1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and the North Carolina GOP has centured 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Senator Tom Tillis for supporting LGBTQ rights. 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: We have a really interesting show today. 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Flatformers Casey Newton talks to us about the increasingly bleak 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: outlook for Twitter's financial future. Then we'll talk to las 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: Cheris aired about her run against an anti choice state 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: senator in the Virginia State House. But first we have 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: Washington Post columnist and friend of the pod George Conway. 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, my fan favorite man of 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: the hour and also person who just told me it 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: was just like Donald Trump. 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 3: We'll talk about shit later. 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: This is bullshit, your friend of mine, George Conway, Let's. 16 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 3: Go okay, And you always say nice things about me, 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: but the only reason why you have me on is 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: you couldn't get anyone else. 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: It's not even true. 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: I am like the like, oh shit, we have twenty 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: minutes to fill. No, I'm going to text Conway. 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: I'm telling you it's not true. And in fact, let 23 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: me say. 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 3: Such great guests in the United States, I mean, you're George. 25 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: The thing is, it's hard to find someone who is 26 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: a lawyer, very very smart, entertaining, and also knows all 27 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: the players. 28 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 3: I don't know all the players. 29 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: You wish you didn't know all the players. 30 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 3: I was on CNN the other night and they brought 31 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: in I guess it was Jim Trusty. I had no 32 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: idea who he was. I had to leave, unfortunately, because 33 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: I thought it would have been fun to kind of 34 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 3: parry with him. 35 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 2: But Jim Trusty is now out right, he is now. 36 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: That was the night of the indictment when he was 37 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: still going on TV kind of defending Trump but also 38 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: incriminating him, and then the next morning he and the 39 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: other guy resigned. 40 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: So let's talk about this first federal indictment ever of 41 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: a president. First indictment of a president, right, I mean, 42 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: there is nobody who else has gotten indicted of an 43 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: ex president. 44 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: There's this guy, Donald J. Trump. He got indicted in 45 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 3: New York. 46 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: Right, But I'm saying this is the first federal Yeah, 47 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: first federal Yes, So we had the first state and 48 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: that was. 49 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: Actually Donald Trump beat himself. He's the first and second 50 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: president president, the third and fourth president to be indicted. 51 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: I mean, it's really amazed. He's really just nobody. I mean, sir, 52 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 3: you have, sir with tears in my eyes. I say, sir, 53 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: no one. 54 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: But let's just talk about a second. 55 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: The first indictment was this Alvin Bragg indictment in New 56 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: York State. 57 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: It was a little bit untested, right it was. 58 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of a stormy case. So could 59 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: go you know, it could go either way. They go, yes, 60 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 3: stormy case. It's the stormy yes, but it. 61 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: Also involves Stormy rough Jemy Daniels. It's a New York 62 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: state case that has a sort of federal tentacles, which 63 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: he should have been brought as a would have been 64 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: a better federal case correctly, and there is talk with 65 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: the New York indictment that the first case about inflating 66 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: asset value might have been a better case. 67 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: I am more complicated. It's very complicated. I mean, look, 68 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: the thing about this case, the one that was just 69 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: brought in Florida is I've always said that it represents 70 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 3: the shortest distance between Donald Trump and Orange jumps here 71 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: because it's a factually, I mean, they have a mountain 72 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: of evidence. I mean, the volume of evidence is. 73 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: Forty seven pages photos. 74 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: It's a definitive evidence, so I mean, that's the only 75 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: sort of hard thing that's sorting through all the evidence. 76 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: But it's a very simple story and a very easy 77 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: story to tell. It's like it's almost as easy as 78 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: a nickel and dime drug bust case. The only kind 79 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: of wrinkle, really, the only two wrinkles on it is 80 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 3: that one is well three the amount of evidence it's 81 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: so strong, which is harmful to drump. The second is 82 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: there are classified document procedures that are required to be 83 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: followed in a case like this that make the case 84 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: a little more complex to handle because you can't present 85 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: the classified documents in open court, and the agencies had 86 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: to review the documents to make sure that they're okay 87 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 3: with even the limited use of the documents secretly on 88 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: the court. 89 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: And we still don't know if those documents will be released, 90 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: though the dj is asking for them to be released 91 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: to the jury. 92 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 3: Really so they will. I think the way this is 93 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: going to work is that those documents will be shown 94 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: or described to the jury, but in a manner that 95 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 3: does not reveal them to the public. The jurors as 96 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 3: a matter, because they have to see the evidence. They 97 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: are entitled to see the evidence. They don't need security clearances. 98 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: The judges need of security clearance, but the prosecutors and 99 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: every court official and all the defense lawyers of which 100 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 3: he has none right now need to have security clearances. 101 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: And the third wrinkle is he got lucky on the 102 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 3: draw and drew this judge who kind of helped him 103 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: out the first time around when he brought a frivolous 104 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: lawsuit to try to block the investigation or slow or 105 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 3: he's she is. 106 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: The judge who appointed the Special Master, or Judge Eileen. 107 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 3: Cannon, and then got completely obliterated. 108 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: By the Eleventh Circuit, which is a conservative and. 109 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 3: The chief judge was on Trump shortlist for the Supreme Court. 110 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 3: I mean, he's a great guy. I know him, and 111 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: he's a very conservative judge, and he was Attorney General 112 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: of Alabama and he was a friendly with Jeff Sessions 113 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: on a Sessions ally. He is just he believes in 114 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: the rule of law. And you could see that in 115 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 3: that opinion that completely obliterated Judge Cannon's reasoning and appointing 116 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 3: the Special Master. 117 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: So there is a fantasy out there that Judge Cannon 118 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: could somehow be removed. 119 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: Is there a world in which that happens. 120 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: I think it's a low probability event. I mean it's possible, 121 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: I don't think it's likely. I think there is a 122 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: decent argument for it, because I think the way she 123 00:05:54,200 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: handled the Special Master litigation was sufficiently lawless, as reflects 124 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 3: did by the fact this conservative panel of the Eleventh Circuit. 