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Speaker 2: He is from CRC Industries. We're going to be talking,

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Speaker 2: you know, some of the things that go on during

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Speaker 2: a break repair and some of the things you should

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Speaker 2: be doing and some of the things that you're doing

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Speaker 2: to the phones real quick and get started. Dave, Wisconsin, Dave,

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Speaker 2: how can I help you in your Is that an

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Speaker 2: O two A Suzu Trooper? There's one left? Holy cow? Right?

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Speaker 2: So where's Joe Asuzu when you need him? Tell me

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Speaker 2: the story, Dave, This has to be a good one.

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Speaker 3: Well, I bought this new after my son worked in

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Speaker 3: a dealership and they were phasing out troopers, so I

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Speaker 3: bought it and I got it really cheap, right and

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Speaker 3: and well, anyway, I've had it for about two years

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Speaker 3: or three years ago. Uh I got one hundred and

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Speaker 3: twenty four dollars now and it's a three point five Leader.

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Speaker 3: I guess it is V six sure, yeah, D six

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Speaker 3: hip And anyway, it uh it it stopped. The forewheel

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Speaker 3: drive doesn't work anymore.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did it just did it just die mid use

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Speaker 2: it no longer worked?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no longer it works. Okay, the lights and stuff

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Speaker 3: come on, you know, it's torque on demand, you know,

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Speaker 3: but it doesn't. I put new brinks in the front

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Speaker 3: still had, you know, the forward drive. But now and

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it just quit.

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Speaker 2: So anybody try and do any kind of diagnosis to this,

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Speaker 2: any any scan tool, any scan tool work.

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Speaker 3: No, I didn't. I took it to a couple of

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Speaker 3: places and they go, oh god, you don't want to

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Speaker 3: fix that. If runs just run it. You know, it

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Speaker 3: could be up to twenty five hundred dollars to fix that.

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Speaker 2: It could be and you know what, they're wrong in

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Speaker 2: the sense that it could be anything. And because it

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Speaker 2: could be anything, I think the right answer is, Dave,

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Speaker 2: we're going to charge you, you know, two three hours

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Speaker 2: can we find the parts, and b do you want

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Speaker 2: to fix it? You know, I think that's the better answer.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would want to scan this. I'd start

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Speaker 2: just like any diagnosis scan it all right. What was

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Speaker 2: it's setting any sort of trouble codes, fourteen and twenty

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Speaker 2: and you know here's that it's a cheap car problem, right,

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Speaker 2: it's an Asusu. Joe Asuzu never told the system who's

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Speaker 2: It's a simple system in that there's a five vault

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Speaker 2: The the the other thing that was, you know, sort

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Speaker 2: and there's some things you have to go through. It

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Speaker 2: Vacuum switching valve was common. But you know, the stuff's

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the Asuzu dealer is long gone, right, he's

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Speaker 2: yeah right, you know here in New Jersey, for example,

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Speaker 2: I could be wrong. I was wrong once the nearest

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Speaker 2: the Suzu dealers about two hours away, and the only

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Speaker 2: the parts showed up, they showed up, and if they

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Speaker 2: showed up wrong, that wasn't their problem, that was yours.

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Speaker 2: So it's not exactly easy getting parts with these things,

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Speaker 2: but you know you can diagnose it. Then it's a

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Speaker 2: matter of finding pieces best dnswer I got kiddo, all right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I went on one of those places that told

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Speaker 3: you where it's worth, right, I think they got it

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, listen, it's yeah, it's not worth a

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Speaker 2: a car is only worth what it's going to cost

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Speaker 2: you to replace. What I'd be worried about with that

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Speaker 2: vehicle is how much rust is underneath it. A twenty

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Speaker 2: two year old, a Suzu Trooper. I mean, it might

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Speaker 2: or trying to service it up to this point? Dave

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Speaker 2: can say again, Dave, I.

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Speaker 3: I do what I can, right, I don't nobody wants

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's that's the unfortunate side of it. So

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Speaker 2: why did you do this?

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Speaker 3: Whyted?

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Speaker 2: Do you have another car in the family that you

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Speaker 2: a different mechanic that works on another family vehicle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they won't work on this.

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Speaker 2: Well, ask them, would they at least would they at

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Speaker 2: least give you an overall appraisal. You'd be willing to

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Speaker 2: pay for it, right, You'd be willing. You'd be willing

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Speaker 2: to spend you know, a couple of bucks to find

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Speaker 2: out what sort of shape this thing is in, because

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe from aparts and maybe from a rust perspective,

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Speaker 2: and maybe from a vehicle condition perspective, the twenty two

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Speaker 3: So you know it's inside grand new and outside is

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, the part you're seeing is rust free. You

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Speaker 2: got to look underneath, right, Oh okay? Well, and you

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Speaker 2: then it's just a matter of finding somebody to work

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Speaker 2: on it, unless you want to drive it to New Jersey,

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Speaker 2: which you know, that's a that's a whole nother story.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the waiting room could accommodate you for

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Speaker 2: three weeks. Dave might take a while to find parts,

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Speaker 2: all right, kiddo, Yeah, all right. I wish I could

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Speaker 2: the systems are there. It's just a matter of and

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Speaker 2: you know, listen, go try and find Go, try and

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Speaker 2: find a listing. Maybe this is the way to approach it.

