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Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning,

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Speaker 3: and welcome to Counterpoints. Emily, how you doing good?

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Speaker 4: Starting to disappoint everyone? We do not have Bro.

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Speaker 3: Show today, No Bro show. That's all right, It's all

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Speaker 3: good here still.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Sager did a great job holding down the counterpoints

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Speaker 4: for it last week, so we are ready to dive

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Speaker 3: Switch seats because he sat here and I sat there

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Speaker 3: and I liked it so much better.

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Speaker 4: But I forgot, I forget that you liked the other side. Well,

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Speaker 4: maybe someday you can colonize sager seat. Well, Sager did

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Speaker 4: a great job holding down the fort. But we are

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Speaker 4: within two weeks of the election, so we have quite

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Speaker 4: a big show. Donald Trump is campaigning everyone where Barack

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Speaker 4: Obama campaigned with eminem On behalf of Kamala Harris. Last night,

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Speaker 4: Remember when you used to get rick rolled? I felt

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Speaker 4: like I had been rickrolled by people saying Obama was

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Speaker 3: I read the Trump War rumor whoever tweeted it. All

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Speaker 4: So the campaign trail is chaotic as usual right now.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to dive into some highlights from Trump's

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Speaker 4: last twenty four hours. Basically, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 4: how the announcement, huge announcement. He's going to do Joe

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris campaign. We're going to talk about Elon Musk.

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Speaker 4: We're going to bring all kinds of updates from the

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Speaker 4: world big money basically playing the role that it's playing

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Speaker 4: in this election. Then Ryan, we're heading over to.

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Speaker 3: Number yes, we've got an exclusive poll from the Nebraska

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Speaker 3: Senate race, which show we'll tease for you now shows

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Speaker 3: Dan Osborne, who we had on the show about a

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Speaker 3: month ago, up by two points over the Republican incumbent.

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Speaker 3: This race could flip control of the Senate. Actually, I

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Speaker 3: already know that they're going to lose West Virginia. Joe

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Speaker 4: Well, it could also be an AOC style vibe shift

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Speaker 4: scooped up by not a Democrat and an independent candidate right.

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Speaker 3: An industrial mechanic union leader veteran who led a strike

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, so we will dive into that. I

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Speaker 4: really hate to say this, but we have updates from McDonald's,

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Speaker 4: are also do an update from Cuba. Ryan was able

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Speaker 4: report actually on the IDF fantastic report that drop.

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Speaker 4: So let's start with Donald Trump's last twenty four hours

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Speaker 5: You said you have to release these hostages before I

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Speaker 1: Well, I would have said they have to release them immediately.

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Speaker 5: What's about the destruction and the death of civilians? Do

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Speaker 4: So and this continues Donald Trump's campaign trail pitch essentially

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Speaker 3: His his his point on the hostages is very Trumpian uh,

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Speaker 3: he's framing the race as around the Cheney's and that

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Speaker 4: But the Hair's campaign is playing right into his hands.

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Speaker 4: I mean absolutely again, like this is Donald Trump is

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Speaker 3: Although there's never a pace where the Unit Party was

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Speaker 4: Brings up to do it, but it's because the Harris

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Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, but well, speaking of that, actually this

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Speaker 4: how the Trump campaign could use NICKI Haley. Let's roll

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Speaker 7: Here Bromp has said that Nicki Haley wants his nemesis

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Speaker 7: what kind of voters could that help with?

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Speaker 4: And where do you think that they'll use her.

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Speaker 8: It will help with younger women because Trump is doing

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Speaker 8: and Nikki Haley brings interest, brings attention among independents, among

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Speaker 8: swing voters. There aren't many left, but what is left

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Speaker 8: they will listen to her, and it'll be a surprise

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Speaker 8: because she has been so challenging of him, so negative

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Speaker 8: towards him up to now. It's a very smart strategy,

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Speaker 8: But in the end, it's not going to be the surrogates.

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Speaker 8: determine these final votes. The key for Haley is absolutely turn.

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Speaker 9: Out eighteen to twenty nine women. The key for Donald

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Speaker 4: percent of the door knocks in Nevada this week were

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Speaker 4: flagged under its internal quote unusual survey logs, which is

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Speaker 4: a metric used to determine fake donors. They use just

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Speaker 4: one example where they say showed a canvasser who was

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Speaker 4: marked by GPS as sitting at Aguayo's on the trail

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Speaker 4: restaurant half a mile away from the doors, who was

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Speaker 4: supposedly hitting Globe Arizona. Another canvasser was recorded making voters,

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Speaker 4: marketing voters as quote not home two blocks away from

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Speaker 4: that apartment. So this is actually kind of technical and

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Speaker 4: I don't know all the details of how often this

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Speaker 4: pretty and again is pretty technical and specific canvassing software.

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Speaker 4: I don't know the details of how often this stuff

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Speaker 4: ends up being off the mark GPS like that is

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Speaker 4: being routed into software like this. It's possible that this

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Speaker 4: is something campaigns deal with all the time. What is

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Speaker 4: pretty telling the ryan is that someone leaked this to

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Speaker 4: The Guardian from presumably it would have to be inside

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Speaker 4: America Pack or from the canvassing group, which tells you

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Speaker 4: that there's a lot of internal upset, likely over whether

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Speaker 4: or not they're doing a good job. And this was

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Speaker 4: a huge problem for Donald Trump with outsourcing his youth

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Speaker 4: operation to Turning Point USA. In Turningpoint USA's pack back

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, there was a ton of hand ringing

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Speaker 4: in the press by you know, a lot of anonymous

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Speaker 4: source system on the record afterwards saying that that was

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Speaker 4: basically a disaster and that it didn't go very well.

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Speaker 4: And so now it seems as though there's potentially more

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Speaker 4: tension over at America Pack, which we were just talking about.

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Speaker 4: Why it's important to even go for these like slim

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Speaker 4: dum graphics of people who might be persuaded by Nikki

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Speaker 4: Haley knocking on the doors is pretty important in a

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Speaker 4: place like Nevada in Arizona. That's like the most basic

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Speaker 4: thing that you have to do, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, who knows if Elon Musk's canvassers are

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Speaker 3: doing this more than the typical canvassor. You guess probably,

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Speaker 3: but who knows, and we'll see. But it's funny and

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Speaker 3: we can all have a good laugh.

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Speaker 4: Now. Less funny is this Lever report.

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Speaker 3: This is a fun one and this has been kicking

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Speaker 3: around for a while. We can put up this last

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Speaker 3: element of the A block here for a story from

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Speaker 3: David Sirota's The Lever about this provision that's been in

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Speaker 3: law for thirty five years. I've been thinking about this

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Speaker 3: as Elon Musk has talked about taking a government official

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Speaker 3: an official government position. There is a law on the

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Speaker 3: books that is designed as a good government law which

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Speaker 3: says you can and you can imagine how this is.

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Speaker 3: This is kind of a fair way to approach things. Say, look,

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Speaker 3: you know, you're super rich, you own a bunch of stocks.

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Speaker 3: You are invited by the people you know, through their

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Speaker 3: elected president, to serve the public, and as a result,

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Speaker 3: you're now required to divest from some of your holdings

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Speaker 3: so that you don't have criminal conflicts of interest. The

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Speaker 3: divestment might cost you an enormous amount in capital gains

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Speaker 3: taxes immediately and could practically bankrupt you depending on how

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Speaker 3: the financial situation unfolds. And so therefore, we're going to

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Speaker 3: allow you to defer all of those capital gains taxes,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to we're gonna otherwise kind of give

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Speaker 3: you a unique tax break that is not available to

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Speaker 3: anybody else in the tax code or in finance, and

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Speaker 3: as a thank you for your government service. And so

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Speaker 3: if Elon Musk gets that tax break, we could end

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Speaker 3: up it could end up being worth billions of dollars.

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Speaker 3: Now Musk is I don't I don't think Elon Musk

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Speaker 3: is doing all this for that tax break. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: that would be crazy. However, it is billions of dollars

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Speaker 3: that we're talking about, and I do think that Elon

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Speaker 3: Musk is doing this for lots of reasons, many of

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Speaker 3: which involve getting, you know, maintaining his position as the

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Speaker 3: richest and most powerful person in the world.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's fascinating how people on the right are

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Speaker 4: glossing over the truly insane amount of government subsidies that

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Speaker 4: he's hoovered up in his positions as a defense contractor

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Speaker 4: as an electric vehicle entrepreneur, and putting him in the

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Speaker 4: government obviously ensures that he has more and more oversight

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Speaker 4: of how some of those like massively valuable subsidies that

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Speaker 4: boost his products in the marketplace will be delivered into

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Speaker 4: the future. Now, obviously there are regulations, like we were

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Speaker 4: just talking about that change you know what you can

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Speaker 4: actually reap when you're in the position. So I doubt

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Speaker 4: you know, I think he has a million different ways

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Speaker 4: to get great tax breaks, to be honest, but it

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Speaker 4: is I mean, the road is right. This is significant.

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Speaker 3: It's significant. The whole the whole question is significant because

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Speaker 3: it raises the broader question of what on earth he

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Speaker 3: would do because legally he would be required to divest

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Speaker 3: from say, SpaceX, yeah, anything that's getting it makes made Sure, Starlink, anything, Tesla,

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Speaker 3: anything that's getting major government contract, which is everything he does.

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Speaker 3: And of course he's not going to do that. And

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Speaker 3: if he did do that, the tax break wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: worth that much because the stock price collapsed from him

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Speaker 3: no longer being the CEO of those operations would probably

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Speaker 3: kind of outweigh the tax benefit that he would get

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Speaker 3: from it. So therefore he probably ends up keeping them

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Speaker 3: because who's going to tell him not to? Donald Trump, right,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump Attorney General. No way, So he ends up

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Speaker 3: he probably ends up unloading things that he had been

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Speaker 3: holding on to, and now he can get this tax break,

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Speaker 3: but aren't consequential to his two hundred fifty billion dollars

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Speaker 3: kind of enterprise.

