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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Kyle Stowers and you're listening to Fish

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Speaker 1: On First.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Fish On First Live, part of the Foul

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Speaker 2: Territory Network. Eli Sussman, Kevin Brow, I'm Jeremiah Geiger Jam

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Speaker 2: Packed Show. Today, we're going to talk about the spring

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Speaker 2: breakout game that happened earlier. Today, we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about final lineup and roster projections. But quickly, guys, we

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Speaker 2: want to talk about the end of the World Baseball Classic,

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Speaker 2: a very entertaining tournament. Venice takes home the hardware. They

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Speaker 2: Any lasting thoughts, guys from the end of that tournament,

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Speaker 2: just the WBC in general, the atmosphere that was electric

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was That was awesome. That was some of

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Speaker 3: the best baseball watched in a very long time. That

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Speaker 3: was fun, baseball, entertaining up until the very end. I

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Speaker 3: game was great Venezuela versus a Team USA. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was tough for USA to really not show up in

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Speaker 3: more dominant teams in the in the tournament and they

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Speaker 3: ended up winning the whole thing, and thanks to Ordo

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Speaker 3: need of work and overall this this tournament was a success.

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Speaker 3: Miami is easy the best host of this tournament and

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Speaker 3: continues to show that with the numbers that they put

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Speaker 3: in terms of attendance, even for the bad games with

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Speaker 3: Sonoja who ends up being the lone Marlin to win

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Speaker 3: came down to him and Marcia and and it's Sonoha

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Speaker 3: shout out to Sonoha, who had the home earned the

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Speaker 3: first game of the tournament used to be remembered. Uh So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: no fun tournament. Excited.

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Speaker 3: It was a pleasure and it was super fun to

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Speaker 3: doing my research once again to make sure I know

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Speaker 3: other way to say. This tournament continues to be some

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Speaker 3: of the best baseball out there. And for those who

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Speaker 4: Oh we need to talk more about Snowhuff because this

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Speaker 4: is I don't think this is an exaggeration to say

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Speaker 4: He got to play early on mainly because of an injury,

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Speaker 4: changing financially in the short term. I think every single

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Speaker 4: This is something that I think I mentioned on previous

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Speaker 4: there is this entirely separate fan base, arguably a bigger

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Speaker 4: going to always appreciate what Snohah did here. He's young enough,

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Speaker 4: A guy that has this. He has a very limited

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Speaker 5: So I mean, I just this is awesome for him.

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Speaker 4: He should be He should be squeezing this for every

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Speaker 4: So I don't know, why don't you process your thoughts

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of thoughts I have with it.

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Speaker 2: You saw the emotion on their faces after they won,

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Speaker 2: You got to give the Venezuelans credit and it's an

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Speaker 4: So the expectation is that Miami will once again get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think there's a different ways to

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Speaker 3: I think it was fine. It was electric. That intro

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Speaker 1: That was super cool.

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Speaker 3: So I think Low Depo's the right spot to do this.

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Speaker 3: You also have the Latin community here where I think

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Speaker 3: You know. I think Houston was another decent spot, but

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Speaker 4: The last thing I want to hear from you, Jeremiah,

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Speaker 4: Well, let's get into today's events shortly on the spring

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Speaker 4: let's talk about a spring breakout. Well, well, let's talk

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Speaker 4: with your perspective, Jeremiah. If you were however much you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was watching a good deal of this one.

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Speaker 3: he does, and then potentially promotes them the Triple A. But yeah, no, overall,

434
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Speaker 3: I mean, it was a fun event. It was fun

435
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 3: to be there with mister fish on first prospects with

436
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,239
Speaker 3: Eli watch that. Uh it got very boring at the end,

437
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: and then the conditions for the game weren't great but

438
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 3: they were doable. But no, it was fun, had a

439
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 3: good time. I'm excited for the one next year. I

440
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 3: hope the Obviously it ended in a very very bad way.

441
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 3: The Martins got literally walked off, as like they were

442
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: winning six to one and they got walked off. But yeah, no,

443
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 3: overall good stuff. I enjoyed it, but you know, I'm

444
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,479
Speaker 3: excited for the next one.

445
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 4: Already.

446
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 3: Disappointing that Kevin Frank did not pitch. That was very disappointing.

447
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 3: I was very disappointed about that. But I know he

448
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 3: had pitched the day before, so we knew he wasn't

449
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 3: gonna pitch. But that did suck that we weren't able

450
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: to see him because I was very much looking forward

451
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 3: to watching him.

452
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 4: My only insights from my seat is that I could

453
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 4: see that all the big name prospects that didn't participate

454
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 4: were still right in the Marlins dugout. Thomas White was there,

455
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 4: I have an Arquette was there, Frank was there, some

456
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 4: of the other guys that were, yeah, either not participating

457
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 4: because of injury or because of their throwing schedule. I'm

458
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 4: pretty sure I saw Robbie Snelling. Because it wasn't only

459
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 4: for the game itself. There was this signing session afterwards.

460
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 4: Right after the game. They had all these prospects go

461
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 4: to these tables to sign for people in attendance they do.

462
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 4: I do agree that they got to switch something up

463
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 4: just because of the for whatever reason, Like there are

464
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 4: there's not the big turnout that I thought there would

465
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 4: be when the spring breakout idea was first announced. I

466
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 4: was at the first one two years ago and I

467
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 4: was at this one now and the crowd is like

468
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 4: even compared to spring training standards, it is totally it's bad.

469
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: It was bad. It was the worst crowd attendants of

470
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 3: the three. That first one had really good attendance, the

471
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 3: scond one because it was a Cardinal's home game. The

472
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 3: second one was good, it was fine. This one was

473
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 3: the worst of the three attended and that obviously it

474
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: was raining and temperature wasn't ideal. It was cold. I

475
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: know that isn't an issue for you elive, but for

476
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 3: us floor Adians that is not great. But yes, the

477
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 3: conditions were great. But I do agree there there needs

478
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: to be something to incentivized fans to come out and

479
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 3: watch these prospects. But yeah, I agree with that, I

480
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 3: totally do.

