1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Why is there only one Power five Conference commissioner regularly 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: sending out tweets? Wouldn't it be nice to see that 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: from Larry Scott Stanford's nearly entire twenty nineteen roster. We'll 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: be playing football in but they'll be playing somewhere else. 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: The Independence Vault gets locked in with the Pack twelve 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: and Arizona States trying to make a real run at 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve sounds and how many teams will the 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: Pack twelve get into March madness? And why is there 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: so much parity and chaos? I'm George Rice Stir with 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Ralph Ampston and this is the Pack twelve Apostles. Thank 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: you guys for listening to the Pack twelve Apostles. We 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: appreciate your time, appreciate your energy. Thank you. Make sure 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: you leave a five star rating wherever you listen to 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: podcasts and send us an email to I'm mad at 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: Unafraid Show dot com and we will for sure or 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: answer it for sure get back to you, you know 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: how it goes. Ralph, the Super bowls over now, and 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: it was very interesting because if you were were a 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: PAC twelve fan, you saw a lot of familiar faces 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: on one team and pretty much none on the other team, 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: and the team with the nun won the Super Bowl. 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: So like San Francisco had so many Pack twelve players, 23 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, Stanford, Oregon, Mountain West, I mean, they had 24 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: players from everywhere on the West coast. But you look 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: up and down, uh, the Chiefs roster, as you did, 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: how many players were from the Pack twelve footprint or 27 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: from Pack twelve schools involved in the game. Not enough? 28 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: Not enough. It's this is a bad look for the 29 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: Pac twelve when it comes to you know, the Super 30 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: Bowl champions. They had a couple. You know, there's obviously 31 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: practice squad in your reserve and unless they played a 32 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: bulk of the season, I'm not really paying that much 33 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: attention to them. But as we look up and down 34 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: their roster, I mean, and we're not even talking some 35 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: of the major contributors. They have Jackson Barton if you 36 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: remember him, he was he was at Utah last year, 37 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: seventh round pick of the Indianapolis Colts. I think they 38 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: cut him, if I'm not mistaken, And the Chiefs jumped 39 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: in and swooped him up and and he plays some 40 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: offensive tackle for them. You know. Other than that, there 41 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: just aren't very many. If you want to say Terrell 42 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: Suggs is Pack twelve representation, I mean, you can go 43 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: ahead and do that, but you and I know he's not. 44 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: He's from the old Pack ten days. He's from when 45 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: you were playing. Yes, we got I mean we got. 46 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: We We would have had some Arizona State representation from 47 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve era outside of Terrell Suggs, but Mike 48 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: Pennell got kicked off of Arizona State's team by Odd 49 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: Graham and he ended up finishing his college career at 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: CSU Pueblo and he's had a nice six year career 51 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and now he's got himself a Super 52 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: Bowl ring Damien Williams, who had a hell of a 53 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: game probably should have been Super Bowl MVP. He actually 54 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: uh signed with a SU but didn't qualify, so he 55 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: end up going to Arizona Western Junior College before finishing. 56 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: I can't I can't remember where he finished his college crew, 57 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: but it wasn't at Arizona State. So there's not really 58 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: I mean, as far as actual Pack twelve representation. Um gosh, 59 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 1: Mitchell's Mitchell Schwartz from Cal And again, I don't even 60 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: know if he was Packed twelve era because this is 61 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: his eighth year in the NFL, so probably he probably 62 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: spent some time at at Cal in the in the 63 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve era. And then obviously, um Matt 64 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: Moore was a Pack ten quarterback at Oregon State. It's 65 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: pretty wild thinking that Matt Moore has a Super Bowl ring. 66 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: But none of these guys are real like big time contributors. 67 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: This is a this is a big twelve and sec 68 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: filled team, you know. And then and then you've got 69 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: a lot of a Group of five representation as well, 70 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: and so it definitely, I think is a little bit 71 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: of an indictment of of the Pack twelve to have 72 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl champion not really be reliant on any 73 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: of its players. And then it, honestly, it goes a 74 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: little bit further than that if you look into it, 75 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: if you look at just the Kansas City Chiefs draft history, 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: even just sticking with with recent history, right, so they 77 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: didn't draft a pack towel player this year, they didn't 78 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: draft a pack towel player last year. The last Pack 79 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: twelve player that they drafted was actually the sixth round 80 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: pick in twenty seventeen, who is the only player that 81 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: they have drafted in the last three years that is 82 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: not currently on an NFL roster. So that's bad. Well, 83 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: see that it's bad, But it's also oh kind of 84 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: telling because when when I got in the league, I 85 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: noticed that draft picks typically ended up a little more 86 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: geographical than than you would think that. Yes, teams will 87 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: will take a fire on other people, but let's let's 88 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: look at the team that I played for the longest 89 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: you had, the Jacksonville Jaguars. They always, for some reason, 90 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: draft a lot of players from Florida. Always. I think 91 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: it's just in Florida's two hours away, it's probably easier 92 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: for them to get to see all of that and 93 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: in their history. So they drafted Gardner Minshew last year, 94 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: but prior to that, their last pick of a PACTROL 95 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: player was Miles jack In ten Miles jack In and 96 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: before that, you they have Marquees lead In and it 97 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: had and Brian anger In and uh Tyson uh uh 98 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: ah Lulu allowed forgot how to say his name exactly 99 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: from cal In and Mike Thomas and oh nine. I 100 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: mean like they will get some but they've drafted probably 101 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: four or five times as many Florida players literally from 102 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: the University of Florida than they have from anywhere else. 103 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: So I think that geography probably plays a decent parted it, 104 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: But it also is that the Pac twelve needs to 105 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: get more players drafted. Yeah, I mean, I just I 106 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: just look at the fact that they've they've been three 107 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: years of drafting players that only one of them was 108 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: from the Pack twelve and it was their last pick 109 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: in the seventeen draft and Leon McQuay, and he's the 110 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: only one out of all of them to no longer 111 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: be in the in the NFL. And then if you 112 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: go back a year before that to the draft they 113 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 1: drafted Kevin Hogan. Remember Kevin Hogan, Stanford quarterback. They drafted 114 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: him in the fifth round. He's already out of the NFL. 115 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: And so if you if you look at it, in 116 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: the last four years, the Kansas City Chiefs have only 117 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: drafted two Pack twelve players. They are both out of 118 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: the NFL. And they are also the only two players 119 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: that the Kansas City Chiefs have drafted in the last 120 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: four drafts that are not in the NFL anymore. That's horrible. 121 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: But then if you if you do go back to 122 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: they did pick Marcus Peters out of Washington with their 123 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: first pick in the draft. He's I mean, he's with 124 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: the Ravens and he's got twenty seven career interceptions already. 125 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: He's having a hell of a career. And they also 126 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: picked Steven Nelson out of Oregon State in the third round. 127 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: He's playing corner in Pittsburgh, so he's doing really well. 128 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: But we're just talking about the last four years, which 129 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: is really the amount of time in which we've seen 130 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: sort of the Pack twelve fall off, fall behind financially, 131 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: and so just looking at the Chiefs roster, if we're 132 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: making it relevant to this podcast that we do here, George, 133 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,239 Speaker 1: it's just not it's not. It's not a good sign 134 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: when there's only like two players on the team, uh 135 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: and and they're they're contributors, they're not major contributors that 136 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: have packed twelve ties and that the only two players 137 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: they draft out of the Pack twelve in the last 138 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: four years are both completely out of the NFL. Like, 139 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: that's just that's just not a good look totally totally. 