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Speaker 4: It's sort of inconceivable how it would work financially to

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Speaker 4: put him in government. I mean, it's almost impossible to

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Speaker 4: figure out what that would look like and how it

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Speaker 4: would be done ethically, even if you're like doing it

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Speaker 4: in the most charitable possible ethically.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people in the seventies conceptualizing this blow their minds.

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Speaker 3: We have a piece that we published Sunday over at

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Speaker 3: Dropsight that Emily actually gave us the right wing sensitivity

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Speaker 3: read for about it's so good Elon Musk and he

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Speaker 3: had just recently incorporated United States of America Inc. He

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Speaker 3: calls his pack America Pack, and it's a look at

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Speaker 3: what on earth Elon Musk might be up to.

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Speaker 4: It's a good read. I think it's really important. I

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Speaker 4: wish there were people on the right who were doing

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Speaker 4: similar reporting. We're going to on the topic of Elon,

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Speaker 4: but actually move over to the Harrish campaign, because Tim

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Speaker 4: Walls went after Elon Musk at a rally. So let's

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Speaker 4: roll this clip of Tim Walls going after Elon.

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Speaker 10: Elon's on that stage, jumping around, skipping like a dipshit

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Speaker 10: on these stuns. You know it, Think about it. Think

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Speaker 10: about that that guy is literally the richest man in

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Speaker 10: the world spending millions of dollars to help Donald Trump

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Speaker 10: by an election. Now, look, they're saying the quiet parts

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Speaker 10: out loud now because Donald Trump has already promised that

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Speaker 10: he would put Elon in charge of government regulations that

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Speaker 10: oversee the businesses that Elon run. That's a hell of

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Speaker 10: a bye. He could spend billions to make more than

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Speaker 10: ten billion on the back end. So, in other words,

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump, in front of the eyes the American public,

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Speaker 10: is promising corruption. There's something not just nuts but cruel

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Speaker 10: about a billionaire using people's livelihood as a political prop

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Speaker 10: his agenda, let's big corporations not pay people for overtime

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Speaker 10: and diminishes those very workers that he was costplaying as.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So that was Tim Walls at a rally in Madison, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: Random curious what you make actually of Democrats turning Elon

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Speaker 4: Musk into a negative or trying to turn Elon Musk

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Speaker 4: into a negative from a kind of populist line against

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Speaker 4: the Trump campaign. The Trump campaign sees Musk largely as

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Speaker 4: an asset, which is fascinating again in this broader conversation

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Speaker 4: about what actually is populism on the right and what

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Speaker 4: populism is on the left. This is a billionaire who's

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Speaker 4: very close He's a billionaire defense contractor, very close to

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Speaker 4: all of these foreign leaders right, very much tethered or

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Speaker 4: very much entangled with the US government campaign on behalf

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Speaker 4: of Donald Trump, who you know, it just is so

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Speaker 4: different than at least Donald Trump purports to be so

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Speaker 4: different than the Union Party or the Beltwegh or the swamp.

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Speaker 4: And yet Elon Musk has been kind of entangled in

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Speaker 4: the swamp for a very long time. Democrats are sending

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Speaker 4: out Dick Cheney or I'm sorry, Liz Cheney, saying nice

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Speaker 4: things about Dick Cheney and then going after Elon Musk.

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk does have the biography of somebody who people hate,

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Speaker 3: a you know, a billionaire defense contractor, you know, living

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Speaker 3: off the government doll while preaching libertarian free market values. However,

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Speaker 3: you have to acknowledge that Elon Musk is a nique

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Speaker 3: figure like he he doesn't that that's the beginning of

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Speaker 3: the description of Elon Musk, but it's not the end

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Speaker 3: of it. And up until fairly recently, his overall popularity

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Speaker 3: among Democrats, Independence and Republicans was through the roof people

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Speaker 3: really loved him. In fact, liberals were the ones who

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Speaker 3: were buying all of his solar panels and his and

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Speaker 3: his testless that like it. But as he has become

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Speaker 3: this right wing partisan figure, his numbers, particularly among Democrats,

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Speaker 3: have plummeted, and he's now under fifty percent when it

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Speaker 3: comes you know, they'll do polls that say do you

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Speaker 3: have a positive or negative view of Elon Musk, and

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Speaker 3: he's now under fifty percent. He used to be way

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Speaker 3: above it. In a polarized world where you are a

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Speaker 3: partisan warrior, that's just necessarily going to be the case.

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Speaker 3: And so I think Walls is certainly you know, he's

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Speaker 3: prett reaching to an audience there that is already primed

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Speaker 3: to hate him, just because he's so strongly supportive of

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. I don't necessarily think. I think Elon Musk

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Speaker 3: is trying to buy the election. Is Land's hard because

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Speaker 3: he's spending He already puts seventy five million dollars into

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Speaker 3: an America pack, right. That's that's a billionaire trying to

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Speaker 3: buy the election. The thing where he's doing a goofy

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Speaker 3: lottery where he pays people who sign his petition one

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Speaker 3: hundred bucks or forty seven dollars a million dollars and

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Speaker 3: then a million dollars day to one random person, I

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Speaker 3: think that lands less hard, even though it's crime. You

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you.

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Speaker 4: That if George Soros did that in Pennsylvania, the reactions

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Speaker 4: on the right would be through the.

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Speaker 3: Route you very quite literally, specifically explicitly cannot do that.

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Speaker 3: It's against the law. But also this is America, and

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Speaker 3: people are like that should be fine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, of course, but yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 4: think I don't think actually there's anything wrong political with

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Speaker 4: Tim Walls making this line, because I think this is

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Speaker 4: very much the mood of the country right now. Is

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Speaker 4: it's much closer to saying that guy is literally the

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Speaker 4: richest man in the world spending millions of dollars to

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Speaker 4: help Donald Trump by an election. That's the Walls quote.

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Speaker 4: I think most Americans would more Americans would sympathize with

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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean they would dislike Elon Musk. I just

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Speaker 4: think that's a smart case to make. Whether it's you're

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Speaker 4: making the case against the billionaires that are back in

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Speaker 4: the Harris campaign or the billionaires backing the Trump campaign.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of the mood, right, yeah, exactly, speaking of

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Speaker 3: billionaires with huge egos who may or may not be

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Speaker 3: helpful to the candidate that they're ostensibly trying to support.

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Speaker 3: Mark Cuban running around the country underminding Kamala Harris with voters.

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Speaker 3: He thinks he's to lift her up with Wall Street.

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Speaker 4: There's an argument this is very effective.

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Speaker 3: I mean what expect tax rate?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, but effective also for convincing she has to

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Speaker 4: win New York, convincing his peers, well yeah, convincing his

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Speaker 4: peers that it's okay to donate to her.

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Speaker 3: Who gives a rip? If she has a billion dollars,

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Speaker 3: she's going to finish the campaign with money in the bank.

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Speaker 4: Well let's yeah, let's take a listen to this, SANBC

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Speaker 4: st We'll play this. This is B three.

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Speaker 11: I said, why are you letting Mark Cuban be out

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Speaker 11: here being the face of this, Why aren't you saying

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Speaker 11: it yourself when it is something that matters to so

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Speaker 11: many people, because.

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Speaker 4: They don't want to alien other voters.

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Speaker 11: That's the big that's a big, of course, the big

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Speaker 11: thing out there. And when I said this matters to

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Speaker 11: so many people, someone told me yesterday they would tell

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Speaker 11: you you're crazy if you said it's the campaign that

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Speaker 11: this matters. The defense is that this isn't something they

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Speaker 11: think is really going to be a moving issue in

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Speaker 11: the last two weeks of the campaign, so they.

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Speaker 4: Don't want touch it.

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Speaker 11: They don't want to alienate, but that they don't want.

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Speaker 7: To alienate the base, but they also don't want to

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Speaker 7: alienate their big donors.

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Speaker 11: That's the issue they run exactly, and I guess with

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Speaker 11: two weeks left, they'd rather just like Cuban talk about it,

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Speaker 11: even when Trump's going on the attack. They say, we

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Speaker 11: don't want to make it more of a thing by

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Speaker 11: having Harris herself come out and say it. But I

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Speaker 11: agree with you. Especially reporting on this campaign, trying to

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Speaker 11: get concrete details out of them, it's been really difficult.

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Speaker 3: So the substance of the dispute here is that the

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Speaker 3: Harris campaign had said it supported some type of a

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Speaker 3: wealth tax on billionaires. Mark Cuban went out and said,

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Speaker 3: don't worry about that. She's not actually going to do that.

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Speaker 3: Trust me. He publicly said that, yeah, as in a

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Speaker 3: and he is. That's he's not just a friend of hers.

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Speaker 3: He's not just a guy. He's what they call in

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Speaker 3: campaign world, an official surrogate. In other words, what he

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Speaker 3: says can be tied to the campaign.

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Speaker 4: His media appearances are presumably being if you're a surrogate,

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Speaker 4: that means you're presumably your media appearances are being coordinated

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Speaker 4: by the camp.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: The difference is that he's a billionaire, and so he

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Speaker 3: does what he wants, and that's the problem with having

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Speaker 3: a billionaire surrogate and so. But he has also said,

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Speaker 3: when asked about Lena Kahan and Gary genslearn whether or

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Speaker 3: not Kamala Harris, you know, supports what they've been up to.

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Speaker 3: He has said, she has told me to go out

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Speaker 3: and say that she does not support. He calls it

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Speaker 3: regulation by litigation, which is also otherwise known as law enforcement,

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Speaker 3: otherwise known as when these companies break the law, you

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Speaker 3: take them the court or you charge them criminally. And

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Speaker 3: he's out there saying that she doesn't support that. He's

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Speaker 3: been part of the campaign to get rid of Lena

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Speaker 3: Coot and is a storygate on the campaign out there

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Speaker 3: like undermining.

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Speaker 4: Her, right, And I mean he's very transparent at least

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Speaker 4: about his thought processes on X. Not dissimilar to Trump.

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Speaker 4: It must be a billionaire thing, and truly I think

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Speaker 4: it is a billionaire thing.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: When you have that much power, you feel comfortable like

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Speaker 4: inviting people into your thought process because you're super confident,

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Speaker 4: your ego is pretty rock solid. So it doesn't strike

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Speaker 4: you as something that could be damaging to the campaign

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Speaker 4: because your Mark Fan Cuban or you're Donald Trump, like,

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Speaker 4: it just doesn't strike you as something that can be

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Speaker 4: a vulnerability.

