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Speaker 2: The Man, the Myth, the legend, David Curtis led Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And she was pressing so hard that she just kept

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00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: doinking the rim and it ended up with her running

433
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: to the house crying. So, man, I'm not sure I

434
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 2: handle that correctly. We'll see, but yeah, man, it's it's

435
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: when they want to hang take it in man, because

436
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: it's there's gonna come a point where fifty percent of

437
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 2: the time I'm the good guy and fifty percent of

438
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: the time Hillary is the good guy.

439
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, for sure, I know this for a

440
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: hunting podcast. But yeah, I'm passionate about being a dad,

441
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: and I always tell my kids I'm not here to

442
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: be here friend, I'm here to be here dad.

443
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

444
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I want to be there.

445
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 2: I want to be a friend too. But yeah, friendly,

446
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: but it'll come it comes in waves, comes in waves. Yeah,

447
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 2: that's I mean, it is a hunting podcast, but I

448
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 2: think that's part of its being a dad and a

449
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: lot of guys listen to this, and it's that's a

450
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,719
Speaker 2: huge part of you know, what we're trying to instill

451
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: in our family is is exactly what you were saying

452
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 2: with harvesting and being them being around and you know,

453
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 2: just it's it's cool that my kids don't get all

454
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 2: grossed out when we go, you know, clean a deer

455
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: or anything like that. And honestly, I'd never cleaned or

456
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 2: you know, feel dressed anything and by myself until I

457
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 2: was thirty five or thirty six years old. And I'm like,

458
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen for my kids. Like they're

459
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: you know every time now, Like with the neighbors, I'm like,

460
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 2: when you kill something, let us know where come help.

461
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: And you know, they're not grossed out by any of that,

462
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 2: and they're all up in it. And like when we

463
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: kill something, I'm the first thing I do is I

464
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: go get the kids, and they're out there and just

465
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: being a part of it. So the connection you're saying

466
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: to food and to life and death. There's so many

467
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: just good life lessons there.

468
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then just of course teaching them everything you

469
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: know about hunting and yeah, what it takes to take

470
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: an animal, and you know, do I hope that my

471
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: kids continue to hunt as they age and grow and

472
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: to adults. Yeah, I hope. So eventually they'll have to

473
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 1: decide for themselves. But I'm going to do everything I

474
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 1: can to teach them, you know, some of my my

475
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 1: passions and some of the things that are important to me,

476
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 1: and hopefully that they take heed to that and you know,

477
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: someday do it themselves without me. But you know, I

478
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: can't control all the decisions they're going to make as adults.

479
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm just here as kids to do anything I can

480
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: to teach them, and eventually they have to decide for themselves.

481
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just trying to create people that I want

482
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: to hang out with. That's totally pretty much it. You know,

483
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: I really like hanging out with my kids, and so

484
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, you know, we off off outdoor stuff,

485
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: Like we watched Tigers baseball. Like my eleven year old

486
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: little girl knows seven or eight of the Tigers starters,

487
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: and like, hey, you know who's winning, and oh, the

488
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 2: Yankees and like last night we watched the game, and

489
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: so that stuff's cool to me. And and and then

490
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: also being able to have just multiple facets where we

491
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: interlock and and you know, me and Curtis have talked

492
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: about it, but we've been Me and Lakeland especially watched

493
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: The Chosen together, and that's been a ton of fun

494
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: for her, like to have those types of conversations, faith

495
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: conversations that at eleven years old, I my brain wasn't

496
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: even you know, I was going to church because I

497
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: had to not because you know, it was something like

498
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: Lakeland and the kids will ask to watch The Chosen,

499
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 2: which I think is pretty cool. Yeah.

500
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: One of my daughter's favorite things to do when we

501
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 3: have guests over, his point to the euromount and say

502
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: that's what you're eating. And then she'll have we have

503
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 3: a hunting scrap book, and she'll bring the scrap book

504
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: and show all of the hunting pictures from to the guests.

505
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: And I think it's so funny because they're like, oh, cool,

506
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: Like there, it's very like like you said before, like

507
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: it's a little foreign to them. Well what do you mean?

508
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 3: So we talk about it and it's a natural conversation

509
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: about meat and all that. But I also have had

510
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: the privilege of spending a day hunting with David, Emery,

511
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: Noah and Ali actually your wife. Yeah, I was tagging along.

