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Speaker 3: Nate Newton, where it is seventy one degrees and it
Speaker 3: feels like seventy one degrees.
Speaker 4: It's gonna get all the way up to a blistering
Speaker 4: seventy three there today Nate in a low of fifty
Speaker 4: nine and I have a question to start the show off.
Speaker 4: This was a conversation that was happening off the air
Speaker 4: before we came on the air.
Speaker 5: When you're in the restroom.
Speaker 4: And you're standing at the urinal and you know the
Speaker 4: person next to you and you need to talk to
Speaker 4: them about something.
Speaker 3: Do you start? Do you have bathroom converse?
Speaker 4: I know you don't make eye contact, you never make
Speaker 4: eye contact in the in the restroom, But is it
Speaker 4: okay to have a conversation with the man that's next
Speaker 4: to you or taking a step further if you see
Speaker 4: their shoes and you know who it is, can you
Speaker 4: talk to him whiley're in the stall?
Speaker 6: You know, I hate to say this because it's setting
Speaker 6: me up for failure, But it's depending on what you're handling.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: So if you're not handling a lot, you make it
Speaker 6: have a conversation. But if you're handling a lot, you
Speaker 6: have to make sure you do what it's serious. Uh
Speaker 6: So we were talking about brother William over here. You
Speaker 6: know he is having a conversation in the restroom, so
Speaker 6: we know where he stands.
Speaker 3: What about you, Jesse? Is it okay to talk in
Speaker 3: the restaurroom?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 8: No, no, you get you get the gentleman's kind of
Speaker 8: you know, if I see you coming.
Speaker 5: In the how you doing?
Speaker 3: But not why you're standing there?
Speaker 5: What about you?
Speaker 7: Kurt?
Speaker 3: I've done him.
Speaker 9: I've never done somebody in a stall and I'm outside
Speaker 9: of it. No way, I have done it before, you know,
Speaker 9: standing there, but I'm kind of on just inside.
Speaker 6: Well yeah, and they say, the more conversation you have.
Speaker 7: Hey, all right.
Speaker 6: Moving on the football, let's just get off that topic.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Did you go to the media party last night?
Speaker 6: Nate, No, I didn't, And I'm happy that I didn't
Speaker 6: because you know, inside information. Uh, you know a lot
Speaker 6: of people say, you know about Zach do we need him?
Speaker 6: And do we don't need him? And some of the
Speaker 6: things that was saying kind of broke my hearted that
Speaker 6: I heard about you know we need Zack Martin. That's
Speaker 6: all I need to say that I can go to
Speaker 6: the media party. Yes, okay, all right.
Speaker 4: But what uh, what other inside info have you gotten
Speaker 4: since we last talked to you on Monday? Any any
Speaker 4: anything going on behind the scenes out there?
Speaker 7: I no, No.
Speaker 6: I did my homework far as looking at Mazie that
Speaker 6: you guys asked me to do, and I did my homework.
Speaker 6: We're looking at the backup lineman. So I I did
Speaker 6: those two things and other than that right there, you know,
Speaker 6: nothing has happened Spectacler that would turn your heads and
Speaker 6: make you say, wow, you know this guy hit showed up,
Speaker 6: but this guy didn't show up. But everything has been
Speaker 6: going to plan. Two great days. Well, the first day
Speaker 6: I think was a great day of padded practice because
Speaker 6: guys were really blocked in and focused and doing what
Speaker 6: they had to do. You didn't see a lot of
Speaker 6: mental mistakes out there. Second day, I didn't see it
Speaker 6: from up close. I was kind of sitting back, so
Speaker 6: I didn't get to hear the past spot. But they
Speaker 6: did do one on one pass rushing the second day,
Speaker 6: and I like to see that right there.
Speaker 7: And Zach Martin, where are you?
Speaker 8: Jesse?
Speaker 4: A lot of talk out of camp for these first
Speaker 4: few days about how fast the receivers are, how fast
Speaker 4: this offense is, what And we'll get to you in
Speaker 4: a minute, Nate, get your take on what it looks
Speaker 4: like in real time. But it's been a long time
Speaker 4: since you've heard the wide receiver group here talk about
Speaker 4: being fast or being quick. Like we've had a lot
Speaker 4: of good route runners, you've had a lot of technicians.
Speaker 4: You haven't heard speed, Like what different dynamic does speed
Speaker 4: bring to a team as opposed to just a good
Speaker 4: a good receiver.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fear. It's fear when you line up.
Speaker 8: When Brandon Cooks line up was commoditorf the line up,
Speaker 8: the first thing the DV.
Speaker 5: Looks at and goes, he's fast. And that's what you want.
Speaker 8: You wanna be able to line up against a guy
Speaker 8: and the first thing that he thinks about.
Speaker 5: Is Okay, he can't beat me deep.
Speaker 8: So I'm already in the back of my mind, I'm
Speaker 8: already thinking about this guy going past me. When you
Speaker 8: watch some of these route comments that they're running, and
Speaker 8: you're seeing some of the whip routes, and you're seeing
Speaker 8: some of the long balls stuff like that, you're seeing
Speaker 8: that happen at warp speed. Now you're talking about changing
Speaker 8: over to the West Coast or Texas Coast offense. You're
Speaker 8: talking about a quick timing offense where everything needs to
Speaker 8: be done at a fast pace. Windows have to be
Speaker 8: opened and closed, ball has to be delivered. So that
Speaker 8: means I need guys that's gonna be able to get there.
