WEBVTT - 119: The NBA Dark Academia Web 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.720 It's eleven thirty nine pm in the Berkshires and you're 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:15.640 listening to Night Call. Hello, and welcome back to Night Call, 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.560 a call in show for our dystopian reality. I'm in 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.280 Los Angeles. I'm Tess Lynch and with me is Molly Lambert. 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:24.439 Today we will be talking about a bunch of things, 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.680 but you should definitely stick around for the second half 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.240 of the episode, where we are joined with special guest 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.479 Jay Kang. We're gonna be talking about the NBA bubble 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.040 and Diva rankings, two topics that of course our very 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.920 Nightcall sports Ball, night Ball, that's right. But before we 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.279 do that, let's take a Nightcall. Hi, n Call. I 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.760 am a high school English teacher and I am calling 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:52.320 about my quarantined experiences. UM have them listening to your 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.440 podcast last few months in quarantine and it's definitely um 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.600 kept me entertained, insane. So thank you very much. UM, 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.440 I love you all. Uh yeah, so I'm a first 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.920 year teacher, so my school ye was gonna be pretty 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:14.000 crazy regardless, but having to uh switched online learning was 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:18.960 basically no little boarding. Uh in March was doin really 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:24.440 a new wrench in the plan. UM, I don't I 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.520 don't even know if I have great stories, just more 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:33.360 like me and my student survived this time together. Um. 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:37.520 We my school basically we had no transition time. We 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.560 had one staff work day and then we were online 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.520 twice a week that we have a set schedule the 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:48.080 next week. Um. We still have grades at my school, 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.840 which I thought was from an equity standpoint, kind of 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.520 messed up. Um. Some students just kind of totally drop 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.360 off the vase there as some of them came back. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:00.000 Some of them eventually you heard a little bit from them. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.280 Had a student go missing, like his mom had to 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.200 built a police report for him. During this time, I 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.560 need high school students and I seed ten Kurds, and 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.880 I was mostly just really concerned about their mental health. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:16.920 UM and kind of uh yeah, I'm I'm just like 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.840 happy that I think they were didimally learned something from 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.040 the English teacher and we read in Medeia during this time. 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:27.240 We also, uh, we're finishing up another unit uh and 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.440 most of them we're like able to complete. But final 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:36.040 that I gave, which was an essay. UM, and hopefully 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.320 next year, next school year, we're offering me online um 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:43.520 first semefter and I'm gonna like actually know we're online. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.760 So I have some ideas in terms of I was 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.959 like actually utilizing that time. But um, yeah, the hardest 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:51.480 thing for me, and I think that was just the 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:56.360 unpredictability we kept getting told that we like might be 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.800 going back. No one ever thought we would be gone 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.000 the rest of the school year. Um. And so my 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:06.240 goal with them was really just I I was on 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.240 the news. I was on the news constantly because the 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.560 information I was getting from my administrators actually was inaccurate 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.200 and it wasn't what journalists were telling me. Um. And 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:15.760 so I just try to be really honest with my 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.600 students and uh just to like try to report information 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:25.600 about coronavirus uh and quarantine UM from new sources and 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.400 not from people in power, because people in power have 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:34.520 been letting me down. Uh yeah, all right, wow, thank 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.200 you so much for sharing that. I mean it. I 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.400 think we've all been curious how teachers are holding up 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.760 right now. I definitely would. I would really struggle with 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.360 being a teacher, especially a high school teacher. I think 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:50.320 is probably the most difficult position to be in. UM. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.000 Elementary school students are are totally you know, they're suffering 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.040 as well. From this, but I think teenagers UM have 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:03.040 a really unique, uniquely tough position right now. Um I. 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.880 I've also heard from people that I know that UM 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:09.960 a lot of teens are running away, which is really 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:14.640 awful to consider that happening during quarantine. So thank you 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.720 so much for sharing that. That's yikes. Yeah, yeah, thank you. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:23.440 And if you have any stories about working under the 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.840 pandemic that you'd like to share with Nightcall, we are 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.120 happy to make you anonymous. Always leave us a night 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.400 call to four oh for sixth night. UM. Yeah. I 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.120 feel like teachers are being put in a specially difficult 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:41.600 position because they are also kind of de facto child 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.520 care workers for a lot of people. So it feels 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:48.320 like it's like parents are putting an impossible position, teachers 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.800 are putting an impossible position, the kids are being put 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:56.400 in an impossible position, and nobody is uh, nobody has 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:01.040 a good plan, they're only bad plans. Well. Also, I 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.200 mean it's so hard because when I talked to other 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.240 parents and we try to think creatively about how to 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:11.839 make like an equitable UM student group kind of situation, 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.679 Like I really don't like the idea of people forming 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:20.120 pods and hiring private tutors for obvious reasons, but it 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.200 does seem as though there's a possibility for schools, Like 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.680 I was thinking, is that something people are doing? Oh yeah, 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:31.280 oh my god, wait what so yeah, so you're blowing 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.000 the lid off something here that It's like it doesn't 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.200 surprise me as soon as you said it. It's like 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.400 the people who were like, people are gonna if we 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.440 get rid of the police, there will be privatized police. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:44.360 It's like rich people all have that already. Like, so, 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.520 the the issue that I phase even like talking about 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.240 this is that everyone's in an impossible situation and no 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:54.279 one's trying to be an asshole. However, I don't really 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.400 understand how um taking a group of I've heard people 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.839 are paying like thousands and thou sens of dollars for 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:05.120 private tutors per month, and I understand wanting that, but 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:10.520 I can't understand going for that under these circumstances. Um. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.960 One thing that I keep coming back to you also 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.400 is not only how unfair that is and how it 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.599 leaves out the people who need it the most, but 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.679 also just from a potential problem standpoint. I mean, schools 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.479 are heavily ensured for instance, there are teachers who are trained, 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.080 although not many of them don't do a great job 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.080 at this, a lot of them do of dealing with 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:34.520 kids who have who are twice exceptional behavioral issues, all 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.600 sorts of things that would be impossible for a private 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.600 tutor with no like real experience to deal with in 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.599 a you know, I mean it, possibly kids could get hurt. 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.840 There's like no oversight, and so it just seems like 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.320 even for the people who are able to do that, 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.880 even leaving aside the issues of how unfair that is 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.440 and how you know, privileged you have to be to 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:59.839 do that, it also could create really horrible consequences. And 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.920 I think it's just again like a frustrating thing about 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.760 having no oversight right now, is that there are probably 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.760 ways for schools to work with for instance, rec centers 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.960 and transfer insurance and break kids up into pods that 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:18.160 were even optional, and have staff be paid to you know, 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.800 have a safe number of kids in an outdoor environment, 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.440 and it wouldn't be determined by the ability to pay. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:26.400 When it wouldn't be able to be parents saying well, 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.920 this kid's well behaved and I like the parents, so 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.960 let's make a pot. It would it would be able 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.160 to be kind of like a public school system. Um, 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.840 I don't know, I'm sure it's like basically impossible to 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.840 make that work, but it's so much of a better 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.760 option than what people are doing right now. Yeah, And 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.960 like my friend who's a public school teacher was saying, 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.000 she was like, the l A public schools. You know, 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.360 most public schools in this country have been sucked up 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.760 for a super long time before this. This is like 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.920 a huge crisis, but like they've been in crisis, yes, 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.920 um so yeah, I mean the again, it just seems 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.000 like I hope some people are thinking. It seems like 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.520 you're thinking about it a lot obviously. Well, I mean, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.240 it's the possibility, it's I guess the only thing that 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.320 you have to hold onto is the hope that this 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.080 could be reinvented so it's a better system and it's 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.600 more fair. And I mean, right now l A public 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.320 schools are are they've been Yeah, they've been suffering for 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.760 a long time. A lot of them are severely underfunded. Charters. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.360 Very tricky situation with charters to like in in l 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.600 A in particular, especially the ones that are taking a 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.079 ton of money away from public schools. People are opting 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.439 out of public schools. There's also the discussion of if 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.360 you enroll your child from an l A public school. 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.160 I think the funding has been frozen at last year's levels, 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.160 but a lot of people are taking their kids out 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.960 to homeschool. Um. And you know, again that's a very 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.720 privileged position to take, and it could in the long 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.320 run end up damaging public schools as a as a 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:03.000 you know, institution, which is they should not be damaged 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.319 more so, Yeah, I mean, it's it's I really feel 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.480 for teachers, and I especially think that the fact that 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.280 teachers are generally planners and that one of the things 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.200 that they have to do for their students is to 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.720 outline how things are going to play out. And the 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.200 fact that you know, initially we were told two weeks 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:24.280 the schools would be closed for two weeks, and I 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:28.960 think everyone had a sense that that was not true. Um. 