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Speaker 1: now your hosts Casey Smith and Tyler Jones.
Speaker 2: Christmas time is here, but there's still time to kill
Speaker 2: it the year. This is Retfresh. Let's go. Welcome to
Speaker 2: Refresh Radio. I'm your host, Casey Smith. This is Tyler Jones.
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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas, Jimmy Christmas. That's right to commemorate
Speaker 2: one of the ogs of outdoor television, shooting Big Bucks
Speaker 2: on film. Man, you're raggling, Yeah, Roger ragling outdoors. He
Speaker 2: was doing it way back. You know, it's easy to
Speaker 2: be critical of some of the things that happened in
Speaker 2: early outdoor TV, but you got to realize that those
Speaker 2: guys are pioneers doing something no one had ever done.
Speaker 3: Before, creating a dust ball.
Speaker 2: It's western expansive, way faster than I am right now,
Speaker 2: but I'm kind of moving the speed of the deer
Speaker 2: right now, just moving kind of slow, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I think people across the country are either
Speaker 2: real hype because deer seasons just getting going, or real
Speaker 2: sad because it's over.
Speaker 3: It depends on where you're at.
Speaker 2: It's weird, how like, you know, everybody up north kind
Speaker 2: of gets all hype about this early season white Tail
Speaker 2: and then you know.
Speaker 3: Remember you're talking to Mark's fan base. Listen, I can
Speaker 3: speak that language. My mom's from Minnesota.
Speaker 2: But you know, around December tenth, that's all like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's over, you know whereas Like, dude, I mean, even
Speaker 2: in our backyards here in Texas, December we're in pretty
Speaker 2: far in North Texas, December tenth is still a good date,
Speaker 2: you know. And well we're looking at December today is
Speaker 2: this will come out Christmas Day, Okay? And you can actually,
Speaker 2: even in North Texas have good hunts at this point
Speaker 2: in the year if you've got good food or you
Speaker 2: know where betting is. And we're gonna talk to some
Speaker 2: different people around the country, a lot of more southern
Speaker 2: latitudes this week, but I thought it might be a
Speaker 2: good time because this is the last episode of Retfresh
Speaker 2: for the year, guys, to kind of reflect on some
Speaker 2: of the good interviews that we've had this year. I
Speaker 2: do believe we had our first perfect ten this year. Really, yes,
Speaker 2: we did. Someone I can't, I can't was it Alex
Speaker 2: Comstock that called up perfectly? Was like Parker or something.
Speaker 3: Might have been Parker. I don't know. Parker killed a
Speaker 3: big o' deer.
Speaker 2: There is a trend on Retfresh, okay, And I think
Speaker 2: that this is a good trend that a lot of
Speaker 2: people do a Refresh interview and then kill deer the
Speaker 2: next day.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 2: Michael Huncker did it. Mike Hunsucker, Alex Comstock did it,
Speaker 2: Parker did it?
Speaker 3: Who else? Someone? Charry Larson does it every year Cheryl Larson. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you want to kill a deer, just
Speaker 2: try to get on a re Fresh interview.
Speaker 3: Then there haven't been a few messages trying to get
Speaker 3: on who's our friend from Minnesota?
Speaker 2: That other guy he killed right away? Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 2: killed right away too. So like it's a thing. And
Speaker 2: I've found that, you know, people actually enjoy the information
Speaker 2: they get from Refresh, and that's not because of us.
Speaker 2: I'm a terrible interviewer, I think sometimes because I just
Speaker 2: asked the old mornings or evenings, you know. But you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of times it's pretty cool to actually talk
Speaker 2: to the boots on the ground folks. And you know,
Speaker 2: because I don't know what's going on in Maryland, you'll
Speaker 2: want to listen to me, but you do want to
Speaker 2: listen to Grant Forniy or whoever it may be up
Speaker 2: there hunting.
Speaker 3: That's uh, you know, knows what's going on in the
Speaker 3: woods for sure. Sure, man. Yeah, No, it's been fun.
