Speaker 1: It's eleven thirty nine pm in the Berkshires and you're
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Speaker 1: Today we will be talking about a bunch of things,
Speaker 1: but you should definitely stick around for the second half
Speaker 1: of the episode, where we are joined with special guest
Speaker 1: Jay Kang. We're gonna be talking about the NBA bubble
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Speaker 1: do that, let's take a Nightcall. Hi, n Call. I
Speaker 1: am a high school English teacher and I am calling
Speaker 1: about my quarantined experiences. UM have them listening to your
Speaker 1: podcast last few months in quarantine and it's definitely um
Speaker 1: kept me entertained, insane. So thank you very much. UM,
Speaker 1: I love you all. Uh yeah, so I'm a first
Speaker 1: year teacher, so my school ye was gonna be pretty
Speaker 1: crazy regardless, but having to uh switched online learning was
Speaker 1: basically no little boarding. Uh in March was doin really
Speaker 1: a new wrench in the plan. UM, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't even know if I have great stories, just more
Speaker 1: like me and my student survived this time together. Um.
Speaker 1: We my school basically we had no transition time. We
Speaker 1: had one staff work day and then we were online
Speaker 1: twice a week that we have a set schedule the
Speaker 1: next week. Um. We still have grades at my school,
Speaker 1: which I thought was from an equity standpoint, kind of
Speaker 1: messed up. Um. Some students just kind of totally drop
Speaker 1: off the vase there as some of them came back.
Speaker 1: Some of them eventually you heard a little bit from them.
Speaker 1: Had a student go missing, like his mom had to
Speaker 1: built a police report for him. During this time, I
Speaker 1: need high school students and I seed ten Kurds, and
Speaker 1: I was mostly just really concerned about their mental health.
Speaker 1: UM and kind of uh yeah, I'm I'm just like
Speaker 1: happy that I think they were didimally learned something from
Speaker 1: the English teacher and we read in Medeia during this time.
Speaker 1: We also, uh, we're finishing up another unit uh and
Speaker 1: most of them we're like able to complete. But final
Speaker 1: that I gave, which was an essay. UM, and hopefully
Speaker 1: next year, next school year, we're offering me online um
Speaker 1: first semefter and I'm gonna like actually know we're online.
Speaker 1: So I have some ideas in terms of I was
Speaker 1: like actually utilizing that time. But um, yeah, the hardest
Speaker 1: thing for me, and I think that was just the
Speaker 1: unpredictability we kept getting told that we like might be
Speaker 1: going back. No one ever thought we would be gone
Speaker 1: the rest of the school year. Um. And so my
Speaker 1: goal with them was really just I I was on
Speaker 1: the news. I was on the news constantly because the
Speaker 1: information I was getting from my administrators actually was inaccurate
Speaker 1: and it wasn't what journalists were telling me. Um. And
Speaker 1: so I just try to be really honest with my
Speaker 1: students and uh just to like try to report information
Speaker 1: about coronavirus uh and quarantine UM from new sources and
Speaker 1: not from people in power, because people in power have
Speaker 1: been letting me down. Uh yeah, all right, wow, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for sharing that. I mean it. I
Speaker 1: think we've all been curious how teachers are holding up
Speaker 1: right now. I definitely would. I would really struggle with
Speaker 1: being a teacher, especially a high school teacher. I think
Speaker 1: is probably the most difficult position to be in. UM.
Speaker 1: Elementary school students are are totally you know, they're suffering
Speaker 1: as well. From this, but I think teenagers UM have
Speaker 1: a really unique, uniquely tough position right now. Um I.
Speaker 1: I've also heard from people that I know that UM
Speaker 1: a lot of teens are running away, which is really
Speaker 1: awful to consider that happening during quarantine. So thank you
Speaker 1: so much for sharing that. That's yikes. Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: And if you have any stories about working under the
Speaker 1: pandemic that you'd like to share with Nightcall, we are
Speaker 1: happy to make you anonymous. Always leave us a night
Speaker 1: call to four oh for sixth night. UM. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: feel like teachers are being put in a specially difficult
Speaker 1: position because they are also kind of de facto child
Speaker 1: care workers for a lot of people. So it feels
Speaker 1: like it's like parents are putting an impossible position, teachers
Speaker 1: are putting an impossible position, the kids are being put
Speaker 1: in an impossible position, and nobody is uh, nobody has
Speaker 1: a good plan, they're only bad plans. Well. Also, I
Speaker 1: mean it's so hard because when I talked to other
Speaker 1: parents and we try to think creatively about how to
Speaker 1: make like an equitable UM student group kind of situation,
Speaker 1: Like I really don't like the idea of people forming
Speaker 1: pods and hiring private tutors for obvious reasons, but it
Speaker 1: does seem as though there's a possibility for schools, Like
Speaker 1: I was thinking, is that something people are doing? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, wait what so yeah, so you're blowing
Speaker 1: the lid off something here that It's like it doesn't
Speaker 1: surprise me as soon as you said it. It's like
Speaker 1: the people who were like, people are gonna if we
Speaker 1: get rid of the police, there will be privatized police.
Speaker 1: It's like rich people all have that already. Like, so,
Speaker 1: the the issue that I phase even like talking about
Speaker 1: this is that everyone's in an impossible situation and no
Speaker 1: one's trying to be an asshole. However, I don't really
Speaker 1: understand how um taking a group of I've heard people
Speaker 1: are paying like thousands and thou sens of dollars for
Speaker 1: private tutors per month, and I understand wanting that, but
Speaker 1: I can't understand going for that under these circumstances. Um.
Speaker 1: One thing that I keep coming back to you also
Speaker 1: is not only how unfair that is and how it
Speaker 1: leaves out the people who need it the most, but
Speaker 1: also just from a potential problem standpoint. I mean, schools
Speaker 1: are heavily ensured for instance, there are teachers who are trained,
Speaker 1: although not many of them don't do a great job
Speaker 1: at this, a lot of them do of dealing with
Speaker 1: kids who have who are twice exceptional behavioral issues, all
Speaker 1: sorts of things that would be impossible for a private
Speaker 1: tutor with no like real experience to deal with in
Speaker 1: a you know, I mean it, possibly kids could get hurt.
Speaker 1: There's like no oversight, and so it just seems like
Speaker 1: even for the people who are able to do that,
Speaker 1: even leaving aside the issues of how unfair that is
Speaker 1: and how you know, privileged you have to be to
Speaker 1: do that, it also could create really horrible consequences. And
Speaker 1: I think it's just again like a frustrating thing about
Speaker 1: having no oversight right now, is that there are probably
Speaker 1: ways for schools to work with for instance, rec centers
Speaker 1: and transfer insurance and break kids up into pods that
Speaker 1: were even optional, and have staff be paid to you know,
Speaker 1: have a safe number of kids in an outdoor environment,
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be determined by the ability to pay.
Speaker 1: When it wouldn't be able to be parents saying well,
Speaker 1: this kid's well behaved and I like the parents, so
Speaker 1: let's make a pot. It would it would be able
Speaker 1: to be kind of like a public school system. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm sure it's like basically impossible to
Speaker 1: make that work, but it's so much of a better
Speaker 1: option than what people are doing right now. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: like my friend who's a public school teacher was saying,
Speaker 1: she was like, the l A public schools. You know,
Speaker 1: most public schools in this country have been sucked up
Speaker 1: for a super long time before this. This is like
Speaker 1: a huge crisis, but like they've been in crisis, yes,
Speaker 1: um so yeah, I mean the again, it just seems
Speaker 1: like I hope some people are thinking. It seems like
Speaker 1: you're thinking about it a lot obviously. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the possibility, it's I guess the only thing that
Speaker 1: you have to hold onto is the hope that this
Speaker 1: could be reinvented so it's a better system and it's
Speaker 1: more fair. And I mean, right now l A public
Speaker 1: schools are are they've been Yeah, they've been suffering for
Speaker 1: a long time. A lot of them are severely underfunded. Charters.
Speaker 1: Very tricky situation with charters to like in in l
Speaker 1: A in particular, especially the ones that are taking a
Speaker 1: ton of money away from public schools. People are opting
Speaker 1: out of public schools. There's also the discussion of if
Speaker 1: you enroll your child from an l A public school.
Speaker 1: I think the funding has been frozen at last year's levels,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people are taking their kids out
Speaker 1: to homeschool. Um. And you know, again that's a very
Speaker 1: privileged position to take, and it could in the long
Speaker 1: run end up damaging public schools as a as a
Speaker 1: you know, institution, which is they should not be damaged
Speaker 1: more so, Yeah, I mean, it's it's I really feel
Speaker 1: for teachers, and I especially think that the fact that
Speaker 1: teachers are generally planners and that one of the things
Speaker 1: that they have to do for their students is to
Speaker 1: outline how things are going to play out. And the
Speaker 1: fact that you know, initially we were told two weeks
Speaker 1: the schools would be closed for two weeks, and I
Speaker 1: think everyone had a sense that that was not true. Um.
Speaker 1: And but it also took away the ability to say,
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess that schools won't open for a
Speaker 1: full year, basically, so how do I plan for that?
Speaker 1: And for kids to think like, oh, I'm I have
Speaker 1: two weeks off school now, I have like three months
Speaker 1: off school now, I've got nine months off school. It's
Speaker 1: really hard for a lot of kids to roll with
Speaker 1: that without being kind of damaged by it. So it sucks.