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Speaker 3: A top Biden economic advisor, Brian Diese, who all of

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Speaker 3: these top advisors have hung around and are advising Kamala Arris.

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Speaker 3: It was reported recently that he is a supporter of

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Speaker 3: Lena Khan, Gary Gensler, this kind of network, this network

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Speaker 3: of kind of populist financial regulators, and that was read

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Speaker 3: on Waltreet as, oh wait, maybe maybe we're actually being

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Speaker 3: strung along here and that the anchor's point was the

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Speaker 3: right one, that she actually doesn't have the political will

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Speaker 3: to get rid of Lena Kahan, but there's no reason

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Speaker 3: for her to alienate all of her donors at this moment.

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Speaker 3: On the other hand, maybe she does have the will

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Speaker 3: to do it.

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Speaker 4: So Jamie Diamond is also this was just the last

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Speaker 4: twenty four hours in New York Times, Is reported basically

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Speaker 4: that Jamie Diamond and Bill Gates are quietly lending their

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Speaker 4: support to Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 3: I think James Dates a bunch of money too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Jamie Diamond's been a little bit less quiet

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Speaker 4: about it. He's actually said he would consider a role

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Speaker 4: in the administration. So another kind of Musk esque type

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Speaker 4: person thinking about, hey, maybe I could be Treasury secretary.

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Speaker 4: Axio says he would likely, He says he considered role

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Speaker 4: in her administration. Quote likely Treasury secretary. Treasury secretary, which yes,

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Speaker 4: you can easily. I mean Trump brought in like half

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Speaker 4: of Goldman's sacks.

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Speaker 3: From the suite. It's a very Clintonian vision. And we're

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Speaker 3: going to find out if Biden's four years of really

736
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Speaker 3: breaking from neoliberalism when it came to their economic policy

737
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Speaker 3: was just an aberration, yeah, or if and and that

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Speaker 3: Kama is going to try to take them right back

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Speaker 3: under the Clintonian glide path. But it is very disturbing

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Speaker 3: from a left wing perspective to see people like Jamie

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Speaker 3: Diamond or Liz Cheney or Dick Cheney seeing the Kamala

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Speaker 3: Harris campaign and saying, Oh, that looks nice. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to join that.

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Speaker 4: Right and it signals that they think they have a

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Speaker 4: sort of influenced, significant influence they do. Speaking of which,

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Speaker 4: while Tim Walls is talking about the world's richards man

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Speaker 4: going in on the Trump campaign, I just want to

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Speaker 4: pull up this article from the Washington Examiner Gab Kaminski,

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Speaker 4: who we've talked to before. He's a great young reporter.

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Speaker 4: He wrote a story called Meet Kamala Harris's Influential Mega Donors,

751
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Speaker 4: outlining Reid Hoffman's influence, Michael Bloomberg's influence, people like Dustin Moskovitz,

752
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Speaker 4: you can go down, George and Alex Soros, James and

753
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Speaker 4: Catherine Murdock. It's a really interesting story. Jeffrey Katzenberg. Of course,

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Speaker 4: because the sad read of Tim Waltz going after Elon Musk,

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Speaker 4: that sort of populace vein is that neither party and

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Speaker 4: our viewers and listeners obviously know this has any claim

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Speaker 4: to be against big money in politics. There's just literally no.

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Speaker 3: True that Aras campaign has been open arms to these folks. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then finally to cap off both of these segments,

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Speaker 3: just utterly hilarious, delightful Donald Trump clip at his rally

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Speaker 3: yesterday talking about Arabs and Muslims. And watch as you're

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Speaker 3: watching this clip, I think, tell me if you tell me,

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Speaker 3: if you agree afterwards and you notice something he's there's

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Speaker 3: a message that he is being told is going to work,

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Speaker 3: and he's and he's talked to he had he's had

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Speaker 3: calls with a bunch of Arab American mayors who have

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Speaker 3: joined his campaign or endorsing him. So he's heard directly

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Speaker 3: from them. He knows the messages uh that work with

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Speaker 3: with them and with the audience, which is you know

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Speaker 3: that you know Biden and Harris are killing their family

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Speaker 3: members in Lebanon and in Palestine. Uh and they're a

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Speaker 3: complete failure when it comes to their militarism.

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Speaker 12: Uh.

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Speaker 3: So he understands that that's the message and that he

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Speaker 3: if he presents himself as the Canadate piece who's going

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Speaker 3: to put an end to this that works for him.

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Speaker 3: What he really wants to say is that Liz Cheney

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Speaker 3: is an adult and a moron. And so as you watch

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Speaker 3: this clip, there's this gravitational pull of what Trump wants

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Speaker 3: to say that keeps pulling him back into trashing Liz

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Speaker 3: Cheney for being a moron.

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Speaker 6: Why would Muslim support Lion Kamala Harris when she embraces

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Speaker 6: Muslim hating and very dumb person Liz Chack dumb person who,

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Speaker 6: by the way, lost for Congress in the biggest margin

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Speaker 6: in the history of politics. She lost by almost forty points.

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Speaker 6: The reason she has that honor is that most people,

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Speaker 6: most people wouldn't have stayed in a congressperson that's in

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Speaker 6: that position normally retires before the election, which would have

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Speaker 6: been a good idea for her to do. But Liz

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Speaker 6: Chaney's a total loser. But her father brought years of

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Speaker 6: war and death to the Middle East. He killed many Arabs,

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Speaker 6: many many Arabs and Muslims. And now Lion Kamala has

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Speaker 6: embraced Liz Cheney. She embraced her, And why would a

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Speaker 6: Muslim or why would an Arab want to vote for

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Speaker 6: somebody that has Liz Cheney as her hero. Liz Cheney

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Speaker 6: is a failed, totally failed politician. Again, she set the

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Speaker 6: worst record. I think it's a terrible mistake that she's met.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a great insult to Muslims all over

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Speaker 6: the world. And I think that she's going to do

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Speaker 6: very bad in Michigan. I really do. I think she's

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Speaker 6: going to.

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Speaker 3: Do very badly.

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Speaker 6: To do that was a bad thing, and I was

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Speaker 6: very surprised to see it.

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Speaker 11: Ran.

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Speaker 4: I actually want to put some numbers on this because

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Speaker 4: Matt carp revealed some results from the Center for Working

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Speaker 4: Class Politics that are somewhat relevant here. He said, we

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Speaker 4: surveyed this was yesterday one thousand Pennsylvania registered voters and

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Speaker 4: found that calling Trump a threat to democracy is Kamala

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Speaker 4: Harris's least effective message with all voters, but also especially

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Speaker 4: with working class voters. And it's that tension. It's the

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Speaker 4: balance between needing to appeal to as many possible demographics

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Speaker 4: while also not suppressing the vote or turning off voters

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Speaker 4: in the other slices of the pie that you need

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Speaker 4: in order to put the math together for the electoral college.

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Speaker 4: So if by using Liz Cheney and hammering this democracy, democracy,

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Speaker 4: democracy message over and over again, which gets picked up

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Speaker 4: by NBC and all these places that people actually watch

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Speaker 4: nightly news. Whatever are you turning off voters that you

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Speaker 4: might otherwise have. I don't know. I mean, that's a

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Speaker 4: pretty difficult question for the Harris campaign.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's certainly turning off Arab American voters. The new

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Speaker 3: poll out has Trump up forty five forty three with

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Speaker 3: Arab Americans, which replicates an earlier poll from the Arab

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Speaker 3: American Institute which found him up forty two to forty

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Speaker 3: one among Arab Americans. You don't have to have that

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Speaker 3: long of a memory to remember what Dick Cheney did,

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Speaker 3: what the Bush administration did to the Mid East. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like that's and in the com if you are, if

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Speaker 3: you understand and remember that, and you are viewing what's

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Speaker 3: happening now with Gaza and with Lebanon and soon with

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Speaker 3: Iran through that prism, it just makes you that much

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Speaker 3: less sympathetic to the administration's position and that much more

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Speaker 3: certain that they actually hate you and are okay with

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Speaker 3: you and your family being being slaughtered and cut to pieces.

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Speaker 4: We've one more stot. This was Kamala Harris on Hallie

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Speaker 4: Jackson's show NBC News yesterday. Let's roll this one. It's

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Speaker 4: going to be B two.

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Speaker 13: We are sitting here two weeks away from election night.

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Speaker 13: Last election, the former president came out on election night

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Speaker 13: and declared victory before all the votes were counted. What

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Speaker 13: is your plan if he does that again in two weeks?

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Speaker 4: Well, let me say this.

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Speaker 14: We've got two weeks to go, and I'm very much

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Speaker 14: grounded in the present in terms of the task at hand,

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Speaker 14: and we will deal with election night and the days

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Speaker 14: after as they come, and we have the resources and

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Speaker 14: the expertise and the focus on that as well.

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Speaker 13: So my team is ready to go. Is that what

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Speaker 13: you're saying? Are you thinking about that as a possibility?

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Speaker 14: Of course, this is a person, Donald Trump, who tried

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Speaker 14: to undo the free and fair election, who still denies

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Speaker 14: the will of the people, who incited a violent mob

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Speaker 14: to attack the United States capital, and one hundred and

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Speaker 14: forty law enforcement officers were.

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Speaker 4: Attacked, some who are were killed. This is a serious matter.

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Speaker 14: The American people are at this point, two weeks out,

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Speaker 14: being presented with a very very serious decision.

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Speaker 3: I do think what most people are rooting for is

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Speaker 3: that whoever wins wins convincingly.

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Speaker 4: You No, that's the note, Like if people could vote

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Speaker 4: just for that right, not even for a candidate, but

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Speaker 4: just forly clarity.

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Speaker 3: Like somebody please win this in a comfortable enough fashion.

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Speaker 3: Even though Biden won by what seven million votes, we

867
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: knew it was raised within in three states that decided

868
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Speaker 3: the outcome.

869
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Speaker 4: We knew what was likely to happen by midnight an

870
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 4: election day, but we just didn't have certainty really until

871
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, five plus days after.

