1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: And welcome back George Nori with you. Author Janie King 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 2: has been working with the Tarot cards for more than 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: twenty years. She's the creator of the award winning Life 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: Code Tarot Deck, has written several books as well as 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: done readings for thousands of clients across the world. Her 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: passion is bringing Tarot to life in the real world 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: and making it make sense so people can use it 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: in their quest to create a happy, sustainable, and abundant life. 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: One of her books includes The Life Code Tarot, A Fool, 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 2: a Magician, and The Secret of Life. We'll get into 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: that in the moment. Janis welcome to the program. 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: Well, hello, it's lovely to be here. Thank you for 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: having me. 15 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 2: How did you get involved in Tarot cards? 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 3: Well, I mean I was familiar with cards being read 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 3: for you know, divination. My aunt used to read playing cards, 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: which we can call catamancy, so she read playing cards 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: when we were growing up. So I was sort of 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: familiar with the idea of it. And then I went 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 3: through a big old life meltdown, you know, as a 22 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 3: lot of people do, and I was sort of guided 23 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: to Taro by quite strange means. So yeah, it felt 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: in retrospect a bit orchestrated, as if I was, you know, 25 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: sort of shoved in that direction. But yeah, it was 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 3: after one of those one of those periods where life 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: just falls apart, and that's where I that's where I 28 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: was directed. 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: Jennis, give us a little refresher about the tarot cards. 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: How old are they, how many in the deck, and 31 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 2: how did it start? 32 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there were seventy eight cards in the tarot deck, 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 3: and we can trace the tarot back to the fourteenth century. 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: The early actual tarot cards we find in Italy in 35 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: the fourteenth century. We don't know the exact origin of Taro. 36 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: It's sort of evolved over the centuries. We think it's 37 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: a bit of a mash up between so that we 38 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: don't term them gypsies anymore. But they would call gypsies 39 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: back in the day, primarily because they had come from Egypt, 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 3: and Gypsy was a you know, a sort of shortened 41 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: version of Egyptian. They weren't from Egypt, they were actually 42 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: from India, and they were carrying with them a set 43 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 3: of cards that were the attributes of the god Vishnu, 44 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 3: and with those cards they would connect to you know, 45 00:02:53,800 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: the spiritual, their spiritual deity, and so they carried their 46 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: cards with them and they had kings on them. It 47 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: was a long migration, we're talking hundreds of years, right, 48 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: because they had come through India. They had they had 49 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: kings on those cards, and those cards were called farrow 50 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: because obviously in Egyptian, you know, that's that's about king, 51 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: So this is higher, so it's like higher source. They 52 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: came through Egypt, then through Europe, found themselves in Italy, 53 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: where those cards got mashed up with gambling cards and 54 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: so they just through common usage and they got mashed 55 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: up together. So we have the trumps, which then became 56 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: the deities, the important you know, the archetypes of the day, 57 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 3: if you like, mashed up with the suits and the 58 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: and the and the numbers, and then so they all 59 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: mashed up together. Now they've since separated, so a normal 60 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: depth of playing cards is just the suits and the fall, 61 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: which was the which is the joker. So that's you know, 62 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: they they've they've mashed together and then they've split up again. 63 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 3: So that was their earliest that was where they came from. 64 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: And they've they've evolved over the centuries to literally spread 65 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: all over the world. There is taro in every single 66 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 3: country of the world. We think every country has been 67 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: It's an amazing phenomenon. 68 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: Tell me about the title of your book, The Life 69 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: Code Terror. What does that mean. 70 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the book talks about taro as being a 71 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 3: code and that code is a way of communicating with 72 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 3: the energetic world, which we can read because it talks 73 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 3: about the stories within our life. So we read it 74 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: because it's referring to earth energy, so we've got earth, fire, air, 75 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 3: and fire, and also we also have the fifth element, 76 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: which is spirit. So it connects all those things together. 77 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 3: It gives us archetypes that we recognize. So it's a way. 78 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: It's like a language, and it's called a code because 79 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: anybody can read it, doesn't matter where you're from, doesn't 80 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: matter what a country you're from. It is a universal 81 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 3: code that can be read by anybody anywhere in the world. 82 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: So it's a life code because it's talking about our 83 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: lives and how we create our lives. So it's an 84 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: energetic playbook if you like The Fall of the Magician, 85 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: and so it's the secret of life, right because it's 86 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: a playbook. The Fall of the Magician are the heroes 87 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 3: of our story, and they talk about energy and how 88 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 3: we use energy. And most people are familiar with the 89 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: term manifestation. Now I think it's a fairly you know, 90 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: fairly mainstream concept. We all know what we're talking about. 