Speaker 8: What you have in Cedee Lamb is a guy who's
Speaker 8: become a polished drought runner. But when you start adding
Speaker 8: that speed element around now, it gives you that element
Speaker 8: of fear that secondaries have to now worry about. Safeties
Speaker 8: can't be up in the box, Guys can't be.
Speaker 5: Up in press covers.
Speaker 8: Now you're gonna see guys playing more off covers, more
Speaker 8: too high safeties than you will one Hot Hinton.
Speaker 5: Because of that type.
Speaker 8: Of speed, the route concepts, you're seeing less of the
Speaker 8: curl routes, less of the Harvey valks, more of the
Speaker 8: routes that are moving, the slants, the goals, the deep overs,
Speaker 8: those type of routes that you want to get your
Speaker 8: guy in space with a bunch of speed. You know,
Speaker 8: we see it all the time with Tyreek Hill running
Speaker 8: those deep overs. If I can get him the ball
Speaker 8: in space with the guy trailing him, I'm trusting in
Speaker 8: believing at the speed that he has. It's gonna take
Speaker 8: a twenty yard play, make it a forty yard play,
Speaker 8: a forty yard play, make it a sixty yard play.
Speaker 8: And when you have those big chunks one it does
Speaker 8: it cuts down on your interceptions because you don't have
Speaker 8: to have the ball and have to have that many
Speaker 8: extra snaps for Dak Prescott. But also you're giving your
Speaker 8: team opportunity to make the big fatch plays to score touchdowns,
Speaker 8: which are important in this offense and in this league nowadays.
Speaker 5: And they give you those big chunk yards. And when
Speaker 5: you get leads.
Speaker 8: In the National Football League with a team like you
Speaker 8: have and a monster like you have with Michael Parsons,
Speaker 8: you go up ten, fourteen, seventeen points. Now that team
Speaker 8: has to be in a mandatory pass situation, well, then
Speaker 8: now it's fair game and a guy like Michael Parsons
Speaker 8: can kind of be unleashed to go get the quarterback.
Speaker 8: So speed kills in all aspects of life, especially in full.
Speaker 9: If you rather have speed than good size and good hands,
Speaker 9: that's sort of thing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because you can speed, you can tea like you
Speaker 8: can't teach.
Speaker 5: Size, but you can now you can catch better.
Speaker 8: Right, But speed is one of those things that they
Speaker 8: can find a job for you. Speed allows people to
Speaker 8: find job for you, whether it's for turning punts or kicks,
Speaker 8: uh reversus whatever. If you pose an element of speed,
Speaker 8: someone will always go, we can we can use that,
Speaker 8: and they'll they'll sign you want to bring you.
Speaker 5: On, Nate.
Speaker 3: Does it look does it look does it look faster?
Speaker 3: Out there? Can you can you tell me?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're faster.
Speaker 6: Yes, and and and this is what is so amazing
Speaker 6: is yesterday when they went early to red zone and
Speaker 6: into the uh but that was that was popping.
Speaker 7: I mean, split second the ball was out, it was.
Speaker 7: It was popping.
Speaker 6: When you see guys running around with that type speed,
Speaker 6: that type quickness and knowing where to be.
Speaker 7: Uh Dak was making it pop.
Speaker 6: And then even when he had to move around, it
Speaker 6: wasn't much and he was getting that ball out of
Speaker 6: it because guys were breaking quickly on the on the rock,
Speaker 6: and it just it makes our dv's much that much
Speaker 6: better when you play against quickness and guys that no
Speaker 6: way to be like these guys out here are doing
Speaker 6: Brandon Cooks CD lamb and I'm telling you, Michael Gallup looks.
Speaker 7: Like a new born kid. I mean he is around
Speaker 7: like a deer.
Speaker 6: So you see when you see all these guys running
Speaker 6: around in red zone, big things that happen, big things,
Speaker 6: even the tight ends saying hey, you know they they're
Speaker 6: making it happen.
Speaker 7: So the game is much quicker. I'm with you one
Speaker 7: hundred percent, Jesse.
Speaker 6: Speed will make you back up, man, speed will make
Speaker 6: you back up.
Speaker 9: Justin like we've been hearing so far, Like you know,
Speaker 9: Toback's looking good, and Turbine came out and had a
Speaker 9: good day, and Brooks the seventh round picks looking good.
Speaker 9: But at this point we're only weekend. Can you really
Speaker 9: get a good evaluation yet of these guys?
Speaker 8: What you want to see is guys playing fast, right.
Speaker 8: You want to see guys being able to line up,
Speaker 8: to know their assignments, to know what they're supposed to
Speaker 8: be doing, not just with the second and third group,
Speaker 8: but when you get sprinkled in there with the ones, right,
Speaker 8: can those guys be able to say, all right, take
Speaker 8: what you learned in the meeting room, what you learned
Speaker 8: OTA's in mini camp. Especially for guys like Jalen Tibert
Speaker 8: coming into year two, you should have a really good
Speaker 8: understanding of this offense so that now you're not so
Speaker 8: much so thinking about what you're doing every day in practice,
Speaker 8: but you're just going out there playing fast. And when
Speaker 8: guys can go out there and play loose and play fast,
Speaker 8: now I get a better chance to see what you
Speaker 8: are as a player. But if you're thinking, and we
Speaker 8: got to constantly correct you, and we got I can't
Speaker 8: trust you then because now while I'm evaluating, I'm also
Speaker 8: getting ready for the upcoming season.