125 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 3: So I mean they just completely, as I said, just 126 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 3: obliterated her and castigated her, reasoning she was doing something 127 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 3: there that those judges who, despite them being Conservatives or 128 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: Republicans on the Court of Appeals, were doing, which is 129 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: judging she was doing something other than what a federal 130 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 3: judge is supposed to do, and that I think is 131 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: a basis for recusal. That said, it's just I don't 132 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: think she is going to do it, and I'm not 133 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: sure that a Court of Appeals at this point, at 134 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: this stage would force her to do it. I think 135 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: if she did anything remotely resembling what she did in 136 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 3: the prior litigation, then you might see the prosecutors bring 137 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: that if they can, before the Court of Appeals, and 138 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 3: in the course of that ask the Court of Appeals 139 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: in correcting whatever error she may make. In correcting whatever 140 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 3: error she make. They could ask the Court of Appeals 141 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: to reassign the case on remand to it judge. 142 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: But right, but that's miles away. 143 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: That's miles away that I would take a trip to 144 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: Atlanta and back. 145 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: So right now, though Trump is looking for lawyers, can 146 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: you explain to us what's happening there? 147 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean basically, Trump historically and traditionally has gone 148 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: through lots of lawyers and lots of lawyers. Very few 149 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: lawyers actually are dumb or corrupt enough to work for him. 150 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: I mean he had I remember he actually asked me 151 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: for advice and assistance in finding a lawyer for the 152 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: Lawler investigation. And basically most of the lawyers he got 153 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: in touch with refused to represent him. Some very very 154 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: good lawyers and he was able to get a couple 155 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: of okay lawyers to help him. He went through the 156 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: lawyers of the first appeachment, you didn't the second impeachment. 157 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: You had this ragtag team of Bizarro from Bizarro World. 158 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: And then for this investigation he had Alena Haba, the 159 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: parking garage lawyer, where's the Halter tops or whatever? 160 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's great, the one whose friends was rooting. 161 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 3: Well, no, that's the other one. That's Lindsay Halligan. 162 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: Wait, who's the parking That's no, this. 163 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: Is jenn Alena. That's another bad lawyer. Okay, there's jen 164 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: Alice Alina Habba was the one originally handing the Egene 165 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: Carol case and she has offices in Bedminster. 166 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 167 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: And then there's this other woman who's just like out 168 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: of law school. But she oh, yes, very attractive. I 169 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: believe very much Trump's type. And I don't mean that 170 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: in any sexistlay. I just know. 171 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean this is how Trump operates. This is not 172 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: a comment on the women, but I'm Trump no. 173 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 3: Right, and she's got her. And the problem is all 174 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 3: the lawyers are witnesses against it, and this re court 175 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: for digital to Columbia, and before handling the grand jury, 176 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: Supenas ordered these lawyers to test spot because you cannot 177 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 3: use lawyers to conduct a crime or a fraud, and 178 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 3: Trump was doing exactly that, and therefore the privilege dissipates 179 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: the attorney client privilege. So basically, the only lawyers who 180 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: weren't witnesses I think were these two guys who resigned 181 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: the day the indictment was unsealed. So he's got to 182 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 3: find new lawyers. And not only does he needs to 183 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 3: find good lawyers, he really needs to find lawyers with 184 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 3: experience in handling classified document criminal litigation because there's a 185 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: lot of knowledge on the procedures that you need to have. 186 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: And these lawyers also have to have security clearances, right, 187 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: I mean, you can't just go drive out to West 188 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: Palm Beach and find some lawyer who represents parking garages 189 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 3: there and take her into federal court in Miami to 190 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: litigate this case. 191 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: Even if she has the look did the television lawyer? 192 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 3: Look here, she's hot. 193 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: So now he's going to have to find those lawyers. 194 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: And yesterday he gave a speech he was should we 195 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: be surprised at all? 196 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: Defiant? 197 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: He will never be, he will never quit, and he 198 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 3: said something. There was a tweet by a journalist I 199 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 3: respect who said it was breaking news, Trump will not 200 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: with draw even if convicted. And my response to that was, 201 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 3: that's not news. Now we know that we know exactly 202 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: what Donald Trump's going to do. I mean, it's interesting 203 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: that he finally went out and said it, but we 204 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: know he wants to take as many people down with 205 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: him if he has to go down as possible. 206 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 4: Right. 207 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: I was thinking, actually, when I was reading about that 208 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: Georgia rally that he did, the eighty minute speech he 209 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: did last night, I was thinking, to myself. 210 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: A lot of evidence in there. He keeps generating more 211 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: evidence for Jacksmith, right. 212 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: And I was also thinking, to myself, this is exactly 213 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: what George Conway said would happen. You, I said, this 214 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: is exactly what he said would happen. He's going to 215 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: destroy the Republican Party and perhaps the const with it, or. 216 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: Thinks that I've been saying that are going to happen, 217 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: which I hope I'm wrong mostly right. A one which 218 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: I have already right, and I'm glad that I'm right, 219 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: is that he's going to be indicted multiple times. I 220 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: think he's got at least one or two more annintments 221 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: to go. The second is he's going to get the 222 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: nomination anyway. I hope that doesn't happen, but I think 223 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 3: I fear that it will. The third is, and I 224 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: hope it doesn't happen, but he's certainly trying to do it, 225 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: is that he will foment violence. And the fourth is 226 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 3: and I hope this does happen, is that he loses 227 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: the general election, but at great cost to himself, his party, 228 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 3: in possibly the country. So those are my predictions, and 229 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: I hope I'm wrong. As the two, three and four. 230 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: Oh and they also get pre trial release. He's going 231 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 3: to get bail. 232 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, do you yeah? Of course, don't you think? 233 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? So any I mean, I. 234 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: Wanted to ask you about this because I thought there 235 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: was a moment after this indictment drop that felt like 236 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: the moment after January sixth, where I thought, really detailed 237 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: federal indictment. 238 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: Perhaps this is the moment. 239 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: And it did not happen, of course, because Republicans continue 240 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: to offend him. But I was surprised at just how 241 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: so South Dakota enitor Frank Rounds, who you never hear 242 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: from the unprecedented action of indicting in federal court a 243 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: former president who is also a current candidate for president 244 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: cannot be taken lightly as it is inherently political and 245 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: will have a lasting impact on our nation. 246 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: I mean, what the hell is going on here? 247 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 4: Man? 248 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: Like, It's one thing to see a Jim Jordan die 249 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: on this hell, but Frank Rounds. 250 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 3: It's crazy, And I mean, they're basically two approaches that Republicans, 251 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 3: most revolving women taking. One is they were criticizing the 252 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 3: indictment before they even read it, right, And the other 253 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 3: thing is that they're remaining silent. I mean, only very 254 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 3: few people are out there banging the drumas saying this 255 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: is bad and this shows that he's on fifth for office. 