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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the cycle.

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Speaker 2: I am Ryan Warmley, joined as always by Mike may Or.

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Speaker 2: We are talking fantasy baseball. I know this is a

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Speaker 2: week of dynasty, rookie drafts, and football. Obviously, you know

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Speaker 2: the fallout from the NFL Draft, Kentucky Derby's coming up,

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Speaker 2: so a lot of stuff going on. But it is

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Speaker 2: still the harder fantasy baseball season. So we are still

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Speaker 2: here to round the bases with everybody, talk about some

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Speaker 2: macro level topics. See what's been on our minds in

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Speaker 2: regards to the baseball season as we enter the first

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Speaker 2: week of May here still obviously very early in the season. Mayor,

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Speaker 2: how are you doing? We were talking before the episode.

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Speaker 2: Not a ton of baseball watched in the last week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been watching a lot of numbers and reading

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Speaker 3: a lot of data, But in terms of actually watching baseball,

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Speaker 3: it's been a lot of catching whatever highlights I can,

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Speaker 3: doing whatever research I can, and a lot of NFL

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Speaker 3: Draft and Kentucky Derby and stuff on my ad.

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Speaker 2: Just one of those weeks, but we still got plenty

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Speaker 2: of baseball stuff that we wanted to talk about.

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Speaker 1: At the very least, no guest week.

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Speaker 2: We're hoping to have guests next week, so we'll see

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Speaker 2: if we can get that back next week. This week

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Speaker 2: just the two of us, so hopefully a bit shorter

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Speaker 2: of an episode.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive right in with Round the Bases up first.

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Speaker 2: Mike Trout obviously, a couple of days ago a somewhat surprising,

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Speaker 2: you know, revelation that he was gonna have surgery due

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Speaker 2: to an issue with his knee. So this, I guess

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't say it's that surprising because it's Mike Trout,

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Speaker 2: and it's telling that we might have predicted at the

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Speaker 2: beginning of the season and even into the season, but

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Speaker 2: surprising in that kind of came out of nowhere. So

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Speaker 2: obviously the timeline for when he'll be back is still

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Speaker 2: someone in the air. Was playing amazingly well, was running again.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was tied for the lead league in homers.

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Speaker 2: Just looked really like vintage Mike Trout, and it was

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Speaker 2: really really fun to watch. And there were a lot

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Speaker 2: of folks who maybe had a bit of fomo for

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Speaker 2: having not drafted him, and now they're not feeling that

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Speaker 2: way anymore. So, you know, when you first saw the

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Speaker 2: Trout surgery, you know what crossed your mind.

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Speaker 3: Well, I immediately thought, like, especially because of everything we

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Speaker 3: just talked about, how busy we've been, just I just thought,

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Speaker 3: what have I missed? Like when did this happen? Why

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Speaker 3: does he need knee surgery? All of a sudden I

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Speaker 3: didn't realize he like got hurt, and then all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, now he has a tournamentiscus. The only good

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Speaker 3: thing there so far is he wasn't put on the

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Speaker 3: sixty day IL. Now. It was like ominous when they

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Speaker 3: when the Angels first came out and said they hoped

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Speaker 3: he would return this season, which is always just a

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Speaker 3: brutal initial timeline to receive after an injury. But at

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Speaker 3: least they didn't initially, you know, they didn't throw him

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Speaker 3: right on that sixty day IL. He's on the ten

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Speaker 3: day injured list. We still, like you said, don't have

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Speaker 3: a ton information about you know how long this is

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Speaker 3: going to take. You know, from everything I understand, like

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Speaker 3: the range of outcomes for recovering from him in this

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Speaker 3: case is like pretty big. So it's almost like it

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Speaker 3: could be like a month, but it could be like

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Speaker 3: four months. We kind of don't really know right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough and you know, not all the like

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Speaker 2: bad of all Dad was that encouraging from him this year?

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Speaker 2: Like his hard hit rate was way down, He's only

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Speaker 2: batting two twenty, but the loge angle was up. Obviously

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Speaker 2: he was hitting home runs. And again just that he

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Speaker 2: was running again was so exciting. He already had six

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Speaker 2: Let's let's say, like, I don't know, six to eight weeks,

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Speaker 2: just I'm throwing out a timeline. There's I have no

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Speaker 2: six to eight weeks he's back, like you know, late June.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to be ranking him based on the

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Speaker 2: player we saw in April at that point rest of

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Speaker 2: the injuries that it's like, how can you justify any

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Speaker 3: I so kind of kind of two size one. You're burnt,

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Speaker 3: and so you don't want to I mean, but like

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Speaker 3: still being helpful. But also you have to wonder when

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Speaker 3: five years. There's no way he's going to come back

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Speaker 3: that into account too. I was actually surprised he was

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Speaker 3: because I thought it was wrong. I was like, I

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Speaker 2: It's been a lot more just power speed than it's

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Speaker 2: been so great and again so vintage Strout that it's

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Speaker 2: been hard to uh, hard to complain about that. You know,

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Speaker 2: this is a conversation for a longer day, maybe like

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Speaker 2: an off season episode if we're lucky enough to be

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Speaker 1: In the winter.

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Speaker 2: But you know, just watching him, like he was emotional

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Speaker 2: when he was talking with reporters, just it's hard not

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Speaker 2: to think of him as one of the great what

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Speaker 2: ifs if he could stay healthy. I mean, we're we're

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Speaker 2: he's gonna have five, maybe six hundred home runs and

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Speaker 2: eight hundred. You know, I think I saw somebody tweet

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Speaker 2: somebody to that same effect. But it's like truly pacing

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Speaker 2: to have been one of the five or ten greatest

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Speaker 2: be a walk in Hall of Famer who's going to

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Speaker 2: he's eligible. But it's it's hard, it's hard to imagine.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's similar to like the back half of

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Speaker 2: Griffy's career. I saw that comparison made to and just

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Speaker 2: I don't really have a question for you in that regards,

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Speaker 2: but just you know, the Hall of Fame stuff and

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Speaker 2: his legacy really and even setting aside like the fact

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Speaker 2: that he never gets to play the postseason because the

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Speaker 2: team's always bad.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say, is that we've been robbed,

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Speaker 3: like on both fens too, We've been robbed of the injuries,

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Speaker 3: and we robbed in the postseason. And he's just like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I remember talking to my friends five years

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Speaker 2: Like what I used to say to people is Mike

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Speaker 2: Trout is the best person at playing baseball who has

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Speaker 2: we always kind of like people get better at stuff

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Speaker 2: like if you drop Mike Trout back in the nineteen hundreds,

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Speaker 2: he's hitting two thousand home runs right, Like, it's you know,

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Speaker 2: we get better over time, we get smarter over time,

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Speaker 2: we know understand our bodies and the sport better, like

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Speaker 2: anybody was the best person at playing baseball. Shy of

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Speaker 2: Barry Bonds when he's on steroids, who's ever lived?

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Speaker 3: So alleged?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I you know, let's wet. We don't need to

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Speaker 3: Next tune in next week for the Barry Bonds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would love an off season Barry Bonds

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Speaker 2: just deep dive. Any entire episode could be us just

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Speaker 2: reading the most hilarious stats like because there are you know,

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Speaker 2: at least an hour's worth of them. Let's go to

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Speaker 2: our next topic here, and speaking of outfielders on the

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Speaker 2: Angels who have burnt us before, Joe Adele has been

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Speaker 2: really hot, Lily, to let everyone know what the topic is,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna sort of ask new and improved or fool's gold,

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Speaker 2: and we're gona do one hitter and one pitcher.

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Speaker 1: Of the hitter that mayor wanted.

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Speaker 2: To talk about is Joe Adele, who has been on

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Speaker 2: fire lately, has been really good this season. Four home runs,

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Speaker 2: five stolen bases. He's also giving you a bit of

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Speaker 1: He has never really been able to do it at

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Speaker 2: Though he has ranged from disappointing to more often than

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Speaker 1: So what say you?

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Speaker 2: Is he new and improved this year and you know,

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Speaker 3: First of what a segue about you, but just a

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Speaker 3: classic tying two topics together, well done?

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Speaker 1: Why they pay me the bucks?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a hard time with this one just

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Speaker 3: because of what you said. We've been burned so many times.