Speaker 1: It sucks, It sucks. Thank you for this great like call.
Speaker 1: We are gonna take a break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Welcome back tonight Call. We're gonna talk just briefly about
Speaker 1: some unsolved mysteries, the show Unsolved Mysteries that I made
Speaker 1: test watch loved it, and an unsolved TikTok mystery that's
Speaker 1: been brought to our attention. Uh here's a night email
Speaker 1: from listener Sally Hey Night Call as the official Conspiracy
Speaker 1: Theory podcast. I had to share this one on Howie
Speaker 1: Mandel that just recently surfaced on TikTok. Howie Mandel has
Speaker 1: been posting some weird videos online and while some of
Speaker 1: it reads is awkward, out of touch boomer humor, another
Speaker 1: TikTok user brought attention to some of the disturbing, circumstantial
Speaker 1: details embedded in his recent videos. So basically, somebody formed
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory about these Howie Mandell videos on can
Speaker 1: we read on a little bit about this? Because go on,
Speaker 1: we are not on TikTok and maybe you're not either,
Speaker 1: so this is uh, we will we will give you
Speaker 1: a link if you are on TikTok but um or
Speaker 1: if you want to check it out. But to us
Speaker 1: this was this was a strange missive from another land.
Speaker 1: The email goes on the thing that caught me was
Speaker 1: that in one of his videos there are a few
Speaker 1: tiny numbers written in the brim of his hat. In
Speaker 1: the video, the users claims this says one three to
Speaker 1: dash zero and means armed intruder, which I can't find
Speaker 1: any evidence of. However, according to Wikipedia, one three two
Speaker 1: means armed robbery in Quebec and how he is Canadian
Speaker 1: though he's not Quebec quas But some have also noted
Speaker 1: that since TikTok front facing cameras create a mirror image,
Speaker 1: how he would have intentionally had to write these numbers
Speaker 1: backwards in his hat in order for it to be
Speaker 1: legible on camera. Also, the caption of this video is twenty,
Speaker 1: the joke being that he wants to restart and declare
Speaker 1: it New Year on that date. But someone figured out
Speaker 1: that when converted to the alphabet, eight equals aged, fourteen
Speaker 1: equals and twenty equals t, which gives us agent which
Speaker 1: could mean hostage negotiation team. He also apparently posted a
Speaker 1: video of him flushing a note and a bottle down
Speaker 1: a toilet to the music of message in a bottle
Speaker 1: by police, sending an S O S to the world.
Speaker 1: So is Howie Mandel being held against his will? Well?
Speaker 1: Probably not. I feel like we have to tell zoomers
Speaker 1: that everybody has always responded the same way to Howie Mandel,
Speaker 1: which is to be like, what what he blows up
Speaker 1: a silicon glove on his head? This is his main bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, if someone's going to like give us a
Speaker 1: distracting thing, I'm sure let it be Howie Mandel. Well,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of conspiracies like this, And we
Speaker 1: were talking about the TikTok conspiracy teens last time, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff like this now. People are like,
Speaker 1: if I can just zoom in far enough, I'll be
Speaker 1: able to solve this mystery from home and reading things
Speaker 1: into people's behavior and body language that maybe isn't there.
Speaker 1: But but writing on the inside, writing on the hat
Speaker 1: brim is strange. It's strange. But there's been a bunch
Speaker 1: of these things recently where somebody is like, this person
Speaker 1: is being held hostage, and then that person has to
Speaker 1: come forward and be like, I'm not being held hostage,
Speaker 1: like with the Wayfair Cabinets thing, and then they people
Speaker 1: are still like, that's just what somebody who's being held
Speaker 1: hostage would say. It seems like it would actually make
Speaker 1: you insane if it did happen to you. But I
Speaker 1: was also reminded that conspiracies like this are not native
Speaker 1: to the Internet. That maybe the first one is the
Speaker 1: Paul is Dead conspiracy first, for sure, that was one,
Speaker 1: But I think they are a tale as old as time. Really. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is like when people all decide
Speaker 1: to believe something, then it's like if you contradict them,
Speaker 1: it makes them It just sort of more makes them
Speaker 1: feel like true believers. It's like everyone's against us, but
Speaker 1: we know that how a Mandela's being kept. What if
Speaker 1: he is though, what if he is? I know, what
Speaker 1: if he is? What if he needs help? He's posting
Speaker 1: a lot on TikTok he has seven point eight million followers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's like, um, what's that band
Speaker 1: everyone's where as they hate but they're constantly selling out.
Speaker 1: There could be millions of those bands. Nickelback is the
Speaker 1: one I'm specifically thinking of. Uh. And if you look
Speaker 1: at the video that the emailer was talking about, his
Speaker 1: hat says, do not disturb. It's a white hat and
Speaker 1: he's wearing a white shirt. I don't think writing under
Speaker 1: the bill of a cap is so unusual, but writing
Speaker 1: it backwards for the camera would be. Listen, I'm zooming
Speaker 1: in as much as I can. I tried pausing a
Speaker 1: couple of times. I am not sure how you can
Speaker 1: be positive those are even the right numbers. It's very
Speaker 1: tiny stuff. Um, he's a prop comedian. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to get seven point eight million followers
Speaker 1: or whatever, a good way to do it would be
Speaker 1: to start a conspiracy that you were being held hostage
Speaker 1: so that people like us became like, well, Howie Mandel
Speaker 1: got to keep an eye on him. It's probably a
Speaker 1: good publicity for the Howie Mandel brand. Now zoomers know
Speaker 1: Howie Mandel is ultimately works for Howie Mandel unless somebody
Speaker 1: tries to rescue him. But I feel like people do
Speaker 1: this too about the Brittany Instagram videos, and in that case,
Speaker 1: I feel like something is going on. Oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people being like, wear something
Speaker 1: yellow if you're being held hostage, and then she'll wear
Speaker 1: something yellow. Well, speaking of Unsolved Mysteries, um, we watched
Speaker 1: some of the Unsolved Mysteries reboot on Netflix. So good.
Speaker 1: I see you, Joel, have you seen it? I did,
Speaker 1: and I love it. It's great. Did something on Twitter
Speaker 1: today that uh some Molly liked. It was just the
Speaker 1: fact that like at the end of each one, you like,
Speaker 1: he didn't solve it yet. This going in cases that
Speaker 1: have not yet been solved, and yet every time I'm like,
Speaker 1: how though it was. I also love the like format
Speaker 1: of this show, which was like if you watched it
Speaker 1: back in the day, Like occasionally there's like a very
Speaker 1: serious episode where're like, oh my god, we need to
Speaker 1: rally as a nation and figure this out. But then
Speaker 1: there would be like these very weird one off ones
Speaker 1: were like aliens, I don't think so, and they all
Speaker 1: same spirit and energy throughout this series. And I really
Speaker 1: liked that exept for episode five well, which was my favorite.
Speaker 1: I think my brother told me to watch it. He
Speaker 1: was like, you gotta watch this episode about this Berkshire's
Speaker 1: alien exiting. Let me just tell you guys that this.
Speaker 1: So in nineteen line there a UFO came and abducted
Speaker 1: several residents of towns in the Berkshires, going from Sheffield, Lennox,
Speaker 1: uh Great Barrington. All of those are in Massachusetts. I
Speaker 1: believe it all went down to maybe New Canaan, Connecticut.
Speaker 1: This is I lived there. I lived there, and I
Speaker 1: never heard anybody talking about this though apparently it is
Speaker 1: Massachusetts lore. Well, when we read Communion, which takes place
Speaker 1: in upstate New York and is it about an alien abduction,
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about how the environment of upstate
Speaker 1: New York could really make you feel like you are
Speaker 1: having ufolk experience. Great Barrington's cosmopolitan compared to a lot
Speaker 1: of the surrounding towns. Great Barrington was the first place
Speaker 1: that I ever had macrobiotic food. Bizarrely, there was a
Speaker 1: man who opened a place that was like satan and sushi. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean my parents met in the Berkshire, so I
Speaker 1: immediately was like, Mom and Dad, where were you? Had
Speaker 1: they met in nineteen They had not, which was also
Speaker 1: fun to think about. But my mom did like spend
Speaker 1: summers in the Berkshires around that time, but she had
Speaker 1: not heard anything about this was not familiar. I was like,
Speaker 1: watch the episode. It's a great cast of characters, UM,
Speaker 1: including Tom Reid, who you may recall from ancient Aliens. Uh.
Speaker 1: I certainly thought I did recall him from ancient Aliens,
Speaker 1: so I checked and he was on it. Um. It's
Speaker 1: a very it's a very beautiful episode. A lot of
Speaker 1: drone shots of forests and lakes and like people like
Speaker 1: beautiful silver haired people kind of walking around with a
Speaker 1: cane talking about that day that night in the woods.
Speaker 1: Also because nobody dies, so nobody dies or gets hurt,
Speaker 1: or if they did get hurt, they don't really remember it,
Speaker 1: but they do all have a transformative experience. And the
Speaker 1: idea of a covered bridge being the portal to the
Speaker 1: other world was very sticky to my brain. Oh yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: if Beetlejuice didn't already make you think twice about covered bridges,
Speaker 1: this will um. But we also watched the more serious
Speaker 1: first episode, which was that is one of those where,
Speaker 1: like Joel said, I was like, they haven't solved this um,
Speaker 1: and that is the case. It's called Mystery on the
Speaker 1: Rooftop and it's about Ray rivera UM who disappeared in
Speaker 1: two thousands or he he died in two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: The body was found, but the mysterious circumstances surrounding his
Speaker 1: death have made people very curious, including he left a
Speaker 1: note taped to the back of his computer I think
Speaker 1: with a code on it potentially could call it that.