256 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: I mean, like Chris Christy a little late in the day, 257 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: but yeah, good for him and Asa Hutchinson. But the 258 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: rest of them are just cowards and they're doing something 259 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: that's very harmful and dangerous the country because they are 260 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: forsaking the rule of law for this one man. They 261 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 3: would not hesitate, and they would be right if they did. 262 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 3: If a Democratic president, if Hillary Clinton had done what 263 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: this guy had done, and they talk about Hillary, but 264 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: Hillary didn't do one one hundred thousand of what happened here. 265 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 3: If some Democrat or liberal had done one fifty of 266 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 3: what Trump has been shown to have done in this indictment, 267 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,599 Speaker 3: with indisputable, irrefutable evidence, they would be calling for basically 268 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: multiple life terms for that person and something they'd be right. 269 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: Right, No, I mean that's a problem. So I want 270 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: to ask you, as we are now in this sort 271 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: of the indictments out. People have read it. It's forty 272 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: seven pages, it has these photos, it's very organized, it 273 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: has a lot of details. Tuesday, he will go into 274 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: the courthouse in Miami. 275 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: He will get he'll be a rained rain. I have 276 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: to plead not guilty. 277 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 5: Sing. 278 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: Heil plead not guilty. 279 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: He'll go in with his lawyers. 280 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 3: Well, if if he has lawyers, he's still got to 281 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 3: find lawyers with security clearances. 282 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 2: Right, because he can't have normal lawyers. 283 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 5: Right. 284 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 3: Well, I guess he could have somebody without a security 285 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: clearance for the initial appearance in the arrangement, but to 286 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: actually defend the case and look at the documents, which 287 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 3: you'd have to do if you're conducting a competent defense, 288 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 3: he's going to have to get somebody who's competent then 289 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: has a security clearance. I don't know if he's going 290 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: to be able to do that. 291 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: So that's sort of where we are. I mean, I'm 292 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: sure he'll be able to do that. I'm sure he'll 293 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: be able to find someone. 294 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: I think probably. I mean, he always managed to pull 295 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: up somebody somewhere. But you got to say he's running 296 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: out of options. He's got to be running out of options. 297 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,239 Speaker 2: And this must also be getting very expensive. 298 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but remember this asshole raised a quarter of a 299 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: billion dollars by lying about January sixth that he can 300 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: use for his legal defense. So a quarter of a 301 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: billion dollars he couldn't possibly spend that one formal defense. 302 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 3: There's nothing, he has no defense, So what's there to 303 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: spend money on? Okay, So then what do you think 304 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: the timetable on this is. It's federal. 305 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: Jack Smith wants it to go quickly, but it could 306 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: it's still probably going to be a year. 307 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 3: Right, Well, Look, a good judge, which we unfortunately it's 308 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 3: not clear that we have, who understands the seriousness of 309 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: the case and would realize that this has to be 310 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: given priority for the sake of the country, for the people, 311 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 3: and even for the defendant, and would give this case priority. 312 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 3: And because of the security issues, you just can't have 313 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 3: this case drag out. And so a good judge, like 314 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: if you had one of these judges in the District 315 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: of Columbia who's familiar with classified document litigation, or in 316 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: the Eastern District of Virginia and very smart type kind 317 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: of judges that you have up there, or like the 318 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 3: judge Egene Carrol had in her case Judge Lewis Kaplan, 319 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: who was just extremely smart and very able and very 320 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: efficient and fast. You can get this case. I think 321 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: the trial in a year or slightly less, right if 322 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: the judge really just dealt quickly with pre trial motions 323 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: and didn't put up with any bullshit and let things 324 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: go up. If there were appeals, let them go up, 325 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 3: and Appeals handles those quickly, which I think they will 326 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 3: do because they did it in connection with the Special 327 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 3: Master litigation where Judge Cannon was basically unceremoniously and brutally 328 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 3: reversed by a conservative panel Eleventh Circuit last year. I 329 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 3: think that this case could be brought to Drash and Guy. 330 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: I think that's the one problem. I think that's the 331 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: biggest problem with the draw of the judge is that 332 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 3: she has that power to slow things down if she 333 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: chooses to exercise it in that way. I don't know 334 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: what she's going to do. I don't really understand her 335 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: thinking and what she did the last time around. I 336 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: mean she has that's where her discretion is maximal. She 337 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: could slow this down. It wouldn't take pretty much because 338 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 3: there's just gonna be a lot of pre trial motions, 339 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 3: and the Trump people are going to do everything they 340 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 3: can to slow it down because that's the only play. 341 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 3: They don't actually have a substance of defense factually legally 342 00:16:59,120 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: upon the merits. 343 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: One last question and then we're out of time. 344 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: Does this make Trump more likely to be the nomine 345 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: I've thought. 346 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: That it might. I don't know that it does, because 347 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 3: I do think there is a Trump fatigue that is 348 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 3: also setting in among Republicans, even along more some of 349 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 3: the diehard Republicans. So I think there are some people 350 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: who are much more optimistic than I am, who think 351 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: that people are going to get tired of this, and 352 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: when they vote in the primaries in New Hampshire and 353 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 3: the caucases in Iowa and the South Carolina primary, they're 354 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 3: going to pull a curtain behind them and pull the 355 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 3: lever for somebody other than Donald Trump. But the problem 356 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: there is you've got so many people running. I don't 357 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 3: think there is anybody with the stature or the credibility 358 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 3: among those people who have been besotted with lies from 359 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 3: Trump and box news now for the better part of 360 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 3: four to six years or more, who are going to 361 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 3: sufficiently get behind one alternative that Trump could be defeated 362 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 3: and Trump could win the nomination well less than fifty 363 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 3: percent of the vote because it's designed to let the 364 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 3: front run or run away with it. So I think 365 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 3: he probably will get the nomination. But I also think, 366 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 3: and as I said, I think he's going to ferment violence. 367 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 3: I do think he's going to do a lot of 368 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: damage to himself and to the Republican Party and to 369 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 3: the country and continuing his question for the presidency. But 370 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: he will continue that question no matter what. Just like 371 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 3: he said yesterday, thank you, Thank you, George Conway. 