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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Oh, here we go into another evening and the NFL.

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Speaker 3: On Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: And what a perfect time to be setting up Sunday

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Speaker 2: night football with the Minnesota Vikings taking on the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 2: Not just great stories, but you know, I know a

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Speaker 2: guy who played for this team not too long ago,

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Speaker 2: and I'm so excited Kyle Rudolph. We've been talking about

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Speaker 2: it all year long. No, he's healthy by now. I'm

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Speaker 2: so excited for the return of Justin Jefferson on primetime

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Speaker 2: so that everybody can watch him play football tonight.

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Speaker 2: Wait, I'm sorry, what's that I'm hearing in my wait? Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, he's not playing tonight, Kyle, Please explain.

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Speaker 4: Say they play again in primetime next week, so you're

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Speaker 4: gonna have to wait another eight days because they play

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Speaker 4: on Monday against the Bears, eight days from tonight. So again,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's been topic of our conversation the last

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Speaker 4: few weeks, and you know it'll be interesting. I certainly

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Speaker 4: expect the Vikings to go out play well in Denver,

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Speaker 4: you know, against a team that's played well the last

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Speaker 4: couple of weeks. But you know, nobody's hotter in the

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Speaker 4: NFL right now than this Vikings team. And it's like,

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Speaker 4: as the wins continue to mout and my opinion, the

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Speaker 4: pressure just continues to build on the organization to get

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Speaker 4: something done to make sure that he gets out on

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Speaker 4: the field. You know, we've talked about it. You know

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Speaker 4: my stance. He certainly looks healthy to me. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's just a matter of getting that conversation, getting that

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Speaker 4: contract all finished, get him back out on the field.

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Speaker 2: on tonight's game as the Vikings and Broncos get ready

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Speaker 2: to take on one another with Kyle Rudolph, Mark Willard

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Speaker 2: tonight Fox Sports Radio. So glad you're with us, But

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Speaker 2: I want to start with this. I'm sorry. I'm a

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Speaker 2: big fan of Robert Sala I really am. His roots

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Speaker 2: are with the forty nine ers, and he was a

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Speaker 2: fantastic defensive coordinator with this team in San Francisco not

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Speaker 2: too long ago.

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Speaker 3: And I largely think that.

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Speaker 2: He's done a very good job in culture changing with

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Speaker 2: the Jets, and that's exactly what his main job was.

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Speaker 2: And they did address the quarterback position in the offseason,

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Speaker 2: and they had.

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Speaker 3: A very very bad break just four plays into the year.

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Speaker 2: And I also know he's the head coach, it's not

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Speaker 2: necessarily the general manager. But we came out of the

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Speaker 2: gate as a show, Kyle, and I thought you were

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Speaker 2: really ahead of the curve in talking about what the

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Speaker 2: Jets could and should do at the quarterback position once

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers went down. Maybe some of it was mythical,

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Speaker 2: maybe some of it was hard to execute, and I

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Speaker 2: understand that, and so you duct tape it together and

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Speaker 2: you do what you can do for the time being,

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Speaker 2: which I'd argue they did a great job of that.

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Speaker 2: They stole a couple of games, and so they were

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Speaker 2: still very much alive in the AFC based on where

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Speaker 2: things sat as recently as a week and a half ago.

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Speaker 2: But now there's this and you watch this team play football,

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Speaker 2: and I thought the Bills minus seven was the easiest

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Speaker 2: pick on the entire board because you knew that the

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Speaker 2: Bills were going to play desperate, they were gonna want

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Speaker 2: to rally back. And if you've been watching the finer

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Speaker 2: points of the Jets, you know that it has been

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Speaker 2: smoke and mirrors all over the place this year. But Kyle,

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Speaker 2: for me, once they got to four and four, they

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Speaker 2: had to do something. I don't even know what was

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Speaker 2: to do something. This whole idea of Aaron Rodgers returning

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Speaker 2: in December sounds really great, but it's always been dot

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Speaker 2: dot dot. If they're in it, they're not gonna be

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Speaker 2: in it because the field presence for Zach Wilson is

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Speaker 2: some of the worst I've ever seen at the NFL level,

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Speaker 2: especially from a high pick. I'm not here to torch

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Speaker 2: the guy. I'm just here to say the Jets should

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Speaker 2: have done something different at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 4: And if you look at timing, they beat the Giants

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Speaker 4: on I believe it was Sunday, the twenty ninth. Halloween

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Speaker 4: the trade deadline, the first so you beat the Giants

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Speaker 4: thirteen to ten to go to four and three, and

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Speaker 4: you know, we certainly know that the Giants have given

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Speaker 4: thirteen points, and you know you're right there. Two days later,

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Speaker 4: the Vikings traded a seventh round pick for Josh Dobbs.

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Speaker 4: How do you think Josh Dobbs would be doing if

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Speaker 4: he was in New York right now and playing against

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Speaker 4: certainly would have liked to see them do something. In

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Speaker 4: my mind, that's that was the time to do it.

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Speaker 4: You only score thirteen points against the Giants, Yes, you

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Speaker 4: get the win. You're you're right there on the verge

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Speaker 4: of the trade deadline. You know I mentioned that one

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Speaker 4: because it happened two days later, and you know that

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Speaker 4: that was the week that Kirk blew out his achilles,

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Speaker 4: So you know, the Vikings were forced to do something

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Speaker 4: you know, if you're a Jets fan, certainly you would

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Speaker 4: love to have a guy like Josh Dobbs under center

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Speaker 4: right now than what you're seeing out of Zach Wilson.

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Speaker 2: No doubt, Josh Dobbs is a great idea. I can

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Speaker 2: think of a couple more. I don't know what their

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Speaker 2: be willing to give up Andy Dalton?

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Speaker 3: I mean, why not? Why not? Why would you not

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Speaker 2: If you could at the deadline, when your whole future

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Speaker 2: one and eight whatever they were, You're obviously not going

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Speaker 2: I don't know where the Raiders necessarily were with with

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo, and I don't even know how much that

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Speaker 2: satisfies things. But Robert sal and Garoppolo have obviously worked together,

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Speaker 2: I'm just spitballing here, but I can promise you this,

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Speaker 2: as much as Garoppolo has become a punchline the last

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks and Andy Dalton's a forgotten guy, boy,

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Speaker 2: they would do a lot better than what Zach Wilson

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Speaker 2: He did finally get a catch and then he fumbled

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Speaker 2: synchronicity has never ever come together. And that locker room,

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Speaker 2: which is a good locker room. Sala's got a good

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Speaker 2: think the whole landscape the AFC would look different if

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 4: And I think one other thing that's worth noting, especially

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Speaker 4: with Deshaun Watson being out with a season ending injury.

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Speaker 4: We talked about it last week after the game. I

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Speaker 4: you could tell his delivery was different. Ultimately, he's done

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Speaker 4: tears tendons in his wrist on Thursday night. You know,

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Speaker 4: we added an extra week to the season, the season

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Speaker 4: the same spot of this season. It's you know, in

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Speaker 4: consider moving it back. You know, I think ultimately Thanksgiving

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Speaker 4: kind of makes sense. You know, maybe mid to late November,

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Speaker 4: you know, that's certainly a conversation for a different time.

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Speaker 4: But you know, at something that I would love to

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Speaker 3: No doubt.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Josh Dobbs would have been a very interesting

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Speaker 2: incredibly interesting. Now, maybe they didn't know exactly the extent

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Speaker 3: They knew enough that when they put.

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Speaker 3: While PJ.

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Speaker 2: Walker, you know, I mean, he has certainly put forth

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Speaker 2: an interesting effort. Dtr is an interesting rookie. All of

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Speaker 2: be honest, there's seven and three. Where are they going?

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Speaker 2: The defense can carry them somewhere, they're not going to

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Speaker 2: many elite teams in the AFC to take the seven

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Speaker 4: Seriously, Yeah, and I think that can be said for

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Speaker 4: a lot of teams. You know, them and the Bengals. Now,

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Speaker 4: ultimately that's that's a team that's that's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 4: Quite honestly, in my mind, the best thing for them

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Speaker 4: would be losing a lot of games the rest of

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Speaker 4: the football season so you can get a good draft pick.

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Speaker 4: You know, we talk about all the time how hard

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Speaker 4: it is to build a roster around a fifty five

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Speaker 3: The kickoff of Sunday Night Football. We need a pick.

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Speaker 2: And we're not done with the Jets because Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: All right, these arethetirag dot com studios where we talk

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Speaker 2: Sunday night. Hope it's been an awesome weekend and maybe

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Speaker 2: I hope it's all about family this week, so wishing

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Speaker 4: Thank you. This is my first Thanksgiving off in a

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Speaker 4: go all the time. He knows he has to get

436
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Speaker 4: out of his hands, especially if he's playing with the

437
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Speaker 4: Achilles injury, knowing that he can't take hits, you know,

438
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Speaker 4: so I certainly believe he can do it, you know,

439
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Speaker 4: I just you know, we talked about it earlier. I

440
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 4: just don't know that the Jets are still going to

441
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 4: be in this playoff picture around Christmas, which ultimately feels

442
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 4: like that's the time that he would come back, and

443
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 4: you know, he gets that three week practice window that

444
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 4: I would assume would open up sometime in December. He

445
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 4: can test it out on the practice field, see how

446
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 4: much he can do, how much he can move, before

447
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 4: he gets back out and plays. But ultimately, I just

448
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: I don't see the Jets anywhere near five hundred at

449
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Speaker 4: Christmas time, which you would think in the AFC, that's

450
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Speaker 4: what you have to be at least around five hundred

451
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Speaker 4: to have a chance to getting in the playoffs as

452
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Speaker 4: a wildcard team.

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Speaker 3: You know who I don't bet against. His name is

454
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Speaker 3: Steve de Sager.

455
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Speaker 2: Steve de Sager, I do not bet against because he

456
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Speaker 2: shows up every hour and has something to say.

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Speaker 3: And here it is good evening, gentlemen.

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Speaker 6: We've got a great football day well underway. We've got

459
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Speaker 6: the game in Denver underway, and it's already Broncos three

460
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Speaker 6: nothing in the opening minutes against a minute Conesota Vikings

461
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Speaker 6: team that's won five in a row. Minnesota did not

462
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Speaker 6: activate wide receiver Justin Jefferson this weekend, still on ir

463
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 6: with the bad hamstring. Joshua Dobbs at quarterback. Here a

464
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 6: three play drive to open things, and he fumbled on

465
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Speaker 6: two of the three plays. The second fumbles actually recovered

466
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Speaker 6: by the defense. Denver turned it into the thirty one

467
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 6: yard field goal from Will Lutz and the three to

468
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Speaker 6: nothing early lead at home. By the way, on the

469
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Speaker 6: hit that forced the fumble, it looked like forcible contact

470
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Speaker 6: lowering the head. No plague called, and Denver has the lead. Meanwhile,

471
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Speaker 6: San Francisco wins, Seattle blows a fourth quarter lead and

472
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Speaker 6: loses Niners at seven. And three, now a game ahead

473
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Speaker 6: of Seattle in the division standings. At Rams, victory was

474
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Speaker 6: seventeen sixteen over the Seattle Seahawks, who missed a late

475
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Speaker 6: fifty five yard field goal attempt, and quarterback Gino Smith,

476
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Speaker 6: after a bruised Delbo, did return for the last drive.

477
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Speaker 6: He was asked, though his coach Pete Carroll, is Gino

478
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Speaker 6: going to be playing and as you mentioned a Thursday

479
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 6: night game coming up this week? He says, I have

480
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 6: no idea, but with Thursday games, you worry about everybody

481
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 6: coming back. Every guy on your team hard to do.

482
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 6: Running Back Kenneth Walker of Seattle left with an oblique

483
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Speaker 6: strain early. His coach said Walker couldn't.

484
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: Move hardly with it.

485
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Speaker 6: He left in the first quarter did not return, so

486
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Speaker 6: that puts his availability in question for Thursday. Meanwhile, in

487
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Speaker 6: the San Francisco win twenty seven fourteen over Tampa Bay,

488
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 6: brock Purty three touchdown passes, he was twenty one of

489
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Speaker 6: twenty five three hundred thirty three yards, sacked four times.

490
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Speaker 6: George Kittle with eight receptions eighty nine yards in a

491
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Speaker 6: score touchdown reception for Christian McCaffrey. He also had seventy

492
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Speaker 6: eight yards rushing Buffalo thirty two to six winners against

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Speaker 6: the Jets Bills at Philadelphia next Sunday. By the way,

494
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Speaker 6: Houston a twenty one sixteen win against Arizona, which is

495
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Speaker 6: still winless on the road, oh and six and to

496
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Speaker 6: a nine overall.

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Speaker 3: C J.

498
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Speaker 6: Stroud three hundred thirty six yards passing, two touchdowns, three interceptions. However,

499
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Speaker 6: he's close to three thousand yards passing already his rookie

500
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 6: year in his first ten career games almost three thousand

501
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Speaker 6: yards passing that is the fourth most ever by a

502
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Speaker 6: QB in their first ten. Patrick Mahomes, of course, leads

503
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Speaker 6: that list, just ahead of Justin Herbert and Andrew Luck

504
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 6: when they started their careers. Jacksonville thirty four fourteen winners

505
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 6: against Tennessee, Dallas and the Giants, each one on the

506
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Speaker 6: road home victories from Miami and Green Bay, which beat

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Speaker 6: the Chargers twenty three to twenty on a touchdown pass

508
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Speaker 6: with about two and a half minutes left. Linebacker Joey

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Speaker 6: Bosa La left early with a foot injury. Detroit came

510
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Speaker 6: back with a late touchdown to beat Chicago thirty one

511
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Speaker 6: twenty six. Cleveland kicked a field goal in the final

512
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Speaker 6: seconds to down Pittsburgh thirteen to ten. Coming up Monday night,

513
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Speaker 6: Philadelphia is at Kansas City, chance of raign temperature in

514
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Speaker 6: the low forties to college football Syracuse fired coach Dino Babers.