512
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: We all had I think Ali maybe had a tag

513
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: and then Emery actually ended up shooting a rabbit. And

514
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: that was just a really cool experience just to sit

515
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: back and watch because I think I think I was

516
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: either engaged or about to be married or something like that.

517
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 3: We didn't have kids yet, but it really motivated me

518
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: to just like, I don't know, I'm excited to share

519
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: those moments with my kids and watching because I was David,

520
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 3: Ali and Noah were up ahead of a bit, and

521
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: then it was Emery and I and then Emory saw

522
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 3: the rabbit. So it was kind of like I was

523
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: helping Emory line it up. And then when she actually

524
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: shot it, the amount of joy that she had to

525
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 3: like show her dad that she got something was just

526
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: something that really really lit me up.

527
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: It was cool. Its special.

528
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah do you remember that, David?

529
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: I do?

530
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

531
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, was that when you took your first bull one day?

532
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: Yep, first bull?

533
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: I remember that? Was man. The stories never get old, No, never.

534
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Curtis and Ali we all hunted in groups, in

535
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: separate groups. They spotted a cow that I ended up shooting,

536
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: and then spotted another cow that matt ended up missing

537
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: a couple of times.

538
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, alt here and there. She's not a passionate hunter,

539
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: but she's not against.

540
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: And she took it like a champ that day because

541
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: that was not an easy day on the feet. And

542
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: obviously you still have to be a parent because Noah

543
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: wants to, like, you know, not hold gun the proper way.

544
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: It's pointing at people things like that. And it was like,

545
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 3: I was very impressed with Ali that day too, totally.

546
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Has she harvested anything yet or killed anything yet?

547
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she's taken a few deer. I don't think

548
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: she's taking an LK yet. I'm waiting. I'm waiting to

549
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: try and get her a good bull tag in one

550
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: of my units next door to me, which is not

551
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: quite a trophy unit, but it's up there. And so

552
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: she's just been hunting deer about every two or three years.

553
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: And she took a buck I think two years ago.

554
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: She do another buck take this year close by as well,

555
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: and so her thing as of now with all the kids.

556
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: She likes to hunt, but not to go too far

557
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: from home. So we've been hunting close to units where

558
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: we can go out for a morning and then come

559
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: back home and go out for an evening and come

560
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: back home. So that's been working out. One of the

561
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 1: hardest part is about my fall, is just balancing everything

562
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: that's going on with my stuff and the kids and

563
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: Alley stuff and may him hunt stuff. So yeah, I

564
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: think it's been been working out. Well.

565
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've got to hunt this fall. Speaking of that,

566
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: going to Alaska.

567
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: Yep, Alaska. My first trip up there. It'll be a

568
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: moose river float hunt, about ten days.

569
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: On the river DIY or with Well, you've got to

570
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: have a resident there, right, and is that I forget

571
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: how it'll.

572
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: Be at least me and my buddy. The third guy

573
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: might be backing out. I'm not quite sure yet spot,

574
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: but yeah, that maybe a scot It'll be kind of DIY.

575
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: So it's outfitted, but it's not guided, so they take

576
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: care of all the logistics. They've got the bushplane to

577
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: drop off to pick up. They've got the rafts there,

578
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: the tent and some other gear, but everything else is

579
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: up to us. To make it happen. So we'll be

580
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: on our own for about ten days. We float down

581
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: the river. Still need to do some eat Scotland and

582
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: find some good jaws, find some places to camp for

583
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: a few days before we decide to pick up paddle

584
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: and continue on. And so still have a lot of

585
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: work to do, and it's right around the corner, to

586
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: be honest, But yeah, I'm looking forward to that. That's

587
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: been one of my dreams for years.

588
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: You're going, is it either a weapon.

589
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: It's any method of take. I was pretty set on

590
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: a bow, but I've since switched. It's just not worth

591
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: taking the chance. I don't know when I'll get back

592
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: up there again, so if I do do it again,

593
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: I'll probably do archery. But yeah, I think I'm gonna

594
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: take the old boomstick nice.