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.280 And but it also took away the ability to say, 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.280 I'm going to guess that schools won't open for a 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.679 full year, basically, so how do I plan for that? 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.360 And for kids to think like, oh, I'm I have 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.840 two weeks off school now, I have like three months 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.680 off school now, I've got nine months off school. It's 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.360 really hard for a lot of kids to roll with 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:49.960 that without being kind of damaged by it. So it sucks. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:56.120 It sucks, It sucks. Thank you for this great like call. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.080 We are gonna take a break and we'll be right back. 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:17.000 Welcome back tonight Call. We're gonna talk just briefly about 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:23.000 some unsolved mysteries, the show Unsolved Mysteries that I made 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:28.600 test watch loved it, and an unsolved TikTok mystery that's 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.800 been brought to our attention. Uh here's a night email 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:36.760 from listener Sally Hey Night Call as the official Conspiracy 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.280 Theory podcast. I had to share this one on Howie 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.320 Mandel that just recently surfaced on TikTok. Howie Mandel has 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.400 been posting some weird videos online and while some of 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:50.200 it reads is awkward, out of touch boomer humor, another 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:55.200 TikTok user brought attention to some of the disturbing, circumstantial 0:10:55.400 --> 0:11:01.600 details embedded in his recent videos. So basically, somebody formed 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:07.280 a conspiracy theory about these Howie Mandell videos on can 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.800 we read on a little bit about this? Because go on, 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.000 we are not on TikTok and maybe you're not either, 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.920 so this is uh, we will we will give you 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.120 a link if you are on TikTok but um or 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:20.800 if you want to check it out. But to us 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.559 this was this was a strange missive from another land. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.520 The email goes on the thing that caught me was 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.240 that in one of his videos there are a few 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.680 tiny numbers written in the brim of his hat. In 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.880 the video, the users claims this says one three to 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.400 dash zero and means armed intruder, which I can't find 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.760 any evidence of. However, according to Wikipedia, one three two 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.360 means armed robbery in Quebec and how he is Canadian 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.080 though he's not Quebec quas But some have also noted 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.040 that since TikTok front facing cameras create a mirror image, 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.320 how he would have intentionally had to write these numbers 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:52.959 backwards in his hat in order for it to be 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.880 legible on camera. Also, the caption of this video is twenty, 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.800 the joke being that he wants to restart and declare 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:02.200 it New Year on that date. But someone figured out 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.960 that when converted to the alphabet, eight equals aged, fourteen 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.120 equals and twenty equals t, which gives us agent which 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:12.920 could mean hostage negotiation team. He also apparently posted a 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:14.920 video of him flushing a note and a bottle down 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:16.800 a toilet to the music of message in a bottle 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.600 by police, sending an S O S to the world. 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:25.360 So is Howie Mandel being held against his will? Well? 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.360 Probably not. I feel like we have to tell zoomers 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.800 that everybody has always responded the same way to Howie Mandel, 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:39.080 which is to be like, what what he blows up 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.080 a silicon glove on his head? This is his main bit. 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.320 I mean, if someone's going to like give us a 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:50.800 distracting thing, I'm sure let it be Howie Mandel. Well, 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.480 there's been a lot of conspiracies like this, And we 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.840 were talking about the TikTok conspiracy teens last time, but 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.800 there's a lot of stuff like this now. People are like, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:05.120 if I can just zoom in far enough, I'll be 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:09.360 able to solve this mystery from home and reading things 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:15.520 into people's behavior and body language that maybe isn't there. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.840 But but writing on the inside, writing on the hat 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.160 brim is strange. It's strange. But there's been a bunch 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.240 of these things recently where somebody is like, this person 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.480 is being held hostage, and then that person has to 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.040 come forward and be like, I'm not being held hostage, 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.920 like with the Wayfair Cabinets thing, and then they people 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.839 are still like, that's just what somebody who's being held 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.280 hostage would say. It seems like it would actually make 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.200 you insane if it did happen to you. But I 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.640 was also reminded that conspiracies like this are not native 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.760 to the Internet. That maybe the first one is the 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:56.200 Paul is Dead conspiracy first, for sure, that was one, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.840 But I think they are a tale as old as time. Really. Yeah. 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.000 I think the thing is like when people all decide 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.080 to believe something, then it's like if you contradict them, 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.920 it makes them It just sort of more makes them 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:12.320 feel like true believers. It's like everyone's against us, but 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.240 we know that how a Mandela's being kept. What if 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:16.600 he is though, what if he is? I know, what 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.600 if he is? What if he needs help? He's posting 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:24.200 a lot on TikTok he has seven point eight million followers. Yeah, 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.200 I don't know if he's like, um, what's that band 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.760 everyone's where as they hate but they're constantly selling out. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.840 There could be millions of those bands. Nickelback is the 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.640 one I'm specifically thinking of. Uh. And if you look 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.040 at the video that the emailer was talking about, his 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.920 hat says, do not disturb. It's a white hat and 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.480 he's wearing a white shirt. I don't think writing under 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.200 the bill of a cap is so unusual, but writing 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.640 it backwards for the camera would be. Listen, I'm zooming 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:55.440 in as much as I can. I tried pausing a 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:59.160 couple of times. I am not sure how you can 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.640 be positive those are even the right numbers. It's very 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:08.480 tiny stuff. Um, he's a prop comedian. Yeah. I mean, 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.080 if you wanted to get seven point eight million followers 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.400 or whatever, a good way to do it would be 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.600 to start a conspiracy that you were being held hostage 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.720 so that people like us became like, well, Howie Mandel 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.440 got to keep an eye on him. It's probably a 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.680 good publicity for the Howie Mandel brand. Now zoomers know 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:30.200 Howie Mandel is ultimately works for Howie Mandel unless somebody 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.880 tries to rescue him. But I feel like people do 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.600 this too about the Brittany Instagram videos, and in that case, 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.920 I feel like something is going on. Oh yeah, you know, 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.360 And there's a lot of people being like, wear something 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.200 yellow if you're being held hostage, and then she'll wear 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:50.840 something yellow. Well, speaking of Unsolved Mysteries, um, we watched 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.720 some of the Unsolved Mysteries reboot on Netflix. So good. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.320 I see you, Joel, have you seen it? I did, 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.200 and I love it. It's great. Did something on Twitter 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:05.200 today that uh some Molly liked. It was just the 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:06.720 fact that like at the end of each one, you like, 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:12.520 he didn't solve it yet. This going in cases that 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.520 have not yet been solved, and yet every time I'm like, 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:20.560 how though it was. I also love the like format 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.880 of this show, which was like if you watched it 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.200 back in the day, Like occasionally there's like a very 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.440 serious episode where're like, oh my god, we need to 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.080 rally as a nation and figure this out. But then 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.240 there would be like these very weird one off ones 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.520 were like aliens, I don't think so, and they all 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.880 same spirit and energy throughout this series. And I really 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:44.160 liked that exept for episode five well, which was my favorite. 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.640 I think my brother told me to watch it. He 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.320 was like, you gotta watch this episode about this Berkshire's 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:57.720 alien exiting. Let me just tell you guys that this. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:03.520 So in nineteen line there a UFO came and abducted 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:09.240 several residents of towns in the Berkshires, going from Sheffield, Lennox, 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.159 uh Great Barrington. All of those are in Massachusetts. I 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.280 believe it all went down to maybe New Canaan, Connecticut. 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.679 This is I lived there. I lived there, and I 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.679 never heard anybody talking about this though apparently it is 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.960 Massachusetts lore. Well, when we read Communion, which takes place 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:31.280 in upstate New York and is it about an alien abduction, 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:35.439 we talked a lot about how the environment of upstate 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.480 New York could really make you feel like you are 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:43.720 having ufolk experience. Great Barrington's cosmopolitan compared to a lot 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.679 of the surrounding towns. Great Barrington was the first place 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:51.800 that I ever had macrobiotic food. Bizarrely, there was a 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:55.240 man who opened a place that was like satan and sushi. Yeah. 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.760 I mean my parents met in the Berkshire, so I 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:04.000 immediately was like, Mom and Dad, where were you? Had 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.160 they met in nineteen They had not, which was also 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.600 fun to think about. But my mom did like spend 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.400 summers in the Berkshires around that time, but she had 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:16.199 not heard anything about this was not familiar. I was like, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.880 watch the episode. It's a great cast of characters, UM, 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:25.159 including Tom Reid, who you may recall from ancient Aliens. Uh. 