515
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 6: The team has lost six of seven. Among the many

516
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Speaker 6: NBA games, Philadelphia now ten and three one at the

517
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 6: Nets one twenty one to ninety nine. Joel Embiid with

518
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Speaker 6: thirty two points. Cleveland beat Denver one twenty one to

519
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Speaker 6: one oh nine. In college basketball number five yukon a

520
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 6: winner over Indiana seventy seven to fifty seven. Nineteenth ranked

521
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 6: Texas edge Louisville eighty one eighty. And there was an

522
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Speaker 6: NHL game this morning in Sweden, won in overtime by

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Speaker 6: Toronto beating Minnesota four to three. Minnesota Vikings down three

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Speaker 6: to nothing. As we approach mid first quarter at Denver tonight,

525
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 6: back to you.

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Speaker 2: Yep, thanks Steve, great stuff as always. Josh Dobbs with

527
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: a fumble on the opening possession for the Minnesota Vikings.

528
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: It turned into three points for the Denver Broncos. Is

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Speaker 2: probably going to turn into some sort of a fine

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Speaker 2: uh forum, Is that was that? Kareem Jackson? I believe Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Kareem Jackson. I you know, I real quick on this, Kyle.

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Speaker 2: I wonder what your thoughts are. I get very sort

533
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Speaker 2: of confused, but I feel like I'm riding the fence

534
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: when we get to this rule in the NFL, the

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Speaker 2: lowering of the head, the leading.

536
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Speaker 3: With the crown, the helmet to helmet stuff.

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Speaker 2: I fully understand for players who are in a vulnerable position,

538
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: like receivers going up for the ball. It's a little

539
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: bit different when somebody is a runner in the open field.

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Speaker 2: And I also know that helmets sometimes collide. I mean,

541
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Speaker 2: you get these big, huge bulbs on your heads and

542
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna connect with one another. And that does not

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Speaker 2: necessarily mean we're going crown to crown. But I also

544
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: know that Jackson's been fined, he's been ejected, he's been

545
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: suspended for lowering his head and launching already this year.

546
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Speaker 2: And he did it again. However, it was not flagged.

547
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: Dobbs was a runner. It turned into three points for

548
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Speaker 2: his team, so I bet he'd do it again.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting thing here because quite honestly,

550
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: the game's on Sunday night football, and when you have

551
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 4: this many eyes on it, that many camera angles, they

552
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 4: slow it down, they replay it. You pair that with

553
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 4: a repeat defender who's already been suspended twice for unnecessary

554
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Speaker 4: roughness and been ejected a couple of times. I think

555
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 4: ultimately it'll probably just be a pretty hefty fine for Kareem.

556
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: But at the same time, Kareem's, you know, one of

557
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Speaker 4: the more veteran players in the NFL. He's been around

558
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 4: for a long time. He plays the game a certain way.

559
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Speaker 4: And you know, Josh Dobbs is a runner at that point.

560
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Speaker 4: He's a running back. He's not a quarterback in the pocket.

561
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Speaker 4: He's not a receiver trying to go up in a

562
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Speaker 4: defenseless player making a catch. You know, he's a runner,

563
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 4: and you know he's he's coming in and putting his

564
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 4: helmet right into his chest and you know, again, like

565
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: you said, you wear helmets, you play football. Sometimes you're

566
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 4: umits are gonna hit face mask, helmet, you know, maybe

567
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: not be intentional, but ultimately I think he's gonna pay

568
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: the price of a primetime game and a lot of eyes,

569
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Speaker 4: especially from the league, watching it, and they really come

570
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: down on repeat offenders. You know, they're going to force

571
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: you either by keeping you off the field through suspension

572
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: or just significantly increasing the fines to where you decide

573
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: ultimately either stop playing or you change the way you play.

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Speaker 2: That's called the dream, the dreamond Green rule. Actually, whenever

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00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: you yeah, you have the repeat offender rule.

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Speaker 3: And so I agree with you completely.

577
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Speaker 2: And this is maybe not even known to a lot

578
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: of the fans out there, but these fines get tossed

579
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: out all over the league every week for stuff you

580
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't even realize, Like, you know, Jalen Warren of the Steelers,

581
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: we talked about it a week or two ago. He's

582
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: been fired a bunch of money so far this year

583
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: just for blocks that are happening on routine pass plays,

584
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: stuff that the fan eyes aren't even really watching. And

585
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: so anytime guys are doing that where it's lowering the

586
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: helmet and throwing it into an opponent, they've been fining

587
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: guys ten thousand dollars, fifteen thousand dollars, twenty thousand dollars.

588
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: This stuff just gets thrown out around the league and

589
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: not widely publicized, and so whether or not it's flagged,

590
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Speaker 2: I think that's kind of the way our minds tend

591
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Speaker 2: to work.

592
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: So they give us flagged.

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Speaker 2: Ah, it's going to go to the league office and

594
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: they'll be a fine no a lot of times. It's

595
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: even when it's not flagged a lot of times. And

596
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: so I'm with you. I think we got another one

597
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: of those scenarios right here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Actually, the I'd read something this past week Josh

599
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: Jacobs got fined for the second time this year as

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Speaker 4: a ball carrier for leading with his helmet when he

601
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Speaker 4: was a runner. Right, So yeah, certainly there's there's fine

602
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 4: that get handed out all the time on plays that

603
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: aren't flagged as unnecessary roughness penalties during the game. So again,

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised to see his name come across

605
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Speaker 4: the tweet this coming week with a pretty hefty fine

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Speaker 4: attached to it.

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Speaker 2: Tyrog dot Com Studios along with Kyle Rudolph, I'm Mark Willard.

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Speaker 2: Glad you're with us on a Sunday night. There is

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Speaker 2: a lot to get to, a lot of really interesting conversations.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to coming up next. The team that

611
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: didn't look very good today but proved a whole lot

612
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Speaker 2: in the process. That's next on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're in the tyrag dot Com Studios. Mark Willard Kyle,

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Speaker 2: Rudolph Kyle tell me this, when a team is not

615
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Speaker 2: at its best, maybe they trail the whole game, maybe

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Speaker 2: they have an uninspired performance against a team that they

617
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Speaker 2: are supposed to roll. All of that come together, untimely turnovers,

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Speaker 2: it's just as Mama said, one of those days.

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Speaker 3: And then at the end of all of that, you win.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, what does that say about your team?

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Speaker 4: I think it talks about the mentality and the makeup

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Speaker 4: of the team. And when we talk about the Detroit Lions,

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Speaker 4: we talk about their head coach, and you know, maybe

624
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 4: he doesn't do things like a lot of professional football

625
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 4: coaches that we've seen over the years. Maybe he doesn't

626
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: sound like them when he talks in his press conferences.

627
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Speaker 4: Maybe he doesn't do the way do things the way

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Speaker 4: other coaches do at practice. And you know, we saw

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Speaker 4: a lot of that in Hard Knocks. So I feel

630
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Speaker 4: like this Detroit Lions team is a team that we've

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Speaker 4: really gotten an inside look at as they've been built

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Speaker 4: over the last two and a half three years. And

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Speaker 4: I think it just proves the the fouritude and toughness

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00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 4: of this team. You know, certainly going into the game today,

635
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 4: you know they're big time favorites against a division opponent

636
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 4: in the Chicago Bears. But also anytime you play these

637
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 4: division games, you know they're they're not easy games. And

638
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: then when you turn the ball over, throw three picks

639
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Speaker 4: almost through a fourth one that probably would have been

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00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 4: a pick six, it's very easy to down twelve points

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Speaker 4: late in the fourth quarter. You know, all right, they

642
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 4: they got us. Today was not our day. We turned

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Speaker 4: the football over. Like the narrative writ Roade itself, you know,

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00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: you can't turn the ball over. You gotta take care

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Speaker 4: of it. You know, if we don't play our best football,

646
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 4: we can lose to anybody. YadA, YadA, YadA. Dan Campbell's

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Speaker 4: locker room speech would have been probably one of the

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Speaker 4: easiest speeches he ever had to give after a loss.

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Speaker 4: And yet this team just and really Jared Goff. And

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Speaker 4: maybe it's because Jared Goff has kind of just always

651
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Speaker 4: been pushed aside. You know, he never really got a

652
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Speaker 4: lot of credit when he was putting up insane numbers

653
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Speaker 4: with the Rams, and then he gets shipped off to

654
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Speaker 4: Detroit ultimately to be forgotten about. While Matthew Stafford comes

655
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Speaker 4: into La wins the Super Bowl in his first year

656
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Speaker 4: in LA and it's like, aha, see, Jared was the problem.

657
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 4: It was the quarterback, you know, not to mention all

658
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 4: the other pieces that they added that year, and you

659
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: know just kind of how they played towards the end

660
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 4: of that season. And yet here's Jared Goff just week

661
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Speaker 4: after week battling. You know, hadn't really turned the ball

662
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Speaker 4: over a whole lot until today, and you know, certainly

663
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 4: the three turnovers are not ideal for him. But they

664
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Speaker 4: come and score seventeen unanswered points in the fourth quarter

665
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Speaker 4: to get a big win in the division.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing.

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Speaker 2: I looked at all of it, and you could if

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Speaker 2: you're following the Detroit Lions, who buy they have now

669
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: won fifteen of their last nineteen games.

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Speaker 3: Let that percolate for a second.

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Speaker 2: The Detroit Lions have won fifteen of their last nineteen

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Speaker 2: football games going.

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Speaker 3: Back to last year.

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Speaker 2: You could watch the game and there's plenty about which

675
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: to be concerned. There's plenty to look at and go, gosh,

676
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: this doesn't look right. Justin fields was able to do

677
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: some things against that defense, for sure, and it all

678
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Speaker 2: starts with Jared Goff, who was very uncharacteristic in this game,

679
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: as you said, but for them to then look the

680
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Speaker 2: way that they did in the final ten minutes of

681
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Speaker 2: that game, calm, cool, collected, and the execution fantastic and

682
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Speaker 2: you pull out the win. It's like you can look

683
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: at that and go, oh, the Lions have concerns, and

684
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Speaker 2: I just sort of look at it the opposite, which

685
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: is one of the characteristics of a really really legitimate

686
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Speaker 2: team in any sport, is that team that goes out

687
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Speaker 2: and wins when they don't have their best stuff.

688
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: And so.

689
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Speaker 2: While we sit here and have this season long quite

690
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Speaker 2: frankly because it was in the preseason two, ever since

691
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 2: the NFC title game in Philadelphia last year, it's all

692
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: been the talk Eagles and Niners, who's gonna get the

693
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Speaker 2: one seed this year? And that conversation continues, especially with

694
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Speaker 2: a big Eagles.

695
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Speaker 3: Game at Arrowhead tomorrow night.

696
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Speaker 2: And I keep trying to tell people, don't forget about

697
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 2: the team that's sitting at eight and two and has

698
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: the easiest schedule of the group by far, because they're

699
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Speaker 2: gonna be hanging out with the Bears and the Packers

700
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Speaker 2: and all of that, not playing a first place schedule,

701
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Speaker 2: they do have to go to Dallas they do have

702
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Speaker 2: a couple of games against the Vikings, but it's Bears,

703
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Speaker 2: it's Packers, it's Bears again, it's it's Broncos. It's winnable

704
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: games for Detroit the rest of the way, and I'd

705
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Speaker 2: be shocked if they don't end up with at least

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Speaker 2: thirteen wins.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you, and you know, certainly, when you

708
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Speaker 4: have a team that finds ways to win games when

709
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 4: they don't have their best stuff, it just continues to

710
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Speaker 4: build momentum. And you're not gonna have your best stuff

711
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: every Sunday in the NFL. But if you can find

712
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 4: ways to win games in the last five minutes of

713
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Speaker 4: a fourth quarter, you know, when your best stuff is needed,

714
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 4: you're ultimately gonna find it. And you know, I just again,

715
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Speaker 4: I think it's a testament to the makeup of that team,

716
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 4: their head coach, their quarterback. And I couldn't agree more

717
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: with the point of the remaining schedule. You know they'll

718
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 4: they'll bounce back. They got a short week this week.

719
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Speaker 4: They host Green Bay on Thanksgiving, a game where even

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Speaker 4: when the Lions were the Lions for the longest time,

721
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Speaker 4: they always played tough on Thanksgivings. A huge game for

722
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Speaker 4: the city of Detroit. And then again, you're at Saints

723
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Speaker 4: at Bears, Broncos, a couple against the Vikings and the Cowboys,

724
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Speaker 4: So certainly you would expect Detroit to be right there

725
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Speaker 4: in competition for the one seed in the NFC come

726
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Speaker 4: Christmas time.

727
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it, all right.

728
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Speaker 2: And then there's this if they are the and I

729
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: don't even know if it's the right word, but if

730
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Speaker 2: they are one of the great overachievers in the NFL

731
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Speaker 2: this year, let's talk about the absolute bests underachiever in

732
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Speaker 2: the NFL this year, and quite frankly, maybe every year.