481
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what I noticed watching the game on TV,

482
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: just the camera behind you know home plan.

483
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 5: I'm like, where is everybody?

484
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: I think I saw Eli, and I saw arm Laighton

485
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: was there if I'm not mistaken behind home plate. But

486
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: I was like before spring training even started, this is

487
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: the game that I can't wait for, just from a

488
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: pure prospect standpoint, get to see these guys play almost

489
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: in an All Star game type feel, just everybody from

490
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: all different levels. So if you're a fan, like get

491
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 2: out there to the ballpark. I think it's enjoyable. If

492
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: you're a die hard fan of a team, this is

493
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: the future.

494
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 4: I bought a ticket to sit in what they call

495
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 4: the lawn, which is like beyond the left field and

496
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 4: right field walls. That was the cheapest ticket I could get,

497
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 4: and I was thinking like when I got that ticket,

498
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 4: how easy is it going to be for me to

499
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 4: actually get a real seat? And it could not have

500
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 4: been any easier, Like there were just no takers among

501
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 4: the actual premium seating, which I guess would have cost

502
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 4: twice as much if I actually paid for it. But

503
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 4: all I did is I just mosied on down to

504
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 4: the very front during batting practice and I just stayed there. Nobody,

505
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 4: I mean there was there's just no reason to move

506
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: whatsoever because there was nobody keeping me company.

507
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 5: The only people trying.

508
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 4: To angle for the same kind of seats were media.

509
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 5: As you mentioned.

510
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 4: You mentioned our buddy arm Laden from Just Baseball. I

511
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 4: saw JJ Cooper from Baseball America, so he was there

512
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 4: with a credential as well. Like it's he gave me

513
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 4: when I first saw him and introduced myself, like he

514
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 4: made the same comment. He's like, I thought it was

515
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 4: going to be more difficult for me to get the

516
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 4: angle that I wanted of these prospects because he thought

517
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 4: there might be something I actually wanted to sit there.

518
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 4: So yeah, I haven't totally figured it out. They are

519
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: trying something new as soon as next year when it

520
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 4: comes to this tournament where they're going to make it

521
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 4: several games, and logistically I'm not exactly sure how that's

522
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: going to play out. That seems kind of complicated in theory.

523
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 4: But something it's something different, and I think it's something

524
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 4: anything would be an improvement in terms of resonating with fans,

525
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 4: making them realize that this is an unusual situation. This

526
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 4: is something that's bigger than any traditional minor league All

527
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 4: Star game because it's the best players across all these

528
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 4: different levels. For the Marlins, it was guys that were

529
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 4: playing in Low A last year. It's guys that were

530
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: playing in Triple A and dominating last year, all on

531
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 4: the same team. It's the same from the Astros perspective, Yeah,

532
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 4: I would hope that more people would take advantage of

533
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 4: it because this game I just cannot get over how

534
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 4: ugly some of these pitching lines are. This was an

535
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 4: ugly game, but I don't I still think was worth

536
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 4: it was worth the price of admission for me, at least,

537
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 4: I thought it was still very compelling and that there

538
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 4: were some There were plenty of moments that reminded you

539
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 4: how talented these guys are, just the fact that they

540
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 4: couldn't throw strikes. I think we should mention that Jeff

541
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 4: Conine was managing here, something that he I think he

542
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: told you afterwards, Kevin, that he only got the he

543
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 4: only got the what's the word, I'm looking for the

544
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 4: assignments to do that. About a week and a half

545
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 4: in advance, ten days in advance is when he found

546
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 4: out he'd be managing it, and he said that he

547
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 4: was just hoping that he'd have a lot of help to.

548
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 5: Get through it.

549
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 4: Given his he's the guy that has plenty of experience

550
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 4: with this organization, but not in a managerial capacity, so

551
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 4: then it was it was cool to see him in

552
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 4: that position as well, given that all the time that

553
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 4: he's been around with this group. I guess the only

554
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 4: thing that stood out to me is that one of

555
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 4: the listed pitchers was supposed to be Noble Meyer and

556
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 4: he didn't appear in this game. And he is a

557
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: player in particular that it has a lot riding on

558
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 4: this year, given that he's somebody that has certainly underperformed

559
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 4: what was expected of a number ten overall pick from

560
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: this organization, So it didn't get to see him in

561
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 4: this even though he was presumably healthy.

562
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 5: But yeah, mill.

563
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 4: Brandt, for the most part, this was a really encouraging

564
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 4: outing from him because he had a he had a

565
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 4: career you're in twenty twenty five, and you could see

566
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 4: a lot of the reason why in this performance as well.

567
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 4: But at the very least, he's a guy that is

568
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 4: going to be able to miss a lot of bats

569
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 4: at the highest level in the relatively near future. From

570
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 4: David Olson. Four errors and it should have been more. Yeah,

571
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 4: I think all four were in the first like three

572
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: or four innings too.

573
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 5: That was what was wild.

574
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 4: They were It was like three from the guys on

575
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: the left side of the infield, and then one from

576
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 4: the center fielder made a great catch and then on

577
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 4: his throat.

578
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 5: It kind of got away.

579
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was from the very beginning. It was

580
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 4: kind of sloppy, even before the backups came into the

581
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 4: game in like the fifth sixth ending of this one.

582
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: But from here, anything else that we want to touch

583
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 4: on here, we could just move on to some roster

584
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: discussion now that we're eight days away from opening day.

585
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 4: There this is an overview of the forty man roster

586
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: as it currently stands, and I've marked everybody that was

587
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 4: either sent down to Triple A already, people that were

588
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: already hurt, and that leaves us with twenty nine guys

589
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 4: for twenty six spots. It's fifteen pitchers for us presumed

590
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 4: to be thirteen pitching spots, and fourteen hitters for thirteen

591
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 4: hitting spots. Right here, I think, yeah, the more engaging

592
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 4: part of this, Kevin is probably on the hitter side,

593
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 4: because we don't know exactly which way this is going

594
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 4: to go with who is the odd man out of

595
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 4: this situation.