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.920 I certainly thought I did recall him from ancient Aliens, 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.400 so I checked and he was on it. Um. It's 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.399 a very it's a very beautiful episode. A lot of 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.399 drone shots of forests and lakes and like people like 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.680 beautiful silver haired people kind of walking around with a 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:45.760 cane talking about that day that night in the woods. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.800 Also because nobody dies, so nobody dies or gets hurt, 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.199 or if they did get hurt, they don't really remember it, 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.399 but they do all have a transformative experience. And the 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.919 idea of a covered bridge being the portal to the 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:02.600 other world was very sticky to my brain. Oh yeah, Well, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.960 if Beetlejuice didn't already make you think twice about covered bridges, 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.840 this will um. But we also watched the more serious 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.960 first episode, which was that is one of those where, 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.000 like Joel said, I was like, they haven't solved this um, 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.280 and that is the case. It's called Mystery on the 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.159 Rooftop and it's about Ray rivera UM who disappeared in 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.600 two thousands or he he died in two thousand and six. 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:30.159 The body was found, but the mysterious circumstances surrounding his 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.159 death have made people very curious, including he left a 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.440 note taped to the back of his computer I think 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:40.320 with a code on it potentially could call it that. 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.040 It's it's like such a mix of like what has 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.800 cinematically been portrayed as like schizophrenic behavior of like what 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.720 do these messages mean? And it's like very like here's 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.480 some biblical verses, here's some stuff from movies. Like it's 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.320 all over the place, and it also seems like something 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:01.080 that a younger version of myself, which is be like 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:02.879 here's a bunch of random thoughts. I was put this 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.680 year for later like it could be nothing, but because 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.640 like science has failed, I just don't want to die 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:10.720 in a way that science can't figure it out. Like 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:12.679 that really creeps me out. I'm like, Okay, so all 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.200 of our best minds looked at this and they're like, 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.080 we don't know how he Did he fall from a roof? 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.080 Did he jump from a roof? Was he pushed from 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.240 a higher How would you have possibly gone? Like it's 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.359 just the number of the levels of that mystery. I 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.080 had to lay down afterwards. I was like, this is 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.280 very overwhelming. It fully gave us the creeps which other 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:30.960 people had said it would do, and I was like, 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:32.919 what do they mean? And then I watched it. I 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.639 was like, we got a very good night email about 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.800 it that I would like to briefly read UM from 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.359 night listener Claire, who said that episode flipped me out. 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.760 First of all, I vaguely remember this case. It was 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.120 on the news and the couple lived in Roland Park. 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:52.440 The investigative reporter Jane Miller, who's like the kind of 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.960 the protagonist of the episode, the one breaking the story, 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.560 seems awesome. UM is the Creme de the creme of 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:03.040 Baltimore celebrity culture. The Belvedere was a hotel, but it 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.119 had been made into condos. It had a restaurant in 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:09.399 the bottom with a huge ornate find cec bar and 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:13.160 enormous carved wooden owls. I didn't go there much because 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:15.560 it was expensive and fratty, but the rumor was always 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:18.520 that Zelda Fitzgerald had drunkenly danced on the bar there. 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.240 The real place was the Ridiculous nightclub on the top floor. 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:26.840 Called the Floor. You can see how the Ledge is 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.240 on the eleventh floor in the show, but the top 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.960 floor had this sort of dingy, fancy club, which when 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.320 I was in Baltimore and being an idiot, had fallen 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.040 on sort of hard times. I remembered. I ended up 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.320 djaying there with my friend on a Sunday night, and 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:43.679 the sheer misery of taking crates up in the tiny 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.240 elevator made it we never contemplated again. Also, the guy 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:49.800 who ran the night was sort of a Ledge. So 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:51.760 I looked up up photos of the club and it's 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:55.320 very creepy because it's kind of like Austin powers E. 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.560 It's not really expect The bottom floor one is the 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.280 like creepy turn of the Sound Tree one with the 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:06.080 carved owls and the Zelda Fitzgerald story. But the thirteenth 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:10.920 floor is like a weird, scary mod kind of themed thing, 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.520 which is creepy in a different way. But I just 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:18.119 thought that building because they kept showing the building the 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:24.960 belvedere which the victim was pushed off of probably and yeah, 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.439 it just was so creepy. It reminded me of just 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:30.720 those panting shots at the beginning of Rosemary's Baby of 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:34.880 the Dakota, you know, just the creepiness of a building 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:37.800 to where it has this long history and it was 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.040 once the fanciest place in town and now it's sort 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.400 of run down and then it gets turned into condos. Yah, 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:47.320 I mean it definitely. It looks a lot like some 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.919 of the downtown l a like fancy hotels that have 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.760 been they attempted to be rehabbed and kind of like 0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:57.280 turned into creepier versions of themselves. Yeah, and this story 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:00.480 had some similarities to the Cecil Hotel store, which is 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:08.239 another horrible story. Unsolved crime, unsolved mystery. Um yeah, this guy, uh, 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:14.120 it seems allegedly like his friend probably did it, who 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:17.280 wouldn't talk to him. And that's but just the whole 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.199 way they set it up of like you know, something 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:21.359 somebody called him and you didn't know who it was 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:24.600 and he ran out of the house. Um, and then 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:26.960 they find this weird note that has a bunch of 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:31.480 movies with twists listed on it, which feels kind of 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.320 like a weird clue. But then you're also like, he 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:35.440 was a screenwriter and it could just be a list 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.560 of like movies he wanted to write a movie that 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.280 was like it's a kind of weird list. If that's 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.560 what he was going for, I mean that it could 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:46.760 explain it. I really latched onto the code thing though, 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:48.560 because I was like, I'll get to this one night 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.920 when I'm like I just don't want to think about 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.159 the world, I'll just crack this code. Well, it's also like, 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:55.240 why was it taped to the back of the computer. 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:58.200 That's the part where you're like, huh, it's not where 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.680 I put my list, right, Like, that's is creepy. No 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:06.679 matter what. I love unsolved mysteries though, because while I 0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:11.600 feel kind of conflicted about watching true crime stories in general, 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:16.800 the idea that if you if you were an unsolved mystery, 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.280 that everybody would just forget about you, but that like 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:22.200 this could kind of shine a light on it makes 0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:24.600 me feel less bad watching these things because I'm like, 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.919 at least it's a public service. This iteration of unsolved mystery. 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.000 Like a lot of the recent true crime shows, it 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.080 is like not pro cop. It kind of shows you 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.720 the ways in which the cops just completely dismissed and 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:38.679 bungled the case, you know, and how often the cops 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:42.320 are just like it's a suicide, go away. Silly wife 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:45.480 of a guy who clearly was not committing suicide, and 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:48.360 that it was really the reporter and the wife who 0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:51.960 made this story continue. Yeah, I was gonna say it. Also, 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:54.399 it's nice when reporters who won't give up on those 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:57.879 kinds of stories get the credit that they deserve, because 0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:00.119 I think, like a lot a lot of reporters who 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:04.040 become obsessed with stories like that get kind of ostracized, um, 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:06.760 and because it's like it does kind of run counter 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:09.520 to like you have to keep up with the other work, 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.760 and so it becomes kind of like tiresome for your 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:15.680 colleagues maybe or something like that. And when you are 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:18.040 able to kind of give them the time to explain 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:21.880 why this case deserves more attention, it's nice because you're like, yeah, 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:24.960 that that's that's who you want, a reporter who doesn't 0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:27.280 give up on that. I thought his wife was just 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:31.040 a very interesting character too, because she was sort of like, 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:34.800 there wasn't you know, our marriage was great, like everything 0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:38.479 was great, something weird happened and nobody would give us 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:42.720 the straight answer, and yeah, she just started investigating it 0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:47.720 as well. Um, And yeah, if I were her, I 0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:51.040 would want to know, Yeah, did you guys check the 0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:55.000 Clemp story. Lennyam May Clemp. That was the daughter who 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:57.679 her like she had a son and her mom was like, 0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.679 this is my son now and like maybe he disappeared 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:04.800 her husband. Which episode was that, Oh my gosh, this 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:08.520 was okay? Hold on, I want to say episode like 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:12.040 five or six deeply disturbed me because basically this woman 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:16.960 was like jumping from guy to guy. She has six daughters, 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:19.800 like she was with this guy who was like all 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.320 of her daughters are like great guy, like awesome, dad 0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.200 loved him. She cheated with his brother, so they all 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:29.399 moved into the house with their former uncle now new stepdad, 0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:32.680 and when she got tired of him, like one night, 0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:37.480 he just disappeared. The daughter that was also wound up 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:43.400 disappearing had confessed to UM the first stepdad like, hey, 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:47.719 my mom made me burn your brother his body and 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.199 then we took chunks of what was left and just 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:52.120 threw it out the car window as we drove down 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:56.760 a highway. When and then like a couple like maybe 0:26:56.960 --> 0:27:00.200 six or eight months after that, she the daughter disappears. 