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Speaker 1: Ah, this is Leslie Frasier and this is the NFL

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Speaker 1: Players Second Acts Podcast. Thank you all for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: I'm Peanut tuning and this is the NFL player Second

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Speaker 2: Acts Podcast. This is my guy Roman Harper. We gotta

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Speaker 2: go one for y'all today. You know, I think it's beautiful. Also,

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Speaker 2: let me just get all the particulars out the way,

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Speaker 2: all right. Anyway you listen to us, thank you, and

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Speaker 2: Click follow continue to tell a friend, to tell a friend,

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Speaker 2: to tell a friend, and we want to pick this

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Speaker 2: thing up. We got a great guest today. I'm very

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Speaker 2: very excited for who we have in the building today.

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Speaker 2: I literally just want to start the interview because I

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Speaker 2: want that we're not going to spill it all before

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Speaker 2: we ever record. So let's just cut the camera on.

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Speaker 2: Let's go, Peanut, who we got here. As a matter

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Speaker 2: of fact, I'm gonna tell you we got we got

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Speaker 2: coach Leslie Fraser here today. I was just telling him

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Speaker 2: how excited I am to talk to you because I

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Speaker 2: didn't know your whole complete background. I only knew you

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Speaker 2: as coach Leslie Fraser. I didn't know the player who

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Speaker 2: was and is inside Leslie Fraser.

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Speaker 1: You can give them all the details Peanut with his resume.

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Speaker 2: But it's just a real honor because the moment we

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Speaker 2: this is like I'm immediately excited because I can talk.

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Speaker 1: Ball all day long. I love it.

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Speaker 2: It was my first love, and I immediately become passionate

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Speaker 2: when I get around on other dB guys immediately about it.

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Speaker 2: Especially when you play the position, you understand it so

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Speaker 2: much more. So let's go and let's really just dive

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Speaker 2: into it. No, I don't even think I need to

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Speaker 2: read his bio because you it makes no sense to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I want I want to pick up on

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Speaker 1: what Roman just said.

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Speaker 1: That familiarity when you're around defensive backs and that that

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Speaker 1: and I feel that. You know, when you came in

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Speaker 1: you know, Roman throughout his career having success both in

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Speaker 1: makes a difference. And you know, just just being and

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Speaker 1: you guys exemplify that. Man. You both understood it took

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to try out for somebody to I.

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Speaker 2: Think it's so special as well as like you know,

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Speaker 2: know what, I should just try it, like it doesn't

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Speaker 2: You got something really special there, and that is what

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Speaker 2: putting up those numbers? Right, But it's more the fact

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Speaker 2: we just cut the TV off. We're happy as Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: But in my mind I was thinking, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: So I told him, I said, you know what, why

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Speaker 1: and they said, no, no, that's that you'd be at risk.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to take that risk. And that was

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Speaker 1: But a little did I know God had a different plan, right,

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Speaker 1: it's worked out really well.

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Speaker 2: that fear or was it truly like, you know what,

432
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 2: I think, this is just the opportunity, and God tell

433
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 2: me I need.

434
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: To do this. That's pretty much what it came down to,

435
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 1: because I if I had gotten my range in my

436
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: own mind, I probably would have taken that Seattle route.

437
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,640
Speaker 1: But I knew when I was doing my workouts, I

438
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 1: couldn't like burst, you know, I couldn't get the person

439
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta know you man, you.

440
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 2: Got the Merriman said yes today, Yes, the same same

441
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 2: exact thing, Like I just didn't have.

442
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: That first step like that burst, like I felt it

443
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: right and you.

444
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: Know yourself, you know, yeah, even though the medical Yeah,

445
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: I was fine physically, I knew in my heart.

446
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,959
Speaker 1: So I said, if I if I walk away from this,

447
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: I really feel like walking away from what God has

448
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: called me to do. To your point, and uh, and

449
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: it's probably one of the maybe the best decision ever

450
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 1: made in my life to to go ahead and accept

451
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: that that opportunity and now I was. It was challenging

452
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: for sure, starting the program from scratch with no previous

453
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 1: experience and all that, but UH learned a lot on

454
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: the fly. Oh man. It was a great experience for

455
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: me nine years, you know, being the head coach there

456
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: and early on, you know, we were the homecoming team

457
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 1: for everybody, and uh, you know, we got that turnaround

458
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: and won some conference championships, had a guy to get

459
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: drafted to the forty nine ers there. It is, so

460
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: it was, you know, we were just very very blessed there.

461
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: And you know, before I left, I mean they named

462
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Speaker 1: the field after me. So it was. It was tremendous.

463
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 1: Man and the president, doctor Ken Mayer, was outstanding and

464
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Speaker 1: he was my biggest proponent. Uh, was in my corner

465
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Speaker 1: throughout and just you know, helped me navigate those waters.

466
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Speaker 1: And what I did was I called as many of

467
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Speaker 1: my own coaches as I could and just ask questions,

468
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: you know, how do you do this? How do you

469
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: do that? And some things they had never had to

470
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: do that I was doing. I mean we had to

471
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Speaker 1: to get money to build a weight room and all

472
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: those things. You know, you're a fundraiser, you're a head coach. Uh,

473
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: you're out there line the fields. You know, you're hiring

474
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: the staff. I mean all these things and everything. You're

475
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: doing everything, everything scratching, You've never done it before. So

476
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: but it was good for me because it's helped me

477
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: throughout my coaching career some of those things I went

478
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: through at Trinity, UH to be able to see things

479
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: from a different perspective. Now, it's different when you start

480
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 1: off as the head coach. And so when I got

481
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: my first job as an assistant to someone else, that

482
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: was a challenge because I was so used to right,

483
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: what what was I wanted to know what was that? Like?

484
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: I mean, the first time you're working under somebody else,

485
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 2: And how did the coaches dynamic I think is always crazy.

486
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: Saw it in Carolina all the time because Sean McDermott

487
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: naturally is a defensive back coach, but he's a defensive

488
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: coordinator and Steve Wilkes is his defensive back room. So

489
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: it's like this dynamic is always and it's like, I mean,

490
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 2: I know it's your defense, but like this is my room.

491
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 2: So how does that dynamic always have to play out?

492
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 2: In learning how to be a good teammate As a coach.

493
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: I had to learn that. I had to learn what

494
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: servant leadership was. Yeah, and that's a great urn. Yeah.