Speaker 5: So if you're not keeping.
Speaker 8: Up with the speed of our total offense or defense
Speaker 8: evaluation and development, then I got to put a guy
Speaker 8: in there that does because I have ten other guys
Speaker 8: that I have to worry about. So seeing these young
Speaker 8: guys being able to have that type of exposure in
Speaker 8: camp and are doing well says to kind of almost
Speaker 8: what these guys have been saying the off season that
Speaker 8: we now have a better understanding of where we're supposed
Speaker 8: to be, why we're supposed to be there, what we're
Speaker 8: doing when we get there, and doing it at a
Speaker 8: fast pace. So that helps the quarterback, That helps them.
Speaker 8: That helped the offense, but it also helps guys like
Speaker 8: Mike McCarthy who's not the play caller, because now I
Speaker 8: can see on display all the talent that I have,
Speaker 8: and now I can go back to the line to say, Okay,
Speaker 8: I got size, I got speed, I got agility, I
Speaker 8: got this, this, this, this, and this, and he can
Speaker 8: continue to put together a package of playing a package
Speaker 8: of plays, and a playing offensively that they can run.
Speaker 5: Now, all these guys won't make this football team.
Speaker 8: We know that already, but it's good to have a
Speaker 8: selection from those guys and see those guys learning what
Speaker 8: they're supposed to be doing during you know, during camp.
Speaker 6: You know the amazing thing about it is when they
Speaker 6: took off yesterday on that red zone for about ten plays,
Speaker 6: It's like once Ceedee Lamb, once Pittman Scuman Turpin caught
Speaker 6: those first two touchdowns, It's like everybody was trying to
Speaker 6: make a playoffens and they just breede confidence and the
Speaker 6: speed that these guys are doing it, and I can
Speaker 6: say coming out of their breaks and the way they're
Speaker 6: doing it, it was a tremendous deal. They literally had
Speaker 6: our secondary just wondering what to do. I mean, Al
Speaker 6: Harris is going crazy trying to coach, coach this guy.
Speaker 6: They coach that guy, coach and Sean right there and
Speaker 6: coach the other guys. And so they they dominated that
Speaker 6: period yesterday.
Speaker 4: Hey, Nate, you're gonna stay with us through the second segment.
Speaker 8: I'm staying with you, all right, Yes, before we go, Hey,
Speaker 8: I have one quick question for Nick.
Speaker 5: Do they sell lotion and oxlan?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 7: Lord, yes they do, Yes, they do.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, now I'm gonna ask you a question.
Speaker 5: That's football really, that's football leaders.
Speaker 3: Jesse trying to get you all sides.
Speaker 4: Good job, Nate, good job by not jumping off sides
Speaker 4: before we go to break, because I want to talk
Speaker 4: about this.
Speaker 5: Were you standing there watching O line D line when.
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons did my good friend Tyrn Smith dirty?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, anything, don't say anything.
Speaker 4: I want to come back and I want to get
Speaker 4: your take on what happened, because everybody in Dallas radio was.
Speaker 3: Talking about that.
Speaker 4: So I want to get your take on what happened
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Speaker 4: Nate all right, back to some live observations and then
Speaker 4: and then the follow up question from our side, and
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Speaker 5: Take on the follow up question.
Speaker 4: We've been hearing about Michael Parson's just wreaking havo it
Speaker 4: out there. Is it as bad as everybody everybody's making
Speaker 4: it sound, Yes.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: The first day we were doing combo runs, which is
Speaker 6: like nine on seven, and Uh he wrecked a few plays.
Speaker 6: Then then he went to will be called pressure where
Speaker 6: they line up and they bring blitzes and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: And he he wrecked that because Tyron and Still are
Speaker 6: not in there. The two young guys are in there, Idava.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to hope pronounce his name.
Speaker 7: Right in Walaska, Whatlaska.
Speaker 6: Those two guys are in there, and they have just
Speaker 6: been dominating at the defensive imposition him in d law
Speaker 6: and god forbid they get on the same side and
Speaker 6: start running games and stunts and boyle, they just been wrecking, uh,
Speaker 6: those parts of practice when they're the other than that,
Speaker 6: the office line and seemed seeming to hold up pretty well,
Speaker 6: or when Parsons is on fire. I mean just like
Speaker 6: every other play to his side. Now, you can have
Speaker 6: four guys blocking well, but whoever, whether it's on Tyron
Speaker 6: or Steel or one of the backup guys, he Doagua.
Speaker 6: He is wrecking practice, man, And it's nothing you can
Speaker 6: do because you can't stop practice. You can't ask him
Speaker 6: to be less than what he is, and you can't
Speaker 6: not take him out.
Speaker 7: You can't take him out of practice.
Speaker 6: So our offensive line, believe me, Mike Silari is working
Speaker 6: overtime on technique, technique, toughness, toughness. Do your job, hang
Speaker 6: in there because you're not facing that guy every Sunday.
Speaker 6: You're not facing a Parson's guy every Sunday.