596
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 5: We've talked quite a bit about history.

597
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 4: Ruiz not hitting very much at all this spring and

598
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 4: having minor league options. But I don't know we're hearing

599
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: that there's a chance that he makes it anyway, just

600
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 4: because of the unique skill set that he has. If

601
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: he makes it, who does that leave on the outside

602
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: looking at.

603
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at sur Luiz right now this spring is

604
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: four for thirty with a four fifty eight ops. The

605
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: slash line doesn't really matter here. He's gone on base

606
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: whatever you know, fave stolen bases he has, he has

607
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: six walks, and then the automan out here would be

608
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: Griffin Knan. As much as I hate to say it,

609
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: he's gonna end up being somehow the auto man out,

610
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 3: and that's wrong. That should not be the case. Struy

611
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: Ruiz as a minor league option, use the option, send

612
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: them the triple A and he's the first man up

613
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: if there's an injury. I really don't understand why they

614
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: aren't doing that. That should be what happens here. But

615
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: they're gonna I feel like the what they're gonna say

616
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: is that Griffin needs more time at first base to

617
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: learn the position, and that's why he's going to triple A.

618
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: But even then that's not gonna work. Because Davidson delas

619
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: Aantos is there and he needs to play first base.

620
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: So I don't get it. I this is not gonna

621
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: end up being what fans want, Sir. I really do

622
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: believe it's gonna make this opening their roster. He's gonna

623
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 3: be a right off the bench, which is what they need.

624
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: He's gonna platoon with someone out there when there's a lefty,

625
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: which we're gonna see on day one. So uh yeah, no,

626
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: this isn't This shouldn't be the move. It really sucks

627
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: for Griff because I think Griff is having a good spring,

628
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: if the memory serves me correct. Yeah, I mean he's

629
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: he's hitting, he has a Yeah, he's been fine. He's

630
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: been okay. He hasn't been great. It's been just a

631
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: little bit better than Ruiz, but better. And he has

632
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: more power. He's a better power option off the bench

633
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: for you. He could play first base. Like if they're

634
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: assuming that Liam Hicks is the backup first baseman, I

635
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: mean they're they're they're in trouble, and he hasn't played

636
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: a lot of first this spring either, right, So I

637
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: mean they also have Norby who they're playing there, and

638
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: apparently he's good from what I've heard, But again I

639
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. I think Griff gives you

640
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: an option as an outfielder, gives you the option of

641
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: playing some first. He could fill in that DH roll.

642
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: But it really looks at Griffin Khan is the auto

643
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: man out here unless there's a last minute injury and

644
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, they all make it. But that

645
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: doesn't seem to be the case. And it really sucks

646
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: because Griff is a good guy. He has nothing to

647
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: prove in Triple A and the ster Ruiz. Unfortunately, I

648
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: don't even think he's that good of a defender. I mean,

649
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: the numbers show that within the last couple of years

650
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: he could play all three spots. He's a fast guy.

651
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: But don't you have that with Sonoha, I mean and Ander,

652
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: since Snoha hasn't stolen a lot of bases at the

653
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: big league level. But maybe that's a change that he

654
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: should make and that should help him. And and yeah,

655
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: it's just frustrating to see that that. You know, I

656
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: understand they traded for this player and he's probably the

657
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: one that's gonna end up making it, but I don't

658
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: think that's the right choice. And they're gonna They're gonna

659
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: die on this hill. If the ster Ruiz is the guy,

660
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: so it sucks, that's the case. I don't think he

661
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: should make it. But again we said this about Kyle Stowers,

662
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 3: who knows, so you get Proove's wrong. I don't think

663
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: that's the same This is the same case. But Gryffin

664
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: Conan should be in that opening their roster over over ruleis.

665
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 3: But obviously the Harold reported else some something different. We

666
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: have heard different things, and it looks like a Stu

667
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: Ruis is gonna make the opening their aster and Griffin

668
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: conan is is somehow going to go back to Jacksonville.

669
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels strange. I gotta agree with Kevin here

670
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: because Ruiz's ceiling is just so limited. I mean, what

671
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: he provides to the Marlins, it really comes down to

672
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: being a pinch runner. I want to say that Derek

673
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: Hill type, but Derek Hill was actually a very good defender,

674
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: and Ruiz can play center field, but he's not a

675
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: great defender out there. So you're essentially taking a roster

676
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: spot and giving it to Ruiz just because of his

677
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: speed and he's a right handed bat. Because right now,

678
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: the projected starting lineup in the outfield at least would

679
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: all be lefties. Now, if you want a rioty there

680
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: you have Roberto Hernandez. And if there's ever a question

681
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: where Alberto Hernandez does he make this roster? Yes, he's

682
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: making this roster. I saw that come up. I don't

683
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: think that's even a question. I think Erberto Hernandez is

684
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: not just a serviceable backup. He could force his way

685
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: into the starting lineup consistently, but at some point this year.

686
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: I really do believe in his bat, his power. He

687
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: showed it in a slightly limited sample size last year,

688
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: but he was a bright find and his ceiling's higher

689
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: than Ruiz. I think Griffin Conine his ceiling is clearly

690
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: higher than sd Uri Ruiz because of what he brings

691
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: with the bat, and I like Conine's defense. He's a

692
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: good defender in the outfield. Now will that translate to

693
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: first base? Who knows? He's never played the position apart

694
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: from getting work in this offseason and during his spring

695
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: training in camp. It really comes down to when I'm

696
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 2: looking at this roster, like what do the Marlins prioritize?

697
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: Are they prioritizing bats or are they prioritizing defense or

698
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: speed with Ruiz, just feels like they looked at the

699
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: roster and said, besides Jacob Marci, we don't have a

700
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: true speedster. I mean, Xavier Edwards steals a lot of bases,

701
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: but his you know, his home the first time isn't elite.