495
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: So I was looking for that. So when I went

496
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: to the University of Illinois with Ron Turner who was

497
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: the head coach, who was a former Chicago Bear coach

498
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: as well, and he asked me to come down and

499
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Speaker 1: be the defensive back coach. And it's it's a story

500
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: behind that as well. I was just I was thirty

501
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: nine years old at you know, being at Trinity for

502
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: that period of time when when when I started at Trinity,

503
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know if it would be lifelong, could have been,

504
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: could have been. Uh. But I got to a point

505
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: where I said, if I don't leave now, I don't

506
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: know if I'll ever leave. Because I had gotten really

507
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: confident that we had built the program up, we were

508
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: a good program. Now on one of the better teams

509
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: and n I uh at football after winning some conference championship,

510
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: being ranked as high as third in the nation. We've

511
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 1: done some good things. And but in my heart, I

512
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: was like, I think there's more. I think there's more

513
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: I can do. And and so when Ron called, I said,

514
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it a shot. And I and as

515
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: long as my wife was, was good with it, because

516
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: I knew once I left Trinity, because I mean, that

517
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: could be a job you can stay for the rest

518
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: of life once you leave there and get on this

519
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: this this this wheel, it's a journey now. And I

520
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: knew that from experience, just just seeing friends of mine

521
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: who were in coaching, and she was good with it.

522
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: Uh So I told Ron will come down. And so

523
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: when that first staff meet him and that I'm not running,

524
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there listening and watching. That was just awkward.

525
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,479
Speaker 1: You know, for me, it was just just an awkward feeling.

526
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: But I learned to accept my role and to support

527
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: the head coach. That was what was most important, because

528
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: that's what I needed when I was in that chair,

529
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: and you know, I needed to have that attitude and

530
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: and and and be that that servant leader in that role.

531
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Speaker 1: And I've always thought about that all throughout my times

532
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: when I've been an assistant, the importance of being a

533
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: good assistant coach and really helping that head coach to

534
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: be the best that he can possibly be.

535
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, how has it been. This is your first

536
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: offseason not coaching. I went to a game last year

537
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: and I saw Rob mary Nelly, one of the great

538
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: defensive minds in the game, great defensive defensive line coach,

539
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: and I went up to one of the suites and

540
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: the play is going, and he is literally he's looking,

541
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Speaker 2: you know, he's looking at the play. No, okay, okay,

542
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: and then he coach ain't come back, and he watched

543
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: it like he watched the entire game like he was

544
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: still he was in he was in the booth, he

545
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: was but he was in the suite.

546
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: He was in.

547
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: Coach Coach Eberfle was the sweet but he watched the

548
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: play would go and he leaned down, he leaned for

549
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: and put his hands on his knees. Okay, and they

550
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 2: huddle up. Oh they're back okay, And I just I

551
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: was just like, how you doing it? He was like, oh,

552
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: still stressing. I've been still stressing. He has no skin

553
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: in the game. But he was like, it's just it's tough,

554
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: and it's my first time that I'm not coaching, and

555
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 2: he goes on, I don't know, I don't know, but

556
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: it's I gotta give it. I just gotta give it time.

557
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: It'll get better. But like he when I say, he

558
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: was like locked in. Even in the booth, he was

559
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: like dialed all the way in. So, how has it

560
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: been for you? Well, we haven't gotten there yet, but

561
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 2: how do you think it'll be for you? Being you know,

562
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: you haven't coached. This is the first time you haven't

563
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: coached in a really long.

564
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: Time, really long time, forty years, so you're playing and coaching,

565
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: So I'm sure it's going to be challenging. Probably similar

566
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: to Rod. I hope quite that extent, but I'm sure

567
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: it's going to be similar. What has helped me is,

568
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, some of the things we're doing here at

569
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: the NFL Network, you know, going out to training camps,

570
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: doing the show in the studio, we could go with

571
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: the preseason. That takes my mind to a different place,

572
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: so I see the game from a different perspective, and

573
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: that's helped me. If I were just sitting around and

574
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: trying to keep up with what's going on in the league.

575
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'd be like Rod, I'd be pulling my

576
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: hair out, going crazy, you know. But I'm able to

577
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: look at the game a little bit differently right now.

578
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: Now the regular season may be different, you know, we

579
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: haven't gotten there yet, but for now I can distion

580
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: to myself a little bit. You know, you do have

581
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: friends you want to pull forward in the league, but

582
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: just a different perspective when you are on this side, yeah,

583
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: versus being right in it.

584
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: So what's been the biggest adjustment being on this side

585
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: in the media now though, being being an analyst, What's

586
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: what's been the biggest adjustment for you?

587
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: Probably the biggest thing is when we're preparing for a

588
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 1: team or or teams and coaching, you're locked in on

589
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: that opponent, as you guys know, you spend so many

590
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: hours man on just getting to know that opponent for sure,

591
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: Whereas in the broadcast business, you've got to know the league,

592
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: you know. You guys know rosters from this team to

593
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: that team, you know, So it's totally different in that way.

594
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: You don't lock in on that opponent and get to

595
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: know them like you know yourself almost right. And so

596
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: that's that's probably been the biggest adjustment, just getting to

597
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: know the entire league because at any moment, you could

598
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: be talking about Cleveland today, you're talking about Detroit tomorrow,

599
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: or within the same conversation. So learning those different rosters

600
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: and being able to communicate what you know.

601
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: So a couple of years ago, I was at a

602
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: basketball game and it happened to be it was a

603
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: Jordan tournament, and so it was all the Jordan teams

604
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: in college and basketball, and North Carolina was there and

605
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: the former coach Roy Williams, who's been there for forever.

606
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: He literally was like your guy, Rod Marinelli. He was

607
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: He's on there and I'm s by his wife. We're

608
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: right there, and he's just like, he's like coaching, but

609
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: he's not coaching.

610
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: Retired.

611
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in his mind he can't turn it off.

612
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: How hard has it been, because you you probably never

613
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: turned off. You see things you're like, oh, and you're

614
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: constantly coaching. How does it? How is like, how do

615
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: you guys ever turn it off? It's almost in your

616
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: DNA at this point, you've been doing it since you

617
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: were twenty six years old. Yeah, and so you don't

618
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: know any any better. How is that manageable? And is

619
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: your wife just used to it and you just just

620
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: ignores it that like when you're watching a game at

621
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: home you're not on the sidelines, Like, how do you

622
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: handle those moments? Because those are the moments when nobody's watching, right,

623
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: And I know you can't help yourself the most.