Speaker 3: It's been it's been good. You know. I I I
Speaker 3: think I get a little bit maybe I don't know,
Speaker 3: jaded or whatever, a little underappreciative of the information that
Speaker 3: I get from this podcast, being so tightly connected to
Speaker 3: it that I don't sometimes see how much that information
Speaker 3: helps me on a week to week basis when I'm hunting. So, uh,
Speaker 3: it's good to kind of know that and talk to
Speaker 3: people and get a get a good you know idea. Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, for instance, one thing you said at one
Speaker 3: point was when you killed in Nebraska, you did a
Speaker 3: light rattling sequence once you hadn't really been doing and
Speaker 3: you talked to Mike Huntsucker about it, and he said
Speaker 3: he had done that Colorado, that week, So you try
Speaker 3: it and it actually works, you know, stuff like that,
Speaker 3: you're like doing the thing that Mike talked about. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's pretty cool for sure. It's uh, that's the thing,
Speaker 3: man is It's like, it's not you. It's not like
Speaker 3: you haven't heard that before or heard somebody talk about
Speaker 3: doing that before. It's just how how event and how
Speaker 3: like how you know recent have you heard that information?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And that's why this is good because whether you're hearing
Speaker 3: the same things or not week to week or even
Speaker 3: you know, things that you've heard before. When you hear
Speaker 3: that that week and then go out in the woods
Speaker 3: and maybe try that and be like, oh, yeah, that
Speaker 3: was the thing I used to do two years ago. Whatever,
Speaker 3: you try that thing again. It works. It's like, man,
Speaker 3: that was worth listening to. So I find it valuable
Speaker 3: in that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, man, I mean it's it's it's cool, and
Speaker 2: there's there's some value to having things top of mind,
Speaker 2: you know, like you might know something, but being reminded
Speaker 2: of it it is worth a whole lot too. You
Speaker 2: know that we as humans tend to have a problem
Speaker 2: with pride, and one of the pride things is that
Speaker 2: we think that we know all the right answers, and
Speaker 2: if you can just tell yourself, hey, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: I should listen to someone else and take their advice
Speaker 2: because they kill big deer too.
Speaker 3: Works out pretty well. Yeah, we also have a problem
Speaker 3: with top of mind stuff right now in our culture,
Speaker 3: just because of the smartphone. In my opinion, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like this is a thing that as soon as
Speaker 3: soon as your mind is at the least but not
Speaker 3: just fully entertained or you know, busy, it's like, let
Speaker 3: me grab my phone and look at the phone, and
Speaker 3: then there's not a whole lot of top of mind
Speaker 3: going on except for what you're being fed. So it's
Speaker 3: potentially good to sit there and listen to stuff, think
Speaker 3: about stuff, and have some things like rattling lightly be
Speaker 3: top of mind critical thought. Man, it's important thing I
Speaker 3: know how to do.
Speaker 2: Guys, I would be remiss if I didn't say something
Speaker 2: about it being Christmas time. I mean, Christmas is awesome
Speaker 2: for a lot of different reasons. If you believe that
Speaker 2: Jesus came to earth. I mean, it's a great time
Speaker 2: to celebrate that, it's a great time to be with family,
Speaker 2: and it's a great time to absolutely reflect on all
Speaker 2: the blessings that we have here as just you know,
Speaker 2: inhabitants of this world and to be able to chase
Speaker 2: these creatures around. And it's a lot, a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: And there are some guys that are out still hunting.
Speaker 2: We got some dudes to talk to you this week
Speaker 2: about some hunting around I would say the South, the
Speaker 2: semi South. We got actually some pretty good reports, right, Tyler,
Speaker 2: who are we talking to?
Speaker 3: We got a couple of good reports, a couple of
Speaker 3: bad reports, you know, or the reports weren't bad, it
Speaker 3: was just the numbers that year.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, honestly, it's important to be realistic, Yeah,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: That's part of the whole deal, right, that's knowing what
Speaker 3: to expect, when to take some time off, when to
Speaker 3: you know, spend time away from family or job or whatever.
Speaker 3: So this week, you know, we had our friends Scott Harness,
Speaker 3: which plug he's he's on this episode, but he's also
Speaker 3: on the Element podcast this week. So I think you know,
Speaker 3: what I talked to Scott about on the Element podcast
Speaker 3: this week was a lot of stuff about being a
Speaker 3: good kind of being a good hunting partner or hunting
Speaker 3: buddy or whatever. And then also we talked a lot
Speaker 3: about like what it's like to hunting Arkansas and what
Speaker 3: kind of tactics work. And I think that can and
Speaker 3: that can expand to you know, East Texas and Louisiana,
Speaker 3: Mississippi and Alabama and Tennessee and some of that stuff,
Speaker 3: because you've got kind of that south thing there, you know,
Speaker 3: that kind of a south or southeast thing there. So anyway,
Speaker 3: that was our podcast this week on the Element podcast.