702
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: Ruiz comes in as a pinch runner in the eighth

703
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: or ninth inning. He just feels like a little bit

704
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: of a waste of a roster spot to me.

705
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, this for people that are wondering. This excerpt is

706
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 4: from Barry Jackson to the Miami Heralds where he at

707
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 4: least brought it into question whether Hernandez is gonna make it.

708
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 4: But to us, it's kind of been obvious all along

709
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: that he has this clear niche with this team that

710
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 4: should be similar moving forward to what it was last year.

711
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 4: Where especially given the fact that all these other high

712
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 4: priority outfielders are all left handed hitters. Even Kyle Stowers

713
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: is not somebody that exclusively starts every single day. He's

714
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: gonna sit against her and lefties, and Roberto showed last

715
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: year that he can put together quality at bats against

716
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: both handedness sorts of pitchers. Initially, he's i think he's

717
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: gonna be in a pretty strict platoon that most of

718
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 4: those starts and a lot of pin hitting appearances are

719
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 4: going to come against lefty pitching. But he'll maybe as

720
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 4: the season progresses if he somehow replicates his performance last year,

721
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 4: and I don't know, I think it's a little unlikely.

722
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 4: I would guess that he comes down to earth a

723
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 4: little bit overall, just because of how unusual it is

724
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 4: for a guy to perform better in the majors than

725
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 4: he did in Triple A. I mean, when he was

726
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 4: called up in the first place, we were all caught

727
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: by some surprise because he wasn't doing particularly well in Jacksonville,

728
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 4: especially when not just overall numbers but also the strikeout

729
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 4: right down there was surprisingly high. So he's, yes, still

730
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 4: an unproven guy. Like it wouldn't be shocked one way

731
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: or the other if we get to the middle of

732
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 4: the year and air Burtil gets sent down. I wouldn't

733
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 4: be surprised if he somehow there's I think there's pretty

734
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 4: wide error bars with him just because of how short

735
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: his track record is overall. But when it comes to

736
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 4: opening day, that's not really been in much of a question,

737
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: Like initially, he just makes a whole lot of sense

738
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: as a complimentary piece, and with Ruiz, like even though

739
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 4: he brings some handedness balance to the lineup, it's not

740
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: really bringing any balance if he can't hit, and he

741
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 4: doesn't have a track record of hitting in the majors

742
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 4: as well as he did in Triple A last year.

743
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 4: I take those personally just with a grain of salt,

744
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 4: because this is a guy that had been playing at.

745
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 5: Triple A like four years earlier. When you're repeating.

746
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 4: Level that many times, have the numbers ceased to really

747
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 4: add any relevancy because of the experience down there. As

748
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 4: we're bringing Alex Carver here from fof Prospects and we've

749
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 4: already covered spring breakout Carver, so we're just talking about

750
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 4: some of these final roster decisions. You know, what is

751
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: your particular feeling when it comes to figuring out this

752
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 4: position player group with Ruiz and all of a sudden,

753
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 4: somebody like Griffin Conine, somebody that we presumed would have

754
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 4: a place on this roster, especially when he was gonna

755
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 4: add some versatility learning first das and all of a sudden,

756
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 4: well I shouldn't say all of a sudden, but as

757
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: we get down to the wire here, it's still not

758
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 4: clear exactly how they're going to iron this out, given

759
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 4: that all these guys are healthy, So it seems like

760
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 4: they're going to send down some useful player at the

761
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 4: end of this, and Conine is somebody that might be

762
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: in that conversation.

763
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, it sucks for him because he's had an awesome spring.

764
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: He's like really good.

765
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 6: But he's a lefty and this is a very lefty

766
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 6: heavy team.

767
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: And they traded for es three Wreaths.

768
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 6: I mean that as a huge factor in this is

769
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 6: the fact that they had to trade for the guy

770
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 6: and give up what I thought was a decent prospect

771
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 6: in Adriana Romero Marrero excuse me to get him. So yeah,

772
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 6: they want to give a leash to somebody that they've

773
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 6: traded for or spent money on.

774
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: So I think that's very like. That and his speed

775
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: are very likely.

776
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 6: The only two reasons, and the fact that he can

777
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 6: play multiple visions are the facts that he's still even

778
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 6: in the question Whereas I agree with you that he

779
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 6: should be in Triple A to start as depth and

780
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 6: Conine should be here. But I think that that's the

781
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 6: tipping point, is that they gave up capital of some

782
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 6: kind to get him, So yeah, I I that's the

783
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 6: business side of things. Conine has done everything that he's

784
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 6: needed to do to be here.

785
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: Hernandez is here.

786
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 6: I don't think there's a question that he's not going

787
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 6: to be here with what he did last year and

788
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 6: what what his spring has been like, which has been good.

789
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 6: So yeah, the left handedness, the fact that they gave

790
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 6: up something for Ruiz and Conin's a bit positionally limited

791
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 6: and he's a lefty, So yeah, it sucks for him

792
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 6: because I think he definitely should be here, but like

793
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 6: I said, it's a business out of baseball coming into play.

794
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 4: One other, one final wrinkle that we'll see how it

795
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 4: plays out this weekend is the fact that Graham Pauli

796
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 4: still has been exclusively a DH in spring training. Like

797
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: we presume that he's going to be fined for a

798
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: third base, but it has at least raised my eyebrow

799
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 4: at this point that he's been cleared to hit for

800
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 4: like two weeks now and still has not thrown in

801
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 4: the game itself at third base. So I think that's

802
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 4: just one wrinkle to follow this weekend just in case,

803
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: like I think he has to get in a game

804
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 4: at third base in order for them to feel like

805
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: he's fully ready to go.

806
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 5: But that when we're.