624
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: You're exactly right. It's just it's hard to turn it off. Yeah,

625
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: because I don't think you can turn them. I don't

626
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: think any coach will turned off. Yeah. I don't think

627
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: my dad was a coach. I don't think they turned

628
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: it off at all. You saw it.

629
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the same right now, all me and he's like,

630
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, you know, he's telling me about

631
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: on side kicks, like how.

632
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: To block it up?

633
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: All right, Dad, He's just he's just turn it off.

634
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: Somebody gave up when he said, it's just what you're

635
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: supposed to do and drawing it up on a paper.

636
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: I want to know how you guys, as coaches, how

637
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: do you ever get to that?

638
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't or do you never get to it? Yeah?

639
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm still in the early stages. But the

640
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: guys I've talked to. They're more like your dad, more

641
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: like you know, want to talk fall all the time

642
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: and see things in a ball game, call you up

643
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: and talk about them, and that's okay. Uh, you know,

644
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: everybody has their different ways. I think it's important to

645
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: find a hobby though. I'm my son who is a

646
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: scott with the Ravens. He's been he's been encouraging me

647
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: to get in the golf or something something to give

648
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: you a deflection from football. So I'm going to find that.

649
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to find a hobby and and and try

650
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 1: to do that and not just be so uh single

651
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: minded like I was when I was coaching. Otherwise, Man,

652
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: how do you enjoy your your time away? You know

653
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: you look at the time, you're so stressed. I don't

654
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: want to be like that, right.

655
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: You've talked about it, because you still you'd like to

656
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: be a head coach.

657
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: You give at some point I would, now, you know,

658
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: you hope that would happen. I'm taking a different route,

659
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, stepping away. I have and uh, but I

660
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: really felt in my mind roaming that this was if

661
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: it was going to happen, this was the way it

662
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: would happen. Things weren't working, no matter how much success

663
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: we had in Buffalo to get in front of people

664
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: and talk to him about jobs. So I said, you know,

665
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm getting to a point in my career where you

666
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: know that the sand is running out of the hour glass,

667
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: and UH, if I'm going to do this, this is

668
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: the time to do it. And made a decision. And

669
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: so I'm hoping that that an owner when this is

670
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: all over with, when the season's old with, UH, I'll

671
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: be able to get in front of an ownership group

672
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: and and talk to him about some opportunities. Yeah.

673
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: So what coach McCarthy stepped away for you, sh and Peyton,

674
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: they stepped away four year Sean did a little bit

675
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: of broadcast kind of the media, and UH was able

676
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: to talk to the Broncos ownership.

677
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: And landing them a gig a year later. So yeah, man, I.

678
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: I salute you, and I hope that that we we

679
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: speak that in existence and into fruition. And I'm rooting

680
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: for you. I'd love to come to your new team

681
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: and whatever team it is, and come talk to him

682
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: about turnovers, because I know what kind of a.

683
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: Whole all the way around and come back like, man,

684
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: look at that it's me. It is not me. I

685
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: wish the.

686
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: One thing I'm really sad about that was, like I

687
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: wish you know, I played for Lovey Smith, another great

688
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: defensive mind, but I wish we would have been able

689
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: to like you could have been our decordinator, DV coach

690
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: or just something with with our defense because we had

691
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: some man, we had a good squad and we have

692
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: some great coaches, and I knew you would have only

693
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: blessed us even more with your defensive mind and what.

694
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: You got the rod.

695
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: And like I just I wish I could have been

696
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: a part or you could have been. We could have

697
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: linked up at some point in time and been a

698
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: part of a dev like it just would have been.

699
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: I thought I was a good player. I couldn't been

700
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 2: even a.

701
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: Better player, you know what I'm saying.

702
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 2: Like I just I wish we could have just man,

703
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: I wish I could have been blessed for you to.

704
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: Be a part of what we was with. Well, we

705
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: don't know how this thing's gonna end, but I will

706
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: be calling both of you when the time comes, and

707
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: we will utilize your talents on a different way. I

708
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: love that we're gonna take a short break and we'll

709
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: be right back. You know, let me. I just got

710
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: a ball question.

711
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: It is what is so, coach, this is what I've

712
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: heard about Leslie Fraser's defense and not this is my

713
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: first time Actagan to.

714
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: Talk to you.

715
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: I gotta ask, and so I always want to know

716
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 2: when you guys did a lot of stacks or trip

717
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: a bunch for ormations. I had guys that came from

718
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: your system and they said, Coach, Leslie Fraser doesn't let

719
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: us like in and out it he wants him. No,

720
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: this is your guy, you go with it. And he

721
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: didn't let him in and out. I'm like, it's so

722
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: much easier just to do that in and out.

723
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: No banjos.

724
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: It was like a huge because I'm a banjo guy.

725
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: Love.

726
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm a banjo guy. Love it to death, all right.

727
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: He's like no, and banjo means like me and you.

728
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: So he if me and him are working together, me

729
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: and Peanut and we're placing two guys, the first one

730
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: goes out, I got him because I'm out, and you

731
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: got the next one. If not, we're gonna lock it

732
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: and my guy goes wherever he goes. I got him,

733
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: and you got your guy. Wherever he goes. We're not banjo,

734
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: we're not working together. We're independent contractors. But when we

735
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: banjo everybody together, it just to me, it just seems easier.

736
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: It's flowy, it just goes. Could you expl Yes, this

737
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: was the one big time Like why does any do that?

738
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't know.

739
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: It's just coach Fraser, I've evolved that part of it.

740
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: If and I heard that too, if Buffalo you evolved

741
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: to that.

742
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,959
Speaker 1: If you if you get a tight stack, yes, it's

743
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: just easier to be in and out. Yes, however way

744
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: you want to call it. So, but one thing that

745
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: happens sometimes is when you are as you guys know,

746
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: when you're banjoin it, when you're playing it out or

747
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: whatever you call it. We both got see it the same.

748
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: Oh man, hey, hey hey, praise Like what we do?

749
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: What do we do? Time we lock it? Yeah, community miscommunication,

750
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: it's over lock. I got my man, You got your man,

751
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: makes it clean. That's exactly when get executed. Minute you

752
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: mess up, right, that's such a coach, I mean, was

753
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: your man? What was that he spoke? He's spoken? You

754
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: know these are dbs right here, this is you know

755
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: what you guys I believe would be the same way. Man,

756
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: if you see them out there struggling with the communication,

757
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, how can I simplify it right place?

