WEBVTT - Doula Right Thing

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<v Speaker 1>Zion, unsure, what the balance? Hell, I touch my belly,

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed by word.

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<v Speaker 2>I have been chosen to perform. But then a name

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<v Speaker 2>your came on one day, sold me to Nail Dollan Gray.

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<v Speaker 1>Born to me, a man child would be born.

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<v Speaker 2>Buld is crazy, stirf home stance, I knew his life,

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<v Speaker 2>desert chance.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to good Mom's bad Choices. I'm Erica and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Nila.

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<v Speaker 4>Wednesday was it?

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<v Speaker 5>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing? Anything new?

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<v Speaker 3>It's still retro grade.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's gonna be we have some time.

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<v Speaker 4>No, not really.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean yesterday I had a really Iria had a

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<v Speaker 3>tantrum for like an hour, and I might have yelled

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<v Speaker 3>at her like a crazy person. I felt really bad afterwards.

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<v Speaker 3>She was just scream it was about ice cream. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>she didn't want to go to my she didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to go to my grandma's house that I could go

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<v Speaker 3>to therapy, and I was like, I have to go

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<v Speaker 3>to therapy. And I didn't tell her that. I was

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<v Speaker 3>like going to the doctor and she's like I want

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<v Speaker 3>to go. I was like, well, I'll get you ice cream,

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<v Speaker 3>and then she was like I want ice cream, and

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<v Speaker 3>then the screaming kept happening. I was like, well, you're

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna get ice cream if you keep screaming. And

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<v Speaker 3>then she just kept screaming and like screaming, like like.

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<v Speaker 5>That, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>And like I was also on a conference call and

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<v Speaker 3>so there was people talking in my ear and my

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<v Speaker 3>daughter was screaming. It was just a lot was happening,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think I just woke up that morning just

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<v Speaker 3>feeling on edge, period tired, and she was in mid

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<v Speaker 3>scream and then I just was like and then I

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<v Speaker 3>was like do you like and I just kept screaming.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, you like the way this feels. This

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<v Speaker 3>is what it feels like when you scream at me.

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<v Speaker 3>And then she got really scared and she started like

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<v Speaker 3>backing away.

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<v Speaker 6>It's so funny how kids suddenly you do what they

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<v Speaker 6>do and they're scared.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And I was just like, I'm doing exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>you're doing. So I felt like it was it was

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<v Speaker 3>even playing field. And then afterwards, obviously I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thirty one. I was like, not an even it's

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<v Speaker 3>this is not good.

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<v Speaker 5>I called you and you're like, oh no, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>just feeling really I was like, okay, you need to

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<v Speaker 5>go home and so sweet. I almost asked you to

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<v Speaker 5>do something. I said, oh, maybe you should emit.

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, she's like, you're like naw, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 6>and then you started getting mad at irin you don't

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<v Speaker 6>even deserve ice.

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<v Speaker 5>Screamed because you.

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, okay, I'm gonna call you that guy,

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<v Speaker 6>catchu lated. It was just one of those mornings, little

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<v Speaker 6>bitch that was like at four o'clock.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, because because it kept happening even after I

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<v Speaker 3>picted her. Well, then I went to therapy and then

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<v Speaker 3>that I didn't When I left, I didn't feel good.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I picked her up, and then she didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to go to piano class and she was crying

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<v Speaker 3>about that and I was just like, I can't deal

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<v Speaker 3>with life today. And then I was like, there's no

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<v Speaker 3>way I'm giving her ice cream today. There's no fucking way.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I gave her ice cream because she's cute,

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<v Speaker 3>and I felt bad for you screaming at her. My

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<v Speaker 3>therapist said it was fine. I told her. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I just screamed at her.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, how about you.

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<v Speaker 5>You're good, I'm good, Yeah, I'm good. You know, normal

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<v Speaker 5>adult shit and I'm an adult, so I gotta take it.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's it pretty much, except for the fact I

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<v Speaker 6>keep forgetting things. Okay, So we have a very special

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<v Speaker 6>guest today, Mama birth were a birth worker.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that's a legit term.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, certified doula, certified doula, childbirth educator, women's wellness expert.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I was thinking sex worker and I was like, birth worker,

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<v Speaker 6>same right, she has a birth worker birth worker?

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<v Speaker 7>I did.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I just never heard anyone who was that term before.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a legit term. It's typically for women or

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<v Speaker 4>people individuals who work in the birth world and have

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<v Speaker 4>multiple hats they wear.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, got it. I will tell us a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>about yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Sam, awesome. Okay. Well, my son just turn eight going

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<v Speaker 4>on twenty. Like we talked about earlier, he is just

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<v Speaker 4>the light of my life. He's my favorite thing on

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<v Speaker 4>the planet, and he constantly makes me want to rip

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<v Speaker 4>my hair out. And when he's away from me, I

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<v Speaker 4>missed him within thirty minutes and want him home. And

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<v Speaker 4>he's just the reason I do everything that I do

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<v Speaker 4>and he makes me so happy. And I'm a single mom,

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<v Speaker 4>newly single, but not that way, I haven't been with

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<v Speaker 4>his father in about four and a half years.

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<v Speaker 3>I am.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm all the things you guys said. I remember birth doula.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm an author. Now my book comes out in like

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<v Speaker 4>forty five days, and I'm kind of losing my shit.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's just I'm looking at all of my mentors.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys know who Brene Brown is.

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<v Speaker 5>That sounds Oh she was in the movie with the Mom's.

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<v Speaker 4>No, she's so she's got a Netflix special right now.

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<v Speaker 6>Well she's okay, So there's if you haven't seen it,

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<v Speaker 6>there's remember we try to watch it.

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<v Speaker 5>We got high and fell asleep with them.

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<v Speaker 6>Like they're like older women and they're like trying to have

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<v Speaker 6>fun and palm springs for the weekend.

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<v Speaker 5>It's on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 3>We watch Oh natres or.

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<v Speaker 4>No, she's speaker, yeah, and a psychologist.

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<v Speaker 5>But there's a part in the movie.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the thing with Tina Fey, Right, there's a part

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<v Speaker 6>in the movie and they're like, oh my god, is.

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<v Speaker 3>That for me?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, is it a wine country or something? Yeah? Okay, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>we just want to ask you a couple of questions.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's Oh my god, I love that. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 4>my mentors that they don't know they are my mentors,

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<v Speaker 4>like Brinane Brown and Oprah they don't know there are

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<v Speaker 4>my mentors, but they are my mentors. Right well, everything

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<v Speaker 4>that I've heard them say that the ship that they

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<v Speaker 4>went through, I'm literally going through all of it right now.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm like this is to be expected, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm where I need to be next up Oprah.

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<v Speaker 3>Right So, I'm just like it's my life and my

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<v Speaker 3>masturbation manifestation kidding.

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<v Speaker 4>Masturbate way in a non sexual masturbating.

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<v Speaker 6>Way, like a manifestation while masturbating type of way.

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<v Speaker 4>That's some powerful ship right there.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, it is. I'm I'm totally We actually met

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<v Speaker 3>a girl who told us about it, and I was like, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>that makes total sense, and and then I tried it

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<v Speaker 3>and then afterwards it was actually the first time I

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<v Speaker 3>did it was I thought about being interviewed by Oprah

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<v Speaker 3>Like basically what I do is like I obviously have

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<v Speaker 3>to be turned on. And then right as I'm about

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<v Speaker 3>to come, like I start thinking about something that is

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<v Speaker 3>really it's something that I really want. It's not even sexual,

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<v Speaker 3>but already.

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<v Speaker 4>There bimaltic state.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so after that I feel so energized, and

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<v Speaker 3>like when I did that that the first time, I

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<v Speaker 3>immediately wanted to work. I was like, let me on

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<v Speaker 3>my computer and like, mesen some emails, get me to Oprah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>let me do some ship exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't believe it. I was like, this is fucking weird.

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<v Speaker 4>Like she's like, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna masturbate

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<v Speaker 4>every damn day now.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I do a lot. I mean that there's the

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<v Speaker 3>Oprah and not always to manifestations. That was just pure

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<v Speaker 3>It's just pleasure, my favorite porn category.

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<v Speaker 5>But dick is your favorite porn categy. No, I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>saying it's my favorite porn category.

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<v Speaker 3>Just because your favorite porn category, just because you've switched

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<v Speaker 3>it up recently. Hey, thedom, calm down.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't tell anybody that thanks a lot, one new category.

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<v Speaker 5>Tell a friend. The bitch tells everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I don't know what we got on porn Oprah Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>yes that's.

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<v Speaker 4>What Oprah's where we were ye yeah, so so basically

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<v Speaker 4>just everywhere they said that i'd be is where I am.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you're just you're like about to hit a

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<v Speaker 4>new level and people. There's people that you really love

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<v Speaker 4>and respect and admire and people you really don't give

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<v Speaker 4>two ships about that you never think about. Like both

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<v Speaker 4>types of people all of a sudden like start throwing

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<v Speaker 4>shade at you and don't want to see you succeed.

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<v Speaker 4>And what I found, and I've known this for a

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<v Speaker 4>really long time, but I'm finding it significantly so recently,

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<v Speaker 4>is that when you're around you're the sum of the

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<v Speaker 4>five people you spend the most of the time with. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 4>when you're around people that are playing at a different level,

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<v Speaker 4>and you decide to do something incredible with yourself or

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<v Speaker 4>your life and you want to up level, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>have two types of energies come from people. The people

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<v Speaker 4>that love and support you regardless and the people who

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<v Speaker 4>feel inferior by what you're doing. So they're going to

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<v Speaker 4>try to stop you because the bigger you get, the

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<v Speaker 4>smaller makes them feel. Even if it's from a place of.

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<v Speaker 5>Love, they don't realize it's like a toxic.

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<v Speaker 4>Type of Oh, they don't realize that at all. This

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<v Speaker 4>can be one of your best friends just.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to like, oh, your dream is too big.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe plant seeds of like questioning the seeds.

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<v Speaker 4>Of doubt, like are you sure you really want to

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<v Speaker 4>do that? Or what makes you think you're capable of that?

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<v Speaker 5>Or what it happens if it doesn't work out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's my favorite. That's my favorite one. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>right now, I'm in the space where I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what, I got a lot of self doubt on

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<v Speaker 4>my own. I don't need yours too, But we're good.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good in that department. So you show up and

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<v Speaker 4>you rally with me, or just go deal with your

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<v Speaker 4>inner personal ship. Because when people throw shit at you,

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<v Speaker 4>it's never a reflection of you, it's a reflection of them.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm not that interesting place right now.

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<v Speaker 5>Interesting, that's true.

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<v Speaker 6>I think we get frustrated because we don't realize that

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<v Speaker 6>people are not doing it intentionally.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just them. It's the rejecting. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So I know Sam because she Duela the two of

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<v Speaker 6>my my my best friends, but both wait, my best

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<v Speaker 6>friend's births.

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<v Speaker 5>Baby babies, bab she duel it for both of her births.

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<v Speaker 5>That's amazing. Those were both really good birsts.

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<v Speaker 6>I I the first one I missed because my phone

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<v Speaker 6>was off and I was so angry.

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<v Speaker 5>I was so mad that no one called me more.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, why didn't you call my baby daddy?

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<v Speaker 5>I was furious. I was so furious that I got

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<v Speaker 5>to her.

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<v Speaker 3>So you made her birth about you?

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<v Speaker 4>I did, literally, I got Erica Erica. I was leaning

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<v Speaker 4>down when.

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<v Speaker 5>I got there and I opened the door and I

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<v Speaker 5>just started crying. She did think I did baby over

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<v Speaker 5>and saw.

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<v Speaker 4>Her face, but she just walks through the door, just

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<v Speaker 4>tears streaming down her face. I was like, ohne oh, honey,

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<v Speaker 4>I cry just thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know why I felt so oh, you know

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<v Speaker 6>why because I had just had a baby, not just

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<v Speaker 6>had a baby, but.

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<v Speaker 5>I really really, really really wanted a home birth and

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't get to have it.