372 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 2: I really appreciate you. 373 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 3: Always a lot of fun. And call me the next 374 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 3: time you can't find anyone else. 375 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: Would you stop. 376 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: Casey Newton is a reporter, platformer, and co host of 377 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: the podcast hard Fork Welcome back to Fast Politics, Casey 378 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: Newton him, Molly, very excited. 379 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 2: To have you here. 380 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 5: Thanks, excited to be back. 381 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: We're all going to be murdered by AI robots right. 382 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 5: Discuss to be determined, but I think the pace of 383 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 5: development there is definitely cause for concern. 384 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: So explain that to me, because I can't figure out 385 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: if I'm too worried or not worried enough. 386 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 5: I think it's honestly hard to tell. I think what 387 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 5: we know is that these systems are getting better really quickly, 388 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 5: and we don't have a great understanding of how they work. 389 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 5: So we know some things about them, but they are 390 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 5: improving at a rate that has surprised even some of 391 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 5: the people who are working on them. And so the 392 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 5: fear is that they will keep getting better at the 393 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 5: current pace and at some point they'll just kind of 394 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 5: tip over into super intelligence. And if we don't really 395 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 5: understand how they work, we might be at a disadvantage 396 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 5: to them somehow. 397 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, so that they could actually like they could 398 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: actually just kill us. 399 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 5: I mean, they probably wouldn't just start killing us, you know, 400 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 5: I mean instead of like sort of skipping all the 401 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 5: way to that scenario. I think there are some other 402 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 5: others in between, Yeah, Like I mean, for example, we 403 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 5: know these things will be pretty good at spreading misinformation. 404 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 5: You'll be able to simulate an infinite number of propaganda 405 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 5: campaigns and figure out which ones are the best at 406 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 5: influencing a simulated group of people, and then you could 407 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 5: take that sort of winner and use it in the 408 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 5: real world, or another one that keeps a lot of 409 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 5: AI safety experts up at night is what if these 410 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 5: tools get really good at designing bioweapons and then all 411 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 5: of a sudden, anyone with internet access can figure out 412 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 5: how to something like that. So there are a lot 413 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 5: of steps along the road to AI annihilation that don't 414 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 5: even really involve the AI creating killer robots. It's just 415 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 5: about the tools that they will put into the hands 416 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 5: of people. 417 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: Right, No killer robots is always good news, though there's 418 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: certainly a lot to worry about there. I want to 419 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: get to something else in a minute, but I just 420 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: want to for one more second. 421 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: Will AI? 422 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean one of the things, as with my own anxiety, 423 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: is about AI. The writer skills is on strike right now. 424 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: One of the things they do not want is for 425 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: their writing to be used as an AI teacher. I mean, 426 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: how worried should we writers be about You'll notice I 427 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: do not ever say content create. I've completely weaned off 428 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: of calling it content finally, like three years too late. 429 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: But how worried should we be about the idea that 430 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: writing will no longer be. 431 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: A skill that people give a shit about. 432 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 5: I think the writers are right to be worried that 433 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 5: the studios will want to automate more of their labor 434 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 5: ome and to reduce the amount that they have to 435 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 5: pay them. So I think that's a totally valid concern. 436 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 5: It's worth going on strikeover. You know, I would say 437 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 5: respectfully that a lot of Hollywood films are pretty formulaic, 438 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 5: and one thing that AI is good at is looking 439 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 5: at formulas and re creating them. I also suspect, by 440 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 5: the way, that even screenwriters will find that AI is 441 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 5: a valuable thought partner, and they'll say, you know what, 442 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 5: I want to write a romantic comedy, like, give me 443 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 5: fifty ideas for how one might start. So I think 444 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 5: there's potential there for it to be a creative tool. 445 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 5: But to the extent it becomes more useful, I do 446 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 5: think it could lower the price that studios are willing 447 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 5: to pay writers. So I think it's going to be 448 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 5: a really kind of tense fight. 449 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really bad. It's also quite bad. So I 450 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: want to ask you about this piece you wrote, the 451 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: Platforms give Up on twenty twenty lies, what exactly is 452 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: going on here? 453 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: Because it seems really bad. 454 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 5: Yeah. I think it's really bad too. There was this 455 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 5: moment after the twenty twenty election the January sixth attacks, 456 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 5: where the platform said, Okay, election denihilism is providing the 457 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 5: fuel for a violent movement, and for that reason, we're 458 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 5: going to remove election lies. So you can't go on Twitter, 459 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 5: you can't go on Facebook, you can't go on YouTube 460 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 5: and say the twenty twenty election was stolen, And one 461 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 5: by one they all gave up on that policy. Twitter 462 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 5: was the first that actually preceded Elon Musk taking over. 463 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 5: They basically only enforced that policy for about a year 464 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 5: after Joe Biden was inaugurated. Facebook, when they restored Donald 465 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 5: Trump to the platform earlier this year, said that they 466 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 5: were no longer going to remove those lies. I think 467 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 5: because they thought there's no way that Trump will be 468 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 5: able to run for president and use our platform if 469 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 5: we force them to tell the truth about the twenty 470 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 5: twenty election. And then on Friday of last week, YouTube said, 471 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 5: you know what, We're not going to enforce these lies either, 472 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 5: and so Trump is or whoever else is free to 473 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 5: say that the twenty twenty election was stolen. So we've 474 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 5: gone from a world where the platforms were, in my view, 475 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 5: doing the right thing and they're now all doing the 476 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 5: wrong thing. Yeah, why I think there are a couple 477 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 5: of reasons. I think one, this is just a capitulation 478 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 5: to the reality that Republicans lie constantly about the twenty 479 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 5: twenty election. It's essentially, you know what we tech nerds 480 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 5: would call a distributed denial of service attack. Essentially, they 481 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 5: hit you with so many lies that the platforms throw 482 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 5: their hands up and say, well, we're just not going 483 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 5: to enforce this anymore. I also think the Republicans taking 484 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 5: over the House and launching a bunch of bullshit investigations 485 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 5: has scared the platforms because they don't want to have 486 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 5: their executive sitting in the hot seat having to answer 487 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 5: questions about why they're removing twenty twenty election lies. I 488 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 5: think there's probably some feeling there that they think that 489 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 5: the potential for violence has decreased, and so it's just 490 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 5: not as dangerous to lie about twenty twenty as it 491 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 5: used to be. So I think those are some of 492 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 5: the reasons. I just don't really find any of them 493 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 5: very compelling. 494 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: It is so incredibly crazy that they've just made this decision. 