Speaker 4: That was gonna be my question to you, Jesse, is
Speaker 4: can you do any like that's disrupted?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 4: It's great to see on the defensive side because that means, hell, yeah,
Speaker 4: we gotta This guy's living up to the hype. He's
Speaker 4: been talking to talk, he's walking the walk. But on
Speaker 4: the offensive side, you're not getting quality reps in case
Speaker 4: you get getting slaughtered on every play. Like Nate said,
Speaker 4: you can't ask him to back off, he can't take
Speaker 4: him out of practice. But what does that do to
Speaker 4: you mentally as an offensive lineman when you're just like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the biggest thing is is for guys like Tyron,
Speaker 8: who's been around the block a couple of times, right,
Speaker 8: Like he gets it, Like Tyron understands you when you're
Speaker 8: just faced up with Yeah. Remember Tyron came in with
Speaker 8: a veteran DeMarcus way, so he understands when it is
Speaker 8: to kind of be in that dominating position where it's
Speaker 8: kind of almost like a baby, like you start you
Speaker 8: start out crawling and you go out, you go out
Speaker 8: this world crawling like the older person. But for Tyron,
Speaker 8: he realizes now that you know this is just what
Speaker 8: it is, he is just a monster. He's a man child,
Speaker 8: and that's what you want to be. The difference is
Speaker 8: you have to also understand offensively, in training camp, we're
Speaker 8: not game planning for Michael Parsons in practice right.
Speaker 5: Now, they're just going out there trying to run their sets.
Speaker 5: In the game.
Speaker 8: Is you know Mike Clarie tell his groups, he'll say, hey, listen,
Speaker 8: in the game, have a tight end. We'll start away
Speaker 8: from this, We'll run away from him. But right now,
Speaker 8: you gotta just hunker down, do your very best to
Speaker 8: try to stop him. And then you got to coach
Speaker 8: through tape, right You got to coach through the walkthrough,
Speaker 8: You have to coach through the practice film.
Speaker 5: You had to coach through those type of situations.
Speaker 8: But Michael Parson presents the same problem defensively as we
Speaker 8: talked about offensively.
Speaker 5: Speed.
Speaker 8: When you have that level of speed, the first thing
Speaker 8: the tackle thinks about is can't.
Speaker 5: Let him beat me around the corner.
Speaker 8: So when Michael comes off the ball and he's flying
Speaker 8: upfield and you go to kind of kick out real
Speaker 8: hard and he catches you in that midkick and now
Speaker 8: you on one leg and he come underneath or he
Speaker 8: he gives you that kind of that old, that old
Speaker 8: swipe and you're off balance, you're going down. And for Micah,
Speaker 8: the biggest thing that I see for him this year
Speaker 8: is can he withstand the full time position at defensive end?
Speaker 5: The wear and tear, the wear and tear.
Speaker 8: Kurt just looked it up for me, the average weight
Speaker 8: for defensive International Football League.
Speaker 9: Kurt was what but it said two seventy eight team,
Speaker 9: it looks more like sixty two seventy. Most of those
Speaker 9: guys are around sixty five.
Speaker 5: What's Mike away and Micah's right now.
Speaker 2: He's to forty five.
Speaker 5: Right now, it's two forty five, I think.
Speaker 9: But he was this might be based on last year's toy.
Speaker 9: He was trying to get up closer to two fifty.
Speaker 5: But and Hi I told people about this as well.
Speaker 8: And Nate you can jump into this, because Nate was
Speaker 8: kind of on the opposite end of things. It's guys
Speaker 8: who struggle keeping weight. No matter what you do in
Speaker 8: the off season, when you get in season, you're not
Speaker 8: lifting the same. You're not your intake is not the same.
Speaker 8: You're practicing at a much higher rate. You're doing more running.
Speaker 8: Michael Parsons a guy once in on every single play.
Speaker 8: So even if he put on ten pounds in the
Speaker 8: off season, by the time we get to October, that
Speaker 8: weights come back off. He's back down to two forty five,
Speaker 8: two fifty. It's not till you get later in your
Speaker 8: career or you know, it's the big guys who have
Speaker 8: a problem, you know, keeping the weight off, not putting
Speaker 8: the weight on and your metabolism slow down a little bit.
Speaker 8: For Micah, it's yeah, we know what you can do
Speaker 8: the first half of the season. Will you be able
Speaker 8: to sustain that level of ferociousness speed fire throughout the
Speaker 8: duration of the season because the last last year, the
Speaker 8: last half of the season, the last six games of
Speaker 8: the season, seven games in the season, hit one sack,
Speaker 8: hit one sack the last six seven games of the season.
Speaker 8: And you can tell he come off his shoulder, his knee,
Speaker 8: his hip, his back. It's that wear and tear that
Speaker 8: you talk about all year long. And now when you're
Speaker 8: practicing the way of these practices practicing, he doesn't want
Speaker 8: to come off the field ever, now won't come off
Speaker 8: the field, doesn't want to miss practices, don't want to
Speaker 8: take a playoff, but you realize can you be that
Speaker 8: dog for seventeen weeks of the season. And that has
Speaker 8: become the issue with Michael Parsons is can he do it.
Speaker 5: For the whole year? Yeah?
Speaker 9: I don't think we're saying or I haven't heard of
Speaker 9: any workouts linebacker A.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen it?
Speaker 3: Is that a misuse speak?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are they using him in all the linebacker nate?
Speaker 7: Nah? Nah, they will manage me, don't don't worry. He'll
Speaker 7: be okay. We all learned, be good, be good, good
Speaker 7: all the way around.