Speaker 1: It's it's like such a mix of like what has
Speaker 1: cinematically been portrayed as like schizophrenic behavior of like what
Speaker 1: do these messages mean? And it's like very like here's
Speaker 1: some biblical verses, here's some stuff from movies. Like it's
Speaker 1: all over the place, and it also seems like something
Speaker 1: that a younger version of myself, which is be like
Speaker 1: here's a bunch of random thoughts. I was put this
Speaker 1: year for later like it could be nothing, but because
Speaker 1: like science has failed, I just don't want to die
Speaker 1: in a way that science can't figure it out. Like
Speaker 1: that really creeps me out. I'm like, Okay, so all
Speaker 1: of our best minds looked at this and they're like,
Speaker 1: we don't know how he Did he fall from a roof?
Speaker 1: Did he jump from a roof? Was he pushed from
Speaker 1: a higher How would you have possibly gone? Like it's
Speaker 1: just the number of the levels of that mystery. I
Speaker 1: had to lay down afterwards. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: very overwhelming. It fully gave us the creeps which other
Speaker 1: people had said it would do, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what do they mean? And then I watched it. I
Speaker 1: was like, we got a very good night email about
Speaker 1: it that I would like to briefly read UM from
Speaker 1: night listener Claire, who said that episode flipped me out.
Speaker 1: First of all, I vaguely remember this case. It was
Speaker 1: on the news and the couple lived in Roland Park.
Speaker 1: The investigative reporter Jane Miller, who's like the kind of
Speaker 1: the protagonist of the episode, the one breaking the story,
Speaker 1: seems awesome. UM is the Creme de the creme of
Speaker 1: Baltimore celebrity culture. The Belvedere was a hotel, but it
Speaker 1: had been made into condos. It had a restaurant in
Speaker 1: the bottom with a huge ornate find cec bar and
Speaker 1: enormous carved wooden owls. I didn't go there much because
Speaker 1: it was expensive and fratty, but the rumor was always
Speaker 1: that Zelda Fitzgerald had drunkenly danced on the bar there.
Speaker 1: The real place was the Ridiculous nightclub on the top floor.
Speaker 1: Called the Floor. You can see how the Ledge is
Speaker 1: on the eleventh floor in the show, but the top
Speaker 1: floor had this sort of dingy, fancy club, which when
Speaker 1: I was in Baltimore and being an idiot, had fallen
Speaker 1: on sort of hard times. I remembered. I ended up
Speaker 1: djaying there with my friend on a Sunday night, and
Speaker 1: the sheer misery of taking crates up in the tiny
Speaker 1: elevator made it we never contemplated again. Also, the guy
Speaker 1: who ran the night was sort of a Ledge. So
Speaker 1: I looked up up photos of the club and it's
Speaker 1: very creepy because it's kind of like Austin powers E.
Speaker 1: It's not really expect The bottom floor one is the
Speaker 1: like creepy turn of the Sound Tree one with the
Speaker 1: carved owls and the Zelda Fitzgerald story. But the thirteenth
Speaker 1: floor is like a weird, scary mod kind of themed thing,
Speaker 1: which is creepy in a different way. But I just
Speaker 1: thought that building because they kept showing the building the
Speaker 1: belvedere which the victim was pushed off of probably and yeah,
Speaker 1: it just was so creepy. It reminded me of just
Speaker 1: those panting shots at the beginning of Rosemary's Baby of
Speaker 1: the Dakota, you know, just the creepiness of a building
Speaker 1: to where it has this long history and it was
Speaker 1: once the fanciest place in town and now it's sort
Speaker 1: of run down and then it gets turned into condos. Yah,
Speaker 1: I mean it definitely. It looks a lot like some
Speaker 1: of the downtown l a like fancy hotels that have
Speaker 1: been they attempted to be rehabbed and kind of like
Speaker 1: turned into creepier versions of themselves. Yeah, and this story
Speaker 1: had some similarities to the Cecil Hotel store, which is
Speaker 1: another horrible story. Unsolved crime, unsolved mystery. Um yeah, this guy, uh,
Speaker 1: it seems allegedly like his friend probably did it, who
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk to him. And that's but just the whole
Speaker 1: way they set it up of like you know, something
Speaker 1: somebody called him and you didn't know who it was
Speaker 1: and he ran out of the house. Um, and then
Speaker 1: they find this weird note that has a bunch of
Speaker 1: movies with twists listed on it, which feels kind of
Speaker 1: like a weird clue. But then you're also like, he
Speaker 1: was a screenwriter and it could just be a list
Speaker 1: of like movies he wanted to write a movie that
Speaker 1: was like it's a kind of weird list. If that's
Speaker 1: what he was going for, I mean that it could
Speaker 1: explain it. I really latched onto the code thing though,
Speaker 1: because I was like, I'll get to this one night
Speaker 1: when I'm like I just don't want to think about
Speaker 1: the world, I'll just crack this code. Well, it's also like,
Speaker 1: why was it taped to the back of the computer.
Speaker 1: That's the part where you're like, huh, it's not where
Speaker 1: I put my list, right, Like, that's is creepy. No
Speaker 1: matter what. I love unsolved mysteries though, because while I
Speaker 1: feel kind of conflicted about watching true crime stories in general,
Speaker 1: the idea that if you if you were an unsolved mystery,
Speaker 1: that everybody would just forget about you, but that like
Speaker 1: this could kind of shine a light on it makes
Speaker 1: me feel less bad watching these things because I'm like,
Speaker 1: at least it's a public service. This iteration of unsolved mystery.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of the recent true crime shows, it
Speaker 1: is like not pro cop. It kind of shows you
Speaker 1: the ways in which the cops just completely dismissed and
Speaker 1: bungled the case, you know, and how often the cops
Speaker 1: are just like it's a suicide, go away. Silly wife
Speaker 1: of a guy who clearly was not committing suicide, and
Speaker 1: that it was really the reporter and the wife who
Speaker 1: made this story continue. Yeah, I was gonna say it. Also,
Speaker 1: it's nice when reporters who won't give up on those
Speaker 1: kinds of stories get the credit that they deserve, because
Speaker 1: I think, like a lot a lot of reporters who
Speaker 1: become obsessed with stories like that get kind of ostracized, um,
Speaker 1: and because it's like it does kind of run counter
Speaker 1: to like you have to keep up with the other work,
Speaker 1: and so it becomes kind of like tiresome for your
Speaker 1: colleagues maybe or something like that. And when you are
Speaker 1: able to kind of give them the time to explain
Speaker 1: why this case deserves more attention, it's nice because you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's that's who you want, a reporter who doesn't
Speaker 1: give up on that. I thought his wife was just
Speaker 1: a very interesting character too, because she was sort of like,
Speaker 1: there wasn't you know, our marriage was great, like everything
Speaker 1: was great, something weird happened and nobody would give us
Speaker 1: the straight answer, and yeah, she just started investigating it
Speaker 1: as well. Um, And yeah, if I were her, I
Speaker 1: would want to know, Yeah, did you guys check the
Speaker 1: Clemp story. Lennyam May Clemp. That was the daughter who
Speaker 1: her like she had a son and her mom was like,
Speaker 1: this is my son now and like maybe he disappeared
Speaker 1: her husband. Which episode was that, Oh my gosh, this
Speaker 1: was okay? Hold on, I want to say episode like
Speaker 1: five or six deeply disturbed me because basically this woman
Speaker 1: was like jumping from guy to guy. She has six daughters,
Speaker 1: like she was with this guy who was like all
Speaker 1: of her daughters are like great guy, like awesome, dad
Speaker 1: loved him. She cheated with his brother, so they all
Speaker 1: moved into the house with their former uncle now new stepdad,
Speaker 1: and when she got tired of him, like one night,
Speaker 1: he just disappeared. The daughter that was also wound up
Speaker 1: disappearing had confessed to UM the first stepdad like, hey,
Speaker 1: my mom made me burn your brother his body and
Speaker 1: then we took chunks of what was left and just
Speaker 1: threw it out the car window as we drove down
Speaker 1: a highway. When and then like a couple like maybe
Speaker 1: six or eight months after that, she the daughter disappears.
Speaker 1: Um the mom at one point forces her to recant
Speaker 1: her statement, and then when she disappeared, she like went
Speaker 1: to court with her daughter's son and was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she abandoned her child, so I'm gonna take custy now.
Speaker 1: And of course she was gone so she couldn't show
Speaker 1: up to the trial. Then she told the whole family
Speaker 1: like she moved to Florida to be with boyfriend and
Speaker 1: his sisters are like, we talked to her all the time.