595
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I figure when the kids are either gone or

596
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: uninterested in me being gone for a couple of days,

597
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: that's when I'll be able to archery only. But at

598
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: this point, I'm any method of taking. We were talking

599
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: about in Texas where we're on that access hunt, and

600
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: you could get it done if you had a week

601
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: with a bow. I mean, jeff Helm kills them like

602
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: every other hour I think, but uh, you know, I'm

603
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm an equal opportunity killer at this point where it's

604
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: like I would love to kill and I love archery,

605
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: but I would be lying if I've ever been disappointed

606
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: killing anything with the rifle. I'm like, oh, okay, I

607
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: mean I I yeah, I just I like hunting.

608
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: I love shooting my bow. I just like the feeling.

609
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: But I don't do it because it's like harder if

610
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm a better hunter, because technically, you know, the longbow

611
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: hunters will say, we'll do it this way. Oh yeah,

612
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: you know the primitive hunter spear. It's like, well, how

613
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: far back do you want to legal? Then?

614
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: Just legal minus the crossbow in archery season.

615
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's our that's our line.

616
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: That's my cut off. That's my cut off.

617
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: You if you want to do in the dark gun,

618
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 4: you mean the dark dark gun.

619
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: I bought one for the kids. Uh so once again

620
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: the like, I think there are people that could use

621
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: them an archery but uh but man, after I was

622
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: I was against able bodied males using uh crossbows in

623
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: archery season, and then I shot one after I bought

624
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: one for the kids, and now I'm like double against it.

625
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: I mean the first day I took it out and

626
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: I laid prone in my driveway at ninety yards and

627
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: pulled the trigger and the arrow was like it blew

628
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: my mind.

629
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. It's more gun than it.

630
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: Oh, it really is. Yeah.

631
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: So just the idea of just being able to get

632
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: get prone to begin with. That's not an archery thing. No, no, exactly,

633
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: you can't get prone with your bow.

634
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: Have you talked about this on here? You might be

635
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: losing some followers that we have, which time crossbow?

636
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: Oh man, well whatever, bring it up everyone once in

637
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: a while. Yeah, at this point, I lose followers every

638
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: time I open my mouth. So I just you know,

639
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: it is what it is.

640
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: That's it.

641
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: So David talk to me about like, I don't know

642
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: the balance between being in an endurance athlete and then

643
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: like using that endurance and using that training to be

644
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: a hunter, and like the crossover of the two and

645
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: how they kind of work together versus maybe potentially they

646
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: don't work together.

647
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they definitely do. I think as a hunter

648
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: does value really in any kind of fitness. I think

649
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: at the tip of the spear, endurance is probably key

650
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: just because you're on your feet moving all day sometimes days,

651
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, weeks sometimes, But you know, I find extreme

652
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: value in of course the endurance side of things, but

653
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 1: the strangth side of things, you know, even the Mayhem

654
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: Hunt camp we did a couple of weeks ago. You know,

655
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: I haven't been lifting as much as I wanted to,

656
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: and I can feel it just like doing what we

657
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: did and the amount of hiking that we did. I can,

658
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, fill it in my hip flexers and my

659
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: core and some of the things I don't use as much.

660
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: So I find a lot of value in all modalities.

661
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: But you know, for me lately, it's been primarily endurance.

662
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: I kind of bit that I guess, bug bit that

663
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: bug I guess. I don't know. Back in twenty nineteen

664
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: when I first did the Leadville one hundred bike race,

665
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: and I've kind of just been riding that wave ever since.

666
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: I still enjoy doing that, So that's primarily what I do.

667
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: And I do for sure see a direct correlation with

668
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: the endurance side of things and my fitness on the mountain.

669
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: You know, prior to that, I was primarily just lifting

670
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: ways to doing the CrossFit thing and enjoy that and

671
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: definitely how me in the woods. Like I said, both

672
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: are valuable. I think the endurance side of things are

673
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: a little bit more valuable, at least for me anyway.

674
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: And I just you know, I'm in a season in

675
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: my life where I just enjoy riding my bike, you know,

676
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: running a little bit. Ran a lot last year, not

677
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: as much anymore, but I think part of.

678
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: You ran a lot last year.

679
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

680
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think part of the conversation around fitness, in

681
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: particular to hunting is finding something that you could actually

682
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: utilize and enjoy doing. You know, if it's just a

683
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: chore to like the gym, then it's just not fun

684
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: at all, you know. And I still think there's a

685
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: lot of value in just finding that discipline and doing

686
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: it anyway. But at the same time, like you want

687
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: to enjoy doing the things that you're doing.