Speaker 3: Feel free to go over there here and just a
Speaker 3: little bit probably plug it again at the end, but
Speaker 3: I talked to him and or we talked to him
Speaker 3: this this week. We also talked to our buddy Rob Mendoza.
Speaker 3: He's been in Missouri. I think he had a pretty
Speaker 3: much resident there nowadays because of how big of the
Speaker 3: deer he's chasing and what he's been after all year.
Speaker 3: Rob's got a great report for us. Our own guys
Speaker 3: helped us out this week as well. Greg Latham, who
Speaker 3: is just a connoisseur of Texas deer hunting. I mean,
Speaker 3: he is just all about it, everything about Texas. You know.
Speaker 3: Greg likes he likes him some SpaceX, he likes him
Speaker 3: some hill country deer hunting. He likes axis deer. In fact,
Speaker 3: he shot it access tore and so Greg has given
Speaker 3: us a report here in Texas, and I think there's
Speaker 3: not hardly a more worthy guy to do that. And
Speaker 3: then Casey Knight, who we call Cuppy Cup or Cupcake,
Speaker 3: he's on his way to Kentucky right now and has
Speaker 3: been there his whole life learning about the Kentucky Way.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna get that report from him as well. Awesome,
Speaker 3: let's get him on the phone. Now.
Speaker 2: I've got my brother, Scott Harness. He's hunting Arkansas. Actually
Speaker 2: he's in a grocery store hunting up some good old
Speaker 2: Christmas food. But he's been out in the woods in Arkansas. Scott,
Speaker 2: what's happening, man?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 5: Just having a good time getting ready for Christmas. The
Speaker 5: hours are, they're just melting away. It's almost time, I
Speaker 5: guarantee you, dude.
Speaker 2: Well, if a feller was still trying to fill an
Speaker 2: Arkansas tag, is it a good time right now?
Speaker 3: You know you're on the backside of it. I would
Speaker 3: say this.
Speaker 5: Just looking at my cameras and visiting with my friends,
Speaker 5: I'm still seeing a few people killing some nice deer
Speaker 5: and it some nice dear encounters, but it's it's not
Speaker 5: like it was. There's a lot of nighttime movement and
Speaker 5: they've moved back to food. The rut for the most
Speaker 5: part of the state is over. Now there's some there's
Speaker 5: some pockets where there will be some late rud activity,
Speaker 5: and I know a lot of people that capitalize on
Speaker 5: that and they swear by it. I have not had
Speaker 5: success doing that, but I know if you can find
Speaker 5: an acorn tree dropping, and a lot of times I
Speaker 5: hear that if you'll have like a year ling or
Speaker 5: something come in, or a dough that hadn't been bred.
Speaker 5: A lot of times they're pretty dumb. And that big
Speaker 5: old buckle just follow men late. He's not as he's
Speaker 5: not as on his guard as what he is other
Speaker 5: parts of the year.
Speaker 3: And they say they'll come in they make a kill.
Speaker 4: I personally can't witness to that.
Speaker 5: I would say, if you're going to kill a deer
Speaker 5: in Arkansas right now, I would shoot whatever comes by,
Speaker 5: because that's gonna be probably your best bet.
Speaker 3: A lot of your brethren there in Arkansas they go
Speaker 3: by the same thing. You know, to shoot whatever comes by.
Speaker 3: But do you do you would you hunt? Betting or
Speaker 3: food right now. If you had the options, well, I
Speaker 3: would hunt food.
Speaker 5: That's that's close to to to cover. If you want
Speaker 5: to see a buck, I think you can probably get
Speaker 5: a little a little bit away from the cover if
Speaker 5: you're if you're you know, trying to just put some
Speaker 5: meat in the freezer.
Speaker 3: But if you're trying to see a buck, you gotta
Speaker 3: you gotta go.
Speaker 4: You're gonna to be close to where he's he feels secure.
Speaker 3: And I move that far you think now.
Speaker 5: They're not moving far and they're not moving hardly any
Speaker 5: during the daylight. It's that that that testosterone is already
Speaker 5: diminished and they're they're back to their weary you know selves.
Speaker 5: And so unless there's a but here's the thing, you
Speaker 5: know as well as I do, there's that there's that
Speaker 5: group of doughs didn't get bread. They'll come back in
Speaker 5: and and if you find that, absolutely you might have
Speaker 5: a big buck, just one around right in the middle
Speaker 5: of the day.