733
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: Their season probably went to die today and there's fascinating

734
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Speaker 2: audio and tons of rumors surrounding that team. So we'll

735
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Speaker 2: get to that coming up next Around the Bend with

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Speaker 2: Kyle Rudolph Mark Willard Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: It's especially true in sports.

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Speaker 3: True in sports.

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Speaker 2: An underachiever, Wow, I would be so offended if anybody

746
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747
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748
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749
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Speaker 2: can't execute, You can't make good on all the promises that.

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Speaker 3: Are sitting there for you.

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Speaker 2: I've talked to so many people in football coaches through

758
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: the years who will tell you that the most important

759
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: position on the defensive side of the ball is a

760
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: great edge rusher. The most important position on the offensive

761
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: side of the ball. You don't need to be a

762
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: coach to know that it's quarterback. So when you have

763
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: got two elite edge rushers and an elite thrower of

764
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: the football, a great quarterback. When you have all that,

765
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Speaker 2: When you have all that, well, then how on earth

766
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Speaker 2: can you be four and six?

767
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Speaker 3: I don't get it.

768
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Speaker 2: The Los Angeles Chargers, to me, are just completely wayward

769
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Speaker 2: right now.

770
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Speaker 3: I understand some of the issues.

771
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: I know Joey Bosa, one of the great elite edge

772
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Speaker 2: rushers they have.

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Speaker 3: I know he was hurt in this game and it

774
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Speaker 3: didn't good.

775
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Speaker 2: I don't have any official update on that, but he

776
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: was sobbing when he left on a cart in the

777
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 2: game at Green Bay today. But this team, every year,

778
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: it feels like they've got so much promise, and I,

779
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: for one, I'm just done believing the promises because it's

780
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Speaker 2: an organization that finds okay to underachieve every single year.

781
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Mark, and I feel like this is a team

782
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Speaker 4: that when we talk about the AFC West, a division

783
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Speaker 4: that's been just dominated by the Kansas City Chiefs over

784
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 4: you know, almost the last decade, but really for the

785
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 4: last five to seven years, and yet for the last

786
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 4: four years, maybe five years since Justin Herbert's been at

787
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: Los Angeles Chargers quarterback, every offseason we hear about the

788
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Speaker 4: AFC West and what the Raiders and the Broncos have

789
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Speaker 4: to do to keep up with the Chargers and the Chiefs,

790
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Speaker 4: and it's like, hold on a second, Like what when

791
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: did the Chargers ever get into that category, and we've

792
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 4: just always anointed them as one of the best teams

793
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Speaker 4: every time you talk about one of the best teams

794
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Speaker 4: in the AFC. Somehow they find a way to be

795
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 4: mentioned in that category going into every season and then

796
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 4: ultimately were let down. You know, certainly we've had the

797
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 4: conversations about some of the decision making by the head coach.

798
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Speaker 4: We've had conversations about how this defense with two of

799
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Speaker 4: the best edge rushers in the game right now, one

800
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 4: of the best all purpose safeties in the game right now,

801
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 4: two really really good linebackers that run around and fly

802
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 4: to the football, how they can't stop anybody. And when

803
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 4: you ultimately go on the road at Lambeau and play

804
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 4: against the three and six Green Bay team, you can't

805
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 4: stop them, you know, critical points in the game, and

806
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 4: certainly don't score enough points. Some uncharacteristic drops in that

807
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 4: game by Keenan Allen force him to settle for field goals.

808
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 4: They just couldn't score enough touchdowns in the red zone.

809
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 4: But again, it's it's one of these teams where at

810
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Speaker 4: the beginning of every year, as we talk about the

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Speaker 4: supremacy in the AFC, somehow they're mentioned and you know

812
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Speaker 4: for what reason. They haven't given us any reason that

813
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Speaker 4: he mentioned in that category.

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Speaker 2: Well, and their head coach is a lightning rod, which

815
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: is interesting because I bet he could be standing next

816
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: to most of you in the grocery store and you

817
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't even know it was him. But his name is

818
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: synonymous with going forward on fourth down when you probably shouldn't,

819
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: the over analytics of sports, and also a little bit

820
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: of a stubborn I think way about those things. Whenever

821
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: he is questioned after games, he doesn't seem to handle

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Speaker 2: that very very gracefully.

823
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Speaker 3: And that's fine.

824
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: You can be stubborn, you can be the smartest person

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Speaker 2: in the room.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

827
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 2: The coaches in football they do know more than us.

828
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Speaker 2: But the questions I think sometimes are fair. And he

829
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to love that idea of being questioned. And

830
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: it happened again today. Take a listen to Brandon Staley,

831
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Speaker 2: the head coach of the Chargers, when he was asked

832
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Speaker 2: after the game if he would.

833
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Speaker 3: To continue to call the plays on defense.

834
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Speaker 7: I have full confidence, like I've told you, and like

835
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Speaker 7: I told you from the beginning, I have full confidence

836
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 7: in our way of playing, full confidence in myself is

837
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 7: the play caller, and the way that we teach and

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00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 7: the way that we scheme full confidence in that we

839
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Speaker 7: got to bring this group together and do it consistently. Okay,

840
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Speaker 7: And that's where it's at. So you can stop asking

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00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 7: that question. Okay, I'm going to be calling the defenses. Okay,

842
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 7: so we're clear. So you don't have to ask that again.

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00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, Well we're clear.

844
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Speaker 2: What I'm not clear on actually is if you're gonna

845
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: be calling them next year, because the the rumors are

846
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 2: getting loud and and the Chargers have not been named

847
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: very often here, but I'm sure you've heard the rumblings

848
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: of like Bill Belichick is gonna coach next year, but

849
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: it might be a different team, and it's it's unnamed,

850
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 2: it's an unnamed other team out there, and and maybe

851
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: he'd like to get to the other side of the

852
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: country and and and just get a completely fresh start.

853
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: And I'm starting to for two reasons. One, I have

854
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: heard whispers that the Chargers could could be an interesting

855
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: spot for him, and who it actually just makes all

856
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: the sense in the world. You tell me if you

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Speaker 2: think Bill Belichick, who has had no no walk in

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00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: the park with the Patriots without Tom Brady either. But

859
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: you tell me what he could do with Joey Bosa

860
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Speaker 2: on one end and Khalil Mack on the other end.

861
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Speaker 2: Tell me if it would look any better than this.

862
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I would take it a step further. And

863
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Speaker 4: you know we talked about Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack,

864
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 4: but then you know Eric Kendricks and Derwin James, you

865
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Speaker 4: know those certainly I could promise you. I've played against

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Speaker 4: Bill Belichick. I know what he's gonna do with the

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Speaker 4: two rushers. They're not going to be standing on the

868
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 4: edge of the defense, rushing off the edge every play.

869
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 4: He's gonna find the weakest link on that offensive line

870
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 4: and they're going to rush and create isolated situations where

871
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 4: that offensive linement is blocking one of the best rushers

872
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 4: in football. It's what he did forever. And you know,

873
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 4: you'd see all the time these guys who would be

874
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 4: extremely productive in New England go on and sign a

875
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 4: big free agent contract somewhere else and ultimately disappear because

876
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 4: you know, it was the scheme that was getting them

877
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: in situations to put up these huge numbers and ultimately

878
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 4: get paid elsewhere in free agency. So from a defensive

879
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: stand point, it makes all the sense in the world

880
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 4: to bring in a defensive mind like Bill Belichick. But

881
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 4: when I think about the Chargers and the organization and

882
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 4: the direction that it's headed in, you know, you just

883
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: made Justin Herbert at the time, the highest paid quarterback

884
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 4: in football. You know, since it's gone, he's either two

885
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 4: or three now with Jalen Hurts and Joe Burrow. But

886
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 4: I just feel like you have to go bring in

887
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 4: an offensive mind. Ultimately, defensive head coaches have a way

888
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 4: of running a football team. And you know it's not

889
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 4: just because there are the calling plays, and you know

890
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 4: they may not even be calling the plays, like Bill

891
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 4: might not go there and call the plays, but there's

892
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 4: just a way that defensive coaches run an organization, make decisions,

893
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 4: and I feel like you would just be handicapping your

894
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: friendranchise player even longer. So you know, I think about

895
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 4: guys like Ben Johnson in Detroit, and you look what

896
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 4: he's done with Jared Goff the last few years. You know,

897
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 4: I think of a guy just up the coast there

898
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 4: in Seattle and Shane Waldron, a guy who was around

899
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: Sean McVay for a long time. You know, he's gonna

900
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 4: be back to back years most likely with what Gino

901
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 4: Smith going to the playoffs. So you know, those are

902
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 4: two names in my mind that if I'm the Los

903
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 4: Angeles Chargers, you know, yes, Bill Belichick is a great coach,

904
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 4: arguably the greatest coach of all time. But for us

905
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 4: and our roster and our team the way it's built,

906
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 4: and you know, Justin Herbert is our guy and we're

907
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 4: gonna do everything we can to get him over the

908
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 4: hump because you know, he's a guy that we could

909
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 4: talk about too. He's always mentioned in you know, this

910
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 4: elite category and he's certainly an elite thrower of the football.

911
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,959
Speaker 4: He has some of, if not the best arm talent

912
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 4: in the NFL. But it's you know, ultimately you look

913
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 4: at his resume. Besides that, you know, we got zero

914
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 4: playoff wins, So you know it's I think if you're

915
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 4: the Los Angeles Chargers, when you make the decision to

916
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 4: go in a different direction, I'm bringing in a young

917
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 4: offensive mine that can do everything to put my quarterback

918
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 4: in a situation to be successful.

919
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: Is the presence of Kellen Moore not enough? I mean,

920
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: you've got a big name offensive coordinator that you brought in.

921
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: And again, you're not wrong. Justin Herbert has not just

922
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: thought of as a really good quarterback. He is performing

923
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: seventeen touchdowns five picks. I think this was at the

924
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,479
Speaker 2: start of play. Today, he's one of the top rated

925
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: qbs in the NFL. Like statistically, he's right there has

926
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: a big name offensive coordinator. But for whatever reason, this hole,

927
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 2: the puzzle just doesn't all fit together.

928
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that was the hope. I think

929
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 4: the hope was that you bring in a big name,

930
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 4: young offensive coordinator like Kellen Moore to help your quarterback

931
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 4: take the next step. But you know, again, I just

932
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 4: talked about the way defensive head coaches operate, the way

933
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 4: they manage games, the way they make decisions. The offensive

934
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 4: coordinator can only do so much. And you know, certainly

935
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 4: your hope is that the offensive coordinator can come in

936
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 4: and put Justin Herbert in a system that allows him

937
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 4: to go out and have the most success. But I've

938
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 4: just I've been in those locker rooms with defensive head

939
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: coaches and I know the way they call games, the

940
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 4: way they think about situational football. And you know, for

941
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 4: me personally, if I'm the Los Angeles Chargers. I want

942
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 4: you know, honestly, I think they'd be better off with

943
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 4: Kellen Moore as their head coach. You know, it's like

944
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 4: you have a young guy like that who now every

945
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 4: decision that's made in the organization and on Sundays from

946
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 4: a game management standpoint is realistically made around your quarterback.

947
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 4: So you know, I again, I just mentioned Ben Johnson

948
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 4: and Shane Waldron as two really good young offensive coaches,

949
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 4: and I mean, you have one in your building, so

950
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 4: who knows, maybe by the end of the year we

951
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 4: might get to see that play out if things aren't

952
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 4: turned around in Los Angeles.

953
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957
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Speaker 2: I'm glad we're on the subject of Justin Herbert because

958
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: he and one other quarterback in the NFL are incredibly talented.

959
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 2: Yet they're also allowed to skate when their team doesn't

960
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: necessarily win, and we don't. We don't offer that same

961
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: latitude to a lot of the other quarterbacks in the league,

962
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: So I'd love to have that discussion with you. Would

963
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: do that Coming up next with Kyle Rudolph, Mark Willard.

964
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: It's Fox Sports Radio, all right, Jall, Happy holidays. We

965
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: are in the tire right dot Com studios with Kyle Rudolph.

966
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 3: I'm Mark Willard.

967
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: Very good evening to you wherever you are. Thank you

968
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: for spending some time with us. Week eleven in the

969
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: National Football League unfolding before our eyes, game and a

970
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 2: half still to go, Vikings and Broncos in a close

971
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: one in the first half, and then hell of a

972
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: Super Bowl rematch tomorrow night that we definitely want to

973
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: talk about. I'm not done with that Justin Herbert conversation though,

974
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: and it's not just Justin the other quarterback. I'm referring

975
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: to no surprises Josh Allen, and he got a victory today.

976
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 3: He's also been leading.

977
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: The NFL in turnovers for most of the year. I

978
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: want to be very outfront with this. I think both

979
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: of them are fantastic players, so that's not where this

980
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 2: conversation is going. I don't want to torch Justin Herbert

981
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: or Josh Allen for their records not being quote unquote

982
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: what their supposed to be. I just wonder what would

983
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 2: happen if other quarterbacks did this. And I've called it

984
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: all year long, a new word.

985
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: That I made up.

986
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: It's called draftism, and that is when a quarterback is

987
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: drafted in the top half of the first round, that

988
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: means he's probably got all kinds of base physical skills

989
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: that we can see, and therefore we take a long

990
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 2: time before we decide that that player is less than Now,

991
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 2: when a player is not drafted in the top half

992
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: of that first round, boy, you gotta bang us over

993
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: the head until we believe in something. Russell Wilson had

994
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: to do it, Lamar Jackson had to do it, and

995
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: my gosh, Brock Purdies having to do it right now.