Speaker 1: There's no guy in Florida, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: So now all of the sisters have banned together to
Speaker 1: try to find their missing sister who they believe is dead,
Speaker 1: and try to get their mother convicted, which is just
Speaker 1: the craziest sisters. She's like on the reward path for
Speaker 1: their mother. So you're saying she's like an epic girl
Speaker 1: boss Colisi, I mean she's devian. The mom definitely gives
Speaker 1: me that's so fucked up. But I feel like there's
Speaker 1: that thing where people are like, oh, a female murderer,
Speaker 1: how progressive that look. Any One can be a sociopath, yes, um,
Speaker 1: that's scary. The one about the French family where the
Speaker 1: dad is a sociopath also super freaked me out, all
Speaker 1: me in two episodes. I'm I'm excited, I mean excited
Speaker 1: it's I'm excited to be horrified by these things instead
Speaker 1: of just life. That's why it's a good show for now. Right,
Speaker 1: You're like, it happened in the past, and maybe I
Speaker 1: can help now exactly, Um, as opposed to it's happening now,
Speaker 1: and what what do I do? I think there's also
Speaker 1: something really comforting about UM looking like true evil in
Speaker 1: the face and being like, no, I'm going to like
Speaker 1: collect all these facts and we're especially I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you I's been watching the I'll Be
Speaker 1: Gone in the Dark series not yet girls, what you
Speaker 1: guys like? I so I've done all of all the
Speaker 1: things involved with that story, Like I read the original
Speaker 1: article and then I followed all stuff on my favorite murder,
Speaker 1: and I read the now well, and like, this is
Speaker 1: such an interesting experience because as much as Um the
Speaker 1: writer like invests herself in her story, like this is
Speaker 1: her family telling her story, and so now it's like
Speaker 1: she interviewed these families, and now her family sung the
Speaker 1: story of her interviewing these families, And it's this very
Speaker 1: circular chain of like if we take the time to
Speaker 1: listen and observe, there's a chance that the most evil
Speaker 1: people out there can be caught and it's like never
Speaker 1: too late. And I think there's something so comforting, especially
Speaker 1: in modern times of being quarantined and seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of malicious evil evil that is and dumb evil, like
Speaker 1: like circumventing the CDC in the middle of a pandemic,
Speaker 1: which is just like dumbfounding lee stupid. It's comforting to
Speaker 1: be like, that's a bad guy. I recognize him, and
Speaker 1: we are going to find that guy. And I've just
Speaker 1: been watching all of the darkest, creepiest stuff lately and
Speaker 1: I find it weird the comforting at it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you're not alone in that. I started watching a
Speaker 1: bunch of haunted House movies. I think it's like because
Speaker 1: it's the type of scared you can control exactly well.
Speaker 1: It also it's it can be you can feel kind
Speaker 1: of like not not numb to what's going on, but
Speaker 1: it's like you want an emotional release that doesn't come
Speaker 1: necessarily like as scheduled as you need it. Um and
Speaker 1: and like the fear, that kind of existential dread and
Speaker 1: fear you want to just be able to like pour
Speaker 1: out some of the feelings um my goth daughter that
Speaker 1: I talked about on Twitter. Who is a Goth? Found
Speaker 1: my old copy of More Scary Stories to Tell in
Speaker 1: the Dark. Yeah, she's so little for these stories. I
Speaker 1: was terrified. I was like, I'll stop at any time.
Speaker 1: And she loves How old is your daughter? Again? She's
Speaker 1: four four years old. My son is eight, and he's
Speaker 1: like absolutely not, he's super not into it. But she's
Speaker 1: she's baby goth. As Molly said, she's a pastel goth,
Speaker 1: but she has nonetheless brilliant Oh, all the girls were
Speaker 1: reading the like that. That was the same crowd. Like
Speaker 1: I got very into like Instruments of Torture when I
Speaker 1: was like very young. My parents were like what are
Speaker 1: you reading? And I was like you there's this thing
Speaker 1: called Iron Blue Way Cook People Alive. And they're like,
Speaker 1: your seven and that's really dark, just like leaves us
Speaker 1: with death. And there's just something like about a child
Speaker 1: being able to be like no, I understand more like
Speaker 1: mortality and I want to be terrified. I'm like that
Speaker 1: kid is like kick ass. Well, this is why we
Speaker 1: found each other, Joel. It's like with the night called
Speaker 1: Night called Girl Vibe, Yeah exactly. I feel like all
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, everybody does need that release because
Speaker 1: everybody has been adapting so quickly to so many different things. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's sort of amazing how resilient human beings are and adaptable, uh,
Speaker 1: to all kinds of things. But yeah, don't beat yourself
Speaker 1: up if you feel like watching something really dark or
Speaker 1: a true crime show. Uh, whatever works. Yep, don't feat
Speaker 1: yourself up for anything right now. Maybe is good advice.
Speaker 1: Be gentle to yourself. We will be right back with
Speaker 1: our special guest, Jay Kang, to talk about the NBA bubble.
Speaker 1: Welcome back Tonight Call. We are joined today by our
Speaker 1: friend Jay Kang, writer at large New York Times magazine
Speaker 1: and one of the hosts of the time to say
Speaker 1: goodbye podcast. Welcome Jay. Okay, how's it going good. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad we're finally having you on Nightcall. I know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I've wanted to be on for a
Speaker 1: long time, and we've discussed it for a long time,
Speaker 1: and then the fact that it didn't happen made me
Speaker 1: feel like I was part of some sort of B list.
Speaker 1: But it's okay now that it's remote. You didn't have
Speaker 1: any excuse to avoid us world. If you're on the
Speaker 1: basketball the b list stands for basketball, because today we're
Speaker 1: going to talk with you about the NBA bubble in
Speaker 1: a segment we like to call as of now. Uh,
Speaker 1: night Ball, Jay, Welcome to night Ball. I'm happy to
Speaker 1: be in nightfall. Um. You have long been tweeting about
Speaker 1: something called the NBA Dark Web. Oh yeah, you're in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we're part of it. There are
Speaker 1: many people who it's like the it's like the Mormon
Speaker 1: Church when people die. If you if you don't declare
Speaker 1: that you're not in it, well, it was it was
Speaker 1: mostly a joke because there's a thing called NBA Twitter,
Speaker 1: which maybe some of your listeners know about, and it's
Speaker 1: it's a really dumb term because it's just generally it's
Speaker 1: just people talking about the NBA on Twitter. That's NBA Twitter,
Speaker 1: which I don't think is a particularly helpful term, but
Speaker 1: NBA t there tends to be very analytic and uh,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of a lot of nerds, and I
Speaker 1: will say a very multicultural group of nerds, so that's good,
Speaker 1: you know, but it is a lot of nerds trying
Speaker 1: to be the smartest about basketball. And my thing was
Speaker 1: always that sports enjoyment should be as dumb as possible.
Speaker 1: So I tried to start a counterculture of really dumb
Speaker 1: NBA takes um and nothing analytic and nothing where you
Speaker 1: try a lot of it's aspirational too, and so I
Speaker 1: didn't want it to be like people pretending to be
Speaker 1: billionaires having control over teams. I just wanted to be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that guy is good, but that guy sucks. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say that's my whole approach to watching basketball. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my approach of watching TV. I have no analytic
Speaker 1: analysis or like appreciation of it at all. I just
Speaker 1: think that show sucked or I hate that guy or
Speaker 1: that guy is great. Um, but I guess that's just
Speaker 1: my fresh everything. Well, I do feel like it's like
Speaker 1: when you bring stats into something like that. Like that's
Speaker 1: also why like something like lost Fandom became so annoying,
Speaker 1: because it's like, if you can't enjoy the thing without
Speaker 1: all the additional information that only like super fans and
Speaker 1: super nerds are seeking out, it's probably not that good.
Speaker 1: What are other shows like that? Um, Easter Eggs? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that like the show is like a meta show
Speaker 1: True Detective. I was going to say True Detective season
Speaker 1: one and that was that was an enjoyable Easter eggs
Speaker 1: slash Reddit hunt kind of thing. I love True Detective
Speaker 1: season two personally because it's all about the corruption in Vernon, California,
Speaker 1: which is like a city that has no residents. It's
Speaker 1: all just companies. Oh, I never I didn't watch too.
Speaker 1: It's a it was much maligned, but I had a
Speaker 1: very NBA the Dark Web NBA take that it was
Speaker 1: in fact the best season. Is there like a True
Speaker 1: Detective thing that's like The Wire where people say that
Speaker 1: season two is the best season. It's just like, it's
Speaker 1: just like The Wire. Season two it's like totally has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the first except it's about, you know,
Speaker 1: some weird stuff and some true detective. I think Molly
Speaker 1: may have been part of a very small cohort that
Speaker 1: held the belief that season two was better than season one,
Speaker 1: but you did make some good arguments for it. I
Speaker 1: also think if you watch it now, it's like the
Speaker 1: acting is silly, but some of the stuff about rich
Speaker 1: people having secret orgies turned out to be true. So
Speaker 1: Detective season two, I watched the first season, I didn't watch.