Speaker 3: But it's just not like it was. Does the type
Speaker 3: of cover matter, like any particular vegetation or or you
Speaker 3: just think anything thick? I think anything thick.
Speaker 5: I think you know if you're if you're in a
Speaker 5: like a thick grassy field. A lot of times this
Speaker 5: time of year, that stuff's laid down. So it might
Speaker 5: been thick early, but it's not thick now. So you
Speaker 5: need to find something that's got some you know, high
Speaker 5: stem count. But it's got to be it's got to
Speaker 5: be robust because we've had some decent weather and some
Speaker 5: of that places that used to be thick, the grass
Speaker 5: is laid down and it's not near stick. They like
Speaker 5: it thick, thick, I'm talking thick.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So Arkansas is a state you can put corn on
Speaker 2: the ground, and I know a lot of people do it,
Speaker 2: and I ain't above it either, you know, especially if
Speaker 2: you're trying to fill a late season tag. It's a
Speaker 2: great way to do it. Do you have any tips
Speaker 2: for hunting around bait in the late season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's absolutely effective, really really effective. And I do
Speaker 5: it as well on some private land. I have a
Speaker 5: couple of pieces that I did on and if I
Speaker 5: was gonna do corn, the one thing that I don't
Speaker 5: see happening, and I'm not seeing it never happens in
Speaker 5: another somebody gonna say, well, I see it all the time,
Speaker 5: like feeders or mechanical devices. I just find that that
Speaker 5: bucks with any age on them at all, they just
Speaker 5: don't go around them.
Speaker 3: You're better off putting it on the ground.
Speaker 5: Back to that is is that it doesn't last long
Speaker 5: when you take all the raccoons and everything else. You know,
Speaker 5: you gotta be you gotta lay it on the ground,
Speaker 5: and you gotta be ready to hunt it, you know,
Speaker 5: pretty quick, or it's gonna be it's gonna be eating up.
Speaker 5: But I find much better success killing a buck with
Speaker 5: any age class late season by putting it on the
Speaker 5: ground and not not depending on some type of mechanical feeder.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cool, all right, So with all that in mind, and
Speaker 2: you know the discrepency and rup dates and all that,
Speaker 2: but it being pretty late. If you had to give
Speaker 2: buck movement daylight buck movement a scale of one to
Speaker 2: ten rating in the state of Arkansas, what are you gonna.
Speaker 3: Give it over the next week?
Speaker 5: Man, I'm gonna I hate to be Debbie of the Downer,
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna say five.
Speaker 3: Hey, I mean that's bad. That's bad. I ain't this
Speaker 3: neither down or up. Honestly, it's right.
Speaker 4: In the middle, you know.
Speaker 2: So that's pretty good. Yeah, I appreciate the report. Scott
Speaker 2: and appreciate you so much.
Speaker 3: Brother. Merry Christmas. Yeah, absolutely, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2: On the phone, I've got my buddy Rob Mendos with tether.
Speaker 2: He is down hunting in Missouri and he's just giving
Speaker 2: us a hard time. Honestly, he's just being a goofball. So, dude,
Speaker 2: what's happening?
Speaker 6: Not much, guys, how are you? How you been?
Speaker 2: Good man?
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas.
Speaker 6: Merry Christmas to you too and everybody out there listening.
Speaker 3: Thanks, dude.
Speaker 2: I think it's cool that, like you're figuring out how
Speaker 2: to hunt on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you just have to have a family with a
Speaker 6: farm and then get your your father in law down there,
Speaker 6: and it's like you're still with family, but you're kind
Speaker 6: of not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, easy enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah it works, man, that's cool. So you've been doing
Speaker 2: some hunting in Missouri. What are you doing right now?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 6: They're moving, they're moving in the daylight. Mark, I get
Speaker 6: a lot of activity the first two hours of daylight, obviously,
Speaker 6: and then last night I had five bucks within thirty
Speaker 6: yards or three of them at the same time, and
Speaker 6: all of them within an hour of each other, about
Speaker 6: an hour left the daylight, and they were crushing the
Speaker 6: some acorns?
Speaker 3: Really? What are those? Oh? Yeah, I got you? Okay,
Speaker 3: I got you.
Speaker 6: Now I forgot my dialog.
Speaker 3: Yeah you're in the South, now, bro, you gotta say
Speaker 3: it right when you're Missouri. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: Well, he's in South Missouri. Yeah, uh spit. But I
Speaker 2: kind of to actually play off of that a little bit.
Speaker 2: What kind of acorns are those that that the deer's
Speaker 2: still eating?