140 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: I mean, ay, look at what has happened to some programs, 141 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: Like last year Nebraska had nobody drafted and they used 142 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: to be such a powerhouse the Big Twelve. For the 143 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: eighth straight year, the Big Twelve tied or had to 144 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: outrate the least amount of draft picks by a Power 145 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: five conference. But I mean, they do only have ten 146 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: ten teams, so you know, if if they were number one, 147 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: that would be crazy. So I do think that geography, 148 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: strength of conference, all of these things matter, and that's 149 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: why recruiting matters. So we're gonna have National Signing Day, 150 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: which is going to be completely uneventful compared to the 151 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: um early signing period because almost out of the top 152 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: four three prospects, how many uncommitted guys are there, like 153 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: thirty maybe? Yeah, I mean I would say that it 154 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: went from being a when they first introduced early signing Day, 155 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: it went fifty fifty and then when you know, one 156 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: year into early signing Day, early signing Day just is 157 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: signing day. So we've already moved to probably an eight 158 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: twenty proposition of Power five prospects being signed with the 159 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: schools that they're ultimately going to go to. Yeah, so 160 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: it is important to for the Pack twelve to keep 161 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: players in the footprint. And I noticed that one of 162 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: the first people always saying something positive about the SEC. 163 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: Is SEC Commissioner Greg Sanky one of the first. He'll 164 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: tweet it out. He'll tweet out, oh, most players drafted, 165 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: most UH championships. Always he's always tweeting out positive things 166 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,479 Speaker 1: about the conference. And he's the what the only commissioner 167 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: that is sending out tweets And I'm just sitting there like, UH, 168 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: the pack twelve in general, it needs more publicity and 169 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: that starts, I think with the leadership at the top. 170 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: Send out more, send out some tweets. I get Larry 171 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: Scott will be you know, bombarded with negative tweets. He will, 172 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, so was Greg Sanky. 173 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: This dude has tweeted over sixty seven hundred times since 174 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven. The new Big Tank, the Big ten commissioner, 175 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: zero tweets, Larry Scott, no account, a c c UM, 176 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: no account, Jim Delaney, Big ten, no account and you're 177 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: but Jim. Jim Delaney is being replaced by this guy 178 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: named Kevin Warren who has a hundred and sixty seven 179 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: from his time at the Vikings. So I don't understand, 180 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: I mean, why Ralph is not the pact, Why isn't 181 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve committed to finding new ways to engage 182 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: with the fans to send positive messaging out, and they're 183 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: just relying on the PAC twelve network instead of the commissioner. Yeah. 184 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it sort of feels like he's hiding. And 185 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: I think we would know, we know what would happen 186 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: if Larry Scott started a Twitter account. The replies would 187 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: be an absolute dumpster fire. Um, but who cares. You 188 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: don't have to read them. That's true, you don't have 189 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: to read them. But I think what he's just afraid of. 190 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: I think he's just afraid of the way that things 191 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: would look. I don't agree. I think that the only 192 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: way for you to sort of combat some of the 193 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: negative information and stereotypes is for you to act as 194 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: your own voice. And this is just another way in 195 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: which I believe that. Um, you know, it comes off 196 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: as Larry Scott is hiding, but at the same time, 197 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: it's just it's another way in which you have to 198 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: try to justify his paycheck, Like, what do you mean 199 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: you make more than everybody else, but you do less, 200 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: especially in the most visible areas. I mean, but you 201 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: want you, you want to be running a network. Though 202 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: he's running a network and a conference. So that's why 203 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: he deserves to to to intuit of some change checks. Right. Well, 204 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to see something like where 205 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: where Larry Scott went to the um he where he 206 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: went all out? You go ahead and go to Pack 207 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: twelve dot com, Pack hyphen twelve dot com. You scroll 208 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: over to the conference tab on the far right side, 209 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: and the third tap down says Commissioner Larry Scott. And 210 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: all this web pages is just a giant praise of 211 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: Larry's It's literally his resume, okay, but he's not applying 212 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: for a job anywhere. This is a complete vanity project 213 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: for him to have his own web page on the 214 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: Pack twelve conference, the Conference of Champions website. Who is 215 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: going to the Pack twelve website just to view Larry 216 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: Scott's resume. Nobody, I am right now publishments of of 217 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: Larry Scott, Oh my gosh. And it's just it's everything 218 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: that people don't like about Larry Scott. It is just 219 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: corporate speak, positive adjective bingo. I mean, just at the 220 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: bottom of this let me read this. At the at 221 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: the bottom of this, uh where it says recognition and 222 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: service Scott has often earned recognition for his visionary leadership. 223 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: He has been a finalist for the Sports Executive of 224 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: the Year award given by Sports Business Journal, and was 225 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: awarded the Vision Award by Synopsis Sports. Have you ever 226 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: heard of Synopsis Sports? I've literally no idea what that is. 227 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: Scott was given the Americanism Award by the Anti Defamation 228 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: League in tribute to his mission of fostering positive change 229 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: through sports. He currently serves on the Anti Defamation League 230 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: board as the vice chair. He also serves on several 231 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: other boards. And I mean, that's it. This is what 232 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: does this do for the back twelve? What does a 233 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: web page with words of Larry Scott's accomplishments buried on 234 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: it with no contact information? What does that do? How 235 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: does it help? I just doesn't understand what doesn't And 236 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: I agree with you. He needs to be his own voice. 237 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: And yes he'll get some backlash. But but so what 238 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: I was reading, UM, I read a book recently. It 239 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: was a big time It's a a big time book, 240 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: UM about leadership. It's by this guy named Ben Horowitz. 241 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: It's called The Hard Thing About Hard Things Building a 242 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: business When there are no easy answers. This dude has 243 00:15:55,360 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: been wildly successful as a CEO. Name Brandon ceo, world 244 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: run huge company ops where all these just done so 245 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: much business, and he talks about in the book, he 246 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: uses examples from other great ceo s and all of 247 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: this is you know that you have a bad culture 248 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: in a company when all you hear are positive things 249 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: and there's never any talk of the negative, or the 250 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: negative is made to view as a positive. That if 251 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: that if all they want to tell you is the positive. 252 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: Everything is going perfect internally inside the company or even externally. 253 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: It is a ruse. It is a shell, and nobody 254 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: will believe it. And when when we're sitting here watching 255 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: the pack twelve fall behind the Big ten sec A 256 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: c c UH and Big twelve financially, we're seeing every 257 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: year in the college football playoff, I mean not even 258 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: the football playoff, but as soon as the season starts, 259 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if the back twelve can get in. 260 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: That's from before a damn game is played. That's what 261 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: we're here. If we're if we're seeing a mass exodus 262 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: from from recruits to a to other conferences because they 263 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: don't believe that they can win championships in the Pac twelve, 264 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: and all we're getting is positive messaging. Something is wrong. 265 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: We need to we need him to say, Look, something's 266 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: going on. We're gonna get it, get it fixed. It's 267 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: not going the direction that we want to go. Oh 268 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: but but Ralph, we're we're looking at selling our equity stake. 269 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: Look at three, look at when the new media rights 270 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: still is up. Okay, lets bs, let me stop you 271 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: right there. So the big gamble, the big gamble is 272 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: on Larry Scott, right, keep me around, because in we 273 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: are in the unique position of owning all of our 274 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: network rights. Therefore we will be able to negotiate a 275 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: deal with some future type of UH technology and or 276 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: platform that may not exist yet but will be in 277 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: prime position. And me as Larry Scott, knowing the ins 278 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: and outs of all of UH, the workings of what 279 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: we have going on, and keeping me in position for 280 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: the sake of continuity and for the sake of negotiation, 281 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: is what will ultimately pay off for the Pack twelve. 