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Speaker 3: But he does look really good. And it's interesting to

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Speaker 1: He said, multiple seasons over forty percent strikeout.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and his and his you know, those were

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Speaker 3: He's got the four home runs, five sole bases, so

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Speaker 3: his swinging strike percentage. That's a career well right now.

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Speaker 3: So that's a good sign for him. And you know,

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Speaker 3: is jo Adell, who has burned us four times before,

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Speaker 3: multiple call ups, probably more than four times, spending on

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Speaker 2: I with his let me just quickly say, with his athleticism, like,

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Speaker 2: we don't need the strikeout rate to be elite. We

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Speaker 2: just need it to not be an outlier so bad.

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Speaker 2: So even though it's still bad, you're talking about again,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a small sample size, but you know,

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Speaker 2: Let's go to our picture here, Eric Fetti, And you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm spending fab on him to pick him

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Speaker 3: His fIF is four. The other numbers are around three

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Speaker 2: By the way, this is nothing to do with Eric Fetty.

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Speaker 3: I think we can talk about it first, because what

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Speaker 3: Oh look at you Whatnotledge?

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Speaker 3: to be his third season in the majors, even though

435
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Speaker 3: last year he only made seven starts. We saw the

436
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,920
Speaker 3: potential in twenty twenty two when he had a three

437
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Speaker 3: point six six ERA, one hundred and thirty one strikeouts

438
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 3: and one hundred and three innings, and so that's whenever

439
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 3: won last year was saying this is the Nickelodollo year,

440
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,399
Speaker 3: this is going to be the Nickelodola breakout. And of

441
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,479
Speaker 3: course we only got seven starts out of him, but

442
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,760
Speaker 3: now only four starts, but we've got twenty four innings,

443
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 3: thirty one strikeouts, only six walks in a one point

444
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 3: eight eighty ARRA and and he's looking really really good.

445
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Speaker 3: He just struck out eleven batters. That's why he's really

446
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Speaker 3: kind of jumping in rankings. He just struck out eleven

447
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,919
Speaker 3: batters ever seven things in his last start, and that

448
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 3: from his first start ten strikeouts, but only ten strikeouts

449
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,199
Speaker 3: combined and the two starts in between. But you know,

450
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 3: you're just seeing the stuff there, and that's why everyone's

451
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Speaker 3: excited about this breakout. Jack Flaherty looks really good, looks

452
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 3: like he's kind of back. You know, he's kind of

453
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Speaker 3: the veteran who has dealt with his own injuries, some

454
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Speaker 3: shoulder stuff. He's kind of just not been the same

455
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Speaker 3: guy for really three of the last four years. And

456
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Speaker 3: if you look at, you know, kind of his like career,

457
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Speaker 3: you thought, if you just like asked me about like

458
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Speaker 3: Jack Flaherty, like off the top of my head, I

459
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Speaker 3: would have guessed, you have like three or four like

460
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Speaker 3: great years as like kind of like an ace and

461
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 3: then has I kind of fallen on hard times. But

462
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 3: he's throughout his career have been all over the place

463
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Speaker 3: a little bit. The shortened COVID year he wasn't great.

464
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Speaker 3: Twenty nineteen he was really good despite the despite the

465
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,959
Speaker 3: juice balls, two hundred and thirty one strikeouts that year,

466
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Speaker 3: twenty two, twenty twenty three, and ERA between four and five,

467
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 3: four point two five and then four point nine nine,

468
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Speaker 3: and he's just kind of like not ever been that

469
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 3: ace again. But and right now his ERA is still four,

470
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Speaker 3: but he has fifty strikeouts of our thirty six innings,

471
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Speaker 3: and all of his expected numbers are much lower than four.

472
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Speaker 3: And so you're really seeing kind of what he can

473
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Speaker 3: be if he really is bouncing back, and if he

474
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Speaker 3: can stay healthy, especially if he can continue all the

475
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Speaker 3: revenge starts against the Cardinals, that would be perfect rest

476
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Speaker 3: of season. If he could just have like thirty more

477
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 3: starts against the Cardinals, that would be great. And then

478
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Speaker 3: Blake Snell is just Blake Snell. He's he's hurt. He

479
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 3: just came came off that incredible year, but before that

480
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 3: was you know, really good, slash great, but also you

481
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 3: could always see like he should be better than he was,

482
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Speaker 3: and now he's not. You know, he started this season late.

483
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Speaker 3: When we did see him, he wasn't very good, and

484
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Speaker 3: now he's hurt, and you kind of have to rank

485
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 3: him in a certain way just because you know what

486
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Speaker 3: he did last season. But it's also like these are

487
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,239
Speaker 3: three kind of pictures going in different directions that are

488
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Speaker 3: all going to be around the same center point of rankings,

489
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Speaker 3: and it's it's you know, interesting comparisons. I talked too

490
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Speaker 3: way too long, right there. You should have got.

491
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Speaker 1: It's all right. One interesting note on flarity.

492
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Speaker 2: Alex fast Pictureless, who's you know, Front of the Show,

493
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Speaker 2: tweeted out he has the you know the CSW percentage

494
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Speaker 2: the called strikes with with percentage for pictures, which is

495
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Speaker 2: a stat that I quite enjoy following and kind of

496
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Speaker 2: seeing who's ranking this leaderboards. April's CSW leader was Jack

497
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: Flaherty thirty seven point seven percent. Next highest was Toreik

498
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Speaker 2: Scooball at thirty three point seven percent, so a sizeable gap.

499
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Speaker 1: In fact, excuse me, the gap between.

500
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 2: Flarity at one and Scooball at two is bigger than

501
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: the gap between Scooball at two and Corbyn Burns at ten.

502
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Speaker 2: So Flarerty had an excellent month of April. Now that

503
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: is I'm assuming largely helped by his most recent you know,

504
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 2: his final start in April when he struck out fourteen

505
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: guys in six and two thirds innings. Obviously that goes

506
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 2: a long way. Bufflarity has been has been very good.

507
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: I actually picked him up early in a league and

508
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 2: then I ended up dropping him after his you know,

509
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 2: kind of bad I was like, oh, you know, I'll

510
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: take a chance, and then oh, I didn't do so well,

511
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 2: you know against the athletics, and then it was like,

512
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: didn't do that, you know that That was like, I

513
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: don't know the schedule coming up, so I dropped him.

514
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 2: And of course now he's really good again, so that

515
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: panned out well. I will tell you for me, in

516
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Speaker 2: terms of ranking these guys philosophically, even if you take

517
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Speaker 2: the names away and just described these pictures, I am

518
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: always leaning towards the breakout over the bounce back or

519
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: the guy who's disappointed. Just philosophically with pitching especially, that's

520
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: where I'm drawn. I also really like what we've seen

521
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Speaker 2: out of Lodolo specifically, so he would be my number

522
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Speaker 2: one guy of these three, not buy a wide margin,

523
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: but by a clear margin, like he is definitively the

524
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Speaker 2: one I would go with. It's tougher for me because

525
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: I've been burned by Flarity multiple times in the past,

526
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Speaker 2: both with injuries and underperforming. You know, He's not on

527
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: the same level as like Joe Adell in terms of

528
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: getting burned by but like, like I don't I don't

529
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 2: need alo from getting burned by flarherity, but like I

530
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 2: do maybe want to not go out in the sun

531
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Speaker 2: for a couple of days. But having said that, like

532
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: if a guy's been really bad and is hurt and

533
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: is the oldest picture on this list, I'm probably always

534
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 2: gonna rank that person last. So I don't know if

535
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Speaker 2: that's kind of the chalky answer or not, I'm curious

536
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: how you have it. And again, Snell was like amazing

537
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: last year, so I'm not like entirely writing him off.

538
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 2: I wouldn't like go dropping him off your roster or anything,

539
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: but I'm probably gonna go Lodolo, then Flaherty, then Snell.

540
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Speaker 2: Would you disagree or go with the same order.

541
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Speaker 3: That's what I have, That's what I have them. I

542
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Speaker 3: debated putting Flarerty ahead of Lodolo, mostly because when I'm

543
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 3: thinking about ranking something about rest of the season rankings,

544
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Speaker 3: and within his next two starts, Nicolodola will have thrown

545
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: more innings and he threw last year, And so that's

546
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 3: when I started to get nervous about how much value

547
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Speaker 3: we're going to get the rest of the season, especially

548
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Speaker 3: if you're in someone who's in a head to head league,

549
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: because depending on what they do here, you're not going

550
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: to have him in you're in your head to head playoffs,

551
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 3: which is something they consider.

