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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, legal battle rages on in

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Speaker 1: a court of law where we are finally hearing some

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Speaker 1: a tiny bit of the evidence against husband Barry Morphew

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Speaker 1: in the disappearance of his gorgeous wife, Suzanne Morphew, the

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Speaker 1: mother of his two daughters. We're learning all about his

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Speaker 1: visits to Ashley Madison. You know, for married cheaters to

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Speaker 1: go have sex, celebrity jihad sex sights. But where does

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Speaker 1: the missing mom fit into this scenario? And how does

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Speaker 1: a dark gun factor in crime Stories? With Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: I'm learning more about Barry Moore few than I ever

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Speaker 1: wanted to know. I mean, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and Serious one eleven. But it's details like celebrity jihad

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Speaker 1: where allegedly jihadests post pictures of naked celebrities. I think

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Speaker 1: I've got that right. It could be completely bass ackwards,

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Speaker 1: a dark gun, a fake job site amidst Mother's Day celebration.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how are we going to prove a murder

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Speaker 1: with nobody? First of all, you've got to hear what

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Speaker 1: is happening in the courtroom. Now, why the state the

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Speaker 1: prosecutors decided to have a preliminary hearing. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's a legal conundrum. A preliminary hearing is held, for instance,

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Speaker 1: when you need to have a case bound over for trial.

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Speaker 1: But you could just go to the grand jury, a

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Speaker 1: secret grand jury, as they are all secret, present one

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Speaker 1: or two witnesses and get a bill of indictment from murder.

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Speaker 1: But with a prelium, you put your witnesses on parade

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Speaker 1: and the defense gets a dry run on cross examination.

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Speaker 1: It's like playing poker and just laying all your cards

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Speaker 1: on the table. That's a bad idea. That said, what

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Speaker 1: News Denver. We're hearing details about the days, hours and

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Speaker 1: minutes leading up to May nine, twenty twenty, which is

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Speaker 1: the last day that the FBI says that they knew

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Speaker 1: that Susanne Moorephew was still alive. It's all focusing the

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Speaker 1: Morphew home just outside of Salida. Now. The FBI investigator

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Speaker 1: today testified that Susanne Morphew was at home sunbathing and

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Speaker 1: sending pictures of herself to her boyfriend while her husband, Barry,

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Speaker 1: Susanne stopped responding to his messages. An investigator testified that

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Speaker 1: chasing Susanne around the home when he returned. That's based

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Speaker 1: on cell phone GPS data. Defense attorneys have said that

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Speaker 1: that data may not be accurate. The defense says the

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Speaker 1: data may not be accurate. Right, who am I going

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Speaker 1: to believe Barry Morphew and his paid hired gun the

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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel? Nicole Devoor hots Globe

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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney out of Houston, former prosecutor and you

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Speaker 1: Jory Krausen, psychologist, faculty, Saint Leo University, author of Operations.

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Speaker 1: Dan Corsentino joining US, former police chief in Colorado, former

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Speaker 1: find him at Dan Corsentino dot com. Death investigator, forensics

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Speaker 1: expert Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Author

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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Laurence Sharp joining

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Speaker 1: US has been in the courtroom. Coincidentally, family members tell

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Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf from Fox twenty one News, you ruined our lives.

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Speaker 1: I guess they think you've got Suzanne Morphew and your basement.

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Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf, I don't think you're the one that ruined

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Speaker 1: their lives. And Spencer Courson, founder president of Course and

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Speaker 1: Security Group at Course in Security Group dot com and

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Speaker 1: author of The Safety Trap. First of all, to you,

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Speaker 1: Lauren Sharff. Let's talk about the theory that Barry Morphu

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Speaker 1: whole airplane mode fact. To you, Dan Corcentina, Formerployees chief

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Speaker 1: If the phone was in airplane mode, they would have

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Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. You know, trying to get

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Speaker 1: rid of evidence, it's absolutely absurd. In his explanation all

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Speaker 1: of these things, the tranquiliser piece in the in the dryer, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the power coming off on the phone. You know,

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Speaker 1: he thinks he's clever, but he is not as clever

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Speaker 1: as he thinks. And now you know, this excuse that

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Speaker 1: he's making for what he might have been throwing away

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Speaker 1: is just you know, it's sort of an empty and

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Speaker 1: hollow h You know, he's trying to he's trying to

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Speaker 1: come up with a reason why he was out and

436
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: about throwing out trash in public trash cans. And I

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00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: just cannot imagine that any jury is going to buy

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Speaker 1: this crime stories with Nancy Grace, Nicole Debord, Hodge Club.