91 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: And so that the Fall talks about the potential of 92 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 3: all things, the potential of all energy, and the Magician 93 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: is the flip side of the fall where he's taking 94 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 3: that potential and he's turning it into reality. He's making 95 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 3: it real. Here's the master manifesto. So they're archetypes, right, 96 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: So we have the energy of the potential of all things, 97 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: and then we have us making it real while having 98 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: to bear in mind our environment and all of the 99 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 3: things that influence it which make it really down complicated. 100 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: The the subtitle of the book is A Fall, A 101 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: Magician and the Secret of Life. Who's the Fall? 102 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: The Fall in Taro is number zero. So we have 103 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: a couple of sections of the Tarot deck. So we 104 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: have the major rakana. Which are they would be you know, 105 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: as I just explained, they would be the archetypes, they 106 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 3: would be the big guys, So they are the rock 107 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: star cards. In Taro that we're all familiar with. You know, 108 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: we have death, we have the hanged man, we have 109 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: the lovers, and the Fall is the first one. But 110 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 3: he's zero. And the reason that he's numbered zero is 111 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: because he contains everything and nothing all at the same time. 112 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: So potential is everything and nothing all at the same time. 113 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: If something has potential, that potential is not realized yet, 114 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: so nothing is happening, but it still has potential. So 115 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: here's zero. And the Magician, of course is number one 116 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: because he's where it all starts. 117 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: Now, do tarot cards tell us our future? Do they 118 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: tell us our past? Do they tell us that things 119 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: maybe or could be or will be? 120 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know what it's This is a source 121 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: of much discussion. Yes, tarot cards can definitely tell the future. However, 122 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: it's not quite that simple. What tarot cards are actually 123 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: doing is they're reading potential. That's what they're doing. So 124 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: they're able to because this is an energetic communication, right, 125 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: So we're talking to the energetic world here, and what 126 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 3: we're doing when we're reading is we're reading a potential path. Now, 127 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: the reason that that potential path normally plays out is 128 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: because we're very predictable. So most of what we do 129 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: is on autopilot. We know that our subconscious minds basically 130 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: just run the thing, and we kind of just we 131 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 3: just do what we're told by our subconscious So we're 132 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 3: very predictable. So what what the cards are doing is 133 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: they're reading a string of predict predict sort of potential 134 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: and then normally that plays out, and sometimes it doesn't 135 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: because what you can't because what there's a lot of 136 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: factors in play. Most of the time, it does most 137 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: of the time. So it's not one hundred percent written 138 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: in stone, but it's a pretty good indicator right of 139 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: what's likely, what's most likely to happen. So I think 140 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 3: we need to we need to understand that nothing is 141 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 3: one hundred percent absolutely written in stone. We are reading potential, 142 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: We're not reading, you know, one hundred fat but based 143 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: on what the what the predictors are saying at that moment, 144 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 3: that's pretty likely to play out in that way. 145 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: How much of a genesis is based on the person 146 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: who pulls the card. 147 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 3: None of it really, it's not based on anybody pulling 148 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: a card. Anybody can pull the card as long as 149 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 3: the intention of the person who is leading the session 150 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: is focused, so it doesn't matter whether my client pulls 151 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 3: the card or whether I pull the card. In fact, 152 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 3: for probably most of my tarot career, my clients don't 153 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 3: pull cards. 154 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 2: I do. 155 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: If I'm doing a big event and I'm reading for 156 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: you know, thirty or forty people at that event, I'm 157 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: not going to keep giving the cards to everybody because 158 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 3: the cards get mucked up. To be honest with you, 159 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter as long as my 160 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: intention is focused and I'm the one, I'm the one 161 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: doing the work. That's the point. 162 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 2: Pretty dramatic. Do you shuffle the decks? 163 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, you shuffle the deck I really, I mean 164 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: some people do casino riffling. I personally dislike it a again, 165 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 3: it MUCKs the cards up, bends them like bananas. Don't 166 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 3: like that very much if you've got nice cards like mine. 167 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 3: But shuffling is important because in a way, it's the 168 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 3: point at which the reader focuses. So it gives you 169 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 3: that point of quiet where as you're shuffling, you're focusing 170 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: your intention on the client, your focus, seeing your intention 171 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: on what you want to know, and it's just that 172 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: moment of calm where It allows you to just hone 173 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: in on what it is you want to get from 174 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: the session. 175 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: How important is the attitude or the belief of the 176 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: recipient of the tarot. 