996
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: We have to just bang people over the head until

997
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 2: they go, you know what, good player.

998
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 3: I'll just go ahead and buy it.

999
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: So like, what if what if Kirk Cousins were healthy

1000
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 2: and four and six?

1001
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 3: What would we say, Kyle?

1002
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 2: What would we say about Kirk Cousins if he were

1003
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: healthy and four and six.

1004
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 4: I've been in on that team before and then I

1005
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 4: know what was said. And you know, if he didn't

1006
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 4: play well in a primetime game, it was his fault

1007
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 4: that we lost. Or even if he did play well

1008
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 4: in a primetime game and we lost, maybe defensively they

1009
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 4: didn't play as well. I think back to a game

1010
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 4: in two thy eighteen. We lost to the Rams on

1011
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 4: Thursday night Football Week four, about one thousand yards of

1012
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,479
Speaker 4: total offense. It was like forty something to thirty eight,

1013
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 4: or maybe we both scored forty points. I don't remember.

1014
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 4: It was a shootout. We went up and down the field,

1015
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 4: up and down the field. That was the year the

1016
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 4: Rams played and lost to the Patriots in the Super Bowl,

1017
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 4: And yet it was you know, Kirk can't win primetime games.

1018
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 4: And you know, again to your point, you know, the

1019
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 4: public perception creates a narrative, and you know, some guys

1020
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 4: are on the good side of it, and some guys

1021
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 4: are on the side where no matter what they do,

1022
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 4: it seems like they're always trying to prove that narrative wrong.

1023
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 4: And there are other guys that things don't go their way,

1024
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 4: whether it's their fault or not, they kind of get

1025
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 4: the free pass.

1026
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 3: It's interesting.

1027
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: I was just looking at another stat This might raise

1028
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: your eyebrows. Now this is before today, so maybe it's

1029
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: not a great day to do this because this player

1030
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: had a great day. But prior to today, twenty one

1031
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: different quarterbacks in the NFL had double digit touchdown passes.

1032
00:57:55,160 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: Twenty one of them. Trevor Lawrence was not one of them. Okay,

1033
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence is not one of them. But find me

1034
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: someone who doesn't think that Lawrence is one of the

1035
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: top eight qbs in the NFL. You probably can't find

1036
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: that person because his team was six and three there

1037
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: in first place. He was branded the next big thing

1038
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: two years before he even got into the NFL. And

1039
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm not here to say that he's not fantastic. I

1040
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: think he's a really good young player. Although Richard Sherman

1041
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 2: kind of went in on him after his loss last

1042
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: week against the San Francisco forty nine ers, So maybe

1043
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: there are still some opinions out there. It's just interesting

1044
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: to me, and I would sort of suggest to all

1045
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: football watchers, when you see what you see, how is

1046
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: it being shaded or slanted based on where that player

1047
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: was drafted? And I think by and large, you've got

1048
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: a lot of players if they were drafted in the

1049
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: top fifteen, boy, when they do good things, we go

1050
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: crazy and just shower them with praise when they do

1051
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: bad things. Yeah, but fantastic player, No, no, no, I

1052
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: can see it. Fantastic player. But if you weren't drafted

1053
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: in the top half of that first round, you have

1054
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: got to not only bang people over the head to

1055
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: show them that you're good, you kind of need to

1056
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: fly like almost perfectly every week. You know the Purty story.

1057
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 2: They lost three football games in a row. He had

1058
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: a total of five interceptions. They were in the fourth quarter.

1059
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: There's no doubt that he was a little bit lesser

1060
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: than what he had been in his first whatever it was,

1061
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: twelve or thirteen games in the league. But to start

1062
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: questioning job status, to start saying, up, the balloon has

1063
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: been popped is crazy to me based on where this

1064
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 2: guy's numbers were, where the forty nine ers.

1065
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 3: Were, and so poof.

1066
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: Now you go eight days with two wins, six touchdown passes,

1067
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: no interceptions. He is by far and away the top

1068
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: rated quarterback in the NFL. And so that'll calm everyone

1069
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: down for now. But watch what happens. To me is

1070
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 2: one bad game on Thanksgiving in Seattle. Watch what happens.

1071
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: We will swing the pendulum right back in the other direction.

1072
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: I guarantee it.

1073
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. I got two thoughts. The first is, actually, it's

1074
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 4: funny that you mentioned that, because I think it was

1075
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 4: this past week. Ryan Clark on his podcast was talking

1076
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 4: about kind of the perception players get and how ultimately

1077
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 4: they like you can't avoid it, whether that's good or bad.

1078
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 4: You know, he was talking about how, you know you

1079
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 4: have a guy like Josh Dobbs who every team just

1080
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 4: ultimately has decided like, yeah, this guy's a backup, Like

1081
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 4: he's been a backup, and no matter what, he keeps

1082
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 4: going to all these different places. And he played really

1083
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 4: good football in Tennessee at the end of last year,

1084
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 4: then he played really good football on airs. Then he's

1085
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 4: playing really good football with Minnesota, and yet it was

1086
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 4: just ultimately people are like, well, he's always a backup,

1087
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 4: so you know, clearly he has to be a backup.

1088
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 4: And then it's like, so you have that perception of

1089
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 4: players that ultimately they can't seem to escape, whether it

1090
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 4: be good or bad. And you know, as you brought

1091
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 4: up brock Purty, and something that we talked about before

1092
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 4: we hopped on the show was you know, when when

1093
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 4: does brock Purty ultimately enter the MVP conversation. And you

1094
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 4: mentioned you mentioned those three games, and personally, I believe

1095
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 4: that was his chance to enter the MVP conversation. And

1096
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 4: now everyone will go back to all, well, no, see,

1097
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 4: I told you he's not MVP caliber, because look what

1098
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 4: happens when he doesn't have all of his guys out there.

1099
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 4: And my eyes, had he gone out there and won

1100
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 4: without everyone on those three games, now you're like, look,

1101
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 4: he is MVP, like he's the reason why that's going.

1102
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 4: But every single fan and media member is going to

1103
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 4: now look at those three games and be like, hold on,

1104
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,959
Speaker 4: we can't let him get in the MVP conversation because

1105
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 4: now they're winning again because he has everyone back, not

1106
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 4: because of him. So you know, ultimately, I feel like

1107
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 4: there was an opportunity there for Brock to to really

1108
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 4: establish himself as look, I am the guy, and it's

1109
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 4: not because of everyone else. Ultimately, he wasn't able to

1110
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 4: take advantage of it. But again, you know my feelings

1111
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 4: on Brock. I think he's a really good quarterback and

1112
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 4: certainly he's a big part of why it goes. I

1113
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 4: just don't think now he'll be able, especially in a

1114
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 4: year where you know, at what point we're talking about

1115
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 4: MVPs do we start talking about people besides quarterbacks? Because

1116
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 4: is there a quarterback this year that's really like put

1117
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 4: their stamp on it and been like, look, I'm the

1118
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 4: best quarterback in football, therefore.

1119
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: On the MVP this year.

1120
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: No, You're You're absolutely right, Like from from parties numbers

1121
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: to Mahomes and Hurt, who I think are still the

1122
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: favorites to win it. But I think we'd all agree

1123
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 2: it's like neither one of them are playing even as

1124
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: well as they did last year. But but but but

1125
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: we're sort of putting them as the favorites because I

1126
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 2: don't think we've got another choice.

1127
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 3: Burrows out, alan Is out, Yeah, I don't. And if

1128
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: we can't even wrap our head right right exactly.

1129
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 4: He's probably rookie numbers.

1130
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: Well, except for that's another example of what I'm talking about.

1131
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 3: If if you know, CJ.

1132
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,439
Speaker 2: Stroud wins a game today, but they score twenty one

1133
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: and he throws three picks. Now, if Perdy or heck

1134
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 2: Golf did do that, although that's a bad example because

1135
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 2: he was an early pick too.

1136
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 3: If Purdy or or Dobbs or someone like that.

1137
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 2: Went out there, and and and through three picks, we'd

1138
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 2: be having a huge conversation about his viability going forward.

1139
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 3: No one's going to say that about Stroud. Nobody, no,

1140
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 3: and you why should they?

1141
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 4: By the way, Yeah, you watched the three picks, and

1142
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 4: you know one wasn't his fault, but two two were

1143
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,439
Speaker 4: rookie decisions. You know, for really the first time this year,

1144
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 4: he made a couple of throws that looked like a

1145
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 4: rookie quarterback. But you also compare that to his first half,

1146
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 4: and his first half he looked like one of the

1147
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 4: best quarterbacks in football. You know, he threw for almost

1148
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 4: I think it was over two hundred and fifty yards

1149
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 4: in the first half. You know, ultimately he finished with

1150
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 4: just over three hundred. But you know, it's like he

1151
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 4: made so many big plays and big throws that we

1152
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 4: we gave him the benefit of doubt on the two

1153
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 4: really bad The one in the red zone was was

1154
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 4: just a terrible decision, a terrible throw ultimately cost them

1155
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 4: cost them three points turning it over in the red zone.

1156
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 4: But he did enough, you know, he got him down

1157
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 4: the field, got another win late in the fourth quarter.

1158
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 4: And what do you do that No one talks you know,

1159
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 4: we're back to the Jared Golf conversation where hey, you

1160
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 4: played well enough down the stretch to get a win.

1161
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 4: Certainly can't turn the ball over three times. But guess

1162
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 4: what all that matters is when you look up at

1163
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 4: this scoreboard. We had twenty one, they had sixteen. So

1164
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 4: we give you the benefit of the doubt. Don't do

1165
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 4: it again.

1166
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: Speaking of veteran presence, Steve Desager, everybody, let's find out

1167
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 2: what's trending here.

1168
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 3: He is. What's going on? Steve? Good evening again, gentlemen.

1169
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 6: We're in the final minute of the first half of

1170
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 6: the Sunday night NFL game at Denver. Not a whole

1171
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 6: lot of offense to speak of, regarding the Broncos Vikings

1172
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 6: leading the game ten to six. Broncos linebacker Alex Singleton

1173
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 6: nine tackles in the first half, but the Denver offense

1174
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 6: only had three first downs in the first half until

1175
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 6: a minute ago. They just driven past midfield trying to

1176
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 6: get at least a field goal. In the final seconds

1177
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 6: before the break, Josh Dobbs of the Vikings eleven of

1178
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 6: thirteen passing one hundred and twenty six yards and a touchdown.

1179
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 6: This despite a fumble on the very first possession. Vikings

1180
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 6: lead ten to six. Late first half rams over Seattle

1181
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 6: seventeen to sixteen on a short field goal with about

1182
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 6: a minute and a half to go. Quarterback Matthew Stafford

1183
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 6: with one touchdown one interception. He returned today after the

1184
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 6: spring thumb ligament. Wide receiver Cooper cup of La left

1185
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 6: with an ankle injury. San Francisco's now seven to three,

1186
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 6: one game ahead of Seattle in the Division. The final

1187
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 6: in the Bay Area twenty seven to fourteen over Tampa Bay.

1188
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 6: The Niners led twenty seven to seven to start the

1189
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 6: fourth quarter. Brandon Ayuk five receptions one hundred and fifty

1190
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 6: six yards in a touchdown, but another great game from

1191
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 6: Brock Purty, including three touchdown passes. AP sent out a

1192
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 6: list of NFL quarterbacks in the last thirty years who've

1193
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 6: had back to back games with this high passer rating

1194
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 6: one forty five or more with twenty attempts or more.

1195
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 6: It's a pretty short list in the last thirty years.

1196
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 6: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, and now

1197
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 6: Brought Purdy. In his last two weeks passer rating of

1198
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 6: one fifty seven nearly perfect six total touchdowns, no interceptions

1199
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 6: and over six hundred yards passing in those two weeks

1200
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 6: forty of fifty one through the air. Buffalo beat up

1201
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 6: the Jets thirty two to six. Josh Allen three td passes,

1202
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 6: Tyler Bass four for four on field goals, Jets with

1203
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 6: four turnovers. At Washington the Commanders with six turnovers, three interceptions,

1204
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 6: three fumbles, and the Giants were thirty one to nineteen winners,

1205
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 6: even though Tommy DeVito, who had three touchdown passes, was

1206
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 6: sacked nine times. Dallas defense with seven sacks in a

1207
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 6: win at Carolina thirty three to ten victories for Houston

1208
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 6: and Jacksonville at home for Miami in Green Bay as well,

1209
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 6: the Packers got a touchdown pass with about two and

1210
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 6: a half minutes left to beat the Chargers twenty three

1211
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 6: to twenty. Austin Eckler of LA fumbled in the red

1212
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 6: zone early fourth they wound up losing by three. Cleveland

1213
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 6: kicked a field goal in the final seconds for a

1214
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 6: thirteen to ten win over Pittsburgh. Detroit with two late

1215
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 6: touchdowns beat Chicago thirty one. Twenty six Monday Night, Philadelphia

1216
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 6: is at Kansas City. Chants of rain there on a

1217
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 6: bye this weekend the Saints and the Falcons. Atlantic quarterback

1218
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 6: Desmond Ritter will be starting next week against New Orleans.