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.360 Um the mom at one point forces her to recant 0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:08.360 her statement, and then when she disappeared, she like went 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.840 to court with her daughter's son and was like, yeah, 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.600 she abandoned her child, so I'm gonna take custy now. 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:16.640 And of course she was gone so she couldn't show 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.080 up to the trial. Then she told the whole family 0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:20.920 like she moved to Florida to be with boyfriend and 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:23.280 his sisters are like, we talked to her all the time. 0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.520 There's no guy in Florida, what are you talking about. 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:27.720 So now all of the sisters have banned together to 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.200 try to find their missing sister who they believe is dead, 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:33.760 and try to get their mother convicted, which is just 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:38.320 the craziest sisters. She's like on the reward path for 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:40.920 their mother. So you're saying she's like an epic girl 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:49.320 boss Colisi, I mean she's devian. The mom definitely gives 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:52.800 me that's so fucked up. But I feel like there's 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.360 that thing where people are like, oh, a female murderer, 0:27:55.400 --> 0:28:03.960 how progressive that look. Any One can be a sociopath, yes, um, 0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.760 that's scary. The one about the French family where the 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:10.840 dad is a sociopath also super freaked me out, all 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:14.720 me in two episodes. I'm I'm excited, I mean excited 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.639 it's I'm excited to be horrified by these things instead 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.680 of just life. That's why it's a good show for now. Right, 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:24.119 You're like, it happened in the past, and maybe I 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:28.560 can help now exactly, Um, as opposed to it's happening now, 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:31.000 and what what do I do? I think there's also 0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:36.439 something really comforting about UM looking like true evil in 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.000 the face and being like, no, I'm going to like 0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:41.320 collect all these facts and we're especially I mean, I 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:42.760 don't know if you I's been watching the I'll Be 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:49.480 Gone in the Dark series not yet girls, what you 0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:52.560 guys like? I so I've done all of all the 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:54.680 things involved with that story, Like I read the original 0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:58.720 article and then I followed all stuff on my favorite murder, 0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.000 and I read the now well, and like, this is 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:04.560 such an interesting experience because as much as Um the 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:08.800 writer like invests herself in her story, like this is 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.920 her family telling her story, and so now it's like 0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:14.120 she interviewed these families, and now her family sung the 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:16.280 story of her interviewing these families, And it's this very 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:19.640 circular chain of like if we take the time to 0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:24.240 listen and observe, there's a chance that the most evil 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.640 people out there can be caught and it's like never 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:30.080 too late. And I think there's something so comforting, especially 0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:34.040 in modern times of being quarantined and seeing a lot 0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.719 of malicious evil evil that is and dumb evil, like 0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:41.160 like circumventing the CDC in the middle of a pandemic, 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:46.320 which is just like dumbfounding lee stupid. It's comforting to 0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:48.760 be like, that's a bad guy. I recognize him, and 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:51.880 we are going to find that guy. And I've just 0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:55.680 been watching all of the darkest, creepiest stuff lately and 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.240 I find it weird the comforting at it. Yeah, I 0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:00.320 think you're not alone in that. I started watching a 0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.680 bunch of haunted House movies. I think it's like because 0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.800 it's the type of scared you can control exactly well. 0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.600 It also it's it can be you can feel kind 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.240 of like not not numb to what's going on, but 0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:17.040 it's like you want an emotional release that doesn't come 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:21.560 necessarily like as scheduled as you need it. Um and 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.200 and like the fear, that kind of existential dread and 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.840 fear you want to just be able to like pour 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:30.680 out some of the feelings um my goth daughter that 0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:33.400 I talked about on Twitter. Who is a Goth? Found 0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:35.960 my old copy of More Scary Stories to Tell in 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:39.440 the Dark. Yeah, she's so little for these stories. I 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:41.680 was terrified. I was like, I'll stop at any time. 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:45.479 And she loves How old is your daughter? Again? She's 0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:50.520 four four years old. My son is eight, and he's 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.880 like absolutely not, he's super not into it. But she's 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.360 she's baby goth. As Molly said, she's a pastel goth, 0:30:56.520 --> 0:31:01.960 but she has nonetheless brilliant Oh, all the girls were 0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:05.400 reading the like that. That was the same crowd. Like 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:08.040 I got very into like Instruments of Torture when I 0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.360 was like very young. My parents were like what are 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:11.920 you reading? And I was like you there's this thing 0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.560 called Iron Blue Way Cook People Alive. And they're like, 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:18.960 your seven and that's really dark, just like leaves us 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.320 with death. And there's just something like about a child 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.800 being able to be like no, I understand more like 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:27.120 mortality and I want to be terrified. I'm like that 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.840 kid is like kick ass. Well, this is why we 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:32.880 found each other, Joel. It's like with the night called 0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:37.200 Night called Girl Vibe, Yeah exactly. I feel like all 0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:40.440 kind of like, yeah, everybody does need that release because 0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:45.280 everybody has been adapting so quickly to so many different things. Uh. 0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:49.880 It's sort of amazing how resilient human beings are and adaptable, uh, 0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.480 to all kinds of things. But yeah, don't beat yourself 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.600 up if you feel like watching something really dark or 0:31:56.640 --> 0:32:01.120 a true crime show. Uh, whatever works. Yep, don't feat 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:04.880 yourself up for anything right now. Maybe is good advice. 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:09.200 Be gentle to yourself. We will be right back with 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:13.200 our special guest, Jay Kang, to talk about the NBA bubble. 0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:30.680 Welcome back Tonight Call. We are joined today by our 0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:34.360 friend Jay Kang, writer at large New York Times magazine 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:36.600 and one of the hosts of the time to say 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:42.280 goodbye podcast. Welcome Jay. Okay, how's it going good. I'm 0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:45.720 so glad we're finally having you on Nightcall. I know, 0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.600 I feel like I've wanted to be on for a 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:50.880 long time, and we've discussed it for a long time, 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.240 and then the fact that it didn't happen made me 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.360 feel like I was part of some sort of B list. 0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.400 But it's okay now that it's remote. You didn't have 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:02.200 any excuse to avoid us world. If you're on the 0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:07.800 basketball the b list stands for basketball, because today we're 0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:12.920 going to talk with you about the NBA bubble in 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.160 a segment we like to call as of now. Uh, 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:20.960 night Ball, Jay, Welcome to night Ball. I'm happy to 0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:26.000 be in nightfall. Um. You have long been tweeting about 0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:29.360 something called the NBA Dark Web. Oh yeah, you're in it. 0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:34.040 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we're part of it. There are 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:36.640 many people who it's like the it's like the Mormon 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:39.160 Church when people die. If you if you don't declare 0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:43.880 that you're not in it, well, it was it was 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:47.680 mostly a joke because there's a thing called NBA Twitter, 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.320 which maybe some of your listeners know about, and it's 0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:53.360 it's a really dumb term because it's just generally it's 0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.240 just people talking about the NBA on Twitter. That's NBA Twitter, 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.160 which I don't think is a particularly helpful term, but 0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:03.000 NBA t there tends to be very analytic and uh, 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:06.360 it's just kind of a lot of nerds, and I 0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:09.200 will say a very multicultural group of nerds, so that's good, 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:11.919 you know, but it is a lot of nerds trying 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:15.799 to be the smartest about basketball. And my thing was 0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:19.440 always that sports enjoyment should be as dumb as possible. 0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:23.040 So I tried to start a counterculture of really dumb 0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:29.480 NBA takes um and nothing analytic and nothing where you 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.560 try a lot of it's aspirational too, and so I 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:34.719 didn't want it to be like people pretending to be 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:38.680 billionaires having control over teams. I just wanted to be like, Oh, 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:43.160 that guy is good, but that guy sucks. I'm gonna 0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:47.440 say that's my whole approach to watching basketball. Yeah, yeah, 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:50.680 that's my approach of watching TV. I have no analytic 0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:53.960 analysis or like appreciation of it at all. I just 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.759 think that show sucked or I hate that guy or 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.480 that guy is great. Um, but I guess that's just 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.640 my fresh everything. Well, I do feel like it's like 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.520 when you bring stats into something like that. Like that's 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:09.840 also why like something like lost Fandom became so annoying, 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.160 because it's like, if you can't enjoy the thing without 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.640 all the additional information that only like super fans and 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.479 super nerds are seeking out, it's probably not that good. 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:25.120 What are other shows like that? Um, Easter Eggs? Yeah, 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.239 and that like the show is like a meta show 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:29.960 True Detective. I was going to say True Detective season 0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:33.600 one and that was that was an enjoyable Easter eggs 0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:37.280 slash Reddit hunt kind of thing. I love True Detective 0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:42.879 season two personally because it's all about the corruption in Vernon, California, 0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:45.440 which is like a city that has no residents. It's 0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:50.319 all just companies. Oh, I never I didn't watch too. 