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<v Speaker 6>And I had like low key convinced Alana to do it,

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<v Speaker 6>and she she finally like was convinced. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 6>I should have been here the second second baby. I

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't even in town. I was like, let me FaceTime

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<v Speaker 6>that baby. I'm perfectly fine.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember because like a week before we were facetiming.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you remember that she should she had like a

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<v Speaker 5>false alon.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 5>And then Sam was the first person who hugged me.

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<v Speaker 5>She was just like, it's okay. She had a duel

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<v Speaker 5>of me.

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<v Speaker 4>I legit am everyone's duel atta birth, not just the mom.

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<v Speaker 3>That's probably a thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, it's a huge thing.

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<v Speaker 3>As a doula do is that something like you have

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<v Speaker 3>to know you're.

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<v Speaker 4>Gonna have one. To be honest with you, I would say,

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<v Speaker 4>nine times out of ten, I'm the dula for the dad,

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<v Speaker 4>not the mom. M.

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<v Speaker 6>That's fasting because I would know a lot of dads

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<v Speaker 6>are like, we all need that doula.

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<v Speaker 4>And they all say that first. They all say that first,

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<v Speaker 4>and now they're all like they sing my praises. So

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<v Speaker 4>my friend Brandon is the perfect example. I literally never

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<v Speaker 4>met him before I helped his wife deliver her baby

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<v Speaker 4>in up parking lot.

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<v Speaker 5>And parking lot, you just happened to be walking up.

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<v Speaker 4>No, Like she had called me, and she was on

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<v Speaker 4>baby number two. And I didn't know her when she

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<v Speaker 4>had baby number one, but I knew number one was quick,

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<v Speaker 4>That's all I knew. And just like with Alana, we

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<v Speaker 4>see patterns, right, so I'm like number two is fall

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<v Speaker 4>out of her vagina, right, So she calls me up

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<v Speaker 4>and no, she had called it a certain time. I

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<v Speaker 4>saw a miscall on my phone and I'm like, she

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't be calling right now, that's interesting. And I called

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<v Speaker 4>back right away and she's like breathing heavy, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 4>I think I'm in labor, Like where are you? And

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<v Speaker 4>she's like, I'm in the parking lot of Happy Feet,

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<v Speaker 4>which is like a foot massage place. I'm like, of

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<v Speaker 4>course you're in labor, you're a Happy Feet. She's like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't make it in yet. I'm like, don't move,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be right there. Yes, And I get there and

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<v Speaker 4>she's covered in sweat and she's shaking, and this is

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<v Speaker 4>very very tall tale signs of transition, which is right

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<v Speaker 4>before you deliver. So I look at her and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>like totally calm, like all right, honey, you know what,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just going to take a peek downstairs. Just stay

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<v Speaker 4>where you're at. And I look down and she's crowning

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<v Speaker 4>in their parking lot, in her car in the parking lot.

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<v Speaker 4>So one by one people start showing up. Her husband

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<v Speaker 4>calls they have me, her best friend has me on speakerphone.

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<v Speaker 4>Her husband he's like, get her. So the hospital he

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<v Speaker 4>wanted her to go to was a lot further than

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<v Speaker 4>where we're at. He's like, get her there. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>that's not happening. And we're across the street from another

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<v Speaker 4>hospital called Henry Mayo, and he's like, then just walk

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<v Speaker 4>her down Henry may I was like, you don't understand,

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<v Speaker 4>that's not happening, Like you just need to be here.

0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:09.280
<v Speaker 4>And she held that baby in until he arrived and

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<v Speaker 4>we're like the fire departments there. One of my best

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<v Speaker 4>friends who's a midwife. I had called her like I

0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.080
<v Speaker 4>called I was calling the troops. I'm like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>catching a baby in a party. Lot, let me get here,

0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.800
<v Speaker 4>and she didn't know. I was like on the outside,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, yeah, very calm, but with her, I'm like

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<v Speaker 4>we're fine, everything's fine. I get out of the car, like,

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<v Speaker 4>where the fuck are you here? Fucking now?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>So it worked out. It was beautiful. But the point

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<v Speaker 4>of the story is her husband. I see him hop

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<v Speaker 4>out of the car and he's like, Amber, I'm here,

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<v Speaker 4>and I grab his hands and I throw them on

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<v Speaker 4>her back and I'm like, he's here. Feel him now,

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<v Speaker 4>pushed because she was holding that baby in and like

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't have heart tones. We didn't know how baby

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<v Speaker 4>was you know, so she baby needed to be delivered,

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<v Speaker 4>and I ended up being a gorgeous, beautiful, wonderful birth

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<v Speaker 4>and a parking lot amazing story. First after from the

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<v Speaker 4>moment I got there to the morment the baby was

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<v Speaker 4>born as seventeen minutes. Oh shit, it felt like three hours. Wow,

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<v Speaker 4>it was seventeen minutes.

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<v Speaker 5>By then.

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<v Speaker 4>He was coming from like the moor Park area, and

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<v Speaker 4>he flew on the shoulder the whole way to get there.

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<v Speaker 4>N Wow. I just got chills thinking about it. I

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<v Speaker 4>just got chilled, like he is on my way, baby,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm coming.

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<v Speaker 7>To stop me totally, totally And the best part was

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<v Speaker 7>her best friend was there, who was in a full

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<v Speaker 7>lake cast, like full boots, right, and she's this tiny

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<v Speaker 7>little girl and I'm like I needed to go inside

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<v Speaker 7>and get gloves and she's like, okay, what kind.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, just get gloves and she's like okay, because

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<v Speaker 4>we have any gloves or anything. So she takes off.

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<v Speaker 4>She comes back with like this full lake cast, like

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<v Speaker 4>eight pairs of blood. She's like I'm here, I'm here,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm like okay. And then Brandon's dad had got

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<v Speaker 4>there and none of us knew he was coming right,

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<v Speaker 4>but he called his dad like, hey, my wife's outing

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<v Speaker 4>a baby in a parking lot. He rolls up and

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<v Speaker 4>you see this big tall to me I come running

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<v Speaker 4>out of a car, and you see little tiny Natalie,

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<v Speaker 4>the best friend in the leg run over there and

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<v Speaker 4>grow ten feet tall, sir like checking him, not letting

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<v Speaker 4>him get to No woman, Yeah, nobody knew wo he was.

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<v Speaker 4>And she's like no, like she stopped him, and he's

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<v Speaker 4>like I'm here. It was the craziest thing, and the

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<v Speaker 4>medical run.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>So the whole point of the story is Brandon, who

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<v Speaker 4>I'd never met before. There ended up being a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit of a scare afterwards, you know, like how is

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<v Speaker 4>baby doing? We had like a good chunk of time

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<v Speaker 4>from when we got in the ambulance to the hospital

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<v Speaker 4>where there was a nervousness and I got to the hospital,

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<v Speaker 4>I followed behind them and ended up doing my little

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<v Speaker 4>Duela thing in the hallway with dad.

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<v Speaker 5>Wait, wait, was the baby not breathing?

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<v Speaker 6>Was it?

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<v Speaker 4>Baby was fine, It's just we want to see certain

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<v Speaker 4>things when baby's born. So have you ever heard of

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<v Speaker 4>an Appgar score? Yeah, so it's the idea, want to

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<v Speaker 4>see baby pinking up breathing well, responding well, and we

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<v Speaker 4>weren't necessarily seeing those things right away. Some babies take

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit longer to come around to make eye contact,

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<v Speaker 4>just to show signs of thrivingness.

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<v Speaker 5>Because I really understood what that scores.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, my other best friend be like, I was an

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<v Speaker 6>eight out of ten. I was the highest at gar scar.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, what the fuck does that mean.

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<v Speaker 4>It just means that we're looking right afterwards for how

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<v Speaker 4>well babies responding, and then we check again ten minutes later.

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<v Speaker 4>So some babies pink up right away and they're screaming

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<v Speaker 4>and they're very lively, and some babies take time. That's

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<v Speaker 4>all it is. So you know, there was a scare

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<v Speaker 4>there for a minute, and long story short, we just

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<v Speaker 4>had a very beautiful connection and I was able to

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<v Speaker 4>due let him as well and be there for him

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<v Speaker 4>and help him come to center and really take space.

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<v Speaker 4>And I've done that for multiple dads and many many

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<v Speaker 4>times since then. We'll be at like a barbecue or

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<v Speaker 4>something and Brandon and I are shooting the shit, having

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<v Speaker 4>a beard together, laughing, and everyone's always like, you guys

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<v Speaker 4>are really close, Like Brandon's like, totally not that way.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not that friendly with everyone. I'm like, what are

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<v Speaker 4>you tognize the nicest guy in the world, And everyone's like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>he's just that way with you because you're his doula.

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<v Speaker 4>What a special feelings for you? You know, And a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the dads are that way. They really were like,

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<v Speaker 4>who's this chick gonna like come intervene in my birth?

0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.600
<v Speaker 4>And then later they're like, I'll review her. You want

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<v Speaker 4>a video testimony? Oh, what do you need? Because we're

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<v Speaker 4>so much there for them as well.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, that's interesting because I do feel like the

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<v Speaker 6>men tend to like freak the fuck out.

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<v Speaker 4>The most they do because what you're doing is innate

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<v Speaker 4>and they're seeing you either trying to figure out your space,

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<v Speaker 4>which is scary to see because you look very confused

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<v Speaker 4>and alone, and or they see very primal and in

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<v Speaker 4>your way and it's beautiful and it's powerful, and a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of men look at that and they're like, what

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<v Speaker 4>the hell is going on?

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<v Speaker 5>How did you become a doula? Like what is the

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<v Speaker 5>process for that?

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<v Speaker 4>What made you? Yeah, so I had cervical cancer when

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<v Speaker 4>I was nineteen, Wow, And like, what is so? The

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<v Speaker 4>way I contracted it was my boyfriend cheated on me

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<v Speaker 4>and got hp and gave it to me, and the

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<v Speaker 4>particular strands there's many forms of HPV. HPV is not

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<v Speaker 4>necessarily like a sexually transmitted disease. It's like you getting

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<v Speaker 4>a cough or a cold. Everyone that's sexually active will

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<v Speaker 4>probably have it at some point or another and not

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<v Speaker 4>even know. But there's many strands of it, and one

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<v Speaker 4>of the strands does have the cervical cancer to aspect

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<v Speaker 4>to it. And I got that was nineteen. Tried Western

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<v Speaker 4>medicine a bunch of times, had two surgeries. It didn't work.

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<v Speaker 4>It failed, So then they didn't know what to do

0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.440
<v Speaker 4>with me. So they threw me to this midwife slash

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<v Speaker 4>obgyn in their practice and they're like, you handle it,

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<v Speaker 4>And she got me meditating, walking, exercising, eating whole foods,

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<v Speaker 4>plant based diet, and I recovered very very quickly because

0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.959
<v Speaker 4>of that, whereas nothing else worked. So that kind of

0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.000
<v Speaker 4>like led me on this journey of like just being healthier.

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<v Speaker 4>So my daddy's from the South and it is all

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<v Speaker 4>barbecue and mashed potatoes are the only vegetables. Right. My

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<v Speaker 4>mom's Filipino. They eat all parts of the animal, right,

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<v Speaker 4>so I wasn't raised on like the farthest thing from

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<v Speaker 4>a plant based diet, but it made a significant difference

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<v Speaker 4>in my health, which is another thing that Alana and

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<v Speaker 4>I really connect on right.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 4>The reason why I bring that up is I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>know that I was going to be able to have

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<v Speaker 4>kids because there's so much scar tissue on my cervix.

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<v Speaker 4>And my ex and I just found out we were pregnant,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was like the most beautiful blessing, But I

0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:29.880
<v Speaker 4>got something called hyper amesis graviderum. It's what Princess Kate had.

0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.639
<v Speaker 4>So you're like so sick you can't even hold down water.