282 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: And by missing anything, that's what we're supposed to believe, right. Yeah, 283 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: they outsourced this process. They announced this last year. They 284 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: they entered into a partnership with with a company called 285 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: the Rain Group are AI n E and they announced 286 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: that though that group would be spearheading all of the 287 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: Pack twelves future media rights uh negotiations. So Larry Scott 288 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,239 Speaker 1: isn't even really involved in that. They they hired a 289 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: company to do this work for them, the way that 290 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: a school would a school president would hire a search 291 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: firm in order to collect coaching candidates. So it's not 292 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: even technically Larry Scott getting anything done or doing anything unique. 293 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: This is that scene from Elf where this is that 294 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: scene from Elf where they're all sitting around the desk 295 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: and he's saying, so my writers, my crack team come 296 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: in here and they pitched me the idea of bringing 297 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: in another writer, right Like, That's essentially what the PAT 298 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: twelve has done. The Rain Group is going to head 299 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 1: up any of the PAT twelves future negotiations for the 300 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: sale of media rights. They announced that twelve months ago. 301 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: As far as I know, nothing brand new has been 302 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: rolled out except one new partner who seems to be 303 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: a little bit on the very new and very infant 304 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: side of things. As far as the new media partner, 305 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: who's who's like selling deals for what what like ten 306 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: cents on the dollar. They're like, yeah, it's it's definitely 307 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: it's It's not something that I think would please Pack 308 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: twelve fans, that's for sure. So I just I I 309 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: don't know what it is that Larry Scott does. He's 310 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: got what seems to be a deep and competent team 311 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: of communications staff that that work under him. I don't 312 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: know how many of them are on Twitter, you know. 313 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: I I don't know if Andrew Walker, the vice president 314 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: of Public Affairs, I don't know if he's out there 315 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: tweeting stuff on behalf the PAC twelve. I know that nobody, 316 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: the casual fan doesn't know his name. Nobody knows Josh Issue, 317 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: the director of public relations, nobody really knows his name. 318 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: You know, everything always filters back to Larry Scott and 319 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: what is Larry Scott doing? Well, He's showing up at 320 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: football games every once in a while and Pack twelve 321 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: media Day and answering a set of questions or not 322 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: answering another set of questions, and it just it just 323 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: feels like the pactwell falls further and further behind. You know, 324 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: where is it just announcing what the SEC has taken 325 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: home forty four million per school for their media rights agreement. 326 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: So what does it do to own all the rights 327 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: to your own network if each school is getting at 328 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: least ten million less per school per year. Oh, that's 329 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: that's just the SEC with the forty four million, the 330 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 1: big twiter, the big ten paying out fifty five million, 331 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: fifty five million dollars. Like like I the problem to 332 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: me brow just just I don't understand how Larry Scott 333 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: keeps pulling the wool over these presidents and and and 334 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: athletic director's eyes, because it's clearest day to me. I've 335 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: been in business multiple years, on multiple businesses the best 336 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: of and played sports. They coaches used to say, you 337 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: can't make the club in the tub, so that means 338 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: that you can't make the team when you're on the sidelines. 339 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: But also in business, I've learned that the and in 340 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: life just in general, the best ability is availability. That's 341 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: the most important thing that you have is availability, because 342 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: if you're not available, then you did like if if 343 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: you're sick and your wife shows up, somebody shows up 344 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: to take care of you, then they're available. If you're 345 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: not available, you got nothing going to do. And the 346 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: pacts wealth is not available for people to see I 347 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: just don't think that there's motivation, proper motivation to do 348 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: anything different, because to go after Larry Scott would be 349 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: to go after the hand that feeds. Who bites the 350 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: hand that feeds, right who. Everybody complains about their boss 351 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: in every job in America. But it comes time for 352 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: that direct deposit to hit, and the boss is on 353 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: the way out the door on a Friday and says 354 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: that dumb thing that you hate. You say it back right, 355 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: catch you on the other side, Bob, Not if I 356 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: catch you first. You know you hate the dude, You 357 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: hate the dude, but your direct deposit just hit. You 358 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: don't have energy to be mad anymore. And so it's 359 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: not like the president of the university salary is gonna 360 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: go up if Larry Scott does something better. You know, 361 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: the coaches and this, this is the other thing you 362 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: gotta take a long hard look at, is it's not 363 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: like you mean. It just came out that Georgia spent 364 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: three point seven million on recruiting alone last year, three 365 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: point seven million on recruiting alone. And that doesn't from 366 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: as far as I know, that doesn't include any salary 367 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: of any kind for any coach. That's just the the 368 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: expense of recruiting, whether that's probably the graphics department or 369 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, or the visits UM. But three point seven million, 370 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: that's more than I think almost every Pack twelve school 371 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: pays their head coach yep on. And that's and that's 372 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: why the SEC can always poach your damn coaches. I mean, 373 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: look at this, John John Wilner just put out another 374 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: uh scathing interview I'm sorry review of the Pack twelve finances. 375 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: Um check check out his Twitter. It is absolutely I'll 376 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: repost it um online. And he talked about that that 377 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: the UM, the SEC's conference game of the week, the 378 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: one that's on CBS, it's currently valued at fifty five 379 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: million dollars annual. That that's just that, particularly the game 380 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: of the week. It's moving to SC to ESPN for 381 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: a paid eight in excess of three hundred million dollars 382 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: per year, So in other words, the SEC will earn 383 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: more each year for fifteen to sixteen broadcasts, which include 384 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: the SEC Championship game. Then the Pack twelve schools will 385 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: receive each year from the entire Tier one contract with 386 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: Fox and ESPN for forty four football games, three times 387 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: as many football games and they're gonna earn more. What 388 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: kind of stupidity is that? But we're still gonna try 389 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: to sell the Pack twelve network as a national brand 390 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,479 Speaker 1: when it's only it was only available in eighteen million 391 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: households last year, around eighteen million. That may sound like 392 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: a lot, but that's but some of those people don't 393 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: watch football. And you have to think about it. On 394 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: top of that, compared to a hundred million for ESPN, Well, 395 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: how many people have Sling that don't even know that 396 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve network these are and that is counting 397 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,239 Speaker 1: people who have Sling but don't have a package that 398 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: includes Pack twelve. That just means it's available to them 399 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: if they want to pay the extra five or ten 400 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: bucks a month. I have to in order to watch 401 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: the because I cover sports in the state of Arizona. 402 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: In order to watch the Suns and the Diamondbacks, I 403 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: need Fox Sports Arizona. So I pay fifty bucks a 404 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: month for YouTube TV. I pay another forty bucks a 405 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: month just for Sling so I can have the Pack 406 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: twelve network. And that's it. I pay forty bucks a 407 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: month for one channel for one channel. It's ridiculous. And 408 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: you talk about you know the differences between conferences. You 409 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: mentioned the fact that it's twenty two million per school 410 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: per year that the Big ten is getting over the 411 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: Pack twelve right now, do you know what that is 412 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: over a five year stretch? Conference wide? Much one point 413 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: three billion dollars over a five year period. And that's 414 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: just if things stay the same, George. They're not though, 415 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: they're expanding every single year. And that's for the next 416 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: five years. One point three billion more dollars will be 417 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: pumped into Rutgers than USC into Michigan State over u 418 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: c l A. And you ce l A. I'm glad 419 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: you Mett mentioned and we talked about it on the 420 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: last podcast. U c l A is running in They 421 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: ran in a deficit in twenty nineteen and are expected 422 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: to run in a deficit again in So how how 423 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: is you c l A supposed to recruit? How are 424 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: they supposed to, uh, you know, build new facilities all 425 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: this stuff to keep up? How are they supposed to 426 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: pay competitive coaching salaries? The the the truth is if 427 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: you if you live in and Um and try to 428 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: and try to make a great living out of the 429 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: scratching dent band, it doesn't work. Yes, you need to 430 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: get value, but sometimes you just get what you pay for. 431 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: I mean, like, like, so, how do you expect to 432 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: keep good coaches when you can't pay them competitively? When 433 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: even the worst teams in the SEC, like teams that 434 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: have never ever won an SEC championship, like Mississippi State, 435 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: they can pay your your assistant coaches two times as much. 436 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: Then you're Packed twelve team can make you have the 437 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: Pack twelve champion coach making under what I think, Bart 438 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: murroa Christopher is making under three million dollars a year 439 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: and he's got the best team in the Pack twelve. 