688
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a couple of times a week you need

689
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: to do something that you don't enjoy, but for the

690
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: most part, it needs to be something that you enjoy.

691
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

692
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: Man, You're you're build too, You're you're an endurance like

693
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: you've kind of found your nick, which I guess you

694
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: would say, like you're an endurance guy, like you're built

695
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: for that and you're really good at it.

696
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know I'm really good at it,

697
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: but I think that I, you know, I've found something

698
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: that I definitely enjoy and I do think i'm you know,

699
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: at least inside the top, you know, ten percent of

700
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: sure of the cyclist or the endurance athletes out there.

701
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: At least that's what the data says. You know, I'm

702
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: the kind of person that goes all in on anything

703
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: I do, and so when I was doing CrossFit, I

704
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: was all in into that and you know, never really there

705
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: was never anything special doing that, you know, did some commps,

706
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: never really get anything outside of that regional or anything.

707
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: But I enjoyed it, and you know, same with endurance.

708
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: I really enjoy doing that, especially when you can compete

709
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: at some of the higher level you know races. You know,

710
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: I've done a few this year and was able to

711
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: podium at the one we did together. I did another

712
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: twenty four hour with another group of guys back in February,

713
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: and I think we were third in that one, maybe fourth.

714
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: And so.

715
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say good enough to be able to be

716
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: in that you know top and you know, being up

717
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: here in the mountains is just kind of inevitable that

718
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: you find a.

719
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: Trail and stay on it one.

720
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: Hundred to be exact. So what is it about endurance

721
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: that you actually enjoy because obviously a lot of endurance

722
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: is not very fun. So, like, I don't know, what

723
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: is it for you that keeps you coming back to

724
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: signing up with these big efforts in big races, a

725
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: big training blocks.

726
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, if it sounds windy, the wind's blowing on

727
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: now we're good. Yeah, But I don't know. I think

728
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that I do enjoy suffering weirdly,

729
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: especially if it's with someone else. So on a race day,

730
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: for sure, there's something about that shared suffering, and obviously

731
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: we share that during hunting season. You know, race day

732
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: is super fun. It's fun to see your progress progress,

733
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: so you know, redoing some of the races you've done

734
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: in the past and if you can improve, you know,

735
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: then cycling, specifically mountain biking, you know, half the time

736
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: you're suffering, but half the time you're just really having

737
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. You know, you suffer going out,

738
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: you get to bomb the stuff going back down, and

739
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of fun. But you know, I

740
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: am the kind of person that's very analytical. So I

741
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: spent a lot of times in the winter training indoors,

742
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: and so that's really not fun at all, but it

743
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: is fun to look at for me anyway, fun to

744
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: look at the numbers and see, Okay, wow, I have

745
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: this power zone for ten minutes. That's the greatest ten

746
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: minute power zone that I've ever held. And so I

747
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: find the little thing to be yeah, break, But I'm

748
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: kind of weird like that. I can work out by myself.

749
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: I don't really need anyone, although it's much more fun

750
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: with others, but I find the joys in those little things.

751
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we joked that. I think we might have told

752
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: that story where the first time we killed that bull,

753
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: we all thought Curtis hated us and he was never

754
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: gonna hunt with us again. And we got back and

755
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: he was like, this was the most fun I've ever

756
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: had on a hunt ever. WHOA Yeah. Yeah, He's just

757
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: a man of few words and get a chuckle out

758
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: of him every once in a while you're like, Okay,

759
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: I'm doing something right. But now that I know you,

760
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, okay, he's enjoying the whole. He enjoys the whole. Process.

761
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: He's just not going to say it, but you know

762
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: we're close enough now that packing.

763
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: Out an animal might be the funnest thing on the planet.

764
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: Something about that. And I was kind of you a

765
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago that, you know, everything leading up

766
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: to that point just straight up sucks.

767
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: It's all, and you're like, why am I doing this?

768
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: Like two hours ago, you didn't see anything. There's not

769
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: an animal on this mountain. Like, I'm ready to go

770
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: home empty.

771
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: I suck this, wasting my family, wasting.