0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.800
<v Speaker 4>It was horrible. I lost so much weight, my cheeks

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<v Speaker 4>were all sucked in like a tweaker Like I looked

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<v Speaker 4>so unhealthy. It's horrible. So all I could do my

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<v Speaker 4>whole pregnancy was I sucked on trail mix, I watched documentaries,

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<v Speaker 4>and I played Call of Duty. Yeah, so I googled

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<v Speaker 4>like all the different ways to help with motion sickness

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<v Speaker 4>and morning sickness, and I tried all of them. I

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<v Speaker 4>did everything, and the only one that made the biggest

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<v Speaker 4>difference is video games. Because your mind is focusing on

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<v Speaker 4>something else, so it takes you off of it. So

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<v Speaker 4>for like six months I couldn't work. I literally sat

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<v Speaker 4>there watched documentaries ate ten different kinds of trail mix

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<v Speaker 4>from sprouts to mix it up because I could only

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<v Speaker 4>have like one thing in my mouth and suck on

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<v Speaker 4>it to not throw up. And I came across the

0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:23.560
<v Speaker 4>business of being born. I watched and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>oh shit, Well I never thought that I was going

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<v Speaker 4>to do this, but guess I'm having a baby in

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<v Speaker 4>a baptim. Like I'm all about it. So I started

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<v Speaker 4>googling and researching, and I found out that it was

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<v Speaker 4>going to cost a lot of money for a midwife

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<v Speaker 4>that he didn't have. My ex works in the studios

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<v Speaker 4>we both used to and they were on hiatus. He

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<v Speaker 4>literally did not work my entire pregnancy. We could not

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<v Speaker 4>afford that, right. It was going to be like fifty

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<v Speaker 4>five hundred out of pocket. Insurance didn't cover it, and

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<v Speaker 4>I was just like, shit, what are we going to do?

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<v Speaker 4>And then I found out about dulas, and I just

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<v Speaker 4>I researched my whole pregnancy, and my sister in law

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<v Speaker 4>and my cousin's wife and all these women kept coming

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<v Speaker 4>to me with pregnancy questions because I knew. All I

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<v Speaker 4>did was sit home and research and watched documentaries, and

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<v Speaker 4>then one after another people just asked me to start

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<v Speaker 4>attending their births. And I had an incredible birth experience.

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<v Speaker 4>And did you.

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<v Speaker 3>End up having your son at home?

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<v Speaker 4>So what I did was I labored at home, first

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<v Speaker 4>in my shower, which is a whole crazy story for

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<v Speaker 4>another day because it's a long one, and then in

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<v Speaker 4>my jacuzzi, and then my doula got there. And then

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<v Speaker 4>we had a friend who had a birth center who

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<v Speaker 4>was a midwife, and she let me come there and

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<v Speaker 4>check me because I didn't want to get to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was basically like ready to push and when

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<v Speaker 4>I go by the time I was seven centimeters, She's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>you can go to the hospital now and have your baby.

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<v Speaker 4>So I ended up delivering at the hospital, but I

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<v Speaker 4>was able to labor for most of the time away

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<v Speaker 4>from the hospital, which makes a significant difference.

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<v Speaker 3>So were you like a high risk pregnancy because of

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<v Speaker 3>the scar teessue?

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<v Speaker 4>No, but what they did say was one of two

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<v Speaker 4>things happens with the scar tissues, So if it's fred

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<v Speaker 4>they call it incompetent cervix, which is like such a

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<v Speaker 4>demeaning name. All the medical terms for women are incompetent cervix,

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's just not good enough. So what happens is

0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:14.159
<v Speaker 4>it's soft and it dilates very quickly, which would be

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<v Speaker 4>ideal dilate have a baby, right, or that scar t

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<v Speaker 4>issue doesn't want to dilate, And that's what end up

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<v Speaker 4>happening to me. So even though I got to the

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<v Speaker 4>hospital at seven centimeters, like this is going to go

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<v Speaker 4>so fast, transition to the smallest part, Yes, stuck in

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<v Speaker 4>transition from eleven in the morning till seven at night

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<v Speaker 4>when I delivered, Wow, like the most intense part of labor,

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<v Speaker 4>because that piece of scar tissue when it pop, oh

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<v Speaker 4>my god, They're like there's one piece left and if

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<v Speaker 4>you push, your cervix is gonna swell and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>end up in a C section. So I laid they're

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<v Speaker 4>not pushing for a really long time.

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<v Speaker 6>When I got pregnant same, I was like super psycho

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<v Speaker 6>research pregnancy honestly, like, I don't know what's gonna happen

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<v Speaker 6>in my lifetime, but I would get into birth work,

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<v Speaker 6>I would be I would like, that's totally something I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know. I don't know if it's that movie makes

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<v Speaker 6>everybody want to be in birth work, but I agree.

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<v Speaker 6>But one of the things that during my research, and like,

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<v Speaker 6>first of all, a lot of people don't know a

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<v Speaker 6>lot about home birth.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of people don't know that what a duel is,

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<v Speaker 5>what's the difference between a midwife and no idea?

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<v Speaker 6>But you know, you explain it really well like your

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<v Speaker 6>supporter to mostly the mom, but obviously the dad too.

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<v Speaker 6>But I feel like a lot of people because what

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<v Speaker 6>I discovered when I was doing research is like there's

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<v Speaker 6>so many things that can like navigate your pregnancy, like

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<v Speaker 6>your labor specifically in pregnancy that come up like trauma.

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<v Speaker 4>Girl, this is my jam. Nobody talks about this.

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<v Speaker 6>And when it came up for me in my many

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<v Speaker 6>book research podcasts, crazy shit, I was, I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>who was.

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<v Speaker 3>Doing all types of shit.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, wow, that makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 5>And also I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>Why no one has really discussed it like so much.

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<v Speaker 6>So where like I've read, I read a story about

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<v Speaker 6>someone like in labor and then maybe like the midwife

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<v Speaker 6>had a conversation with her about like some sexual trauma experienced.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, and during labor like literally like she closed

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<v Speaker 6>back up and read and dilated smaller.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, because I came up for her and she

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<v Speaker 5>literally had to release that energy for her to birth

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<v Speaker 5>her child. Like the energy we hold in our womb

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<v Speaker 5>is so real and so.

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<v Speaker 4>So powerful, powerful, so powerful.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think women really recognize how much that correlates

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<v Speaker 6>with labor and birds.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh it's so significant. So interestingly enough, something you said,

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of want to take you back to, so

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<v Speaker 4>you know how you said, like, oh, I can totally

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<v Speaker 4>see myself being a dulo one day. That's because innately

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<v Speaker 4>you are. So I want you guys to go on

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<v Speaker 4>a quick little journey with me for a second. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>So let's pretend it's two hundred years ago and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going into labor right now, right and we all are

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<v Speaker 4>in a tribe and we live in the same community,

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<v Speaker 4>the same village. I would not be afraid. I'd have

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<v Speaker 4>zero fears in my head from television, movies and society

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<v Speaker 4>to have baby because I was at Jamila's birth last

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<v Speaker 4>year and I supported her through that and the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of the women came together and saw it, and I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't worried about what she was going to do afterwards,

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<v Speaker 4>because I knew she could breastfeed, and if she was

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<v Speaker 4>actually one of the less than two percent of women

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<v Speaker 4>who cannot breastfeed, there would be another woman there to

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<v Speaker 4>nurse her child, and her older children children and her

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<v Speaker 4>spouse would be taken care of and be fed, and

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<v Speaker 4>would be fine, because your only job after you have

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 4>that baby is to lay there naked for days, weeks

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:35.400
<v Speaker 4>since some cultures months, nurse your baby skin to skin,

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<v Speaker 4>rest and recover. It's a healing process, not only as

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<v Speaker 4>a baby being born, but so is a mother.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't honor this process. It's not normalized. Birth isn't

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<v Speaker 4>a normal thing. It's I think we've made very medical right.

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<v Speaker 4>So our mind around is completely asked backwards. And the

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<v Speaker 4>reason why you said you can see yourself doing that

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<v Speaker 4>is because whether it's you in a past life or

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<v Speaker 4>it's what's been passed down generationally through yourselves, is that's

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.479
<v Speaker 4>what we did as women. We honored each other, we

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<v Speaker 4>supported each other. We've seen birth since we were children.

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<v Speaker 4>It cracks me up. There was this post on Instagram

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<v Speaker 4>the other day, and it might even have been one

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<v Speaker 4>of my midwife friends, and she had children in the

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<v Speaker 4>room and the mom was birthing her baby and people

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<v Speaker 4>are like, oh, they're going to traumatize that kid, and

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, no, no, no, no, hold on. Especially the boys

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.159
<v Speaker 4>in that room are going to be the best husbands

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<v Speaker 4>and the best support systems because birth is not going

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<v Speaker 4>to be weird to them, and they are going to

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<v Speaker 4>believe so much in their partner when she goes to

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<v Speaker 4>have their child, there will be zero fear.

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 3>And also they're going to see what women women like,

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.120
<v Speaker 3>what miracles we are, yes, like.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, power women are. And here's the thing. There's no

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 4>such thing as love and hate. There's love and fear.

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 4>Fear is the opposite of love. Right, And when you

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 4>think about men that don't support women, it's not because

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 4>they hate them. It's because they're in fear. They're in

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 4>fear of their power, they're in fear of losing them,

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<v Speaker 4>fear of all them.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I forgot.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, Oh, we were talking about trauma.

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<v Speaker 4>Trauma of trauma. So birth is ninety percent psychology. Oh right,

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<v Speaker 4>and trauma comes up in birth every single time.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, he said to ninety percent, Like in your.

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<v Speaker 4>Psychology ninety percent.

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<v Speaker 5>I would say that I think there's a point.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if you agree, Erica, there's a point

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<v Speaker 6>in laboring where like I realized, I'm like, okay, I

0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 6>have to go inside myself.

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 5>Like yeah, sister, yes, I literally took his space.

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 3>I had this.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't have a duel. I wanted to do it

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<v Speaker 6>because it's same. I didn't have money. I didn't have

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 6>fifty five hundred dollars. I call my friend's mama, was like,

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 6>you think your mom will come out here because she's

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<v Speaker 6>like been a couple of births and do an unassistant childbirth,

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 6>and I it's sassed about it. Like even before I

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 6>got pretty, I was really into watching home births and

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 6>then I show Luna too, So I really I don't

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.479
<v Speaker 6>I think it's good to normalize it. I think some

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 6>of my friends may think it's a little weird.

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, her daughter sits and watches like two hours worth

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.720
<v Speaker 3>of birthing videos and then I walk in and on

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 3>my my floor walks in. You could close the door,

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:02.959
<v Speaker 3>and they're pretending to have babies in her room, and

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I'm not really sure if I want my

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 3>four year old pretendingly she's having a baby. I put

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 3>back on the birthday video. It's like they watched birthing

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 3>video actually, and I.

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<v Speaker 6>Actually heard a really like disturbing story and I just

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 6>got scared. So I just but I also like we

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 6>watched birthing of animals, but the same I wanted it

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 6>to be normalized. I don't want it to be fearful,

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 6>Like my first introduction to birth was like scary, like

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 6>in a hospital setting, and that's how I knew I

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 6>didn't want to do that.

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 5>But as women, and this is.

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<v Speaker 6>What our bodies do, I think it's there's no early

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 6>or late age to discuss it. There's nothing, there's nothing

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 6>inappropriate or strange. I mean, obviously it can be traumatic.

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 6>But that's why I like to show a range of births,

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 6>because sometimes they're really quiet, sometimes they're really like there's

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 6>all types of birth, so.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's important.

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 6>But we had another guest, like we had another guest

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<v Speaker 6>a while ago, jess Jessica Hooper, and she was saying

0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 6>that she was really scared of miscarrying. She kept like

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 6>obsessing over it to the point where her midwife is like,

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:01.960
<v Speaker 6>why do you feel like you don't deserve your baby?

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 5>And I was like, Wow, I never heard anything like this.