Speaker 1: The true touch of season two is very confusing, but
Speaker 1: also uh, kind of makes sense if you're really into
Speaker 1: l a real estate and associated topic. Any feels further
Speaker 1: Afield and the y our season two, which I think
Speaker 1: like people think that the second season the Wire is
Speaker 1: the best season. But all those are being totally contrarian,
Speaker 1: and maybe some of them might also be like white supremacists,
Speaker 1: where they you know, because the season and the seasons
Speaker 1: the Russians or whatever. Yeah, I'm also a fan of Trema,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I like that show. Yeah, it's great. Um,
Speaker 1: it was about a city coming back after a disaster,
Speaker 1: people taking advantage of it. So speaking of disasters and
Speaker 1: disaster capitalism, can you explain the NBA bubble to our
Speaker 1: sports call? It's also nightball? It's night ball, and it's
Speaker 1: sports call, it's it's the Night Ball Association. So the
Speaker 1: NBA needed to finish its season, and the reason why
Speaker 1: it needed to do that is because a lot of
Speaker 1: their economy is based off revenue, which I guess every
Speaker 1: sort of businesses, but um, it's more crucial to the
Speaker 1: NBA because the players get paid as part of the revenue,
Speaker 1: so they get part of the revenue split, and so
Speaker 1: if the NBA stops, then they can't cash in the
Speaker 1: rest of their TV deals, which means that there's a
Speaker 1: very low amount of revenue, which means the players get
Speaker 1: less money, right, And so that means that management and
Speaker 1: the players both have incentive to finish out the season.
Speaker 1: And so that's basically what happened, is that there was
Speaker 1: this huge financial incentive to do it UM and the
Speaker 1: future of the league. The ownership says it would be
Speaker 1: on the line if they didn't do it, and that
Speaker 1: they would have to go back and start a new
Speaker 1: collective bargaining agreement that UM wouldn't make the players get
Speaker 1: all big pay cuts. I think a lot of that
Speaker 1: is specious, but um, you know, that's sort of the
Speaker 1: narrative that is out there. And so to solve that,
Speaker 1: they said, well, how do we make the safest environment possible?
Speaker 1: And so they created a bubble or a so called
Speaker 1: bubble quote unquote bubble. They're all in Disney World right
Speaker 1: now in Florida and Orlando, and they have all these
Speaker 1: They have a hundred and twenty six pages of rules
Speaker 1: about like what you can do. They have a snitch
Speaker 1: line where players can snitch on other players are breaking
Speaker 1: the rules, which apparently is totally full at this point,
Speaker 1: like you know, like they don't have any messages left
Speaker 1: in their space, which I think is hilarious. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's been a drama to just
Speaker 1: watch all the players get there. Some of them are
Speaker 1: testing positive even within the bubble, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: they're basically playing basketball and banquet rooms. Like you know,
Speaker 1: there's banquet halls and hotels where you open the wrong door,
Speaker 1: you thinks the bathroom and then you look and there's
Speaker 1: like this gigantic hall. They converted some of those into
Speaker 1: basketball courts and that's where they're practicing. It's it's very weird.
Speaker 1: This is like the world's worst reality show or maybe
Speaker 1: best reality show. If you are awful, Um that's are
Speaker 1: are you able? I know nothing? Are you able to
Speaker 1: watch this? Like is it just unfolding via media reports
Speaker 1: or well there are reporters in the bubble. But it's
Speaker 1: weird because the reporters in the bubble are almost they're
Speaker 1: just to like say that they're in the bubble because
Speaker 1: they're not allowed to interact with any of the players
Speaker 1: or coaches, and so they kind of like sit in
Speaker 1: their hotel room as far as I can tell, and
Speaker 1: they have this little like, but they can't actually go
Speaker 1: into the locker rooms or watch the practices or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Um, so the way that people have been
Speaker 1: watching it is through Instagram stories basically. And so on
Speaker 1: the first night the players got there, one of them
Speaker 1: took a photo of his food, you know, which looked
Speaker 1: it really did look like an airplane meal, you know,
Speaker 1: and he was like, this is not gonna work. And
Speaker 1: then some of the players are very mad that the
Speaker 1: rooms aren't nice enough, and so like Region Rondo and
Speaker 1: the Lakers is like, oh, this is like a motel six,
Speaker 1: you know. So there's a lot of that where it's
Speaker 1: like players acting, you know, like the millionaires that they are.
Speaker 1: And then uh, and then there's a lot of uncertainty,
Speaker 1: I think, because nobody really knows if this is going
Speaker 1: to happen, and it just seems like they're kind of
Speaker 1: all adrift sitting there like I don't know when is
Speaker 1: the re launched, Like when are they supposed to start
Speaker 1: actually playing at the end of this month? What do
Speaker 1: you think it will happen? Well, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think it should happen, but I think it will happen,
Speaker 1: just because I don't know someone used like the analogy
Speaker 1: that I think is probably right, although you know, it's
Speaker 1: not a particularly funny one, but it's like it's like
Speaker 1: a barge moving forward, you know, and there's so much
Speaker 1: momentum and there's so much money at stake for these people,
Speaker 1: and they basically converted to Disney World into like a
Speaker 1: basketball bubble, and like, how do you not just go forward,
Speaker 1: you know, and just try and finish it if you can.
Speaker 1: But it just seemed like there were so many red
Speaker 1: flags all along the way, you know, as with anything
Speaker 1: that tried to reopen or restart in the past month. Uhlis, Yeah,
Speaker 1: l al Fresco are idiot. Mayor reopened l A briefly
Speaker 1: and then cases like went through the roof, and then
Speaker 1: he was like, why didn't people stay home? And it's like,
Speaker 1: because you reopened everything that was that was a deal
Speaker 1: with him, because like he's so weird, because like at
Speaker 1: the beginning of it, I was getting mad at I
Speaker 1: am in Northern California, and I was getting mad at
Speaker 1: him because like he was talking like a dictator, you know,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, you're not the dictius, Like, well,
Speaker 1: we're all gonna have to stay home and it's just
Speaker 1: like you you can't talk like that, you're the fucking mayor.
Speaker 1: You're not like, you know, like you're not like the
Speaker 1: sovereign of California. And then suddenly you just switched and
Speaker 1: he's like, no, everyone can go back. And then I
Speaker 1: just remember this day, my cousin who lives in Koreatown
Speaker 1: and grew up there, called me and she's like, we
Speaker 1: can go into restaurants now and eat inside. And I
Speaker 1: was like what, and she was like, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he just woke up and decided that it was okay now.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I'm definitely not going back in a restaurant,
Speaker 1: but now everyone can. His big money donors who owned
Speaker 1: the restaurants and stuff, we're pressuring him really hard to
Speaker 1: reopen and being like you have you know, all his
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills donors were like, you have to let us reopen,
Speaker 1: like plastic surgery clinics was one of the big ones
Speaker 1: and restaurants and businesses, um, and he totally just did
Speaker 1: it and everyone got super mad. But also, yeah, just
Speaker 1: like the rates went through the roof again. It was insane,
Speaker 1: and you know, we don't have to go play in
Speaker 1: the NBA. Also, yeah, but it seems like anyone who
Speaker 1: is trying to control it, it just doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: it's worked at all anywhere. Well, the biggest problem to
Speaker 1: and l al Fresco is after he closed indoor dining,
Speaker 1: he's now encouraged. They tried to make a marketing campaign
Speaker 1: to encourage people to keep going to restaurants and eat
Speaker 1: outside where of course they can't wear masks and they
Speaker 1: are all of these sea glass things, and it's but
Speaker 1: people are just sitting there. Sucks because they allowed restaurants
Speaker 1: to suddenly expand to have outdoor dining, but they were
Speaker 1: like punishing street vendors and talking trucks the whole time.
Speaker 1: So it's just like super classist bullshit. And it's also
Speaker 1: it damages small businesses because places like you know, childcare
Speaker 1: centers and like independently owned businesses. I think that the
Speaker 1: term was like toggling on and off, Like he toggled
Speaker 1: them on, then he toggled them off. So they have
Speaker 1: no idea now when they'll be able to reopen. It
Speaker 1: just seems like they could have canceled everything for a
Speaker 1: super long time at the beginning, and nobody's willing to
Speaker 1: do that. And we're seeing that, especially with sports. There's
Speaker 1: this big push for sports to come back. But it's
Speaker 1: like clearly as a society, like we have not had
Speaker 1: our vegetables and we do not get to have dessert yet,
Speaker 1: you know, but people are like talking about sports like
Speaker 1: it's an essential industry, which is obviously not. Uh and
Speaker 1: if you're and if you're and it's just like it
Speaker 1: seems like they're putting the players lives at such risk,
Speaker 1: Like isn't anyone concerned about what a pr disaster it
Speaker 1: could be if like an NBA player dies from COVID. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one of the unseid things about all of this,
Speaker 1: which is that, uh, yes, I agree that generally young
Speaker 1: people it's very hard for them to die from coronavirus,
Speaker 1: but it also seems to be leading to some permanent
Speaker 1: effects for them, which as athletes who need to use
Speaker 1: their lungs and hearts, you know, could be bad down
Speaker 1: the line. But it's also like, you know, NBA players
Speaker 1: are gigantic human beings that are very different, you know,
Speaker 1: I think in terms than than you know, like h
Speaker 1: five ft ten person or something like that. If you're
Speaker 1: like seven ft two, you know, like you have like
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of them die of heart failure.
Speaker 1: That's why a lot of them have health problems. It
Speaker 1: is very abnormal to be seven ft two. And I
Speaker 1: actually do think that they're probably at a higher rate
Speaker 1: because you know, like they are healthy in the sense
Speaker 1: that they are amazing athletes, but they also are you know,
Speaker 1: like have very strange bodies, very strange health systems, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them do die at an earlier age.