872
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: Well, the other problem if you remember election night, it

873
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 3: was like three am when the Wisconsin votes finally came in,

874
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: which you knew was going to happen. Like, if you

875
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 3: were following it, that was not surprising, But if you

876
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 3: weren't following it, you're like, wait a minute, three am,

877
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 3: they get all the boats and oh my god lost

878
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: it sounds like fraud.

879
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it felt like a car crash that you were

880
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 4: watching in slow motion play out. So yeah, that's I guess.

881
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 4: Hope for more clarity on election night, but I don't

882
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 4: think that we are going to get it. One of

883
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Speaker 4: the most important races to watch is the Nebraska Senate

884
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 4: competition between deb Fisher and Dan Osborne. Dan Osborne was

885
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 4: a guest on this show really before anybody was paying

886
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 4: attention to him, except for, of course Ryan Grimm, who

887
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: had his thumb firmly on the pulse of Nebraska politics. Ryan,

888
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 4: you have a new report out and drop site, and

889
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 4: some of it is exclusive that we're going to share

890
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 4: right here.

891
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can add this in post story that went

892
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 3: up on drop Site News this morning. A new poll

893
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 3: has has Dan Osborne up was a forty eight forty

894
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: six I believe. So this is the at least the

895
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Speaker 3: third recent poll that has found Dan Osborne, the kind

896
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Speaker 3: of populist independent Nebraska up over deb Fisher. A previous

897
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: one had found him all the way at fifty percent.

898
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: So over the last several weeks, things have definitely been

899
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: pushing in his direction. So here's why this race matters

900
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 3: so much. Democrats ended up with Osborne running as an

901
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 3: independent and gaining a lot of steam as an independent

902
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: and refusing their endorsement. They ended up not even nominating

903
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: a candidate. They said, forget it. We're sick of getting

904
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: wiped out by twenty points every time anyway, so let's

905
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 3: just see what happens with Osborne. Deb Fisher completely slept

906
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: on this race. She has woken up over the last

907
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: couple of weeks as the polls have shown her behind him.

908
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 4: The NRSC completely slept on this race.

909
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 3: They s Republicans.

910
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 4: That's a National Republican centatorial committee.

911
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: They looked, they looked at the race, and they said

912
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: that the math just isn't possible for anybody other than

913
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: a Republican to win this race.

914
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 4: That's therapy plus twenty state.

915
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 3: But Osborne has a biography that a campaign consultant would

916
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 3: dream of. He started working in the Omaha Kellogg's plant

917
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 3: as an industrial mechanic in two thousand and four, and

918
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: then in twenty twenty one, when Kellogg tried to shut

919
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: the plant down and tried to cut their pay, he

920
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: led a strike that kind of captivated the state's attention,

921
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 3: and they won that strike and got a strong contract,

922
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: such a strong contract that they later maneuvered to get

923
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Speaker 3: rid of him. His best revenge running for Senate. Then,

924
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: I also served in the Navy, the National Guard, so

925
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: doesn't have a college degree, just supported his family with

926
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Speaker 3: the union job, which was the kind of twentieth century

927
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 3: American dream. He also is like many in Nebraska, personally

928
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 3: culturally conservative but politically more libertarian.

929
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 4: All right, He told us he was personally pro life,

930
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 4: but that he is.

931
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Speaker 3: Would we can roll some of that here from our

932
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: interview last time that he joined us on the program,

933
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 3: We played us here if there was a bill that

934
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Speaker 3: came to the Senate floor that would codify Roe v. Wade,

935
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: would you vote to support that? And how big an

936
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: issue are abortion rights in the Nebraska Senate races fairly

937
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: conservative state, but then again abortion rights traumped in nearby Kansas. Correct,

938
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: it did.

939
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 15: And it is also about initiative in Nebraska, as is

940
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 15: the legalization of medical cannabis is going to be on

941
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 15: the ballot as well. And you know, I always divert

942
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 15: back to the Constitution of the United States and the

943
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 15: founding fathers and how they envisioned the country. And they

944
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 15: envisioned the federal government take care of the big stuff,

945
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 15: the economy, the border, foreign affairs, things like that. And

946
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 15: I don't think the United States government should be meddling

947
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 15: in our personal affairs, whether that's at the doctor's office

948
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 15: or our bedrooms.

949
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 3: I truly believe that, And so you know, I would

950
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 3: I codify Roe v.

951
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 16: Wade you know that goes that boils down to also

952
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 16: the federal government should be taking care of our individual liberties,

953
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 16: right the Second Amendment, things like that, And so I

954
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 16: believe that does fall under the category of an individual liberty.

955
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 16: Look in my own personal life, I'm on a percent

956
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 16: pro life. I would never advocate for anyone that I

957
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 16: know or love to have that procedure. But if I

958
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 16: also know that I'm a male and I don't have

959
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 16: a womban, I would never advocate for women to have

960
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 16: that choice. And I know pregnancy is a very difficult

961
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 16: thing and that it does need to be available for

962
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 16: women who need that procedure because it could be life threatening.

963
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 4: So you can tell that he's not a professional politician

964
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 4: from all of them, right, which is in some ways endearing.

965
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 4: I might disagree with what he said in the answer,

966
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 4: but I think a lot of people I actually think Donald.

967
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 3: Probably what he actually thinks, which is a shocking thing

968
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: for a politician.

969
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 4: I think Donald Trump would watch that and think he's

970
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: a fairly competitive.

971
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: FANDID Yeah, if Trump is bio, if Trump has a

972
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: heart of hearts, and he sat down with deb Fisher

973
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: and sat down with Dan Osborne, there's no question who

974
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: he's endorsing there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But he doesn't have

975
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 3: a heart of hearts. He's the leader of the Publican Party,

976
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 3: so he's he cut an ad for deb Fisher from

977
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 3: his private plane where he's saying Dan Osborne is a

978
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: Democrat in disguise. Vote for deb Fisher and that's the

979
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: message that Republicans are hoping is going to break through. Right,

980
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 3: how do you think it will?

981
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 4: I mean, so there's something to what we're hearing from

982
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 4: people inside GP circles, which is that this race is

983
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 4: in a he might be doing well, he might come close,

984
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, Nebraska is a

985
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 4: Trump plus twenty states. So you described this before we

986
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 4: went to air. There's a gravity there. There's a momentum

987
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 4: for Republicans that is hard for literally anybody to overcome.

988
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 4: So I think there's something to that for sure. Osborne, though,

989
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 4: is not coded in a way for you know, the

990
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 4: average voter that's going to make him really easily pinned

991
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 4: to the far left and even the kind of squishy

992
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 4: center Democratic Party that doesn't have a great brand in Nebraska.

993
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 4: I mean, he's coded in a way that you would

994
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 4: think the guy is a Republican. You think he was

995
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 4: kind of maga, so don't. I think there's something too

996
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 4: that I think it's powerful. But basically, we reached out

997
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 4: to the NRSC for comment, don't have a comment from them.

998
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 4: One thing I heard from a Republican strategist about the

999
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 4: race is their sense is that Osborne is tapped out

1000
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 4: and has hit a ceiling. And so it's two weeks

1001
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 4: before election day, and that's absolutely something that happens. Someone

1002
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 4: gets a sturge of momentum, a bunch of money pours

1003
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 4: into the they start polling very well. In fact, you

1004
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: could argue this happened with Kamala Harris and peaks too early,

1005
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 4: so it's not impossible that's what happened. But these poles,

1006
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 4: I mean where you have, so his internal as you

1007
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 4: reported at drop site, it has him up by two points.

1008
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 4: This is the recent poll from deb Fisher. This was

1009
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 4: from October twelfth to fifteenth. It has her up by

1010
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 4: seven points. It has Osbourne at forty four percent. But

1011
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 4: his poll from October ninth to twelfth had him at

1012
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 4: fifty percent as you mentioned, and had Fisher at the

1013
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 4: reverse down at forty four percent. So that's plus six

1014
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 4: for him. There was an Independent Center. They sponsored a

1015
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 4: poll that was at the end of September that had

1016
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 4: Osborne up five so it wasn't a poll from either

1017
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 4: of the campaign. It had him forty seven to forty two.

1018
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: Although they have you know, it's the Independence Center. You

1019
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: just tell from the name that they have an interest

1020
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: in an independent doing well. Yes, of which we do too, because.

1021
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 17: It's yeah, we'd love to see this is dooptly broken

1022
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 17: by a populouce, a union mechanic who pushes the Democratic

1023
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 17: Party aside and then beats a corporate back Republican in Nebraska.

1024
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 3: But you're right that I think if the election were today,

1025
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 3: he's the favorite. But that is not today. Now the

1026
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 3: mail in voting is happening, which is good for him.

1027
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: Can he There'll be two weeks of millions of dollars

1028
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 3: spent calling him a Democrat. Being a Democrat Nebraska hurts.

1029
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 3: The poll shows right now that Donald Trump is winning

1030
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 3: ninety four percent of Republican voters and deb Fisher is

1031
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 3: winning eighty percent of Republican voters. That fourteen point gap

1032
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 3: is Osborne's path to victory. That fourteen percent of Republicans

1033
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: who are going to vote Trump Osborne puts Osborne in

1034
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 3: the Senate. She is going to try to She's going

1035
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: to spend every penny she has to close that gap.

1036
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 3: So if by election dayur or this, ninety six percent

1037
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: of Republicans vote for Trump and eighty nine percent vote

1038
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: for deb Fisher, then Deb Fisher wins if she can

1039
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 3: close that gap. There are so many Republicans in Nebraska

1040
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: that if she can close that just a little bit,

1041
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: she wins. Yeah. So for him to keep the jaws

1042
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 3: of that gap open require him to fight against this

1043
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 3: polarization and this gravitational pull towards party preference over people's

1044
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 3: actual respect and support for him.

1045
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 4: Yeah. Interesting, And you know they are to your point

1046
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 4: now that Republicans even get the sense poking around on

1047
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 4: this that they've finally realized that they have a situation

1048
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 4: on their hands because control of the Senate is so tight.