1219
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 6: Don't forget this Thursday, Thanksgiving on Fox TV. The Lions

1220
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 6: at eight and two will host the Packers. Also Thursday,

1221
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 6: Washington at Dallas and then San Francisco at Seattle. And

1222
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 6: there's also a Friday game now streaming only. The Jets

1223
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 6: hosts the Dolphins. Syracuse fired coach Dino Babers. The team

1224
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 6: has lost six of seven. The Phillies re signed pitcher

1225
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 6: Aaron Nola to a seven year deal in the NBA.

1226
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 6: Seven minutes to go. Sacramento now leading at Dallas one,

1227
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 6: eighteen to ninety nine. Looks like the MAVs nine and

1228
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 6: four at the moment are going down to defeat. This

1229
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 6: would put Sacramento at eight and four. Celtics have a

1230
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 6: ten to two record. They're only leading mid third quarter

1231
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 6: at Memphis sixty seven to sixty four. College hoops wins

1232
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 6: for Connecticut and Texas, And once again we're in the

1233
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 6: final seconds of the first half at Denver ten to six,

1234
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 6: Vikings in the lead, near interception on that long ball

1235
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 6: to the end zone.

1236
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 3: I see back to you. That's what I'm laughing about.

1237
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:15,799
Speaker 2: That was a twenty twenty two Russell Wilson decision right there.

1238
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: He just threw it up for grabs, and he's incredibly

1239
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 2: lucky that that was not picked off because the Broncos

1240
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 2: are in. It's a long one, but they're in field

1241
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 2: goal range here at the end of the half. He

1242
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 2: just threw it into double coverage into Jerry Judy, who

1243
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 2: did a good job of becoming a defender and allowing

1244
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 2: this fifty two yard field goal attempt to still be made.

1245
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 2: So that one was interesting. Your MVP comments Kyle Rudolph

1246
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: tyrack dot Com Studios, By the way, I found really

1247
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 2: interesting because I'm looking at now there's some variants here

1248
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 2: depending on which house you go to, but I'm looking

1249
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 2: at the DraftKings MVP odds, and I gather that this

1250
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 2: is prior to this week's game, because Joe Burrow is

1251
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 2: the fifth leader on the board at the moment, and

1252
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he's not gonna win the MVP this year.

1253
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 3: But you know, you mentioned.

1254
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 2: How Brock Perdy is probably not going to win because

1255
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,520
Speaker 2: when he had an opportunity to show his individual presence,

1256
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 2: it didn't look nearly as good with Trent Williams and

1257
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel Out. I do still wonder though the favorite

1258
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 2: on the DraftKings board is Jalen Hurts. Patrick Mahomes, as

1259
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 2: we mentioned, is second. That field goal is up and

1260
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 2: good by the way, so it's ten to nine at

1261
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 2: the half. Lamar Jackson is sitting in the three hole

1262
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 2: and maybe is the most deserving based on the way

1263
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 2: this is playing out to a tongue of Iloa is

1264
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 2: sitting in the fourth spot. If we remove Burrow, the

1265
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 2: number five player is brock Perty's teammate Christian McCaffrey, and

1266
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 2: then Purdy comes in at number six, followed by Stroud,

1267
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 2: Jared Goff, and then even still on the board Josh

1268
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: Allen with five losses and leading the NFL and turnovers,

1269
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 2: which kind of goes to my point, Josh Allen is

1270
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 2: still sitting there in the top ten in the MVP discussion.

1271
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 3: What do you make of that list?

1272
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 4: I mean, again, you got a bunch of quarterbacks when

1273
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 4: really no quarterback this year has has stepped up and

1274
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 4: really solidified themselves as the MVP. And you have two

1275
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 4: guys at the top in Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes,

1276
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 4: who you mentioned it. Their numbers aren't even as good

1277
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 4: as they were last year when they were one and

1278
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 4: two in the MVP voting. And you know Lamar Jackson

1279
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 4: with you know, the injuries that they've gone through on

1280
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 4: that offense out there in Baltimore, losing their starting running

1281
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 4: back Ronnie Staling, left tackle out Mark Andrews is out

1282
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 4: for the entire season now after last week's injury, you know,

1283
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 4: And yet they're one of the best teams in the

1284
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 4: AFC and have as good a chance of anybody as

1285
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 4: representing the AFC in the Super Bowl. So it's like,

1286
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 4: how does he not get more credit when you have

1287
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 4: a bunch of guys that really took to their standard

1288
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 4: are just putting up average type numbers. And you know,

1289
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 4: I mentioned it before, at what point do we decide

1290
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 4: like this is not just a quarterback only award. I

1291
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 4: was on the roster in twenty twelve when the last

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Speaker 4: non quarterback one an MVP and Adrian one an MVP

1293
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 4: that year over two really good quarterbacks and Tom Brady

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01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 4: and Peyton Manning. Tom threw for almost five thousand yards

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01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 4: that year, So it wasn't like even this year where

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01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 4: you say, oh, Adrian ran for almost twenty one hundred,

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01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 4: you know, there's no quarterback to really give it to,

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01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 4: so we'll just give it to Adrian. You know, this year,

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Speaker 4: we don't really have a quarterback that's grabbed the m

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01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,839
Speaker 4: to this point and run with it. Yet, in my opinion,

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01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 4: you have a guy like Christian McCaffrey, who I think

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01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 4: is very deserving, not just what he does carrying the football.

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01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 4: But you know, you saw it again today another receiving

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01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 4: touchdown out of the backfield. And the other guy is

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01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill. How is Tyreek Hill not in the top ten?

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01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 4: How's he not in the top ten.

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01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 2: In all being Yeah, Josh Allen being ahead of Tyreek Hill,

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01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 2: and again these are just the odds, these aren't the

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01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,839
Speaker 2: actual votes, but Josh Allen being considered more than Tyreek

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01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 2: Hill is bananas.

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01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill's a guy. Most likely he's gonna be really closer,

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01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 4: probably gonna break the receiving yards record. You know, he's

1313
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 4: on pace for over two thousand yards for a long time.

1314
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if he's still quite on that same pace,

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01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 4: But you never know a guy like that, I mean,

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01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 4: before he gets dinged up with a hand injury in

1317
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 4: the In the first half today, he had one hundred

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Speaker 4: and twenty and in a little over a quarter. You know,

1319
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 4: he's a guy that can just eat up yards and

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01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 4: touchdowns so fast. And I've mentioned he looks like a

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01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 4: guy that's playing in high school. You know, when that

1322
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,759
Speaker 4: elite receiver plays at a different speed than everyone else,

1323
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 4: that's Tyreek Hill and he's doing it in the NFL,

1324
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 4: which we've never seen happen before. So in my opinion, yeah,

1325
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 4: you can have Patrick Mahomes up there, Jalen Hurts, you know,

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01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 4: certainly deservedly. So they're the best team in the AFC,

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01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 4: the best team in the NFC. You know, both of

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01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 4: those guys are huge reasons as to why their teams

1329
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 4: have success. But ultimately, you know, I gotta think this

1330
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 4: is a year where a guy like Christian McCaffrey or

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01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill, assuming that they continue on the pace that

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01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 4: they're on right now, have to get heavy consideration.

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01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 2: Twelve and twenty two yards for Tyreek after one hundred

1334
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 2: and forty six more today and he is on pace

1335
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:01,839
Speaker 2: for two thousand, seventy seven. That's the pace for Tyreek

1336
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 2: Hill on a team that's seven and three and sitting

1337
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 2: in first place, two games clear of the next closest team.

1338
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 2: A very very strong point that you make right there,

1339
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 2: all right with Kyle Rudolph. I'm Mark Willard, and coming

1340
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 2: up next, it is the best division in football. It's

1341
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 2: got four good teams, or does it. We'll get to

1342
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: that around the corner on Fox Sports Radio. On Fox

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01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 2: Sports Radio, it is halftime a Sunday night football, ten

1344
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 2: to nine. Vikings lead the Broncos. Glad you're with us.

1345
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 2: Let's hang out. We'll roll you into the second half

1346
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 2: and keep talking about everything that we saw earlier, and

1347
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,759
Speaker 2: not just earlier. I do have something that I really

1348
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 2: want to get I want to get to with you

1349
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 2: at the top of the hour, and that is whether

1350
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 2: one of the top players in college football should have

1351
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 2: done what he did yesterday and should one of the

1352
01:15:54,720 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 2: NFL's top reporters tweeted what he tweeted today. So we're

1353
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 2: going to get to all of that coming up at

1354
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 2: the top of the hour. But you mentioned it earlier.

1355
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 2: I'd love to work through the AFC North. It is

1356
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 2: roundly being called the best division in football, but it

1357
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 2: also had one a hell of a tumultuous week. So

1358
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 2: everybody was above five hundred about four days ago, and

1359
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 2: we're sitting there looking at the landscape of the whole thing, going, man,

1360
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 2: this is just gonna be a barn burner coming down

1361
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:27,839
Speaker 2: the stretch.

1362
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 3: And then lo and behold.

1363
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 2: Down goes Deshaun Watson for the year, followed by down

1364
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 2: goes Joe Burrow for the year. So the Bengals are

1365
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 2: five and five and it feels like, and this is unfair,

1366
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 2: but it feels like they're already eliminated.

1367
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 3: And then the.

1368
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns are sitting here with I'm not sure what

1369
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 2: terms of quarterback. They signed Joe Flacco to their practice

1370
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 2: squad today. We'll see if that ends up being a

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01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 2: place that they turned. But they also find a way

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01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: to end up seven and three. You have the Steelers, who,

1373
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 2: from a metrics and analytics standpoint, you're like, how how

1374
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 2: do you have a winning record? They flat out cannot

1375
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 2: score points. And then there's the Ravens and so, oh,

1376
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 2: it's the best division in football. They got four good teams.

1377
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 2: Let's be real, they got one team, one team that

1378
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 2: we actually believe in Kyle, So I wonder sort of

1379
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 2: how you'd handle these situations. If you're Cincinnati, if you're Cleveland,

1380
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 2: and even if you're Pittsburgh, I think you've got questions

1381
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 2: about how to handle this year and what the future

1382
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 2: looks like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I stand by you know, Cincinnati was

1384
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:53,480
Speaker 4: a team that at five and three wins over Seattle

1385
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 4: San fran and then the Bills on Sunday Night Football,

1386
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 4: we all thought they made not get all the way

1387
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 4: to catching Baltimore and winning the division, but will be

1388
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 4: a team that is a very tough out in the playoffs.

1389
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 4: Now they're sitting at tenth in the playoff race, and

1390
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 4: you know, ultimately I don't foresee that getting any higher

1391
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 4: as the year continues to go on. So I think

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01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 4: Cincinnati is a team that you know, their season is

1393
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 4: pretty much all but over with now with with Joe

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01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 4: being out for the year. Pittsburgh is a team that

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01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 4: I talked about last week that in this division of

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01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 4: four winning teams, as they had every team over five

1397
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 4: hundred last week, I said, I just that was a

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01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 4: team that I believed in the least out of all

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01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 4: four of them, as you mentioned, just a team that

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01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 4: cannot score points. And you know, you look at every

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01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 4: statistical category and every matrix that would determine wins and losses,

1402
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 4: and they're on the lost side of every single one

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01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,759
Speaker 4: of them. Yet they keep finding ways to win games.

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01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 4: You know, ultimately, today they weren't able to win a

1405
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 4: close game in the fourth quarter, and I think we'll

1406
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 4: start to see more of that throughout the course of

1407
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 4: the year. You just you can't continue to win games

1408
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 4: the way that they've been winning games. You moved to

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01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 4: Cleveland at seven to three. I'm really intrigued by the

1410
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 4: Joe Flacco signing. Not because I believe Joe Flaco is

1411
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 4: a guy that will come in and save the season

1412
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 4: for you and you know, ultimately elevate your offense to

1413
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 4: a place where it's never been before. But I know

1414
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 4: Kevin Stefanski as well as I know him, and I

1415
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 4: know that that offense as is as quarterback friendly as

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01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 4: any offense in the NFL. And Joe's a guy that

1417
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 4: has played enough football to come in and not lose

1418
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 4: you football games. Just let your defense do what they do.

1419
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,440
Speaker 4: You have the best defense in football, played those strengths.

1420
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 4: So I'm really curious to see how that ends up.

1421
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 4: And I do I believe that this is Baltimore's division

1422
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,719
Speaker 4: to win and they'll ultimately be the real true player

1423
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 4: to come out of it.

1424
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 2: YEP, I agree with you there, And it also feels like

1425
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 2: at this point the only team that's real interesting once

1426
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 2: you get to the playoffs Chiefs and Ravens and Jags

1427
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 2: and Dolphins and all of that. With regard to who

1428
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 2: could actually make some noise. Speaking of make some noise,

1429
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 2: one college player yesterday decided not to make any noise

1430
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 2: at all, and one NFL reporter decided to criticize him

1431
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 2: for it. We'll get to all of that coming up next.

1432
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 2: On Fox Sports Radio.

1433
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,640
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01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 2: Well, the Vikings are in the high red zone, and

1438
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 2: so are we. We're coming down the stretch Week eleven.

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Speaker 2: way tied buying should be. I've really been looking forward

1445
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 2: to asking you about this one. I have mixed feelings,

1446
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 2: so I'm quite confident that yesterday's loss for the USC

1447
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 2: Trojans against UCLA was the last time that Caleb Williams

1448
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 2: is going to put on a college uniform. I don't

1449
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: even know if USC wants to accept their invite to

1450
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 2: the Whatever Bowl. They may not, but even if they do,

1451
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 2: why on earth would Caleb Williams play in it? Heisman

1452
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 2: Trophy in the back pocket, likely number one overall, picking

1453
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: the draft upcoming, why would he play in that game?