Speaker 6: These are actually where I was? Are the runnants of
Speaker 6: the white oaks?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 6: Was there a big surprise that I replaced some camera batteries,
Speaker 6: not really expecting much out of this one particular camera.
Speaker 6: But this ridge system is just getting hammered, it's getting
Speaker 6: lit up.
Speaker 3: Was it was there a big drop? I mean, was
Speaker 3: there a ton of acorns that dropped earlier this fall?
Speaker 3: Or was it just not a normal thing and they just,
Speaker 3: you know, they're they were especially heavy? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, yeah, probably i'd be looking for the was red,
Speaker 6: you know. But yeah, they seem to have enough left
Speaker 6: over that they're hitting them or at least scavenging them.
Speaker 3: Do you is there any sort of retin action that
Speaker 3: you can see or have seen on camera?
Speaker 6: I had two little bucks just messing around a lot
Speaker 6: of active scrapes, and I thought that it was probably
Speaker 6: just the dose, but the camera's told me otherwise, and
Speaker 6: watching him make a scrape yesterday, but it was probably,
Speaker 6: you know, a two and a half year old deer
Speaker 6: doing it. Let me two and a half year old
Speaker 6: deer battling each other for a minute.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this the So I've seen late
Speaker 3: season scrapes where deer don't even scrape the ground, but
Speaker 3: they'll use the licking branch. Still, did you actually see
Speaker 3: this deer scrape the ground with his hoofs?
Speaker 6: So the mega that I'm after it did was doing
Speaker 6: what you were talking about, just hitting the licking branch.
Speaker 6: The two and a half year old yesterday was digging
Speaker 6: in the scrape.
Speaker 3: Gotcha.
Speaker 2: So what kind of inferences are you making off of
Speaker 2: that show camera data? Are you just trying to inventory
Speaker 2: and see where that big Bucky is or are you
Speaker 2: kind of using that to backtrack him to betting?
Speaker 6: Now I'm trying to backtrack him to betting so that
Speaker 6: I can figure out where he's coming from, where he's
Speaker 6: going to. I thought last night was definitely one of
Speaker 6: my more high probability just based on what he was
Speaker 6: doing leaving the property the night before the wind and
Speaker 6: then his routine.
Speaker 3: Of coming back on the property. So he just didn't
Speaker 3: read the script. Are you are you? Do you have
Speaker 3: any agg around or is it pretty much just fully
Speaker 3: reliant on white oaks? No, there's not.
Speaker 6: I don't think, Well, your neighbors aren't farming anything right now.
Speaker 6: I don't think there's much eg around here. There's a
Speaker 6: couple little food plots in a neighboring property.
Speaker 3: So would you if you had food plots you think
Speaker 3: that'd be more effective than acorns right now?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like that might give some give a
Speaker 6: man an advantage.
Speaker 3: Really, So if you were if you had that on
Speaker 3: on a on the uh neighbor's property, you would you
Speaker 3: would be hunting deer that were moving to that as
Speaker 3: opposed to finding places that there's still white oak a
Speaker 3: white oak acorns on the ground.
Speaker 6: If I wanted to kill any buck, I'd probably be
Speaker 6: hunting over a food plot. If I wanted to kill
Speaker 6: a smart, mature animal who's been a hunted hard all
Speaker 6: season by all my neighboring properties, I'd probably be on
Speaker 6: on acorns.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, would you would you prefer to shoot this
Speaker 3: deer this year or have a chance out of next year?
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm letting that God decide that one.
Speaker 3: There you go, gotcha, gotcha? Very cool to you. Well,
Speaker 3: it sounds like you're on the deer. Uh.
Speaker 2: And it's you know, honestly a pretty uh. I don't know,
Speaker 2: just optimistic outlook on things. So I'm ready to hear
Speaker 2: what your number is on a scale of one to
Speaker 2: ten for buck movement in Missouri?
Speaker 3: What are you going to give it over the next
Speaker 3: week based off the.
Speaker 6: Past three days of having my cameras alive again, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna put it out a nine.
Speaker 3: Whoa, that is way up there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not a nine for everybody? Then, thank you Jesus.
Speaker 7: There you go, dude.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Well, hey, y'all go have a merry Christmas, have some
Speaker 2: phone family, and I appreciate the report.
Speaker 3: Dude, Hey, take care of guys.
Speaker 7: Merry Christmas, Happy New Year everybody.