495 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: One of the things that strikes me is this RFK 496 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: Junior town we have el on. So, I mean, I 497 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: think that it's important when we talk about this. RFK 498 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: Junior is a creation of Bannon. Right, He's not a 499 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: real Democratic candidate. The goal here is to kind of 500 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: get the left leaning into Penance to abandon Biden. I mean, 501 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: I think Bannon has identified this sweet spot of anti 502 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: vas left leaners who could be lured into this candidate. 503 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: Maybe Elan and that crew very excited to platform him. 504 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: I mean, just talk to me about that. Yeah. 505 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 5: I mean the thing that I have been focused on 506 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 5: with RFK is that if he were any other person, 507 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 5: he would not have access to Instagram certainly, Right. Instagram 508 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 5: doesn't let you show up every day and say vaccines kill. That, 509 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 5: of course, is basically rfk's whole shtick, right, is just 510 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 5: trying to scare people away from getting vaccinated. And in fact, 511 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 5: he did lose his Instagram account in twenty twenty one, 512 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 5: but then he announced he was running for president, and presto, 513 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 5: he's back on the platform. Because if you want to 514 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 5: spread a bunch of obnoxious lies, it turns out there's 515 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 5: a loophole where by running for president, you can get 516 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 5: back on the platform and say whatever you want. So this 517 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 5: is just another I think, really disturbing case of a 518 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 5: platform that had done the right thing that walked it 519 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 5: back out of a desire to platform all the presidential candidates. 520 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: Elon has a sort of group of groupies. They have 521 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: become the Twitter power users. Will you talk a little 522 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: bit about who they are? And they're sort of tech pros, 523 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: but they're actually not really like the primer, they're kind 524 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: of sort of ancillary hangers on too, right. 525 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: Will you discuss? 526 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? 527 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 5: I mean, I think what I have observed is that 528 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 5: once Elon Musk destroyed the old verification system and started 529 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 5: to let people buy their blue checks for eight bucks 530 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 5: a month, a very particular sort of person bought those checks. 531 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 5: It was somebody who was a bit big Elon Musk fan, 532 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 5: somebody who wanted heightened visibility on Twitter, and somebody who 533 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 5: is okay with it transforming into a right wing social 534 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 5: network with essentially no content moderation standards. And so now 535 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 5: if you look at the replies of any tweet, what 536 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 5: you see is a bunch of folks who are mostly 537 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 5: right leaning, who have those paid blue checks, and they 538 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 5: kind of spread their ideology. And so if you look 539 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 5: at any tweet, you're sort of more likely to see 540 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 5: a right wing point of view than you were, you know, 541 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 5: three or six months ago. So I think that's that's 542 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 5: kind of the core dynamic, and it's one of the 543 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 5: reasons that Twitter is falling apart. 544 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: Talk to me about where Twitter is right now with 545 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: advertisers and users, etc. 546 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 5: So advertising revenue is down about fifty nine percent is 547 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 5: the last reporting that we've read on that subject. It 548 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 5: seems kind of low to me, Like, I'd love to 549 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 5: know why forty one percent of advertisers are still there. 550 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 5: That's kind of what we know on the revenue front. 551 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 5: Musk continue to say that the platform is roughly at 552 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 5: a break even rate, but I just kind of don't 553 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 5: believe it. They've lost so much ad revenue. Their subscription 554 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 5: program is not making any significant amount of money, and 555 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 5: it seems like usage of the platform has been in 556 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 5: a sort of gentle decline. So you know, it isn't 557 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 5: as if people have abandoned it entirely, but as it 558 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 5: becomes more of a kind of right wing media network, 559 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 5: it's it's declining in influence and more people on the 560 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 5: left in the middle are just seeking out alternatives. So 561 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 5: it's not totally dead yet, but in terms of like 562 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 5: you know, how quickly can you kill a platform. It's 563 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 5: pretty fast for someone who only bought the thing last October. 564 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: What I think is so interesting about Elon buying Twitter 565 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: was he bought it for the influence, right, because if not, 566 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: you could buy true social and save forty billion or more. 567 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: That is the thing he is killing off, right. 568 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, there's just no doubt that Twitter is 569 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 5: less influential than it used to be. I'm not sure, 570 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 5: honestly how much he cares he I think he loved 571 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 5: it just sort of as a megaphone for himself, and 572 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 5: if the entire platform died around it, that was really 573 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 5: never going to be any skin off his nose because 574 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 5: he would still have his you know, one hundred million 575 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 5: plus followers. I'm not somebody who believes that there was 576 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 5: a that there is a grand plan here. I don't 577 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 5: think there really ever was. 578 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: I think the grand plan is to is that overconfidence 579 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: is a hell of a drug, or like I think 580 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: you're a genius because you you know, you've done some 581 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: smart stuff, or you've been very lucky, depending on you know, 582 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: who's who's describing it. But I don't think there's some 583 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: huge conspiracy here. But this will affect the twenty twenty 584 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: four elections. 585 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 5: Yes, although I think there's still time to build up 586 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 5: other platforms and other media networks, you know, Like I 587 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 5: think that because of how Twitter has declined over the 588 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 5: past six or eight months, already, media attention is starting 589 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 5: to splinter onto other platforms. They're looking at Macedon, They're 590 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 5: looking at Blue Sky. Instagram is going to launch a 591 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 5: kind of Twitter clone. 592 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: When does that happen. 593 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 5: I think it'll be before the election, for sure, so 594 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 5: kind of like keep an eye out for that. But 595 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 5: the media ecosystem is fragmenting again, and Twitter just is 596 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 5: no longer at the center of the conversation. 597 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: Right It does seem like that. I mean, I'm on 598 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: Blue Sky. I like it a lot. I mean I 599 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: think it's good. 600 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 5: It's fun like it. It has a quirky energy to it. 601 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 5: You know, people are actually having fun there, which I 602 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 5: think is almost entirely not true of Twitter anymore. You know, 603 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 5: I don't know that it will be Yeah, I don't 604 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 5: know that that Blue Sky is going to be the 605 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 5: big winner in all this, but it's like fun for 606 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 5: right now, and I'll take it. 607 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: When does Blue Sky sort of open its doors that's 608 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: a good question. 609 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 5: I think they're still trying to figure out some pretty 610 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 5: tough questions around how do you enable content moderation. But 611 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 5: Blue Sky's kind of a weird company. It was always 612 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 5: intended to be kind of a proto type that, like 613 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 5: other developers would come in and build their own clients for. 614 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 5: But people were so ready for an alternative because Twitter 615 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 5: is in decline that it blew up pretty quick. So 616 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 5: they're trying to figure out I think, Okay, how do 617 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 5: we actually let millions of people in this thing without 618 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 5: it all falling apart? 