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 6>And she was saying how she felt like her sexual

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 6>history because maybe she'd, like whatever, had sex with guys

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 6>with unattached situation. She felt like she didn't deserve like

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 6>her husband and her baby, and that it was really psyched,

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 6>like fucking with her psyche making her feel like something

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 6>was gonna happen to her.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, totally.

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 6>And I like, there's so many things that play into like,

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<v Speaker 6>as you as a doula, have have you experienced any

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<v Speaker 6>like trauma with women that have like affected their labor

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 6>or their pregnancy.

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So it's actually the first thing that I address,

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 4>and it's my approach, and it's very different. And you know,

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't preface this by saying that dula's are God's

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 4>gift to birth in today's society. I am a duel.

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 4>I have nothing but good things to say about dula's.

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 4>But even the best DULAS certification training programs out there

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 4>today don't necessarily teach about this. They do teach about

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 4>dealing with loss or with sexual trauma to a certain degree,

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 4>which is fantastic and it's something that needs to be addressed.

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 4>But what I found is a lot of the typical typicals,

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<v Speaker 4>not even the word traditional duelist support today is how

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 4>do I support a woman in a hospital to make

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 4>the best choices that are right for her body. What

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 4>are her alternatives, what are her options? How can I

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 4>manage her labor and pain. That's really the broad spectrum

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 4>of it, and what I found within for the first

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 4>few years is it's all psychology and it's all the

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 4>inner game. And so most of the work that I

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 4>do with my clients is before the birth, not during,

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 4>and it's a lot of visualization and meditation, like a

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 4>lot of fear and burning release lists, like getting the

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 4>shit out of your head and figuring out what it

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 4>is you need to heal, because if you haven't, I

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 4>promise you, sister, it's coming up when you're in labor

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 4>and it causes issues every time. So sometimes it give

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 4>me sexual trauma or abuse. Sometimes it's just mommy or

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 4>daddy issues. Sometimes it's issues with their spouse or partner.

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 4>That's I was gonna say, it's a big one. The

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 4>number one thing I prescribe leading up to birth is

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 4>lots of sex. And you guys need to get in

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 4>a good routine now, So what is your self honoring

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 4>date night that you have every single week no matter what.

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 4>He doesn't schedule work or anything. You don't schedule anything.

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 4>This is your time just to connect, child free, whether

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 4>you have other children or you don't. Because here's the

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 4>thing is, we do this as women, do we not?

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 4>We put the children first because that's a good thing

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 4>to do as a mom. Be self sacrificing for your children.

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 4>Then if there's anything left, that's gonna go to my manner,

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 4>my partner, right, and then there's nothing left for me,

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 4>And I'm just this empty vat of nothing that can't

0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 4>pour into anyone. And it's completely fucking backwards. I can

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 4>say fuck on this thing right now. I'm like, it's

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 4>completely fucking backwards. It's completely fucking backwards. So what I

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 4>teach is, Okay, let's get in alignment with you. Let's

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 4>be super honoring to you, selfish but fucking honoring, right

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 4>so you can show up as the best partner in spouse,

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 4>which that should be. The second thing is nurturing your

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 4>relationship because children are master manipulators and they're master at

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 4>divide and conquer. So if they don't see a united front,

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 4>they are going to divide and conquer to get what

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 4>they want. Right you guys, even when you yes, even

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 4>when you're not on the same page and you do

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 4>not agree at all, those children need to think that

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 4>you have each other's back and you agree no matter what.

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 4>That's massive. That's huge. So I teach all of these things. Now,

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 4>tell me what this has to do with birth. I'm

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 4>teaching like how to have a healthy relationship, how to

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 4>have a good sexual and physical relationship, connecting with each other,

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 4>supporting each other, being in the right headspace before you

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 4>go in there to have a baby. That's huge. This

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 4>is big work we're doing, especially for first time parents,

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 4>right right, you know, I.

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 3>Just say, okay, all those things seem like, yes, we

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 3>need all those things. But you meet people at certain

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 3>points in their life and their journey and their relationship,

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 3>and sometimes like I just feel like it not all

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 3>those They're not going to hit all those marks. No, No,

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 3>nine nine times out of ten, nine times at a

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 3>time they are they're they're not happy in their relationship

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 3>even though they're having a baby. Maybe they're having a

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.320
<v Speaker 3>baby to fix the relationship, or they just got pregnant

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 3>or whatever. Or for me personally, when I got pregnant,

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 3>like it was a distraction from our relationship and suddenly

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 3>we had something to come together on. And then once

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 3>the baby was here, we realized, oh shit, we haven't

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 3>worked on anything and we're.

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 4>Two different people.

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Are fucked.

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know.

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 3>That is a lot of parents, and like, so I think,

0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 3>like how so, I mean, I guess you just do

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 3>what you can and try to encourage it. And also

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 3>men talking to men about all those points. M M.

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean if I think about like my baby daddy,

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 3>if like you were my doula and he was saying

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 3>all these things to him, he would have been like,

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 3>fuck this.

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 4>But see, it doesn't it doesn't all come out like that.

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:57.360
<v Speaker 4>So I'm giving you guys, like the breakdown.

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 3>It's like easy, like it's like you probably ease into it.

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm just thinking about like the people that you know

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 3>are having are pregnant now listening to this and are like,

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, I have so much work to do.

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 6>Oh my god, But I'm so happy because so many

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 6>people don't even know they need to know, they know

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 6>they have to.

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 3>I wish that like for me, like my birth story

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 3>was that I didn't want to have and I saw

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 3>the business of being born. It definitely encouraged me to

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 3>have a home birth. My partner was not supportive, my

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 3>doctors were not supportive. I didn't have any point of reference.

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 3>None of my friends have kids. I was just on

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 3>this journey by myself. My parents definitely were like, wait,

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 3>you want to have a baby where I know? Yeah,

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 3>So I just was like, fuck it, I'm going to

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 3>just do it at the hospital. I have great insurance.

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 3>It's going to cover ninety percent of my birth.

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 4>Which your story, by the way, is very similar to

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 4>most women's.

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:47.799
<v Speaker 3>Just you know, I even had a doula come and

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 3>talk to us, and my partner at the time was

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 3>just like, well, why are if there's an emergency, we're

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 3>going to go to the hospital. Why don't we just

0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 3>go to the hospital. Why are we doing this? Like

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 3>he was such an assholder. And then and what ended

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:03.800
<v Speaker 3>up happening was I ended up you know, my doctor

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 3>encouraged me to get induced because my baby was too big,

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:07.800
<v Speaker 3>getting bigger and bigger.

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, your massive large baby.

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 3>She was there, Yeah, it was. She was getting so big,

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 3>her head was huge. Well I had a sea section, no,

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 3>of course, but like I didn't want to have a

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 3>c section that was not in my birth plan. But

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 3>everything went wrong after the after getting induced.

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 4>Everything went wrong where you start.

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 3>So like you said, like, you know, there's this point

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 3>of like where I was in labor and I went

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 3>within myself. It almost makes me sad because I didn't

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 3>do that. I didn't have to. I was under drugs.

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:45.280
<v Speaker 3>I didn't feel anything. The fact I was chilling.

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:47.280
<v Speaker 5>Why they they gave you drugs.

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean when I started induced. When I got induced,

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 3>my contractions were so intense. There was no build up.

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 3>It was just like level ten.

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, when they inter when they start intercepting with ship,

0:36:57.560 --> 0:36:58.280
<v Speaker 6>it goes downhill.

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.880
<v Speaker 3>It was no like oh yeah, I think it was like,

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.799
<v Speaker 3>oh my god. And so I was like, I need epidurals.

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 3>When I had the epidural and then I was in

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 3>labor for thirty hours under epidural, but I wasn't like laboring. Yeah,

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:12.400
<v Speaker 3>So I'm like, I'm almost like, I like when she

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 3>said that, I was like, I wish I knew what

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 3>that felt like.

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 4>I don't even know you're You're right. Everything you're saying

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 4>is right. And so many moms say that to me,

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:21.879
<v Speaker 4>especially my v back mamas, and they're like I feel

0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 4>like I was robbed of somebody totally. And I tell them,

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 4>to be honest, you were you were, You were robbed

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 4>of the experience that is, it's this beautiful journey. So

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.520
<v Speaker 4>this is how I like to explain it. So everyone

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 4>in today's society, men and women are like have an

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.799
<v Speaker 4>issue of going outside themselves looking for answers. Right, We're

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 4>always looking for the answers outside of ourselves. Never do

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:43.239
<v Speaker 4>we think to go inward. We weren't taught to do that.

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:45.720
<v Speaker 4>So when you're in labor, you go through this journey

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.840
<v Speaker 4>of like, somebody's gonna save me. Somebody's gonna save me.

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 4>It's my partner, it's my spouse, it's the doula, it's

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 4>the doctor, it's the midwife, the nurse. Somebody's gonna fix this.

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 4>Somebody's gonna save me. The white horse is coming in.

0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 4>And all of my moms, that every single one of

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 4>them that have achieved a completely natural birth, finally get

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 4>to a point in their labor where they look at

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 4>me and they want to give up, and they ask me,

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 4>how much longer is this going to fucking do? And

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.319
<v Speaker 4>my answer is always the same, it's up to you.

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 4>And there was one specific one where I remember we

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.200
<v Speaker 4>were sitting at her bathroom together. I spent a lot

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 4>of time in the bathroom with women a lot. Yeah, well,

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 4>it's it's a normal place for you to open up

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 4>and feel privacy, and so it's a very safe space

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 4>for most women. So we're in the bathroom and she

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 4>looks at me and she's like, I'm just how much

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:33.759
<v Speaker 4>fucking longer is this going to take? And I said

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 4>it's up to you. And I remember looking at her

0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 4>and within seconds something shifted and she got serious and

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 4>she's like, Okay, let's do this. She didn't say that,

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 4>but you could tell that was her energy and I

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 4>could see this, this wave of energy move through her

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, oh shit, things are gonna start progressing.

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 4>So I ran and grab a talent through it underneath her.

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 4>As soon as she shifted positions, tons of bloody show,

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 4>which indicates cervical change, and within thirty minutes we had

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 4>to leave for the hospital. First time. Mom shouldn't have

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:03.400
<v Speaker 4>it should's taken her way longer than from the point

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:06.480
<v Speaker 4>that she shifted at and within a few hours the

0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:09.320
<v Speaker 4>baby was born. And it was the internal shift that happens.

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 4>So the thing that we're talking about that I feel

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 4>women get robbed of and it makes me sad, it

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 4>makes me hurt for you, it does because that is

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 4>your right of passage. Because what happens in that shift

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 4>is you realize nobody's coming to fucking save me. There's

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 4>no white horse. There's no white horse. And you go

0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 4>inward and your body takes over, and suddenly your contractions

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.360
<v Speaker 4>are far more intense, they're closer together, your whole labor

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 4>is more intense, but you're handling it completely differently. It's

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 4>almost like a meditative state, and it's something beautiful to watch.

0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:45.200
<v Speaker 4>And some women, my sister in law's a great example.

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 4>This is the girl who goes into the hospital when

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:49.760
<v Speaker 4>she's contracting and says, I'm ready to have my baby,

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.280
<v Speaker 4>and they say, oh no, you're only two centimeters dilated,

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 4>contractions are too far apart. She's like, give me thirty minutes.

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 4>She goes and does two hundred squats. She comes back

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 4>in and she's like, give me my upidor and my

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:02.919
<v Speaker 4>potosa now, and she pushes her baby out five hours later.

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.919
<v Speaker 4>She's a freak of nature. She loves to have these

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:09.239
<v Speaker 4>medicated births to control the whole situation. That makes her

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 4>happy and that's empowering to her. But for a lot

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 4>of women, they don't want that. They want the process,

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 4>even if they go through it and decide they hated it,

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 4>they wanted the opportunity to Yeah, So it's kind of

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.359
<v Speaker 4>My stance is like, I don't give a shit how

0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:25.800
<v Speaker 4>you give birth. You should give birth, how you feel

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 4>safe and empowered, and how you want to give birth.