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:54.759 It's a it was much maligned, but I had a 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:58.799 very NBA the Dark Web NBA take that it was 0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.000 in fact the best season. Is there like a True 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:05.319 Detective thing that's like The Wire where people say that 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:08.040 season two is the best season. It's just like, it's 0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:11.719 just like The Wire. Season two it's like totally has 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:15.160 nothing to do with the first except it's about, you know, 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:18.480 some weird stuff and some true detective. I think Molly 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:21.600 may have been part of a very small cohort that 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.480 held the belief that season two was better than season one, 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:26.920 but you did make some good arguments for it. I 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.120 also think if you watch it now, it's like the 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:33.359 acting is silly, but some of the stuff about rich 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:37.320 people having secret orgies turned out to be true. So 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:42.480 Detective season two, I watched the first season, I didn't watch. 0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.759 The true touch of season two is very confusing, but 0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:49.840 also uh, kind of makes sense if you're really into 0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:58.280 l a real estate and associated topic. Any feels further 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.160 Afield and the y our season two, which I think 0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:04.880 like people think that the second season the Wire is 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.799 the best season. But all those are being totally contrarian, 0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.399 and maybe some of them might also be like white supremacists, 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.520 where they you know, because the season and the seasons 0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:19.760 the Russians or whatever. Yeah, I'm also a fan of Trema, 0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:25.480 so yeah, I like that show. Yeah, it's great. Um, 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.560 it was about a city coming back after a disaster, 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:33.520 people taking advantage of it. So speaking of disasters and 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.560 disaster capitalism, can you explain the NBA bubble to our 0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:41.600 sports call? It's also nightball? It's night ball, and it's 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.839 sports call, it's it's the Night Ball Association. So the 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.560 NBA needed to finish its season, and the reason why 0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:51.000 it needed to do that is because a lot of 0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:53.640 their economy is based off revenue, which I guess every 0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:58.000 sort of businesses, but um, it's more crucial to the 0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:01.400 NBA because the players get paid as part of the revenue, 0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.839 so they get part of the revenue split, and so 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:06.520 if the NBA stops, then they can't cash in the 0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.680 rest of their TV deals, which means that there's a 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:11.279 very low amount of revenue, which means the players get 0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:15.319 less money, right, And so that means that management and 0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:19.040 the players both have incentive to finish out the season. 0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:22.239 And so that's basically what happened, is that there was 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:26.439 this huge financial incentive to do it UM and the 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.880 future of the league. The ownership says it would be 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:32.040 on the line if they didn't do it, and that 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:33.839 they would have to go back and start a new 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:38.480 collective bargaining agreement that UM wouldn't make the players get 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:40.400 all big pay cuts. I think a lot of that 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:42.840 is specious, but um, you know, that's sort of the 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:45.680 narrative that is out there. And so to solve that, 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:49.040 they said, well, how do we make the safest environment possible? 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:53.239 And so they created a bubble or a so called 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.920 bubble quote unquote bubble. They're all in Disney World right 0:38:56.920 --> 0:38:59.680 now in Florida and Orlando, and they have all these 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.080 They have a hundred and twenty six pages of rules 0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:05.120 about like what you can do. They have a snitch 0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:09.040 line where players can snitch on other players are breaking 0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:11.600 the rules, which apparently is totally full at this point, 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:13.839 like you know, like they don't have any messages left 0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:17.919 in their space, which I think is hilarious. But uh yeah, 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:20.719 and you know, it's it's been a drama to just 0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:24.279 watch all the players get there. Some of them are 0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:28.799 testing positive even within the bubble, and uh, you know, 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:32.239 they're basically playing basketball and banquet rooms. Like you know, 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.680 there's banquet halls and hotels where you open the wrong door, 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:36.479 you thinks the bathroom and then you look and there's 0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:39.399 like this gigantic hall. They converted some of those into 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.640 basketball courts and that's where they're practicing. It's it's very weird. 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:46.480 This is like the world's worst reality show or maybe 0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:52.040 best reality show. If you are awful, Um that's are 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:54.400 are you able? I know nothing? Are you able to 0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:59.640 watch this? Like is it just unfolding via media reports 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:03.399 or well there are reporters in the bubble. But it's 0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:06.120 weird because the reporters in the bubble are almost they're 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.839 just to like say that they're in the bubble because 0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:11.040 they're not allowed to interact with any of the players 0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.480 or coaches, and so they kind of like sit in 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.200 their hotel room as far as I can tell, and 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:17.640 they have this little like, but they can't actually go 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:20.480 into the locker rooms or watch the practices or anything 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.359 like that. Um, so the way that people have been 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:27.960 watching it is through Instagram stories basically. And so on 0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:30.600 the first night the players got there, one of them 0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:33.680 took a photo of his food, you know, which looked 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:36.520 it really did look like an airplane meal, you know, 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:37.880 and he was like, this is not gonna work. And 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:40.440 then some of the players are very mad that the 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.600 rooms aren't nice enough, and so like Region Rondo and 0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.720 the Lakers is like, oh, this is like a motel six, 0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.239 you know. So there's a lot of that where it's 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:52.680 like players acting, you know, like the millionaires that they are. 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:57.800 And then uh, and then there's a lot of uncertainty, 0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:01.279 I think, because nobody really knows if this is going 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:03.799 to happen, and it just seems like they're kind of 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:08.080 all adrift sitting there like I don't know when is 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.759 the re launched, Like when are they supposed to start 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:15.239 actually playing at the end of this month? What do 0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:21.399 you think it will happen? Well, I don't I don't 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:23.440 think it should happen, but I think it will happen, 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:26.360 just because I don't know someone used like the analogy 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.439 that I think is probably right, although you know, it's 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:30.640 not a particularly funny one, but it's like it's like 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.200 a barge moving forward, you know, and there's so much 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.680 momentum and there's so much money at stake for these people, 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:40.120 and they basically converted to Disney World into like a 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:44.160 basketball bubble, and like, how do you not just go forward, 0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:46.919 you know, and just try and finish it if you can. 0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:49.719 But it just seemed like there were so many red 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:53.640 flags all along the way, you know, as with anything 0:41:53.680 --> 0:42:01.040 that tried to reopen or restart in the past month. Uhlis, Yeah, 0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:04.960 l al Fresco are idiot. Mayor reopened l A briefly 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:07.200 and then cases like went through the roof, and then 0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:09.719 he was like, why didn't people stay home? And it's like, 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.560 because you reopened everything that was that was a deal 0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:16.799 with him, because like he's so weird, because like at 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:18.839 the beginning of it, I was getting mad at I 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.239 am in Northern California, and I was getting mad at 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.680 him because like he was talking like a dictator, you know, 0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:27.759 and I was just like, you're not the dictius, Like, well, 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:29.759 we're all gonna have to stay home and it's just 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.879 like you you can't talk like that, you're the fucking mayor. 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.000 You're not like, you know, like you're not like the 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:38.759 sovereign of California. And then suddenly you just switched and 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:40.440 he's like, no, everyone can go back. And then I 0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:43.000 just remember this day, my cousin who lives in Koreatown 0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:44.840 and grew up there, called me and she's like, we 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.360 can go into restaurants now and eat inside. And I 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:51.879 was like what, and she was like, yeah, I think 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.480 he just woke up and decided that it was okay now. 0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:57.320 And she's like, I'm definitely not going back in a restaurant, 0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:01.120 but now everyone can. His big money donors who owned 0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:04.400 the restaurants and stuff, we're pressuring him really hard to 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:08.040 reopen and being like you have you know, all his 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:11.960 Beverly Hills donors were like, you have to let us reopen, 0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:14.960 like plastic surgery clinics was one of the big ones 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:21.080 and restaurants and businesses, um, and he totally just did 0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:25.960 it and everyone got super mad. But also, yeah, just 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:29.920 like the rates went through the roof again. It was insane, 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:34.319 and you know, we don't have to go play in 0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:39.680 the NBA. Also, yeah, but it seems like anyone who 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:42.880 is trying to control it, it just doesn't seem like 0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:46.200 it's worked at all anywhere. Well, the biggest problem to 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:49.600 and l al Fresco is after he closed indoor dining, 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:53.400 he's now encouraged. They tried to make a marketing campaign 0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:56.160 to encourage people to keep going to restaurants and eat 0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.799 outside where of course they can't wear masks and they 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.839 are all of these sea glass things, and it's but 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.880 people are just sitting there. Sucks because they allowed restaurants 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:09.120 to suddenly expand to have outdoor dining, but they were 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:12.240 like punishing street vendors and talking trucks the whole time. 