758
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, think I don't want

759
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: us to beat ourselves. I agree, you know, if you

760
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: better than me, hey, congratulations, But for us to be

761
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: making minial mistakes or busting stuff, No, you got no chance,

762
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: you got no chants, you got no chance. In the back,

763
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: we lost it. I like that. I like that. I

764
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: like that's why I had to ask you. I had to.

765
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: We started going to the boss said all, this is

766
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: what I've been hearing. All I gotta enough. I got it,

767
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: and you're right. And I heard you evolved as you

768
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: continue to progress. And this was like a big thing.

769
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: And they said, like, he's like because he knows exactly

770
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: who messed it up. If we lock it, then we

771
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: know this.

772
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: This is one thing I learned from Buddy Ryan, who's

773
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,959
Speaker 1: our decordinator in Chicago. He would do a good job.

774
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: He needed listening to the players. You know, he had

775
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: his scheme, a renowned scheme, that forty six defense. But

776
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Roman, if I came

777
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: to him and I said, okay, I don't know if

778
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: you guys for me with this name. Cliff Branch Fast

779
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: got a Hall of Famer Funderraiders from the Raiders, great player.

780
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: Use him as an example. We were a big press team.

781
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: So if I say to him, hey, buddy, because he's

782
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: telling me you got to handle a Cliff branch and

783
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm watching tape, man, I'm saying, man, I don't know

784
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: if I can press him every down. Man, this guy

785
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: is like tough at the line, and if he gets

786
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: a step, he's gone. He's gone. I ain't gonna catch him.

787
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: So I say to Buddy, I said, I don't want

788
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: to press him all the time. I got to be

789
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: able to be up and back and mix it up.

790
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: What you whatever you need to do, Leslie, If that's

791
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: what you think you need to do to get get

792
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: the job done, get the job done. Man. You know

793
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: what that does for a player when the coach listens

794
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah. And so I didn't want to be

795
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: one of those coaches who wouldn't listen. So when the

796
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: guys were said, hey, coach, this is better sometimes, and

797
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: this is why I said, Okay, that's fine, let's try it.

798
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: But just like, but it told. But if that's gonna

799
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: if that's gonna help you to do your job, that's

800
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: all right. Now. If I don't get it done, then

801
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: I got to go back and do it the way

802
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: he wants it done. Right. But he's trusting me based

803
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: on what I've seen on tape and knowing my abilities

804
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: as well, that he's trusting my judgment. So as a player,

805
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: that empowers me, man and make this work when you

806
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: have a coach like that, and that's that was one

807
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: of the beautiful things about playing for a guy like

808
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: Buddy is as great as he was as a coordinator.

809
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: He would listen to the players. Now at some point,

810
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: you know he's going to say, you know, we got

811
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: to do it this way for this reason, and then

812
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: you have to accept that. As a player, what was

813
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: it like?

814
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm kind of I've been around him just

815
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: living in Chicago, being a Chicago Bear. I've seen a

816
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: lot of the eighty five Bears, and I've heard I've

817
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: heard some stories. But the listeners and the YouTubers are

818
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: watching this channel and show right now. Give us a

819
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: couple of stories of what it was like playing with

820
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: Walter Payton, Dan Hampton.

821
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: Do you guys.

822
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: Before Mongo guys were so the curve, you guys had prominality.

823
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had.

824
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: I mean I never forget because Ron Rivera was like

825
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: our two to twenty fifteen team. He's like, you guys

826
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: remind me so much of the eighty five team. He's like,

827
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: just the personality's like, you guys's biggest strength is being

828
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: who you are, Like nobody else is caring. You guys

829
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: are taking pictures on the sideline. He's like, that's your

830
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: biggest strength. He's like, being who you are, be who

831
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: you are. I love you for who you are to me,

832
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 2: That's what he's always And he was like it reminded

833
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: him so much of that team, and he would always

834
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: it was very passionate.

835
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: He loved that team because of that.

836
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: And you guys are so successful and you guys are

837
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: so ahead of the curve, like Peanutsan just like, give

838
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: us some great stories of that team, because you guys

839
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 2: are I mean, you're one of the greatest of all time.

840
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: You even won a Super Bowl since nineteen eighty five,

841
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 2: and the people in Chicago still treat the eighty five

842
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: Bears like.

843
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: It happened last year.

844
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 2: I keep you like, it's like what LaRoy Buller say,

845
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: it's like living on scholarship there, living on scholarship all

846
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: the time.

847
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: Like, man, you're right, man, when you go back, when

848
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: I do, go back whenever I can. You do feel

849
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: like you're standing in time. You know, people haven't forgotten.

850
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know I you know, you guys

851
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: one while you were.

852
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: Playing, Oh my god, how are you telling I hear

853
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: it from this clown all the time. He's always making

854
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: fun of me for not winning one. He's throwing it

855
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: in my face.

856
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: But now, we had some great personalities, man, starting with

857
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: our quarterback, you know, Jim McMahon was. He was incredible

858
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: and I think one of the one of the things

859
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: he did to endear himself to our players. Our head

860
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: coach could be really hard on players if you weren't

861
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: playing at a certain level, and Jim was one of

862
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: those guys man, who he didn't care. You know, he

863
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: didn't care what this coach said or that coach said.

864
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: And and some guys, as you guys know, will shrink

865
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: under pressure. But Jim, like he kind of lifted all

866
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: the pressure and said, put it on my back. And

867
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: so the players loved him for that, and you know,

868
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: he'd say things to the coaches. I can't repeat some

869
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: of the things. He's a safe man. But you be like, man,

870
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: he's talking to coaches like that, and you'd be like,

871
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: that's good because they deserve that the way they're talking

872
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: to us, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But

873
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: have a teammate like that. And then you know Walter

874
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: being as great as he was, uh, the ultimate prankster,

875
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: you know, always pulling pranks. Nowhere in training camp, man,

876
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: you you're getting your rest, all of a sudden, the

877
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: fire alarm goes off. You're thinking, you know, something bad's happening,

878
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: and there's Walter outside when you run outside, laughing at

879
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: everybody because there's no fire alarm. There's no fire. It's

880
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: just you know, him pranking everybody. But just just some

881
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: great players. Now you mentioned Steve McMichaels. You guys know that.

882
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: U he just became a finalist Yeah yeah, which is outstanding,

883
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: and he's batting yes, yes, which is hard. And uh,

884
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: it was a great teammate. Having the D line that

885
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: we had. Think about the D line that we had

886
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: compared to you guys. You guys had a good D

887
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: line too, a killers Man Hall of Famers. So I

888
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: played with some guys roaming that made me look really

889
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, and Steve was one of them. He

890
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: was a great player, great person and a big personality

891
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: as well, always walking around in the locker room flexing

892
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: his muscles went to ug Yeah, he was a different dude.