177 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: The belief is not important at all. I have many 178 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: stories of reading for people who have told me prior 179 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: to the reading it's complete load of rubbish, and. 180 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: I think, but they still, oh, well, you. 181 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 3: Know I had. I'll tell your quick story as to 182 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 3: how that can be. So I did a wedding many 183 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 3: years ago now, for it was an Iranian English wedding, 184 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: and the Iranian side of the family wanted a taro reader, 185 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 3: and so my job was to sit in this. They 186 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: provided me with this gypsy caravan. It was all very theatrical, 187 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: and so I sat there and in walked this very 188 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: handsome man in a very sharp suit, who pronounced himself 189 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 3: to be the father of the groom, who was the 190 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 3: Iranian dad, as it were, And he sat down and 191 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 3: he said, I just want you to know, I think 192 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 3: this is a whole load of rubbish. And I'm only 193 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 3: here because my wife told me I have to come. 194 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: Ha ha. 195 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: Can we please get this over as quickly as possible 196 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: so I can get back to the party. So I said, 197 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: of course. So I put down the three cards that 198 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 3: everybody was getting, and I looked at the three cards 199 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: and I said to him, well, you know, if you 200 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 3: don't do exactly as your doctor tells you and play 201 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 3: it by the absolute book and follow the rules, you 202 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 3: will probably have another heart attack within the next year. 203 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: Why he didn't know you knew he had one in 204 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: the first place. 205 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: Right, I didn't know he had one in the first place. 206 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 3: I'd never met him before in my entire life. 207 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: Right at that point as astounding. 208 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, he just walked in. All I knew was that 209 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: he was the father of the groom because he told 210 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 3: me as he walked in, he looked like he was 211 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: going to expire on the spot and said, I that 212 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: is just I had that conversation with my consultant on Wednesday, 213 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: What what on earth is going on here? And he 214 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: just ran He just ran away. He literally got up 215 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: and the track. 216 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: Did he think he was setting up? 217 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: He was freaked out. He was completely freaked out. I 218 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: didn't set him up. 219 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: I mean, tell me about the reading that allowed you 220 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: to think he had that initial heart attack and might 221 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: have another one. 222 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, that there were three cards. There was the 223 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: Ace of Cups, and there was the King of Swords, 224 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: and there was the Hiaphan, and so they wind in 225 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: that order. So the order, if I remember rightly, was 226 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 3: the Hierafan, the King of Swords, and the Ace of Cups. 227 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: So the Hierophan is where we are following the rules, 228 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: we're doing it like it's done by the book. Then 229 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: we've got the King of Swords in that's where we're 230 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: looking at the evidence of things and we're being very prescriptive. 231 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: And that can often come up as a doctor or 232 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: maybe a lawyer in some but it's somebody who's looking 233 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: very evidentially at a situation, not emotionally evidentially. And then 234 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: the Ace of Cups at the end means of the heart. 235 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: Now it doesn't necessarily mean heart attack, but what I 236 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: heard when I had the cards on the table was 237 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: healing heart. And I'm going to be honest with you, 238 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: I don't know why I said those words. They just 239 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 3: came out of my mouth unbidden, and if I had 240 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: thought about it, I may not have taken such a risk. 241 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 3: Sometimes we're here to deliver a message that somebody needs 242 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: to hear, and I think that's what was going on 243 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: at that point. 244 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: Can tarole courds be dangerous in the wrong hands. 245 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: Yes, they can be dangerous in the wrong hands. They 246 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: can be dangerous in the hands of people who don't 247 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: understand how to or how to read properly, because there 248 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: are a lot of Charlatans out there who claim to 249 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: be readers and actually are just are either faking it 250 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: or using AI or using books or whatever. So what 251 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 3: they're not able to do is tune into the nuance 252 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: properly and professionally, because it does take training to use them. 253 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 3: You know, you can look into taro and look at 254 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: the images and see your own fears reflected back, which 255 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: we all do because we all look at things and 256 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: look for what we think we know so and that 257 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 3: can sometimes make things worse, not better. And then you 258 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 3: also get other people who are very egotistical when they 259 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 3: read for clients, and they are you know, they will 260 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 3: they will tell them I don't know that, I mean, 261 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: I can't I going to give you examples, but they're 262 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 3: but they don't read for clients sensitively or they judgmental. 263 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 3: Just you get bad client practice so dangerous. You've just 264 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 3: got to be very You've got to understand that You've 265 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 3: got people's lives on the table in front of you, 266 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 3: and it's your job to treat them properly. 267 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: Does ego get in the way, Jannis? Sometimes? 268 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 3: Well, not with me, I hope no, No, not not 269 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: with well, No, not with me, because to be honest 270 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 3: with you, I've I've you know, there is nothing. I've 271 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: been there and got the T shirt right. So I've 272 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 3: had a I've had a long and very very colorful life. 273 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: So I think whatever my clients show up with, I've, 274 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 3: you know, I know what they're going through. I always 275 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: have compassion for them. Nobody gets judged when from me. Ever, 276 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 3: but some people maybe you're not quite so open, should 277 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 3: we say, and so you can get a little bit 278 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 3: of judgment coming in where somebody thinks they know best, 279 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 3: and that can be difficult if you're with a reader 280 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 3: who isn't quite as should we say, open as they 281 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: need to be. 282 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 283 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot 284 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: com for more