Speaker 6: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, you mean
Speaker 6: to tell me we give Michael Partisons all of this
Speaker 6: credit to be in this great athlete, this smart athlete,
Speaker 6: and he he hasn't give it any thought on how
Speaker 6: to make adjustments since the game go on, as the
Speaker 6: season go on. Uh, the coaches is up to the
Speaker 6: coaches and the trainers to manage him, to help him
Speaker 6: manage himself. Uh, yes, you're going to have your plays,
Speaker 6: but I don't I don't care.
Speaker 7: If it's if we get a deep kick and the
Speaker 7: guy bring it out and we on the one, we
Speaker 7: on the five. Hey, hey, no, we don't need you
Speaker 7: to this.
Speaker 6: Some partis we will we'll we'll wait a minute, get
Speaker 6: give him a blow right here, to give him a blow.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, take him out of the game.
Speaker 6: It is some guys you have to protect them from
Speaker 6: themselves and so and if Michael wanted to stay in
Speaker 6: his league and get paid in this league a long time,
Speaker 6: he better, he better understand. He better talk to a dware,
Speaker 6: he better talk to a child. Say they both undersized guys,
Speaker 6: wasn't big at their positions, you know.
Speaker 7: So now you talk to these guys, you find out
Speaker 7: how they got through.
Speaker 6: Because if you're only going to have one sack and
Speaker 6: the second half of the season, the team's gonna load
Speaker 6: up on you. You don't want to have that situation.
Speaker 6: You want to be be able to have them fifteen
Speaker 6: sixteen sacks throughout the whole season and be effective when
Speaker 6: the playoffs comes around. So he'll he'll be smart enough
Speaker 6: to get through. This ain't ain't about you know. I
Speaker 6: know everything's gonna be alright, But if you don't understand
Speaker 6: how to pace himself and how to play this game
Speaker 6: as a veteran, he blow himself out.
Speaker 7: Oh no, he won't be all right. Maybe the rest
Speaker 7: of the team will be okay, because.
Speaker 8: To that point jet of his career where he understands
Speaker 8: the pace, I think he knows one speed and I think,
Speaker 8: you know, I think he knows competition at the highest
Speaker 8: level one hundred miles an hour for I don't.
Speaker 2: Think he.
Speaker 7: If I run past.
Speaker 6: Look, man, do you understand that this is seventeen games.
Speaker 6: This ain't a sprint, This ain't kind of This ain't
Speaker 6: a sprint. It's seventeen games where somebody gonna knock your
Speaker 6: head off, ain't gonna slow you down because you're not
Speaker 6: at your best?
Speaker 5: All right, Nate?
Speaker 4: Before we go to our next break, your guy, Zzie
Speaker 4: Smith said yesterday, I don't even like football.
Speaker 3: I like hitting people. Now.
Speaker 4: I would like to think that that you don't get
Speaker 4: to the National Football League by not liking football. I mean,
Speaker 4: there's some guys that don't love football, But I would
Speaker 4: like to think that everyone likes football.
Speaker 3: And I would like to think he was joking. But
Speaker 3: what's he been doing out there?
Speaker 4: That's your guy. You called for him, you got him.
Speaker 4: Is he is he living up to the hypel A
Speaker 4: week in the camp.
Speaker 6: Will you want me to get that on the coming
Speaker 6: out of the break or you want me to go
Speaker 6: into that?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 5: How long are you gonna talk? Let's go to.
Speaker 3: Let's take our second break.
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Speaker 4: We are back for the final segment Hanging with the
Speaker 4: Boys brought to you every day by Wingstop where Flavor
Speaker 4: gets its wings. Shannon Gross, Jesse, Holly Kirk Daniels in studio,
Speaker 4: Nate Newton live from Oxenard, California, and our final segment
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Speaker 4: dating partner of the Dallas Cowboys. All right, Nate, your
Speaker 4: guy Mizi Smith.
Speaker 3: He likes to hit people.
Speaker 5: What have you seen a camp so far?
Speaker 6: He played with pretty good leverage. He got good hands.
Speaker 6: He played with pretty good leverage. I saw him in
Speaker 6: past rush toss some TJ Bass on his neck, you know, so,
Speaker 6: I mean he he bullrushed, but he bull rushed a.
Speaker 7: Half a man, and that puts a lot of time
Speaker 7: centers that you know, when.
Speaker 6: He come a half man and he got his full
Speaker 6: body on your one half, it's kind of hard for
Speaker 6: you to balance. And TJ went up on one leg
Speaker 6: trying to get itself back down, and he never came
Speaker 6: back down, you know, until he was on his back. So, uh,
Speaker 6: he's been doing good. And I've used that comment before,
Speaker 6: you know, you know, I really did at football. And
Speaker 6: what interests me is the ability to illegally beat up people.
Speaker 7: So I'll be with him on that right there.
Speaker 6: You know that you can you physically beat up another
Speaker 6: man and ain't nobody gonna call AsSalt and battery or
Speaker 6: nothing like that.
Speaker 7: So but he's done it.
Speaker 6: But believe me, FA, I've been looking at him a
Speaker 6: liverit of his tape and they've been punishing him too
Speaker 6: because they know, uh, he's strong, he plays pretty good leverage,
Speaker 6: got decent hands at this early in training camp, so
Speaker 6: they've been they've been double teaming him and knocking him
Speaker 6: on his rump a couple of times too. So and
Speaker 6: he's just trying to get some payback because when you
Speaker 6: play over the center, or you play that two technique
Speaker 6: over the guard or the inside eye of the guard,
Speaker 6: you gonna get two of more guys on you all
Speaker 6: the time, and you're gonna sometime have tight ends blocking
Speaker 6: down on you. So keep trying to get some payback, man,
Speaker 6: that's all it is he just man because they beat him.