772
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: Matter of a couple hours, you got meat on your

773
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: back and you're having the most fun that you can have.

774
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: That was us. That was us this year. You know,

775
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: like last morning Scott's deathly ill. Me and Curtis just

776
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: kind of go out. We're like, all right, we'll see

777
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: what we can do. We watched this herd for probably

778
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: what hour, hour and a half of just like it

779
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 2: was cool because we're watching these cows and like there's

780
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: these birds on the back of these cows picking bugs off,

781
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: and we're just kind of sitting there and it's cold.

782
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: We're like, ah, we should go get in the sun

783
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: for a second. Curtis turns around one way. He's like

784
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: I smell something. I turn around the back the other way.

785
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: There's a herd about what eight or ten of them,

786
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: and I'm like, bull, legal, bull, give me the m away.

787
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: He sets up the camera dead bull, Like You're just

788
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: within in an instant.

789
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: I mean, we literally had I think we made it

790
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: a goal, like we got to be back to camp

791
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: at what like eleventh there is something for you to

792
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: make your flight. So we're taking down the minutes at

793
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: this point, ready to walk that walk a Shine, which we've.

794
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: Done so many, so many times.

795
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: It's only inevitable here within the next fifteen minutes, it's

796
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: going to be happening.

797
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: And just like that, Just like that, Curtis like, let's

798
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: just go warm up in the sun and check this

799
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: other side. And sure enough, there they were. So all right,

800
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: so I'll give you the how I Met Curtis story. Yeah,

801
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: all right, So we're was that twenty fifteen.

802
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: I want to say twenty fifteen.

803
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: Were we did that CrossFit moto tour?

804
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, yes, and so I remember seeing that.

805
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're just kind of hanging out and we

806
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: stopped in Leadville and uh, Castro actually have the picture

807
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: posted a picture, and we were at Sugar Loaf.

808
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: Campground, yep.

809
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: And we're just kind of hanging out there at you know,

810
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 2: Castro takes his picture, says Leadville, Colorado, like he always

811
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: did whatever. And we're sitting there by the fire, and

812
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: of a sudden, this person walks out of the darkness

813
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: and he's like, hey, I know this is weird. I

814
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: saw in Dave's instagram. You guys were here. He's like

815
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: just a fan wanted to meet you guys. It's literally

816
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: my house is right here, because I think he lived

817
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 2: next door to it at that point, and.

818
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, you finished your story, then I'll tell my story.

819
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: And so then he just brought I think you brought

820
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: a towel pack of cors light, I think, and we're like, hey,

821
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: you know, and we'd all just sat around the fire

822
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: and seriously hung out, which now I know, Curtis is

823
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: the most outside of your like personality that I ever

824
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: thought of. And then that crazy a couple years later,

825
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: you know, didn't really talk to him or see him

826
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: ever again. And then Billings was like, hey, this guy

827
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: saw that we were sleeping in a enclosed trailer and

828
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: Frozer balls off and you know, he makes these and

829
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: he said for some social media he'd make us one.

830
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: I was like sweet. So the Curtis shows up, drives

831
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: it out and he's like, we've met before, and I

832
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 2: was like where and he tells me. I'm like, oh, dude,

833
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: that's crazy. Like most of the time people are like, yeah,

834
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: we've met before, and then they tell me a circle

835
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: stance and we meet a lot of people, but there's

836
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: only one person that kind of walks out of the darkness,

837
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: and so that's that's how we met. Curtis Nice.

838
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, as you mentioned before, I'm not a super

839
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: social person. No, but it was around that time where

840
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: I wanted to start like being more social and so yeah,

841
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: I saw Dave's posts and I'm like, I'm just gonna

842
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: go say hello. I don't even care. And at the

843
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: time living like literally blocks away from there, so I

844
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: might have drove, I might have walked, I don't know,

845
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just showed up and said, hey, just

846
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: wanted to meet you. You're here. I'm probably the only

847
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: person that saw this post that actually knew where you

848
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: guys were. No one knows what Sugar Loaf Campground is,

849
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: and uh, to my surprise, you guys were like I

850
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: just wanted to say hello and shake your hand, but

851
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: I said, hey, join the party. Watch Dan burn some popcorn.

852
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: Oh, Dan did burn popcorn. That's the most dan thing ever,

853
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 2: Old Dingleberry.