440 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: If he were in the SEC even making six six 441 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: seven million dollars, and then and then people are gonna 442 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: wonder why if he wins again that that he's that 443 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: he leaves to go somewhere else, dumb man. So I'm 444 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: glad that you brought that up because because Arizona State 445 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 1: just lost defensive line coach Jamaar Kane, who was at 446 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: Fresno State last year Arizona State this year. They just 447 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: lost Jamarkane to Oklahoma. Now that's unique because Jamaar Kane 448 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: was one of the primary recruiters on this Arizona State staff. 449 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: Who landed all of the Northern California kids, one of 450 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: which was his nephew in law, so Omar Norman Lott, 451 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: a four star defensive lineman, committed to Arizona State to 452 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: play for his uncle. You would figure that Jamaar Kane 453 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: would have plenty of reason to stay at Arizona State, 454 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: but he left because going to Oklahoma gave him the 455 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to jump from making two hundred and ninety thousand 456 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: per year, which is what he was making at Arizona State, 457 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: to a position where rough and McNeil, the outgoing Oklahoma 458 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: defensive line coach, was making five hundred and seventy five 459 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: thousand dollars last year. Why would you not A s 460 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: U fans were upset about this because now a s 461 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: U is going to have to hire their sixth defensive 462 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: line coach in six years, three of which now have 463 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: left for higher paying jobs. In another conference, Shane Nua 464 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: left for Michigan. Jackie Ship left for the University of 465 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: Missouri Missouri. Think about think about that Missouri can pay 466 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: more than Arizona State, right so, and this is going 467 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: to keep happening to pack twelve schools. It's gonna happen 468 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: over and over and over again. When other teams who 469 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: see that California and the West are vulnerable in recruiting, 470 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna bring in guys with California ties. They're gonna 471 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: pay him two times as much. What's your marking supposed 472 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: to say? Sorry, nephew, but like I have the chance 473 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: to make more after taxes this year than I was 474 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: making last year before Texas. Think about this, Ralph, is 475 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: we we we're talking about all these numbers. Here is 476 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: the biggest problem of them all is that you run 477 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: into a situation to where you get so far behind 478 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: that you can't catch up. That's the problem. Is that 479 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: is that uh, Larry Scott is trying to tell us 480 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: that is this magic peel that's gonna fix everything. All 481 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: this money is gonna be flooding in. Uh No, I mean, 482 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: even if the money is flooding in, let's let's say 483 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: a scenario where where he's right, Ralph, you would have 484 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: already had six years of falling behind of not as 485 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: good a recruiting classes, which means that you won't get 486 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: the same level of recruits because they want to go 487 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: to the NFL and they want to win championships. So 488 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: that means you won't win a championship, you won't do 489 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: all these things, and then it's gonna trickle over it. 490 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: You're gonna be so far behind that by the time 491 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: you get this deal, the other deals will be up 492 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: and then your great deal will be just on par 493 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: with the with these deals. Like so then you're gonna 494 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: be right back. You are chasing your tail. And anybody 495 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: that thinks is gonna fix the mess, it's not. It's 496 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: gonna take long. It's gotta get fixed now. Like anybody 497 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: that thinks that they can this, this can keep getting 498 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: pushed out to the future is a wrong. This is 499 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: you are at death car the pack twelve? Is that 500 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: death come one? Right now? I can't say it any 501 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: other way? Am I overstanding this? Ralph? No? And the 502 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: numbers are just crazy, like we're talking about I just 503 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: I just said billion with a B a moment ago. 504 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: Like think about it. We're in the year right now, 505 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: thirty years ago. Thirty years ago, Stanford had an athletic 506 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: budget this is all sports, of two million dollars all sports. 507 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: And now we're talking about a twenty two million dollar 508 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:27,479 Speaker 1: a year difference in Stanford and Penn State just for 509 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: broadcast rights revenue distribution. Yea, the money is absolutely crazy. 510 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: It's a giant balloon. Who knows if it will ever 511 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: pop And that honestly might be the Pac twelves best 512 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to catch up is for everyone else to fail 513 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: and that but everybody else is not going to fail. 514 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: The viewership is up, they're selling more ads. It's not 515 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: gonna bust. Like it just doesn't. I mean people people 516 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: thought the NFL was gonna bust. It's not. It's only 517 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: of getting bigger. It's football. Yeah, I'm just so just 518 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: so hurt and so frustrated. We'll see, but that's just it. 519 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: We're we're more upset than the than the than the 520 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: people who are taking home the giant checks and who 521 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: feel too comfortable to move forward and to push forward. 522 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: That's just it. It's too you know. The The nice 523 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: thing about Pack twelve countries, you've got a bunch of 524 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: laid back folks, and maybe that's also maybe that's also 525 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: the ultimate issue is that people are just happy making 526 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: what they make because they got their piece of the pie, 527 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: and it's a bigger piece of pie than they ever 528 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: could have imagined. In a million years. It's not like 529 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about the difference between poverty and wealth. We're 530 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: talking about the difference between wealth and mega wealth. And 531 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: where is really that motivate? I know, honestly, George, if 532 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: I had a million dollars in the bank and I 533 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to work my butt off to have 534 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: two million dollars in the bank, I don't know if 535 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: I take that opportunity because I have a million dollars 536 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: in the bank, right, and so that's just me, that's 537 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: just my attitude, and I don't I just don't know 538 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: what motivation is there for these um university presidents, for 539 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: these university athletic directors to take a look at Larry 540 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: Scott and say, hey, Larry, objectively, not opinion. Objectively, you 541 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: make more than anyone. Objectively, we pay more in rent 542 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: than anyone. Objectively, we are taking home less than anyone. 