Speaker 8: Up Right now, Nate, I got a question from an
Speaker 8: interior kind of perspective. When you hear coaches talking about
Speaker 8: right now Mazi is learning how to just be a
Speaker 8: good run stopper. That learning how to be a good
Speaker 8: pass rusher will come later. Can you kind of elaborate
Speaker 8: on that a little bit? What's the difference from a
Speaker 8: young guy's perspective at that position or in the trenches,
Speaker 8: of one being a run stopper and then later on
Speaker 8: learning how to be a pass rusher and then combining
Speaker 8: the two. Because we see guys like Aaron Donald who's
Speaker 8: like run stopper and get you twelve sacks a season,
Speaker 8: what is the maturation of that happening for a young
Speaker 8: guy like Mazzie.
Speaker 7: Smith right now?
Speaker 6: What you're trying to do is ask him to stay
Speaker 6: up parallel with the line. You want him to keep
Speaker 6: his body parallel with your line. You don't want him
Speaker 6: getting sideways. You want him taking up a body, getting
Speaker 6: on the center, putting both hands on a guy and
Speaker 6: taking up and staying where he can go either way.
Speaker 6: You know, you want him to be to stop and run.
Speaker 6: You want him two yards every time he's over the
Speaker 6: center of the guard, you want him two yards into
Speaker 6: that backfield, and you want that body of that center
Speaker 6: by that guard at least a back of yard, which
Speaker 6: will be two yards for him.
Speaker 7: And that's what you want. Now when you get this, guys.
Speaker 6: Stop turning sideways and twisting it, trying to turn their bodies.
Speaker 13: Now, you help creating holes. They don't want him to
Speaker 13: create in the hose unless it's coming from his side.
Speaker 13: He want the linebacker behind him coming downhill. He has
Speaker 13: done a great job early in this camp of making
Speaker 13: sure his linebacker, whether it's the mic backer at a
Speaker 13: two technique over a guard or as the wheel linebacker
Speaker 13: coming from the nose position looping around.
Speaker 7: You want these guys running free.
Speaker 6: You warn him running free, man, And that's what he's
Speaker 6: been able to do a couple of times.
Speaker 7: To let guys run free.
Speaker 6: Jabril Cox is shooting every gap sometime to his own
Speaker 6: detriment because this guy, these big guys, him and Jonathan
Speaker 6: Hanks have been opening up holes by eating up bodies.
Speaker 5: Man, this becauesn't like.
Speaker 3: This gets me excited.
Speaker 5: It gets me a little football horn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got you, because everything we're talking about this
Speaker 4: team is multi dimensional now like they've always been missing,
Speaker 4: like they haven't. They had good route runners, but they
Speaker 4: didn't have speed.
Speaker 5: Right now they got speed.
Speaker 4: You had you know, you had good linebackers, but you
Speaker 4: didn't have run stoppers, you know, and that caused you
Speaker 4: to get kicked out of playoffs a couple of years
Speaker 4: in a row.
Speaker 5: And now it's like, okay, you got this.
Speaker 4: And then they says, Okay, Jabril Cox is shooting shooting
Speaker 4: the gaps, you know, Mike and Tankard disrupted offensive lines
Speaker 4: where you know, you don't hear like I mean, when
Speaker 4: your defense is that good, it's you can't both be
Speaker 4: standing right, somebody's gonna get beat every day, right, But
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just everything we're talking about is like
Speaker 4: this is another level than what they've always had.
Speaker 3: And it's like because usually you're like, we're really good here.
Speaker 9: Well for your it's been on offense.
Speaker 4: Right, and now you're talking about defense and not only
Speaker 4: the linebackers, but now you've got corners and safeties and
Speaker 4: now you got guys up front.
Speaker 3: It's just it's like, Okay, what's gonna go It's.
Speaker 5: Gonna go wrong? Like, well, what's gonna go wrong? Michael Staff,
Speaker 5: the quarterback. That's Staff, the quarterback, Michael.
Speaker 8: It goes really wrong, really fast if Michael keeps coming
Speaker 8: in there for Dak Prescott's legs.
Speaker 6: The thing is, it reminds me of early in our career,
Speaker 6: once Charles Haley showed up for us and our practices
Speaker 6: was hard. And if you attacked this right way, like
Speaker 6: Jess was talking about earlier, if you as an offensive mind,
Speaker 6: attacked this right way, I don't care how hard it
Speaker 6: it's for me, because going against Leonette was always a
Speaker 6: job for me. He was a better athlete, he was smart.
Speaker 6: Charles Aley was a threat being next to him. So
Speaker 6: you always work on your technique. You keep working on
Speaker 6: your technique. You gotta believe that if you keep working
Speaker 6: on your technique and you statementally tough to do your job,
Speaker 6: to do the best you can to give that maximum
Speaker 6: of from when you're in there, your four or five place.
Speaker 7: This season's gonna turn out, Okay.
Speaker 6: Our problem is gonna be the number sixty six TJ Bass.
Speaker 6: Is he gonna develop enough to give Matt Farniac and
Speaker 6: run at that second backup guard is is Igodava And
Speaker 6: I'm hoping Tom pronounce this game guy's name right, is
Speaker 6: he gonna be enough to play that left tackle? Something
Speaker 6: happened to Tyron Smith. It's some questions got to be answered.
