with the kids and the adults here. So the kids

1301
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: are unbelievable, but we really work with so we can

1302
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: say were me and what are both working on the

1303
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: b et New Edition Project Biopic, and and and and

1304
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: what what's What's part? You know, because I know like

1305
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, I don't saying this on that

1306
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: What's part carries through a big, big, big chunk in

1307
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: the movie. And there's young New Edition and then there's

1308
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: the older New Edition. And the young kids I saw them,

1309
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: they look bugged out. They got the little dude rags on,

1310
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: like the like thirteen year old kids. It's one of

1311
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: my most fun experiences right now, I must say, you know,

1312
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: it's I love working in the music stuff. When you're

1313
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: doing a movie that has music like and nothing, then

1314
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: you get the concert scene with all the extras. Atras

1315
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: give you the energy and that stuff is funny. But

1316
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: when you do thinks to stuff a lot of that

1317
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: stuff where you do stuff like that or urbanized films

1318
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: or stuff that's drama and they want drama. Um, you know,

1319
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of feel pinned down by

1320
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: that because even though I don't want to be perceived

1321
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: as a dramatic actor, because I feel like then you're

1322
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: held as a dramatic actor to just be perceived as

1323
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: an artist, who right, even though I ain't trying to

1324
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: be um, you know, Eddie Murphy. I still could do

1325
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: the Richard Pride biopic. I could do it. They still

1326
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: haven't cast that yet. Happen, but they haven't started doing

1327
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: it right now. They haven't started doing it. But that's

1328
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. You know, like I think once you

1329
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: once once people perceive us as great, you perceived differently.

1330
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: You're funny though, you're funny, and you're think, I know,

1331
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: I know what you know, but you're funny. You're funny,

1332
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: and real life people have gotten to experience you in

1333
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: real life, so you know, on shows and things like that,

1334
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: so people know this guy's got a great sense of

1335
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: human kind of like Anthony Anderson is funny. So you know,

1336
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: can go to drama right right, what's his name, Seth Rogan.

1337
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: He said that he said that drama was just comedy

1338
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: without punch lines. He's kind of right, he was. He

1339
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: was saying that drama is a little easier than comedy

1340
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: and that drama is just giving up the stuff that

1341
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: you say before the punch line. I hear you. Punch

1342
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: line is to pay off the hard part, you know

1343
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: what that is? Right, and a bad Joe. He's fucking good, right,

1344
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: Seth is right, So so so you're speaking of the

1345
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: gangster ship. Well, I I got two of the things.

1346
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,799
Speaker 1: I want to cover, the guy I also there's NBA

1347
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: but no, but here's what also want to cover. I

1348
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: want to cover. I'm imagining the Creed because because because

1349
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: hold the funk on im, I got a lot of ship.

1350
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm on coffee, I get excited. Here's what I want

1351
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: to talk to you about Paid in Full, which is, uh,

1352
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: why don't I say a cult classic? But it's it's

1353
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,440
Speaker 1: it's it's some sort of classic. It's not a mainstream

1354
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: class not amazedtrem okay and and if you haven't seen

1355
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: Paid in Full, it's based on a true urban class,

1356
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: really class. It's a black classic. It's an urban classic society. Yes,

1357
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: it's one of those. But but it didn't reach the

1358
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: crossover that Menace and boys. But because because really, you know,

1359
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: you got Damon Dash working with it, and I felt

1360
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: like it was a missed opportunity because I don't know

1361
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: if you know this, but I grew up in that

1362
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: eras right, I didn't and I would see Painting Full

1363
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: is about three three three three gangsters. It was a

1364
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: zy alpo who who who? Who's I mean there's there's

1365
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: another movie just on alpos story and and and rich Porter.

1366
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: And if you listen to any hip hop songs, those

1367
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: names might sound familiar if you don't know about I

1368
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: mean Alpo Rich Porter, listen to I'm proud of people

1369
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: who go see It's a very good film. But I

1370
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: felt like it should have been urban. I hate that

1371
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: word urban or a ghetto. Good fellas. The story is

1372
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: as crazy as good folks. And to tell you, when

1373
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: I was growing man, the politics happened like this, Just

1374
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: just to just let you know, what happened to paying

1375
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: for paid the full Dame Dash jay Z they produced that.

1376
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: That film was also produced by Mirror Max miror Max.