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:16.480 So it's just like super classist bullshit. And it's also 0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:21.200 it damages small businesses because places like you know, childcare 0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:25.160 centers and like independently owned businesses. I think that the 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.360 term was like toggling on and off, Like he toggled 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:30.520 them on, then he toggled them off. So they have 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:33.640 no idea now when they'll be able to reopen. It 0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:36.120 just seems like they could have canceled everything for a 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:38.840 super long time at the beginning, and nobody's willing to 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:41.080 do that. And we're seeing that, especially with sports. There's 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:44.160 this big push for sports to come back. But it's 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:47.640 like clearly as a society, like we have not had 0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:50.759 our vegetables and we do not get to have dessert yet, 0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:54.880 you know, but people are like talking about sports like 0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:59.239 it's an essential industry, which is obviously not. Uh and 0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:01.920 if you're and if you're and it's just like it 0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:05.280 seems like they're putting the players lives at such risk, 0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:09.160 Like isn't anyone concerned about what a pr disaster it 0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:12.799 could be if like an NBA player dies from COVID. Well, yeah, 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:14.960 that's one of the unseid things about all of this, 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:18.759 which is that, uh, yes, I agree that generally young 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:22.000 people it's very hard for them to die from coronavirus, 0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:25.120 but it also seems to be leading to some permanent 0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:28.000 effects for them, which as athletes who need to use 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:32.319 their lungs and hearts, you know, could be bad down 0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:36.120 the line. But it's also like, you know, NBA players 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:40.400 are gigantic human beings that are very different, you know, 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:43.560 I think in terms than than you know, like h 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:45.920 five ft ten person or something like that. If you're 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.400 like seven ft two, you know, like you have like 0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:51.240 that's why a lot of them die of heart failure. 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:53.400 That's why a lot of them have health problems. It 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:57.920 is very abnormal to be seven ft two. And I 0:45:57.920 --> 0:45:59.920 actually do think that they're probably at a higher rate 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.640 because you know, like they are healthy in the sense 0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:06.000 that they are amazing athletes, but they also are you know, 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:09.080 like have very strange bodies, very strange health systems, and 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:11.200 a lot of them do die at an earlier age. 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:14.160 And so I don't know, like I find that the 0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:17.319 whole thing to be so like I just find it 0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:20.640 to be so weird. It's like why they say, oh, 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:22.839 well we can't stop this, and you're like, well, why 0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:26.359 can't you stop it? You know, like, uh, I don't 0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:28.800 know how enjoyable it's gonna be. Like I mean that 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:32.359 what we were talking about, like eating outside. I they 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:35.240 up here in Berkeley, they have this thing called four Street, 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:37.440 which is just like a bunch of chain places like 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:41.040 where designed within reaches for example, you know, or like Sephora, 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.239 And they have an outdoor dining place there and I 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:46.600 walked by it with my wife and kid, and it's 0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:49.560 just like it was so unpleasant because it felt so anxious, 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:52.239 because you feel the anxiety of it, and we didn't. 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:55.319 We ended up not eating outside because of that. And 0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:57.239 I feel like all these sports are going to be 0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.000 like that. You know, that there's gonna be this layer 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:01.479 of anxiety and how of it, and that for many 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.080 people they won't feel it, but I think a lot 0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:07.400 of people will feel it, especially if thousands of people 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:10.920 in Florida are dying a week, you know, like uh, 0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:13.920 which I think will start happening by the time that 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:15.520 they launched, you know, so in some ways they have 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:17.960 this horrible timing because when they made this idea of 0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:21.480 Florida wasn't it was okay, you know, and now Florida 0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:24.920 is definitely not okay. And I think that's going to 0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:28.080 lead to like this huge It's gonna be like these 0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:31.000 guys are playing basketball and all around them people are dying. 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:34.760 It's just gonna be weird. Yeah, just the image seems 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:38.200 so fucked up again. It seems like why, I mean, 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.360 I know why they're held bent on doing it is money. 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:43.680 But like even the Olympics, which you know, we're hell 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:47.239 bent on the Tokyo Olympics happening and said they were 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:50.000 happening up until the very last moment when it became 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:55.000 clear that like it could not happen, teams started dropping out. Uh. 0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:57.279 It just kind of goes to show the extent to 0:47:57.320 --> 0:48:03.440 which like the players are not really in charge. Uh, 0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:07.520 Because did you feel like like more players might decide 0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:09.880 not to go, Like, is anyone like a couple of 0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:11.879 people up that they weren't going to go? Right? Yeah? Yeah, 0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:14.239 I would say about like eight or so players I 0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:16.640 think have said they're not going to play, and some 0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:19.480 of them are not playing because they are they have 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.919 decided to opt out for political reasons more or less, 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:25.839 you know, which is an interesting conversation, but a lot 0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:28.080 of them have kids that are sick, or have our 0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:30.839 immunocompromise and things like that, and they just don't want 0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.400 to deal with it. And you know, I have a 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.600 lot of respect for the players who have opted out 0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:38.359 because I think it's difficult because what happens is that 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.040 you know, this happens all industries, but I think particularly 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:43.799 in sports where it's so competitive, if you're not like 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:46.800 a superstar player, or even if you are a star player, 0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:48.719 you know, the top guys like Lebron or something, that 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:53.160 they'll be fine, but they're all playing too um, you know, 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.359 like you get black ball because of stuff like this. 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:58.040 You know, they say, oh, his heart's like he's he 0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:02.080 doesn't care anymore, he's his heart's not in it. Um, 0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:06.400 you know, like he has he abandoned his teammates, and 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:08.640 then the teammates get mad about it too, because they're 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:10.040 just like, oh, well, we had a chance to win 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:12.200 the championship that you set out because of your kid. 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:15.800 And that type of social pressure in sports is so prevalent, 0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:19.640 and you know, these these people have set out. There's 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:23.640 something really militaristic about it, just in terms of the 0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:28.120 way that it's like you're the most veilorized person in society, 0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:30.959 but also like they don't really care if you die 0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:34.239 doing the thing that they're paying you to do. You know, 0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:38.600 like yeah, yeah, it's even worse for like college sports, 0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.760 you know, where they don't even totally for sure. The Olympics. 0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:43.880 That's like the whole grift of the Olympics is nobody 0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:47.840 gets paid to do to participate and people are just 0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:50.560 banking on getting like sponsorships if they win a gold medal. 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:54.560 But most people go broke trying to get into the Olympics, 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:58.719 and then Henry Kissinger gets paid like more than any 0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:00.840 of us will ever see it fall asleep in the 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:07.680 stands every Olympics. Yeah, I mean the fact that it's 0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:11.480 in Disney World also adds a layer of dystopia that 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:17.320 you wouldn't expect. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, it's a little weird. 0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:21.120 They have done a good job in covering up almost 0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:25.480 all the branding, like they switch it out with NBA stuff, 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.919 you know. Yeah, so I haven't really seen players like 0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:32.360 getting tested in front of the castle or something, or like, 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:36.000 you know, those would be good images if they allowed, 0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:39.640 you know, journalists to interact with people. But everything you've got, 0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:42.880 we got one call or actually an email. We got 0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:48.680 a night email on this subject. Ah, it says, hey, y'all. 0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:51.279 I read recently that one of the perks allowed to 0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:54.720 the NBA players is after hours access to Disney World rides. 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:56.920 One of the rides they are allowed on is the 0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:01.040 Rock and Roller Coaster starring Aerosmith. Given that the ride 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.920 opened over twenty years ago and in that time, Aerosmith 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:07.560 has mostly disappeared from the culturals like geist, which band 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:10.000 or artist would you like to see take over for 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:19.120 the Rock and Roller Coaster? Thank you, Joshua, I, I 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:27.600 don't know. I think that Aerosmith is fine. Mean, I 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:31.440 want to hear like cry In and you know whatever 0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:35.440 that song is the the sing women sing for the years. 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:38.680 What do you do? Like? Do Drake on a roller coaster? 0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:41.920 That sounds terrible. They also have Love in an Elevator, 0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:48.239 which is now a horrifying song Elevators? No, Yeah, and 0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:51.319 it seems it's I'm like, why kick Aerosmith? Now? You know? 0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:56.279 What about a what about a Jim Crowchy coaster? I 0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:59.319 don't think that works. Jim Crowchy would be like a 0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:04.439 floating ride logs type of thing, I think. But yeah, 0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:08.279 I'm fine with Aarrowsmith. I didn't realize that that. I 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:10.759 didn't realize that that ride existed. I guess I haven't 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:12.799 been in Disney World in twenty years. But do they 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:17.799 have that one in l A Okay, I've never been 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:22.200 to Disney World. Yeah, I feel like okay one Aerospace. 0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:25.640 Time is past and as great as their albums have been, 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:28.600 as much as I love the songs, as much as 0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:32.480 it made Armaged in a movie worth remembering, I really 0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:33.840 feel like we we could have updated. This is a 0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:35.960 good chance to like update it and I think about it, 0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:39.480 there's two bands that like Leap Forward. I'm not an 0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:42.920 MCR fan, but their fan base is rampant and they 0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:45.279 have like these really cool visuals. So I feel like 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:49.719 that could be, just from a marketing perspective, a good fit. Um. 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:52.840 Other than that, I would say Daft Punk has enough songs. 