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Speaker 1: You've tried a lot of cases. There's the old saying,

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Speaker 1: I think this goes all the way back to Nixon,

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00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure. It's not the crime, it's the

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Speaker 1: cover up. The point here is we're getting more evidence

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00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: about a cover up then we do. Then we have

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00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: about where is Susanne Morpheu's body. But the cover up

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00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: braves the crime, Nicole, it really does. I mean, this

446
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Speaker 1: is going to be an interesting case too as it

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00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: moves forward ultimately in front of a jury, because I'll

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Speaker 1: be curious to see whether this guy decides to testify.

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00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes people who think they can come up with an

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Speaker 1: explanation for everything really want to get their story out

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Speaker 1: there in front of a jury. And I wonder if

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Speaker 1: this individual will decide that he too wants to tell

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Speaker 1: his story. I don't think they'll buy it, but it

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Speaker 1: can all early. Pray Nicole Debord Hodge Club that he

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Speaker 1: does take the stand. Hey, Lauren, who told you in

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Speaker 1: the courtroom that you had ruined their lives one of

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Speaker 1: very sisters? How did you ruin their life? Good question?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I was just trying to, you know,

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Speaker 1: report on Suzanne and her disappearance, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: how I ruined their life, you know. Also, apparently the

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Speaker 1: adult daughters will once adult. One is I think just

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Speaker 1: coming out of high school. They both are signing with

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Speaker 1: the dad, right yeah. I mean throughout the you know,

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Speaker 1: court hearing, you can see the daughters, you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: visibly upset, but in between breaks, they're very turns around

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Speaker 1: and you know it says I love you. He pulls

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Speaker 1: his mass down and says I love you, and the

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00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: girls you know say I miss you and love you

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Speaker 1: and you know, you're my best friend and things like that,

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Speaker 1: and they're you know, praying for him, and so they're

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Speaker 1: definitely uh, you know, well, you know what I just did.

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Speaker 1: Something really was really wrong. I rolled my eyes, all

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Speaker 1: my eyes because I don't believe. I roll my eyes

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Speaker 1: because I feel that he, Barry Morphy, is manipulating his daughters,

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Speaker 1: and I also feel really bad for them. Doctor Jerry Cross,

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00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: and I've tried a lot of cases, and adult children

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00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: typically will side with the living parent, even when the

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00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: parents accused of murder, because I don't think that they

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Speaker 1: can emotionally accept what has happened. So I don't want

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Speaker 1: to make light of what these girls are going through

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00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: because they've lost their mother and now their dad's on

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Speaker 1: trial for he is going to be on trial for

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Speaker 1: her murder. Yeah. And to add to that victimization that

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Speaker 1: the fathers using for the manipulation, is she even having

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Speaker 1: an affair for two years and so you know he's

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Speaker 1: a victim of that. And I think one of the daughters,

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Speaker 1: even when she found out about it just recently or something,

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Speaker 1: you know, that really impacted her. Guys, I'm wanting to

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Speaker 1: take in a listen to our cut seventy five, Tyler,

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Speaker 1: it's our friends at Fox twenty one. The affair was

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Speaker 1: allegedly for a year and a half, something Susanne kept

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00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: from everyone, even her best friend, Sheila Oliver. Text messages

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Speaker 1: between the two friends show Susanne expressing concerns about her

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Speaker 1: marriage with Barry and how it affected her health. A

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00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: text message reads, he looks for any reason to run.

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Speaker 1: It can be small, and he blows up and takes off.

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Speaker 1: I believe there's still another I can't win with him.

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00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: He's too good at the manipulation. I feel stuck. I

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Speaker 1: can't let my health decline again. Susanne was in remission

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Speaker 1: for the second time when she disappeared, Lauren Sharf joining

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Speaker 1: me Fox twenty one News. You can find her at

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00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: Lauren Sharff TV. Lauren, what was her ailment? She had

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Speaker 1: leukemia should a cancer, and this is the second time

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Speaker 1: she's had it. She had it in college as well,

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Speaker 1: and Barry morephew, he helped her through that. You know,

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Speaker 1: his sister or Susanne's sister told me, you know, Barry

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00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: would carry her from a place to place or whatever

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00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: in college and helped her with that. And then she

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00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: also got it I believe right before they moved to

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Speaker 1: Colorado the second time. More of an insight into their marriage,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut seventy seven, Jamie Leary,

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Speaker 1: CBS four. Prosecutors have painted a picture of a man

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Speaker 1: who desperately did not want to lose his wife just

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Speaker 1: before her disappearance, so Susanne sent Barrymorephe, her husband, a

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Speaker 1: text indicating that she was done. He responded with the

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Speaker 1: text indicating suicide, saying he wouldn't be around for much

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Speaker 1: longer and that he was going to see his savior.