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 4>There is zero judgment. I wanted the few duelers who

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 4>believes in epidurals you should do it how you feel best. However,

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that anyone should take that choice from you,

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.240
<v Speaker 4>and that happens. It happens to a lot of people.

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:42.840
<v Speaker 3>And so it's so funny that you said that you

0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 3>specialize in feedback because after my C section, and that's

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 3>how I knew my doctor, I was bultless some bullshit

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 3>and she's like this, and I didn't realize at the

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 3>time she's like a celebrity doctor. I had no idea. Like,

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.279
<v Speaker 3>my friend worked at theater Sina. She even going to

0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 3>her forginocology. She told me she was great. I hadn't

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:01.319
<v Speaker 3>even told my mom I was pregnant yet and she

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:02.920
<v Speaker 3>was like, you have to go see at this doctor,

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 3>and so I just started to go see her and

0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:06.719
<v Speaker 3>then I just went on this journey with her. Now

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 3>she doesn't even take insurance, like people are paying her

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 3>full price to deliver their babies. I think Chloe Kardashian.

0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Actually she delivered Chloe Kardashian's.

0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 4>Baby, but most of those women don't.

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 3>On the Kardashians, I was like, this bitch, I was

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 3>not her. I was like embarrassed, Okay, thee who my

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 3>baby is on the FUS? What kind of function is this?

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:28.799
<v Speaker 3>But after I had the baby, she.

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:31.399
<v Speaker 4>I came.

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 3>I would come for checkups and she was like, yeah,

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, when you have your next baby, it would

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 3>be so easy. We'll just I'll lease, like I can

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 3>just fix that scar. And I was like, wait, so

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 3>you're already telling me I'm going to have another C

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 3>section and she's like, well, yeah, that's that's the best option.

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm like for you, because you get paid, you get

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 3>to leave when the fuck you want to leave, like

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 3>I didn't. I like, I had watched so many birthing

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 3>videos because even though I decided to have the birth

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:55.560
<v Speaker 3>at the hospital, I still was like I want to

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:57.280
<v Speaker 3>have it the most natural way. I want the baby.

0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 3>I want my baby to call up to me, yea.

0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 4>To crawl up to Yeah, yeah, the breast crawl.

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.680
<v Speaker 3>She like took the baby away. I just like I

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:09.239
<v Speaker 3>was on the table half dead and then they put

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 3>the baby on my face. But the like then I

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 3>started researching feedbacks and like, can you explain to our

0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:18.040
<v Speaker 3>listeners have a lot, of course, a lot of women

0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 3>that have had these sections that feel like their only

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:23.600
<v Speaker 3>option is to have another one, or they're scared, or

0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 3>for me, my doctor said, like a vback, it is

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<v Speaker 3>not a good idea.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, it's fair, Okay, So a lot of fear. So

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.880
<v Speaker 4>here's the thing. This is called fear mongering, and unfortunately

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 4>everyone's responsible for this. I see midwives do it. I

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 4>see nurses, doctors, juelas, I see everyone use fear mongering.

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.839
<v Speaker 4>So the example if you're mongering is saying something out

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:45.759
<v Speaker 4>of fear to get you to see their side. So

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 4>I can come on here and tell you how amazing

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 4>the option of natural birth is, or I can tell

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 4>you how awful the alternative of a hospital birth is.

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 4>They're both mean the same thing, but which one's more effective?

0:42:57.239 --> 0:42:59.359
<v Speaker 4>Me telling you how amazing something could be for you

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:01.279
<v Speaker 4>or me sing the shit out of you into doing

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 4>something that I don't think you should do that you

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 4>think is amazing.

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:06.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're actually helping exactly.

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 4>So what doctors do. The most common term I hear

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 4>with youback is your risk of a uterine rupture doubles

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 4>when you have a vwback. Well, the percentage we're doubling

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 4>from here is like point zero zero two percent to

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 4>point zero zero four percent, so we're still talking less

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 4>than a one percent chance of a uterine rupture. The

0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:30.399
<v Speaker 4>other things that play a huge role is it used

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:32.319
<v Speaker 4>to be the type of incision, it used to be

0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:35.440
<v Speaker 4>the way the cesarean was performed. We don't perform those

0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 4>type of cesaians anymore. So unless you had one fifteen

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 4>twenty years ago, that's not a concern either. You're at

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 4>the same risk virtually for a uterine rupture, so we

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:48.319
<v Speaker 4>take the same precautions we would as we normally do. Right,

0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 4>So basically this is the only in my opinion, there's

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 4>only two things I see as a risk factor when

0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 4>it comes to be back. The first one is and

0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 4>it's funny because you have different hospitals, say different things.

0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:03.960
<v Speaker 4>Cedars is actually really great at feedback. A lot of

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.719
<v Speaker 4>my feedbacks are there, and there's other fantastic doctors there,

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:08.360
<v Speaker 4>just you know that I work with all the time.

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:12.839
<v Speaker 4>But there's another awful hospital that I can't legally say

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 4>the name of it. I can't because I can get

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 4>like black belt from the hospital. So there's this terrible hospital.

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:27.359
<v Speaker 4>It's awful, and they they require that you get into

0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.360
<v Speaker 4>if you're going to fedback because they need to control

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:32.400
<v Speaker 4>the situation because it's all fear, right, they require that

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:34.799
<v Speaker 4>you go in, you get induced, and you have an

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:37.880
<v Speaker 4>epidural and they're monitoring you every second of your labor.

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 4>If you're going to even attempt a feedback, they're called

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 4>a tolac. It's a trial of labor. Okay, trial yeah, yeah.

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 3>So that's super fear like a trial, like, oh, let

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.440
<v Speaker 3>me let me try and maybe not kill my baby.

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 4>You're not super capable of this, but we'll try me.

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 3>You can try. I mean, if you want to risk

0:44:58.600 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 3>your baby's life.

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:03.319
<v Speaker 4>No, totally, it's fucking bullshit, right. So the alternative to

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 4>that is I recommend you actually don't have any interventions

0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:09.360
<v Speaker 4>if you're going to be back because picture a uterus

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:11.920
<v Speaker 4>like this. Okay, so for our listeners, you can picture

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:13.799
<v Speaker 4>like a big balloon in your hand and you've got

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:16.359
<v Speaker 4>both hands on either side of the balloon that's blown

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 4>up and when you squeeze it, that's like your uterus. Right,

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:21.320
<v Speaker 4>So your contractions come like this, and they give you

0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:24.359
<v Speaker 4>a break, and contractions come like this, and then there's

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.840
<v Speaker 4>another break in between contractions. Well with the potosin a

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 4>lot of times you go from zero to one hundred.

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:33.240
<v Speaker 4>It's like this, right, And most of the time people

0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 4>don't understand what drugs are being used for induction. So

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:40.920
<v Speaker 4>there's something called mesoprossel or servadel. So basically what that

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:44.440
<v Speaker 4>stuff is made of is pig and bolsperm. That's what

0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:51.279
<v Speaker 4>it's made of. Animal hormones, yes, basically, so, Yes, it's

0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 4>inserted vaginally and it's reality, it's very much so. But

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 4>think about think about the uterus for think about the

0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 4>uterus for a cow. It's probably the size of you

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:04.919
<v Speaker 4>that has a cabinet, right, So we're contracting a very

0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:07.799
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of there's a lot going on here, right.

0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 6>Putting it in a human cervix that isn't really right.

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.080
<v Speaker 4>It we're really. I mean, it's it's dangerous. So when

0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:17.279
<v Speaker 4>you have a uterist that's just like not it's when

0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 4>you introduce interventions, that's when there's side effects. That's when

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:23.959
<v Speaker 4>shit goes back. So I highly recommend for my moms

0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.800
<v Speaker 4>who do want to have a trial of labor attempt

0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 4>to view back, to go as natural as humanly possible, okay,

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 4>and to not have any interventions that are medically unnecessary.

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:36.920
<v Speaker 4>And you can do a v back at home, yes,

0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 4>absolutely So it depends on the state that you're in,

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:42.040
<v Speaker 4>because I'm assuming some of the listeners are, you know,

0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:46.080
<v Speaker 4>not in California. In California, you can have a you

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.360
<v Speaker 4>can have a view back. The thing is, you just

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 4>have to be a good candidate for out of hospital birth,

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:54.239
<v Speaker 4>so you can't have like be high risk or have

0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 4>a history of certain things that could cause that to

0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 4>happen again. But feedback is perfectly done safe at home.

0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 6>I had preclamsy it I can't. I might at high

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:04.520
<v Speaker 6>risk next time.

0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:06.680
<v Speaker 4>Automatically, No, not automatically.

0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:09.480
<v Speaker 3>It's so funny because v back, Like when I first

0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:11.759
<v Speaker 3>heard that term, I literally felt like maybe like my

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 3>uterus didn't work the right way anymore, Like that because

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:19.359
<v Speaker 3>they I was cut open, that now I had scar

0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:21.600
<v Speaker 3>tissue and that had something to do with the reason why,

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 3>because they didn't explain it. It was just like, no,

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:25.560
<v Speaker 3>you can't do it, so just don't even think about it.

0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 3>This is this is your option. And so I just like,

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:30.600
<v Speaker 3>so that's another reason why I think I was like,

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:31.879
<v Speaker 3>I'm never having another kid again.

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:35.040
<v Speaker 4>It traumatizes you. And I hear just so.

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:37.879
<v Speaker 3>Many women are still have the beliefs that I had.

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.319
<v Speaker 3>I mean, thank God, like you know, I've been able

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:43.120
<v Speaker 3>to I've taken it upon myself to do more research.

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 3>But like I really was like, oh, I'm like, my

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 3>uterus is broken. I can't. I fucked it up and

0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:49.760
<v Speaker 3>this is my only way of giving.

0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 4>Somebody told you that you were inadequate pretty much, and

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 4>it's bullshit. It's bullshit.

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:57.359
<v Speaker 6>I think that's why it's so important to do your

0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:00.520
<v Speaker 6>research when you become frigent. I think actually in like

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 6>communities for like black and brown women, like it's not

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 6>I just think it's just not a culture that's really

0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:07.240
<v Speaker 6>explored period.

0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:09.440
<v Speaker 5>Like you get what you just think you're going to

0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:09.920
<v Speaker 5>the hospital.

0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:12.320
<v Speaker 6>It's gonna hurt, it's going to be intense, it's scary,

0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:14.400
<v Speaker 6>and then you give birth. So I think it's like

0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:16.960
<v Speaker 6>even to have a birth plan like I like to

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.400
<v Speaker 6>have if I had a doula, I had a very intense,

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:22.120
<v Speaker 6>like you know, you you don't want drugs, you don't

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:23.799
<v Speaker 6>want this, and then you're just drugged up, you don't

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:25.520
<v Speaker 6>know what the fuck is happening, and they're not explaining

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:27.960
<v Speaker 6>shit to there's fear, like but even I had a

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 6>very descriptive, very researched, well three page like birth plan,

0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:35.799
<v Speaker 6>but because I didn't have a doula, and I end

0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 6>up going to the hospital, like no one was.

0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:39.680
<v Speaker 3>There to make sure.

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.359
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, like they went against what the fuck I wrote down,

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:43.920
<v Speaker 6>and then later like I guess they realized it and

0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:46.799
<v Speaker 6>then had like make copies so as people were coming on.

0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:48.839
<v Speaker 5>Because that's actually really like a legal thing.

0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 6>I've documented specifically what I don't want you to do,

0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 6>and you've done it anyway.

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 5>So I think it's so important.

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:56.440
<v Speaker 6>To do your research even if you can't, okay, I

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 6>can't afford a duel or can't afford a midwife, to

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:02.719
<v Speaker 6>still have some like some direction of where you want

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:05.080
<v Speaker 6>to go, because a lot of doctors expect you to

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 6>not be in performed.

0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 5>And that's and that's.

0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:10.759
<v Speaker 6>How they can really use fear because if you don't know, Ship,

0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 6>and you's like, you don't know they're saying fifty, you

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:15.800
<v Speaker 6>know your your chance doubles. You don't know what's fucking

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:17.719
<v Speaker 6>from two point point two zero's.