1454
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 2: I'm confident he won't, and so that was probably the

1455
01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 2: end of his college career. But we don't know because

1456
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 2: no one got to ask him at the end of

1457
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 2: the game. And this is already we've talked about it. Kyle,

1458
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 2: someone who either on his own or through his agent

1459
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 2: or family members started to float the idea of while

1460
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 2: staying college, if I don't like the team that's going

1461
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 2: to take me number one overall. A few weeks later,

1462
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 2: sobbing in mom's arms in the stands, that hit some

1463
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:34,440
Speaker 2: people a certain way, and then yesterday he loses to UCLA.

1464
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 2: Hillatious second half of the year for the Trojans and

1465
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 2: Caleb elects to not talk to the media. Then Ian

1466
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: Rappaport today goes to Twitter and writes, Joe Burrow learned

1467
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 2: his season was over on Friday, understood his responsibility and

1468
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 2: went out and held a news conference the job of

1469
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: a quarter back and the face of a franchise, and

1470
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 2: he did so, quote tweeting the news that Caleb Williams.

1471
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 3: Elected to not speak to the media.

1472
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 2: What do you think of Caleb's decision and what do

1473
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 2: you think of Rapaport's decision to compare Caleb to a

1474
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 2: professional quarterback.

1475
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I don't necessarily believe that you're comparing

1476
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 4: apples to apples when when you compare Joe Burrow talking

1477
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 4: to the media and Caleb Williams electing not talk to

1478
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 4: the media. Because in the NFL, we're obligated to talk

1479
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 4: to the media. We have to make ourselves available to

1480
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 4: the media. It's per the collective bargain agreement that we

1481
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 4: will be available to talk to the media. Therefore, it's

1482
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 4: part of our job.

1483
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: Now.

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01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 4: I also, as I read through that tweet, in a

1485
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 4: lot of the comments, you know, a lot of the

1486
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 4: comments were about something similar to that where Joe Burrow

1487
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 4: gets paid, Joe Burrows his job, Joe Burrow's an employee. Okay,

1488
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 4: this has always been my biggest problem. These college kids

1489
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 4: wanted to get paid, and now you're getting paid, and

1490
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams is getting paid a lot of money. So

1491
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 4: now you will be treated like you're getting paid a

1492
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 4: lot of money. And I feel like that's always something

1493
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 4: where in college athletics, you know, one of those things

1494
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 4: be careful what you wish for, because you know, ultimately,

1495
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 4: if I'm a university and you know, all of a sudden, hey,

1496
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 4: you guys want to get paid. You want to make money.

1497
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 4: If you don't perform, now I should be allowed to

1498
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 4: get rid of you. You know this whole like your

1499
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 4: scholarship is honored for four years. Like I don't know,

1500
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 4: like if you're not living up to the money that

1501
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 4: we're paying you, why why do.

1502
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:48,640
Speaker 3: We have to do this?

1503
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 4: It's it's you've ultimately decided, hey, this is a business now,

1504
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 4: so if you're gonna want us to compensate you, now

1505
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 4: we have to treat you like an employee. So I

1506
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 4: think that that's a whole other can of worms that

1507
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 4: people just don't really understand. You know, everybody talks about

1508
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,600
Speaker 4: these college kids and all their student athletes. Now they

1509
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 4: they are essentially professional entities at this point, and they're

1510
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 4: being treated as such. Now to the point of Caleb

1511
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 4: not speaking one thing that you forgot in the list

1512
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:26,679
Speaker 4: of things that you mentioned. You know, at some point

1513
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 4: he also talked about wanting ownership in the team that

1514
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 4: drafted him. So we can just add this to the

1515
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 4: list of really poor decisions from Caleb Williams to this point.

1516
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 4: And quite honestly, I'm looking forward to how January through

1517
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 4: April are going to play out for this young man

1518
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 4: and how he handles this process and even more so,

1519
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 4: how he handles the process, how his representatives handled this process,

1520
01:25:54,280 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 4: because quite honestly, from last year's Heisman Trophy ceremony to now,

1521
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 4: they've really proven how not to handle being the consensus

1522
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 4: number one overall pick.

1523
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 2: I think that's a great point, and for me, it's

1524
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 2: the point. So in other words, Caleb's getting a bunch

1525
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 2: of nil money. I don't really care. And I know

1526
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 2: sometimes fans get really bothered when the media goes, oh,

1527
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 2: you need to speak why because we're the media. I

1528
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 2: actually don't care that he didn't speak. Here's what I

1529
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 2: would say about it. I would advise the young man

1530
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 2: the same thing. It's the same advice that so many

1531
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 2: have gotten right when people go hey like cause I

1532
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 2: teach right. And so sometimes there's events, will go out

1533
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 2: and take the students to a game or whatever. They

1534
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 2: always ask me how should I dress? And the truth

1535
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 2: of the matter is it's quite frankly, you probably show

1536
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 2: up in sweats. Nobody would care. But I tell him,

1537
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 2: dress how you think you would dress if this was

1538
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 2: actually your job, because dressed for the job you want,

1539
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 2: not for the one you've got. And so Caleb wants

1540
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 2: to be an NFL quarterback. I would have spent as

1541
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 2: much time as possible this year sending messages to the

1542
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 2: NFL teams. I am going to be a safe face

1543
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 2: of your franchise, and that starts with things like this.

1544
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 2: So I don't care that he didn't speak. It is

1545
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 2: completely his decision. I get why he didn't speak, but

1546
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm with you. You're starting to see if one of

1547
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 2: these was on its own, Ah, no big deal. But

1548
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 2: three things, four things, five things suggest uh oh, generational talent.

1549
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 2: Is he ready for the emotional side of being the

1550
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 2: number one overall pick and then the great hope for

1551
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 2: a franchise and the face of that franchise. You know,

1552
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,839
Speaker 2: this Kyle that's so much bigger than his physical gifts.

1553
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 2: And if I'm a GM and I'm looking at all

1554
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 2: the work that's being done to get this number one

1555
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: pick right now so you can grab him, I got questions.

1556
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,560
Speaker 2: I got questions that I want to ask him, and

1557
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 2: they have nothing to do with going through your progressions

1558
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 2: on third down.

1559
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, think about the last i don't know two plus

1560
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 4: decades of Chicago Bears quarterbacks and the scrutiny that they've

1561
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 4: been under. How do we feel Caleb Williams is gonna

1562
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 4: fair when the Chicago Bears had the first overall pick

1563
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 4: and they draft him and he's in that Chicago media

1564
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 4: with the pressure of an organization that is, you know,

1565
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 4: one of the fundamental original organizations of the NFL, and

1566
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 4: they've struggled for decades and haven't found their franchise quarterback

1567
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 4: and things don't go well early. You know, you're it's

1568
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 4: a little bit different this year, especially if things play

1569
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 4: out the way they ultimately played out, because you're not

1570
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 4: going to the worst team, you know, typically the worst

1571
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 4: team has the first pick. Well, this year, the worst

1572
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 4: team traded their pick, so Chicago gets it. But you

1573
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:34,640
Speaker 4: know you're going to a team that ultimately has struggled

1574
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 4: mightily on offense. And if you think talking to the

1575
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,799
Speaker 4: media in college is hard, it's a completely different animal

1576
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 4: when you're the franchise quarterback of an organization like the

1577
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,560
Speaker 4: Chicago Bears in a media market like Chicago.

1578
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 3: I've never met Caleb Williams.

1579
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that he's not emotionally ready for this.

1580
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but those are the questions that

1581
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 2: are there now that weren't there a year ago because of,

1582
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 2: as you said, the things that have already hit the media.

1583
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 2: I don't really care that he cried and sobbed in

1584
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 2: his mom's arms, you know, Like I know there's a

1585
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 2: lot of opinions about that. I have no idea what's

1586
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 2: going on in his life, his family's lives to know

1587
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 2: sort of what that's all about. But I also know that, jeez,

1588
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 2: you know, coming back off of a Heisman Trophy and

1589
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 2: having a usc season kind of not go the way

1590
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 2: you wanted it and lose a big game against Washington,

1591
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 2: if that leads to that much emotion. I do wonder

1592
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 2: what happens when you Okay, now you leave home. Now

1593
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,640
Speaker 2: you're out there on your own. You're asked to be

1594
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 2: an adult, and nobody is going to give you the Hey,

1595
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 2: it's just college kids saying. Add this in where there

1596
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 2: was a very clear pointed question that the world wanted

1597
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 2: to know an answered to, and instead of facing it,

1598
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 2: he said, Nope, I'm gonna pass and just skip the

1599
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 2: whole thing. I mean, what if this guy does end

1600
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 2: up as Bill Belichick's quarterback next year? I mean, you

1601
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 2: want to talk about not for the faint of heart, Like,

1602
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 2: what about that? So I'm not ready to say he

1603
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 2: can't handle this, but there are new questions that didn't

1604
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 2: exist twelve months ago.

1605
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 3: For me, there's no question.

1606
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, the the crying after the game

1607
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 4: incident ultimately doesn't throw up red flakes to me from

1608
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 4: an emotional standpoint. Can he handle the tough times that

1609
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 4: are ahead of him ultimately as an NFL quarterback? You know,

1610
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 4: for me, it's more so you know the way things

1611
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 4: were handled following the Heisman Trophy, the massive nil money

1612
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 4: deals that he got, and then ultimately, you know, just

1613
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 4: mention the fact that, oh I don't need to play

1614
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 4: in the NFL, I'll make more money in college. You know,

1615
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 4: it's like, first of all, that's there's no way that's

1616
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 4: the case. I looked it up, and you know, the

1617
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 4: first overall pick last year and Bryce Young's making I

1618
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 4: think he made almost twenty four million dollars this year.

1619
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 4: You're not making twenty five million dollars in college. You

1620
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 4: may make good money, but you're not making twenty five

1621
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 4: million dollars, which is what the number one overall pick

1622
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 4: last year made this calendar year, not in hole, but

1623
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:34,679
Speaker 4: just this year. And you know, to kind of play

1624
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,799
Speaker 4: it's it's almost like the you know, the the whiny,

1625
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 4: spoiled kid, like, oh I don't like your team, I'm

1626
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 4: going to play on a different team. And then you know,

1627
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 4: to to send out a list of teams that you

1628
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,759
Speaker 4: are actually willing to play for, like you have a choice,

1629
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 4: and you're not just gonna go into the locker room

1630
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,839
Speaker 4: of whatever team has the first overall pick and selects

1631
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 4: you and be like, look, I'm your guy. We're gonna

1632
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 4: turn this around on the face of the franchise. I'm

1633
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 4: the leader and say and do all the things that

1634
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:06,480
Speaker 4: you would ultimately want instead whether it's him or his representatives,

1635
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 4: And again like this is we don't know because I

1636
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 4: don't know Caleb Williams either. I've never spoke to the kids,

1637
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 4: so I have no idea if this is him or

1638
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 4: this could be a cousin. That's just you know, acting

1639
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 4: as a representative that's saying things like, you know, we

1640
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 4: don't know where this is down the line in terms

1641
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 4: of who's putting these concepts out there, like going back

1642
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 4: to school and making more money and wanting ownership in

1643
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 4: the team that drafts him. When the greatest players in

1644
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:39,640
Speaker 4: our game that have hit free agency and proved that

1645
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 4: their franchise level quarterbacks have never even gotten ownership in

1646
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 4: a team, So why would they give it to the

1647
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 4: first overall pick? To me, those are the bigger red flags.

1648
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 4: And just like, you know, are you here to come

1649
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 4: put in the work and be the face of our

1650
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,600
Speaker 4: franchise and battle through the tough times or ahead or

1651
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 4: you know, are you just really at this point a

1652
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 4: spoiled kid that made a lot of money in college.

1653
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:09,840
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Speaker 2: got a Super Bowl rematch coming up and we haven't

1663
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,800
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1664
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:48,240
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1665
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 2: we get to tomorrow night, I think there's a question

1666
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 2: a lot of fans have, and I know that the

1667
01:34:55,800 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 2: answer is mainly money. We've talked so much about the

1668
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings and the interesting situation they found themselves in

1669
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 2: with regard to Kirk Cousins, Justin Jefferson, and Dalvin Cook.

1670
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:17,919
Speaker 2: But it was a surprise removal of Dalvin Cook from

1671
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 2: the roster before this year started, and then it was

1672
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,759
Speaker 2: maybe even more surprising that he had a hard time

1673
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 2: catching on anywhere. Not terribly surprising for me that he

1674
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 2: has sort of been kicked to the sideline by Bryce

1675
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 2: Hall with the New York Jets, but he's already asked

1676
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 2: for a trade again just a few weeks after arriving there.

1677
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 3: What do you think happened there?

1678
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 2: And the reason I'm asking is because Alexander Madison was

1679
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 2: the one who, for the most part, was given the

1680
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 2: keys of this backfield and he has not driven the

1681
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 2: car where he's supposed to drive it. Another fumble just

1682
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,679
Speaker 2: a few minutes ago, keeping the Denver Broncos very much

1683
01:35:58,680 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 2: in this game.

1684
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 4: No speaking to the Dalvin situation, you know, ultimately we've

1685
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 4: talked about what paying a quarterback top dollar does for

1686
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 4: your roster, and quite honestly, they just they didn't use him.

1687
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 4: You know, it's a team that doesn't run the football.

1688
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 4: I mean they're throwing it all over the place.