552
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Speaker 2: You know that that's a great point, And to be

553
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: perfectly honest, I've just been thinking about evaluating the pictures.

554
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: I didn't really think about it from that perspective. I

555
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 2: think that's a really valid point and to kind of

556
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Speaker 2: take a step back and maybe you know, if you're

557
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: in you know, not like some kind of keeper format

558
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: where you want him long term, maybe it's a reason

559
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: to consider selling on Lodolo.

560
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Speaker 3: Yep. That's uh, that's kind of what I was getting at.

561
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 3: That's kind of where I'm at. And you know, I

562
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Speaker 3: hate being kind of like that negative person who always

563
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 3: thinks about that about young pictures, But whenever a young

564
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Speaker 3: pictures breaking out, my first thing to do is to

565
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Speaker 3: go to his page and see him an innings he

566
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Speaker 3: through the year before and see what when when I

567
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Speaker 3: should get out?

568
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Speaker 1: It's it's probably smart.

569
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Speaker 2: Right, Let's go to our last topic here, interrounding the bases.

570
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Speaker 2: This was an article that you sent me, you know,

571
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Speaker 2: from the Athletic last week about kind of reconsidering the title.

572
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: The article is reconsidering the picture win criteria, and it

573
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Speaker 2: essentially talks about like technically, like what goes into a

574
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Speaker 2: picture being eligible for the win, how wins have changed

575
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Speaker 2: over the years, and particularly how picture usage has changed

576
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: over the years, and you know, people don't go as

577
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Speaker 2: long anymore. Should the rule only be four innings instead

578
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Speaker 2: of five? So I have a pretty strong opinion about

579
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Speaker 2: this that I held prior to you sharing this article.

580
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Speaker 2: But this, you know, I thought was a good impetus

581
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: to have a fun discussion about it. And I want

582
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: to actually have room on this show for other rules

583
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: changes ideas in the future, because I got a few

584
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Speaker 2: of them. But before I share kind of the stance

585
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Speaker 2: I've always held, I'm curious, A what you thought of

586
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: the article, and B you know what your stance is

587
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: on pitture win rule.

588
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: So my not not to give a whole old man

589
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: yells at cloud stance. But whenever I think about a

590
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: rule change like this, I think about how it's going

591
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: to change history and how it's going to change records,

592
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: and I just hate if there's like a drastic rule change,

593
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: we have to be like, oh, this is the most

594
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: wins in a season before twenty twenty four, or like

595
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: you know, kind of a thing when they change the

596
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: wind roll down to two innings. And so that's that's

597
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Speaker 3: where I'm really hesitating. Like I'm on board with shortening

598
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: the season, but not by a lot, like maybe we

599
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Speaker 3: drop it down to like one hundred and fifty games,

600
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Speaker 3: one hundred and forty five games, I'm leading off the

601
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: other day, Joe was talking about dropping the season down

602
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: to one hundred one games, and I was like, you're

603
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: out of your mind. That's it's too few.

604
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, four is what it used to be. Like, I

605
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: understand that argument. What one oh one is absurd.

606
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: It's absurd, and it would just be like a new

607
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 3: sport and like all the records would just be thrown

608
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Speaker 3: out the window. It would just be like, oh, the

609
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: most home runs since we cut the season by a third.

610
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: So that's depending on how you changed the win criteria.

611
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: I would have some thoughts about, like making it drastically different,

612
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: because I I hate changing records and having to think

613
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 3: about historical records that way. I do think there's some

614
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: just because the game has changed so much, there's some interesting,

615
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: you know, things to discuss, especially because like they didn't

616
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: even when they start first started counting like wins stuff.

617
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: They didn't even really have bullpens. Like you just had

618
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 3: your day to pitch and you just went out and

619
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: I was your day, and either one or you lost.

620
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: And it's just not that way anymore. And now there's

621
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Speaker 3: you know, the cheapy teams doing the opener, the opener

622
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: and then the bulk reliever. And that's kind of you know,

623
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: throwing wins into a whole new kind of category. There's

624
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: the whole fantasy movement towards quality starts instead of instead

625
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: of wins, and so it's a way.

626
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Speaker 2: I've seen people say that the definition of a quality

627
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: start maybe should change, like, like there should be it

628
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: shouldn't just be six innings, three runs. It should be

629
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: a threshold of runs based on the number. So if

630
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: you go five innings, then a quality start is allowing

631
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Speaker 2: two runs. You go seven innings, a quality start is

632
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: allowing four runs. Those are just examples thrown out. I

633
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: think you could quipal with the exact numbers, but I'd

634
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: be more inclined with that than I would like just

635
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: saying blanket quality start.

636
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've seen people saying shortened the quality start

637
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: because people don't pitch that long anymore. Yeah, what are

638
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: you so?

639
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: First of all, I firmly agree on the history. I'm

640
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: in the exact same boat. I don't think it's biased

641
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: because baseball was a sport I kind of fell in

642
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: love with as a kid, and I loved reading about

643
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: all the old stats and like, like, I think it's

644
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: genuinely different in baseball than other sports in terms of

645
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: how the numbers connect us to the past.

646
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Speaker 1: You know, excuse me, I.

647
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: Don't think about like like when Tom Brady said his

648
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: records with quarterback, I didn't know what the number of

649
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Speaker 2: all time passing yards was that he then broke, you know.

650
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Speaker 1: I I And same with basketball.

651
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: I Like I knew that Lebron was probably near the

652
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: scoring record, and I knew that it was Kareem Abdul

653
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: Jabbar that had the record. I didn't know the thirty

654
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: eight thousand whatever whatever. In baseball, like you know not

655
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: only what Hank Aaron's number was, but you also knew

656
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: Babe Ruth's number. You also knew Willie Mays's number. Like

657
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 2: growing up, it was like you didn't just notice like

658
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: these guys in order were like really revered. Those numbers

659
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: were revered as much as the players were. You know,

660
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: a single season records are the same. But it so

661
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm with you in the way that that stats and

662
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: records connect baseball to its past, I think is different

663
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: than any other sport, and I think that has to

664
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Speaker 2: be a consideration with any decision you make now. Having

665
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Speaker 2: said that, if they changed the win rule. I still

666
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: don't think anybody's touching cy Young right, Like it's it's

667
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: not like we're about to rewrite their record books if

668
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Speaker 2: they were to change the win rule now, something like

669
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 2: changing the like the season is a different story. But uh,

670
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Speaker 2: I'm on board with changing something like this. Here's what

671
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: I would say, and it's what I've I've actually said

672
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: for years and have never had a platform that people

673
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: will listen to me, you know.

674
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: Make this case is I think wins should exist for pitchers.

675
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: They are the most important players in the field on

676
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: that given day. But I think it should be a

677
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: scorekeeper's decision. We allow official scorekeepers to make tons of

678
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: judgment calls. Is this a hit? Is this an error?

679
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: Why are we not allowing them to make what is

680
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: like ninety five times out of one hundred, It's very

681
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: obvious which pitcher contributed the most to the win. So

682
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: for me, it's less about you need to go a

683
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: certain number of innings, like four innings versus five innings.

684
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: That's not really that compelling of an argument to me.

685
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: To me, it's the pitcher who goes six and two

686
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: thirds and his team just doesn't score and he gets

687
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: he comes out of the game, some reliever comes on

688
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: to get that last out of the sixth, and then

689
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: his team finally scores in the seventh, lever gets the

690
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: win and not the starting pitcher. Why are we not

691
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: allowing the official scorekeeper to say clearly the winning pitcher

692
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: in this effort was the guy who went six and

693
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: two thirds, not the reliever who threw eight pitches. Those

694
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: are the scenarios where I don't understand the argument against

695
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: allowing us to just assign a win rather than having

696
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: because of this defined rule and who happened to be

697
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: on the mound when the offense that has nothing.

698
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: To do with you.