807
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 4: Talking about, like how can they top out of this decision,

808
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 4: it might be something like that where Polly spends the

809
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 4: first week of the season on the il and then

810
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 4: the go from there if he's for whatever reason, still

811
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 4: not feeling totally comfortable being a full blown position player

812
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: at this stage. It's just something that's been on my

813
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 4: mind that we'll see how it plays out, but I

814
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: think the expectation is that he'll be he'll be ready,

815
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 4: and they'll they'll actually have to make a decision on

816
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 4: this front. But ultimately I think it's a decent problem

817
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 4: to have. They didn't have this problem last year because

818
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 4: last year at the very last week, it was Hayesus

819
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 4: Sanchez hurting his oblique, it was Connor Norby hurting his

820
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 4: oblique as well, and that'll that let them in a

821
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 4: pretty bad position. So all things considered, I prefer this

822
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 4: then the alternative when it comes to that.

823
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: The latest up there with Paully is that he will

824
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 3: hopefully play the field at the end of this week,

825
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: so to this is what Thursday. So at some point

826
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: this weekend, we should be able to see him play.

827
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: I'm assuming tomorrow one of those split squad games will

828
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: be there playing third. I mean, he gets the chance

829
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: to do it, may as well take this weekend. And

830
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: if he does that, and I think he didn't play

831
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 3: the like a minor league backfield game as well third base,

832
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: I mean obviously less of a different environment. But yeah,

833
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: I mean I'm assuming if he plays third this weekend

834
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: and then he goes to the workouts at lone Depot

835
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: the next couple of days and plays in those intersquad games,

836
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: and they even have those I figure looking at him

837
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 3: on the opening day roster. I just think it again

838
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 3: comes down to this is gonna come down to do

839
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: you want gryffin Conan or do you want is Si Ruiz.

840
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: And as Carver said, unfortunately the trade definitely, trading for

841
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 3: a player signifies how much you believe in that player,

842
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: especially a guy who was d fade and a guy

843
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 3: who you traded a prospect for, like a like a

844
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: high international signing prospect. This guy got a lot of

845
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: money in the international uh signing class, not this, not

846
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: this last one, the one before that, so they clearly

847
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: like they like this guy. Ruiz, So he's gonna make it,

848
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: I think, And unfortunately, I really don't know they're gonna

849
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: do with Griffin Jacksonville like he's he's gonna waste it's

850
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: wasting time in Jacksonvillet this point until an injury pops up.

851
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: As unfortunately as that sounds, but I guess that's a

852
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: good decision to have, as you were saying. I think

853
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: it is, and it shows the depth of the team,

854
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: regardless if you agree with Rui's making the roster or not.

855
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,840
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Speaker 3: And we are back on fishaw First Live. Uh and

877
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Speaker 3: here's the I R. We're good. We're good. I thought

878
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 3: that's an emergency host.

879
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 5: I thought I'd time that up perfectly.

880
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: But oh well, that's okay on the pitching side. So

881
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 4: this is something where I don't totally agree with Barry

882
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 4: about there really being any sort of controversy here between

883
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: Jansen Junk and Braxton Garrett. For the final rotation spot.

884
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 4: We know that Sandy is going to be in there.

885
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 4: We know that Yuri Peaz is going to be in there.

886
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 4: We know that Max Meyer having great spring training, he's

887
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: going to be in there. And we know that Chris

888
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 4: Paddock also having a great spring training. He's going to

889
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: be in there, and Braxt has had a very limited

890
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 4: spring training, not really through any fault of his own,

891
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: but because the start he was supposed to make yesterday

892
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 4: got rained out. I think one of his other starts

893
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 4: was also on the backfield, So we just haven't seen

894
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: much of him, and what we have seen has been

895
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 4: all right, whereas v Low is up a little bit,

896
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: but in terms of the other aspects of his game,

897
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 4: you could see some rust going on there. And with Joan,

898
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 4: he was held back a little bit by a minor

899
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 4: minor ankle injury at the start of camp, and he's

900
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 4: now built up to three innings, but he hasn't pit.

901
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 4: He's been inconsistent, where his very first ending of the

902
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 4: spring looked good, and then ever since then, I think

903
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 4: you see some of the yellow flags that I saw

904
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 4: last season, where he has awesome commands, but his stuff

905
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 4: is not particularly He doesn't have a single individual pitch

906
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 4: that I would consider a plus pitch in terms of

907
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 4: actually missing bats, so he ends up allowing a lot

908
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: of hard contact. And last season what worked well for

909
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 4: him and what was kind of encouraging, is that he

910
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 4: didn't allow home runs, but he still allowed a lot

911
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 4: of hard contact in between that added up to runs

912
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 4: in a way that makes him kind of difficult to

913
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 4: trust moving forward. So between all that, the fact that

914
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 4: Junk is also has some experience in a relief role

915
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 4: in Brax and Garrett doesn't that kind of points to me.

916
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 4: To me, it's kind of been trending in a pretty

917
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 4: clear direction for several weeks now, where Brax is going

918
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: to make the rotation and Junk is going to be

919
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 4: a long man out of the bullpen.

920
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 5: Initially, It's just that.

921
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 4: We don't have something that Barry reports. There's not total

922
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 4: clarity on at this moment, and I guess it could

923
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 4: go either way. From your vantage point, Jeremiah, is there,

924
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 4: what do you think would make the most sense in

925
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 4: terms of how to utilize these guys at the start

926
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 4: of the season. Yeah, at this point, I think, like

927
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 4: you said, Brax and Garrett should be in the rotation.

928
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 4: I really haven't questioned him coming back to be a

929
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,959
Speaker 4: huge liability in the rotation yet. I mean, we're gonna

930
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: see what happens at the start of the season. But

931
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 4: he's looked okay in spring training. He hasn't pitched since

932
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. Again, not really in a reliever role.

933
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: I think Garrett should be the four or five, Jansen

934
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 2: Junk the long man. They don't have a true longman

935
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: out of the pen besides Tyler Phillips. I guess you

936
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 2: could consider that middle reliever, but I think Phillips is

937
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: better suited for the late innings based off what he

938
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: did last year. Yeah, the rotation to me is pretty set.