1689
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1690
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 4: I think Justin led the NFL and targets last year

1691
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:27,640
Speaker 4: with like one hundred and eighty or something in that

1692
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:28,639
Speaker 4: in that range.

1693
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 3: You know.

1694
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 4: The TJ. Hockinson I think is on pace to break

1695
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 4: a receptions record for the tight end position this year,

1696
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,679
Speaker 4: and they target him like fifteen times a game or something.

1697
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 4: They just they don't Kevin O'Connell does not place any

1698
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 4: value on running the football. Uh, he wants to throw

1699
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 4: it all over the yard. You have Justin Jefferson, TJ. Hockinson,

1700
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 4: kJ Osborne, Jordan Addison, Like there there's guys all over

1701
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 4: the place that you're gonna get the football to where

1702
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 4: turn around and hand the ball to Dalvin twenty five

1703
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 4: times a game like we used to in Minnesota. Isn't

1704
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 4: the way they operate on offense anymore. So, you know,

1705
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 4: it was ultimately more a decision on Okay, if we're

1706
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 4: going to free up some cash in some cap space,

1707
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 4: we might as well do it at a position where

1708
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 4: we're paying somebody a lot of money and not ultimately

1709
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 4: using them. And certainly, you know, I was a bit

1710
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:29,679
Speaker 4: surprised as well that it took so long for Dalvin

1711
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 4: to find a home this offseason, and you know, who knows,

1712
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 4: maybe that was by design for him. He you know,

1713
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 4: probably enjoyed being at home in Miami over the course

1714
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 4: of the offseason and into training camp. And I think

1715
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 4: when when he decided to go play for the Jets

1716
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 4: and sign in New York, the decision was to go

1717
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 4: play with Aaron Rodgers, not to go play with the Jets.

1718
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 4: So when Aaron gets hurt Week one, that all completely changes,

1719
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 4: and now you're you're in an offense where you thought

1720
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:05,639
Speaker 4: you were going there with one of the best quarterbacks

1721
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 4: ever played the game. Who's going to distribute the football

1722
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 4: and everybody's gonna get touches and you're gonna score a

1723
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 4: ton of points and get a ton of plays every Sunday.

1724
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 4: That's not the case. And you know, we've talked about

1725
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 4: the Jets offensive struggles. You mentioned Breis hall Uh, phenomenal

1726
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 4: young back that deserves all the touches that he gets.

1727
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 4: But when you stink on offense, you don't get you

1728
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 4: don't get the amount of plays that you get. And

1729
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 4: that's something that you know, I think fans might not

1730
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:39,679
Speaker 4: realize how important it is to run sixty five seventy

1731
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 4: plays and not be on the field for fifty plays.

1732
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 4: When when you're running more plays and you got more opportunities,

1733
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 4: you know, it's more touches, get guys hands on the ball,

1734
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 4: obviously scoring more points. And that's that's how you keep

1735
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 4: multiple running backs happy and and tight ends and all

1736
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 4: the players that they have on offense who ultimately at

1737
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 4: this point are just kind of left outside the rain.

1738
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 4: You know, it's like they're all just kind of hanging

1739
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 4: out because uh talking about getting the keys to the

1740
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 4: car and not ultimately driving it. Very well, that's exactly

1741
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 4: what's going on there with their quarterbacks. So going back

1742
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 4: to the Vikings and their situation at running back this year,

1743
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 4: you know, I think they believe that Madison had shown

1744
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 4: enough as the number two back to say, you know,

1745
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 4: we just need a guy to be okay, you know,

1746
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 4: because we don't really run the football that much anyways.

1747
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 4: He he's skilled out of the backfield. He can catch

1748
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 4: the ball in the screen game. You know, that's kind

1749
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 4: of how we want to operate. In my opinion, the

1750
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 4: big issue has been the turnovers, and and here he

1751
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,719
Speaker 4: is again turning the football over when they had three

1752
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 4: points locked up, and you're just letting this Denver Broncos

1753
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 4: team hang around when you know, that's what That's why

1754
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 4: this Vikings team started off one and four. They turned

1755
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 4: the football over at a rate greater than any team

1756
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 4: in NFL history through their first few games. And it's

1757
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 4: what they've fixed during this five game win streak, along

1758
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 4: with playing some really good defense. So you know, certainly

1759
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 4: here they are tonight. They've spotted Denver three points with

1760
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 4: a turnover, and then they just took three points off

1761
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 4: the board for themselves with another turnover.

1762
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 2: There, yep, and Denver right now on the move in

1763
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 2: Vikings territory, trying to see if they can make this

1764
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 2: one interesting. As we start the fourth quarter, the Vikings

1765
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 2: lead by eight seventeen to nine.

1766
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 3: But as we said, Denver on the move, when.

1767
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 2: This thing is all taken care of, you know exactly

1768
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 2: where everybody's focus goes next Super Bowl rematch tomorrow night.

1769
01:40:56,080 --> 01:41:00,080
Speaker 3: Listen. I think if you just took these two teams.

1770
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 2: On their surface, you'd say the Eagles look better than

1771
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 2: the Chiefs so far this year. And if you get

1772
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 2: a standard three points for being at home, Vegas is

1773
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,719
Speaker 2: telling you that on a neutral field, the Eagles would

1774
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 2: be favored, because right now the Chiefs are only favored

1775
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 2: by two and a half. I get all that, but

1776
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 2: sometimes I wonder, if we forget primetime at home, how

1777
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 2: rare it is that Patrick Mahomes loses in those situations.

1778
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:33,600
Speaker 2: I know, we could go back to Opening Night this

1779
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 2: year when it was a home game and it was

1780
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 2: primetime and the NFL opener, and they lost to Detroit

1781
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 2: a little bit fluky with the pick six. I would

1782
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 2: argue that also feels like it was a really long

1783
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 2: time ago. Since then, it's a double digit win over Chicago,

1784
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 2: a double digit win over Denver, a double digit win

1785
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 2: over the Chargers. Sure they only beat Miami by seven,

1786
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 2: don't forget that wasn't actually at home, that was across

1787
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 2: the pond. They've had very few full level arrowhead games

1788
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 2: this year where they rarely rarely lose. I like the

1789
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:12,680
Speaker 2: Chiefs tomorrow night to show off that their defense is

1790
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 2: a little bit better than people give them credit for

1791
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 2: and hold the Eagles down potentially to I don't know,

1792
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 2: twenty three points or less. What do you think we're

1793
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 2: going to look at in this one?

1794
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:26,559
Speaker 3: Well?

1795
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:30,600
Speaker 4: I feel like certainly the Eagles are very familiar with

1796
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 4: the Chiefs, having just prepared for them for the Super

1797
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 4: Bowl last year. But I think they will go back

1798
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:39,600
Speaker 4: and really take a lot from that first game, not

1799
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 4: necessarily the fact that Detroit went in there and got

1800
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 4: to win, but more so how they played the game,

1801
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:52,639
Speaker 4: just defensively, the physicality at which they played with making

1802
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 4: things really uncomfortable for the receivers and really never allowing

1803
01:42:57,320 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 4: Kansas City to get much going offensively. So I think

1804
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 4: if you're in the Philadelphia Eagles, you have to look

1805
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 4: at that blueprint and you know you can do that

1806
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,599
Speaker 4: as good as anybody with your defense starting up front,

1807
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 4: with with that front seven and the way that they

1808
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 4: can disrupt the passer. But I feel like, you know,

1809
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 4: just in my mind when I think about this Kansas

1810
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 4: City Chiefs team, we all have our question marks in

1811
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 4: terms of where's the offense going to come When Travis

1812
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 4: Kelce is held to three catches for fourteen yards like

1813
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 4: he was in Germany before the bye week, when teams

1814
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 4: decide that we are going to double team Travis Kelce

1815
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 4: bracket Travis Kelce A, someone else is going to have

1816
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 4: to beat us. Who is going to be that guy

1817
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:51,639
Speaker 4: for Kansas City Towards the end of the year. Last

1818
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 4: year we saw you know, Jerck McKinnon step up and

1819
01:43:56,600 --> 01:44:00,639
Speaker 4: Jeric had a run down the stretch Hugh game after

1820
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 4: a huge game, played a big part in their offensive production.

1821
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 4: They had Juju Smith Schuster last year who's now gone.

1822
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 4: So who is going to step up outside of Travis

1823
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 4: Kelce to make things go for this Kansas City chief offense?

1824
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:18,639
Speaker 4: And I just feel like coming out of the buy.

1825
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:22,479
Speaker 4: Tomorrow's when we're going to find that out. They've had

1826
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 4: an extra a little bit of extra time to figure

1827
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 4: it out, and you know, just Andy Reid extra time

1828
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 4: to prepare. You know, I feel like we see this

1829
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 4: Kansas City Chiefs offense clicking on all cylinders. Not to

1830
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 4: leave out the real reason why the Kansas City Chiefs

1831
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,839
Speaker 4: are seven and two, and that's because of that defense.

1832
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 4: It's a team that has won in spite of their

1833
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:47,679
Speaker 4: defense throughout this incredible dynasty that they're starting to build there,

1834
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 4: and this year, the defense is a big reason why

1835
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:52,719
Speaker 4: they're having success.

1836
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 2: The number of times that the Chiefs have allowed someone

1837
01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 2: to score more than twenty.

1838
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 3: Four this year is.

1839
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 2: Zero zero, zero zero, and the Broncos two three weeks

1840
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 2: ago winning twenty four to nine, is the only time

1841
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:16,799
Speaker 2: anyone's even been able to reach that number. Speaking of scoring,

1842
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 2: we do it at the bottom of every hour when

1843
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 2: we get to hang out with Steve Saga for a

1844
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 2: little bit.

1845
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 3: So here we go, Steve, what's going on?

1846
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 6: Hello, Let's get to the football game everyone's talking about.

1847
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 6: The Great Cup goes to the Montreal Alouettes tonight, Ladies

1848
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 6: and gentlemen. They've stunned the Winnipeg Blue Bombers twenty eight,

1849
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 6: twenty four. Okay, there's an NFL game at Denver as well,

1850
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:37,840
Speaker 6: and the Vikings have won five in a row. They're

1851
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 6: leading seventeen to twelve against the Broncos early in the

1852
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 6: fourth quarter. Denver four for four on field goal attempts.

1853
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:47,880
Speaker 6: By the way, this NFL season, a full seventy percent

1854
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,760
Speaker 6: of all games have been within one score in the

1855
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:54,280
Speaker 6: fourth quarter. Tack on tonight's game, Joshua Dobbs had an

1856
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 6: early fumble, but he does have a touchdown pass a

1857
01:45:57,240 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 6: touchdown run fifteen of nineteen through the a one hundred

1858
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 6: and seventy nine yards. Earlier, the Rams on a short

1859
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 6: field goal with about a minute and a half to go,

1860
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 6: beat Seattle seventeen to sixteen. San Francisco defeated Tampa Bay

1861
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:14,000
Speaker 6: twenty seven to fourteen. Thursday night, San Francisco at Seattle.

1862
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,640
Speaker 6: Niners at seven and three now a game ahead of

1863
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 6: the Seahawks in the division. By the way, this Thursday

1864
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:22,639
Speaker 6: is Thanksgiving and on Fox TV, the Lions at eight

1865
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 6: and two will be hosting the Packers. Green Bay won

1866
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:27,200
Speaker 6: on a touchdown pass with about two and a half

1867
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 6: minutes left today beating the Chargers twenty three to twenty.

1868
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 6: Detroit got two late tds to defeat Chicago thirty one

1869
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,719
Speaker 6: twenty six. Cleveland kicked a field goal in the final

1870
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 6: seconds to win thirteen ten over Pittsburgh. Buffalo ripped the

1871
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 6: Jets thirty two to six. Miami seven and three undefeated

1872
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:46,799
Speaker 6: at home still after beating Las Vegas twenty to thirteen.

1873
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 6: Dallas was seven sacks in a win at Carolina thirty

1874
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 6: three ten. Washington had nine sacks but lost at home

1875
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 6: Giants thirty one nineteen the final Washington with six turnovers.

1876
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 6: Victories for Houston and Jacksonville Syracuse five fired coach Dino Babers.

1877
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:05,599
Speaker 6: Arkansas says it's coach Sam Pittman will be back next year.

1878
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 6: Washington has agreed to play rival Washington State every season

1879
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:12,880
Speaker 6: through twenty twenty eight, even though the Huskies are leaving

1880
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 6: the PAC twelve. Utah quarterback Cam Rising says he'll return

1881
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:18,519
Speaker 6: to play next year after missing this season with a

1882
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 6: knee injury. This will be his sixth season at Utah. Georgia,

1883
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 6: by the way, still number one in both polls for

1884
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 6: what it's worth, with Ohio State number two. Oregon State

1885
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 6: fell to number fifteen. The Phillies re signed pitcher Aaron

1886
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:33,680
Speaker 6: Nola to a seven year deal. NHL wins for Pittsburgh

1887
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 6: and Toronto. Maple Leafs won their game in Sweden in

1888
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:40,759
Speaker 6: overtime against Minnesota. For three college hoops at Madison Square Garden,

1889
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:43,799
Speaker 6: Yukon and Texas each one. They'll face each other tomorrow.

1890
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:47,559
Speaker 6: Sixteenth rank usc was tied with Brown with about four

1891
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 6: minutes left. Trojans win eighty one seventy. Brown is one

1892
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:53,760
Speaker 6: to four This year, Celtics have won their sixth game

1893
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:56,120
Speaker 6: in a row. Sacramento won at sixth in a row.