699
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: By the way, like the pitchers are not hitting anymore,

700
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: why are we relying on them to determine when when

701
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: you get the win? So for me, that would be

702
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: the more intriguing option would be to say, hey, and

703
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: you know what, if the starter gets shelled after three

704
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: and every reliever goes one inning after that, and the

705
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: team just happens to score fifteen runs so they win,

706
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: you can say there's no win today, Like I don't

707
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: see why the total wins on a pitching staff at

708
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: the end of the year needs to add up to

709
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: this same number of wins as a seasons. Maybe the

710
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: guy didn't earn it, And I think that we should

711
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: give scorekeepers of luay to make those decisions. I've always

712
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: felt very strongly about that. I have no illusions that

713
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: this will ever happen, but that has been my stance

714
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: for a while. Now I'm the one who's talking too long,

715
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: and I'm curious your opinion.

716
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: I agree with that. While you were talking, I was thinking,

717
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: what if we just gave no one a win and

718
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: we just be mean about it and give But I

719
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: think before we fix wins, we gotta fix holds, because

720
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: man do I have some thoughts about how ghoest holts are.

721
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: That can be for another day, but uh yeah, I

722
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: could I could see that. What about what about wins

723
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: fewer than five innings? What if someone goes like, for

724
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: shout out of things, it doesn't go anymore, would you

725
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: give him the win?

726
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: I think if you're talking under four, I wouldn't consider it.

727
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: I think if you go like four and two thirds

728
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: and they're good innings and no other picture goes more

729
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: than an inning and you and you went like, it's

730
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: it's hard for me to say you did.

731
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: A great job. If you didn't go five innings.

732
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: But I also I'm like trying to not let the

733
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: fact that that's just what it's been my whole life

734
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: have any bias in that thought, because like it's hard,

735
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: it's hard to turn off the part of my brain

736
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: that is always known you need to go five to

737
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: get a win. So that one I'm more open to.

738
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: If you want to say it has to stay five, Like,

739
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm open to that idea. To me, it's having been

740
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: the last picture on the mound when your team happens

741
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: to finally score. That's the one that I take real

742
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: significant issue with. If you want to say you need

743
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: to go at least four, and then that's fine, if

744
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: you were clearly kind of the best picture, I'm open

745
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: to that.

746
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: I'm also open to saying there's still a.

747
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: Minimal threshold of five, but I feel less strongly about

748
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: that one.

749
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: I want to I want to have more.

750
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 2: Of these rules conversations throughout the year, maybe is if

751
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: we are struggling to come up with a topic, or

752
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: maybe in the off season, because I have other ideas,

753
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: including my all time favorite rules change idea that will

754
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: never ever happen. But I have been telling people for

755
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: like six years, and I think it's genius and I'll save.

756
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: That for a future episode.

757
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: So I have a good story about Box. I'm looking

758
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: forward to telling Boxing.

759
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm excited for that. So, by the way, that's

760
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: like a good hopefully incentive for everybody to make sure

761
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Speaker 2: they're subscribed to the show. And if you like this content,

762
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: the best freeway to show your support and encourage more

763
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,640
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764
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Speaker 2: a positive review at fantasypros dot com slash MLB review.

765
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: If you ask a question in your review, or if

766
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: you just want to leave a comment about what you

767
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: think the wins rule should be mayor and I will

768
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Speaker 2: be sure to answer it in the following week's episode.

769
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get into our waivers for the week.

770
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Speaker 2: Who is your favorite waivers hitter?

771
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: So I realized as I was going through I kind

772
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: of won some boring names this week, but it was

773
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: also kind of a weird week, and I didn't want

774
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 3: to just take too many chalky answers that are probably

775
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: rostered in too many leagues, and so I went with

776
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 3: an intriguing name when Seal Perez and it's because he's

777
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: still on the younger side. He's not like one of

778
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: the former first round picks, but he's kind of he's

779
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: worked his way through the miners and he's with the

780
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: Tigers now and he's just continuing to earn playing time,

781
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 3: and not only earn playing time, but earn his way

782
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: into the middle of the order. So as someone who

783
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: wasn't playing every day, and then when he was playing

784
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: mostly playing, you know, he was kind of like sprinkled

785
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: all over the order, bat at eighth, seventh, sixth, but

786
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 3: he's in it a couple of times ninth, but that

787
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 3: was a pinch hit appearance. But now he's consistently batting

788
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: third in the lineup for the Tigers, and that is

789
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: where things get interesting, because you want someone hitting in

790
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 3: the center of the lineup, even if it's the Tigers.

791
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 3: And so his minor league numbers are not gonna blow

792
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 3: you away. He's not a huge power guy. He's a

793
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: decent speed guy. He can steal twenty bases if he

794
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 3: plays every day. He's always had a solid walk, right,

795
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: He's always he's someone who gets on base, not a

796
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: terrible strikeout, right, So he's a guy who gets on bass,

797
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: makes makes good contact, he's not going to win you

798
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: your league. At home runs, he's probably not gonna win

799
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 3: you your league, and still in bases, but he's.

800
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: Pretty much like you're really making the same here.

801
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on your league, and you know, he's

802
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 3: not going to be someone you're targeting in one of

803
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 3: those really shallow ESPN leagues, but in twelve twelve team

804
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: in higher leagues, if you kind of need someone who's

805
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 3: doing wrong right now, because I have a really good

806
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: team in the league where all of my studs are

807
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: just terrible right now, Like I have a really good

808
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: roster and they're like Austin Riley, George Springer, Xander Boguards,

809
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: they're just all struggling right now. And so if you

810
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: especially like in a five outfielder league, if you need

811
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: someone who's going to do probably solid for a few weeks,

812
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: he's free right now and you can just, you know,

813
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: especially in the fifteen team league, pick him up immediately.

814
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 3: Twelve team leagues with like five outfielders, he's someone you

815
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: could plug into your lineup and see if you can

816
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 3: get some production for a few weeks and maybe, you know,

817
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: maybe he sticks around and takes that next step and

818
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: you can get a handful of home runs and twenty

819
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 3: stele bases in a good batting average and also a

820
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: good on base percentage if you're among those.

821
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I forget if you give the exact number,

822
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: but only five percent rostered in YAHOO. So, like you said,

823
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: he's very available, eligible at both second base and outfield,

824
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: which is nice, just giving a little bit of flexibility.

825
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

826
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to sit here and pretend

827
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 2: that I have a really strong opinion on went Sield Perez.

828
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: It's hard to yes.

829
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: I mean, he's only had fifty two career played appearances,

830
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: so it's there's not a ton of track record to

831
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: work from. But I think that's a good case, and

832
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: particularly in deep leagues, I think he's, you know, somebody

833
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: you know, willing to willing to be looked at in.

834
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: A league like that. I'm now pulling up my pick

835
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: because I want to say yeah.

836
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: So, so I went with Sumy Jerkson Profar, who is

837
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: rostered in fifty two percent of leagues in YAHOO, forty

838
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: percent of leagues in ESPN. So less of a deep

839
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: cut player obviously former number one overall prospect in baseball,

840
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: but more of somebody who I think is just a

841
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: little under owned. He has been really good this year. Actually,

842
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 2: you know, his strikeout rate is just fifteen point four percent,

843
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: that's down from last year. His walk rate is the

844
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: highest of his career. You know, his hard hit rate

845
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: is up over forty percent. It was at thirty one

846
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: last year, so it's it's the highest of his career.

847
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: His expected batting average is three h four, that's you know,

848
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: ninety third percent tile in baseball baseball. His ex wOBA

849
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: is eighty fourth percentile.

850
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: You know.

851
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 2: Obviously he's in the outfield now, not an infield guy anymore.

852
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: He's already thirty one, like he's big in the league forever.

853
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: You know.

854
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 2: Obviously he's got four home runs on the season, again,

855
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 2: batting three forty two. I think he's somebody who will

856
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: help you in batting average this season. I don't think

857
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: that's a you know, a fluke.

858
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: You know.

859
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: Again, his expected batting average is over three hundred, so

860
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: it's not quite a size three forty two.

861
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: But he's hitting the ball well.

862
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not expecting a huge home run

863
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: total or a huge stole in base total. But I

864
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: think he's a quality player in a quality lineup who

865
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: is going to get opportunities. And again, it's less that

866
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a league winner, but

867
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: more like he's only barely over fifty percent rostered. I

868
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: think that should be hired to sixty to seventy percent.