939
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: I think the signing of Chris Paddock really threw a

940
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: wrench into that. I know they had to get depth

941
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: when they traded away Cabrera and Weathers, but Paddock, when

942
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: you're giving four million dollars to he's pretty much guaranteed

943
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: a rotation spot. So that gives somebody like Jansen Junk,

944
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,959
Speaker 2: who had a good season last year, where Braxon Garrett,

945
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: who is the Marlins most consistent and best pitcher during

946
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: that playoff run in twenty twenty three. I know we're

947
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: a few years removed from that now. They're kind of

948
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: shifted to the back burner now and Chris Paddock. No

949
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: one's questioning that. No one's questioning Max Meyer's rotation spot.

950
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: I know we've discussed that plenty. I'm not gonna go

951
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: down that Avenue again. But yeah, I think the rotations

952
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: pretty much said. I would be very surprised if Garrett

953
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: isn't in the opening day rotation at this point, and.

954
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: We could see something similar to what we saw last

955
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 3: year with Cal, where Cal started the game and after

956
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: maybe going on once or twice through the order, they

957
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: would have Janson Junk come in in relief. And I

958
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: think the numbers speak for themselves. Janson Junk was a

959
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: much better reliever than a starter last season. I think

960
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 3: he had like a two something as a reliever, and

961
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: as a starter was close to five. You know. Not

962
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: his fall, I think the fifth was very low and

963
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: the era was a lot higher. He was a little

964
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: bit unlucky. But I still think you see junk in

965
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: the bullpen and it needs to be noted, Like I

966
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: think Barry noted this pretty clearly, and it's been noted

967
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: throughout all spring. Some junk needs to make the opening

968
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: day roster in some sort of capacity. They're not going

969
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 3: to defay this guy, they can't. He has no options.

970
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 3: That's the only way he doesn't make the roster. If

971
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 3: you dfa him, he's gone. So that he needs to

972
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: make the roster. I think Brax is the perfect fifth

973
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: starter because it's looking like Chris Paddock, maybe the number

974
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: three in the rotation, maybe number four, but I think

975
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: he slides into that number three, Max is four, Garrett

976
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: as the number five with Jansen jonk as like your

977
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 3: five B where he comes in for Garrett. So it's

978
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 3: a fine rotation. Uh, you got to see what you

979
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: got there. And now it kind of comes down to

980
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: that bullpen spot where it's between Nardi and Kate Gibson.

981
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 3: Both we've had pretty good springs so far, but I

982
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: think Nardi's gonna end up going to a triple A.

983
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 3: He has an option they should use it, or you

984
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: could start him on the IL and have him do

985
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: a rehab assignment fairly quickly after that and then make

986
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 3: your choice of you know, whatever it may be who

987
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 3: was used. But but Nardi has looked good in spring.

988
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,959
Speaker 3: He has, He's looked good every step of the way through.

989
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: It's just a matter of building back up. But they've

990
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: used him quite a bit too, So I don't know,

991
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 3: it's gonna be an interesting situation there with a bullpen

992
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: two guys who've had good springs. It's just a matter

993
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: of you know, you already have a lefty locked in

994
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 3: with John King and I need your second lefty. And

995
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 3: and it's a situation we haven't had in a while

996
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 3: where you're discussing a second lefty in a bullpen with

997
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: the Marrows when they barely even used one to begin with.

998
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 3: So good situation to have. Uh, And it's that's that's

999
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 3: what they like. I called it a relatively boring camp.

1000
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 3: But now is when you start thinking of these decisions,

1001
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 3: you know, and that's when camp becomes enticing to tune into.

1002
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: Because with so many names, I mean, you always have

1003
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 3: that one minor league that pops up, which was Jack Ralston.

1004
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 3: I think it'll be up at some point, but no, yeah,

1005
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: I think it was. Uh, it's gonna be I think

1006
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: it already goes down at Triple A for a bit

1007
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: or I L whatever you want to call it, and

1008
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 3: it'll be mister mister kid Gibson make the bullpen along

1009
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 3: with John King as the two lefties.

1010
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 6: Just to reiterate Kevin's point right there, the third time

1011
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 6: through the order last year for Jansen junk as good

1012
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 6: as the season was.

1013
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: Third time through the order last year he gave him

1014
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: an eight to fifty oh ps. So yeah, I wouldn't

1015
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: be the.

1016
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 6: Worst thing in the world for him to fill the

1017
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 6: same role that he did last year like spot Star,

1018
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 6: and then be the long guy out of the bullpen.

1019
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's a guy that just hammers the strikes on.

1020
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 6: It doesn't walk anyone. But you know, third time through

1021
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 6: the order, guys are going to catch up to you and.

1022
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: Wait you out.

1023
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's a It's a not a flashy arm,

1024
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 6: but it's one that you'll need to get out and

1025
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 6: lanes in the bullpen. So I like Junk in the bullpen.

1026
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 6: I don't I agree with you, Eli. I don't think

1027
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 6: that there was really much.

1028
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: Of a question here in terms of roster battle between

1029
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: Garrett and him.

1030
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 6: I think it's Garrett because Junk literally literally filled the

1031
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 6: same role he'll likely be asked to fill this year

1032
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 6: very well last year, and when he did get those

1033
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 6: those chances to face guys third time through, it didn't

1034
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 6: turn out very well. So you're gonna play to his

1035
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 6: strengths by keeping him a bit more limited while still

1036
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 6: being able to eat well potentiallymultiple nings at a time.

1037
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 6: So he's gonna be fine. The rotations going to be decent.

1038
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 6: The Marlins have picture more starting pitching on the way.

1039
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 6: You know, I again, as we talked about it a couple.

1040
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: Of shows ago, what the long term future holds for Braxton?

1041
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: But I guess that's another conversation.

1042
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 6: So I guess as we get closer to the deadline,

1043
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 6: the Morlands can explore, especially if Braxton is doing well

1044
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 6: with pitching coming, what what the future.

1045
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: Holds for him.

1046
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 6: So making him a starter and keeping that that, you know,

1047
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 6: that value on him as a starter, not a reliever

1048
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 6: if you're going to shop him, which I think they

1049
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 6: would be smart to do. Uh, if he's doing well,

1050
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 6: is obviously going to be advantageous for the Marlins on

1051
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 6: the business side.