1049
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 4: Don Osborne is obviously at this point, he's obviously proven

1050
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 4: himself to be a serious candidate, and it's unpredictable. So

1051
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 4: there's going to be so much money pouring into Nebraska.

1052
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 4: McConnell and McConnell's allies. Deb Fisher is super close with

1053
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 4: the Pentagon those types of wings. So there's plenty of

1054
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 4: money going around to support deub Fisher.

1055
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: Problem for her is that there's only so much money

1056
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: you can spend in Nebraska because you have basically the

1057
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: Omaha TV market and people only watch so much TV

1058
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 3: and there's only so many, you know, evening news programs,

1059
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: because you want to advertise on sports and news like

1060
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 3: that's that's what that's where you want to put your

1061
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: ads because those are the things that people watch live. Yeah,

1062
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 3: and you put your ads on anything else. For the

1063
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 3: most part, people are going to skip skip over the ads.

1064
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 4: And expect it to be that Dan Osborne, the line

1065
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 4: is going to be he's a wolf in sheep's clothing

1066
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 4: because he hasn't really given an answer. I think this

1067
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 4: is fair from a conservative perspective. He hasn't really given

1068
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 4: a clear answer. We asked him this about whether he

1069
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 4: would caucus with the Democrats or Republicans or just not

1070
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 4: caucus because you know, like Bernie Sanders, if you would

1071
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 4: be an independent in the Senate, it's a huge question

1072
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 4: who you caucus with because it will likely give there's

1073
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 4: an indication of which party you're going to side with,

1074
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 4: especially on the important questions so I think that's what

1075
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 4: they're going to hit him on over.

1076
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: Sure they are, and they will.

1077
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 4: Just a far left guy who's trying to convince you

1078
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 4: he's maga.

1079
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they're trying to tie him to Bernie, which

1080
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 3: would be uh interesting if he could, if they If

1081
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Speaker 3: that works and he still wins, well.

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Speaker 4: We'll keep following the s race for sure. Now let's

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00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 4: move over to McDonald's, which you know this is it's

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00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 4: sort of a funny story, but it's actually a really

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00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 4: serious story as well, because as funny as it is

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Speaker 4: that Donald Trump just made this trip to McDonald's and

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Speaker 4: then a couple of days later there's an e Coli outbreak.

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00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 4: So the memes have predictably been good, but forty nine

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Speaker 4: people in ten states have been sickened by this, and

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Speaker 4: an older person in Colorado actually died from this a

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Speaker 4: COOLi outbreak, which the CDC. If you go to their website,

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Speaker 4: it's right there. It says investigations start date October twenty second,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, yesterday, and on their food safety alert

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Speaker 4: they say this is a fast moving outbreak investigation. Most

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00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 4: sick people are reporting eating quarter pounder hamburgers for McDonald's

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00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 4: and investigators are working quickly to confirm which food ingredient

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Speaker 4: is contaminated. So looks like they have some reason we

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Speaker 4: can put d one up on the screen. This is

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Speaker 4: the New York Times breakdown of the story. Looks like

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Speaker 4: they have some good reason to believe that it's specifically

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Speaker 4: linked to the quarter pounder. But you know, this is

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Speaker 4: hitting people especially hard in the West, so Colorado. New

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Speaker 4: York Times lists Colorado, Kansas, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Iowa, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada,

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Speaker 4: New Mexico, and Oklahoma. A lot of this, though, has

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00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,479
Speaker 4: been speaking of Nebraska. A lot of this has come

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Speaker 4: from Colorado and Nebraska, so really awful situation. McDonald's obviously

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Speaker 4: is taking these ingredients out to the best that they can,

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Speaker 4: so we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 3: The border in that image looked really good though, despite

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Speaker 3: the uh no.

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Speaker 4: Since Trump went to McDonald's, I have really wanted McDonald's

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Speaker 4: because it's just been people have I've been posting so

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Speaker 4: much about McDonald's.

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Speaker 3: I really feel like we're at a point where McDonald

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01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 3: should just like give it up with the actual meat,

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Speaker 3: Like we're at a place the fake meat tastes the

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01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: same as their their fake meat that has meat in it.

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01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: So so why like why just if you're if you're

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Speaker 3: actually now killing people like one person, you know, ten people,

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Speaker 3: ten people have been hospitalized, one died so far. It

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Speaker 3: takes several days, you know, for this to work its

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Speaker 3: way through your system until you wind up in the

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Speaker 3: in the hospital or sick. And so there could be

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Speaker 3: more cases of this. Hopefully, hopefully this is the end

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Speaker 3: of it. But the climate, the climate effects are like

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Speaker 3: profound for the amount of meat we consume, and if

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Speaker 3: it's and if we can't do it safely, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: really even taste that much different. Come on, like those

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Speaker 3: chicken like really those chicken nuggets need to have chicken

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Speaker 3: in them. Nobody believes that there's really that much chicken

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Speaker 3: in those chicken nuggets anyway, So let's just go, let's

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Speaker 3: just go all the way things.

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Speaker 4: Well, the sad thing is there is chicken and the

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Speaker 4: chicken nuggets, and the chickens are not you know, very

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Speaker 4: happy chickens.

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Speaker 3: Well, those are unhappy chickens.

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Speaker 4: Which is I think there's something of a reckoning happening,

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01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 4: just whether it's maha and maga, like having this unlikely

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Speaker 4: marriage where you get like populist left and crunchy populist

1140
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 4: crunchry populist left coming together with the newly crunchy populist right.

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Speaker 4: It's not a huge part of the country, but it's

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Speaker 4: significant enough that I think there's a real momentum shift

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Speaker 4: against some of our older food practice.

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Speaker 3: It's also existential in the sense that you're blasting all

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Speaker 3: these factory farmed animals full of antibiotics. They can overcome

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Speaker 3: the cruel and horrific conditions that they're in, which then

1147
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 3: if you only care about humans, makes you know it's

1148
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: not good for you to just be constantly ingesting antibiotics

1149
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 3: that already went through an animal. And it makes more,

1150
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 3: you know, antibiotic resistant bacteria than the fact that we're

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Speaker 3: talking about a bacterial and action here.

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Speaker 4: It is not a coincidence their stock is plunging. There's

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Speaker 4: some reason to believe it looks like from the reporting

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Speaker 4: that this was linked to onions because there's much meat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah somethe sure, no meat plan it wasn't. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 4: we'll see, but this is from NBC. They say McDonald's

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Speaker 4: is working with public health officials. According to the CDC,

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Speaker 4: the fast food chain has stopped using the slivered onions

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Speaker 4: and quarter pound beef patties in several states. McDonald's said

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Speaker 4: in a statement Tuesday that its initial findings from the

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Speaker 4: investigation indicate that a subset of illness is maybe linked

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Speaker 4: to slivered onions used in the quarter pounder and sourced

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Speaker 4: by a single supplier that serves three distribution centers, which

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Speaker 4: would make sense given the pattern of the spread. Now,

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Speaker 4: this is this is something that an expert echoed as well,

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Speaker 4: that the onions are kind of notoriously a difficult which

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize, but sort of notoriously difficult to control

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Speaker 4: the e coali potentially people getting sick outbreaks of So

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Speaker 4: just a proto for everybody maybe be worried about your onions.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 4: But Donald Trump actually is sort of infamous for loving

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Speaker 4: McDonald's because it's so right. He believes that fast food restaurants,

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Speaker 4: and not incorrectly, fast food restaurants are so industrialized that

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Speaker 4: their health standards and their cleanliness standards, like they are

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Speaker 4: held to the absolute highest standards because anything like this

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Speaker 4: is so damaging to their business. They're under microscopes and

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Speaker 4: there they just have this Rinsen repeat operation around the

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Speaker 4: country that he goes to fast food restaurants because he

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Speaker 4: trusted the cleanliness. There was this moment when he's scooping

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Speaker 4: the fries the other day into the fried box whatever.

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01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 4: He turns to the camera and goes amazing, never touches

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Speaker 4: the human hands. Yeah, but I mean bad news, bad news.

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Speaker 4: That's something well, stay safe thought there everyone, in all seriousness,

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Speaker 4: this is you know, can can be incredibly incredibly serious,

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 4: especially to folks out west. So again, stay safe. Let's

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01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 4: move on to Ryan where you have an exclusive report

1187
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 4: from a reporter on the ground, a drop site news

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01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 4: reporter on the ground in Havana.

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Speaker 3: Last Friday, the entire island of Cuba was plunged into

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Speaker 3: darkness as a result of a power outage. You can

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Speaker 3: put up E two on the screen. It was the

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Speaker 3: most significant power outage in the history of Cuba since

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Speaker 3: the revolution. I put up E one here. This is

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Speaker 3: just an example of, you know what, the absolutely extraordinary

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Speaker 3: event which didn't start to be it didn't start to

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01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 3: kind of unravel itself to become fixed to get the

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Speaker 3: lights back on until yesterday. We're going to talk about,

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Speaker 3: you know where why this is happening where this is

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Speaker 3: where this is coming from, but over at a drop site.

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Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago, we published this really fascinating

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01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 3: look at Biden's we'll call it a sanctions regime, but

1202
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 3: so much of what he's doing goes beyond sanctions to

1203
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 3: Cuba and the way that that is impacting the economy there.

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Speaker 3: That piece was written by Ed Augustine, who was a

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Speaker 3: journalist who was based in Havana, so we asked him

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Speaker 3: yesterday to send us a little dispatch about what it

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01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: has been like over the last five days in Havana

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Speaker 3: where this is coming from. Here's Ed Augustine.

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Speaker 18: I'm reporting from South Havana, where finally, after four days

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Speaker 18: of nationwide rolling paraguts, the lights are finally back on.

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Speaker 18: I see yesterday afternoon when the lights came back on

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Speaker 18: and people were cheering, and you can well imagine why.