869
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: I think there are leagues out there where he's not rostered,

870
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: where he would be an improvement for someone. What do

871
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: you think about profar.

872
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: So you think a guy who's a career two forty

873
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 3: two hitter has been in the league for ten years

874
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 3: is going to bat three hundred this year.

875
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: I didn't say I think it's going about three hundred.

876
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: I said, I think it can help you in batting average.

877
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 2: You don't need a bat three hundred to help people

878
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: in batting average. I just think that the data is encouraging.

879
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: I mean again, like he's his hard hit rate is up,

880
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: he's he's hitting the ball better, his exit velocity is higher,

881
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: he is you know, sweet spot rate is higher.

882
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: It's they're not like.

883
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: We're talking about waivers pick ups, right, Like, there's not

884
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: gonna be a guy out there who's like one hundred

885
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: percent hile across the board unless Ryan Orharan is available

886
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: in your league. Like you're just not going to have

887
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: those options out there, so you know you have to

888
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: take to go with the bad. But I think he

889
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: looks like a better hitter this year, and it's enough. Again,

890
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you should be one hundred percent rostered,

891
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: but I'm picking him up if I need outfield help.

892
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: And I play in a lot of five outfielder leagues,

893
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: and in most of those leagues, I'm guessing one of

894
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: my outfielders is at least on the same level as Profar,

895
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: if not worse like where Profar would be an improvement.

896
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: I am not saying he's going to bat three hundred

897
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: this season, but I think I think he's batting everyone

898
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: better than it's been in the past.

899
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 3: I have an on record that you said he's gonna

900
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: beat three hundred this year, and I'm going to play

901
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: it back when you're done.

902
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: Now he has a hier picking him up, well.

903
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: I mean not if when Seal Perez is out there. Now,

904
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: I think he has a he has a higher ceiling

905
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: than someone like Wen Seal Perez. Obviously he's more rostered.

906
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 3: He's another guy talking about you know this, the the

907
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: theme of the episode being guys who have burned us

908
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: in the past. I think jerks and Profar has burned

909
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 3: everyone who's played fantasy baseball at once in their career,

910
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 3: because he's been doing this for ten years, and he

911
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: had a couple of years were, you know, way back

912
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, we hit twenty home runs. He batted

913
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: two fifty four, and you're like, oh, this is you know,

914
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: this could be the beginning of the breakout. And then

915
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: he kind of hit two twenty home runs again next year,

916
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 3: but he bet at two eighteen and then he's just

917
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 3: kind of been all over the place since then. And Yeah,

918
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: it's it's intriguing that the batball data looks so good

919
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: even just looking at like the recent production. You look

920
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: at like all his games one for four, two for

921
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: four or two five, one for four, one for three,

922
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 3: two for five, one for four, three four, four four,

923
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: I feel I almost feel like I'm confidence saying he's

924
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: never done that in his career before, having that many

925
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 3: hits in that many games. Yeah, so it's intriguing. I

926
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: think he's going to come back down to earth a

927
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: little bit, you know, just the law of large large

928
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: numbers are not in his favor in terms of who

929
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: he's been in his career. But I'll be interested to

930
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 3: see if you know if they're if he's I haven't

931
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 3: looked into him enough to know if he's made any

932
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: real tangible changes to justify these improvements. But it's intriguing.

933
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 2: Most numbers on a statcast page are either a career

934
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: high or second best in his career. Like it's it's

935
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: not just like one or two areas where he seems

936
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 2: to have improved, it's it's largely across the board.

937
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: In terms of the balltball data.

938
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: And again, like very legitimate pedigree, was the number one

939
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: overall prospect in baseball at won't point. Now that was

940
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: over ten years ago, and he's older. You know, all

941
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: that caveats you know are are worthy.

942
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: Who did the Orioles draft that year?

943
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: In the I he wasn't drafted, right, wasn't he an international?

944
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: There you go, I assume.

945
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 3: He was the same question. Who did the Oriols draft?

946
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: He made his debut in twenty twelve, and that year

947
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: the Oiols drafted Kevin Gossman fourth overall.

948
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: I will tell you that, but uh, I've lost my

949
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: train of thought thanks to having to think about the

950
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: Oriols draftics. Anyways, the goal that was Anyways.

951
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not saying he's a superstar, but like, if

952
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: these changes are real, I think you could be looking

953
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 2: at like a two seventy maybe two eighty batting average

954
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: if things go right, and twenty home runs again, if

955
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: things go right. I think there's a spot for that

956
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: in a lot of leagues, especially leagues with more than

957
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: three outfielders.

958
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: That's my point.

959
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: I'm willing to make a bet with you right now

960
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 3: that he doesn't hit two seventy this year. I don't

961
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 3: really want to, but I don't know what's the bet.

962
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: I want to make that bet.

963
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm not saying to blow your fab on him right now.

964
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm couching this with like a bunch

965
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: of I'm not saying this. I'm not saying that.

966
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: I get you're taking a lot of heat from a

967
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: guy who just recommended Wenzield Forrest.

968
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: It's a great point, it's great. I'm too much of

969
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 2: a coward to take that bet. But I think I

970
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: think it's I think it's, uh, let me, I'll phrase

971
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: it like this. I think it's there's the percentage that

972
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: that happens, that he beats two seventy five and has

973
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: twenty plus home runs. Is high enough above zero percent

974
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: that I think he's worth a pickup, is the way

975
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: I would phrase it.

976
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: Let's go to our favorite pitchers here? Who is yours?

977
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: So we don't have to spend a lot of time

978
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 3: on mind because we've already talked about him, and it's

979
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 3: Eric Fetty. And the reason is because while I was

980
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: researching him, I realized just how low his roster percentage was,

981
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 3: and if I have to double check right now, I

982
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: think it was around is less than fifty percent. He's

983
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: available in almost sixty percent of Yahoo leagues, and I

984
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 3: just think the early numbers are too good to leave

985
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: him out there, especially in leagues A lot of leagues

986
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: you need pitching and you need pitching volume. He already

987
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: went in a bunch of my leagues. I was a

988
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: little too late in a few of my leagues, a

989
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: little too late to the breakout. But we already talked

990
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: about it earlier in the show. If you need a reminder,

991
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: rewind at the beginning of the show, we talked about

992
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: Eric Fetty. A wee can skip a head to years now.

993
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: I am going with a reliever and I want to

994
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: let everybody know that the plan next week, and we

995
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: need to see a schedule works out, is to do

996
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: kind of a deep dive closer report where we kind

997
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: of say, hey, we're over a month into the season,

998
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,479
Speaker 2: let's look at all the bullpens and kind of see

999
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: where closers are trending. It's a difficult position to deal

1000
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: with in fantasy, so we'll kind of do the.

1001
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: Legwork for you and hopefully you know we're able to

1002
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: do that.

1003
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: Next week, we're going to kind of do a deeper

1004
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: dive there. I'm gonna pick a closer. I'm gonna go

1005
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: with James MacArthur of the Royals, who's been awesome this year.

1006
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: Outside of his first three outings, which were March thirtieth,

1007
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: April first, April third, we're now essentially a full month

1008
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: past the last time that he allowed a run. Since then,

1009
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: it's literally been zero earned runs every start he's got

1010
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: at least in ending every start. Those have largely been

1011
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: save opportunities, and he has done really well in those.

1012
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 2: In most of those addings he has one or two strikeouts.

1013
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: You know, a couple of walks here and there, a

1014
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: couple of hits here and there, but he's been a

1015
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: good closer for the Royals. He's only twenty seven years old.

1016
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: The Royals have been a good team, but they're not

1017
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: the type of dominant team that I expect to win

1018
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 2: a lot of games by more than three runs, which

1019
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: means I think this could be a perfect scenario of

1020
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: winning lots of games but winning them close enough that

1021
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: the closer gets a lot of work. He has fifteen

1022
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: strikeouts in thirteen to two thirds innings, seven saves already

1023
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: this season, one point one seven whip. I don't think

1024
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 2: he's going to be like a Tier one, elite level closer.

1025
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: I think he's going to get a lot of saves though,

1026
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: and I think he's he's not going to kill you

1027
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: on the ratios in doing so, and I don't see

1028
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: a lot of I know it's a good bullpen in

1029
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: Kansas City, but I think he's going to continue to

1030
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: solidify himself just as the guy you know at the

1031
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: back end of that bullpen. So his his you know,

1032
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: roster percentage sixty six percent of Yahoo that's gone up

1033
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: recently and twenty two percent ESPN. Finding saves is so

1034
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: hard that if they're worth anything in your league, like

1035
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: if you're in a rowal.