Speaker 1: And so I don't know, like I find that the
Speaker 1: whole thing to be so like I just find it
Speaker 1: to be so weird. It's like why they say, oh,
Speaker 1: well we can't stop this, and you're like, well, why
Speaker 1: can't you stop it? You know, like, uh, I don't
Speaker 1: know how enjoyable it's gonna be. Like I mean that
Speaker 1: what we were talking about, like eating outside. I they
Speaker 1: up here in Berkeley, they have this thing called four Street,
Speaker 1: which is just like a bunch of chain places like
Speaker 1: where designed within reaches for example, you know, or like Sephora,
Speaker 1: And they have an outdoor dining place there and I
Speaker 1: walked by it with my wife and kid, and it's
Speaker 1: just like it was so unpleasant because it felt so anxious,
Speaker 1: because you feel the anxiety of it, and we didn't.
Speaker 1: We ended up not eating outside because of that. And
Speaker 1: I feel like all these sports are going to be
Speaker 1: like that. You know, that there's gonna be this layer
Speaker 1: of anxiety and how of it, and that for many
Speaker 1: people they won't feel it, but I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people will feel it, especially if thousands of people
Speaker 1: in Florida are dying a week, you know, like uh,
Speaker 1: which I think will start happening by the time that
Speaker 1: they launched, you know, so in some ways they have
Speaker 1: this horrible timing because when they made this idea of
Speaker 1: Florida wasn't it was okay, you know, and now Florida
Speaker 1: is definitely not okay. And I think that's going to
Speaker 1: lead to like this huge It's gonna be like these
Speaker 1: guys are playing basketball and all around them people are dying.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be weird. Yeah, just the image seems
Speaker 1: so fucked up again. It seems like why, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know why they're held bent on doing it is money.
Speaker 1: But like even the Olympics, which you know, we're hell
Speaker 1: bent on the Tokyo Olympics happening and said they were
Speaker 1: happening up until the very last moment when it became
Speaker 1: clear that like it could not happen, teams started dropping out. Uh.
Speaker 1: It just kind of goes to show the extent to
Speaker 1: which like the players are not really in charge. Uh,
Speaker 1: Because did you feel like like more players might decide
Speaker 1: not to go, Like, is anyone like a couple of
Speaker 1: people up that they weren't going to go? Right? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say about like eight or so players I
Speaker 1: think have said they're not going to play, and some
Speaker 1: of them are not playing because they are they have
Speaker 1: decided to opt out for political reasons more or less,
Speaker 1: you know, which is an interesting conversation, but a lot
Speaker 1: of them have kids that are sick, or have our
Speaker 1: immunocompromise and things like that, and they just don't want
Speaker 1: to deal with it. And you know, I have a
Speaker 1: lot of respect for the players who have opted out
Speaker 1: because I think it's difficult because what happens is that
Speaker 1: you know, this happens all industries, but I think particularly
Speaker 1: in sports where it's so competitive, if you're not like
Speaker 1: a superstar player, or even if you are a star player,
Speaker 1: you know, the top guys like Lebron or something, that
Speaker 1: they'll be fine, but they're all playing too um, you know,
Speaker 1: like you get black ball because of stuff like this.
Speaker 1: You know, they say, oh, his heart's like he's he
Speaker 1: doesn't care anymore, he's his heart's not in it. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, like he has he abandoned his teammates, and
Speaker 1: then the teammates get mad about it too, because they're
Speaker 1: just like, oh, well, we had a chance to win
Speaker 1: the championship that you set out because of your kid.
Speaker 1: And that type of social pressure in sports is so prevalent,
Speaker 1: and you know, these these people have set out. There's
Speaker 1: something really militaristic about it, just in terms of the
Speaker 1: way that it's like you're the most veilorized person in society,
Speaker 1: but also like they don't really care if you die
Speaker 1: doing the thing that they're paying you to do. You know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, it's even worse for like college sports,
Speaker 1: you know, where they don't even totally for sure. The Olympics.
Speaker 1: That's like the whole grift of the Olympics is nobody
Speaker 1: gets paid to do to participate and people are just
Speaker 1: banking on getting like sponsorships if they win a gold medal.
Speaker 1: But most people go broke trying to get into the Olympics,
Speaker 1: and then Henry Kissinger gets paid like more than any
Speaker 1: of us will ever see it fall asleep in the
Speaker 1: stands every Olympics. Yeah, I mean the fact that it's
Speaker 1: in Disney World also adds a layer of dystopia that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't expect. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, it's a little weird.
Speaker 1: They have done a good job in covering up almost
Speaker 1: all the branding, like they switch it out with NBA stuff,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so I haven't really seen players like
Speaker 1: getting tested in front of the castle or something, or like,
Speaker 1: you know, those would be good images if they allowed,
Speaker 1: you know, journalists to interact with people. But everything you've got,
Speaker 1: we got one call or actually an email. We got
Speaker 1: a night email on this subject. Ah, it says, hey, y'all.
Speaker 1: I read recently that one of the perks allowed to
Speaker 1: the NBA players is after hours access to Disney World rides.
Speaker 1: One of the rides they are allowed on is the
Speaker 1: Rock and Roller Coaster starring Aerosmith. Given that the ride
Speaker 1: opened over twenty years ago and in that time, Aerosmith
Speaker 1: has mostly disappeared from the culturals like geist, which band
Speaker 1: or artist would you like to see take over for
Speaker 1: the Rock and Roller Coaster? Thank you, Joshua, I, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think that Aerosmith is fine. Mean, I
Speaker 1: want to hear like cry In and you know whatever
Speaker 1: that song is the the sing women sing for the years.
Speaker 1: What do you do? Like? Do Drake on a roller coaster?
Speaker 1: That sounds terrible. They also have Love in an Elevator,
Speaker 1: which is now a horrifying song Elevators? No, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it seems it's I'm like, why kick Aerosmith? Now? You know?
Speaker 1: What about a what about a Jim Crowchy coaster? I
Speaker 1: don't think that works. Jim Crowchy would be like a
Speaker 1: floating ride logs type of thing, I think. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm fine with Aarrowsmith. I didn't realize that that. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that that ride existed. I guess I haven't
Speaker 1: been in Disney World in twenty years. But do they
Speaker 1: have that one in l A Okay, I've never been
Speaker 1: to Disney World. Yeah, I feel like okay one Aerospace.
Speaker 1: Time is past and as great as their albums have been,
Speaker 1: as much as I love the songs, as much as
Speaker 1: it made Armaged in a movie worth remembering, I really
Speaker 1: feel like we we could have updated. This is a
Speaker 1: good chance to like update it and I think about it,
Speaker 1: there's two bands that like Leap Forward. I'm not an
Speaker 1: MCR fan, but their fan base is rampant and they
Speaker 1: have like these really cool visuals. So I feel like
Speaker 1: that could be, just from a marketing perspective, a good fit. Um.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I would say Daft Punk has enough songs.
Speaker 1: Different types of artists already were with Tron, and so
Speaker 1: if you wanted to, there's a Tron roller coaster at
Speaker 1: Disney Hong Kong. I think, um, which is pretty sick
Speaker 1: Ye Daft PUNKI ish and it would be awesome. That's
Speaker 1: a good idea, But I would throw up more if
Speaker 1: Daft Punk were on my rock and roller coaster, for sure,
Speaker 1: there'd be no question. I always yeah my Chemical Romance
Speaker 1: I'm not Okay from the kids, Tess and I loved
Speaker 1: that song. I still love that song not Okay. We
Speaker 1: talked about that. We we love that song. Actually perfect
Speaker 1: Karioke song, a good roller coaster length song. There was
Speaker 1: in my top played. There was a there was no
Speaker 1: longer existent theme park that I think was the hard
Speaker 1: Rock Theme Park in Myrtle Beach, and it had a
Speaker 1: ride that was the Knights in White Satin dark Ride
Speaker 1: that I have just watched the ride through video of
Speaker 1: like a million times because it's just like an abstract,
Speaker 1: psychedelic dark ride, and it always makes me think there
Speaker 1: should just be more rides that are just based around songs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I can't. I I don't know. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know any new bands I've like, I've I've just
Speaker 1: realized the last ten years has been total media shut
Speaker 1: down for me. I haven't watched a single TV show.
Speaker 1: I think I watched one season Killing Eve, and then
Speaker 1: I watched the first See That True Detective. As he said,
Speaker 1: but that's about it. Well, you're dropping out of society,
Speaker 1: I know, I know. I just listened to I listened
Speaker 1: to like a Country Joe McDonald and walk around Berkeley
Speaker 1: talked to talk to old hippies and get in traffic
Speaker 1: altercations with them. That's what happens when you moved to Berkeley. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been six months and I can already kind of
Speaker 1: feel it. Um. I got enough fight with a traffic
Speaker 1: circle here with an old hippie guy, and he got
Speaker 1: out of his car and it was like I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the rest of my life. You know,
Speaker 1: and then one day I'm going to be him and
Speaker 1: there's gonna be like a fourty year old dad and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna yell at him and be like, you don't
Speaker 1: know how to drive around this circle? Go back to
Speaker 1: Walnut Creek whatever. They We have another question, although Molly,
Speaker 1: I don't know where this came from. What's the problem
Speaker 1: from Miles Brown, another member of the Dark Night. All right,
Speaker 1: so this Twitter this question is if Maria Janet and
Speaker 1: Beyonce had to perform under bubble circumstances, who would win Beyonce.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not even a question. Listen, Maria
Speaker 1: can no longer give vocals. We love her down, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll not shame the queen, but she's older, and she's
Speaker 1: what was her brand was hitting those high whistle notes.