893
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: I can't get into a lot of detail about the flexing,

894
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: but he was always showing off his body to his

895
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: teammates into the world if if the world wanted to

896
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: see it. But he was just a great teammate. But

897
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: we had guys all throughout Singletary. I mean, just a

898
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: lot of great players on that all Hall of famers. Yes, I.

899
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: Got to know another thing talking about the team, that

900
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: eighty five Bears team. I had to look this up too.

901
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: It's like now, the Super Bowl shuffle, right, Chef, it was.

902
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: It was legendary. It was the first time anybody had

903
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 2: had their own thing. I mean, how did that come about?

904
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 2: And you were part of the G squad, the G Crew, right,

905
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: Like what was the G Crew number one? And how

906
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: did you like, how did this whole Super Bowl shuffle

907
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 2: thing kind of pop off?

908
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you guys can imagine, man, you're in

909
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: the middle of the season and you're on a run.

910
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: You know, we're on this winning streak, and then one

911
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: of our teammates, Will It comes to us with this

912
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: idea about doing this video. And at the time, these

913
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: music videos were really popular MTV popular OZZ and so

914
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, he's telling different guys about it, and he's

915
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: enlisting guys to be a part of it, and you

916
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: know you I know, for me, I was having talks

917
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: about do you really want to do this during the season.

918
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: It's putting the whole Yeah, but to the point you

919
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: guys were making earlier about the personalities on our team

920
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: rodo that we had. I mean, we knew we were

921
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: good and we wanted to be able to let everybody

922
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: else know that we were good. Right, But here we are,

923
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: and I think maybe week ten or week eleven where

924
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: it really kind of comes together. And then we go

925
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: down to Miami. I think we're twelven. Oh at the time.

926
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: We lose to the office on Monday Night football. Of course,

927
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: they've got this streak and we're approaching trying to, you know,

928
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: get this undefeated streak of theirs, and we lose the game.

929
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: We get back to Chicago maybe two three o'clock in

930
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: the morning, and the video set up for us to

931
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: go and and and do it first thing that morning,

932
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm thinking about, do you really want

933
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: to do this? And I said, you know, I heard

934
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: this from Chee. I said, really, yeah, I said for me,

935
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I said I was gonna do it.

936
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna commit to it. Now. Some guys then get

937
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: up come down there, and but I made a commitment,

938
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: so I went down there and and glad I did.

939
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: But if you can just think back to what it

940
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: would be like for both of you during the middle

941
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: of the season to go down and shoot a video

942
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: saying that you are the best team in the National

943
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: Football League, and after losing, and then there nobody else

944
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: to tear it down or break it up. And you know,

945
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: we went on and won a Super Bowl. At halftime,

946
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: when I'm on the sideline with my street clothes on

947
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: after that injury, they're playing a Super Bowl shuffle and

948
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: the Dome. I'm looking at this man going like, we

949
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: haven't even won the game yet. We were big yeah,

950
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: and they're playing the Super Bowl. It was like being

951
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: at home in Chicago, in New Orleans, it was it

952
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: was awesome. So bears they travel well. They travel well,

953
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: They travel real well. So now that you're in we'll

954
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: fall back to the media side.

955
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: Now that you're in media, you know my guy room

956
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: he over, he does SEC Network, we do our podcast.

957
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: He's got a whole slew of jobs that he does

958
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: via media. Rome. Give give him some tips. What do

959
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: you think you can give them tip wise?

960
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: I think the two coaching mom, coach You know what,

961
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: Let me just take advantage.

962
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, co coaching mom. Are you ready? I wish I

963
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: had a pointer. I could hit the rewind button. Three.

964
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: There's two things I'd always say.

965
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: The biggest thing is you have to be able to

966
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: do two things, and that is you have to be

967
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: able to entertain and educate. And if you can do

968
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: you have to be able to do one of those

969
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: great And if you can do too, it's a home run.

970
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: So always being able to educate, get your point across

971
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: in the right amount of time without using too many words.

972
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 2: Don't talk on three different topics. I would pick one

973
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: topic and slam it home, versus trying to hit them

974
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: with three different things. Because the average person can't maintain

975
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: that much. They just just can't. They just don't know

976
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: ball enough the way we do so simplifying in that

977
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 2: way and be able to deliver to the average person.

978
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: And like my mom always tell me, is like make

979
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: sure that she can understand it. So when I say

980
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: twins or you know, jet motion, just explain what that is.

981
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: They don't always know or RPO. She's like, what is that.

982
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, remember I'm still watching. I'm like, all right, Mom,

983
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 2: I got you. So just those things and everything else

984
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: comes natural because all you do, like you're a ball guy,

985
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: Like don't ever forget that, don't try and be who

986
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: anybody else is. Just be the best version and Leslie

987
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: Frasier and obviously you have. It's worked out beautifully for

988
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 2: you your whole life, the longevity of your career has

989
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: been awesome. And getting to know you even more that

990
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: I understand why you've been in the positions and the

991
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: seat you've held because you are a ball guy.

992
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: That's good advice. Man. I'm gonna take you up on that.

993
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: And matter of fact, my next appearance, whenever that is,

994
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be calling you up for a critique. I

995
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: want to be able to get I want to go

996
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: with the critique so I can just keep progressing and

997
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: getting better and better. Yeah, he's a great pointer. What

998
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: are the what are some of the advice that you

999
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: hear back?

1000
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: And it's really hard to get critiques in this business

1001
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: as well, because so often nobody wants to tell you

1002
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: anything bad. And we're in this this, we're in this

1003
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: space of football where I'm just a pleasant minus guy.

1004
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: Like I love getting critiqued.

1005
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: I love telling something like somebody tell me I did

1006
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 2: a terrible job, so I know what I don't I

1007
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: can't do right. It's an athlete in this And then

1008
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: I love I love in the feedback. You know, Okay,

1009
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: that was good, But like I don't care about the goods.

1010
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: I care so much more of about the losses and

1011
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: the bads, because that's when you really see true growth

1012
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: is uncomfortability. And after losses, you know, when you don't

1013
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: really change that much. You know, you have so many

1014
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: bad mistakes or mental mistakes after when and you just

1015
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: like what we won, like it's easy.

1016
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: But if I didn't even have that many.

1017
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: Mistakes, I made one bad play after loss, I'm like

1018
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: it just it almost burns the whole building.