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:22.719
<v Speaker 3>Doctor told me that that do you know how many?

0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:24.279
<v Speaker 3>When I told I want to have homeber, she do

0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:27.520
<v Speaker 3>you know how many home birth still born babies I've delivered?

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 5>Like?

0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:30.360
<v Speaker 4>She totally she said that.

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:34.399
<v Speaker 3>She said, do you really want to risk your first child?

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:36.400
<v Speaker 3>Why don't you just have your first child at the hospital,

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.719
<v Speaker 3>see how that goes. You want to have another one,

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.879
<v Speaker 3>you can, you'll, you'll, you'll know how the process works.

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:43.239
<v Speaker 5>I would have been like, well, how many? I want

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 5>to know specifically? How many have you?

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't that aggressive?

0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:49.600
<v Speaker 6>I know I was such an aggressive patient. That's why

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:51.240
<v Speaker 6>me and my my un are friends.

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:51.359
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was talking, mad Ship, I was, I need

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:55.000
<v Speaker 6>you to be more specific about the numbers.

0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel like.

0:49:55.719 --> 0:49:56.839
<v Speaker 6>I was like, I feel like you paid a lot

0:49:56.840 --> 0:49:59.479
<v Speaker 6>of money for medical school and now you feel entire

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 6>like you feel you have to tell me these things.

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:05.319
<v Speaker 6>But let's be honest. This is bullshit. Anyway, we have

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:09.319
<v Speaker 6>some listeners who had some questions for duelas okay, and

0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:11.879
<v Speaker 6>she wants to know what are there? Well, you think

0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 6>you've covered the benefits of being a doula.

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:16.560
<v Speaker 5>The cost? What is your costs? Generally?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so everywhere is different. So I live in a city,

0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:23.600
<v Speaker 4>a town called Santa Clarita, which is a suburb of

0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:28.960
<v Speaker 4>La Right, So dula's with similar credentials and similar training

0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:31.040
<v Speaker 4>and similar experience to me that live like in the

0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 4>heart of La they charge twenty twenty five hundred, three

0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:36.960
<v Speaker 4>thousand or more sometimes, especially if they're like celebrity or

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:40.800
<v Speaker 4>high Adula is very very pricey. This little family suburb

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 4>town I live in a lot of those moms can't

0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:47.200
<v Speaker 4>afford that as much. So it depends. I have different packages.

0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:50.320
<v Speaker 4>But my services they go anywhere from like the fourteen

0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:52.919
<v Speaker 4>hundred to the seventeen hundred price range.

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.600
<v Speaker 3>And are you with them from the beginning of whatever

0:50:55.600 --> 0:51:00.359
<v Speaker 3>they hire and after care to or how does so?

0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:02.920
<v Speaker 4>I tell all of my clients hire me as soon

0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:05.400
<v Speaker 4>as you humanly possibly can. Even though I am a

0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:09.360
<v Speaker 4>birth doula. My special right, like we talked about, like,

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:11.480
<v Speaker 4>my approach is a lot of that inner game, right,

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:13.640
<v Speaker 4>we need more time together In the beginning, I have

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 4>books I want you to read. I have homework. I

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:18.200
<v Speaker 4>want you doing right. So I hire me as soon

0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 4>as you can. From the moment they hire me, they

0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:23.520
<v Speaker 4>have complete access to me. When they go into labor,

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 4>I meet them at their birth and I stay with

0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:28.640
<v Speaker 4>them until about an hour afterwards, make sure that their breastfeeding,

0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 4>while their skins to skin the placenta is delivered. Well,

0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:34.239
<v Speaker 4>they're healthy, they feel good. Then I kick everyone out

0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:36.480
<v Speaker 4>because it's time for them to bond as a family.

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.279
<v Speaker 4>You probably remember that with Alana's birth. After so long,

0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:42.120
<v Speaker 4>I was like, okay, there's twenty people learn everybody needs

0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:44.760
<v Speaker 4>to go right because it's time for them to bond.

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:47.160
<v Speaker 4>Then I do a postpartum visit to make sure that

0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:50.960
<v Speaker 4>everyone is doing well and nursing well and she's not struggling,

0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 4>everyone sleeping and eating things like that. But she still

0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:56.920
<v Speaker 4>has access to me. So she needs to send me

0:51:56.960 --> 0:52:00.560
<v Speaker 4>a text message or needs resources, or is having trouble

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:03.360
<v Speaker 4>with an issue, or wants to shoot me an email

0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:05.360
<v Speaker 4>or call me, she still has access to me.

0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Okay, what about how do you and the midwife collaborate,

0:52:09.719 --> 0:52:14.480
<v Speaker 3>like do you oftentimes are you usually like does a

0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 3>midwife oftentimes suggest you to her client or do sometimes

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:19.680
<v Speaker 3>it's totally separate, like you don't even know this midwife. Yeah,

0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 3>and you guys, but do you guys have communication together?

0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:24.279
<v Speaker 3>It is important that you guys have like a relationship

0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:26.359
<v Speaker 3>or like, you know, some sort of planned.

0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:29.640
<v Speaker 4>To Yeah, totally. So it kind of varies. So I

0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:31.880
<v Speaker 4>work a lot off of word of mouth, so I

0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 4>have fabulous marketing and I can get people finding me

0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 4>online all day long. But I found that those are

0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:41.160
<v Speaker 4>actually my least favorite births. I found that my favorite

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:43.759
<v Speaker 4>births have been through somebody who recommended them because we

0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:46.880
<v Speaker 4>like attracts like and we're similar minded, so there's a

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.280
<v Speaker 4>really good connection in bond there. So my clients, wherever

0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:52.480
<v Speaker 4>they're delivering, I go to them. So if they're delivering

0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:54.440
<v Speaker 4>at hospital, we go to the hospital. If they're delivering

0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:56.319
<v Speaker 4>it with a midwife, I go to them. So I'm

0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:59.400
<v Speaker 4>completely separate from their care provider. But there is a

0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:03.000
<v Speaker 4>lot oftors and midwives who do recommend my services because

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:06.000
<v Speaker 4>they see the difference in their patients when they show up.

0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:09.160
<v Speaker 4>There's you know, two or three midwives here in LA

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 4>that I work really closely with that are always referring

0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:13.800
<v Speaker 4>to me and they're fabulous, And a lot of doctors

0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:16.040
<v Speaker 4>that theaters even pass out my cards to their patients.

0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:17.400
<v Speaker 4>They're like, Hey, you want to be back, you want

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 4>a natural birth, you need to call this chick.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you find that if you because you might not

0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 3>have interaction with a midwife thear for doing a home

0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:29.000
<v Speaker 3>birth or whatever, that is there like some sort of

0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:31.400
<v Speaker 3>hierarchy between midwife and dula. Is there some sort of

0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:35.240
<v Speaker 3>like spoken like not all the time? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:38.200
<v Speaker 3>I know, but like I just feel like I don't know,

0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:41.239
<v Speaker 3>like you're walking into a situation where you maybe never

0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:44.600
<v Speaker 3>met the midwife. The midwife has been supporting the woman

0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:46.920
<v Speaker 3>this time, and then here comes someone else to support

0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:48.640
<v Speaker 3>and they're like, it can be weird.

0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:51.840
<v Speaker 4>No, it totally can. Know it totally who you're meeting.

0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:53.400
<v Speaker 3>You guys need to be on the same page. You know,

0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:56.680
<v Speaker 3>you don't know who you're wanting you too. And I

0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:59.040
<v Speaker 3>think sometimes it becomes a little it becomes personal. You're

0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:02.680
<v Speaker 3>you're assisting some through the birth and you almost get territorial.

0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 4>Of your yes, whatever. So newer dulas that I'll mentors

0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:13.200
<v Speaker 4>sometimes I encourage them to not do that, because it's

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:16.120
<v Speaker 4>really easy to get territorial. Right. So if I had

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:18.120
<v Speaker 4>never met your doctor before, and your doctor is saying

0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:19.680
<v Speaker 4>things to you that are not quite true and not

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 4>quite accurate, Let's say I was at your last birth,

0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:23.720
<v Speaker 4>I'd be a little pissed and I'd get a little territorial.

0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:25.839
<v Speaker 4>But that's where we really have to check ourselves as

0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:28.200
<v Speaker 4>dulas and be like, this is not my birth right.

0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm here to help her find her voice and what

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 4>she wants to do, not to save her. And there's

0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:35.239
<v Speaker 4>a lot of dulas that are still trying to save

0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:37.360
<v Speaker 4>people are trying to relive their own birth story, So

0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:39.479
<v Speaker 4>we have to be careful with that. But it's also

0:54:39.640 --> 0:54:42.480
<v Speaker 4>understanding the difference between the hat that adula wears and

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:45.000
<v Speaker 4>a care provider. So I'm not here to make medical

0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:47.160
<v Speaker 4>decisions for you, right, I'm not here to give you

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:51.720
<v Speaker 4>medical advice. I'm here to support you emotionally, physically, informationally,

0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:56.200
<v Speaker 4>and give you the facts, right, the evidence based, unbiased

0:54:56.239 --> 0:54:58.799
<v Speaker 4>information of what your real choices are, so you can

0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.879
<v Speaker 4>choose what's best for you. So when I'm approaching that way,

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:04.440
<v Speaker 4>it's gonna go a lot better most of the time regardless,

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.360
<v Speaker 4>but it is true sometimes. I've worked with one midwife

0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:11.360
<v Speaker 4>one time, and she's a fantastic midwife, but she actually

0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.799
<v Speaker 4>recommends she tells people not to get du lists, and

0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:16.799
<v Speaker 4>it's her own personal shit she needs to work through

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:19.960
<v Speaker 4>because she likes feeling like the safer. She loves that

0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:22.839
<v Speaker 4>feeling of id for this woman. And I did this

0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.959
<v Speaker 4>right totally. And my whole thing is like, I want

0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:29.080
<v Speaker 4>you to have such a beautiful birth. I want you

0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:30.920
<v Speaker 4>to take my coaching so well. I want you to

0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:33.160
<v Speaker 4>be so coachable and teachable, and I want to do

0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:35.320
<v Speaker 4>such a good job that you felt like you didn't

0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:38.160
<v Speaker 4>even need me, and I was just there holding space

0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:39.600
<v Speaker 4>for you, a fly on the wall in case an

0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:42.880
<v Speaker 4>emergency happened. And that's ideally my favorite birth. Honestly.

0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:45.160
<v Speaker 5>The woman is empowered and.

0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:47.239
<v Speaker 4>When I've coached her well enough that she just rocks

0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:48.759
<v Speaker 4>her birth and I'm just there to support you.

0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:55.600
<v Speaker 3>Know that. Do you recommend that if you are going

0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:57.920
<v Speaker 3>to go, if you are having a home birth or

0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:01.440
<v Speaker 3>birth center birth whatever with a mid way that and

0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:04.879
<v Speaker 3>you also want a doula, that you connect the two together.

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:06.759
<v Speaker 4>Like that you, Yeah, you can, but just don't be

0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:09.279
<v Speaker 4>too pushy with it. So I have had I had

0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:11.680
<v Speaker 4>a childbirth educator, which I'm one myself, but I had

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 4>a childbirth educator once she teaches just a hypno birth

0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:18.239
<v Speaker 4>thing and she was like, oh, you need to do that.

0:56:18.640 --> 0:56:23.480
<v Speaker 4>Just does hypno birthing. And it's so basically there's many

0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:28.239
<v Speaker 4>different types of labor rightiet they're supposed to be kind

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:31.480
<v Speaker 4>of quiet because typically you have your headphones on and

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:34.640
<v Speaker 4>you're and you're listening to the affirmations and the things

0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 4>that help you go inward and go to that meditative state.

0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:40.040
<v Speaker 4>It's basically how I would describe it in like pretty

0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:42.359
<v Speaker 4>simple terms. Even though there's lots of ways to do it.