Speaker 1: Don't have the range for that anymore, and her dancing
Speaker 1: is limited. So while the fandom would be like, really
Speaker 1: hype it, it's just not gonna be like Beyonce literally
Speaker 1: crushed uh Coachella, which I feel like every artist has
Speaker 1: had a stab at has done, and nobody have the
Speaker 1: set performance or the ability to make an entire docuseries
Speaker 1: movie out of their performance in there, who was the
Speaker 1: artist they wanted us to check? Janet Janet, Oh God
Speaker 1: love Janet Janet still got moves though, if we were
Speaker 1: feeling at a nostalgia period just doing the Comdition album,
Speaker 1: I have questions, don't we have to don't we have
Speaker 1: to assume that this is them at their peak? Though?
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gonna say about all of that, though,
Speaker 1: is that I feel like we're all making the false
Speaker 1: assumption that just because somebody is like super the healthiest,
Speaker 1: strongest person, doesn't mean, you know. I think, like Jay said,
Speaker 1: sometimes like people that seem superhuman have like specific health challenges,
Speaker 1: bleased on the fact that they're like performing so much,
Speaker 1: you know, Like Beyonce is like our age, And when
Speaker 1: I saw her perform live for a very long time,
Speaker 1: I was super impressed. But I was also like, that
Speaker 1: is like an incredibly difficult type of stamina to maintain
Speaker 1: all the time. Uh. And I think even someone who
Speaker 1: seems as superhuman as Beyonce could still be struck down
Speaker 1: by its weird factoring. Who would do the best show
Speaker 1: with coronavirus? I know, are we assuming they're infected with coronavirus?
Speaker 1: And the bubble it's like, is it the best performance
Speaker 1: in the bubble or is it the best performance with
Speaker 1: COVID your best performance in the bub I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with Mariah at her peak because first of all, I
Speaker 1: hate to say but you know, because I didn't want
Speaker 1: to bring this back up, but I am. I'm a
Speaker 1: long time Beyonce hater. And really I think that's why
Speaker 1: Myles asked the question. But I because t Ago I was.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's one day's most dark web takes
Speaker 1: his most It's based on it. I started ten years
Speaker 1: ago and since then, I've actually grown to appreciate much.
Speaker 1: You wrote a contrarian think piece about this before the
Speaker 1: rise and fall of contrarian think pieces, and yeah, at
Speaker 1: the beginning of it was like two thousand nine or something,
Speaker 1: He's apologize to Beyonce. I'm not gonna apologize if he
Speaker 1: had to. But the reason why it's just because Beyonce
Speaker 1: shows requires so many other people. You know, there's so
Speaker 1: much that goes into them, and if she was just
Speaker 1: sort of sitting around with three dancers, yeah, it would
Speaker 1: be a really good show because you know, like she
Speaker 1: did that with the single Ladies video that's two dancers right,
Speaker 1: two backup dancers, and she clearly can make that work.
Speaker 1: But I think that Mariah just singing by herself is
Speaker 1: better than Beyonce just singing by herself, right, and if
Speaker 1: that's the true bubble atmosphere. I also think Mariah's songs
Speaker 1: are better, like just as songs without the without the
Speaker 1: without all the performance laid on top of them. I'd
Speaker 1: rather hear um, you know, I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: think the songs are better. I'm gonna go with Mariah.
Speaker 1: I think Janet is not in the same category. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I guess I was thinking they'd also have to like
Speaker 1: compete against each other. So Molly ideas that this is
Speaker 1: like the masked singer, but under bubble circumstances like that,
Speaker 1: it's like like and then they have to play a
Speaker 1: game of horse because it's still the NBA bubble. Like
Speaker 1: I know, Beyonce, I don't think. I don't think I
Speaker 1: can plays. She can roll or blade. We know that
Speaker 1: from the videos. But even though it's very limited videos,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't count out Janet in terms of basketball and terms,
Speaker 1: but that Jane, because Janet can also give a like
Speaker 1: quiet kind of like a like an emotional quality that
Speaker 1: comes with age. Also, I mean not like Mariah doesn't
Speaker 1: have that, but I feel like Janet. I think Janet
Speaker 1: could hold her own. I don't know she's in the
Speaker 1: same category. She don't have vocals and dance moves and
Speaker 1: launched an entire movement in the eighties like we we
Speaker 1: stand a gay icon Listen. Yeah, she paid the way
Speaker 1: for many young black to feel confident in the if
Speaker 1: it okay, if it's a cafe setting vocal down, Mariah
Speaker 1: and her prime is probably who you want to see,
Speaker 1: just because she gives diva flair and you don't get
Speaker 1: to see a diva in that atmosphere. We saw Beyonce.
Speaker 1: Someone finally linked the non primal wedding that Beyonce performed
Speaker 1: at She did the pre wedding, uh, and it was
Speaker 1: gorgeous and amazing and stripped down for Beyonce. I think
Speaker 1: there were only four dancers and like half a band. Um,
Speaker 1: if we can get this many people, half the bubble
Speaker 1: can be Beyonce's people. I think Beyonce's got it. Uh.
Speaker 1: And if we just want the nostalgia and like everyone
Speaker 1: have like a dance party, it's gotta be Janet. Different
Speaker 1: shows for different folks. You know. I think what we've
Speaker 1: shown is that we want to see them all performed together,
Speaker 1: but they can't. Molly, that's the point. But I guess
Speaker 1: they could. But which one would have the best tiny desk? Right? Um?
Speaker 1: And I do agree that Maria's live vocal perform this
Speaker 1: is over the last three years have been concerning. But
Speaker 1: if you adjusted back to let's say, like Mariah would
Speaker 1: be the tiny desk that you would watch out of
Speaker 1: those three, right, this is such a we have to
Speaker 1: keep coming back to this conversation and again that's how
Speaker 1: we have to update your deeper rankings from continuously. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if anything has shifted. I still think
Speaker 1: Whitney is the best one of all time, like the
Speaker 1: best singer of all time, and then Aretha and then
Speaker 1: everybody else is like several tiers below them. I guess all.
Speaker 1: I guess Adele now is would be much higher. Can't
Speaker 1: really sing. And Adela is pro Beyonce. She was like,
Speaker 1: who gave me this Grammy? That should be Beyonce. Her
Speaker 1: last album was very bad. I thought it was so boring,
Speaker 1: like it felt like it was for like six it
Speaker 1: was she felt like she was fifty five years old
Speaker 1: or something. I feel like Adell's vocals are a little
Speaker 1: bit overhyped, and when I come to her, four doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be vocals as much as just like a motion.
Speaker 1: So I was excited when for one second it seemed
Speaker 1: like she might make a grime album. Next I was like,
Speaker 1: do that? Do that bring back nineties? Uh? Vocal electronica? Adele? Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: we have another Before we let J go, we have
Speaker 1: to ask another question from a listener. So this comes
Speaker 1: from Ethan. This question is for the King segment. Kang
Speaker 1: is forced to move into a bubble slash biodome situation
Speaker 1: and has to bring four analytics journals to live with him.
Speaker 1: Who does he choose and why this is so? This
Speaker 1: is so specific. I don't know if people will know
Speaker 1: these any of these people. Yeah, uh, one of them
Speaker 1: my friends with his name is Constant Team. But I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a lawyer. He's not really a journalist.
Speaker 1: I think I would bring him um, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that's a question. I don't know I would. I
Speaker 1: would probably bring uh by friend Pablo Tori. I think
Speaker 1: he qualifies, right, Oh, yeah, he qualifies. He's he's a
Speaker 1: very nice guy. He's a new dad as well, so
Speaker 1: shout out new dads. He's part of the dad Instagram
Speaker 1: culture of uh, you know, looking at people's stories and
Speaker 1: asking where you got like a bottle or something like that,
Speaker 1: or where'd you get that? Where'd you get that chair?
Speaker 1: Type of things is also part of the dad Instagram culture.
Speaker 1: I am I'm number one dad of Instagram. We mostly
Speaker 1: talk about plants. Yeah, oh yeah, I've gotten someone into
Speaker 1: that too, the plant thing, like what did you how
Speaker 1: do you fertilize that thing? I find that Instagram is
Speaker 1: much better when it's just functional, right, when it's just
Speaker 1: advice on the things that people are doing, and then
Speaker 1: you don't feel you don't feel that jealousy thing that
Speaker 1: I guess people feel when they're on instagrams. The idea
Speaker 1: from my new and also everyone's at home now except
Speaker 1: for celebrities on vacation. This is my idea from my
Speaker 1: new social platform. Only plants it, But Molly, I think
Speaker 1: over water, actually are your plants going to be able
Speaker 1: to sustain? For only plants? My basil is still alive.
Speaker 1: My mint. Let's let's all just pray for my mint.
Speaker 1: I would say, we'll pour one out for your mint,
Speaker 1: but has been over port. I overweted it. Um jay
Speaker 1: are we freeing watch? Um No, I don't. I mean
Speaker 1: his So that's I felt like his story, like his
Speaker 1: email to Josh Holly was kind of like in defense
Speaker 1: of the league. You know, it wasn't it wasn't really
Speaker 1: indefensive anything except him saying like, hey, you can't criticize
Speaker 1: these people for being big hypocrites about Hong Kong, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's where I was like, well, yeah, Josh Holly
Speaker 1: is not the person that you want to be defending ever.