1036
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: Whatever I think he should be.

1037
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: I think he should be one hundred percent rostered in

1038
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: leagues where saves a irrelevant because I just think he

1039
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: is the Royals closer, and I think he's going to

1040
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: be an upper half of baseball closer, if not like

1041
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 2: a top eight guy.

1042
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only problem is that he might not be

1043
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: the best picture in that bullpen. John Shriver might be.

1044
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: I am at socks great.

1045
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: I think he's been good enough that he's gonna need

1046
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: to be bad for a little while to lose the spot.

1047
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: But again, he hasn't given up an earned a round

1048
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: in a month and he's been basically locking down every

1049
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,479
Speaker 2: save in that timeframe, So I I don't I guess

1050
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what the Royals would plan to do,

1051
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: but you know, long term, but I don't see them

1052
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: as a team that's looking like it got like an

1053
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: itchy trigger finger and looking to take him out and

1054
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: bring on somebody else just for the sake of Oh

1055
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: his ratios are slightly better, Like, I think MacArthur's been

1056
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: good enough and will continue to be good enough.

1057
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: That he will have that role.

1058
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: And closers are volatile, so maybe he's not you end

1059
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: up dropping him later in the season if it turns

1060
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: out that he's not actually that good. But right now,

1061
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: if you look like a clear closer for a decent team,

1062
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm I think I think he needs to be rostered

1063
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: again everywhere where slaves are relevant.

1064
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost kind of interesting that he came away

1065
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: with the job just based on what they did in

1066
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 3: the offseason. They kind of brought in some competition for

1067
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: that role, and he just has taken it in so

1068
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: far as to him really well.

1069
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 2: He was not on my radar as a likely closer

1070
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: before the season, but the first month was good enough

1071
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: that now I'm picking him up in a lot of places.

1072
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Builo's cell high and then

1073
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: we'll wrap up the show.

1074
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: Who is your favorite buy Low?

1075
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: So it's another boring one. It's going to be, you know,

1076
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: just a boring name. But he's another one who's available everywhere,

1077
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: and I think he's better than his early numbers. Show

1078
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 3: And it's Lars new Bar. I was gonna keep talking,

1079
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: but I realized I should probably say his name at

1080
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 3: some point. But it's Lars new Bar. He's someone I

1081
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: accidentally drafted in an auction league for one dollar. I

1082
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: nominated him for a dollar, hoping he would go and

1083
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: I ended up with him on my roster. I still

1084
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 3: roster him, and he's someone, like I said, he's he's

1085
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: available everywhere, and if you need outfielders, you can probably

1086
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: either buy extremely low on him or get him for free.

1087
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: Because his early numbers are not good. He's only got

1088
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: one home run, he's batting one eighty five, he's only

1089
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: got two stolen bases, and it's through eighteen games. But

1090
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 3: I really think he's better than this, and I think

1091
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: this is more He began the season on the injured list,

1092
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: and I think this is really someone who's just off

1093
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 3: to a slow start because of the beginning of the

1094
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: year on the injured list. I wrote him up on

1095
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 3: this week's Featured Pros on Fantasy Pros Are BI Low

1096
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: So High. Title is ten players to trade Now, and

1097
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 3: I wrote basically what I'm saying now, trying to remember

1098
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 3: from memory. But it's really just that I think he's

1099
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: a lot better than this. His expected numbers that we

1100
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: always like to talk about on the show are all

1101
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 3: much better than this. I don't think he's going to

1102
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: go twenty twenty but I think he's going to give you.

1103
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: I think he's a good hitter who also gets on

1104
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 3: base a lot. He's going to hit. You know, despite

1105
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 3: these struggles, he's still hitting third and batting in the

1106
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: middle of that lineup. It's a lineup that's really struggling,

1107
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 3: so no one's really pushing him out of that spot

1108
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 3: right now. And I do think the Cardinals as a

1109
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: whole are going to be better, and I do think

1110
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: he's going to be better. And I think he's someone

1111
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: who's gonna hit fifteen home runs and probably steal ten

1112
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 3: to fifteen bases with a solid average. And he's free

1113
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 3: right now. Whereas you know, normally, if you have to

1114
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 3: draft that production, you have to spend a late round

1115
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: pick on it, or if you know you're getting that

1116
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 3: kind of production, especially for someone that hitting in the

1117
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 3: middle the lineup, you're gonna have to spend a little

1118
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: bit in a trade. But right now he's free, and

1119
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 3: that's why you know, I'll probably get a lot of

1120
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 3: heat if I drop him in my league in two weeks,

1121
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 3: but if it doesn't start to turn it around, I

1122
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 3: need the roster spot. But right now, if you can

1123
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: kind of wait it out, I think he's gonna be

1124
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: a lot better than than what he is right now.

1125
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: My favorite bi Loo is because I had to talk

1126
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: about an oriel Grayson Rodriguez, who just went on IL,

1127
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: which I'm actually counting as a good thing because it

1128
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: means he's probably more affordable now than he's ever been.

1129
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: And the rumors around Baltimore are that it's there is

1130
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 2: some right shoulder inflammation and they want to be cautious

1131
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: and they'd rather be safe than sorry. They want him

1132
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: in October, not in May. But also that you know

1133
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: they're bringing back in John means they're bringing back in

1134
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: Kyle Bradish that I already mentioned. There's an opportunity here

1135
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 2: to maybe get him a little rest as he is

1136
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: a young pitcher who's still building up his innings workload,

1137
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: and make.

1138
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: Sure he's ready for October.

1139
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: So as of now, and that is subject to change,

1140
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: because we were talking about a starting pitcher. As of now,

1141
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: I am not concerned about the IL stint that he

1142
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: just went on, and again, if anything, it makes it

1143
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: more affordable. You and I were actually chatting just was

1144
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: yesterday or earlier this week about Grayson Rodriguez, and you

1145
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: know the numbers if you just look at them as

1146
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: they are, are not gonna value thirty seven strikeouts in

1147
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 2: thirty four innings, a one forty one whip, a three

1148
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: seven one ERA. This is not the guy that we were,

1149
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: you know, where he was going in drafts, that we

1150
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: were hoping to get. Having said that, he had one

1151
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: terrible start against the Angels and the Orioles bullpen has

1152
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 2: been very overworked early on. So when it was clear

1153
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: Grayson didn't have it in that start in LA, they

1154
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: kind of just let him wear it as long as

1155
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: they could, and so his numbers were really bad.

1156
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: In that outing. He gave up seven earned runs in

1157
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: under five innings. He gave up like eleven hits.

1158
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: I think it was it was a very poor outer

1159
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: his stats in the games not including that, and I

1160
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: know that in fantasy you don't get to just throw

1161
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: out the worst stat, but that it was an outlier.

1162
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: Compared to the rest of the season, He's been actually

1163
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: remarkably consistent this season. In the other five starts, he's

1164
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: four to zero with a two to twelve ERA, a

1165
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 2: one to twenty one whip, and thirty strikeouts in twenty

1166
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: nine to two thirds innings. So as I said to you,

1167
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: you'd like a few more strikeouts and maybe fewer walks

1168
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: to get that whip down a little. But you're giving

1169
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: me an era and the low twos on a team

1170
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: that's gonna win a ton of games and at least

1171
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: a strikeout an inning. I'm taking that, and I'm very

1172
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: happy to do so. So this is as we talk

1173
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 2: about a lot kind of relative to price, right, I'm

1174
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: not saying go buy Grayson at any price if you

1175
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: can get them low, especially because of this injury and

1176
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: because that start against the Angels was recent. I am

1177
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 2: very happy to buy a guy that I think, more

1178
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 2: often than not is going to give you six ish innings,

1179
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: six to eight strikeouts, one to two earned runs, and

1180
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: a pretty good chance a to win. And that's basically

1181
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: what he was for like sixteen straight starts dating back

1182
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 2: to last season prior to that blow up against the Angels.

1183
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: So I think he's a really good value, even if.