1377
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: That's a big company. And this is what Mirror Max

1378
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: was popping. This is what Mirror Max was popping. And

1379
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: jay Z and Rockefeller was like jay Z. And then

1380
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: that's when they made eighty millions in eighteen months selling Rockaway. Okay, so,

1381
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: but but what happened to paying for Let me tell you,

1382
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: that's when the egos what what what what? We're high

1383
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: higher than all, higher than the clouds on I would say,

1384
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: on the Dame Dash side of things, And I love

1385
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: Dame I got like I love for Dame, you know,

1386
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: because I just do, because I'm just that dude. But

1387
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: I will say that his relationship with Harvey Weinstein at

1388
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: that time really did a disservice to the movie. I

1389
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: think that they bumped heads. I think that I don't

1390
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: think Harvey and you know, you can imagine those two

1391
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: guys not talk about not clicking and mirror Maax's distributor.

1392
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: Um so two things happened to that movie that undermined

1393
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: the movie. That was at the time when the R.

1394
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 1: Kelly tape came out, right, So bootlegging on the street,

1395
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: which y'all don't do this is this is modern times,

1396
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: so so so movies being bootleg DVDs on the block

1397
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: don't happen so much anymore because it's just we live

1398
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: in a digital era completely now. But at that time,

1399
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: people Win bought mix tapes on the corner. People fucking

1400
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: Win bought DVDs on the corner, and it was popping off.

1401
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: Woodland was popping off crazy. So you know that this

1402
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: podcast is the only podcast that still gets bootlegg We're

1403
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: so fucking popping that the bootleggers were keeping they want

1404
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: a bootleg the ship, But you can get it for free.

1405
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: And the people people write songs off the ship, they

1406
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: say on podcast bro, no doubt this is a real

1407
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: thing right here. But um so, so what happened with

1408
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: Painting for was it got second to the r. Kelly tape.

1409
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: It was the most bootlegged fucking thing on the block. Wow,

1410
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: Now how did that happen? I don't know. It's because

1411
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: it was. It had to be tight for it because

1412
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: it was such an anticipated I hate these terms, but

1413
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: it was such an anticipated hood film definitely, especially where

1414
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: the boot which is six. This is when the bootleggers

1415
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,759
Speaker 1: was on the block. Now how to get on the block.

1416
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: But the difference everything gets on the block block, everything

1417
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: is on the block. Everything gets on the block. If

1418
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 1: Star Wars could get on the block, Painting Folk could

1419
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: get on the block, and Painting Ford got on the block.

1420
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: Back then when it was like there was no internet,

1421
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: there was no Internet, no Netflix, no streaming. It was

1422
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: sounding like hot so it was hotka. It was like

1423
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: it was like the record industry, how how they sell records?

1424
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: That's how they sold DVDs. It hurt the sales of

1425
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: the film, But what about the film itself, Like, what

1426
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 1: did you think of the end result and what did

1427
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 1: you like? I mean, I don't have a whole opinion

1428
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: on the end result. I'm proud of the of the

1429
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: of the journey though, like I said, I mean I

1430
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: saw that at the premiere and I've only seen little

1431
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: clips of it and people it's it's it's I like,

1432
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: it's lived on as a classic. It must be something. Yeah,

1433
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: it's a good film, That's just the way I see it.

1434
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: But I think it could have been a Good Fellas film,

1435
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: Like the story was this compelling, and listen, you know

1436
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 1: what good Fellas just because you have a great story.

1437
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: You know you're talking about Martin Scorsese. And the director

1438
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: of this is a good director, Charlie you know who

1439
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: I know because is a great director. And he also yeah,

1440
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 1: he directed to Beneath Apple Bomb video. Yeah, he did

1441
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: a lot of try he did the roots and tried videos.

1442
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 1: He did also if you were, if you were out

1443
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: there that that that bridge that Erica I do did

1444
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: and he also did what's up those conversational guys. He

1445
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 1: created that. But but but you know that that's what

1446
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: put him in fame just because it was a great story.

1447
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: Don't remember those but was that kind of say that,

1448
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: but you know, what was it? What's up? Was that Budweiser?

1449
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: What's something like that? What was that? I don't know,

1450
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: but we should revamp them. Ships, you and me um,

1451
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: but you know growing up in john and come back

1452
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: and ship, growing up in Harlem, you know at that time,

1453
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, being around it. I'm not from harm from Manhattan,

1454
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: but you know those guys Alpo rooftop, the rooftop Quarters,

1455
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: Latin Quarters, rich Porter, seeing them drive around in BMW's

1456
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: hearing the folklore, seeing them in front of Willie's Burgers

1457
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: on a hundred forty Street and like, no they don't

1458
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: know see nostalgias. That's how ours to own from that experience. Yes,

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Speaker 1: these mind and modern pod listeners, you know, yes something