Speaker 2: My good friend and guy who films me a lot,
Speaker 2: Greg Latham has been hunting in Texas, hunting like a maniac.
Speaker 3: Actually, Greg, what's happening, bro? Uh?
Speaker 8: No much, just trying to get a deer killed before
Speaker 8: the end of the Texas season.
Speaker 2: Hey, I have a question for you. Is this the
Speaker 2: latest that you haven't filled a Texas tag ever?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 8: Well, the first deer I ever killed, I kill him
Speaker 8: December twenty sixth.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, you possibly will be.
Speaker 2: You got a few days. You might kill a deer tonight.
Speaker 2: So that's uh, that's kind of cool. But the wind cooperates, yeah, ooh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a whole nother thing right at the weather. So
Speaker 2: let's talk about that in in in Texas right now?
Speaker 3: Whatater deer doing?
Speaker 8: Uh in Texas right now? The deer we're going everywhere
Speaker 8: this past week, but uh, the weather's not really cooperating
Speaker 8: neither cold front for deer to get really going. But
Speaker 8: it's a it's been pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2: So do you have cameras that are looking pretty good
Speaker 2: and you still have some pretty good suspects on the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I do have a giant buck I'm after right now,
Speaker 8: and he's been daylighting almost every day. Kind of it
Speaker 8: doesn't even matter what the weather is, but he's been
Speaker 8: showing up.
Speaker 2: Gotcha. That's cool. So what's it take weather wise? Are
Speaker 2: you trying to find a cold front? Are you trying
Speaker 2: to find just the right wind, or like, what's the deal?
Speaker 3: Why is he so hard to kill?
Speaker 8: Well, I've been waiting for a cold morning to like
Speaker 8: a frost, but I don't know if we're gonna get it.
Speaker 8: But I think I'm gonna get some lower forties here
Speaker 8: that next week, and I think that's when I'm gonna
Speaker 8: go in and try to kill him.
Speaker 3: Why do you need colder weather.
Speaker 8: Well, he seems to daylight mostly on the coldest day.
Speaker 3: He for sure daylight's on the coldest day.
Speaker 8: So if I can get that weather front, I'm probably
Speaker 8: gonna go in and try to kill him.
Speaker 3: So when he daylights on days that aren't cold, you're
Speaker 3: afraid that it's too aggressive and you might spook him,
Speaker 3: like once he gets in there, or what he's coming
Speaker 3: in or after you know it's dark and you leave
Speaker 3: or what.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if I go in there, I want to kill him.
Speaker 8: I don't want to mess around. Like sometimes on hotter
Speaker 8: days he's gonna show up, you know, the last few
Speaker 8: minutes of daylight. But on the cold, colder weather day,
Speaker 8: he usually shows up with good daylight.
Speaker 3: Got you so can you still in Texas? You know
Speaker 3: kind of use rut top tactics. So you're gonna be
Speaker 3: able to rake trees or rattle or whatever to kill deer.
Speaker 8: Right now in this particular part of Texas, I don't
Speaker 8: think so. But there are other parts of Texas it's
Speaker 8: like it's going down right now.
Speaker 2: Got But how would you determine if that's if you
Speaker 2: are in the zone on that, I.
Speaker 8: Mean judgment from trail camera data. I mean, you can
Speaker 8: kind of tell if the deer fired up or not.
Speaker 8: But I just know from history that this particular part
Speaker 8: of Texas is not the it's not going down right now,
Speaker 8: but there's still a little bit of red activity, but
Speaker 8: it's not as far as up fired up as they
Speaker 8: were like a month ago.
Speaker 3: So are there any Are there any food sources outside
Speaker 3: of corn that you you could focus on if you
Speaker 3: were in that part of Texas that had a little
Speaker 3: less red action going on.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, if you had wheat or oats planted,
Speaker 8: it would be it would be on. Like you're you're
Speaker 8: seeing a ton of deer and I'm kind of worried
Speaker 8: that my neighbors down the road have oats planted, and
Speaker 8: I'm worried that this buck might end up down there.
Speaker 3: So would you if you had, say you had a
Speaker 3: food planted like that, or or you had a wheat
Speaker 3: field planted on the neighbors next to you, would you
Speaker 3: hunt closer to the betting or closer to the food
Speaker 3: if you had an idea where the betting.
Speaker 8: Was, I would hunt closer to the food. Right now,
Speaker 8: deer seemed to be hammering food. We've had a couple
Speaker 8: of frosts and it seems like everything's dead. So they're
Speaker 8: hammering food right now.