0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:49.359
<v Speaker 6>I did this, and I really recommend researching, Like who

0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:51.239
<v Speaker 6>are you going to tap into? I think when I

0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:52.520
<v Speaker 6>realized I was in the hospital and I was getting

0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:54.239
<v Speaker 6>induced and I was like, okay, I started looking on

0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:57.160
<v Speaker 6>my phone and I end that moment, don'tload this app,

0:56:57.280 --> 0:56:59.560
<v Speaker 6>and literally I don't know why no one fucking turned

0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:02.440
<v Speaker 6>it off, but for hours I'd done like an Australian

0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:03.360
<v Speaker 6>and she's like.

0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:06.080
<v Speaker 5>You'll, baby is waiting to meet you.

0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 3>All.

0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:14.280
<v Speaker 8>Baby is calming down, y'all baby?

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:18.360
<v Speaker 3>Wait? Is that because I sent you that that expectful thing.

0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:20.480
<v Speaker 3>You're like, as long as their voice isn't fucking annoying.

0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:21.520
<v Speaker 3>It was like that meditated.

0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:24.920
<v Speaker 5>I can't forget it. I don't know why I was

0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:27.439
<v Speaker 5>too I don't know. I was too hypnotized to turn

0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:28.200
<v Speaker 5>that bitch.

0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:33.480
<v Speaker 6>Off, y'all baby, and not white to mate you that

0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:34.840
<v Speaker 6>is hlarious USh.

0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:38.440
<v Speaker 5>Y'all baby down. Afterwards, everyone's making fun of me, like

0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:39.080
<v Speaker 5>what the who.

0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:41.080
<v Speaker 4>Is this bitch? And you're like you let the bitch

0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:41.680
<v Speaker 4>keep playing?

0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.160
<v Speaker 5>And then I had like I had, like girl, I

0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:45.640
<v Speaker 5>printed out affirmations.

0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:48.680
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, bring my affirmations from the table, like, let them

0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:49.920
<v Speaker 6>table on the wall.

0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I love the.

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 6>Reading and listening and you'll, baby, my baby is coming

0:57:58.760 --> 0:57:59.880
<v Speaker 6>suddenly you're Australian.

0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:05.320
<v Speaker 4>Oh my, that's hilarious, my baby.

0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:08.880
<v Speaker 5>I'm sure the nurses were like, this bitch is crazy.

0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:10.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, I love it.

0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:12.520
<v Speaker 6>Sometimes I trying to dance the baby down and like,

0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:13.680
<v Speaker 6>I've never seen this method.

0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:18.760
<v Speaker 4>I was like, it's new, it is new, actually, oh

0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:22.000
<v Speaker 4>my god, oh my god, that's hilarious. You're okay, that

0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:23.120
<v Speaker 4>made my day?

0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:25.520
<v Speaker 5>Do your research and who you're gonna listen to for

0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:26.400
<v Speaker 5>eight hour streight.

0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:29.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, so that's I guess the point of a

0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:31.520
<v Speaker 4>huge part of hypno birthing would be to do it

0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:34.080
<v Speaker 4>prior to labor and be very familiar with it so

0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:35.920
<v Speaker 4>you know what you're doing when it happens and you

0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:40.640
<v Speaker 4>go into it. It's not some crazy Australian bitch. But

0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:44.480
<v Speaker 4>there's many different ways of you know, there's lamas, there's

0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:47.160
<v Speaker 4>the Bradley method, there is hypno babies, there's hypno birthing,

0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:50.320
<v Speaker 4>there's birthing from within, which is one of my favorite things.

0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:53.080
<v Speaker 4>There's so many different ways you can spend this right

0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:56.560
<v Speaker 4>And basically, to answer your question earlier, there was a

0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:59.080
<v Speaker 4>childbirth educator who was like, she's not an adequate to

0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:01.480
<v Speaker 4>love for you because he's not certified in my course.

0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 4>She needs to come pay eight hundred dollars and be

0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:06.080
<v Speaker 4>my assistant and be in my course. It was such

0:59:06.120 --> 0:59:08.240
<v Speaker 4>full shit. So I straight up called her up and

0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:12.840
<v Speaker 4>was like, so let's chat right. So it's hard, because yes,

0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:14.560
<v Speaker 4>you want to connect them as much as you can.

0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:16.960
<v Speaker 4>But the reason why I called her is because I

0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:19.080
<v Speaker 4>made it very clear to my clients well before they

0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:22.840
<v Speaker 4>took this course. Listen, I have done it all, I've

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:25.400
<v Speaker 4>learned about it all. The problem I have with just

0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:27.800
<v Speaker 4>doing hypno babies, and to any listeners out there that

0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:31.040
<v Speaker 4>had the most amazing experience with hypo babies, more power

0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:33.320
<v Speaker 4>to your sister. I'm not hating. I'm so happy. I'm

0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:36.680
<v Speaker 4>so happy for you. But not everyone has that experience.

0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:37.040
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:40.320
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes that doesn't work, or it's some crazy Australian biship

0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:43.200
<v Speaker 4>pisses you off. Right, it doesn't work all the time.

0:59:43.480 --> 0:59:46.720
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes what you need is very different. Sometimes you need silence,

0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:49.840
<v Speaker 4>some times you need visualization. Everyone's different. So I like

0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:52.560
<v Speaker 4>to pull out all of the tools and see what

0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.600
<v Speaker 4>works best for you in that moment and what you need.

0:59:55.760 --> 0:59:55.960
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:59:56.600 --> 0:59:59.240
<v Speaker 4>So they were very pushy about, like she wants you

0:59:59.280 --> 1:00:00.880
<v Speaker 4>to take her course. So I finally called her up

1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:02.600
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, listen, this is all my experience

1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:05.800
<v Speaker 4>I've had. I've read a lot in hypno birth, I've

1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:08.040
<v Speaker 4>done a lot, I've experienced a lot of hypno birth,

1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:10.600
<v Speaker 4>and I don't believe it's the only way. If my

1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:12.640
<v Speaker 4>clients want to go this route, that's awesome, but I

1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:15.400
<v Speaker 4>don't have time. I'm not coming to take your course.

1:00:15.440 --> 1:00:17.760
<v Speaker 4>I flat out told her I was really and.

1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:21.640
<v Speaker 6>I appreciate you suggesting a third party that I need

1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:23.080
<v Speaker 6>to take your goddamn course. Right.

1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:25.520
<v Speaker 4>It was really shitty the way she handled it, unfortunately,

1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:27.120
<v Speaker 4>but it is what it is. Hopefully she's changed your

1:00:27.120 --> 1:00:28.160
<v Speaker 4>ways a little bit since then.

1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:31.680
<v Speaker 3>To go off of that, as a duela, have you

1:00:31.720 --> 1:00:36.280
<v Speaker 3>ever had to pass like step away from an unexpected

1:00:36.360 --> 1:00:39.880
<v Speaker 3>mom because you guys were not vibing and like just

1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:41.800
<v Speaker 3>because I know, it's just a sacred space that you

1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:42.400
<v Speaker 3>hold together.

1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:43.360
<v Speaker 4>It's so sacred.

1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So like, how does are you spicky about your client?

1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:51.800
<v Speaker 4>I also interview my clients, okay, and I tell all

1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:53.560
<v Speaker 4>of them. Alana will tell you this. I tell all

1:00:53.600 --> 1:00:55.840
<v Speaker 4>of them, Okay, you're going to go interview one or

1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:59.760
<v Speaker 4>two or maybe three other duelists, not ten or twelve,

1:00:59.760 --> 1:01:01.720
<v Speaker 4>because they're all gonna mess together and you're gonna forget him.

1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:04.120
<v Speaker 4>I've had clients do that, just one or two and

1:01:04.160 --> 1:01:06.160
<v Speaker 4>see of you vibe with and a lot of times

1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:07.840
<v Speaker 4>like oh no, but we love you. I'm like, just

1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:10.520
<v Speaker 4>go see because what if you loved somebody more. Two

1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:13.360
<v Speaker 4>times in eight and a half years, I've had a

1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:15.800
<v Speaker 4>mom come back and be like, oh, my God, I

1:01:15.800 --> 1:01:17.520
<v Speaker 4>feel like I'm breaking up with the love of my

1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:20.200
<v Speaker 4>life because I love you so much. But you were

1:01:20.280 --> 1:01:22.760
<v Speaker 4>right like this other person is like my soulmate. I'm like,

1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:25.360
<v Speaker 4>it's all good, sister like that, So you should be

1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:28.520
<v Speaker 4>with like we're having a baby. This is serious stuff.

1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:30.080
<v Speaker 4>So that's happened twice.

1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:35.320
<v Speaker 6>That's how I am with my last clients. We're not

1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:36.520
<v Speaker 6>gonna have this is not gonna work.

1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:40.240
<v Speaker 4>It's not working. So I have had that. I've had

1:01:40.280 --> 1:01:45.360
<v Speaker 4>two berths where one of them I literally had to

1:01:45.440 --> 1:01:48.600
<v Speaker 4>kick her husband out of the room and he I

1:01:48.680 --> 1:01:50.840
<v Speaker 4>still worry. She was on my mind yesterday when I

1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:52.360
<v Speaker 4>was on a walk, and I haven't seen her in years.

1:01:52.440 --> 1:01:54.560
<v Speaker 4>I still worry about her to this day. He's not

1:01:54.600 --> 1:01:57.480
<v Speaker 4>a healthy man, and I fear for her and that

1:01:57.560 --> 1:02:00.760
<v Speaker 4>whole family. He knew how and it was for her

1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:02.600
<v Speaker 4>to do everything natural, and as soon as he saw

1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:04.320
<v Speaker 4>her in pain, he just started screaming at both of

1:02:04.400 --> 1:02:06.880
<v Speaker 4>us as she needs to have a SA section. It

1:02:06.920 --> 1:02:09.240
<v Speaker 4>was very traumatizing for her. I had to kick him out.

1:02:09.360 --> 1:02:11.480
<v Speaker 4>Once he left, she was fine and he came back

1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:14.440
<v Speaker 4>way too soon. He's just very, very unhealthy man who

1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:15.520
<v Speaker 4>needs to do a lot of work.

1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:15.920
<v Speaker 8>You know.

1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:17.440
<v Speaker 4>It's not evil man, it's not about man. He just

1:02:17.440 --> 1:02:20.320
<v Speaker 4>needs a lot of help, you know. And then their

1:02:20.400 --> 1:02:23.360
<v Speaker 4>second time around, she came back and she was like, hey,

1:02:23.440 --> 1:02:27.000
<v Speaker 4>your prices have gone up significantly since our first birth

1:02:27.000 --> 1:02:28.480
<v Speaker 4>with you. And I was like, well, that's because I

1:02:28.520 --> 1:02:30.800
<v Speaker 4>was a newer Duela. I was only charging like, I

1:02:30.840 --> 1:02:32.720
<v Speaker 4>think a thousand bucks at the time, and I'd given

1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:34.960
<v Speaker 4>them a discount and they'd gone up a lot. She's like,

1:02:35.000 --> 1:02:37.440
<v Speaker 4>they're almost double the price, which they weren't, and she

1:02:37.520 --> 1:02:39.400
<v Speaker 4>was trying to get me to come down really really low,

1:02:39.440 --> 1:02:41.560
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, I physically can't. I have to

1:02:41.640 --> 1:02:43.440
<v Speaker 4>run a business and I can only take so many

1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:46.760
<v Speaker 4>clients per month, right, I don't like your husband and

1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:48.120
<v Speaker 4>I you know. And I went to one of my

1:02:48.160 --> 1:02:49.760
<v Speaker 4>mentors at the time and I'm like, I don't know

1:02:49.800 --> 1:02:51.840
<v Speaker 4>what to do because I don't want to be at

1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:53.880
<v Speaker 4>that berth. But I'm fearful for her if I'm not.