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Speaker 2: Go try and find driveshaft speed sensors for it, going

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Speaker 2: on the assumption that that might be wrong with it.

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Speaker 2: And if you can't find those, maybe that makes the

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Speaker 2: decision about whether it's worth working on or not. Because

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Speaker 2: if you can't find the two most common pieces that failed,

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Speaker 2: where are you're going? Right? Yeah, So a Suzu did

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Speaker 2: were left hanging. So, yeah, all right, killing So I

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Speaker 2: understand I got to run, Dave. You're very welcome, sir.

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Speaker 2: You'd be well. I'm running ady in the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 2: We are back right after this. Don't go anywhere. We

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Speaker 2: recently had a caller, I think it was last week's

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Speaker 2: his comments, frankly, just seemed a little off point and

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Speaker 2: And I think Bill from Virginia kind of sums it

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Speaker 2: up the best. He said, hey 'ron, longtime Car Doctor

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Speaker 2: was not likely going to purchase an AC Delco battery

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Speaker 2: in the future, and said he was told that the

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Speaker 2: brand is all apparently remanufactured. I did some research and

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Speaker 2: recycled materials used in the manufacture of new production AC

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Speaker 2: Delco batteries. I went to the link global batteries dot

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Speaker 2: they made? That's actually the name of the link, and

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Speaker 2: it was fascinating in terms of what was done and

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Speaker 2: how it seems that, yes, to a point, ac Delco

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Speaker 2: batteries do have some recycled components in them. Recycled light

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Speaker 2: eighty three percent high purity sulfuric acid with stabilized there's

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Speaker 2: probably propylene cases tested at a two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: psi birth strength, and calcium alloy grids. Now, some of

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Speaker 2: these components are new, some of them are recycled, which

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Speaker 2: of recycling purposes. I never really thought about the remanufacturing angle.

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Speaker 2: But what it looks like they're doing is to a degree,

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Speaker 2: He is from CRC Chemicals. We're going to be here

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Speaker 2: I'm Ronnin and Andy and the Car Doctor. We'll be back

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Speaker 2: right after this. Break repairs are such a critical part

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Speaker 2: He is the senior technical manager over there at CRC Industries. Scott,

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Speaker 2: I said that name right right, yes, and he's going

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Speaker 2: Car Doctor, sir.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 2: You're very welcome.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, you do not want any grease, grime, oil on

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Speaker 4: And it's so important to use a good break parts

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Speaker 4: So when you have a brand new set of pads

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Speaker 2: a non chlorinated breake clean That was a big deal

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, So it comes down to government regulations and all

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Speaker 4: Now it's a step in the right direction. Because chlorinated

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Speaker 4: where the caliber is going to contact that, let it

432
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 4: sit for five minutes, tack up, put the car back together,

433
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 4: and that is actually going to dampen and absorb and

434
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 4: prevent that frequency vibration from reoccurring, and you have nice

435
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 4: quiet breaks again.

436
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: You know, I always I always equate that frequency vibration,

437
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 2: and that's that's a great way to put it. I

438
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: always explain it to people at the counter that the

439
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 2: reason we use disc break quiet the little orange bottle

440
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 2: is it It's like remember at your high school prom

441
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 2: when you were bored and you don't know what to

442
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: say to your date, and the water glass was half

443
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: full and you're in your finger around the top and

444
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: if you did it enough times and fast enough, it

445
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: would start to distort and make sound, and you thought

446
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: it was the cool thing to do at seventeen.

447
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 4: Uh.

448
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: And that's sort of what that's sort of what the

449
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: breaks are doing. They're they're finding that frequency point and

450
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: it just becomes a distortion and you're hearing it in

451
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 2: the break squeel. And that's what the disc break quiet

452
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: is doing, right, It's absorbing that and keeping the pad

453
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: from shifting around so it doesn't chatter, so to speak exactly, carbon,

454
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: I want to I want to jump around a little

455
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 2: bit and I want to, you know, since I have you,

456
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about, you know,

457
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: fuel system cleaning. If I can real quick, I want

458
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: to jump into that. You know, carbon is a big

459
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: issue on today's engines. And I didn't realize you were

460
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: dealer tech, so I'm sure you've got some dealer tech

461
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: stories about the cars you saw. Carbon becomes a problem

462
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 2: and you know today's vehicles, everything is GDI right, gasoline

463
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: direct injection, So everybody wants to know fuel system cleaning

464
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: and how to go about it, and why is carbon

465
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: such a problem today?