1019
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's in our DNA as athletes, Like

1020
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: you said, I mean, that's just we want immediate feedback.

1021
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: We don't want to coach sugar coating it now and

1022
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he's trying to take my

1023
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: reps down. Yeah, wait a minute, man, you said, I've

1024
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: been playing well or you ain't even been saying anything

1025
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: to me, So no, want I want immediate feedback, to

1026
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: be able to let me know what therection I'm going

1027
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: or how I'm going, and that's how you improve, just

1028
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: like you said. And so for me, the feedback has

1029
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: been very positive up to this point. All the things

1030
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned a moment ago about being able to entertain

1031
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: and educate, that's I've heard that a few times, that

1032
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: that's that's going to be one of the keys to

1033
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: being successful in this business. And that's one of the

1034
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: reasons that I'm doing what I'm doing is because of

1035
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: my background and being able to educate. But you said

1036
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: it a moment ago, can you talk in a language

1037
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: that the average fan can understand, but yet not dumb

1038
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: it down so much that you know the fans are saying,

1039
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: why would he say it that way? You know, just

1040
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: being able to communicate on their level without saying jet

1041
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: motion or t RC. You know, whatever it may be.

1042
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: In RC is just over routes.

1043
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: Yet people they call it transcondinental. It's like, you know,

1044
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: me a whole bunch of big highways over there with

1045
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: the top three level. Yeah, yeah, I I I just

1046
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: think it's so interesting when you're always talking ball. Have

1047
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: you personally have you ever have you taken time to

1048
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 2: give yourself your own flower? Like, have you had time

1049
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: to like smell the roses, take a breath of fresh air?

1050
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: You know?

1051
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 2: You? You you went from playing not having it in

1052
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: the way you do to accepting a coaching job, and

1053
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 2: since then you've only coached and then now take off,

1054
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: You're off, you going to a training camp or too.

1055
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: You you know, you're still sniffing at it. I still

1056
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: want to get back. But have you ever like taken

1057
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: a second, like, you know what, man, Leslie Fraser is

1058
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: very accomplished throughout it all. It hasn't It wasn't what

1059
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be. It didn't end

1060
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 2: the way I thought it was going to end. But man,

1061
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: I look up and I'm like, I was all right,

1062
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: I did pretty good. I was I was pretty dope

1063
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: at my job. I did some good stuff. I think

1064
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: there will be a time for reflection. I don't know

1065
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: if I'm there yet. That's so many coaches they don't

1066
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 2: know how. They just don't know how. They just can't

1067
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: do it.

1068
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: I can't do, you know, with this new challenge of

1069
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: being broadcasting, different challenge, so that kind of keeps your

1070
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: mind on certain things. And then one of the things

1071
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: I've done this off season is just get with some

1072
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: other coaches and we'll get on a zoom and we'll

1073
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: just go through some ball and talk some balls. So

1074
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: and then my daughter got married this summer as well,

1075
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: and that was a big deal, man, A big deal

1076
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: just to be one day you guys get there. But

1077
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: to be able to be around my daughter and hel

1078
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: fiance doing this off season, which I wouldn't have been

1079
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: able to do if I was coaching. I was thinking

1080
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 1: about it the other day, so thankful that I could

1081
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: participate rather than just show up at the wedding and

1082
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: walk her down the aisle. But I was actually a

1083
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: participant in some of the things that they were doing

1084
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: leading up to the wedding. Now is probably the most

1085
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: time that I spent with our daughter since she left

1086
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: home when she was eighteen years old. And I'll never

1087
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: be able to say thank you enough for that time

1088
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: that I was able to spend this off season, which

1089
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to do as I mentioned before,

1090
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: if I were coaching. So that alone has made me

1091
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: thankful for this time. So I'm just but from a

1092
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 1: reflection standpoint, the time would come. I've got enough things

1093
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: going on right now. I don't know if this is

1094
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: the time, but I don't think we're there yet.

1095
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: I respect that. I respect that. So coach, great career coaching.

1096
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: You're Mount Rushmore. If you had four people to put

1097
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: on it of people that have influenced you, helped you, mentoreds,

1098
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: you just just important people that have had a pivotal

1099
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 2: role in your life.

1100
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: Who would those four people be. Yeah, Number one my

1101
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: grandmother who raised me and my two younger brothers. That

1102
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: that is, she would have to be on that Mount Rushmore,

1103
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: major influence. What you see today is a product of

1104
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: my upbringing by her, and forever grateful to my grandmother.

1105
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: One of my coaches when I was young, a gentleman

1106
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: named Charles Brown, who, as a young kid growing over

1107
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: without a father, he saw something in me. And you know,

1108
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: from the time I was probably seven eight years of age,

1109
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: he was mentoring to me and helping me to grow

1110
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: as an athlete and got me introduced to baseball. I mean,

1111
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: I was probably my first sport, and then introduced me

1112
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,479
Speaker 1: to football and basketball. But it all came from him

1113
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: just encouraging me and keeping me from going down a

1114
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: different path because he turned me to sports and you

1115
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: know it, you know, helped change my life by being

1116
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: able to be in sports and then having success. So

1117
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: mister Brown would definitely be one of those two people.

1118
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: And then I would have to put my wife there

1119
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: with her support that she's given me. We've been married

1120
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: forty one years now and shut up before the one

1121
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: yeah and without yeah number for one right here. Yeah

1122
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: that in there. It was a layup I had to take.

1123
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 1: But without her support, she was there doing those Trinity years. Yeah,

1124
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: she was the one telling you like you like you should,

1125
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: like you should. She was there the whole.

1126
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: It's amazing how they're always right with that. Yeah, they're

1127
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 2: always If we were just listening, we would just.

1128
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: Listen right right right. Uh, But she will be there

1129
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: and probably my one of my high school coaches. A

1130
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: guy named Robert Smith who just was very supportive when

1131
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: I was in high school. And you guys, know what

1132
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: it's like when you are a teenager and you're just

1133
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: trying to figure things out, man, and different people pulling

1134
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: on you when you were a star athlete, trying to

1135
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: get you into some things. And and he was one

1136
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: of those guys who kept me on that path, you know,

1137
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: just to walk the right way. And he helped me

1138
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: when I was trying to figure out college because no

1139
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: one in my family ever graduated and graduated from college

1140
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: or going to college. And he was talking to my

1141
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: grandmother about the process and what needed to be done.

1142
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: And he's been a supporter all the way through my

1143
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: high school years until now today. So those will probably

1144
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: be the people that I would put on that Mount

1145
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: Rush Mortos.