619 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's a really good question. 620 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: I do wonder like it's so funny because for such 621 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: a long time I always thought of Zuckerberg as the 622 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: big villain in the social media space because of the 623 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: genocide that was organized on Facebook and the anti vax 624 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: stuff and all of the many ways in which Facebook 625 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: had done had sort of allowed terrible things and perhaps 626 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: was a platform for terrible things to take place. But 627 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: Elon has really made him look good. 628 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, you know, at the end of the day, 629 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 5: Facebook slash Meta is a pretty normal company. They have 630 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 5: content standards, they try to enforce them, They make tons 631 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 5: of mistakes and we should talk about those, but like 632 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 5: they'd make generally a good faith effort to keep terrible 633 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 5: stuff off the platform. And then Elon Must came along 634 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 5: and just didn't really care about any of that stuff 635 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 5: at all. And so yes, by comparison, the Facebook crew 636 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 5: looks great. 637 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: I was with. 638 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: Someone really smart the other day who said the only 639 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: way because I've heard a lot of stupid people say this, 640 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: so but I heard someone smart say this, So then 641 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: I thought, maybe this is actually a good idea, that 642 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: the only way to regulate social media. And again, these 643 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: social media companies have really skirted regulation, maybe for any 644 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: number of reasons, was to repeal section two thirty. I mean, 645 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: is that a really stupid idea? 646 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: Again? And can you do a two seconds on what 647 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: section two thirty is? 648 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, So Section two thirty is the law that prevents 649 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 5: platforms in most cases from being held liable for what 650 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 5: their users post. So if I defame Molly on Facebook, 651 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 5: Molly can't see Facebook. She can only sue me. So 652 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 5: that's section two thirty. Your question was who is doing what. 653 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 2: To get rid of section two thirty, So basically that 654 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: they should repeal section two thirty and get rid of 655 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: it and remove the protections the Internet companies have for 656 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 2: the sort of platform protections and make them like a publisher. 657 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 658 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 5: No, I hate this idea so much. So here's what 659 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 5: happens when you do that. Okay, what happens when you 660 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 5: do that is nobody can publish anything, right, because they're 661 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 5: so terrified that they will be sued that if you 662 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 5: are a queer person, a person of color, you want 663 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 5: to challenge the power structure in any way you want 664 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 5: to flirt with saying anything that comes close to breaking 665 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 5: the law gets removed automatically. So like if you want 666 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 5: to repeal section two thirty, you are asking the platforms 667 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 5: to radically increase their level of censorship to the detriment 668 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 5: of social justice movements. 669 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: So how do you solve a problem like the platform 670 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: feels it has no responsibility for what is published on 671 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: it or has no skin in the game. 672 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 5: Right, I'm in favor of a few things. One mandating transparency. 673 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 5: They have to tell us what kind of content they're removing. 674 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 5: Maybe you mandate that they look for hate speech and 675 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 5: report it. Anything that sort of requires them to look 676 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 5: for stuff and tell us what they found. I'm generally 677 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 5: in favor of I think there's also some interesting ideas 678 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 5: around like, are we really worried that people are posting 679 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 5: things that are offensive or are we worried that millions 680 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 5: of people are seeing them? 681 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 3: Right? 682 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 5: So, do you want to maybe require that any post 683 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 5: over a certain number of views gets viewed by a 684 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 5: human within a certain amount of time to determine whether 685 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 5: it's still on the platform something like that. So I 686 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 5: tend to favor the those kinds of solutions over more 687 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 5: draconian stuff. You know, I just accept at the end 688 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 5: of the day that if you want people to be 689 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 5: able to talk about social issues and politics, like, there 690 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 5: is just going to be a lot of stuff that 691 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 5: you don't like. So, you know, I just accept that 692 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 5: I'm going to see a lot of stuff that I 693 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 5: don't like on social networks. And I'm nervous about letting 694 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 5: the government come in and regulating that because once you 695 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 5: sort of open up that door, a lot of other 696 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 5: terrible things happen. But I do think that there is 697 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 5: stuff that can be done around sort of how many 698 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 5: people see those posts and what platforms tell us about it. 699 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 5: And then the third thing I would say is let 700 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 5: researcher study this stuff right, Like mandate researcher is being 701 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 5: able to get access to internal systems that let us 702 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 5: see how posts are being ranked and what content is 703 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 5: being viewed and that sort of thing. 704 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: Is Elon Musk a liar or is he just like 705 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: kind of aspirational in his truths? And the case and 706 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: point I want to say is like he tweeted that 707 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: like they'll be if there are ads at your replies, 708 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: you'll make money. He's releasing the algorithm for transparency. I mean, 709 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: did he release the algorithm? And I mean it seems 710 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: to me like he makes a lot of promises that 711 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: aren't really true discuss I mean, I'm not inside the 712 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 1: guy's head, so it's hard to say. 713 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 5: But like, has he said many many, many many things 714 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 5: that have turned out not to be true? Yes, Like 715 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 5: I apply basically a ninety percent discount right to everything 716 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 5: he says, you know, in my own newsletter. Like if 717 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 5: he says something like we're gonna start paying out creators, 718 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 5: you know, based on ads and their replies, I don't 719 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 5: even put it in my newsletter because my feeling is 720 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 5: until it starts happening, I have no reason to believe 721 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 5: that it's true. I don't assume anything he says is true. 722 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: I'll say that it's like the Donald Trump school of truth, 723 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: very much truth thing. And then the one last question 724 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: was their algorithmic transparency when. 725 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 5: They publish their like open source algorithm. 726 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 727 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 5: My understanding, you know, based on our conversations with Twitter engineers, 728 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 5: was that they did reveal some of their code, but 729 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 5: it is not truly a glimpse all the way inside 730 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 5: their systems. There are a lot of things that they 731 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 5: left out that you would probably want to know if 732 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 5: you wanted to fully understand how their algorithm works. So 733 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 5: you know, in practice, I don't think it's a bad 734 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 5: thing to release part of the algorithm. I think it's 735 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 5: probably good to let outsiders understand how ranking systems work. 736 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 5: But in terms of I think what was promised it 737 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 5: fell short of that. 738 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. I hope you'll 739 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: come back. 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Welcome to Fast Politics, La Cherise Aired. 756 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. 