543 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 1: We would like to rectify this or please stop calling 544 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: us the Conference of Champions, exactly exactly, because we're going 545 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: to be the group of We're gonna be in this 546 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: weird purgatory place like like like your your poper five team, 547 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: but you kind of group you kind a group of 548 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: five is you know, like we are, I mean, we 549 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 1: are the s E the a c C right now, 550 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: except for the a c C has Clemson, so I 551 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: don't know a SEC. The a CEC has two national 552 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,240 Speaker 1: championships in the last six years too, Yes, very very true. 553 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: And and they're available there on YouTube TV and Hulu 554 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: TV right they may not be on direct TV, but 555 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: there're but but they're they're they're still available now on too. 556 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: More Pack twelve news that is I'm not sure whether 557 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: it's good or bad. So we find out that the 558 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: Pack twelve is now into a bowl agreement with the 559 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: independence poll which is in I believe shreport Louisiana, and 560 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: who the opponents will be, So the opponents in t 561 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: will be Army and then in three b y U 562 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: in it will be Army again. And me and Ralph 563 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: Aron record a just and anybody sensible says, stop scheduling 564 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: service academies. You saw what happened in Washington State versus 565 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: Air Force. You saw what happened the year before UM 566 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: where Army almost beat Oklahoma. You know, like scheduling services 567 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: academies is not a good move. And you're just I 568 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: feel like you're just putting yourself in a position to 569 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: potentially lose bowl games. Row probably I'm I'm I'm interested 570 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: in this. I mean, the preset opponent thing is weird 571 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: for me because what happens if B y U goes 572 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: to Intent? Oh that's legit. Yeah, so I'm not I'm 573 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: not necessarily sure how that's gonna work. But I will 574 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: say I kind of like playing against the service academy 575 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: in a bowl setting, not so much regular season. But 576 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: you know, I remember Arizona State, I believe in the 577 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,720 Speaker 1: Sun Bowl took go on Navy a few years back, 578 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: and it was like a sixty two thirty game or 579 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: something like that. I think that I think taking on 580 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: the service academies in a bowl game is appealing just 581 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: because there are very few bowls that matter anyway, and 582 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 1: so it's it's kind of cool to see a different 583 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: kind of opponent every once in a while. I think 584 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: that Pac twelve fans will be happy to make a 585 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: trip out to to Shreveport, maybe try something new. Um, 586 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, I know that you know, a SU being 587 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: in the Sun Bowl three times in six or seven 588 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: years is getting a little old for them that that. 589 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: You know, there's teams that have kind of repeated performances 590 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: at the Vegas Bowler's Um. I don't know. I just 591 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: I think that it rotating the bowls around kind of 592 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: feels a little bit more fresh, it feels a little 593 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: bit more fun. I'm just a little bit confused by 594 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: the preset so in I don't think is going to 595 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: happen because Army is actually putting together a pretty talented 596 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: roster and they're well coached. But if Army goes four 597 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: and eight in, then they do they get to play 598 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: a Pack twelve team in or not? Uh, and then 599 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: the b y U game is actually against a Conference 600 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: USA opponents, So um, yeah, it's I don't know. The 601 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: whole thing is just it's really really weird to me 602 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: because Army Pack twelve b YU, PACKTROLO b y you 603 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: already played a bunch of Pack twelve teams. I'm not 604 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: sure any packtrol team really wants to see b y U. 605 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: I like the new opponents. You don't really see Army 606 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: come out West very often, so um that that could 607 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: be fun. I don't know. I I guess I don't have 608 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,959 Speaker 1: much of an opinion on this until I see it executed. Well, 609 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: the thing is that they was sold that, oh, the 610 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: Pack twelve recruiting footprint, that you know that other teams 611 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: that the kids in Louisiana will get a chance to 612 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: see Pack twelve teams. And I'm like, Okay, which Pack 613 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: twelve teams will be going down there to go? Away? 614 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: Army and b y U. I mean, it may be 615 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 1: a good recruiting pitch for Army, but how many kids 616 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: are really going to be willing to leave, uh Louisiana, 617 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: Shreeport Louisiana or area surrounding there to go I mean 618 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: what teams will be playing in that game? Washington State, 619 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: Oregon State, Arizona maybe, I mean what teams would realistically 620 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: be playing in this game, Ralph, I mean that that 621 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: kids would be like, oh yeah, I'm going there. You 622 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: do get a couple of Louisiana kids heading to Pack 623 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: twelve schools every single year, and I think one of 624 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 1: the reasons is that there's just so much talent there, 625 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: but only so many kids that l s U and 626 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: the Texas schools and soak up, and I think some 627 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: kids just want to head west, and so you know, 628 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: you there, there are definitely some good Louisiana players that 629 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: make it out West. I know that George Lee, you know, 630 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: five year defensive lineman. You know, he was playing for 631 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: he's playing for Arizona State jail and Bates went from 632 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: Arizona State to Colorado State. So you do get some 633 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: of those kids coming out, but not not very many. 634 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:20,439 Speaker 1: You know, Louis Louisiana is definitely on the upswing as 635 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: far as the amount of talent there, and it's just 636 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: gonna stand a reason that with the kids that like 637 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,959 Speaker 1: to leave where they're from, that you'll get a few. 638 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: But I honestly don't think it's that much of a 639 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: recruiting advantage. How many bowl games actually serve as a 640 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: recruiting advantage is how often do we hear that the 641 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: actual region that the Bowl is in helps some of 642 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: these teams out. You know, I don't see kids from 643 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: Tucson going to where, you know, to any of these 644 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: schools where the Arizona Bowl is played. I don't see 645 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: a ton of kids from San Diego getting enticed by 646 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: the by the Holiday Bowl. So I'm not I'm not 647 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: sure that that's up positive angle. Um. I wonder what 648 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: the appeal is for the PAC twelve to enter into 649 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: this agreement. Is in an extra Bowl. What if not 650 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: everybody qualifies from the PAC twelve, much less the opponent is, 651 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: it's just a guaranteed bowl no matter what. I definitely 652 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: love some more details on what's going on here for sure. Earlier, Um, 653 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: after I read it, retweeted John Wilner's article, he replied 654 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 1: to me and he said, is there a deaf con 655 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: zero for the for the money situations in the Pactwell? 656 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: Is there a deaf con zero? And I said, well, no, 657 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: how however, I guess the conference imploding financially will will 658 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: be deaf con zero. Um. Oh, we we do have 659 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: another PAC twelve player heading out of the footprint. You 660 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: have kJ Costello heading down to Mississippi State. You know, 661 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: he had been a multiple year starter at Stanford and 662 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 1: Mike Leach gets him a quarterback who who I believed 663 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: this year would should have had a good year. Like 664 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 1: I remember when we were talking at the beginning of 665 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 1: the season, I thought kJ Costello, if they allowed him 666 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: to sit back and throw the ball a lot, would 667 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: be a really good quarterback. And now he gets a 668 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: chance to, I think, which can propel him to be 669 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,359 Speaker 1: a potentially very intriguing NFL prospect because he clearly knows 670 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,359 Speaker 1: how to run a pro system because he played at 671 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: Stanford all the checks, was able to execute those things 672 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: very well. Then he goes over to Mike Leach and 673 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: learns how to run the air raid and he's kind 674 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: of mobile too. I think that this is a huge 675 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: chance for kJ Costello to improve his draft stock, helped 676 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,919 Speaker 1: Mississippi State play well. I mean, I think that this 677 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 1: looks like a home run all over for the year. Personally, yeah, 678 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: it could be good. I'm trying to think of a 679 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: quarterback who who maybe was similar to kJ Costello that 680 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: played in a mic Leach system, and the best that 681 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:20,319 Speaker 1: I can currently come up with is Connor Halliday. Uh. 682 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: You know, he played from from two thousand eleven to 683 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen. I don't know was his story. Was 684 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 1: he like a walk on or something that had to play, 685 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: came in as a freshman, went off, and then held 686 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: the job down for three years. But Mike Leach had 687 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: a lot on his plate with working with with Connor Halliday. 