Speaker 3: Gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 2: Is there any way that you could hunt a deer
Speaker 2: on a morning right now or is it just too risky?
Speaker 8: It's possible, but it's just it's just hard to know
Speaker 8: where they're coming from. In the evenings, it's like you
Speaker 8: kind of identify where the betting is and slip in
Speaker 8: and like get between them and the food, and it's
Speaker 8: not that hard. But in the in the mornings, you
Speaker 8: don't know where they're at, and they could be out
Speaker 8: cruising around and.
Speaker 3: Giving the left.
Speaker 8: I think, yeah, give me this.
Speaker 3: So in the next week, if you had to put
Speaker 3: a number on buck movement in the daytime on a
Speaker 3: scale of one to ten, what are you gonna give it? Uh?
Speaker 8: Where I'm hunting right now, it's gonna be about a six.
Speaker 3: Gotcha? What about it? What about elsewhere where? You say
Speaker 3: it's going on.
Speaker 8: Elsewhere, there's place in Texas that's going down. I'd say
Speaker 8: the next week is an eight or nine.
Speaker 2: All right, good numbers out there, sir Well. I have
Speaker 2: full confidence that you're gonna get it done this week.
Speaker 3: Man. Uh, Merry Christmas to kill a big buck. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas. This is the Element's own Casey Night.
Speaker 2: He is currently in root to the second greatest state
Speaker 2: in the country, Kentucky, to get you know, some of
Speaker 2: that home cooking, but also to do a little deer hunt.
Speaker 2: Right You've been kind of conversing with friends and family
Speaker 2: and and looking at Chuck Hard and pictures and stuff.
Speaker 3: Man, what's going on in Kentucky right now?
Speaker 9: Casey Well, I think you know the party's pretty much over.
Speaker 9: You know, it's I think it's time to just start
Speaker 9: going back to hunting.
Speaker 4: Bed to food.
Speaker 9: You might have a little bit of rud action if
Speaker 9: you have a hot dough in the area for some
Speaker 9: stupid reason, but other than that, you know two words
Speaker 9: corn pile. That's probably what what if you have that option,
Speaker 9: you need to be focusing on because some some kind
Speaker 9: as you can't bait anymore. So, but if you have
Speaker 9: that option to hunt over you know, a bait pile
Speaker 9: or just a good food source in general, I'd say
Speaker 9: that's probably your best bed.
Speaker 3: Corn pile is one word Eese Texas In case you're wondering,
Speaker 3: So what if you don't have that option? Is there
Speaker 3: like cut agfields or something that deer using, you know.
Speaker 9: I'd say yeah, probably if I mean, you know, if
Speaker 9: you have you know, act like a cut cornfield or
Speaker 9: something that you know, some corns left over from the harvest.
Speaker 4: I've seen them, like on my lease.
Speaker 9: That happens quite a bit when there's corn, you know,
Speaker 9: the farmer hill cut and then there's quite a bit
Speaker 9: of corn just scattered on the ground and I'll see
Speaker 9: him beating on it up until like late January or
Speaker 9: whenever the seasons, I guess.
Speaker 2: So, do you think that you could hunt mornings still
Speaker 2: or is it pretty much gonna be evenings only at
Speaker 2: this point in time?
Speaker 4: I mean historically when I hunt this time of yere,
Speaker 4: I'm seeing most of the action in the evenings for sure.
Speaker 3: What's the what's the weather looking like in the next week,
Speaker 3: Are we gonna get any cold weather?
Speaker 9: From what I saw, I don't think it's going to
Speaker 9: be super cold. I think I mean most of the
Speaker 9: days are going to be in the forties or fifties,
Speaker 9: which I feel like is a little bit warm for
Speaker 9: this time of year. Usually usually I think by this
Speaker 9: time we're seeing like thirties. I mean, sometimes we'll get
Speaker 9: in the twenties. But I think it's gonna be pretty
Speaker 9: warm in this next coming week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for those northern latitudes. So you expect that deer
Speaker 3: movement is going to be late in the evening or
Speaker 3: is that going to depend on any other variables.
Speaker 4: I would expect late in the evening.
Speaker 9: I know last year I was on quite a bit
Speaker 9: in like late December early January, and I wasn't really
Speaker 9: seeing much until the last I mean the last hour
Speaker 9: a lot pretty much.