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:58.080 Different types of artists already were with Tron, and so 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:01.000 if you wanted to, there's a Tron roller coaster at 0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:06.320 Disney Hong Kong. I think, um, which is pretty sick 0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:10.799 Ye Daft PUNKI ish and it would be awesome. That's 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:14.000 a good idea, But I would throw up more if 0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:17.080 Daft Punk were on my rock and roller coaster, for sure, 0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:21.680 there'd be no question. I always yeah my Chemical Romance 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:27.359 I'm not Okay from the kids, Tess and I loved 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:29.759 that song. I still love that song not Okay. We 0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.360 talked about that. We we love that song. Actually perfect 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:35.200 Karioke song, a good roller coaster length song. There was 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:39.000 in my top played. There was a there was no 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:42.239 longer existent theme park that I think was the hard 0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:46.759 Rock Theme Park in Myrtle Beach, and it had a 0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:49.640 ride that was the Knights in White Satin dark Ride 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:52.680 that I have just watched the ride through video of 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:55.719 like a million times because it's just like an abstract, 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:59.160 psychedelic dark ride, and it always makes me think there 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:03.239 should just be more rides that are just based around songs. Yeah, 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:07.120 I I can't. I I don't know. I don't. I 0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:09.680 don't know any new bands I've like, I've I've just 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:12.280 realized the last ten years has been total media shut 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.680 down for me. I haven't watched a single TV show. 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:17.960 I think I watched one season Killing Eve, and then 0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:19.879 I watched the first See That True Detective. As he said, 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.920 but that's about it. Well, you're dropping out of society, 0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:25.320 I know, I know. I just listened to I listened 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:28.600 to like a Country Joe McDonald and walk around Berkeley 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:32.040 talked to talk to old hippies and get in traffic 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:36.439 altercations with them. That's what happens when you moved to Berkeley. Yeah. Yeah, 0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:38.719 it's been six months and I can already kind of 0:54:38.719 --> 0:54:43.400 feel it. Um. I got enough fight with a traffic 0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:46.239 circle here with an old hippie guy, and he got 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:48.440 out of his car and it was like I was like, Oh, 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:50.279 this is gonna be the rest of my life. You know, 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:52.320 and then one day I'm going to be him and 0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:54.440 there's gonna be like a fourty year old dad and 0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:56.200 I'm gonna yell at him and be like, you don't 0:54:56.200 --> 0:55:02.319 know how to drive around this circle? Go back to 0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:08.759 Walnut Creek whatever. They We have another question, although Molly, 0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:10.640 I don't know where this came from. What's the problem 0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:15.560 from Miles Brown, another member of the Dark Night. All right, 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:18.680 so this Twitter this question is if Maria Janet and 0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:24.360 Beyonce had to perform under bubble circumstances, who would win Beyonce. 0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:28.960 I feel like it's not even a question. Listen, Maria 0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:32.040 can no longer give vocals. We love her down, Okay, 0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:35.520 we'll not shame the queen, but she's older, and she's 0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:38.200 what was her brand was hitting those high whistle notes. 0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:40.920 Don't have the range for that anymore, and her dancing 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:43.439 is limited. So while the fandom would be like, really 0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:47.320 hype it, it's just not gonna be like Beyonce literally 0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:52.040 crushed uh Coachella, which I feel like every artist has 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:54.440 had a stab at has done, and nobody have the 0:55:54.560 --> 0:55:57.719 set performance or the ability to make an entire docuseries 0:55:57.760 --> 0:56:01.200 movie out of their performance in there, who was the 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:04.439 artist they wanted us to check? Janet Janet, Oh God 0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:07.319 love Janet Janet still got moves though, if we were 0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:11.720 feeling at a nostalgia period just doing the Comdition album, 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:13.840 I have questions, don't we have to don't we have 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.200 to assume that this is them at their peak? Though? 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:21.280 Here's what I'm gonna say about all of that, though, 0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:24.960 is that I feel like we're all making the false 0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:28.080 assumption that just because somebody is like super the healthiest, 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:31.359 strongest person, doesn't mean, you know. I think, like Jay said, 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:36.279 sometimes like people that seem superhuman have like specific health challenges, 0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:39.200 bleased on the fact that they're like performing so much, 0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:43.200 you know, Like Beyonce is like our age, And when 0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:45.880 I saw her perform live for a very long time, 0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:48.839 I was super impressed. But I was also like, that 0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:52.200 is like an incredibly difficult type of stamina to maintain 0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:55.879 all the time. Uh. And I think even someone who 0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:59.680 seems as superhuman as Beyonce could still be struck down 0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:04.160 by its weird factoring. Who would do the best show 0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:08.239 with coronavirus? I know, are we assuming they're infected with coronavirus? 0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:14.800 And the bubble it's like, is it the best performance 0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:16.840 in the bubble or is it the best performance with 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:19.960 COVID your best performance in the bub I'm gonna go 0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:22.920 with Mariah at her peak because first of all, I 0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:26.200 hate to say but you know, because I didn't want 0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:27.920 to bring this back up, but I am. I'm a 0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:31.600 long time Beyonce hater. And really I think that's why 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:35.800 Myles asked the question. But I because t Ago I was. 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:39.080 I was like, that's one day's most dark web takes 0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:44.919 his most It's based on it. I started ten years 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:47.800 ago and since then, I've actually grown to appreciate much. 0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:52.120 You wrote a contrarian think piece about this before the 0:57:52.280 --> 0:57:55.120 rise and fall of contrarian think pieces, and yeah, at 0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:58.160 the beginning of it was like two thousand nine or something, 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:01.560 He's apologize to Beyonce. I'm not gonna apologize if he 0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:04.160 had to. But the reason why it's just because Beyonce 0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:07.760 shows requires so many other people. You know, there's so 0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:11.480 much that goes into them, and if she was just 0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:14.600 sort of sitting around with three dancers, yeah, it would 0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:16.160 be a really good show because you know, like she 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:19.320 did that with the single Ladies video that's two dancers right, 0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:22.680 two backup dancers, and she clearly can make that work. 0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:25.680 But I think that Mariah just singing by herself is 0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:28.439 better than Beyonce just singing by herself, right, and if 0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:33.240 that's the true bubble atmosphere. I also think Mariah's songs 0:58:33.240 --> 0:58:36.560 are better, like just as songs without the without the 0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:41.240 without all the performance laid on top of them. I'd 0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:45.560 rather hear um, you know, I don't know. I just 0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:48.439 think the songs are better. I'm gonna go with Mariah. 0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:51.280 I think Janet is not in the same category. I'm sorry. 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:54.480 I guess I was thinking they'd also have to like 0:58:55.400 --> 0:59:01.080 compete against each other. So Molly ideas that this is 0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:05.440 like the masked singer, but under bubble circumstances like that, 0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:07.480 it's like like and then they have to play a 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:11.600 game of horse because it's still the NBA bubble. Like 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.680 I know, Beyonce, I don't think. I don't think I 0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:17.480 can plays. She can roll or blade. We know that 0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:22.720 from the videos. But even though it's very limited videos, 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:26.760 I wouldn't count out Janet in terms of basketball and terms, 0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:30.880 but that Jane, because Janet can also give a like 0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:35.440 quiet kind of like a like an emotional quality that 0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:38.480 comes with age. Also, I mean not like Mariah doesn't 0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:40.400 have that, but I feel like Janet. I think Janet 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:42.120 could hold her own. I don't know she's in the 0:59:42.200 --> 0:59:46.520 same category. She don't have vocals and dance moves and 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:50.360 launched an entire movement in the eighties like we we 0:59:50.440 --> 0:59:54.720 stand a gay icon Listen. Yeah, she paid the way 0:59:54.760 --> 1:00:00.960 for many young black to feel confident in the if 1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:05.760 it okay, if it's a cafe setting vocal down, Mariah 1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:08.200 and her prime is probably who you want to see, 1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:10.760 just because she gives diva flair and you don't get 1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:14.880 to see a diva in that atmosphere. We saw Beyonce. 1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:20.640 Someone finally linked the non primal wedding that Beyonce performed 1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:23.360 at She did the pre wedding, uh, and it was 1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:26.640 gorgeous and amazing and stripped down for Beyonce. I think 1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:30.520 there were only four dancers and like half a band. Um, 1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:32.360 if we can get this many people, half the bubble 1:00:32.400 --> 1:00:35.720 can be Beyonce's people. I think Beyonce's got it. Uh. 1:00:35.720 --> 1:00:38.280 And if we just want the nostalgia and like everyone 1:00:38.320 --> 1:00:41.040 have like a dance party, it's gotta be Janet. Different 1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:43.960 shows for different folks. You know. I think what we've 1:00:44.000 --> 1:00:47.200 shown is that we want to see them all performed together, 1:00:48.400 --> 1:00:50.600 but they can't. Molly, that's the point. But I guess 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:57.000 they could. But which one would have the best tiny desk? Right? Um? 1:00:57.040 --> 1:01:00.080 And I do agree that Maria's live vocal perform this 1:01:00.240 --> 1:01:03.120 is over the last three years have been concerning. But 1:01:03.320 --> 1:01:08.360 if you adjusted back to let's say, like Mariah would 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:10.640 be the tiny desk that you would watch out of 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:13.000 those three, right, this is such a we have to 1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:15.880 keep coming back to this conversation and again that's how 1:01:15.880 --> 1:01:21.360 we have to update your deeper rankings from continuously. Yeah, 1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:24.080 I don't know if anything has shifted. I still think 1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:26.840 Whitney is the best one of all time, like the 1:01:26.880 --> 1:01:30.440 best singer of all time, and then Aretha and then 1:01:30.480 --> 1:01:34.040 everybody else is like several tiers below them. I guess all. 1:01:34.440 --> 1:01:37.400 I guess Adele now is would be much higher. Can't 1:01:37.440 --> 1:01:40.880 really sing. And Adela is pro Beyonce. She was like, 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:45.360 who gave me this Grammy? That should be Beyonce. Her 1:01:45.440 --> 1:01:48.280 last album was very bad. I thought it was so boring, 1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:50.760 like it felt like it was for like six it 1:01:50.800 --> 1:01:52.560 was she felt like she was fifty five years old 1:01:52.640 --> 1:01:54.520 or something. I feel like Adell's vocals are a little 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:57.680 bit overhyped, and when I come to her, four doesn't 1:01:57.680 --> 1:01:59.920 have to be vocals as much as just like a motion. 1:02:00.400 --> 1:02:03.840 So I was excited when for one second it seemed 1:02:03.840 --> 1:02:06.360 like she might make a grime album. Next I was like, 1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:15.760 do that? Do that bring back nineties? Uh? Vocal electronica? Adele? Okay, guys, 1:02:15.800 --> 1:02:17.840 we have another Before we let J go, we have 1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:20.200 to ask another question from a listener. So this comes 1:02:20.200 --> 1:02:23.560 from Ethan. This question is for the King segment. Kang 1:02:23.600 --> 1:02:26.600 is forced to move into a bubble slash biodome situation 1:02:26.720 --> 1:02:29.480 and has to bring four analytics journals to live with him. 1:02:29.560 --> 1:02:33.400 Who does he choose and why this is so? This 1:02:33.480 --> 1:02:36.280 is so specific. I don't know if people will know 1:02:36.440 --> 1:02:43.880 these any of these people. Yeah, uh, one of them 1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:46.320 my friends with his name is Constant Team. But I 1:02:46.360 --> 1:02:48.280 don't think he's a lawyer. He's not really a journalist. 