1146
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: For all right, Mine is a broadcast broadcast question is

1147
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 2: have you got to that point where you know you

1148
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: can watch it whether you know the coach or the

1149
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 2: defense that they're running, can you like tell him how

1150
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: it is and be a little bit more critical. I

1151
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: think that was one of the biggest things I had

1152
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: to get over the hump of early was you know,

1153
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: I mean, if if the boy, if he crapped the bed, like,

1154
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: you got to call it what it is, like he

1155
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: just blew it like?

1156
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: And so have you?

1157
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: Are you to that point where you're ready to be

1158
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: critical on people, especially teams or coaches that you may know,

1159
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: and are you ready to accept the repercussions?

1160
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: And like if.

1161
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm just calling balls and strikes, are they willing? Are

1162
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: you really to call all and strikes and ready for

1163
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: them to accept it and for you to receive whatever

1164
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: comes back.

1165
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the territory in this role

1166
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: it is, so you know, I have to be ready

1167
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: to do that and accept the repercussions from it. As

1168
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: you mentioned, I haven't gotten to that point yet. Haven't

1169
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: been in a situation like that. Time will come and

1170
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: try to do the right thing when the time comes.

1171
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: I think there's a way to do it, but you

1172
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: need to be able to call it like you see it.

1173
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: Otherwise you know you're a fraud. So I agree. You

1174
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: know you don't want to do that.

1175
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 2: You know want to keep Are there any broadcasters or

1176
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: analysts that you watch or you've been like, Man, I

1177
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: really like what this guy's doing, Like maybe I could

1178
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: try and emulate or you know, this is how I

1179
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: want to model my game.

1180
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: After Well, this is probably the most that I've been

1181
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: able to watch other analysts because or nearly, you know,

1182
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: when I was coaching anyone, when I was playing, I

1183
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: didn't really want to keep up with what the media

1184
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: was saying. Yeah you can't let it, Yeah yeah. I

1185
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: just wouldn't want to read stuff. I didn't want to watch,

1186
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, other people what they were doing and what

1187
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: they were saying. It. Just so this off season I've

1188
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: had a chance to try to observe and just look

1189
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: at you different people, not only here at the NFL Network,

1190
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: but other networks as well. I don't know if there's

1191
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: any one person I've kind of hung on to. I've

1192
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: just tried to observe and listen and just see how

1193
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: different people do different things and just see what I

1194
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: could pull from that without losing my personality. That's the

1195
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: way I've looked at it.

1196
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: So I know this this past I think you said

1197
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: this offseason, you got inducted to the Black College Football

1198
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, You went to al Corn State. You

1199
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: mentioned that swack Baby shout out to the swack My

1200
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,479
Speaker 2: dad played at Alabama State. My mom graduated from Alabama State.

1201
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: I grew up watching the Alabama State Marching Hornets my

1202
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: whole life.

1203
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: Wow, I went to Alabama.

1204
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: But I grew up in the swack, baby, so I

1205
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: know all about I read that. I'm a swack fanatic.

1206
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: World man, small world shout out.

1207
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. What was what was that experience? Like?

1208
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for interrupting me bad? I got excited. You bring

1209
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: up the swack. You see, Coach Fraser didn't get a

1210
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: bad eye. He didn't. He knows what it's like. Yes, sorry,

1211
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: how do you know?

1212
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna do that because I know about I

1213
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: know about moms. Like they told you, ain't swacked, went

1214
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: all through respect, good bro, But that's what they told him.

1215
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, it was. It was.

1216
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: It was a very humbling congratulations, that's all.

1217
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, But it was it was humbling

1218
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: when you think of all the great players that have

1219
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: come from HBCUs, going back to Walter and you know,

1220
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: just Slater's just so many great players, uh, you know,

1221
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: Doug Williams and James Harris were there. Just to have

1222
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: your name mentioned with those other great it just humbles,

1223
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, and in much respect for all those that

1224
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: came before me, and you know, you feel like you've

1225
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: accomplished something because now, I mean, neither are there the

1226
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: people that know how hard you work and know some

1227
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: of the things that you sacrifice to be the player

1228
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: that you were. Much like you, guys, I mean, I mean,

1229
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: people don't know the sacrifices that went into you're getting

1230
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: ready to play on game day. You know, it's not

1231
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: just rolling out of the bed and going out there.

1232
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: So the recognition by people that look like you means

1233
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: a whole lot to me, a great deal and I'm

1234
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: forever grateful for that experience.

1235
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: Now, Coach Frazer, they actually marked you down as a

1236
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: top fifteen all time player at the Alcorn State. We

1237
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: all know who's number one. There's no question it's Steve. Steve, Yeah,

1238
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: there's no question this guy was. It was like everybody

1239
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 2: was it. I mean, he was throwing up the hooks

1240
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: as a brother. He wasn't even at the time. So

1241
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: it was like, I mean, we let we let Stephen

1242
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: Yair do everything when he was at Alcore And what

1243
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: does it mean?

1244
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: Can?

1245
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 2: I know you cannot can Why not Steve did it?

1246
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: You're not Stephen relaxed. Sorry.

1247
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 2: You know, like I said before, you ain't swacked right,

1248
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it was could you

1249
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: talk about your last thing is just like the experience

1250
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 2: of being at HBCU, what it was like playing at

1251
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 2: Alcore and State when you played at the swack like

1252
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 2: that was really the avenue for a lot of African

1253
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: American players at the time because they still weren't getting

1254
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: the love at the p w i's at the time,

1255
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: especially quarterbacks or other skill positions where you kind of

1256
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: like funneled.

1257
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: You into being a corner or whatever.

1258
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 2: But could you talk about that special relationship that you'll

1259
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 2: probably always have being in that that length.

1260
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: It's a good question. I'm glad you brought that up,

1261
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: because when I came out, it was right and around

1262
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: when things were beginning to change. We hadn't gotten to

1263
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: obviously where we are today, but it was just starting

1264
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: to change it. So I went end up going over

1265
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: to the Old Miss for a visit. I grew up

1266
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes of Mississippi State. My first college game

1267
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: to view was at Mississippi State. When I went over

1268
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: to Old Miss on a visit, my high school coach

1269
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: had played at Ole, miss He and Archy Man and

1270
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: had played together. And I was there, man, and I

1271
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: just I was like, man, something I don't. I don't.