Speaker 1: But you know, the NBA is kind of bullshit on this,
Speaker 1: and it's very easy for somebody like Josh Holly to
Speaker 1: say like, hey, well what about this? You know, you
Speaker 1: can't to do it. And it does feel like the
Speaker 1: NBA's politics. Like the NBA obviously people have said it,
Speaker 1: people think it has better politics than other sports leagues,
Speaker 1: but some of that seems like it's just optics and
Speaker 1: really they don't actually care that much about the people
Speaker 1: who work for them. Yeah, they they It's it's weird
Speaker 1: because it's like they get such a pass from the league,
Speaker 1: from the press, right and that's because of Greg Popovich
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr giving these long press conferences where they talk
Speaker 1: about black lives matter and police retality. I think all
Speaker 1: that is important, but I also think that it gives
Speaker 1: so much cover to the league and that the league
Speaker 1: basically does what is good for the league, and the
Speaker 1: League does what's good for China, and the League does
Speaker 1: what it's good for Nike, you know. And if you
Speaker 1: feel like those other two entities are always going to
Speaker 1: act in a progressive way, then I think you're like,
Speaker 1: I think you're crazy, you know, and and um, and
Speaker 1: it does allow people to wallpaper over a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I like the stuff so like, remember,
Speaker 1: like when we're in high school and college, like Nike
Speaker 1: was always being protested, right, and it was synonymous with
Speaker 1: child labor and an exploitation. And I don't think any
Speaker 1: of that has changed, but people just don't care anymore
Speaker 1: because they can wall paper it over with like Colin
Speaker 1: Kaepernick at or something like that. And it's weird how
Speaker 1: much people will just accept that now and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's cool. I mean, I think we're seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of that right now, especially as people are trying to
Speaker 1: coop the optics of the uprisings without making any you know,
Speaker 1: material change and practice or anything. Uh. I was think
Speaker 1: about it yesterday because I was driving somewhere and there
Speaker 1: was like an Apple billboard that's like Black Lives Matter,
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, it's really only been a
Speaker 1: month and there's like an Apple billboard for this, but
Speaker 1: like nothing is really you know, some police to funding
Speaker 1: has happened in some places, but like not as much
Speaker 1: as we want, you know, yeah, it's all like provisional stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. So here in Berkeley, which you would think
Speaker 1: would be you know, we're basically have three two on
Speaker 1: the city council. They're to abolitionists, full on abolitions on
Speaker 1: the city council, and the city always wants to be
Speaker 1: the most progressive city. And all they did is pass like, hey,
Speaker 1: well we'll think about this stuff, you know, with no
Speaker 1: actual defunding. And I imagine that none of that stuff
Speaker 1: is going to pass, and that maybe it will because
Speaker 1: maybe things will pick up again. These things tend to
Speaker 1: go in waves. But um, and I think we're closer
Speaker 1: now than we were before, but definitely feels like things
Speaker 1: are dissipating a little bit more and going out into
Speaker 1: the more you know, corporate spaces like do do you do?
Speaker 1: You guys? Blame any of that on on how the
Speaker 1: media sort of immediately turned the movement into like an
Speaker 1: examination of itself. No, I plame I mean tests is
Speaker 1: nodding her head yet partial. Yeah, I think neoliberalism is
Speaker 1: certainly to blame. But I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: also just sort of like heard what they want to hear,
Speaker 1: and we're like, okay, like the cops will wear you know,
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter uniforms and that will fix it, and
Speaker 1: it's like that wouldn't fix it. Also, uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that I think that the narrative
Speaker 1: of like pressuring brands to put out like sort of
Speaker 1: these meaningless messages UM and not really having the pressure
Speaker 1: to do anything to enact change was for sure contributed. Though.
Speaker 1: You know, on the other hand, I feel like we
Speaker 1: saw some positive stuff um from some individual employees who
Speaker 1: were just whistleblowing or you know, just didn't give a
Speaker 1: funk anymore, because especially in media, it's like so cutthroat
Speaker 1: that a lot of people just like didn't give a
Speaker 1: funk anymore. And so Tammy, who broke the Conde Nast
Speaker 1: story was just like tweeting. I thought, yeah, that was great,
Speaker 1: you know that that story broke through somebody just tweeting
Speaker 1: about like this is a fucked up place and here's
Speaker 1: what goes on. I was like, oh, can twitter be
Speaker 1: good sometimes? Maybe I I thought about it too, and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, there's part of it where it
Speaker 1: does feel like it's rerouted into this. But then I
Speaker 1: it's so impossible to draw a line between something that
Speaker 1: I think is obviously good, like the kind of you know,
Speaker 1: like like this reckoning mpone at the tea, which seems
Speaker 1: like it was long overdue, and then some of the
Speaker 1: more cynical versions of it that is probably better just
Speaker 1: to say it's all fine. But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it happened so quickly that um that it was
Speaker 1: a little bit surprising to me, you know, And I
Speaker 1: felt like that to me, seemed like just an active
Speaker 1: attempt to kind of like stop the momentum of the
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of like mem it into into meaninglessness. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it'll. I think things will pick up again.
Speaker 1: Me too. People are piste off and maybe it's military
Speaker 1: law martial law now and everyone's broke, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's the right I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: and nobody there's nowhere to go. Yeah, there's no leadership
Speaker 1: from anyone. That was the thing in California is that
Speaker 1: they were like the media was also covering Newsome and
Speaker 1: Garsetti as being like these great leaders in a in
Speaker 1: a troubled time, and then they both just like bifted
Speaker 1: so badly because they like listen to their business interests
Speaker 1: and reopen stuff clearly against health interests for profit. And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people realize that that system
Speaker 1: isn't working for most people. It's so weird how there's
Speaker 1: no accountability for that guy, you know, he said he
Speaker 1: wants to be president. We should uh hold them super
Speaker 1: accountable for everything. I mean, California is sucked up too,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Like we were sucked up even when
Speaker 1: we're handling it, like we have a huge homelessness crisis,
Speaker 1: Like California has been sucked up for a long time
Speaker 1: before this. I think the new thing is the feeling
Speaker 1: that people are actually actively thinking about like what could
Speaker 1: a city look like, you know, if if it were good. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of that's happening in Oakland, which actually
Speaker 1: I think is is very cool to see, but um,
Speaker 1: they just have the city is just so broke that
Speaker 1: it's almost impossible for them to do anything. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't seem particularly true with l A, Like it seems
Speaker 1: like l A could actually enact money, but they give
Speaker 1: it all to the cops. Jay, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: coming on Nightball. Uh what month do you think the
Speaker 1: NBA will stop playing? I think they will stop in August.
Speaker 1: I think that there will be like five players who
Speaker 1: test positive because they have workers of course, going in
Speaker 1: and out of the bubble. That's the really fucked up
Speaker 1: thing too. Putting all of those people who are not millionaires.
Speaker 1: You're putting their health on the line, and they, you know,
Speaker 1: like they they have to go home, and a lot
Speaker 1: of them live in places with five or six roommates,
Speaker 1: and those five or six roommates are all essential workers too.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think that it's the great
Speaker 1: hypocrisy this is that it can only run with people,
Speaker 1: not just the players taking massive risks, but also this
Speaker 1: workforce that doesn't even get the benefits of the bubble
Speaker 1: taking massive risks, and that when they say, oh well,
Speaker 1: we're going to be the most progressively and we're gonna
Speaker 1: put Black Lives Matter on the court. You know it.
Speaker 1: It's like the people who are doing the work are
Speaker 1: going to all be black and Latino, some Filipino people,
Speaker 1: and those people are that will be the ones that
Speaker 1: are getting sick. And you know it's it's that type
Speaker 1: of contradiction. I don't think it's resolvable through any amount
Speaker 1: of slogans or whatever. So we'll see. I think August though,
Speaker 1: like the end of August, it will be over all right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna call our bookie right now. You can't take
Speaker 1: bets on this, by the way, if really yeah, of
Speaker 1: course you can uncut if Uncut jumps taught us anything,
Speaker 1: Yeah you can. You can bet on anything. All right.
Speaker 1: We'll be taking best on whether JA is right Jay?
Speaker 1: Before you go, where can people find you? Uh? Just
Speaker 1: on Twitter? It's just my full name, Jake casp and
Speaker 1: Kang and um yeah, there's no reason to reach out
Speaker 1: to me. Friends, there's no reason to follow me on Twitter.
Speaker 1: It's horrible. So I like the Heart takes on Salinger.
Speaker 1: I was with you on those. Can you tell us
Speaker 1: what your podcast is? Oh? Yeah, it's a I do
Speaker 1: with two of my friends, and it's the most niche
Speaker 1: podcast possibly ever. It's for mostly for you know, like
Speaker 1: Asian leftists who uh you know, might be vacillating between
Speaker 1: Tanky is M and you know, just the d s
Speaker 1: A socialism for about eight people. But you know, we do.
Speaker 1: We talk about a lot of wide ranged things through
Speaker 1: that very specific lens. So it's we enjoy it. We
Speaker 1: love a niche podcast. We enjoy to make the most
Speaker 1: niche possible. Yeah, I think the more niche the better, honestly. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Jay. We'll be back for the
Speaker 1: next edition of the All Jim Crochy Ranking podcast. All right,
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