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01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: get it. But you just gotta see. You just gotta

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01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: see the movie and hopefully like them, you're having a

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01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: different world. Now it's a totally different world. Boy and

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01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: girls are the same thing, totally. One of the things

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01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: that I think sucked for for that it was not

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01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: shot in New York City, right, the whole film part

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01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: of it was. But now it was sign in Toronto,

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01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: saving money because you're interiors. No, I got it all

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01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: the exteriors in New York and all and some of

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01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: the interiors, but a lot of the interior we went

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01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 1: to Toronto because in show business, folks, people, you know,

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01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: what difference does it make what the inside where you

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01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: are when you're shooting on the inside of something. So

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01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: a lot of the exterior shots you see we're in

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01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: another country because it was a way to have tax

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01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: write offs and things like that. All right, So that's

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01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: that's that's all I'm gonna cover right now for for

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01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 1: for your career and all the ship you've done. There's

1478
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: so much more to come, and there's so much much

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01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: more we could talk about in the past, um and

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01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: and and I expect Hollywood. First of all, I think

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01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: you're one of the best. I sincerely believe this. I

1482
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,759
Speaker 1: really think you're one of the most talented UM dudes

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01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: out there. And I think that you know, you're like

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01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 1: the best you have to come. I think that's what

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01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say for you. I feel like

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01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 1: the best is you have to come to for you,

1487
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 1: because I feel like you you've only tapped the service

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01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: of what you're capable of. What I wanted to ask

1489
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: before I get into these playoff office, and I want

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01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: to hear your take on this is what what was

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01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:08,440
Speaker 1: your stance on the Oscars so white, the black Hollywood,

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01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: the Oscars, you know, the whole fucking fiasco because you know,

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01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, for me, the whole

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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 1: thing turned into a fiasco because I felt like the

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01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: Oscar Show itself was a fucking joke. Now, based on

1496
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: the fact that I've already teased you that you're Internet game,

1497
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet if I had to bet not knowing this,

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01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: you didn't watch the fucking Oscars. You don't funk with

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01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 1: the Oscars, right, You didn't see the show. But I saw,

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01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: I saw. I saw Chris Rocks thing. I saw his uh,

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01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 1: his his comedy stuff, you know, I saw see. Nowadays,

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01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: what I utilize is just snippets. Bro, I got you.

1503
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go see it. I'm gonna go see the

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01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: opening monologue and then I'm done. But how do you

1505
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: feel because you're one of these actors, You're a black

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01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: actor who he's sort of you know, um and again,

1507
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of it is politics, a

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01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: lot of it is just timing whatever. But like, what

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01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: is your take on Holly would being a black actor

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01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, being an actor like you, who's you know

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01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: who could be considered a leading man. You know that

1512
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: all the all the different sort of the variables and

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01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: also taboos of all that, Like what is your take

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01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: on it and what it was, your take on the

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01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: whole thing that happened this past Oscar season, um, and

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01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: just your your history of being in this ship over

1517
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: twenty years, like let me hear your man first of all,

1518
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 1: just the Oscar thing, um, I'll tell you my first thought.

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01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: My first thought was that there are bigger things, bigger

1520
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: fish to fry than smoscus. I felt like to put

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01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: some to put so much attention towards not getting an

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01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: award of some type and of being under represented. That

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01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: was my first thought. I felt like, I don't want to.

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01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: I don't I don't watch it enough to care about

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01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 1: it so much. So if I get an Oscar and

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01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm nation, I'm gonna be I'm gonna go to the Oscars,

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01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, and get the award. Right. But you know

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01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: you're not hard your hard pressed to see me cry

1529
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 1: about the trophy or over over over a trophy or

1530
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: so I just I'm super realistic about that now because

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01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm older. I used to have the dreamy romance with

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01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: the oscars, so not to say that I haven't been before.

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01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: Now all these people complaining about it, they're like my age,

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01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't understand how they are on

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01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: my page a little bit about it, but they have

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01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: their own perspective. So how I look at it was

1537
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:40,839
Speaker 1: that again, there are other things to be more concerned

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01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: about the black culture rather than a trophy given to you,

1539
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: which is, you know, it's based on somebody likes liking

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01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: it or not liking it. Like, how can I really

1541
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: say like I said, like, I really believe that Mike

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01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: should have got a NOD for what he didn't higher learned,

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01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that, And I'm sure he's heard

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01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: that For many people. I say it because unless they're

1545
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: not timeless enough to see it. But but but, but

1546
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: what you're gonna say about it? Right, it's totally up

1547
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: to them in six thousand people making that decision. And

1548
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: and it's so subjective and it's so much subjection. So

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01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: I didn't feel connected to the mission of it. I

1550
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: can't lie to you know. I didn't feel connected to it.