1272
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't get it, you know, I just didn't. And

1273
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: at that time, if you were not a starter at

1274
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: some of those SEC schools, you you weren't going to

1275
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: come in and be a backup. They weren't recruiting you

1276
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: as a black athlete to be a backup. It just

1277
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: wasn't really wasn't that. It wasn't that time. You know,

1278
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: you you were more likely going to be a star player.

1279
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: And it's just a different error. You know, things were

1280
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: just starting to change a little bit. And well, my

1281
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: one of my coaches took me to an All Corn

1282
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: versus Mississippi Valley State game and All Corns recruited me.

1283
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: Mississi State, Missisi val Shout out to Wallam Staton, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to Jared Rice and those guys, I mean all

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Speaker 1: of them. So when when I go to the All

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Speaker 1: Corn Valley game and your parents can attest to this,

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Speaker 1: the atmosphere at those games different different that Howard. It

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Speaker 1: just it just hit different. The band, That's what I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Battle of the bands. All that I'm looking man,

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Speaker 1: the atmosphere, and then the way they treated me when

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Speaker 1: I was there. Uh, they treated me like I was

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Speaker 1: already a member of the team. And I went back

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Speaker 1: home and I told my grandmother that's why I wanted

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Speaker 1: to go to school, and nothing against you know, some

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Speaker 1: of the others, because I wasn't like recruited by fifty

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Speaker 1: different schools. It's just a few schools in the local area.

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Speaker 1: But just in environment, in an atmosphere just was better

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Speaker 1: for me, you know, nothing against any other place, but

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Speaker 1: in my mind, I needed to be where people kind

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Speaker 1: of wrapped arms around me. It was love.

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Speaker 2: I took my daughter to a I told the story

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Speaker 2: all the time. I took my daughter to a college

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Speaker 2: visit and we went to Howard and it wouldn't it

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Speaker 2: wasn't you know.

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Speaker 1: I want out to shake hands. And one of the

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Speaker 1: deans that the professor was like, come here, baby, welcome home,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the magazine, just gave me this hug.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, yeah, thank you, Auntie. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like this place. It literally felt like a different world.

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01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: And I literally I wanted to go to Howard so bad.

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Speaker 2: I bought t shirts and I was like, man, I

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Speaker 2: might have to get another degree just to say I'm

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Speaker 2: from just to say I went.

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Speaker 1: To Howard just because I went. I wanted to, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't go there.

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Speaker 2: But everyone I've talked to that has went to an HBCU,

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Speaker 2: they say, the love that you feel when you step

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Speaker 2: on campus.

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Speaker 1: Is just it just hits different. Yeah, and that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what it was for me. And I just said, man,

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Speaker 1: this is where I need to be. This is the

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Speaker 1: environment I need to be in. And you know, you

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Speaker 1: fast forward to twenty twenty three, would I see it

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Speaker 1: in a different who knows. But at that time in

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Speaker 1: my life, this nineteen seventy six, nineteen seventy seven, it

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Speaker 1: was the right thing for me. And I'm forever grateful

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Speaker 1: for my experience at All Coin. It was it was

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Speaker 1: everything I hoped for. Man, it was a challenge. We

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Speaker 1: worked hard, just like we're all doing football, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just the way it was. But all the things

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Speaker 1: that came from that experience, having a chance to meet

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Speaker 1: my wife there, yeah, and the friendships that I made

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Speaker 1: that are life. Last night, I got a call just yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I played baseball and football at All Coin and got

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Speaker 1: a call just yesterday from one of my baseball teammates

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Speaker 1: about a little bit of a reunion. And I missed

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Speaker 1: all these things over the years. Yeah, every fall, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've been away. But this fall I'll get a chance

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Speaker 1: to go back and witness a game in person, which

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Speaker 1: is going to be awesome as well. But uh, to

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Speaker 1: be able to relive that experience a little bit. So Uh,

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Speaker 1: forever grateful for my time there. Uh, you know, being

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Speaker 1: able to get my degree while I was there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the relationships that were built, Uh, the the strong bonds

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Speaker 1: man that are lifelong. Just just thankful for that period.

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Speaker 1: What was your biggest baseball highlight in college? I got

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Speaker 1: to know this. I didn't come on Tommy dropped the

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Speaker 1: ball on this one. Yeah, but a butter of mine

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Speaker 1: who is with another team in Cincinnati, I played first

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Speaker 1: base and out space. We're playing you guys probably don't

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Speaker 1: remember this name. We're playing Jackson State. They have a

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Speaker 1: guy who end up going to the major's name all Camboard. Remember,

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Speaker 1: do you guys remember the name Boston Red Sox. You's

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Speaker 1: not baseball fans then anyway, Thomas does Okay, Okay, he's

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Speaker 1: our baseball guy. He was an excellent picture for the

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Speaker 1: for the Red Sox. So we've got two out bottom

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Speaker 1: of the ninth or last inning, got a man own second,

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Speaker 1: we got to drive him home to win this game.

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Speaker 1: Game winning hit against all camboard was a big deal.

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Speaker 1: And to be able to to get to first base

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Speaker 1: and have everybody running on the field high five and

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Speaker 1: you walk oft and in the game win and run.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was a special time. No other highlights,

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Speaker 1: but that one definitely stands in my mind. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you know, we end up having a good relationship

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Speaker 1: as I followed his career and Major League baseball and

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Speaker 1: then my career in pro football and we're both being

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Speaker 1: from Mississippi and playing in the Swag. Just you know,

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Speaker 1: a good relationship between the twos for sure. Yeah, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: that's so good.

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Speaker 2: Coach Man, thank you so much, man, blessing us with

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Speaker 2: your time, thank your energy, your wisdom, the words wiz.

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01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: Very very thankful man. I'm sad I didn't get to

1374
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Speaker 2: play for you. We would have worked that Banjoe out.

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Speaker 2: I promise you, I promise you communicate it. I'm a

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Speaker 2: communication guru. That is what allowed me to play so long. Man, Peanut,

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Speaker 2: Thank you man, as always, keep bringing the energy.

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Speaker 1: Dog. Thank you guys for allowing me to be here anyways.

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Speaker 2: For all our listeners, viewers continue to tune in as always,

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Speaker 2: far as the people we get to share these stories with,

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Speaker 2: talking about the transition, the walks of life, the spirituality

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Speaker 2: that we all get to share. Man, this fellowship, it's

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Speaker 2: like nothing else. Man, I appreciate it, I'm thankful for it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna continue to bring the juice because my

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Speaker 2: man p Nut is bringing the juice is always Peanut.

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Speaker 2: Please get us out of here the right way. I'm Peanut.

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