688 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 1: This is supposed to be a high efficiency offensive system, 689 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: and he was getting the yards from him, and you 690 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: could see the progress that Halliday was making. You know, 691 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: he completed fifty of his passes, which is garbage for 692 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: Mike Leach offense back in two thousand twelve, and that jumped, 693 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: that jumped a leve in percent to sixty three in 694 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, and then all the way up to 695 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: sixty seven point three and two thousand fourteen. Coincidentally, sixty 696 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: seven point three would be the lowest completion percentage for 697 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: the program as a whole since two thousand fourteen. Three 698 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 1: times in the last four years, Washington States quarterbacks have 699 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: completed more than seventy of their passes on the season, 700 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: And so you know that means that you're definitely gonna 701 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: have to see a major step forward from kJ Costello 702 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,759 Speaker 1: if he wants to keep that going, because this is 703 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: somebody with sixty two point six career completion percentage, and 704 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 1: so maybe maybe it's a throwback to a little bit 705 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: of the Connor Halliday days. But he's talented enough that 706 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: I think that if Mike Leach gets ahold of him 707 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: and works with him, that uh, he's got a quick 708 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 1: enough release. He's intelligent enough that I think that he 709 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: can he could run that offense successfully. But it's definitely 710 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,880 Speaker 1: not gonna be what you were used to seeing the 711 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,400 Speaker 1: last couple of years with Anthony Gordon, with Gardner Minshew 712 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: or even with Luke Falk, like this is just that, 713 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: this is gonna be UM. I think it's gonna be 714 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of an adjustment period for Costello, but 715 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 1: it's an upgrade over what they have, and I think 716 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: it's a really good opportunity for Costello to show off 717 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: that he can play in multiple systems, because there are 718 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: multiple systems across the NFL landscape now. Yeah. Yeah, So 719 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,479 Speaker 1: hopefully he does well. But I'm very interested to see 720 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: how Stanford's um, I mean, how Stanford's team looks next year, 721 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 1: because they have just been I mean, I've never in 722 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: my life, well, well obviously the transfer reporter hasn't been 723 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,960 Speaker 1: around very long, but but never in my life have 724 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: I ever seen this many people transfer from a university, 725 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,360 Speaker 1: and I mean just just so quickly, and then to 726 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: make it crazy, to make it even more crazy, pretty 727 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: much all of them are immediately eligible. You got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, 728 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: sixteen players. You're losing sixteen scholarship players, a lot of 729 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: starters as well. Yeah, so they and probably the most 730 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: important starter that they lost was Henry Henry Hattis, who's 731 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 1: going to Arizona State. I mean he's an NFL alignment 732 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, late I mean late round, but 733 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: he I mean's he's not like a campus prospect or 734 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,320 Speaker 1: anything like that. But this is a kid that is 735 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: is genuinely, um, the real deal. And it's probably a 736 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 1: top ten offensive lignement in the conference going in the 737 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:59,400 Speaker 1: next season for sure. And you know, and then then 738 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 1: they also lost uh, Debrie Hamilton's and Dylan Powell as well. 739 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: And these are kids because sometimes you see kids get 740 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: into transfer portal and they're not going in there, um 741 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: and they're not finding homes or they're going down no 742 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 1: Stanford to Duke Stanford to Arizona State, Stanford to Indiana. 743 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,279 Speaker 1: You know, like their kids are getting picked up. That 744 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,839 Speaker 1: means that they are talented. So but but they did 745 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: have a couple of kids stay like uh Thomas Shaeffer 746 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: and um and Scooter Harrington as well, one of their 747 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: their tight ends. But this this has just been an 748 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: absolute just okay, so answer me this. So I want 749 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: I want to talk about two different things with this. 750 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: Number One, did you see the Darren Ravelle tweet where 751 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,840 Speaker 1: he took where he took the news with kJ Costello 752 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: transferring from Stanford to Mississippi State and turned it into 753 00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 1: some like weird insults. Oh m hmm. I didn't see 754 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,239 Speaker 1: his original tweet, but I saw you tweeting about it, 755 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 1: so that this is Darren ravel is. I mean, he's 756 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: a weirdo. Uh, and he gets a ton of engagement 757 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: and attention. I think, if you know, we live in 758 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,280 Speaker 1: a new age where instead of you know, the classic 759 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,399 Speaker 1: like vampires that drink blood to survive, Darren Ravelle drinks retweets. 760 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: He is Twitter's Dracula and uh and you know he 761 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: he um. He took the news about kJ Costello going 762 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: from from Stanford to Mississippi State and he wrote alternate headline, 763 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: Costello goes from school ranks sixth academically by US News 764 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 1: and World Report to number two hundred eleven. What is 765 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 1: the purpose that? And of course he got ratioed, because 766 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: he gets ratioed at a minimum of once per day. 767 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,279 Speaker 1: But what's the point of saying something like that when 768 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: we obviously right? So he's got a Stanford degree, he's 769 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,720 Speaker 1: onto his mas stairs and this is a football related transfer. Anyway, 770 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: this is him trying to improve his shot at the NFL. 771 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,839 Speaker 1: Why take a shot at what they have going on 772 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: there and start film It just seems highly unnecessary on 773 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 1: his part. He may not have realized that he already 774 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,840 Speaker 1: has his degree. But the funny part I thought about 775 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: it was is the argument where he said, no, I'm 776 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 1: giving you clicks, I'm just rewriting the headline because I 777 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,439 Speaker 1: write it better. Oh yeah, like he's the Twitter's Robin 778 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: Hood or whatever. He's he's corny. But and here, so 779 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 1: here's my other one. What if and you got to 780 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 1: hear me out on this, because we are all looking 781 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: at the grad transfer exodus out of Stanford as a crisis. Correct, 782 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,440 Speaker 1: we're looking at it as a crisis, only one of 783 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: the only because you can't just replace those scholarships is 784 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 1: not like they can go back and sign forty players, 785 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: right right, And that one that is a really good 786 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: argument about what I'm about against what I'm about to say. 787 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:13,720 Speaker 1: But what if this is actually benefit? What if David 788 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,839 Speaker 1: Shock can essentially market this as come to Stanford, we 789 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: will play you immediately, and you will have the opportunity 790 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,399 Speaker 1: as a multiple year starter to decide am I going 791 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: to the NFL? Where am I going to find another 792 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: system to play in to showcase my talents? Because you know, 793 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: Michael Williams, he's a multi year starter. He's one of 794 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 1: the players that's transferring out and and you know he 795 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 1: he actually was quoted by seven Sports is saying David 796 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,359 Speaker 1: Shaw encourages his players to explore options knowing how hard 797 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,960 Speaker 1: it can be to get into grad school. It is not. 798 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,320 Speaker 1: And so that's not even to say like these guys 799 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 1: are training, are replying to Stanford grad school, but that 800 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,720 Speaker 1: their mind is made up that like, once I reached 801 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,160 Speaker 1: the point where I would be going into my eight 802 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: year of college, I need to be looking for that 803 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: other opportunity to broaden my horizons. So or maybe yeah, 804 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,439 Speaker 1: I mean they're like normal people the way they're better 805 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,879 Speaker 1: their fifth year than they are their fourth year. Well, 806 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,080 Speaker 1: but then so then that that's the other thing. So yeah, 807 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,080 Speaker 1: you could you could red shirt them so that there 808 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 1: so that they are are better their fourth year, but 809 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,880 Speaker 1: the actual academic progress rates probably not going to change 810 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: because these kids are coming into college now with the 811 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,760 Speaker 1: intent of graduating as soon as possible. In the event 812 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: that they do have to transfer so you would be 813 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,359 Speaker 1: asking some of what slow down on their their academic progress. 814 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: Just take junk classes. You're like, just take junk classes 815 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,200 Speaker 1: your last your your fifth year, just for that fall. 816 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,799 Speaker 1: I mean, that's it. Yeah, But I I don't know. 817 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 1: And I obviously obviously they would probably rather keep all 818 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,239 Speaker 1: these players than lose them. But if that's part of 819 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,239 Speaker 1: the appeal of going to Stanford, then I could see 820 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: how that would be a huge or potential recruiting win 821 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,640 Speaker 1: for them, and basically saying like, hey, it's more and 822 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 1: more fashionable for people to go to multiple colleges to 823 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 1: have multiple experiences in their college playing careers. Once you've 824 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 1: established yourself, then you are you're essentially have the pick 825 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,759 Speaker 1: of the litter as far as where you go and 826 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,040 Speaker 1: showcase your talents in your final season. Stanford is a 827 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,640 Speaker 1: place that you can do that with no judgment at all. 828 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,399 Speaker 1: And if that's if that that would be a good 829 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,240 Speaker 1: way to set themselves apart. But I think it's obviously 830 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,320 Speaker 1: more born out of necessity. They would rather have these players. 