757 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to our conversation. 758 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 2: So tell me what you're running for. 759 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm running for Senate District thirteen down in Virginia 760 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 4: and a highly competitive Democratic primary against the last anti 761 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 4: choice senator here in Virginia. 762 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: Okay, so now this is for the Virginia House of Delegates. 763 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: Explain to our listener a little bit about what the 764 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: Virginia House of Delegates is. I have actually been there 765 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: because I have history buff children. But it's very interesting, 766 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: but it's also important part of Virginia politics. 767 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 2: So I am actually running for Virginia Senates. But I did. Oh, 768 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 2: you were in the House of Delegate. 769 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 4: I was in the Virginia House of Delegates, but I'm 770 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,959 Speaker 4: running for the Virginia Senate now. 771 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 2: And in Virginia. 772 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 4: The House of Delegates is the equivalent to your two 773 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 4: term representative body, and your Senate is your four term 774 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 4: or year I should say, representative body to make up 775 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 4: our the entirety of our general Assembly. 776 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: So now explain to me who you're running against and 777 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: a little bit about who that candidate is. 778 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 4: So there's a lot you could say about my opponent's 779 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 4: Joe Morrissey. 780 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 2: I will leave the but he is a Democrat, but 781 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 2: he's anti choice. 782 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 4: He is a Democrat, but he is anti choice, and 783 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 4: I would say questionable on many of us our democratic values. 784 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 2: But that alone has made for me to. 785 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 4: Really fight hard back against his candidacy, especially in this 786 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 4: moment when thinking about number one, the integrity and decency 787 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 4: we should want from our elected leaders. But furthermore, while 788 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 4: we are battling to hold on to the rights that 789 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 4: we have here in Virginia, his stance is just unacceptable. 790 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,720 Speaker 1: It is so interesting that there are still anti Chruois demos. 791 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 2: I was like, that's a very narrow lane. I hope 792 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 2: it's the last of a dying greed. 793 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially in a state like Virginia, where it's 794 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: such an important state for any number of reasons, it's 795 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: so evenly divided, you have a really problematic governor. I mean, yes, yes, 796 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: all of the above, So talk to me about those issues. 797 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. 798 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 4: I mean it was very unfortunate that we had a 799 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 4: trifecta in Virginia between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one. 800 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 4: And when I was in office during that period of time, 801 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 4: we passed so many incredible progressive policies to really undo 802 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 4: a decade or more long of Republican rule, to just 803 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 4: bring us to a state of normalcy, to protect families 804 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 4: and workers and our environments. And at that time there 805 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 4: were social unrest, so criminal justice reform, and I think 806 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 4: we got a little comfortable. We felt like we had 807 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 4: checked all of these boxes and we were cruising. We 808 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 4: were now a blue state will come along. Glenn Youonkin 809 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 4: in his red vest spewing sort of a moderate approached 810 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 4: in his gubernatorial race, and I think that he moved 811 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,760 Speaker 4: a lot of people, especially in a post Trump error, 812 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 4: But it didn't take long for him to get into 813 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 4: office and undo many of those great policies that we move. 814 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 2: Forward, and so now we have to fight back. 815 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 4: We were comfortable, and now it's time for us to 816 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 4: get back in the game, get through this next general 817 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 4: election where we're fighting to take back the House and 818 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 4: take back the Senate, and for me in particular, to 819 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 4: fight in a blue district where you have someone who 820 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 4: is anti a lot of democratic values and make sure 821 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 4: that in two more years from now we take back 822 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 4: the governor's mansion. 823 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of what Youngkin has done 824 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: in Virginia. 825 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 2: Let's start with yesterday, great perfect So. 826 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 4: This week alone, we are talking about the fact that 827 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 4: we have clouds that are orange in New York, even 828 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 4: down here in Virginia, you have low air quality alerts 829 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 4: around the commonwealth, and you have a governor who is 830 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,720 Speaker 4: pulling Virginia out of Reggie. 831 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 2: Let's explain what Reggie is. 832 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 4: So Reggie is a policy, one of those amazing policies 833 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 4: that we ourselves into the come both added ourselves into 834 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 4: again while we have the majority, and it's all about 835 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 4: trying to make sure that we're cutting regional greenhouse gases. 836 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 4: So Reggie is original greenhouse gas initiative and it's basically 837 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,839 Speaker 4: one of those efforts to say, if we're going to 838 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 4: truly combat what we are experiencing from climate change, this 839 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 4: initiative lays out several. 840 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 2: Metrics and approaches to take to do so. 841 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 4: And to think that we have a governor who's going 842 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 4: to now pull us out of that initiative and pretend 843 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 4: like global warming, climate change is not real, Virginia is 844 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 4: not being affected. 845 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 2: On a day where we are literally tixo. 846 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 4: Theoriating the impacts all these things, it's pretty unbelievable. 847 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I have to say we got it 848 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: first in New York, and I had never The New 849 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 1: York Post, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, a very 850 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: far right tabloid, was like, blame Canada. But you don't 851 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: blame I mean, this is climate change is not Canada. 852 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, there's a fire there, but climate change 853 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: made this possible. 854 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 2: We never live like. 855 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 4: This exactly exactly, And so I mean, I think that 856 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 4: is the difference between this man who ran as a 857 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 4: moderate what has come into office and truly been another 858 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 4: maga Republican. 859 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. 860 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,360 Speaker 1: I have to say I've been really surprised at how 861 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,359 Speaker 1: he has really tacked to the right, even more than 862 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: I thought he would. 863 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,359 Speaker 4: Yes, no, I'm not surprised at all. I think as 864 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,240 Speaker 4: you started out saying, Virginia is very much a state 865 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 4: that has trended blue and or purplish in the past, 866 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 4: and he knew in order to be successful he had 867 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 4: to run in that way. But now Virginia is suffering 868 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 4: because of his presidential ambitions and design to compete against 869 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 4: a Trump and a Desantus, and so it's been quite dangerous. 870 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that. 871 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: And it's so funny because it's not funny, but it's 872 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: so odd because that's what's happening in Florida. I mean, 873 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: you have all these states, even Texas, where you have 874 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: these governors who really believe that the more they radicalize 875 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: their state and turn them into many hungaries, the more 876 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: this will serve them. 877 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 4: And just to bring it back to my opponent, it's 878 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 4: been very clear watching this guy and seeing him align 879 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:36,800 Speaker 4: himself with Yonkin and on issues regarding education in this district, 880 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 4: public schools are really important. Yankin has this desire to 881 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 4: put lab schools all over the place. On environmental issues, 882 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 4: on choice in particular, Yonkin has finally come on record 883 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 4: saying that he would be in support of putting a 884 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 4: abortion ban in place in Virginia, and my opponent has 885 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 4: on record publicly stated he would work with Yonkin to 886 00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 4: put that band in place. 