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Speaker 18: It doesn't take much to imagine how difficult life very

1214
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 18: quickly becomes without electricity, no lights at nights, no air conditioning,

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01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 18: no fans to keep the mosquitos and tropical diseases that

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01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 18: they carry away, but also problems with the water. Millions

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01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 18: of people haven't had running water in Cuba for the

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01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 18: last five days because the water pumps were electricity. Same

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01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 18: story for gas cooking. Gas was losing pressure and was

1220
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 18: out in parts of Havana. Having said that, the feeling

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01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 18: on the ground was a little bit more calm than

1222
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 18: one might have presumed. If this was to have happened

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Speaker 18: in my own country, the UK people would have completely

1224
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 18: lost the plot. And people were stressed here and worried,

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01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 18: but not as much as you might think. Cubans are

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01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 18: very resilient or preperion. I've WAPs put up, put up

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Speaker 18: with far too much. But I was interviewing people yesterday

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01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 18: and they said, no, it wasn't a big deal. We're

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Speaker 18: used to power cuts.

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Speaker 4: We've been through this for sixty years.

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Speaker 18: This was the biggest one in Havana that's ever happened.

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Speaker 18: But people kind of shrug and many people even joke

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Speaker 18: about it.

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Speaker 4: That's a very Cuban thing.

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Speaker 18: Right now, in Havana, over ninety percent of the city

1236
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 18: has electricity, but it's a different story for the rest

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01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 18: of the country. The national breed is up that is working,

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01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 18: but there are still millions of people in this country

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Speaker 18: of approximately ten.

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Speaker 4: Million people that don't have any then have an.

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Speaker 18: Electricity right now. The government clearly priority is political reason

1242
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 18: is the capital. They don't want any unrest as they

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01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 18: would see it. Why is this happening Two main reasons.

1244
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 18: First and foremost US economic alfare Cuba has been sanctioned

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01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 18: for longer than any other country in recorded history, and

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01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 18: right now the US Treasury Department sanctions some oil tankers

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01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 18: that have previously docked in Cuba, and so that dissuades

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01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 18: other strongly dissuades other oil tankers from selling oil to

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Speaker 18: Cuba dealing with Cuba, that dries up costs. So that's

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Speaker 18: just one of hundreds of measures the Cuba currently has

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Speaker 18: that the US currently has on Cuba, the aim of

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01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 18: which is to provoke crises and desperation so that people

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Speaker 18: rise up and over their government. The other major reason

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Speaker 18: economicness management a failed planned vertically planned economic model. There's

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Speaker 18: complete consensus or almost complete consensus in Cuba the current economy

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01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 18: is not working, and the Cuban government, despite having their

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01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 18: own foot program, have failed to update this system over

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Speaker 18: recent decades that today in Havana a sense of relief.

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Speaker 18: The crisis isn't over. Still massive problems and tens of

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01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 18: being able to afford enough petrol, but relief and pens

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Speaker 18: a couple days ago.

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Speaker 3: So he made a couple of interesting points there, and

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01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 3: if you go back and read his piece, then we

1264
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: can put up E four here. This is his piece

1265
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 3: that he wrote for dropsite. He talks a lot about

1266
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 3: the State Sponsor of Terrorism designation, and so the Obama

1267
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen normalized, basically normalized relations with Cuba and

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01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 3: took them off this State Sponsor of Terror list. Trump,

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01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 3: as kind of a last act, kind of a little

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01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 3: thank you to his friends down in South Florida, put

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01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 3: them back on the list. And people expected that Biden

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01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 3: would immediately revert to the Obama administration's policy, say okay,

1273
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 3: like thanks Trump, you lost. We were not doing this anymore,

1274
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 3: like we've moved beyond this. Instead, the Biden administration came

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01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 3: in and ramped things up and made them even tighter.

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01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 3: And part of the reason that they were made tighter

1277
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 3: is that the American sanctions regime in general around the

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01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 3: world has gotten has gotten broadly tougher. So anybody who's

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01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 3: on this State Sponsor of terrorI list now is facing

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01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 3: much sharper teeth around the world. And what happens and

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01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 3: the way that the sanctions work now is that it's

1282
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 3: much more difficult for the media stay to pin it

1283
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 3: directly on Biden. In the past, you would, you know,

1284
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 3: the US would would directly sanction X, and the media

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01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 3: could say, oh, look, you're sanctioning this, it's causing this harm. Therefore,

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01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 3: we can talk about whether or not this is a

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01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 3: policy that ought to be in place. By putting them

1288
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 3: on the state sponsor of Terror list, what it does

1289
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 3: is it makes it basically impossible for them to use

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01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,759
Speaker 3: the banking system and to do business with anybody else

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01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 3: off of the island. And the US would say, well,

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Speaker 3: that's not our problem. You know, we don't actually specifically

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Speaker 3: ban this particular provider of grain or oil from providing

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Speaker 3: products to Cuba. We don't borrow this particular bank from

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Speaker 3: doing this. But the banks say, because this designation is

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Speaker 3: so opaque and the penalties are so severe that our

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Speaker 3: lawyers say, we should just not do business anywhere near Cuba,

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Speaker 3: forget it. It might be it might actually be okay, but

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Speaker 3: we're just we're just not going to do it. And

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Speaker 3: as ed Ed said, they also are specifically sanctioning some

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Speaker 3: particular shipping companies which is then keeping oil out of

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Speaker 3: Cuba and driving up energy prices.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Mean, I think the big picture story is that

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Speaker 4: sanctions are not I'm not going to say they're categorically

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Speaker 4: unjust and effective, but long term, the long term experiment

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Speaker 4: shows that in many cases they're not effective. Now, I

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Speaker 4: think what the US would say to Cuba is, you know,

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Speaker 4: the good faith actors in the US would say to Cuba,

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Speaker 4: is not our problem until you reform your human rights situation.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's the again, like that's the good

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Speaker 4: faith reading.

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Speaker 3: But it's also the paper reading, like that we say

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Speaker 3: that our policy is that we believe the Cuban regime

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Speaker 3: should be ousted and that we are going to put

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Speaker 3: on sanctions into place until such time is that we

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Speaker 3: drive the Cuban people into such desperation that they overthrow

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Speaker 3: the government. So yeah, that is our position. Like you

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Speaker 3: don't like this, stop being a communist, Well.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think that's true. I think also though, what

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Speaker 4: they would say is this is the good faith reading. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: it's not the reading of people who are just like

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Speaker 4: old Cold warriors who are trying to you know, starve

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Speaker 4: Cubans into regime regime change, which is of course still

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Speaker 4: very much a mindset and mentality that exists in the Pentagon.

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Speaker 4: But also, you know, reform so that you don't rely

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Speaker 4: on all of these other countries for your electrical garrid

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01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 4: have some even China. This is actually when Cuba has

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Speaker 4: been looking to China. This was in a Financial Times report.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people I saw a lot of people

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Speaker 4: like amused by this on Twitter. This is from Financial Times.

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01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 4: They say China publicly supports Cuba's right to choose its

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01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 4: own path to economic development quote in line with its

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Speaker 4: national conditions, but privately, Chinese officials have long urged the

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Speaker 4: Cuban leadership to shift from its vertically planned economy to

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Speaker 4: something closer to the Chinese model. According to economists and

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Speaker 4: diplomats briefed on the situation, Chinese officials have been perplexed

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Speaker 4: and frustrated at the Cuban leadership's unwillingness to decisively implement

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Speaker 4: a market oriented reform program despite the glaring dysfunction of

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01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 4: the status quo that people said, and I agree, I

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01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 4: think the glaring dysfunction of the status quo is pretty

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01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 4: well put. So that is all to say, it's not

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's primarily the fault of US sanctions.

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Speaker 4: I think Cuba working within the parameters that it has,

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01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 4: I don't support the sanctions entirely, but I think working

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01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 4: within the parameters that exist, Cuba could do a better

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01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 4: job servicing its people, keeping his people safe and prosperous

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Speaker 4: and healthy. That said, I also don't think there's a

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01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 4: great case that the sanctions are protecting the people of

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Speaker 4: Cuba at this point.

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Speaker 3: And and Augustine makes that, you know, he made that

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01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 3: point at the end there it's talking about how Cuba

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01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 3: has talked about reforming its economy the Cuban government but

1353
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 3: has but has not done so. The politics of that

1354
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 3: are interesting because the Cuban government is always on its

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01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 3: back foot because of these sanctions. They have no political

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01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 3: capital with with the public to do the kinds of

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 3: reforms that would be difficult in the first weeks of them,

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01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 3: but long term would lead to more economic growth and

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01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 3: that and that, and as that's not talking about going capitalists,

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01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 3: that's that's talking about moving more toward a Chinese kind

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Speaker 3: of you know, socialism with market you know, Chinese care

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01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 3: elements or whatever. That that would lead to some disruption

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01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 3: in the in the meantime, and so you would need

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01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 3: a little bit more political capital to get that going,

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01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 3: and they can't do it. The argument is the reason

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01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 3: is not happening because the US is boot is on

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: their neck that they can't even move. My criticism for

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01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 3: the Chinese would be, so then you step up. You're

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 3: talking a big game about how you want to You

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 3: think they ought to reform. They can't reform because they

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01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,799
Speaker 3: their economy is in complete shamnels because of the United States.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a rounding error for China to help

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 3: them out. But China's just not going to do it,

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01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 3: which goes against which which cuts against this idea that

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01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 3: we believe that China has some global hegemonic ambitions, which

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01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 3: they don't because they're like, that's the US problem, that's

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01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 3: over by North America. We love, we love that, you know,

1378
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 3: we come from the same like father, but you know

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01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 3: we're not We're not. They're not going to lift a

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01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 3: finger to help the Cuban government.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I could see not immediately

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01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 4: agree with that in the media future, but I could

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01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 4: see long term. This is a great argument I think

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01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 4: against sanctions because what Cuba has been doing in light

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01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 4: of the post Trump sanction has been turning to Venezuela,

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01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 4: turning to part of the reason this is happening is

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01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,919
Speaker 4: because Venezuela doesn't have the capacity to keep helping Cuba

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 4: at the same level that had been in those.

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Speaker 3: Sanctions on the as well. Yeah, that as well, and

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Speaker 3: oil production is collapsed because as a result, I think

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01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 3: that's exactly right. If you if you lifted all the

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01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 3: sanctions on Cuba, just let let Cuba decide for itself

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01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 3: without the sanctions, what kind of government it wanted to operate,

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01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 3: what kind of economy wanted to operate. They would open

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01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 3: up their economy and it would be a more market

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01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 3: orient and economy that the Cuban regime would try to

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01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 3: keep like China.