831 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: But if David Shawn really doesn't care, and he's encouraging 832 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,400 Speaker 1: players to go out and and you know, these sixteen 833 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,880 Speaker 1: seventeen players that are all gonna be on different teams 834 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,879 Speaker 1: next season, if they don't have a single negative thing 835 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,160 Speaker 1: to say about Stanford's program or David Shaw, And that's 836 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,600 Speaker 1: what I'm just waiting to leak out, is someone to 837 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,800 Speaker 1: say something negative and it hasn't happened yet, then maybe 838 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,000 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of saying, like, oh, Stanfords are 839 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: really cool. Opportunity to go and get a Stanford undergrad 840 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,799 Speaker 1: and then have the opportunity to go and showcase my 841 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,320 Speaker 1: talents and a system that maybe benefits me more moving 842 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,840 Speaker 1: into the next phase of my life. Okay, let's just 843 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,000 Speaker 1: see how that works out in terms of winning and 844 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,680 Speaker 1: that that sounds nice, It sounds I get it, I 845 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,640 Speaker 1: get it. Your your your theory is not outrageous. However, 846 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,480 Speaker 1: in practicality and application, we're gonna have to see how 847 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,800 Speaker 1: that works because right, I'm I'm basically treating in this scenario, 848 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,160 Speaker 1: I'm treating Stanford like the good Luck Chuck thing. Right, 849 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,120 Speaker 1: Like whoever dates Dane Cook in that movie they meet 850 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,439 Speaker 1: and they marry, so you know, and even Dane Cook 851 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,440 Speaker 1: gets sick of it in that movie, right, because like 852 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,000 Speaker 1: he just wants somebody to love him, and I think, 853 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,839 Speaker 1: you know, Stanford could market itself. Is that sort of 854 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,839 Speaker 1: good luck Chuck type school. But I don't think. I 855 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,319 Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, you want your 856 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,240 Speaker 1: guys to stick around the way the Walker a little 857 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, didn't declare for the draft and he's coming back. 858 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know. It's it's complicated, but just trying 859 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,000 Speaker 1: to find a bright side. At some point in time, 860 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: this becomes a this becomes a serious issue. I think, 861 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,879 Speaker 1: I think that it becomes a serious issue when when 862 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,000 Speaker 1: your scholarship numbers because my mind, you Stanford already didn't 863 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:30,280 Speaker 1: have a full uh, didn't have a full compliment of players. 864 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:37,640 Speaker 1: So I just don't see how overall that this could 865 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:44,480 Speaker 1: be a good thing, you know, But I am I'm open. 866 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,279 Speaker 1: I'm open to being wrong. I'm open to being wrong. 867 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,399 Speaker 1: But because right right now, I was looking at their 868 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:56,920 Speaker 1: scholarship distribution they have. They have five quarterbacks on their 869 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:02,280 Speaker 1: roster right now. They have of a bunch of running backs, 870 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,759 Speaker 1: none have really played very much. They're really thin at 871 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:12,720 Speaker 1: wide receiver on their roster. They only have six wide 872 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:18,360 Speaker 1: receivers that are already in school. Six. Yeah, you can't 873 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,480 Speaker 1: even make it through practice with six wide wide receivers. 874 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:33,880 Speaker 1: They have more. Oh oh wait, never mind, these guys 875 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:39,080 Speaker 1: are still uh sorry, they only have four wide receivers 876 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:44,120 Speaker 1: because the seniors are still on their rosters technically. Yeah, 877 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: so dude, this is not They're a long way from 878 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: being able to fill out a full eighty five man 879 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,239 Speaker 1: scholarship roster team. True, but and I just I'm thinking 880 00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 1: about thinking about it this way. Stanford recruits again, some 881 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,120 Speaker 1: of the best schools in the country, right, Like, they 882 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,160 Speaker 1: go head to head for some real high level four 883 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,240 Speaker 1: and five star kids. So if a kid is sitting 884 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 1: there and saying, like, man, I really want to Standford education, 885 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,719 Speaker 1: but I want to play football for Alabama, you know, 886 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 1: like I want that experience, And David Shaw is the 887 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: only coach in the country that can walk into their 888 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 1: living room and tell them why not both, then in 889 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:32,000 Speaker 1: some way that serves as an advantage for them, like 890 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,800 Speaker 1: they might be able to get kids that they wouldn't 891 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,960 Speaker 1: get otherwise when those kids realize that David Shaw isn't 892 00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,840 Speaker 1: just tolerant of the transfer portal because those are the rules, 893 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,920 Speaker 1: but he's actually in favor of it. And we're not 894 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,840 Speaker 1: gonna know unless we hear from him, and that's gonna 895 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,919 Speaker 1: be the first question that I asked him at packed 896 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,320 Speaker 1: to a media day this year. Um, a team that's 897 00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:04,360 Speaker 1: benefiting from this transfer portal Arizona State. Obviously, they've had 898 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,320 Speaker 1: a couple of kids to leave, like the uh like, uh, 899 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,360 Speaker 1: the quarterback Joe yelling at yeah, Joe, yeah, Joey yelling 900 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,920 Speaker 1: he with the pit right, yeah, yeah, And but that's 901 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,400 Speaker 1: to be expected. He's a freshman. He's like, I'm not 902 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,320 Speaker 1: sitting behind Jade Daniels because he's not getting He's not 903 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,760 Speaker 1: gonna just suck. So so he's not coming out of 904 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,200 Speaker 1: the lineup and I'm not sitting here forever waiting on him, 905 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: which I don't mind at all. But them picking up 906 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,760 Speaker 1: um you know, uh some of the the the line 907 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,000 Speaker 1: that guard from Stanford, they picked up some other guys. 908 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:49,240 Speaker 1: I It just and that's the weakest spot on Arizona State, 909 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,360 Speaker 1: is there. What was their offensive line? So they were 910 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,680 Speaker 1: definitely in huge trouble on the on the offensive and 911 00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,920 Speaker 1: they're in they're in deep trouble. And now they've got 912 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 1: and they'll they'll at least be returning two freshman starters. 913 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,440 Speaker 1: I believe their senior backup center from last year, Kade Cote. 914 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,760 Speaker 1: I believe he was granted a sixth year of eligibility, 915 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,520 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, they're gonna go from what 916 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,439 Speaker 1: was probably gonna be the worst offensive line by far 917 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: and all of the pack twelve to having a sixth 918 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:29,120 Speaker 1: year senior at center to having two returning starting sophomores 919 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,120 Speaker 1: that they'll be able to roll out there. And then 920 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,680 Speaker 1: Kelln Diche from Texas A and M six ft seven 921 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:41,120 Speaker 1: uh number sixty eight overall player in the country when 922 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,880 Speaker 1: he committed to Texas A and M for the class 923 00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,800 Speaker 1: of two thousand sixteen. And then they got Henry Hattis 924 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,960 Speaker 1: from Stanford. And as long as they're able to keep 925 00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,240 Speaker 1: all of these guys healthy, then the transfer portal could 926 00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:01,080 Speaker 1: essentially have helped Arizona State go for UM, you know, 927 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:06,160 Speaker 1: from worst two, maybe up near first, probably not first, 928 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,520 Speaker 1: but up near there. Remember Henry Hattis at one point 929 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,880 Speaker 1: was a fourth star with Rivals as well. I think 930 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,760 Speaker 1: he got downgraded a little bit towards the end of 931 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,720 Speaker 1: the process. But you know, I went out and I 932 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,080 Speaker 1: watched that kid practice when he was in high school, 933 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,200 Speaker 1: shook his hand. He has literally the biggest palm big say, 934 01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,120 Speaker 1: it felt like a get slapping hands with a walrus. 935 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,919 Speaker 1: Is fin the biggest hands that ever seen her entire life, 936 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,440 Speaker 1: and he and and he already has starting experience in 937 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve. So when you have Henry Hattis and 938 01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,040 Speaker 1: Kellyn Diash both coming to a s U and then 939 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,800 Speaker 1: you have the you know, you have the two freshmen 940 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,480 Speaker 1: who started who are who are going to be uh sophomores? 941 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,240 Speaker 1: You know it's not it's not the most ideal situation 942 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,560 Speaker 1: you want to be able to um. I remember one 943 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,160 Speaker 1: time the Arizona State described the way that they wanted 944 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,640 Speaker 1: to recruit offensive line. They wanted it to be like 945 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,680 Speaker 1: Shark's Teeth, where you were really only playing seniors. When 946 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,000 Speaker 1: those guys fell out, there's another row coming up right 947 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,560 Speaker 1: behind them, right. But their recruiting was so bad for 948 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: so long that heading into next year they only had 949 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,480 Speaker 1: h if if they were not granted that sixth year exception, 950 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,280 Speaker 1: they were only going to have one junior or senior 951 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,560 Speaker 1: on the roster, and that was an Oregon transfer whose 952 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,080 Speaker 1: name is escaping me right now, who Cody Sheer I believe, 953 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,280 Speaker 1: who didn't really play much at Oregon, so he has 954 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,680 Speaker 1: no experience either, and that was gonna be a real 955 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,040 Speaker 1: rough situation. But they definitely the transfer port will help 956 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,440 Speaker 1: them upgrade big time. Yeah yeah, So Arizona State is 957 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,439 Speaker 1: going to be a force to be reckoned with with 958 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,680 Speaker 1: for this upcoming year. Now, there's the issue of PAC 959 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,760 Speaker 1: twelve basketball. Right now, according to Andy Katz and a 960 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:48,880 Speaker 1: lot of the other projected brackets, you have five pack 961 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:53,800 Speaker 1: twelve teams making the cut, and it just so happens 962 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,000 Speaker 1: that those are the teams that are in top of 963 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,960 Speaker 1: the standings right now. You have Oregon they project to 964 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,360 Speaker 1: be a three seat, Colorado is projected to be a 965 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:09,280 Speaker 1: sixth seed right now, they have Arizona as a as 966 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:14,800 Speaker 1: a five seed, and uh USC as an eleven seed, 967 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,680 Speaker 1: in Stanford as an eight seed. Those are the potential 968 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,240 Speaker 1: ways that it will shake out. Obviously, with the way 969 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,680 Speaker 1: the conference is going, who knows who will finish in 970 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,880 Speaker 1: the regular season top spot. So you have three ranked 971 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,520 Speaker 1: teams right now, You've got Oregon at four, team, Colorado 972 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:39,960 Speaker 1: at and Arizona at three. However, the first five teams 973 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,200 Speaker 1: in the fact, we all have three losses right now. 974 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,560 Speaker 1: Oregon seventy three, Colorado six, and three USC six and three, 975 01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,919 Speaker 1: Arizona and Stanford are both five and three, and then 976 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 1: following that, you got U. C l A, who's in striking. 