Speaker 6: Man brock Hoffman, he's the backup center right now. He
Speaker 6: goes in second. He's kind of liked, So what are
Speaker 6: these guys gonna do? Josh Baul He didn't have a
Speaker 6: great past protection or pressure passes segment yesterday, So what
Speaker 6: are these guys gonna do? That's why I was kind
Speaker 6: of joking at the beginning of the show, like where
Speaker 6: are you, Martin? Where are you?
Speaker 7: Because these but it's only.
Speaker 6: Been two days this preseason for our offensive line. They
Speaker 6: cannot wait to get these guys into the preseason as
Speaker 6: a unit for as the backups, to see what these
Speaker 6: guys are gonna do because out here in practice they've
Speaker 6: been struggling.
Speaker 7: Now, I mean they.
Speaker 6: Look okay at times, but a lot of times they
Speaker 6: are struggling. And it's maybe because the guys are good
Speaker 6: on defense, but we won't know until we get into
Speaker 6: the preseason.
Speaker 9: Did you guys talk about the past protection and Monday
Speaker 9: and how that's supposed to be changing, like, you know,
Speaker 9: beg or not? Yeah, I guess they maybe even speak
Speaker 9: to this. Like McCarthy has said, one of the biggest
Speaker 9: changes to the offense is the pass protection. And I
Speaker 9: don't know nothing about you know what could be changing,
Speaker 9: how difficult it is to change, how long that's going
Speaker 9: to take to figure out? Is that something that I guess?
Speaker 9: How are they approaching and how are they managing that.
Speaker 7: It's just like I said, they doing the thing.
Speaker 6: They call it a new thing well before we call
Speaker 6: it blitch drill men you Jesse, but they call it
Speaker 6: pressure because they don't.
Speaker 7: They don't change the plays. The routes.
Speaker 6: The routes has changed depending on how the secondary look
Speaker 6: or how the linebackers look. Uh and U as office lineman,
Speaker 6: if they change, do change the play us office, Lina
Speaker 6: got to know right away. You know it ain't zero
Speaker 6: hold to this, this and this. You got to know
Speaker 6: because the whole blank if possible change, So you got
Speaker 6: to be a little bit more sharp. But what coach
Speaker 6: is talking about is when when we have our first
Speaker 6: unit and they look pretty good barring number eleven, you know,
Speaker 6: other than that, they look pretty good. Even the backups,
Speaker 6: barring number eleven, they look pretty good in there.
Speaker 7: And they look and I'm just being honest.
Speaker 6: When when when when this kid get in there, everybody
Speaker 6: else turned into superheroes. When they comes a pass rush
Speaker 6: situation with fat guy in there and not five, they
Speaker 6: take you out to fill in there, and we'll live
Speaker 6: it and we'll a little bit more competitive offensively across
Speaker 6: the line.
Speaker 7: That's what I've seen.
Speaker 5: Hot sports prediction time.
Speaker 4: Right, we talked, We talked about this a little bit
Speaker 4: on Monday, Jesse, So Ronald Jones got himself suspended the
Speaker 4: first two games of the season. Right when one O
Speaker 4: five to three the fan, the flagship station of the
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys, they point blank ash Jerry will Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 4: be on this team come start of the season, And
Speaker 4: Jerry left the door wide and I think his response was,
Speaker 4: we're reading the tea leaves right now, which means you're
Speaker 4: saying there's a chance, Jesse.
Speaker 5: Are those tea leaves or tree leaves?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but all right, true or false?
Speaker 4: Ezekiel Elliott will be on this team when the season starts.
Speaker 5: False?
Speaker 9: Kurt unequivalently, No, McCarthy kind of closed the door on that.
Speaker 9: So so now it's just I don't remember exactly, but
Speaker 9: he kind of let it be know. No, we're moving on.
Speaker 9: He wants to give the young guys a chance. He
Speaker 9: doesn't want to, you know, stop their development. They've moved on.
Speaker 4: Because the coach on this of this team has never
Speaker 4: said anything.
Speaker 5: And then ownership.
Speaker 9: That's true. Opposite, that's true. Jerry will do what he
Speaker 9: wants to do. But I think he's just working the media.
Speaker 9: He also knows how to work on me.
Speaker 5: Nate, what you think?
Speaker 6: And Malik Davis guys our backup running back starting season? Yes, sir,
Speaker 6: so do you I don't know what happened three games in,
Speaker 6: but I know Rico Donald and Malie Davis need to
Speaker 6: show up so we can have a three running backs
Speaker 6: so much with Tony Pobab's beating past.
Speaker 3: Do you do you keep Ronald Jones around?
Speaker 7: Who? Ronald Jones?
Speaker 5: The running back that got suspended?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 5: Who is he?
Speaker 12: That?
Speaker 3: His name's answer? All right?
Speaker 4: Before we get out of here, Kurt, you go first.
Speaker 3: Is there anybody you want to know a little scouting
Speaker 3: report on that?
Speaker 2: Nate?
Speaker 4: Uh may have got some watching film or got the
Speaker 4: seeing person out there.
Speaker 9: Wow, that's a good question.
Speaker 5: Sorry to screaming Yeah on me, I don't know.
Speaker 9: I mean We've been hearing a lot about these young
Speaker 9: wide receivers and how they're progressing. I'd like to know
Speaker 9: how some of these young corners are doing. We've heard
Speaker 9: something about next shown Ryan, but.