1:02:54.560 --> 1:02:56.320
<v Speaker 4>I had to really think about it and for a

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<v Speaker 4>long time for her. Yes, yes, And I had in

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<v Speaker 4>it for a really long time, and I just gave

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<v Speaker 4>it up to God in the universe, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>what is meant to me is going to be. And

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<v Speaker 4>I told her this is the bottom line, this is

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<v Speaker 4>what I can come down to, and if you can't,

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<v Speaker 4>that's okay. I wish she the most beautiful birth. Contacts

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<v Speaker 4>me like a month later and she's like, we found

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<v Speaker 4>a different Duela. Thank you so much, we love you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, no problem getting email from her a year

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<v Speaker 4>and a half later. She had a terrible, horrific birth experience.

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<v Speaker 4>She's having a really hard time with her husband, and

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<v Speaker 4>she didn't love her doula, and she just she poured

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<v Speaker 4>out in that email. I fucking hated my birth. I

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<v Speaker 4>hated my Duela, I hated everything. I wish you were there.

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<v Speaker 4>I miss you. I want you in my life. She

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<v Speaker 4>really poured out, and I felt awful, but I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>I knew that I wasn't supposed to be there because

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<v Speaker 4>I do get protective and I'm sure they're like, I

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<v Speaker 4>had to kick him out of the first birth. I

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<v Speaker 4>can't imagine what I would have had to have done

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<v Speaker 4>the second time. So I have had a few situations

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<v Speaker 4>like that. I have. On one occasion, I saw a

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<v Speaker 4>doctor he should literally be in jail for the way

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<v Speaker 4>he physically abused this woman. Oh my god, it was

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<v Speaker 4>fucking horrible. Literally, that man should be hospital like jailed,

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<v Speaker 4>like imprisoned. He's it was terrible. He physically abused her.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I've seen that, and I had to really

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<v Speaker 4>step away and make that choice, Like do I leave

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<v Speaker 4>this room because I can't handle this anymore. But I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not supposed to say anything right, like I can get

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<v Speaker 4>big trouble. I'm not supposed to speak on my client's

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<v Speaker 4>behalf right, And there was nobody else there with her,

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<v Speaker 4>so I'm like looking at the nurses and I'm telling

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<v Speaker 4>her to speak up for herself, and I'm doing the

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<v Speaker 4>best I can. You know, that was another awful situation, unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 4>But other than that, out of all the other clients

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<v Speaker 4>I've had, like, those are my worst times where I've

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<v Speaker 4>had to decide if this was something I should be

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<v Speaker 4>a part of or not.

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<v Speaker 3>I have one other question. Yeah, but we could go

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<v Speaker 3>all day and I'm like, I'm like, all the questions

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<v Speaker 3>are flowing. Have you ever been present for a stillbirth?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, thank god, I have it going wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>And like, how do how do you support after.

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<v Speaker 4>That things going wrong? Yes, I've been a part of

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<v Speaker 4>that that's really hard as a doula, even for someone

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<v Speaker 4>like me who will very proudly say I have a

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<v Speaker 4>gift for it. I have a gift for when everything

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<v Speaker 4>else is going wrong, I'm the calmest person in the room.

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<v Speaker 4>So even then for me, there's it's difficult. The worst

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<v Speaker 4>I can come that comes up to mine right now

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<v Speaker 4>is I had a mom who baby was not still born,

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<v Speaker 4>but baby was completely not responsive at all, no breathing,

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<v Speaker 4>no nothing. We called nine one one. It was a

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<v Speaker 4>home birth, and not to scare people from home birth,

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<v Speaker 4>because we are trained. Midwives are trained equally, if not

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<v Speaker 4>in some cases better to handle like a newborn resuscitation

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<v Speaker 4>better than the hospital is even right, so we call

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<v Speaker 4>nine one one. They started resuscitation on the baby. And

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<v Speaker 4>the reason why this one was so hard for me

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<v Speaker 4>was because the parents were good friends of mine, longtime

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<v Speaker 4>good friends. I mean, it was very very personal, and

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<v Speaker 4>I knew something was off during the labor because they

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to birth. I have to be mindful of what

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<v Speaker 4>I say right now because legally there's only so many

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<v Speaker 4>things I could say. But where they wanted to birth

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<v Speaker 4>that they were unable to outside of the home, so

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<v Speaker 4>they ended up at the apartment they were living at,

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<v Speaker 4>and she felt very uncomfortable and unsafe there. She felt

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<v Speaker 4>like her neighbors could hear her. It wasn't the right

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<v Speaker 4>space for her. So long story short, baby is completely

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<v Speaker 4>non responsive, called nine one one full resuscitation, and I

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<v Speaker 4>just looked at mom and dad and dad was losing it,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just said, you, guys, the only thing you

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<v Speaker 4>can do right now is you need to talk to

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<v Speaker 4>your baby, because that baby needs a reason to live

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<v Speaker 4>right now. That baby needs to hear mom and dad

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<v Speaker 4>and know that there's something waiting for me. So they

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<v Speaker 4>started singing Wheels on the bus, which they they used

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<v Speaker 4>to read the Wheels on the Bus book. Yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm getting hill. And they used to read Wheels on

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<v Speaker 4>the Bus book to their baby when she was in womb.

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<v Speaker 4>And oh god, chills everywhere in my legs. And they

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<v Speaker 4>started singing wheels on the bus and I'm like, keep going,

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<v Speaker 4>keep going. And what felt like, you know, twenty thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 4>It was actually three minutes, which is a long time.

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<v Speaker 4>But baby started screaming. Okay, before the paramedics or anyone

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<v Speaker 4>got there. Babies find baby screaming and afterwards, Mom was

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<v Speaker 4>okay because her baby was on her chest and she's like,

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<v Speaker 4>my baby is here. So she was fine because all

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<v Speaker 4>she needed was that baby. But for Dad, Dad's like

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<v Speaker 4>watching the love of his life and his baby. He

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<v Speaker 4>just experienced. He was not well. He was not well.

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<v Speaker 4>So that was me again wanting to lose my own shit,

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<v Speaker 4>but not in taking Dad to the corner and doing

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<v Speaker 4>some serious duel of work. And I'm like, listen, paramedics

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<v Speaker 4>are going to be here in a minute. This is

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<v Speaker 4>what's going to happen. These are the steps, this is

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<v Speaker 4>the process. Legally, technically, baby mom don't have to go

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<v Speaker 4>to the hospital after that because they're all totally fine.

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<v Speaker 4>But we recommended in that specific situation for specific reasons

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<v Speaker 4>like baconium and things like that, that we wanted baby

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<v Speaker 4>to be seen at the hospital anyways, So we knew

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<v Speaker 4>they were going to go to the hospital and that

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<v Speaker 4>I just just preparing him for what's going to happen,

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<v Speaker 4>because it is so rare that something like this happens. However,

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<v Speaker 4>how do you think the medical staff is going to

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<v Speaker 4>treat them when they get there with their baby and

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<v Speaker 4>tell them.

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<v Speaker 3>They got a home burn?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Because total totally it's going to be awful. And here's

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<v Speaker 4>the thing. No, everything's totally fine. And here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I have been a part of a lot of transports.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of them were medically necessary, some of them were

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<v Speaker 4>Mom just needed an epidirl and she's been laboring for

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<v Speaker 4>three days, and the poor they needed a break. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>we're not opposed to, Hey, mom needs to go to

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<v Speaker 4>the hospital's go hospital, right. So I've been a part

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<v Speaker 4>of a lot of transports, and there have been times

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<v Speaker 4>where the paramedics have shown up and they know the midwife,

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<v Speaker 4>she's their midwife right for their babies, or they know me,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm their Dulan. They're like, hey, and they're so loving

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<v Speaker 4>and so awesome. And we get there and we know

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<v Speaker 4>those doctors and nurses and they're super receptive. But that

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<v Speaker 4>is not always the case. There are many places all

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<v Speaker 4>over the country that it's exactly what you guys said.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of fear, it's a lot of bullshit,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just I just prepped him for the worst

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<v Speaker 4>to come. And they did get treated really bad when

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<v Speaker 4>they first got there.

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<v Speaker 6>But and just for the record, because I have watched

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of birds online, if you watched like animals birds,

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<v Speaker 6>Sometimes the baby's laying there for a minute or two.

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<v Speaker 5>Three minutes.

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<v Speaker 4>And yes, sometimes I know this.

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<v Speaker 6>Sounds crazy, that like the primal instinct for the mom

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<v Speaker 6>the animals like never panic.

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<v Speaker 5>They're just like I've watched an elephant.

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<v Speaker 4>Just give them a little bit. Yeah, they're just letting

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<v Speaker 4>them know, like, hey, you need to live now. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's a mom and dad were doing when they're singing.

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<v Speaker 4>They're just letting them know.

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<v Speaker 5>Hate.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you recognize this voice, give you a reason,

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<v Speaker 4>let's go, because it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Literally even like I read about like rubbing on the spine,

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<v Speaker 6>like there's it's literally, you guys in transition that's happening.

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<v Speaker 5>A soul is encompassing a vessel y. So sometimes they're

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<v Speaker 5>like where am I coming? I don't want to go.

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<v Speaker 6>I hate that place again again jumps it off as.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, sometimes I need a minute. But for

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<v Speaker 4>the record, Jamila, just so you know, that same family

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<v Speaker 4>as planning baby number two right now, years and years later,

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<v Speaker 4>they are planning a home birth, and they said they

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<v Speaker 4>would not have changed a single thing the way that

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<v Speaker 4>they did it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's amazing, not a single thing. That must feel so

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<v Speaker 3>good for you too in your work. Well, thank you,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for what you do. I'm glad I be

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<v Speaker 3>able to talk to you, especially because I do want

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<v Speaker 3>to have a kid at some point, Like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to know that. I like, I feel thank god

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<v Speaker 3>now I have more support I have, you know this podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a community of women that we listen to

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<v Speaker 3>that I feel like are my friends that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we just and I get to speak to people like

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<v Speaker 3>you where I feel supported. You know, So this time around,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter who baby, daddy, family, ain't nothing penetrating what

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<v Speaker 3>the fuck.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you have to say fuck it and go with

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<v Speaker 3>your some conversations.

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<v Speaker 6>You got to let people know I'm not it's not

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<v Speaker 6>a conversation. It's not up for discussion. I've made my

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<v Speaker 6>decision and this is me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not discussing it.

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<v Speaker 3>And whether that's a hospital, whether that's home birth, whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it is.

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<v Speaker 6>Mom in law, mama, dad and sister brother, like, it's

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<v Speaker 6>not a discussion.

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<v Speaker 4>Only that's so true.

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<v Speaker 6>True, respect my decision. It's my birth, it's my experience.

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<v Speaker 6>Even Daddy and.

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<v Speaker 5>Have a birth plan, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to be so honoring in that way.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, honor yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>And with that said, I know you have kind, you

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<v Speaker 3>have a read you have the so female network that

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<v Speaker 3>you have resources for your listeners to tap into if

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<v Speaker 3>they're considering whatever they're considering and they need support. So

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<v Speaker 3>let us absolutely find you and all your amazing work.

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<v Speaker 4>you want a hospital birth, it doesn't matter what you're

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<v Speaker 4>looking for. We have a community that is a membership site.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a ton of free resources on there. It's so

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<v Speaker 4>Dashed female dot com. And I have a book that's

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>So is that the best place for them to find you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know. So website is great, so dash

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you so much for coming.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having me so fun to connect with us.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, crying in your arms, I'm so proud, but hey,

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<v Speaker 4>this was only one time. Girl. At some point I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to have you crying in my arms.

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<v Speaker 5>This is probably true. Well, we'll catch you guys later.

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<v Speaker 6>Also, we're going to do a meet up at Hollywood

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<v Speaker 6>Cemetery on August tenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Tie.

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<v Speaker 3>How beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nothing more than two way a time storm. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never been in love like this before. Now let me

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<v Speaker 2>pray to keep you from the parables that will surely

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<v Speaker 2>come to life for you, my friends, has just beyond.

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<v Speaker 8>And I thank you for choosing me to come through

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<v Speaker 8>to life to be a beautiful reflection of his grades.

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<v Speaker 8>See I know how to gain so great is only

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