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01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 1: But what made me have some perspective on it that

1552
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: was maybe on the other side of the coin was

1553
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 1: what the Oscars represented by what the Oscar Show represents

1554
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: in terms of finance. So why shouldn't these movies be

1555
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 1: made or these performances be seen as Oscar worthy when

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01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 1: that means they make more money. So there's commerce that's

1557
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: so not as a translation of commerce that's not happening

1558
01:19:56,439 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: because of bias. So that's a problem. So now the

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01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: same opportunities aren't there, and then that that is a problem.

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01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: That's a problem. So the mission is one thing. To me.

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01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: It's a secondary or not a primary concern Oscars, but

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01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: because it affects business, it affects business so much when

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01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: a movie is nominated, it's like a book being not

1564
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: put out of print. So you overlook a performance or

1565
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's been a whole lot of

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01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: performances that I'm per snickity about that, Like I don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't look Selma. I wouldn't. I wouldn't

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01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: have nominated Homie either. I didn't see the movie with

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01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 1: Will Smith, Okay, so I'm not going to talk about it.

1570
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: But I saw sal Man. I had to watch it

1571
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 1: in three days so what I'm gonna say, everybody deserves

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01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: it just because they're black. And I'm the type of

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01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: dude I roote for the black quarterback. Do I want

1574
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: the black I'm black? Right, it'd be all right if

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01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: the black culture is a surviving culture. I want people

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01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: to understand this. What we see is cultures thriving. When

1577
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: we look in the mirror, we see surviving, and so

1578
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: there's always there's a big difference between thriving and surviving.

1579
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: And for the most part, the Black culture is a

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01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: surviving culture. Surviving not not even check the check, surviving

1581
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: on loans, on government assistance and things like that. Not

1582
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 1: a thriving culture and not a culture either really, because

1583
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: we're really an ethnic group that not enough unity at

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01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: this time to have a claim of a culture. So

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01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: to me, oscar I'm like, I'm like Alan Ibison, this oscars,

1586
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: y'all talking about oscars kind of like how he would

1587
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: talk about, say, the world practice. You can just fill

1588
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: in the world, oscar um, until you think about the revenue,

1589
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: the business of it, and that's where the devil is

1590
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: behind the dollar. You just gotta see it that way, Mike.

1591
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: It's it's like man, higher learning could have an indelible

1592
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,759
Speaker 1: place if if you've got the not if one actor

1593
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: would have got the not even it's amazing that the

1594
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: Wire it's so highly regarded. I love that about the Wire.

1595
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: It's so highly regarded because it didn't get any nod

1596
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: nothing right. I think it got one like late in

1597
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: the game, and it got it feel like something it

1598
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: wasn't had pretending to you know the thing because we

1599
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: didn't talk about creed that's the world's best thing. But

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01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 1: that tells me, man, that's what I mean. I love

1601
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: Marlon Brando, Paul Newman, and I just love that generation

1602
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 1: of actors. I'm like, I love, you know, Humphrey Bogard

1603
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:45,839
Speaker 1: and Clark Gable, Paul Newman and Marlon Brando, the old Denzel,

1604
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 1: the young, the new Denzel. I love the old Larry

1605
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: Fishburn back in the days. Um. I like the fact

1606
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: that I did something that's in thirty five millimeter. No, yeah,

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01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: we we got this printed. That's crazy. We we might

1608
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: not ever do another thing. That's maybe not that's not

1609
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 1: all these movies are made with os and ones. Me

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01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: and Mike we got we we got enough a couple

1611
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: of pieces of experience to to have actual films. That's

1612
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: I never even thought about that. Listen, this is You're

1613
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 1: gonna have to be a recurring guest. That's what's up.

1614
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: Uh At ci Iron Rap Coors Stereo podcast, the Old

1615
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: Wood Harris Edition covered so much ship. This is probably

1616
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: gonna go down as one of the best interviews. And

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01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 1: I had, you know, I had fun. It's the best

1618
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 1: because it's the most punt, but me, it's the most

1619
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: point absolutely. You know. I've had some I've had some

1620
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: motherfuckers on the show. I've had some people on this

1621
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: motherfucker would actually be named some names. I don't want

1622
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 1: to name drop. I don't want to name drop, but

1623
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: this you might have superseded all these motherfucker's cron wrap

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Speaker 1: Coors Stereo podcasts. I'm out.