Speaker 6: Brooks he has been he has been getting open and I.
Speaker 7: Want to talk to one of the coaches. Just is
Speaker 7: this guy for real?
Speaker 6: I mean, because I don't care whether Dak is throwing
Speaker 6: to him or one of the other backup quarterbacks. He
Speaker 6: makes a play a day, and it's just is this
Speaker 6: like any other rookie, uh making it? You know, y'all
Speaker 6: making sure y'all make you know having him as successful plays.
Speaker 7: He makes a play a day at least sometimes.
Speaker 5: Said the same thing quarterback.
Speaker 4: He was always one, and it was like there's always one,
Speaker 4: and then it's said, said to that guy likes.
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 6: I was never big on Houston. I was never big
Speaker 6: on Houston, and I'm not big on this guy. But
Speaker 6: y'all asked and and I got to find out. He
Speaker 6: makes a play a day and and and it'd be
Speaker 6: big whether it's.
Speaker 7: He was part of.
Speaker 6: He started a red zone thing last yes to day.
Speaker 6: He started that by making a big play. He just
Speaker 6: seems to come over was it?
Speaker 5: Did he make his big play on Boss Man Fat?
Speaker 6: He don'et made him on everybody? Man, don't made him
Speaker 6: on Gilmore too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you just hear him about every clip that I see,
Speaker 8: Like whether it's CD, it's Cooks Boss.
Speaker 6: Certain guys I don't even know their name. Certain guys
Speaker 6: who you're talking.
Speaker 4: About, there's no there's no point in learning them until
Speaker 4: until the season starts because half of them are go
Speaker 4: be here, need to give that number one up?
Speaker 7: Just any any Jones, boss Man Fat? Who are these guys?
Speaker 3: Just anybody you want to know to blow down on?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I've yet, I've yet. We're two weeks
Speaker 8: in the camp. I've yet to hear him play from
Speaker 8: the tight les. I've yet to hear one O one.
Speaker 8: I've yet to hear anything like not anything bad, but
Speaker 8: I've get to hear me and like man practice and
Speaker 8: will as a group. Yeah, I've yet to hear anything
Speaker 8: outside of you know, someone's not practicing the day or
Speaker 8: I just I want to see something from the tight End.
Speaker 5: Not that I'm worried.
Speaker 8: About that group, but I want to see something from
Speaker 8: the tight End to let me know that we're good.
Speaker 5: We're good we're good.
Speaker 7: We're good.
Speaker 5: Yeah for me.
Speaker 7: The tight ends.
Speaker 5: I want to see something with.
Speaker 6: Jake is practicing, okay, hender shot. You know he's he's
Speaker 6: catching everything they throwing to him. So, uh, there's nothing
Speaker 6: more I can say. The other big kid is over
Speaker 6: there working with our guys, so you know, rehaving so
Speaker 6: uh that's about it. Sean mcke and he's okay. But
Speaker 6: the other two guys are they doing their jobs? You know,
Speaker 6: they're just not Dak's pet's pet rattlesnakes or whatever you
Speaker 6: want to call him.
Speaker 4: Before before we leave, Nate, we're running close on time.
Speaker 3: How how does four look? How does Dak look.
Speaker 7: Sharp?
Speaker 5: I'm talking about That's what I want to hear.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he looks sharp. Yeah, he looks Shock.
Speaker 4: McCarthy just in his hip pocket every practice, every play.
Speaker 6: Right there, with every practice, man, I mean every practice,
Speaker 6: he acted him what he saw, how.
Speaker 7: He feel and and uh I love it.
Speaker 6: Dak take off, Jog and when Dak take off, John
Speaker 6: and Coach is kind of you know, a real fast behind.
Speaker 7: Him and left.
Speaker 5: He didn't want them seguys like Dion got you know,
Speaker 5: he didn't get with him.
Speaker 7: Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 3: All right, nay.
Speaker 6: I remember the first day he tried to job. The
Speaker 6: first day he tried to jog with him and down,
Speaker 6: so he just waved his head like.
Speaker 7: Shot shot. Way.
Speaker 4: Oh well, Date, this has been great man. You're gonna
Speaker 4: come back Friday, Friday and talk to us.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Jessic should be out here soon, so we should
Speaker 7: have half.
Speaker 5: Yeah, then you had. I'm trying to get out next week.
Speaker 3: Next week, all right, well cool, when hurdle, I'll be.
Speaker 5: A little bavie. I'll be like Tuesday, Monday, Thursday.
Speaker 7: Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 3: All right, Nate, appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Jesse awesome. Thanks for showing up.
Speaker 4: Thanks for being here, Nate, thanks for calling in, brother Will.
Speaker 5: Thanks you give us a fist bunk, thanks.
Speaker 3: For getting us up on me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they give us a fifth buck.
Speaker 5: Look at that. Look at.
Speaker 4: Those are some Those are some ripping adventure.
Speaker 6: Eat when you when you cook your fried chicken and
Speaker 6: put it in flow.
Speaker 5: Look at keeping us on the air.
Speaker 3: Thanks to everybody in the back. Thanks for everybody in
Speaker 3: the studio.
Speaker 4: We will be back on Friday, same time, same place,
Speaker 4: and another one hundred plus degree day here in Dallas.
Speaker 4: Nate in his little seventy degree hut out there in Knoxnard.
Speaker 4: We'll see you Friday.
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