1184
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: He hasn't quite taken the leap into true ace level

1185
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: that we were hoping for. Do you think that's a

1186
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 2: fair case or am I being a homer?

1187
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: I mean that was such an impassioned case. I don't

1188
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 3: think I could realistically argue back, I think you've already

1189
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 3: made your case. No, I think he's a good young arm.

1190
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 3: If you can buy low, you should.

1191
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: Right, Let's go to our cell highs here. Who's your favorite?

1192
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: So my cell high is really just an evergreen cell

1193
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: high for me. But he's just continuing to outperform his numbers,

1194
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 3: and just Jose Brios, I forget if we talked about

1195
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: him earlier on the show earlier in the season. We

1196
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 3: probably did, because I always feel like I'm selling high

1197
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: in Jose Brio's I was trying to He's another person

1198
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: I wrote up for that Bilo cell High article on

1199
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 3: the site this week, and I and I had the

1200
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 3: same question when I was writing it. I was like, they,

1201
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: did I already write about this guy like a month ago?

1202
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: I probably did, but if not, I couldn't remember if

1203
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 3: I did. He's just continuing to down perform all of

1204
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: his numbers, and I just don't think he's as good

1205
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: and all of the numbers agree with me his he's

1206
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 3: got a one point four for era right now, and

1207
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 3: his gap from his era it was expected. The RAE

1208
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 3: one point four to four too, was expected. The array

1209
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 3: of almost five is the biggest gap in baseball among

1210
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 3: qualifying pitchers, and also what an enormous gap. And he's

1211
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: he's got some interesting numbers, but he's like k percentages down,

1212
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 3: his swinger strike percentages down. He's getting more ground balls,

1213
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: which is helping him a lot. His hard hit percentage

1214
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,959
Speaker 3: is up, and like they're not just up, but there

1215
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 3: are some of them. Some of those are like either

1216
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: career lows or career highs in the wrong direction. And

1217
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 3: yet he still has a one point four four ERA

1218
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 3: despite all of that, despite only striking out thirty one

1219
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 3: batters in forty three and two thirds innings. And strikeouts

1220
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 3: are not everything. You know, we get a little carried

1221
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 3: away because of strikeouts, some fantasy, but the another reason

1222
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 3: that people like strikeouts is it limits your bad luck.

1223
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 3: And at some point, if you're not striking out bad as,

1224
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 3: you're gonna start getting some more bad luck. And all

1225
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: of his expected numbers say that more bad luck is coming.

1226
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 3: He's got, like I said, a sub to sub one

1227
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 3: point five r A and all of his expected numbers

1228
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 3: are over four. That's just gotta that can't continue. It's

1229
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: gonna meet in the middle soon. And it's not just

1230
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 3: gonna jump to four point eight eight, it's gonna jump

1231
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: to the twos and threes, which is still fine. But

1232
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 3: between the name value because people know the Jose Brios

1233
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 3: name and they look at the early numbers, it's just

1234
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 3: prime to sell high right now. And I have a

1235
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: question for you, which is a question when we write

1236
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 3: the art, when we write these blurbs for the article,

1237
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 3: we're supposed to always try to pitch who we think

1238
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 3: or who we'd like to target in a trade. And

1239
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 3: I had a trade proposal lot that was gonna ask

1240
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: you about would you trade Jose Brios for Corby and

1241
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 3: Carroll right now?

1242
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: I'm giving away Burrios getting Corbyn Carroll in like maybe

1243
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 2: a third of a second, I would say yes.

1244
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: Well, I only asked that because of because people are

1245
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 3: panicking about corn Mac Carroll. But and how bad he's been.

1246
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: I get why there might be panic with Carol. Obviously

1247
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: he's been. It's a rough start to the season. I've

1248
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: I mean talking about getting burned by guys. I've been

1249
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: burned by Barrios enough in the past. Like you said,

1250
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: kind of the expected data is not good. I I'm

1251
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: not gonna let one month change what was Where was

1252
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: Burrios going in drafts this year?

1253
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: No idea, Like I don't know off the top.

1254
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: Of my head, but like I'm guessing several dozen, you know,

1255
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: spots different in ADP. I'm not letting a month change that.

1256
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: For a guy with Carol's upside, I'd much rather have Carol.

1257
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 3: That's fair. I'm seeing a lot of panic trade discussions.

1258
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 2: And interesting maybe other people will disagree. I'd be curious

1259
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: to hear what the listeners think when they hear that question.

1260
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: For me, it's a no brainer.

1261
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, we kind of get carried away into thinking, you know,

1262
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: especially like I'm in a lot of industry leagues and

1263
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 3: in a lot of leagues, but like really sharp fantasy managers.

1264
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 3: But there are a lot of people who are brand

1265
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 3: new to fantasy baseball and still kind of in these

1266
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 3: more casual leagues and still learning their way. And there's

1267
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: a lot of discussions out there of just panic selling

1268
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 3: and stuff like this, and they just look at the

1269
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 3: immediate numbers and they want to do just a quick trade.

1270
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 3: So I'm seeing offers like that go around in the discord.

1271
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: My cell high is Jacob Young.

1272
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: I think he's somebody you can sell high because A

1273
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 2: he's been you know, hot lately, and b the steals

1274
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: are really good. You know, he's got twelve stolen bases

1275
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: already this season. You know, his his batting average has

1276
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: gone up a lot in the last week, week and

1277
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: a half because he was on fire, you know, in

1278
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: that series against the Marlins.

1279
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: Two hits, two hits, three hits, one hit.

1280
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it was just a really strong,

1281
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: you know, week or so, and he was stealing like

1282
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: multiple bases of game. It felt like in that series

1283
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: he is giving you nothing else, though, and I don't

1284
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: think he will give you anything else the rest of

1285
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: the sear He has zero home runs.

1286
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: He's not even close to a home run.

1287
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 2: If you look at his like spray chart on STA cast,

1288
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: his like farthest ball he's hit this year is a

1289
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: sharp line drive that like halfway to right field, Like

1290
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: there is just no power here. Uh and I and again,

1291
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't expect any to really develop. His exit velocity

1292
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: average EXI velosity's bottom three percent in the league. His

1293
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: launch angle is one point six degrees. It's just not

1294
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: good fast guy. He's gonna play a lot because of

1295
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: the defense. And again he will get you steal. So

1296
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: if you were like completely desperate for steals, I can

1297
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: understand not moving, but I think because of those steals,

1298
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: because of the hot streaks, so the average is now

1299
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 2: over three hundred. I think he's movable and I would

1300
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: move him in a heartbeat. Do you have any strong

1301
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: opinions on Jacob Young?

1302
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 3: H No, I would gladly trade Jacob Young. I had

1303
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 3: a similar take on Bryce Terrang very early in the season.

1304
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 3: So far has proven me wrong and that the number

1305
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 3: still was still.

1306
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: In fact, I didn't pick I didn't pick up Terrang

1307
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 2: in a league where I could use some speed, specifically

1308
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: because of our conversation on this show, and that is

1309
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: burning me so far.

1310
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 3: For the record, I would still sell high on Bryce Terraing. Yeah,

1311
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 3: without question, so similar reasons. It's kind of like an

1312
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 3: Estuary Ree situation with Jacob Young unless I really need

1313
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: those steals. If someone comes looking for twelve steals, they

1314
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: can have them, no problem.

1315
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: Okay, weekend excitement. What are we looking forward to this weekend?

1316
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: I'll go first. I really want to see if Max

1317
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: Freed is like truly kind of back to the Max

1318
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: Freed we knew in love before the season. Obviously, we

1319
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: talked last week about how his great outings had really

1320
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: come against the Marlins. He was good this week, not

1321
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: against the Marlins, so that was encouraging. He is now

1322
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: facing the Dodgers on Sunday, so clearly a step up.

1323
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: And I think we'll probably tell us a lot about

1324
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 2: if the first few starts of the season were really

1325
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: just kind of a fluke slow start, or if the

1326
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 2: strong outings against the Marlins are the flukes.

1327
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how he does on Sunday.

1328
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: And the other thing I had written down is just

1329
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: Friday Night has some awesome starting pitcher matchups, or at

1330
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: the very least fascinating ones where I'm really interested to

1331
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: see how they turn out. And the ones I wrote

1332
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: down are Jordan Hicks versus Aaron Nola.

1333
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: Hicks.