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Speaker 4: Well, I was going to say, I mean, when that

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01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 4: happened under Obama, it was really I mean predictable where

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01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,759
Speaker 4: the money was going. And maybe I mean the experiment

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01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 4: didn't get to play out in the long term, but

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01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 4: it was becoming concentrated in the hands of elites.

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01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 3: I mean, not by any not by any like. If

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01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 3: you can't compare them to the way that we concentrate

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01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 3: money in the hands of the elites, then it's not

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01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 3: even compare, it's not even close.

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01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 4: It's an interesting I mean, I think it's a pretty

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01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 4: interesting question what would happen in the long term because.

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 3: There are still yeah, exactly, and imagine that. Imagine letting

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01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 3: Cuba just decide for itself.

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01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, instead of turning them into the arms of people,

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01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 4: for example, who want to threaten semiconductor manft manufacturing in

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01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 4: Taiwan that we depend on. Potentially, I'm not saying they're

1414
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 4: actually going to do it, but that's obviously something that's

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01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 4: being talked about in Beijing. So no, I mean, China

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01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 4: may be right about the problems with the Cubans system,

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01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 4: but it's not an argument for China to colonize the

1418
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 4: Cuban system either, in the same way it's not an

1419
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 4: argument for us to do it. But it feels anytime

1420
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 4: we have this bickering over Cuba, I mean you just

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01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 4: again go back to we are not even one hundred

1422
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 4: years into the nuclear experiment. And the reason that Cuba

1423
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 4: is such a flashpoint here is because China could be

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01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 4: Soviet ask and putting weapons in Cuba, which makes it

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01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 4: a huge that to the.

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01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 3: United States, they're just not that right.

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01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 4: So the us, right, so that because of the possibility,

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01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 4: you're constantly, constantly at loggerheads. It's actually ultimately an argument

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01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 4: against nuclear weapons. But that's a different.

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01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 3: Story if people in a couple other details, Like one

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01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 3: of the things we've done, just as just completely malicious

1432
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 3: and vindictive, is that we put into place a policy

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01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 3: that says, if you are European, if you have a

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01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 3: if you can come to the United States without having

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01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 3: to get a visa, which is Europeans, and like there's

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01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 3: like thirty seven countries or so where you can just

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01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 3: come to the United States and vacation here France or whatever.

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01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 3: If you go to Cuba, then you now have to

1439
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 3: get a waiver to come to the United States for

1440
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 3: like the next ten years. Why like why, like, there's

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01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 3: no reason for us to do that other than being vindicted.

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01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 3: What are we afraid they're going to fly to Cuba

1443
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 3: and get like cigars and then fly them back to

1444
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 3: France and then fly them over here and smoke them

1445
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 3: like on a balcony somewhere. Like. So what that did

1446
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 3: is it completely just dried up European tourism, which was

1447
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 3: one of the only things they had left. We also

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01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 3: allowed Cuban national Cuban Americans here in the United States

1449
01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 3: to sue like cruise lines saying that there that actually

1450
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 3: that ought to be our property, and so cruise ships

1451
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 3: stopped docking in Havana, so that disappeared. Like it's just

1452
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 3: the systematic anything that Cuba had working for it. We

1453
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 3: just went after and then we're like, oh, look see

1454
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 3: we told you communism doesn't work well. And then all

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01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 3: the Cubans are flooding the southern border like yes, absolutely,

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01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands more than the Mario boat lift, Like yeah, absolute,

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01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 3: Like anyone else you can leave Cuba is leaving.

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01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 4: Cuba and by way of South America, Like it's not

1459
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 4: like Marrio boat lift, Like actually.

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01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 3: Right, they're flying in Nicaragua and then they're taking a

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01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 3: train up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely. Speaking of humanitarian crises, Ryan, you have a

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01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 4: wonderful new report up at drop Site. Wonderful for how

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01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 4: vivid and detailed it is, especially compared to so many

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01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 4: reports that we see is mainstream press out of Gaza

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01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 4: about the destruction of Gaza.

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01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 3: Essentially over at drop Site News, we've published a unique

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01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 3: new piece of investigative journalism by reporters units to Rawi

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01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 3: and Sammy Vanderlib. They were able to obtain reams of

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Speaker 3: social media posts from soldiers and officers inside a single

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Speaker 3: combat engineering battalion known as Battalion seven forty nine. The

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01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 3: unit has been operating in Gaza on and off since

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01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 3: shortly after October seventh, and has left an unusually large

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01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,879
Speaker 3: amount of destruction in its wake. What makes this reporting

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01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 3: unique is that by relying on the battalion's own social

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01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 3: media posts, we can trace their path through Gaza, identifying

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01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 3: specific acts and linking them to specific actors by name.

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01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 3: At one point, the battalion even put together a montage

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01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 3: of their destruction and began it with a little homage

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01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 3: to Disney. Now we can play this here, but we're

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01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 3: not actually going to play the clip because we're afraid

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Speaker 3: we'll get a copyright takedown, which would be just extraordinarily

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Speaker 3: ironic and a weird testimony to what you're able to

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Speaker 3: do on the Internet. Let me just say that doing

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Speaker 3: slash counterpoints now look. In mainstream Western media, the coverage

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01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 3: of Israel's year of scorch shart destruction often touches on

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01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 3: the victims and events happening in Gaza. In the passive voice,

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01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 3: death and destruction befall Palestinians the way a city suffers

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01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 3: from a hurricane or an earthquake, though in those cases,

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01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 3: actually the media has little difficulty identifying the natural disaster

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01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,719
Speaker 3: as the cause of the destruction. When it comes to Gaza,

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01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 3: it's even worse. Buildings mysteriously explode and people just die

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01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 3: for no obvious reason. Rarely do we see the Israeli

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01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 3: military identified as having carried out the act, and never

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01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 3: do we see individual members of the military named and

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01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 3: identify their actions described in detail, broken down by unit

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01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 3: and task. In fact, doing so in Israel is illegal.

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Speaker 3: The stated rationale for that censorship is operational security, but

1505
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 3: according to a report from Israel's Channel thirteen, the real

1506
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:20,560
Speaker 3: aim is to dodge accountability for war crimes. If that's true,

1507
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 3: the soldiers themselves work against this cover up on a

1508
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,600
Speaker 3: daily basis, posting endless photos, videos and montages from the

1509
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 3: homes and neighborhoods of Gaza. They are raising that's where

1510
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 3: this investigation begins. Unison Samy have managed to find an

1511
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 3: archive all the Instagram stories and daily posts shared by

1512
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 3: the soldiers of Battalion seven forty nine. They've mapped out

1513
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,719
Speaker 3: the structure of the unit and identified the individual soldiers

1514
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 3: and officers involved, along with their various roles in operations.

1515
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 3: They have tracked the activities of each company in the battalion,

1516
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 3: including what they were doing, when and where as the

1517
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 3: force shred its way through Gaza. The mission is nothing

1518
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,839
Speaker 3: less than a systematic, at a concerted and deliberate effort

1519
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 3: to erase the intellectual, cultural and social future of the

1520
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: Palestinian people. Quote our job is to flatten Gaza, the

1521
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 3: soldiers of the official D nine company of the Battalion

1522
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 3: wrote on their Instagram page. They added, accurately, quote no

1523
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 3: one will stop us. You likely heard about some of

1524
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 3: the atrocities described in this article in real time, and

1525
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 3: if you follow our work here on the Breaking Points channel,

1526
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 3: learn of the impact on the Palestinian population. But now

1527
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,799
Speaker 3: you can see it from the perspective of those carrying

1528
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 3: out and reveling in them. The investigation is a thorough

1529
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 3: accounting of the acts committed by the seven to forty

1530
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 3: nine Battalion, complete with the evidence they post themselves. These

1531
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 3: are not just isolated events, but represent a pattern that

1532
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 3: runs through the very heart of the Israeli military, a

1533
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 3: sadistic attitude toward the civilians of Gaza, whose futures they

1534
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 3: have been tasked with blowing up or flattening. Now, if

1535
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 3: statistics sounds harsh, go read through the report and ask

1536
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 3: yourself if it's not, in the end too soft of

1537
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 3: a description. From the beginning of the Israeli invasion of Gaza,

1538
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 3: you may recall Benjamin Netyah, who's ominous invocation of the

1539
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 3: biblical Amalekites. When Netyaho made that remark, the notion was

1540
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 3: already in the air. On October ninth, Lieutenant Colonel Addi Bacore,

1541
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 3: deputy commander of Israel's seven forty nine Combat Engineering Battalion,

1542
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,679
Speaker 3: posted on his personal Instagram account quote, now go attack

1543
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 3: the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them.

1544
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 3: Do not spare them, and put to death men and women, children,

1545
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 3: in infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys unquotes. Now,

1546
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 3: many of the unit's members liked the post and proceeded

1547
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 3: to put it into practice. Seven forty nine Battalion was

1548
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 3: among the first to enter the Strip through the net

1549
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 3: Seriem Corridor, the four mile long road separating Gaza City

1550
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 3: and darry Al Bala that Israel occupied early in the

1551
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 3: war in order in order to divide the north and

1552
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 3: south of Gaza. After helping them cement control of South

1553
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:02,759
Speaker 3: Gaza City, including the nets Corder, the battalion later advanced

1554
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 3: into areas like Shujaya in Gaza City, the Bourage refugee

1555
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 3: camp in central Gaza, and even Rafa. Currently seven forty

1556
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 3: nine Battalion is operating in North Gaza and Jabaaliyah, where

1557
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 3: we're even following hamas Let or Yaya Sinwar's killing in

1558
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 3: southern Gaza, Israel's campaign has intensified to the point of

1559
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 3: executions and depopulation there. Seven forty nine Battalion is seemingly

1560
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 3: racing to destroy as many buildings as possible. As one

1561
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,560
Speaker 3: soldier put it, quote, we will leave them nothing unquote.