977 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:54,840 Speaker 1: This is I guess if you will, only a game 978 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:59,160 Speaker 1: and a half back, and the lost column is you 979 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,080 Speaker 1: got You got U. C l A and Cow as 980 01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,400 Speaker 1: well with only four losses, and then Arizona State as well. 981 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 1: So this is the trickiest thing that you've ever seen, 982 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:15,200 Speaker 1: because how can you reconcile a team like Oregon going 983 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,320 Speaker 1: off and beat in Michigan, beating all these really high 984 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,680 Speaker 1: quality teams, but then coming in conference and struggling so 985 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:27,400 Speaker 1: mightily against you know, against Washington State. Then you lose 986 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,160 Speaker 1: a Stanford, which was you basically got house. You made 987 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:32,920 Speaker 1: it eat closer at the end, but it's still a 988 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:38,400 Speaker 1: ten point victory. And then you got usc who went 989 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:43,280 Speaker 1: to overtime with Oregon lose, just getting demolished by Colorado. 990 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,960 Speaker 1: Just getting demolished by Colorado. It just doesn't make a 991 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,240 Speaker 1: lot of sense what we're seeing. But this is the 992 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:55,040 Speaker 1: Pac twelve. Same way that we got crazy results in 993 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,600 Speaker 1: Pact twelve football, we're getting crazy results in Pac twelve basketball. 994 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,560 Speaker 1: But the good thing is the conference perception overall is better, 995 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,360 Speaker 1: so you're not gonna get three teams in the tournament 996 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,040 Speaker 1: like you did last year, which is a good thing, 997 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean, But the probably out of all the results, 998 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,880 Speaker 1: the most puzzling thing is the Washington Huskies being too 999 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:22,160 Speaker 1: and eight in conference and twelve and eleven overall and 1000 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,600 Speaker 1: being dead last in the Pac twelve, especially when they 1001 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,800 Speaker 1: have two potential lot of re picks on the same team. 1002 01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,439 Speaker 1: But we saw this when they have Marquelle Folks as well. 1003 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,480 Speaker 1: This is not new news. But this upcoming week on 1004 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:43,280 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve schedule, you have the Bay Area schools 1005 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,000 Speaker 1: playing Colorado and Utah, and you have USC in U 1006 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,160 Speaker 1: c l A playing the Arizona schools, and then you 1007 01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,400 Speaker 1: have Oregon and Oregon State playing later on the weekend 1008 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,520 Speaker 1: as well. So the first game is on Thursday, which 1009 01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,920 Speaker 1: gives USC at Arizona, which is a big deal. It's 1010 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,680 Speaker 1: a big deal. It's it's on ESPN two the UM 1011 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,200 Speaker 1: and then so is U c l A Arizona State. 1012 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,480 Speaker 1: The reason why it's such a big deal is because 1013 01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:20,680 Speaker 1: USC is sitting in striking distance and they have a 1014 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,720 Speaker 1: chance to potentially win the regular season crowd in Arizona 1015 01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:29,960 Speaker 1: and Sean Miller can stop underachieving. UM. But the guys 1016 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,120 Speaker 1: to watching this game. O Congo for USC, This dude 1017 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,919 Speaker 1: is musty TV, fun, fun to watch, and you would 1018 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,320 Speaker 1: love to see Nicko Omannion have a good game. And 1019 01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean you want the patrol of to look good 1020 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,200 Speaker 1: on television, like you don't want it to be a blowout. 1021 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:51,160 Speaker 1: Arizona's ranked USC's right on the cusp, so you wanted 1022 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,920 Speaker 1: to be a highly contested game. That way, when it 1023 01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,080 Speaker 1: comes down to tournament seating, that you know you can 1024 01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,280 Speaker 1: stay on those upper lines. Because upper lines mean if 1025 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,600 Speaker 1: you're in one of the top four or five lines, 1026 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,680 Speaker 1: then you're going to be in a geographically desirable bracket. 1027 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:12,640 Speaker 1: You're not gonna be put in the Eastern bracket if 1028 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,120 Speaker 1: you're one of the better teams. This is just the 1029 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:20,720 Speaker 1: way it works. So packed all basketball, it is important 1030 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,880 Speaker 1: we have to we have to know and pay attention 1031 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,480 Speaker 1: to what is going on because with all the money stuff, 1032 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:34,640 Speaker 1: with all the um you know, with all the things 1033 01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,320 Speaker 1: that we're hearing negative about the conference where we talked 1034 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:41,600 Speaker 1: about deathcom one and all that, you still have to 1035 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:49,120 Speaker 1: know that good performances in the tournament will lead to 1036 01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:53,760 Speaker 1: better recognition, better recruiting, and all of that now on 1037 01:06:54,040 --> 01:07:00,960 Speaker 1: the um. Now on the women's side of it, things 1038 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:07,360 Speaker 1: are totally different because if you look at the top seeds, 1039 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:12,920 Speaker 1: like the women's they released their top sixteen seeds going 1040 01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,680 Speaker 1: into the game. They released it at halftime of the 1041 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:21,440 Speaker 1: Oregon Yukon game, I believe, and you had and that, 1042 01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,680 Speaker 1: and going into that line, you you had Oregon at four, 1043 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:30,040 Speaker 1: Stanford at six, Oregon State at nine, U c. L 1044 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:37,480 Speaker 1: A At eleven, and Arizona at number thirteen. So in 1045 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,480 Speaker 1: the top thirteen seeds you have five pack twelve teams. 1046 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:46,080 Speaker 1: That's by far the most in the conference. And the 1047 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,240 Speaker 1: thing that makes the conference look even better is is 1048 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:55,440 Speaker 1: that you had Yukon, who is the the litmus test, 1049 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,720 Speaker 1: the you know, for all of college football, I'm sorry 1050 01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,240 Speaker 1: for all the college women's college basketball, which is what 1051 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,480 Speaker 1: Tennessee used to be. Now you Kon, you can judge 1052 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,480 Speaker 1: your success based upon how you do against Yukon. Oregon 1053 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,320 Speaker 1: went to Yukon and in stores and one, which is 1054 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,800 Speaker 1: pretty incredible because until Baylor beat them of a week 1055 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,240 Speaker 1: or so ago or two weeks ago, they hadn't lost 1056 01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,640 Speaker 1: their like at home, whether it's Hartford or there in 1057 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:27,040 Speaker 1: like ninety eight games. Incredible, and it just speaks to 1058 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,280 Speaker 1: how good the conference is because you have Oregon State, 1059 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,840 Speaker 1: who's dominant, Stanford who's dominant when they're playing out of 1060 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:39,320 Speaker 1: conference teams, but you have the pack twelve teams beat 1061 01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,679 Speaker 1: up on themselves. I mean, if you have five teams 1062 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,320 Speaker 1: in the top thirt team, it's gonna be hard for 1063 01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,280 Speaker 1: a team to stay at number one because they're going 1064 01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,800 Speaker 1: to lose games. It's hard not to lose games when 1065 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:57,559 Speaker 1: you're playing top competition every single game. And no other 1066 01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:04,720 Speaker 1: conference has that sort of um has that sort of competition. 1067 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,400 Speaker 1: And if you look at the regular rankings, not only 1068 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,760 Speaker 1: is uh you you have all those teams in the 1069 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,680 Speaker 1: top twelve twelve, you also have Arizona State in at 1070 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,840 Speaker 1: nineteen two. So you're gonna have six pack twelve teams 1071 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:26,120 Speaker 1: get into the tournament, probably all within they're all gonna 1072 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,679 Speaker 1: be five seats or above, depending on Arizona State, maybe 1073 01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:34,320 Speaker 1: at six seed, but the five or six and above, 1074 01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,559 Speaker 1: and then you're gonna have five of them in the 1075 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,840 Speaker 1: four seat are above. So if your chances of winning 1076 01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:45,320 Speaker 1: a championship are much much better, much much better than 1077 01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,400 Speaker 1: they have been in Oregon, sitting at number one in 1078 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,720 Speaker 1: the conference at nine and one, tied with Stanford nine 1079 01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,720 Speaker 1: and one, U c l A Tenant eight and two, 1080 01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,400 Speaker 1: Arizona steven in three, Arizona State six and four, and 1081 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:03,400 Speaker 1: or in State six and four. Pretty incredible to see 1082 01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:08,000 Speaker 1: this and it's good to see hometown representation. Thank you 1083 01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,519 Speaker 1: guys though, Thank you guys for listening to the pactual 1084 01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,080 Speaker 1: of apostles. We appreciate your time, appreciate your energy. 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