1334
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: I guess had some some tightness in his side, but

1335
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: the way I from what I've seen and maybe I've

1336
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: missed it, they haven't been talking about it like he's

1337
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: gonna miss a start or anything. He's been good this

1338
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: year obviously in San Francisco. George Kirby versus Renelle Blanco,

1339
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: two guys who we have talked about a lot on

1340
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: this show who have been good in their own respective ways,

1341
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: particularly lately with Kirby, so I'm really excited for that one.

1342
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: And then Dylan sees ver Zach Gallen. Just a couple

1343
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: of guys that.

1344
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: Are you know, either aces or on the periphery of

1345
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 2: ases and you know from from where they were for

1346
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: the season or where they've been in the past. So

1347
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: those are just three really intriguing matchups and they're all

1348
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: Friday night, so I'm really excited to watch those.

1349
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: What are you excited for this weekend?

1350
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: I'm really interested to see Gavin Stone against the Braves

1351
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 3: on Friday, and it's for a number of reasons. One,

1352
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 3: I kind of can't figure out Gavin Stone and what

1353
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 3: he's gonna you know how I feel about it. And

1354
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 3: it feels like this could be a really pivotalbal pivotal,

1355
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 3: not pivotal.

1356
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say it, but it's just pivotal.

1357
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 3: It's okay, you could have said something, a really pivotal

1358
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: start for him, because it just kind of feels like

1359
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 3: he's in this weird, weird zone and we have Walker

1360
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 3: Bmueller coming back. They're kind of, you know, potentially getting

1361
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: some pictures healthy and is he going to stick in

1362
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 3: the rotation long term, well, long term he probably will,

1363
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 3: as long as he doesn't completely employe. But like in

1364
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 3: the long term, in the sense of the season, is

1365
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 3: he going to stick in the rotation? And it almost

1366
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 3: feels like if he gets lit up by the Braves,

1367
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 3: we could be training in the wrong direction. And if

1368
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 3: on the flip side, if he really shuts down the

1369
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: Braves lineup, he could further cement his kind of spot

1370
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 3: in this in this rotation. And so I have him

1371
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 3: in a keeper league, So I'm not going to drop

1372
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 3: him in a keeper league, but it just feels like

1373
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 3: an interesting start and I want to see how he

1374
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 3: performed because I like Gavin Stone. I want to see

1375
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 3: him do well, and I you know, I do think

1376
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 3: highly of him as a as a pitcher and as

1377
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 3: a prospect. But it's an intriguing matchup, and of course

1378
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 3: against Charlie Morton, my guy. And then of course I

1379
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 3: want to see the best picture in baseball Ranger Suarez

1380
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 3: go up against Keaton Win some one we talked about

1381
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 3: last week, and I think that was pretty much it.

1382
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 3: There's a lot of I do want to see Cooper

1383
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 3: Criswell for the Red Sox, kind of an intriguing name,

1384
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 3: has been pitching really well for them as they pieced

1385
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 3: together their rotation. He's kind of getting onto the fantasy landscape,

1386
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 3: you know, someone you should start to pay attention to,

1387
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 3: especially what they're doing with that rotation. And that's it.

1388
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 3: Other than Trace Schouoball and Ester Cortes, a couple of lefties.

1389
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 3: Nester Cortez has been looking a lot better recently. I'm

1390
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 3: still not a huge believer in him, but maybe you are.

1391
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that I am, but we'll see. Let's

1392
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: let's go to our to start picture competition. I wanted

1393
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: to get your opinion on the last week's matchup because

1394
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: I joked about it the week before. I genuinely think

1395
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: this one is tougher and it's you can make the

1396
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: case either way. You had Pablo Lopez. He went one

1397
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: to oh nine innings, pitched eight hits, seven earned runs,

1398
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 2: three home runs, allowed, three walks. He did have fourteen strikeouts.

1399
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 2: Grayson Rodriguez, who we counted his Monday start again because.

1400
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: He got pushed back. It was actually his better start against.

1401
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: Came against the Yankees than that disaster against the Angels,

1402
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 2: one in one, ten innings pitched sixteen hits, allowed, seven

1403
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 2: earned runs, no home runs, allowed, four walks, ten strikeouts.

1404
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: I would give a slight lean toward Lopez that you know,

1405
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 2: I'm being honest here that I would give it slightly

1406
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 2: towards your guy. But I think it's an intriguing discussion

1407
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 2: because they were basically both not very good.

1408
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 3: Basically both not very good. Your guy went one more inning,

1409
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 3: but he has a loss. He allowed twice as many hits,

1410
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 3: the same amount of earned runs, zero home runs against three.

1411
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 3: He walked one more batter, and he struck out four

1412
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 3: fewer batters.

1413
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: So the interesting thing with the hits is that, again

1414
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: that kind of came in that Angels outing where he

1415
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: was kind of forced to wear it. And this is

1416
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 2: maybe philosophically something we need to decide when evaluating this competition.

1417
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: But do we want to give more credence to one

1418
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 2: good start and one bad start versus two mediocre starts?

1419
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1420
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 2: Like I said, I would tend to lean slightly towards

1421
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 2: Pablo Lopez this week, but something to think about for

1422
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 2: the future. So is that does that sound fair to you?

1423
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously it's your guy. I'm assuming you'll say

1424
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 2: it is.

1425
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems fair to me. It's also you know,

1426
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 3: we're using like your league settings. I still don't know

1427
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 3: what these.

1428
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: We're not using.

1429
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 2: I didn't even say the fantasy points this time because

1430
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: I knew you would bring that up, so I did.

1431
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: We're not using the settings. That's just a catch all.

1432
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 2: Like he's like, for example, in this a lot. Well

1433
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 2: that's the thing, is like the fact that Grayson got

1434
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: a loss in his bad start and Lopez didn't like

1435
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 2: significant you know, drastically changes that. So I again, that's

1436
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: just sort of a catch all number. We're not using

1437
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 2: that as the determining factor. I will give the win

1438
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 2: to Pablo Lopez this week. We're still waiting to see

1439
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: how Joe Ryan and ready for al to you this week,

1440
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: you know, like this current week that we're in for

1441
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: next week, I am going and I did not like

1442
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: a lot of the options here, so I am going

1443
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: with Emerson Hancock and he you know, it burned me

1444
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: in the past because I didnt actually end up getting

1445
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: the start against the athletics, but I and also they've

1446
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 2: been hot lately. But I'm trying to go with my

1447
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 2: strategy of if I'm not sure who I want take

1448
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: a two start pitcher who's one of his starts against

1449
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 2: the Athletics.

1450
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: It's also against the Twins, who've been playing well lately.

1451
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 2: But I'm counting on that to come back to Earth

1452
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: a bit and you know, to some talent there. He

1453
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 2: hasn't been great this year, But I didn't love my option,

1454
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 2: so kind of taking a swing and trying to pick

1455
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: somebody that might have a surprisingly nice week.

1456
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: Who do you got?

1457
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 3: That is an interesting choice by you. I will agree

1458
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 3: with you there not one I would have made. But

1459
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 3: then again, every sing Hancock might not be here in

1460
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 3: a month, so you might not have the option to

1461
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 3: ever pick him again.

1462
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 2: So I'm going with It's not a selection I made,

1463
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 2: happily to be clear.

1464
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 3: Just to you know, keep up with what I did.

1465
01:05:58,440 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 3: For the rest of the show, I'm going to reuse

1466
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 3: a name we talked about earlier, and I'm going to

1467
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 3: go with Jack Flaherty, who's at the Cleveland Guardians and

1468
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,439
Speaker 3: then verse home against the Houston Astros, who you would

1469
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 3: normally think it's a dangerous, kind of scary line of this.

1470
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good call, and I he'll

1471
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 2: probably do better than Hancock, but you know what, we're

1472
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 2: here to have fun.

1473
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: We'll get out of there on that. Thank you everybody

1474
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: for tuning in.

1475
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 2: Like I said, we're gonna try and to have a

1476
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: guest next week and we'll talk a little bit more

1477
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 2: about the closers next week, so be sure to stick

1478
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 2: around for that one.

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01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: For Mayor, I am Ryan Warmley. We will see everybody

1480
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: again in a week.

1481
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,600
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1482
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,880
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1483
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,080
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1484
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