1562
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 3: The images in this investigation come primarily from the battalion's

1563
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 3: private social media group, which Dropsite News, gained access to

1564
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 3: as well as the profiles and accounts of dozens of

1565
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 3: soldiers from various companies within the battalion. By stitching together

1566
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 3: the information shared within the group, we were able to

1567
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 3: clearly map out the unit's organizational structure, identify over one

1568
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 3: hundred of its members, and document their activities in the

1569
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 3: Gaza trip in detail now. In December twenty twenty three,

1570
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 3: Company A of the seventh forty nine Battalion was tasked

1571
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 3: with rigging up the South Gaza City campus of al

1572
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 3: Azar University with explosives and detonating them, reducing Gaza's second

1573
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 3: largest university to rubble. First Master Sergeant David Zoldan, the

1574
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 3: operational officer of Company A of Israel seven forty nine Battalion,

1575
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 3: wrote in an Instagram post on December twentieth, quote, on Shabbat,

1576
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 3: we loaded the mines and I signed off on the

1577
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 3: shipment with a modification due to the sanctity of Shabbat.

1578
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 3: A few days later, we assembled them and booby trapped

1579
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 3: one of Gaza's symbols of the future, al Azar University,

1580
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 3: in the northern part of the Strip, and blew it

1581
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 3: up unquote. Zoldan, a reservist who normally works as a

1582
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 3: journalist at ICE, a local Israeli news outlet, attached several

1583
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 3: photos and videos of the entire operation quote from the

1584
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 3: unloading stage to the massive explosion. Quote. In one of

1585
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,600
Speaker 3: the videos, he cheers as the three buildings of the

1586
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 3: university campus are prepared to be blown up. Quote this

1587
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 3: is the explosion before redemption. December twenty twenty three, he says,

1588
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 3: as the university has blown up, Zoldan tells his fellow soldiers,

1589
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 3: quote Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Did you see you can

1590
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 3: hear it here?

1591
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 12: Let it?

1592
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 3: Soldan did not provide a military justification for the explosion.

1593
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,759
Speaker 3: In the Israeli military have not reported to have found

1594
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 3: anything in the university campus. Seven forty nine Battalion, he

1595
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 3: wrote after the explosion, quote is working day and night

1596
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 3: and performing holy work in the Gaza strip unquote. Other

1597
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 3: soldiers from the battalion made no effort to conceal their intentions,

1598
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 3: gleefully mocking the destruction of civilian and educational property. Maya

1599
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,799
Speaker 3: Ra Dazowitz, another soldier in the seven forty nine battalion,

1600
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 3: was among them. She filmed the explosion of Azar University,

1601
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 3: capturing it quote goodbye to higher education in Gaza with

1602
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 3: an emoji of hands in the form of a heart

1603
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 3: bob go ah del Fie. She's one of twenty seven

1604
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 3: soldiers that we have identified as being deployed to blow

1605
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 3: up a Lazar University, including Roy Wicks, who fights with

1606
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 3: an American flag patch on his sleeve and who helped

1607
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,480
Speaker 3: plant explosives that led to the destruction of the institution.

1608
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 3: From there, drop site tracked the unit through the rest

1609
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 3: of its campaign through Gaza. Many of the social media

1610
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 3: accounts we use to obtain footage have since been deleted,

1611
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 3: but you can read the full investigation from Eunice and

1612
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 3: Sammy and see the rest of the videos over at

1613
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 3: dropsideews dot com now. In response to our request for comment,

1614
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 3: the IDF said this in response to the barbaric attacks

1615
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 3: by Hamas, the IDF is working to dismantle the military

1616
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 3: administrative capabilities of Hamas in complete contrast to the deliberate

1617
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 3: attacks by Hamas on Israeli men, women and children. The

1618
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:12,520
Speaker 3: IDF operates according to international law and takes possible precautions

1619
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 3: to reduce harm to civilians. The IDF acts to address

1620
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 3: exceptional incidents that deviate from the orders and expected values

1621
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 3: of IDF soldiers. The IDF examines events of this kind,

1622
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 3: as well as reports of videos posted on social media,

1623
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 3: and handles them with command and disciplinary measures. In cases

1624
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 3: involving a suspicion of a criminal offense arises that justifies

1625
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 3: opening investigation, and investigation is opened by the Criminal Investigation Division.

1626
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 3: Upon its conclusion, the findings are transferred to the Military

1627
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 3: Advocate General for review. It should be clarified that in

1628
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 3: some of the examined cases it was concluded that the

1629
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 3: expression of or behavior of the soldiers in the video

1630
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 3: was inappropriate and it was handled accordingly. Now Emily, they don't.

1631
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 3: They didn't tell us specifically which of the incidents were

1632
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 3: handled in that accordingly fashion. But I think what's important

1633
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 3: to understand is that the key when it comes because

1634
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of people are thinking, are where's

1635
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 3: the International Criminal Court and where's the International Court of Justice?

1636
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 3: You know, if if we were a nonprofit news organization

1637
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 3: with the help of some freelance reporters can put together this,

1638
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 3: certainly the ICC and ICJ can do it as well.

1639
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 3: So what's going on here, and you see in that

1640
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,520
Speaker 3: response from the IDF part of the part of the explanation.

1641
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 3: As long as there is a legal process in a state,

1642
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 3: in a government to provide accountability to war criminals, then

1643
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 3: the ICC and ICJ don't have jurisdiction like that's that's

1644
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 3: that's the setup. So the deal basically is, Okay, we're

1645
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 3: going to have these international courts, but if you have

1646
01:29:55,160 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 3: a sufficient domestic court that prosecutes people, then we're going

1647
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 3: to stay out. We're going to allow that to unfold.

1648
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 3: And so while Israel was going through that debate over

1649
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:13,879
Speaker 3: the prison guards who were accused and then later charged

1650
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 3: of raping palatiny and detainees, that the internal debate was

1651
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 3: from defenders of the criminal charges. They said, look, we

1652
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 3: have to charge them. If we don't charge them, then

1653
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 3: the ICC and the ICJ come in. We have to

1654
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 3: have a process, and their defenders were saying, screw it,

1655
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 3: we'll take them on.

1656
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 4: That's why I think this case study is sort of

1657
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 4: a really sad but interesting window into the posts and

1658
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 4: the invocation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is such a good

1659
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,560
Speaker 4: example of how this is a case study on the

1660
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 4: incredible failures of global liberalism or post war global liberalism,

1661
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 4: where I agree with one thing you said in here

1662
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 4: where you described this as a pattern. I mean, clearly,

1663
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 4: this is not fringe, This is not you know, nut picking.

1664
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 4: This is an obvious, established pattern. And it's also not

1665
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 4: surprising that it's a pattern, because this is how people

1666
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:20,679
Speaker 4: react when their husbands and wives and brothers and sons

1667
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 4: and family members are killed and their countrymen are brutally slaughtered.

1668
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 4: This is of course how people react. It doesn't make

1669
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 4: it right. And what happened after Hiroshima and Nagasaki is

1670
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 4: that we implemented a liberal world order to help not

1671
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 4: allow retribution like this to happen on the scale on

1672
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 4: scale in international relations. And you citing Old Testament versus

1673
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 4: about the Amalekites and all of that. I mean, this

1674
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 4: is just the way we decided not to do war

1675
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 4: after World War two. And Israel says that it holds

1676
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 4: the holds itself to the highest standards, and it clearly

1677
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 4: holds itself to higher standards than places like I mean,

1678
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 4: if from Hamas you see a lot of this happening

1679
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 4: out in the open, you say, you hear a lot

1680
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 4: of this conversation having on though at least Israel purports

1681
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 4: to have some type of shame about it, but in

1682
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,639
Speaker 4: a way that makes it worse because they're the ones

1683
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:17,639
Speaker 4: enforcing or being or aren't part of the liberal international order.

1684
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 3: And what this shows is that there really is no

1685
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 3: shame on the ground among the officers and the soldiers

1686
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:25,600
Speaker 3: that we from outside this can have these debates or

1687
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 3: is this a genocide? Is it not a genocide? The

1688
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 3: clear intent of the soldiers and the officers carrying out

1689
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 3: is genocidal like towards the cultural, social, and political institutions

1690
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 3: of the palatading people. Like they're not talking about the

1691
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 3: militarily eradicating them. They're talking about just rooting them out,

1692
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 3: root and branch, a complete and total ethnic cleansing. They're

1693
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 3: very clear about it.

1694
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 4: Yeah so, I mean, it's in a sense, it's one

1695
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:58,639
Speaker 4: of those really difficult questions of how people who wield

1696
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 4: standards of internet law, like the US, you know, we'll

1697
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 4: wield these standards of international law on one way towards

1698
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 4: Putin and in another way towards Israel, are struggling to

1699
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,680
Speaker 4: meet their own standards and in some cases don't even

1700
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:12,879
Speaker 4: care to meet their own standards.

1701
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, who do we have on the Friday Show.

1702
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 4: We have Michael Knowles on the Friday Show, which is

1703
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 4: going to be very interesting. We had Matt Walsh a

1704
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, so we'll do a couple of

1705
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 4: Daily Wire guys ahead of the election. But one thing

1706
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 4: I'll say about them is they're willing to chop it up.

1707
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 4: So I imagine we're going to chop it up with

1708
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:35,600
Speaker 4: Michael because I can't two people with like further differences

1709
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 4: or greater differences than you get forward to it. Yeah,

1710
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 4: it'll be fun. We have a weekend segment right that's

1711
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 4: going to post as well.

1712
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 3: Yes, over Counterpoints, we're rolling out The Palestine Laboratory as

1713
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 3: a four part podcast series by Anthony Lowenstein based on

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Speaker 3: his book by the same name. This is updated post

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Speaker 3: October seventh. We'll have a segment we'll post on the

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Speaker 3: weekend in an interview with Lowenstein about this about this casts,

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Speaker 3: and basically The Palestine Laboratory is about how the Israeli

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Speaker 3: military cyber industrial complex uses the Palestinian people and the

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Speaker 3: occupied territories as ways to experiment with new weapons and

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Speaker 3: then markets its products as having been experimented on human beings.

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Speaker 3: And therefore more effective than the competitors.

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Speaker 4: Well I look forward to that, So everyone stay tuned

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Speaker 3: See you later, See you Friday.