1894
01:47:56,280 --> 01:48:00,519
Speaker 6: Philadelphia won again and again early fourth quarter in it's

1895
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:04,680
Speaker 6: the Vikings leading seventeen to twelve over the Denver Broncos.

1896
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:07,559
Speaker 6: By the way, mister Bay Area, a note about Brock

1897
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:11,719
Speaker 6: party back to back home games with three hundred yards passing,

1898
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 6: first Niners quarterback in over twenty years to do so

1899
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 6: in back to back home games since Jeff Garcia.

1900
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 3: Back to you.

1901
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was fantastic today with three hundred and thirty

1902
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 2: three yards in the air, three touchdown.

1903
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 6: Three perfect perfect passer ate, perfect.

1904
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:36,640
Speaker 2: Passer rating, and oh, by the way, for about ten seconds.

1905
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 2: He had the longest pass play for a touchdown of

1906
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 2: the year in the NFL, long past to Brandon Aiyuk,

1907
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 2: and then the Bills took it from him just a

1908
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:50,639
Speaker 2: few moments later. But it's going to be an interesting one.

1909
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:54,480
Speaker 2: I don't think brock Party or Christian McCaffrey Kyle.

1910
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 3: Are going to win the MVP Award this year.

1911
01:48:57,120 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 2: I think you make a really really solid point with

1912
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:03,040
Speaker 2: regard to the idea that voters would have wanted to

1913
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:08,440
Speaker 2: see him do what he didn't do while Trent Williams

1914
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 2: and Deebo Samuel were out. But I can tell you this,

1915
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 2: we don't get to do this, But if you could,

1916
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 2: if you could erase the names and just lay out

1917
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 2: the numbers and the team's record, Like if I supplanted

1918
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 2: everything that is true right now about Mahomes, about Jalen Hurts,

1919
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 2: if we gave them brock Parties numbers, his yards per attempt,

1920
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 2: his touchdown to interception ratio, if you gave all of

1921
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 2: that to Mahomes or Hurts and a seven and three

1922
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:55,280
Speaker 2: team record, it would be a runaway, be a total runaway.

1923
01:49:57,040 --> 01:50:03,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again I go back to the perception and

1924
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Speaker 4: Ryan Clark's podcast about how you know, ultimately, media members, voters,

1925
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Speaker 4: fans like people just can't seem to to ever let

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Speaker 4: that go. And you know, it takes three Super Bowls

1927
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Speaker 4: to erase the fact that you're a six round pick,

1928
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Speaker 4: and you know it's it's not maybe it's not your

1929
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Speaker 4: your defense or all of the guys around you that

1930
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Speaker 4: are the reason why your team is competitive week in

1931
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Speaker 4: and week out and winning championship year after year. That's

1932
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Speaker 4: just ultimately the way that Brock and many of these

1933
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Speaker 4: other guys who seem to fight that perception will have

1934
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Speaker 4: to change it.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of perception, it's something that Josh Dobbs has been

1936
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Speaker 2: trying to do quite a bit in his time throughout

1937
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Speaker 2: his career, and he's become maybe the best story in

1938
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Speaker 2: the NFL this year. A difficult moment to bring this

1939
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 2: up because he just got hit while throwing to start

1940
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 2: off the Vikings next drive turns into an interception and

1941
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,600
Speaker 2: now the Broncos are knocking on the door inside the

1942
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 2: ten second and goal only down by five. But more

1943
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Speaker 2: on Dobbs coming up next along with Kyle Rudolph. I'm

1944
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Speaker 2: Mark Willard and this is Fox Sports Radio. Jets dropping

1945
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Speaker 2: eight and the passes complete to secure, gets away from the.

1946
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Speaker 7: Tech, go to the forty thirty five thirty doubles back

1947
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Speaker 7: to the twenty.

1948
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Speaker 3: Still loose, He's going all the way for the touchdown

1949
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Speaker 3: eighty one yards to paydirt to Lil shik here.

1950
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Speaker 6: Wow.

1951
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Speaker 2: Well that is from WGR five point fifty, the Bills

1952
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Speaker 2: Radio network, and it was the play to which I

1953
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:56,320
Speaker 2: was referring a few minutes ago. Longest pass play of

1954
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Speaker 2: the year in the NFL, eighty one yard touchdown for

1955
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Speaker 2: Live Tirack dot com Studios. Shortly after the show, our

1962
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Speaker 2: podcast is going to be going up. If you missed

1963
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Speaker 2: any of today's show, be sure to check out the podcast.

1964
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1965
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Speaker 3: Again.

1967
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Speaker 2: Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts,

1968
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Speaker 2: and you'll see this show posted right after we get

1969
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Speaker 2: off the air. You can get all of Kyle's thoughts

1970
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Speaker 2: after most of Week eleven has come into focus. Okay,

1971
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Speaker 2: Broncos get a field goal two point game, just under

1972
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:57,640
Speaker 2: ten minutes to go. I was thinking about this and

1973
01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 2: wonder how you would answer it.

1974
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Speaker 3: Better.

1975
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Speaker 2: Documentary at the end of this year, the Josh Dobbs

1976
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:12,839
Speaker 2: story or the brock Purty story.

1977
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Speaker 4: I think it's the Josh Dobbs story. I think brock

1978
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:24,799
Speaker 4: Purty's documentary was last year. You know, to this point,

1979
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:31,160
Speaker 4: I think last year being mister Irrelevant coming in and

1980
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 4: winning every start up until getting hurt in the NFC

1981
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:41,800
Speaker 4: Championship game. Almost you come into this year thinking there's

1982
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 4: now expectations. I told you this when we played the

1983
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 4: forty nine ers last year. I remember when Garoppolo got

1984
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:53,640
Speaker 4: hurt and it was ultimately like for us as a

1985
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Speaker 4: team and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that really needed a

1986
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:00,000
Speaker 4: win bad as we were kind of just up and down,

1987
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Speaker 4: hovering around five hundred in a very below average division.

1988
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Speaker 4: I was like, oh, perfect, Like we have Tom Brady

1989
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Speaker 4: and we're playing mister Irrelevant in his first ever start.

1990
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Speaker 4: There's no way we can lose this game. Again. We

1991
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Speaker 4: have Tom Brady. He doesn't lose to rookie quarterbacks, especially

1992
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:18,240
Speaker 4: rookie quarterbacks that are drafted in the seventh round. So

1993
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:23,520
Speaker 4: there were no expectations last year for brock Purty, and

1994
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Speaker 4: then fast forward this year, expectations are high. He goes

1995
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Speaker 4: through the three game skid and now you know, back

1996
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Speaker 4: to playing good football again that we all know and

1997
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Speaker 4: expect him to play. The Josh Dobbs story, especially if

1998
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Speaker 4: things continue to play out. You know, again, the Vikings

1999
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:47,120
Speaker 4: just stole a possession here on Sunday Night Football with

2000
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 4: a fake punt, so they Josh Dobbs will be coming

2001
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Speaker 4: back on the field. But you know it's ultimately, if

2002
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Speaker 4: Minnesota just takes care of the football, they run away

2003
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Speaker 4: with a victory out there at Mile High tonight. So

2004
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Speaker 4: you know, we'll see how things finished the last eight

2005
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Speaker 4: and a half minutes. But just the story of really,

2006
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Speaker 4: you know, being the seventh round draft pick inactive for

2007
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Speaker 4: seventy one games before he get his first start, the

2008
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Speaker 4: amount of rosters he's been on the last two years,

2009
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Speaker 4: and then to really again like to play the quality

2010
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Speaker 4: of football that he's played with really nothing to show

2011
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Speaker 4: for it up until the last two weeks.

2012
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you what the Dobbs thing is, not

2013
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Speaker 2: so much even the story of the whole career, because

2014
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Speaker 2: I feel like his story is one that, in a

2015
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Speaker 2: way we've heard before. Fourth round draft pick, drafted to

2016
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Speaker 2: kind of be a backup quarterback. He is for a while,

2017
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Speaker 2: he bounces around in the league. We see a lot

2018
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Speaker 2: of stuff like that, that's normal NFL stuff. But just

2019
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Speaker 2: the story of this year, don't you wish that some

2020
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Speaker 2: cameras had been following him from the beginning. I just

2021
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Speaker 2: wish somebody knew what was about to unfold. From the

2022
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 2: Browns practice squad tossed into Arizona, get the job, the

2023
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Speaker 2: whole Jersey thing, the phone calls the night before the

2024
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Speaker 2: trade deadline, end up in Minnesota, get the job right away.

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Speaker 2: You're learning people's names in the huddle, they're describing plays

2026
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Speaker 2: to you. You don't know the book yet, and you

2027
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Speaker 2: show up and go on a winning streak and bring

2028
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Speaker 2: your team not just into playoff contention, but likely a spot.

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Speaker 2: The way that this whole thing's shaping up, it's absolutely

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Speaker 2: ridiculous what this guy's year.

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Speaker 3: Has been like.

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Speaker 4: It is, and it's something that we talked about a

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Speaker 4: little bit last week. And when you look at you know,

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Speaker 4: the Minnesota Vikings playing in the NFC North, You've got

2035
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Speaker 4: the Bears and the Packers again both at home. You know,

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Speaker 4: you're playing a Broncos team that's below five hundred, although

2037
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Speaker 4: have been playing better football lately. You're going to the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: Now you're going to the Bengals without Joe Burrow. So

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Speaker 4: last week we looked at a game at oh they

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Speaker 4: got Cincinnati and Detroit, and then those might be you know,

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Speaker 4: the three out of their last four are tough, and

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Speaker 4: now you're going to go play against a backup quarterback

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Speaker 4: in Cincinnati. So you look at the stretch of games

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Speaker 4: that they have down the stretch and their last six games,

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Speaker 4: could you know, if they split with Detroit, can can

2046
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Speaker 4: the Vikings go five and one down the stretch and

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Speaker 4: you know, finish the year twelve and five. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's it's realistic, honestly, if they win the

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Speaker 4: games that they should win. You know, you win your

2050
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Speaker 4: division games at home, you beat the Raiders on the road,

2051
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Speaker 4: you beat the Bengals on the road. You're sitting at

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Speaker 4: twelve and five with Josh Dobbs taking over your team

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Speaker 4: about halfway through the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally realistic, especially if they're seven and four

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Speaker 2: a half hour from now.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if they are.

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Speaker 2: And you're right about the ball handling tonight, Dobbs has

2058
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 2: fumbled the ball three times, lost one of them. He's

2059
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:21,160
Speaker 2: thrown a pick as well. He's also the run for

2060
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Speaker 2: a touchdown. He's been the most statistically sort of effective

2061
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Speaker 2: runner or scrambler of the football at the quarterback position

2062
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Speaker 2: this year. And for me, I set it off the

2063
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Speaker 2: top of the show, Kyle, if he can go do

2064
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Speaker 2: this on the road in Denver on Sunday Night football

2065
01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:46,080
Speaker 2: and look at non unbelievable performance. But again, his leadership,

2066
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Speaker 2: just guiding the team the way he has. He's sixteen

2067
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:53,160
Speaker 2: of twenty two. He's such a clear professional, and I

2068
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:56,800
Speaker 2: keep waiting for this to look in some way different,

2069
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:59,320
Speaker 2: for this to the bubble to kind of.

2070
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Speaker 3: Burst, and it just won't.

2071
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Speaker 2: And if he somehow is able to do it this time,

2072
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Speaker 2: then I'm firmly a believer. And yes, I would say

2073
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Speaker 2: this is a playoff team, and I don't know about

2074
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:14,880
Speaker 2: one that makes noise, but yes, a playoff team in

2075
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Speaker 2: the NFC.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, certainly we've talked about the top

2077
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:25,720
Speaker 4: of the NFC in San Francisco, Philly, Detroit deserves to

2078
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:28,960
Speaker 4: be mentioned in that. So when you look at the

2079
01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:32,080
Speaker 4: NFC as opposed to Hey, if you're the five or

2080
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Speaker 4: six seed in the AFC, now you're going to you know,

2081
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:38,520
Speaker 4: Jacksonville or maybe Baltimore, you got a shot to go

2082
01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:41,360
Speaker 4: on the road and win. You know who knows. As

2083
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:44,160
Speaker 4: of right now, you're looking at Minnesota going on the

2084
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:47,200
Speaker 4: road to San Francisco. I don't know if both teams

2085
01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:49,000
Speaker 4: are playing at full strength, they go on the road

2086
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:51,680
Speaker 4: and get that win. But you never know how things

2087
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:54,160
Speaker 4: can shake out. You know, maybe they could draw a

2088
01:59:54,240 --> 01:59:57,480
Speaker 4: division opponent, the Detroit Lions. Certainly, we know all the

2089
01:59:57,600 --> 02:00:01,480
Speaker 4: pressure would be on the Detroit Lions hosting their first

2090
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:04,680
Speaker 4: home playoff game since I believe nineteen ninety one. So

2091
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Speaker 4: definitely things could be interesting here down the last month

2092
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Speaker 4: and a half of the season for the Minnesota Vikings.

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Speaker 2: My man, I said it earlier, I'll say it again.

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Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

2095
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Speaker 4: Thanks Mark, Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.

2096
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Speaker 2: All right, enjoy the heck out of the week and

2097
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Speaker 2: stay right where you are. Plank and spin you're coming

2098
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Speaker 2: up next. A week eleven in the NFL continues to

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Speaker 2: be center stage on FSR