Speaker 3: So that that would mean that if you had a
Speaker 3: bunch of holiday stuff going on, but you're only able
Speaker 3: to get out for the last hour or so, that
Speaker 3: it would still be worth going out. Probably.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'd say if you've got a buck on camera
Speaker 9: that you know is hitting food consistently and you kind
Speaker 9: of know what he's doing, I'd say it's definitely still
Speaker 9: worth getting.
Speaker 3: Out there, gotcha. Gotcha.
Speaker 2: Okay, So are you going to spend much time glassing
Speaker 2: and observing or since you have kind of like a
Speaker 2: short amount of time here, you're just going to hop
Speaker 2: in in a place that's historically good.
Speaker 9: Probably, I'm just gonna hop in a place that I
Speaker 9: know I've seen him use in the past. That's probably.
Speaker 9: I think that's going to be my best option at
Speaker 9: this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha. Do you have decent targets that are still
Speaker 2: showing up on uh camera? I know, you know, we
Speaker 2: kind of talked like Kentucky doesn't have a lot of
Speaker 2: a gun season, but you said their gun season is
Speaker 2: in the heart of the rut, So I would imagine
Speaker 2: that kind of puts an impact on how many are
Speaker 2: still around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely noticeable.
Speaker 9: Uh you know, you have all these deer on camera
Speaker 9: before gun season, then once getting season, it's all disappear
Speaker 9: because they're probably all there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't I have a like maybe two.
Speaker 9: On camera that I might shoot, but the pretty time,
Speaker 9: I pretty love steam.
Speaker 3: So are they going to be would you be closer
Speaker 3: to betting or would you be closer to food in
Speaker 3: this situation, Well.
Speaker 9: I probably I like being close to bedding because you
Speaker 9: have a better chance of seeing him earlier on in
Speaker 9: the evening if you're closer to bedding, catching them going
Speaker 9: from the bed to food.
Speaker 4: So I like to be closer to bed.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, gotcha, we know that. Yeah, we know you like sleep.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, I'm gonna use his nickname because that's
Speaker 2: how we actually know him. And this is Cupcake, Cuppy
Speaker 2: or cup and so cup. If you had to rank
Speaker 2: buck movement daylight buck movement on a scale of one
Speaker 2: to ten in the state of Kentucky over the next week,
Speaker 2: what would you give it.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to give it a three. Three.
Speaker 9: There's still a chance you might catch a little bit
Speaker 9: of ruddy Buck, but I think chances are pretty slim.
Speaker 2: Hey, I appreciate the honest number three is a very
Speaker 2: realistic number I would imagine.
Speaker 3: So a way to go, dude.
Speaker 2: Hey, I hope you still get it done up there, man,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate you, dude.
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all too, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Those are better reports than I expected for the last
Speaker 2: retfresh of the season. There's still a lot of optimism
Speaker 2: and a lot of reason to be in the woods.
Speaker 2: I hope everybody gets what they wanted for Christmas, and
Speaker 2: what you should have wanted was just some time with
Speaker 2: your family and friends and to be thankful for the
Speaker 2: stuff that we get and bucks. Yeah maybe you maybe
Speaker 2: you did get something that you really wanted, like a
Speaker 2: new Element T shirt or something.
Speaker 3: Who knows, Yeah you didn't because.
Speaker 2: But anyways, guys, thank y'all so much for listening throughout
Speaker 2: this season. It's been a blast getting to talk to
Speaker 2: everybody and to actually hear from folks who said that
Speaker 2: Refresh helped them out. And I'm thankful that, uh, the
Speaker 2: effort that we can put in can actually be useful
Speaker 2: for you all to get some good information.
Speaker 3: From Hey, quick tip, don't just focus on your family.
Speaker 3: There are people out there that can be kind of
Speaker 3: lonely this time of year, So make sure that you
Speaker 3: send a text to somebody if you think they might
Speaker 3: not have a whole lot of family goings on. Might
Speaker 3: just be the thing that helps them optimistically get through
Speaker 3: this season. So do that real quick, and then also
Speaker 3: head on over to the Element podcast here in just
Speaker 3: a second and check out the episode that I did
Speaker 3: with Scott pre Christmas here this week on the Element
Speaker 3: podcast about Arkansas hunting and just live stuff and appreciate
Speaker 3: all the support on the Element podcast as well here
Speaker 3: on the Wire to Hunt podcast. You guys keep the
Speaker 3: lights on and make this thing a possibility for us
Speaker 3: and we're blessed by you guys for sure. Marry Christmas.
Speaker 2: This has been rough, fresh, keep it fresh.