854
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: It's the one thing that you can't mess up.

855
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: Just yeah, I can, just I can just picture David.

856
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 3: I look at the sandlot quote, don't.

857
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: Be a goog. Help, don't go talk to him. He

858
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: didn't know it was It wasn't.

859
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: Nansey campers. Not long after that, still doing it a

860
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: little bit, kind of not taking as many orders purposefully,

861
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 1: just because I wanted to spend more time with the kids.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, my daughter's sixteen now, she's only

863
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: got a couple more years left, So still doing it

864
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: on the side, not as much, but yeah, that's kind

865
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: of just my my goal now.

866
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: And the got a spreet sweet sprinter van out of

867
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: the deal, though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the quality of these campers is insult like. The

869
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: attention to detail he brings to it and the work

870
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: he puts in is top.

871
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: Notch for sure.

872
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I still enjoy doing that. The band was

873
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: a blast I was doing. I went from doing a

874
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty for sprinder Van whatever year it is, to

875
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: a nineteen sixty four airstream lamb yard and so yeah, yeah,

876
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Speaker 1: quite the difference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big difference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, remodeling this thing is like, yeah, kind of with

879
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: a headache, but I'm having fun.

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Speaker 2: Cool. Well, Curtis, appreciate you coming on man.

881
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

882
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, So just at ENSI Campers. Is that still the Instagram?

883
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still have ENSI Campers. I got my own handle.

884
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: You can just google it, David Curtis will probably show up.

885
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: Me and my son are planning on starting to rebind Bibles,

886
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Speaker 1: which is I don't think I told you that, no,

887
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Speaker 1: but yeah, I took him to the Museum of the

888
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: Bible and ever since then he's always kind of been

889
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: a Bible nerd too. And I was telling him and

890
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: let's let's find some old Bibles and we buy them.

891
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: Maybe he has some new ones too, So probably gonna

892
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Speaker 1: start that pretty soon. See what happens. That's awesome podcast.

893
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: I was about to say, yeah, you said he sent

894
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Speaker 2: us one. There's two King James from sixteen Yeah.

895
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Speaker 1: I collect a bunch of old Bibles too, And I

896
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Speaker 1: think I was showing you one of the first edition

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Speaker 1: King James Bible sixteen thirteen, so two years after it

898
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Speaker 1: first came out and compared to that to the sixteen

899
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: Await Geneva Bible. But I'm a church history nerd, so

900
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Speaker 1: I primarily collect Bibles throughout the Reformation.

901
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: Period, from the ten Chapters into that book you sent.

902
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we rode our way back from Anniversary.

903
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: I just had a headphone in. Hillary was listening to

904
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: some Dateline podcasts and she said, what do you listen to?

905
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: I was like, you really want to know? She's like, yeah,

906
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: I was like early church history. She was like, you're

907
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: such a nerd. Yeah, it's cool though. Yeah, it is

908
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: very interesting, intriguing, especially with my Catholic slash Protestant both background.

909
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: So it's been interesting. That's it a whole another podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hold conversation Curtis that we're still having.

911
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: About say, Dods is going to get angry here, so

912
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: we got to know that's not true. I'm just kidding.

913
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Speaker 2: It's touching.

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Speaker 1: Still still working on don Yeah yeah, yeah, doing that

915
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Speaker 1: and then racing a little bit, not doing lead Man

916
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Speaker 1: fifty and that's pretty much my year.

917
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Speaker 2: Cool. Well, Curtis, we appreciate you appreciate me.

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Speaker 1: I feel bad not recording out there. I haven't been

919
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: out there. In so long. But life is getting the

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00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: best of me right now. Just so busy.

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Speaker 2: You're good. Hopefully I get that uh uh antelope tag

922
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Speaker 2: and we'll be out there in August.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, oh yeah, yeah, let me know. If not,

924
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: whenever the leed Man document Documentary Jobs people will do

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Speaker 1: a special podcast.

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Speaker 2: Should we will?

927
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: For sure?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

929
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Speaker 1: Sure do that to share some stories about let Man.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can't wait to watch it. I'm fired up.

931
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Speaker 3: I'm fired up and I'm watching Scott. I'm handle that the.

932
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Speaker 2: All right, peace

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Speaker 3: M hm