1052
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, Braxton's a starter.

1053
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 4: In the chat, PJ brought up a couple of questions

1054
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 4: related to snelling year, which I think we need to acknowledge,

1055
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 4: like in some like let's excuse of not having Snelling

1056
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 4: in the mix?

1057
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 5: Who's been in it?

1058
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 4: Was in Big League camp for most of the spring

1059
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 4: until getting reassigned just a few days ago. I mean previously.

1060
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 4: The reason why he was on the outside looking in

1061
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 4: is because there's no obvious corresponding move to get him

1062
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 4: on the forty menter roster. But now Adam Mazer he's

1063
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 4: done for the year after undergoing Tommy John So all

1064
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 4: of a sudden, that opening is right there. And if

1065
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 4: you want to be just really cut and dry about it,

1066
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 4: is Robby Smelling a better picture right now than Brax

1067
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 4: and Garrett is probably he did everything. He showed everything

1068
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 4: he possibly could last year in the upper miners. Certainly

1069
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 4: the upside in terms of swing and misses there, and

1070
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 4: the command is really right on par with Brax. I

1071
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 4: mean that's something that that's what made Brax an above

1072
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 4: average starter back in twenty twenty three is that his

1073
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 4: ability to locate really precisely, never walk guys, get himself

1074
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 4: into all these advantageous counts, and Snelling is cut through

1075
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 4: that exact same cloth, except.

1076
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 5: The v low is better.

1077
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,959
Speaker 4: There are multiple breaking bawls that he can get guys

1078
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 4: out with. It is not just this curve ball that

1079
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 4: he's had forever, but even last year he add this

1080
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 4: gyro slider on top of that that it's thrown even harder.

1081
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 5: There's for a team.

1082
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 4: If the team was dead said on just trying to

1083
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 4: win games as straightforward as they could from the start

1084
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 4: of the season, then I think you would see Snelling

1085
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 4: started the rotation. Braxcellent Garrett, believe it or not, has

1086
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 4: minor league options left. I guess just one more at

1087
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 4: this point, but that's something they could do, as with

1088
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 4: most of these other players on their roster. That is

1089
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 4: the flexibility that they have if they feel that this

1090
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 4: guy who's eight years seven years, six years, six years

1091
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 4: younger a lot younger, even if he's younger, even if

1092
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 4: he's less experienced, if he looks at the better picture

1093
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 4: right now, you just go with the better guy. It's

1094
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 4: just with the Marlins, it's never going to be quite

1095
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 4: that simple. There's always going to be that balance between

1096
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 4: the president future and with Brax as he gets deep

1097
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 4: into his club control, they want to look at this

1098
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 4: as either an opportunity for him to build back some

1099
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 4: value and potentially be traded to clear the way more

1100
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 4: cleanly for Snelling, but not going to make that decision

1101
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 4: until they absolutely have to.

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00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said it exactly right.

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00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 6: They want to add more value to him, especially after

1104
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 6: the injury and things that happened before and missing the season.

1105
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 6: They want to try to add value before they clear

1106
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 6: him out for Snelling. Thomas White, other guys that are

1107
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 6: down there that are you going to be in the

1108
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 6: rotation in the future. So it's the balancing game. You

1109
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 6: said it correctly again between the president and the future.

1110
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 6: Snelling is going to be the present sometime this year,

1111
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 6: but in the short term and the long term future,

1112
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 6: I think Snelling will be as long as he keeps

1113
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 6: what he's always done going.

1114
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: And then Braxton, if you can.

1115
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 6: Add that value back to him and get something back,

1116
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 6: that's going to be to be really good for the

1117
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 6: future as well. So that's exactly where they're at. Yeah,

1118
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 6: I know a lot of people want to see Snelling.

1119
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 6: I want to see him too, But there's also a

1120
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 6: business side.

1121
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: We started.

1122
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 6: I started my portion of being on here talking about

1123
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 6: the business side, and this is playing into the business

1124
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 6: side as well. So yeah, it's it's all part of it.

1125
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 6: So don't be frustrated about Snelling. He's gonna be here.

1126
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 6: Hopefully he will be very good. I think he will be.

1127
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: Thomas will be here.

1128
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 6: You'll see those guys like very likely sometime this season.

1129
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 6: But there's there's a plan and a method for all

1130
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 6: of this. Just the last quality lie you talked about

1131
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 6: gyro Slider. I mean, we know that the Marlins have

1132
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 6: been good at adding at adding sweeper to a lot

1133
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 6: of pitchers arsenals, right. I think they're getting good at

1134
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 6: this too, because we saw it today from from Carson

1135
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 6: mill Brandt, who literally started throwing that pitch in the

1136
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 6: Arizona Fall League pretty much.

1137
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: And look at what that pitch is doing.

1138
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 6: It's sick like that pitch is ridiculous for him, For

1139
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 6: that to completely change his game is incredible. To learn

1140
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 6: that pitch that quickly, it's awesome. He already told me

1141
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 6: that it was his favorite. It's already his favorite pitch.

1142
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 6: You heard it in that interview, like supreme confidence in it.

1143
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 6: And then he elevates fastball on top of that, just

1144
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 6: completely turned him from probably like a late inning starter

1145
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 6: or late sorry, late rotation starter to now a mid

1146
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 6: rotation starter. I think he can be now with that

1147
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 6: pitch and working on other things as well. And then

1148
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 6: added it to Snelling, just give him another weapon like

1149
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 6: Malin's fishing development. It's always been good good, it's even

1150
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 6: better now. That's something that's never gone away from this organization.

1151
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 6: So they were very good at developing pitching.