466
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 4: Can you tell us absolutely? So with gasoleen direct injection,

467
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 4: we're able to get better fuel economy, better performance in

468
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 4: a smaller displacement engine. But we're bringing back an old

469
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 4: school problem when these prank case vapors come back around

470
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 4: through the PCV system. We're having these oil vapor deposits

471
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 4: land on the intake veils that are hot, and they're

472
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 4: immediately carbonizing up because the intake manifolds plastics of the

473
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 4: oil is not sticking there. It's going to stick onto

474
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 4: the metal down the path and we're not having fuel

475
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 4: injectors up in the port anymore washing over and clean

476
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 4: that carbon off the valve, so they're they're tacking up

477
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 4: the gets gummy and then it starts causing all these

478
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 4: other driveability issues. So cleaning and spraying an air induction

479
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: cleaning surf product that we one of the ones we make,

480
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 4: goes through the throttle body and it's going to land

481
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 4: and slowly break down and the multify that carbon and

482
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 4: allow it to come off these intake valves Another thing

483
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 4: is is that now, back in the day, you used

484
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 4: to use a fuel tank additive which would clean the

485
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 4: carbon off these valves. Even though it doesn't work on

486
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 4: the intake valves today, it's still really important to do

487
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 4: that because with these direct injection engines, we're using the

488
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 4: fuel to cool down the cylinder before the next combustion event.

489
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 4: And if these little tiny pindles on the injectors, they

490
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: get clogged up with carbon and then you're not getting

491
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 4: a complete tone, animized spray across the filter evenly, which

492
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 4: could lead to hotspots and predetonation. So using a good

493
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 4: fuel injection cleaner is still important today, even on today's vehicles.

494
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: You make a good point, Scott, And when we come back,

495
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: I want to talk about using tank cleaner and its

496
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 2: effects on catalytic converters. All right, let's pull over, take

497
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: a pause. I'm ronning any in the car. Doctor. I'm

498
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: here with Scott Brownstein of CRC Industries, and we'll both

499
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 2: return right after this. Don't go away. We are back.

500
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: And before we pulled away and took the pause, Scott

501
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 2: Brownstein and I we were talking. Scott's from the CRC Industries.

502
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 2: He's the senior technical manager over there, Scott. The question

503
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: that was coming up, we were talking about fuel tank editors.

504
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: Now this is a conversation that started about breaks, and

505
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 2: I purposely sort of blindsided you hear, and I'm sorry

506
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: we're talking fuel systems all of a sudden, because I

507
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: know CRC's history with fuel systems too. Tank additives is

508
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 2: where the conversation was headed. There's a reason beyond the

509
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: engine why we put a tank editive in a fuel

510
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: tank system cleaner, because that helps the catalytic converter too,

511
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: doesn't it.

512
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So anything that is coming out of the engine

513
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: has to pass through that catalytic converter, and there are

514
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 4: things that we can do to help clean the catalytic converter,

515
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 4: promote a healthy catalytic converter, and make sure that it

516
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 4: gets the full designed life out of it. So it's

517
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 4: not just even just a passing your emissions test. And

518
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 4: that's what most people related to is, Oh, it's that

519
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 4: time of the year. I have to make sure I

520
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: do this. You should be doing this a couple times

521
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 4: a year so you don't get to that point of oh, boy,

522
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 4: now that check engine lights on, I have that forts

523
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 4: one that four point thirty code and I got to

524
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 4: go for my emissions testing in two weeks, you know,

525
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 4: and then there's that panic that sets in.

526
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: So that fuel system cleaner, you know, and I'm sure

527
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: there's some proprietary blends of stuff in there that CRC uses.

528
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 2: They it basically it attacks the lack of a better

529
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: way to say it, and correct me if I'm wrong,

530
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: but it attacks the crud and the catalytic converter and

531
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: helps keep the the you know, the structure of the

532
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: cat active so it stays clean and it's efficient and

533
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: it does its job correct. Yes, exactly, so vehicle emissions

534
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: testing because you brought it up, so you know, doing

535
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: tank additive is good preventative maintenance, and that's also part

536
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: of that tank Editive is also part of the CRC

537
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: GDI service pack if we're doing a fuel system cleaning,

538
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: which is where that conversation started, right, Yes, so that

539
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: tank editive part of that pack, and I'm sure it's

540
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: available separately, does a good job cleaning the cat. But

541
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: then there's something else you guys have, which I've always

542
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: wanted to ask somebody from CRC about. You've got something

543
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: called guaranteed to pass.