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:51.520 I think I would bring him um, but I don't 1:02:51.520 --> 1:02:53.720 think that's a question. I don't know I would. I 1:02:53.760 --> 1:02:59.360 would probably bring uh by friend Pablo Tori. I think 1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:04.160 he qualifies, right, Oh, yeah, he qualifies. He's he's a 1:03:04.240 --> 1:03:07.400 very nice guy. He's a new dad as well, so 1:03:08.400 --> 1:03:11.480 shout out new dads. He's part of the dad Instagram 1:03:11.520 --> 1:03:15.760 culture of uh, you know, looking at people's stories and 1:03:16.440 --> 1:03:20.200 asking where you got like a bottle or something like that, 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:23.400 or where'd you get that? Where'd you get that chair? 1:03:23.560 --> 1:03:26.880 Type of things is also part of the dad Instagram culture. 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:29.680 I am I'm number one dad of Instagram. We mostly 1:03:29.680 --> 1:03:33.439 talk about plants. Yeah, oh yeah, I've gotten someone into 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:35.960 that too, the plant thing, like what did you how 1:03:36.040 --> 1:03:38.840 do you fertilize that thing? I find that Instagram is 1:03:38.920 --> 1:03:41.000 much better when it's just functional, right, when it's just 1:03:41.080 --> 1:03:43.600 advice on the things that people are doing, and then 1:03:43.640 --> 1:03:46.000 you don't feel you don't feel that jealousy thing that 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:49.040 I guess people feel when they're on instagrams. The idea 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:51.480 from my new and also everyone's at home now except 1:03:51.480 --> 1:03:53.640 for celebrities on vacation. This is my idea from my 1:03:53.680 --> 1:03:59.200 new social platform. Only plants it, But Molly, I think 1:03:59.400 --> 1:04:02.840 over water, actually are your plants going to be able 1:04:02.880 --> 1:04:06.760 to sustain? For only plants? My basil is still alive. 1:04:07.120 --> 1:04:10.320 My mint. Let's let's all just pray for my mint. 1:04:10.440 --> 1:04:12.040 I would say, we'll pour one out for your mint, 1:04:12.120 --> 1:04:17.120 but has been over port. I overweted it. Um jay 1:04:17.160 --> 1:04:22.479 are we freeing watch? Um No, I don't. I mean 1:04:23.480 --> 1:04:27.480 his So that's I felt like his story, like his 1:04:27.680 --> 1:04:30.240 email to Josh Holly was kind of like in defense 1:04:30.280 --> 1:04:33.680 of the league. You know, it wasn't it wasn't really 1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:37.000 indefensive anything except him saying like, hey, you can't criticize 1:04:37.000 --> 1:04:40.560 these people for being big hypocrites about Hong Kong, you know. 1:04:40.720 --> 1:04:43.120 And that's where I was like, well, yeah, Josh Holly 1:04:43.240 --> 1:04:46.320 is not the person that you want to be defending ever. 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:50.400 But you know, the NBA is kind of bullshit on this, 1:04:50.480 --> 1:04:53.120 and it's very easy for somebody like Josh Holly to 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:57.440 say like, hey, well what about this? You know, you 1:04:57.440 --> 1:05:01.120 can't to do it. And it does feel like the 1:05:01.240 --> 1:05:04.480 NBA's politics. Like the NBA obviously people have said it, 1:05:04.840 --> 1:05:07.800 people think it has better politics than other sports leagues, 1:05:08.600 --> 1:05:11.320 but some of that seems like it's just optics and 1:05:11.360 --> 1:05:15.439 really they don't actually care that much about the people 1:05:15.440 --> 1:05:18.840 who work for them. Yeah, they they It's it's weird 1:05:18.880 --> 1:05:21.360 because it's like they get such a pass from the league, 1:05:21.800 --> 1:05:24.560 from the press, right and that's because of Greg Popovich 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:28.680 Steve Kerr giving these long press conferences where they talk 1:05:28.760 --> 1:05:31.800 about black lives matter and police retality. I think all 1:05:31.840 --> 1:05:34.040 that is important, but I also think that it gives 1:05:34.040 --> 1:05:36.720 so much cover to the league and that the league 1:05:36.800 --> 1:05:39.800 basically does what is good for the league, and the 1:05:39.880 --> 1:05:41.800 League does what's good for China, and the League does 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:44.160 what it's good for Nike, you know. And if you 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:47.680 feel like those other two entities are always going to 1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:51.400 act in a progressive way, then I think you're like, 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:55.120 I think you're crazy, you know, and and um, and 1:05:55.200 --> 1:05:57.880 it does allow people to wallpaper over a lot of stuff. 1:05:57.960 --> 1:06:00.400 I don't know, I like the stuff so like, remember, 1:06:00.400 --> 1:06:02.840 like when we're in high school and college, like Nike 1:06:03.080 --> 1:06:07.800 was always being protested, right, and it was synonymous with 1:06:08.600 --> 1:06:12.959 child labor and an exploitation. And I don't think any 1:06:13.000 --> 1:06:15.480 of that has changed, but people just don't care anymore 1:06:15.520 --> 1:06:18.959 because they can wall paper it over with like Colin 1:06:19.040 --> 1:06:21.680 Kaepernick at or something like that. And it's weird how 1:06:21.760 --> 1:06:24.440 much people will just accept that now and be like, Okay, 1:06:24.480 --> 1:06:26.920 it's cool. I mean, I think we're seeing a lot 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:29.320 of that right now, especially as people are trying to 1:06:29.360 --> 1:06:33.800 coop the optics of the uprisings without making any you know, 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:39.400 material change and practice or anything. Uh. I was think 1:06:39.400 --> 1:06:41.560 about it yesterday because I was driving somewhere and there 1:06:41.600 --> 1:06:44.000 was like an Apple billboard that's like Black Lives Matter, 1:06:44.560 --> 1:06:46.400 and I was like, wow, it's really only been a 1:06:46.480 --> 1:06:50.120 month and there's like an Apple billboard for this, but 1:06:50.200 --> 1:06:54.520 like nothing is really you know, some police to funding 1:06:54.640 --> 1:06:58.120 has happened in some places, but like not as much 1:06:58.160 --> 1:07:02.360 as we want, you know, yeah, it's all like provisional stuff. 1:07:02.680 --> 1:07:06.560 You know. So here in Berkeley, which you would think 1:07:06.600 --> 1:07:09.800 would be you know, we're basically have three two on 1:07:09.880 --> 1:07:13.440 the city council. They're to abolitionists, full on abolitions on 1:07:13.520 --> 1:07:16.480 the city council, and the city always wants to be 1:07:16.480 --> 1:07:19.520 the most progressive city. And all they did is pass like, hey, 1:07:19.560 --> 1:07:22.280 well we'll think about this stuff, you know, with no 1:07:22.480 --> 1:07:26.200 actual defunding. And I imagine that none of that stuff 1:07:26.280 --> 1:07:29.959 is going to pass, and that maybe it will because 1:07:30.000 --> 1:07:32.120 maybe things will pick up again. These things tend to 1:07:32.120 --> 1:07:35.440 go in waves. But um, and I think we're closer 1:07:35.440 --> 1:07:38.640 now than we were before, but definitely feels like things 1:07:38.680 --> 1:07:41.200 are dissipating a little bit more and going out into 1:07:41.880 --> 1:07:46.200 the more you know, corporate spaces like do do you do? 1:07:46.240 --> 1:07:48.920 You guys? Blame any of that on on how the 1:07:49.000 --> 1:07:54.240 media sort of immediately turned the movement into like an 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:57.920 examination of itself. No, I plame I mean tests is 1:07:57.920 --> 1:08:04.880 nodding her head yet partial. Yeah, I think neoliberalism is 1:08:04.920 --> 1:08:09.000 certainly to blame. But I think a lot of people 1:08:09.080 --> 1:08:12.640 also just sort of like heard what they want to hear, 1:08:12.680 --> 1:08:17.760 and we're like, okay, like the cops will wear you know, 1:08:18.000 --> 1:08:20.920 Black Lives Matter uniforms and that will fix it, and 1:08:20.960 --> 1:08:26.760 it's like that wouldn't fix it. Also, uh, I don't know. 1:08:26.840 --> 1:08:30.120 I mean the fact that I think that the narrative 1:08:30.120 --> 1:08:34.000 of like pressuring brands to put out like sort of 1:08:34.040 --> 1:08:38.959 these meaningless messages UM and not really having the pressure 1:08:39.000 --> 1:08:43.719 to do anything to enact change was for sure contributed. Though. 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:45.439 You know, on the other hand, I feel like we 1:08:45.479 --> 1:08:51.200 saw some positive stuff um from some individual employees who 1:08:51.240 --> 1:08:54.840 were just whistleblowing or you know, just didn't give a 1:08:54.840 --> 1:08:59.360 funk anymore, because especially in media, it's like so cutthroat 1:08:59.439 --> 1:09:01.120 that a lot of people just like didn't give a 1:09:01.120 --> 1:09:05.439 funk anymore. And so Tammy, who broke the Conde Nast 1:09:05.439 --> 1:09:09.599 story was just like tweeting. I thought, yeah, that was great, 1:09:09.880 --> 1:09:13.320 you know that that story broke through somebody just tweeting 1:09:13.360 --> 1:09:15.840 about like this is a fucked up place and here's 1:09:15.840 --> 1:09:17.439 what goes on. I was like, oh, can twitter be 1:09:17.520 --> 1:09:23.439 good sometimes? Maybe I I thought about it too, and 1:09:23.479 --> 1:09:24.800 I was like, well, there's part of it where it 1:09:24.840 --> 1:09:27.640 does feel like it's rerouted into this. But then I 1:09:28.280 --> 1:09:30.720 it's so impossible to draw a line between something that 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:32.840 I think is obviously good, like the kind of you know, 1:09:32.920 --> 1:09:35.599 like like this reckoning mpone at the tea, which seems 1:09:35.640 --> 1:09:38.080 like it was long overdue, and then some of the 1:09:38.160 --> 1:09:42.000 more cynical versions of it that is probably better just 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:44.840 to say it's all fine. But I don't know. I 1:09:45.360 --> 1:09:48.720 think it happened so quickly that um that it was 1:09:48.760 --> 1:09:50.720 a little bit surprising to me, you know, And I 1:09:52.120 --> 1:09:54.799 felt like that to me, seemed like just an active 1:09:54.840 --> 1:09:57.400 attempt to kind of like stop the momentum of the 1:09:58.479 --> 1:10:04.559 you know, to kind of like mem it into into meaninglessness. Yeah. Yeah, 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:07.320 I think it'll. I think things will pick up again. 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:11.440 Me too. People are piste off and maybe it's military 1:10:11.520 --> 1:10:15.080 law martial law now and everyone's broke, and you know, 1:10:15.439 --> 1:10:18.160 it's like it's the right I don't know, I don't 1:10:18.479 --> 1:10:22.480 and nobody there's nowhere to go. Yeah, there's no leadership 1:10:22.560 --> 1:10:25.080 from anyone. That was the thing in California is that 1:10:25.120 --> 1:10:27.320 they were like the media was also covering Newsome and 1:10:27.360 --> 1:10:29.640 Garsetti as being like these great leaders in a in 1:10:29.680 --> 1:10:32.799 a troubled time, and then they both just like bifted 1:10:32.840 --> 1:10:35.840 so badly because they like listen to their business interests 1:10:35.880 --> 1:10:41.639 and reopen stuff clearly against health interests for profit. And 1:10:42.479 --> 1:10:44.639 I think a lot of people realize that that system 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:47.840 isn't working for most people. It's so weird how there's 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:51.360 no accountability for that guy, you know, he said he 1:10:51.400 --> 1:10:54.559 wants to be president. We should uh hold them super 1:10:54.600 --> 1:10:57.559 accountable for everything. I mean, California is sucked up too, 1:10:57.640 --> 1:10:59.800 that's the thing. Like we were sucked up even when 1:10:59.800 --> 1:11:02.640 we're handling it, like we have a huge homelessness crisis, 1:11:02.640 --> 1:11:04.599 Like California has been sucked up for a long time 1:11:04.600 --> 1:11:07.559 before this. I think the new thing is the feeling 1:11:07.600 --> 1:11:12.040 that people are actually actively thinking about like what could 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:18.320 a city look like, you know, if if it were good. Yeah, yeah, 1:11:18.479 --> 1:11:20.920 that's a lot of that's happening in Oakland, which actually 1:11:21.000 --> 1:11:25.960 I think is is very cool to see, but um, 1:11:26.080 --> 1:11:28.519 they just have the city is just so broke that 1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:31.960 it's almost impossible for them to do anything. But that 1:11:31.960 --> 1:11:34.160 doesn't seem particularly true with l A, Like it seems 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:36.760 like l A could actually enact money, but they give 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:41.360 it all to the cops. Jay, thanks so much for 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:45.600 coming on Nightball. Uh what month do you think the 1:11:45.720 --> 1:11:49.240 NBA will stop playing? I think they will stop in August. 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:51.559 I think that there will be like five players who 1:11:51.560 --> 1:11:54.920 test positive because they have workers of course, going in 1:11:54.960 --> 1:11:57.120 and out of the bubble. That's the really fucked up 1:11:57.120 --> 1:12:00.640 thing too. Putting all of those people who are not millionaires. 1:12:01.360 --> 1:12:03.639 You're putting their health on the line, and they, you know, 1:12:03.680 --> 1:12:06.240 like they they have to go home, and a lot 1:12:06.320 --> 1:12:08.639 of them live in places with five or six roommates, 1:12:08.640 --> 1:12:11.599 and those five or six roommates are all essential workers too. 1:12:12.360 --> 1:12:15.240 And I don't know, I think that it's the great 1:12:15.280 --> 1:12:19.759 hypocrisy this is that it can only run with people, 1:12:20.120 --> 1:12:23.000 not just the players taking massive risks, but also this 1:12:23.040 --> 1:12:25.320 workforce that doesn't even get the benefits of the bubble 1:12:25.840 --> 1:12:30.599 taking massive risks, and that when they say, oh well, 1:12:30.640 --> 1:12:32.679 we're going to be the most progressively and we're gonna 1:12:32.720 --> 1:12:36.640 put Black Lives Matter on the court. You know it. 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:39.000 It's like the people who are doing the work are 1:12:39.439 --> 1:12:42.880 going to all be black and Latino, some Filipino people, 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:44.920 and those people are that will be the ones that 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:48.160 are getting sick. And you know it's it's that type 1:12:48.160 --> 1:12:51.479 of contradiction. I don't think it's resolvable through any amount 1:12:51.520 --> 1:12:55.800 of slogans or whatever. So we'll see. I think August though, 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:58.320 like the end of August, it will be over all right, 1:12:58.320 --> 1:13:01.720 We're gonna call our bookie right now. You can't take 1:13:01.760 --> 1:13:05.120 bets on this, by the way, if really yeah, of 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:09.719 course you can uncut if Uncut jumps taught us anything, 1:13:09.920 --> 1:13:12.920 Yeah you can. You can bet on anything. All right. 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:15.360 We'll be taking best on whether JA is right Jay? 1:13:15.600 --> 1:13:18.960 Before you go, where can people find you? Uh? Just 1:13:19.160 --> 1:13:22.320 on Twitter? It's just my full name, Jake casp and 1:13:22.439 --> 1:13:26.479 Kang and um yeah, there's no reason to reach out 1:13:26.479 --> 1:13:30.759 to me. Friends, there's no reason to follow me on Twitter. 1:13:30.840 --> 1:13:33.480 It's horrible. So I like the Heart takes on Salinger. 1:13:33.520 --> 1:13:35.960 I was with you on those. Can you tell us 1:13:36.000 --> 1:13:38.559 what your podcast is? Oh? Yeah, it's a I do 1:13:38.720 --> 1:13:41.679 with two of my friends, and it's the most niche 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:46.080 podcast possibly ever. It's for mostly for you know, like 1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:50.679 Asian leftists who uh you know, might be vacillating between 1:13:50.760 --> 1:13:53.439 Tanky is M and you know, just the d s 1:13:53.520 --> 1:14:00.120 A socialism for about eight people. But you know, we do. 1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:03.760 We talk about a lot of wide ranged things through 1:14:03.800 --> 1:14:07.160 that very specific lens. So it's we enjoy it. We 1:14:07.280 --> 1:14:10.120 love a niche podcast. We enjoy to make the most 1:14:10.240 --> 1:14:17.040 niche possible. Yeah, I think the more niche the better, honestly. Well, 1:14:17.040 --> 1:14:20.600 thank you so much. Jay. We'll be back for the 1:14:20.640 --> 1:14:25.800 next edition of the All Jim Crochy Ranking podcast. All right, 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:29.040 right bye, Thank you so much for listening Tonight Call 1:14:29.160 --> 1:14:31.599 this week. We will be back next week. 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