1152
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: We Carver, I have a question for you when Snelling

1153
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: inevitably comes up and I assume it's going to be

1154
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: towards the earlier start of the year. You know, I

1155
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 2: don't think we're gonna be waiting till August for him

1156
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: to make his debut. Is it set in stone in

1157
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: your mind that Garrett's the odd man out? Because what

1158
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 2: if Garrett pitches well? You know what if it's Max

1159
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: Meyer or Chris Paddock. What if Paddock is struggling and

1160
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: he's got a eer A over six and we're in

1161
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: mid May. You know that's a possibility, Paddick.

1162
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 3: I'll answer, I'll answer that for you. They'll do a

1163
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,479
Speaker 3: fame just like they did with cal just like they've

1164
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: done with TA, just like they've done with every free agency,

1165
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 3: And they'll do the same thing. And they'll do the

1166
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 3: same thing with Christopher Morale off he sucks. So I

1167
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 3: think that's what they'll do. If if Max isn't playing

1168
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: well or pitching well, they could move him to the

1169
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: bullpen and they'll they could just cut their losses with

1170
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 3: the starter. They would call up smelling. So that's what

1171
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 3: I would do, Yeah, exactly. And I think with you,

1172
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 3: I don't think that's gonna happen. And it's too early

1173
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 3: to say that I.

1174
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 6: Think you guys are taking one thing for granted. I

1175
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 6: think you're you're taking one thing for granted. Everybody stays healthy.

1176
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 6: If everybody stays healthy, everybody stays healthy to the deadline,

1177
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 6: then Braxton, yes, I think.

1178
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: Would be the odd man out. But this is baseball.

1179
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 6: Guys get hurt, So I think that Snelling is the

1180
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 6: first guy up when somebody gets hurt, and then you

1181
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 6: go from there.

1182
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: Right, So that's that's what I would how I would

1183
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 1: answer your question.

1184
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think if everyone stays healthy, like and

1185
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 6: is he the clear odd man out of the rotation? Maybe,

1186
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 6: but maybe, like Kevin said, you know, there's a guy

1187
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 6: that doesn't do well, junk doesn't do well the r like,

1188
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 6: there's there's moving parts here that there a lot of hypotheticals,

1189
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 6: but I I think the most likely scenario, even though

1190
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 6: don't like to talk about injury's rotation and just forces

1191
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 6: their hand and doesn't allow them to send them down.

1192
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,439
Speaker 1: That's my answer to your question.

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00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we'll wrap it up here then just

1194
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 4: look him through some other things that people are thinking

1195
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 4: about in the chat. Yeah, a lot of Christopher Morel's

1196
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 4: sentiment that he's just had this really ugly spring. I

1197
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 4: remember he made that great first impression his very first

1198
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 4: game at first base. He played really well there defensively,

1199
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 4: but even since then there have been some cracks in

1200
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 4: there that just make you wonder exactly how long that

1201
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 4: is going to carry over into the season. But especially

1202
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 4: if Conine is the one that's squeezed off entering opening day,

1203
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 4: that just tells you that Morel is going to get

1204
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 4: relatively big workload early on to try to show something,

1205
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 4: especially offensively. They'll live with the bad defense if he

1206
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 4: can get back into the better version of himself offensively

1207
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 4: that he was in the Matrixes a few years ago.

1208
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 4: But yeah, other than that, we got four more spring

1209
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 4: games to go over these next three days, including a

1210
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 4: squid split squad tomorrow, so we'll see how that plays out.

1211
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 4: And for the next stream, I think the next dream

1212
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 4: is going to be our opening day countdown. We'll have

1213
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 4: at least one, if not two episodes of Unfiltered between

1214
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 4: now and then with Kevin and Isaac and aj Ramos.

1215
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 4: But I think the next dream that we do is

1216
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 4: going to be on Friday, the twenty seventh, something that

1217
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 4: I've done now believe now this will be the sixth

1218
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 4: straight year that I've done a stream on Opening Day

1219
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 4: counting down to the first pitch, and we'll do that

1220
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 4: again coming up between coming up, then coming up on

1221
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 4: next Friday, late afternoon into early evening on that day.

1222
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 4: So yeah, very much looking forward to that and hopefully

1223
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 4: things stay Kevin use the word boring. Hopefully they stay

1224
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 4: boring this weekend. Nobody else gets hurt. But as we've

1225
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 4: said in the past couple of years, like Bendix is

1226
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 4: not afraid to make some sort of move during these

1227
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 4: days leading up to Opening Day either.

1228
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,439
Speaker 3: I mean last year, trade a lot on Opening Day eve,

1229
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 3: both of his years here. So we'll see if who

1230
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 3: knows I could see a trade happening, right, I mean

1231
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: they have to. They have depth on the position player side.

1232
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 3: Technically in their eyes, they can make a trade. I

1233
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 3: don't think they will. I don't think it will happen

1234
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 3: this year. But if they say, man, we like Griff

1235
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: and Conine, let's trade and we think he has some value,

1236
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: let's trade him. But I don't think they're gonna do that.

1237
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's one of those crazy ideas

1238
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 3: to throw out there, because we saw with John Birdie

1239
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 3: last year they traded someone else the day before opening

1240
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 3: there they brought someone in the day before opening him. Oh,

1241
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: Tyler Phillips, That's who they brought in. So you know,

1242
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 3: they made their moves on opening day eve. It seems

1243
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 3: to be like Peter's tradition to start the season, and

1244
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: who knows, maybe does it again.

1245
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll just have to wait and see. Always having

1246
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 4: conversations on that end. So from Eli, Jeremiah Geiger, Kevin Barral,

1247
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 4: Alex Carver as well. Thanks for joining us this evening

1248
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 4: and a whole lot of stuff coming up for you

1249
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 4: now that our full attention is on spring training with

1250
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 4: the WBC over and yeah, we'll bring you everything you

1251
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 4: need to know over these next eight days, coming down

1252
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 4: to the start of the real thing once again FLF

1253
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 4: Live on the Fish on First podcast, part of the

1254
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 4: Foul Territory Network presented by Jetski Rentals of South Florida.

1255
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 4: Easy for me to say, so we'll sign off right

1256
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 4: here and we'll talk to you again real soon. Thanks

1257
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 4: again for the support and go Fish