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Speaker 1: Susanne and Barrymorephy met and fell in love when they

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00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 1: were just seventeen. And we learned on day one of

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Speaker 1: this here and that Susanne was looking for an opportunity

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00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: to leave and had been having an affair for the

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Speaker 1: last two years. Her last correspondence with anyone was with

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Speaker 1: a man. She was having that affair with Jeff Libbler,

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Speaker 1: investigator sannet Ay ninth. They exchanged fifty nine messages and

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00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: consider a selfie she sent him while sunbathing outside her

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00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: home her last proof of life. You know to Lauren Sharf,

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00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: tell me what's happening in the court run. How are

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00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: the daughters in the family all taking this. That first

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Speaker 1: day of the preliminary hearing, when the whole affair came out,

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Speaker 1: they everyone, you know, the Morphew family were crying. I

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Speaker 1: mean when they saw the last known photo of Suzanne.

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Speaker 1: The girls were one girl was leaning on her legs,

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Speaker 1: you know, her hair covering over her face, just in tears.

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Speaker 1: And I mean the two girls are supporting one of another.

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Speaker 1: They're holding each other's hands, rubbing each other's backs, passing

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Speaker 1: tissues to one another. It was definitely emotional, emotional day.

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Speaker 1: So why don't you take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 1: eighty seven our friends at Fox twenty one. The state

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00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: mentioned multiple dating web site that they claim Verry Morphew

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00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: search and not include Ashley Madison, as well as Celebji Hot.

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Speaker 1: When this was brought up, Morphew was visibly upset, and

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00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: he even sat up in his seat in court. An

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00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: investigator spoke with a friend of the family who recorded

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00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: morephe accusing Susanne of sleeping with a man in a basement,

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00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: and Morphew allegedly said he would shoot off his balls

546
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: and he would shoot and shove them down his throat

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00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: if he found the guy his defense made it clear

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00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: that there was only one search of find a Q

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Speaker 1: Girl in Salida, and they questioned the state's knowledge of

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00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: whether they knew for certain it was Morphew who was

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00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: searching those dating websites. Wait a minute, Lauren Sharp, are

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Speaker 1: they actually going to try to tell me that it

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00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: was Suzanne Morphew looking up celebjahad to look at nude women. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean the defense was just saying, how do you

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00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: know for certain that it was Barry Morphew who was

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Speaker 1: searching these sites? Now, I want to circle back to

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00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: the hard evidence, whether he's having an affair or not

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00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: having an affair, And the hard evidence right now are

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00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: his movements, the dart gun, and the fake alibi that

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00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: he created the morning Suzanne disappeared. I'm not sure that

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00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: that's when she really disappeared, but he's left behind quite

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00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: a digital path a mile wide. Lauren Shar Fox twenty

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Speaker 1: one News reporter, all the story from the very very beginning.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about his manufactured alibi. It all started when

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00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: Suzanne first went missing. He told somebody that he had

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Speaker 1: gone for continuing volunteer firefighter education at some out of

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Speaker 1: town seminar on mother's day, a day that he knew

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00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: his two girls would also be gone. That pen didn't

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Speaker 1: pan out, And then it turned out he had put

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Speaker 1: together a crew that morning, the morning she's reported missing,

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00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: around four am, to go to another town to build

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00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: a wall, like a retainer wall. And it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: real job. Yeah, So the whole thing about the you know,

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Speaker 1: firefighter training that was that didn't happen because there was

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Speaker 1: no firefighter training in the middle of COVID. And then

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00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, when he went to the Broomfield and worked

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Speaker 1: on this wall, retaining wall, I spook with multiple of

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Speaker 1: the employees that he had called kind of last minute

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Speaker 1: to work on that job. And then I also found

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Speaker 1: out that you in the city of Broomfield, you cannot

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Speaker 1: work on a holiday or Sunday, and Mother's Day fell

582
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: on a Sunday and found out that you can't work.

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Speaker 1: He knew that the company he was doing this job

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Speaker 1: knew that, and the job was to fix a retaining

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00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: wall that he and his crew had messed up a

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00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: year prior in October of twenty nineteen, and in court,

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00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: the investigators found out through the GPS tracking of his

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00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: truck that he only was at that retaining wall for

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00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: about ten to fifteen minutes, and his crew had told

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Speaker 1: me that it looked like he had only been done

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00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: about like ten to fifteen minutes of work. And meanwhile

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00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: he's in his hotel room for five hours, and he's

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00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: shown on surveillance camera leaving and coming from his hotel

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00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: room the time stamps, and every single time he's leaving

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00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: and coming, he is, you know, trashing his hand, and

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00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: he has different clothes on from every time he comes

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00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: and goes from the hotel room in Broomfield. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace CROM's story, signing off Goodbye friend,