544
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: Guaranteed to pass, so that is specifically formulate for cleaning

545
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 4: the crucial emissions components that the fuel touches, including the

546
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 4: CATA converter, and with the cost of CALAE converters to

547
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 4: in the labor to replace them, I always explain to

548
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 4: people this is the best thing to try before you

549
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: actually have to spend that amount of money to replace

550
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 4: the cat like inverter. This is using Pea technology, so

551
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: polyether imine, and that's what's attaching and breaking down the carbon,

552
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: and that's what's getting all the tough crowd out of

553
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: the engine.

554
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: So suffice it to say, if anybody out there has

555
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: a vehicle that's burning oil, and I love I always

556
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: love these questions, and true to form, they won't make

557
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: the connection until I pointed out, But if you've got

558
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: a vehicle out there that's burning oil, a court in

559
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: one thousand miles, a court in fifteen hundred miles, using

560
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: a tank additive, using something like guaranteed to pass, all right,

561
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: you know, fuel system cleaner is going to help keep

562
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: that cat healthy because that cat is not only digesting exhaust,

563
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: it's diet ingesting oil, which is a carbon based substance,

564
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: right splogging up the cat over a period.

565
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 4: Of time, absolutely, and that is something that you want

566
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 4: to make sure you get that engine fixed and rectified

567
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 4: if one of those rings are sticking or something's happening,

568
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: so it'll it'll help push you along. But in some cases,

569
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 4: too much oil or even too much fuel for that matter,

570
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 4: dumping down a cafe like a stuck feel injector that's

571
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 4: just going to kill the cat pretty quickly. And you know,

572
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 4: no product on the market's going to help bring that

573
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: catalye converter back.

574
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: Right other than a new catalytic converter, which can range

575
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: in price anywhere from eight hundred to three thousand dollars

576
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: plus labor. So it becomes it and it becomes a

577
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: chore yep, and a painful expense. In our closing minute here, Scott,

578
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: you know, I want to switch gears one last time.

579
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: QD Contact Cleaner. That CRC makes you know, there's more

580
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: electronics than ever and I love that QD Contact cleaner.

581
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: I've got cans of it around the shop. Why can't

582
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: I just why can't I just use break clean?

583
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 4: You know you could use a brake cleaner or a

584
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: card cleaner and have become a more costly ex events

585
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 4: very quickly, because now you have to replace that part.

586
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 4: Most of these parts are in all these sensors that

587
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 4: are encased in plastic, whether you're cleaning corrosion now that

588
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 4: the connectors, or actually cleaning an m AP sensor itself,

589
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 4: everything's plastic, and you want to a plastic safe cleaner

590
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 4: that's going to flush out those contaminants and it's going

591
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 4: to dry really quick and most importantly not leave a

592
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 4: residue behind any type of oially residue or anything else.

593
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 4: They're going to skew those sensor readings.

594
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Now, now suffice it to say that mass airflow sensors,

595
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: you've got a mass airflow sensor cleaner too. You've got

596
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: a mass airflow sensor cleaner, You've got a you know,

597
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: you've got contact cleaner, electrical bares cleaner. So if you

598
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: guys are making a cleaner for a specific application, it's

599
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: not just because you want to print out a bunch

600
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: of different cans. There's a specific reason for each and

601
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: every product, and we're better off using it than trying

602
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: to be adventurous on our own right.

603
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: Exactly, mass airflow sensors are so sensitive that the QD

604
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 4: contact cleaner could actually damage an MAAF sensor, right, So

605
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: it's actually a very specific, unique formulation for cleaning MAF

606
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: sensors cool beans.

607
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: Scott, it's been a pleasure, sir. Where can the listeners

608
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: get more information?

609
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 4: They can go right to our website at seriously industries

610
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 4: dot com.

611
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: All right, hey, listen, you'd be well. You have a

612
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: great rest of the weekend, and we'll talk to you

613
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: again soon. Thanks for taking the time. I'm ronning any

614
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: and the car Doctor. I'm back right after this. Wasn't

615
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: that a fun interview? Ye, Scott Brownstein from CRC Industries.

616
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: There's so much knowledge in that guy's head and the

617
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: things that came up during the course of that interview.

618
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: I want to go over one of them real quick.

619
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: And it's so import the commentary about how they make

620
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: specific product to do specific things, and that's so important.

621
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: So many times I see guys using carburetor cleaner or

622
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: fuel system cleaner to do break clean job and it's

623
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: just wrong. Break clean is designed to operate and do

624
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: what it's supposed to do, so it doesn't, you know,

625
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: it doesn't hurt brake pads, it doesn't you know, get

626
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: into the wrong places and do the wrong thing. Same

627
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: thing with electrical contact cleaner, and then mass airflow cleaner,

628
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: and you could look through their product line and think,

629
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: you know, that's sort of a guided tour of does

630
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: and don't, so be aware till the next time I'm

631
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: running any in the car. Doctor, good mechanics aren't expensive,

632
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: they're priceless.

633
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: See you