887 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: And so I was at a Democrat as a Democrat exactly. 888 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 4: So we have to get to a place where that 889 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,959 Speaker 4: is unacceptable. We have to get to a place where 890 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 4: we're not going to settle for these Democrats in name 891 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 4: only that are doing harm to our communities, especially in 892 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 4: Democratic districts. 893 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is just incredible. 894 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so shocking to may tell me about 895 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: what your race looks like, and what you need and 896 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: when is your primary, et cetera, et cetera. 897 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 4: We are trying to make sure every voter in this 898 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 4: Democratic district is both aware of this election that takes 899 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 4: place on June the twentieth, that they are aware that 900 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 4: they can vote early. Fortunately, we have those great voting 901 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,800 Speaker 4: laws here in Virginia that we are working to hold 902 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 4: on to, but they can vote early up until June 903 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 4: the seventeenth. But also that there is no way we 904 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,439 Speaker 4: need to keep someone in power like Joe Morrissey, who 905 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 4: is proving you won't stand up for our rights, who 906 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 4: has proven that he will side with Republicans when it's 907 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 4: a convenient for him, and quite frankly, we won't get 908 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 4: into the personal life, but frankly, his personal life is 909 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 4: disqualifying of him being in a position of power altogether. 910 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 4: And so we are organizing, we are knocking on doors, 911 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,880 Speaker 4: we are making phone calls, and we would love to have. 912 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,760 Speaker 2: Any additional support to do those things. 913 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: So this is a safe blue seed, and the competition 914 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: really happens at the primary level here. 915 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,760 Speaker 4: Absolutely, this race, this Democratic primary, is the race. 916 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:33,479 Speaker 2: Right. 917 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,480 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, why do you think that 918 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: he's sort of did he has? 919 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 2: He just been in the seat for such a long time. 920 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 4: Well, he has been in office, quite frankly, longer than 921 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,280 Speaker 4: I've been alive in some form or another. 922 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 2: So there is that. 923 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 4: But I will say for most readers or most of 924 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,240 Speaker 4: your listeners that are just baffled by this all together, 925 00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 4: you have to go all the way back to his 926 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 4: time as an attorney, where he had a reputation of 927 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,320 Speaker 4: being that attorney to get I don't want to say criminals, 928 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 4: but I will say those who were facing challenging cases 929 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 4: off and that made him very popular, that made him 930 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,760 Speaker 4: grow a brand that was the only thing people knew, 931 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 4: So they never looked at his legislative record. They never 932 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,400 Speaker 4: looked at what he was doing while he was in 933 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 4: the House or in the Senate. 934 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 2: But now that we have gone. 935 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,879 Speaker 4: To look and saw just how in effective he has 936 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 4: been and how out of sync with democratic values he 937 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 4: has been, we're calling it out every step of the way. 938 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, And I want to ask to you 939 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,320 Speaker 1: how important is it on the state level. 940 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 2: What can you guys do at the state level to 941 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 2: protect choice? 942 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 4: I mean, we are the last stop. I mean it starts, 943 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 4: it ends with legislators. So right now, Virginia passed the 944 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 4: Reproductive Health Care Act. Shout out to Congresswoman Jennifer McClellan 945 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 4: during her time in the Senate for leading part of 946 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 4: that effort. But that is the law of the land 947 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 4: in Virginia right now. Prior to that, we did not 948 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 4: have that access here in Virginia, and so it is 949 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 4: only because of legislation paths at the state level that 950 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 4: we still have that protection in place. In twenty twenty three, 951 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 4: we try to cement that protection into our constitution and 952 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 4: take a while, guest, my opponent was the deciding vote 953 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 4: and decided to take a walk, and that is the 954 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,359 Speaker 4: only reason we don't have that permanent protection in our 955 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 4: constitution right now. So these seats are critical, These seats 956 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 4: are very important. And what's happening at the state level 957 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 4: is becoming far more critical because of an action at 958 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,920 Speaker 4: the federal level and because of what we see happening 959 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 4: among the Supreme Court undoing some of the protections that 960 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,120 Speaker 4: we've long had in place. And so the last stop 961 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 4: really is coming down to our state legislatures. 962 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 2: Wow, wow, wow, so important. And I mean I'm sure 963 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,760 Speaker 2: the state legislature stuff is happening all over the country. 964 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 2: So your election is actually in eight days, a little 965 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 2: more than a week. 966 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, So in eight days, all of those olders and 967 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 4: seidate District thirteen here in Virginia will head to the 968 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 4: polls for Democratic Primary Day. And I am looking forward 969 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,000 Speaker 4: to getting excited and fire up about protecting both abortion 970 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 4: rights and much more here in this race. 971 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,120 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, no, thank you so much. 972 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,040 Speaker 4: And if there's anyone who'd like to find out more 973 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,320 Speaker 4: additional information about our race and how to get involved, 974 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,360 Speaker 4: they can find me at lacharisair dot com and on 975 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 4: every social media network. 976 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,240 Speaker 3: No moment fut. 977 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 5: Jesse Cannon, Miley, Jong Fest, Everyone's favorite corrupt wrestling coach, 978 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 5: Jim Jordan. 979 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,320 Speaker 2: He's twisted himself into a pretzel like not these days, 980 00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:58,880 Speaker 2: which I know is common and wrestling. 981 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan was on Dana Bash's show today. I'm a 982 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: big fan of Dana Bash. He defended the indefens of 983 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: all again and again and again, and it was pretty incredible. 984 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 1: And at one point she was trying to make the 985 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: case that if you wanted to lock up Hillary Clinton, 986 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,280 Speaker 1: then you probably would want to lock up Donald Trump 987 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: because of Donald Trump's huge quantity of classified documents hidden 988 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 1: in his bathroom. 989 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 2: And in the mar Lago ballroom. 990 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:36,520 Speaker 1: But instead, Jim Jordan said, it's totally different because Trump 991 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: was president and Hillary Clinton was the Secretary of State. 992 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,720 Speaker 1: And for that false equivalency, Jim Jordan gets our moment 993 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,160 Speaker 1: of fuck Ray. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 994 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,439 Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to hear the 995 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 1: best minds in politics makes sense of all this chaos. 996 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed what you've heard, please please send it 997 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: to a friend and keep the conversation going. And again, 998 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:04,840 Speaker 1: thanks for listening.