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Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. Today

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Speaker 1: is Wednesday, April twenty feet, j P, Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,

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Speaker 1: John Osier. Plenty coming up, including one Trevor Lawrence ending

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Speaker 1: any speculation with a tweet the NFL p A statements

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Speaker 1: on behalf of most NFL teams, but not one that

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Speaker 1: we're affiliated with, and Trent Bulky talks the Jaguars GM

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Speaker 1: spoke with the media this week ahead of the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: We'll get a social media question or two as well.

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Osan joining me now, Bucky in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: We're about a week away. Thank goodness, let's just get

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Speaker 1: this thing going. Man. It's so excited, just so excited

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Speaker 1: to see how everything turns out. Obviously, we're assuming that

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is going to be the number one, but

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Speaker 1: it's the rest, the red of the squad, just making

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Speaker 1: sure we get enough blue chip players because j P.

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Speaker 1: John it it takes tendteel blue chip players for you

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Speaker 1: to make sure that we stocked probably kind of up

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Speaker 1: to Andy when it comes to those stars, Yeah, better

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Speaker 1: have one. I mean, this Trevor kid better be the

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Speaker 1: real deal. If not, here's the thing. I get it

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Speaker 1: for the good of the franchise, but I will feel

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Speaker 1: if you're talking about it for four months to build up,

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Speaker 1: I'd almost feel personally cheated if he's not good and

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Speaker 1: it's all about John it's I know, I know, I'm

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Speaker 1: learning the situations like this before. I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: every number one overall quarterback is talked like this and assumed.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, this is one of the surest bets

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Speaker 1: So the draft is a percentage games. So the percentage

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Speaker 1: As always. Let's continue the conversation here on the Huddle

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Speaker 1: Up Podcast about Trevor Lawrence. He well, if there was

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Speaker 1: any speculation, which there really wasn't. Well, he kind of

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Speaker 1: ended it on Sunday with a tweet of his own.

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Speaker 1: There was a Sports Illustrated article that came out and

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Speaker 1: pundits went the wrong way with them, and he quickly

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Speaker 1: came back out and reaffirmed what he said and was

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Speaker 1: fine with it. And then he thanked the Jaguars fans

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Speaker 1: and a tweet on Sunday he said, we really appreciate

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Speaker 1: the wedding gifts and donations for the charities of our choice.

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Speaker 1: In addition to the donations, Marissa and I will also

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Speaker 1: be donating twenty dollars to charities in Jacksonville. Thanks again.

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Speaker 1: We hope to be a part of your community soon.

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Speaker 1: And that was the end of the tweet. I think

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Speaker 1: they are excited to be here, Bucky, which national a

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Speaker 1: lot of national media types won't even believe. I think

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Speaker 1: this is the perfect marriage in terms of not only

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Speaker 1: He embraced it when he was at high school in Clarksville, Cartersville.

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Speaker 1: He embraced it when he was at Clemson, and he's

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Speaker 1: I think we already see that he has a level

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Speaker 1: I think it was you a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 1: And I think you touched on something, John, that's kind

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Speaker 1: to underestimate. But let's just follow the bird the crumbs, right,

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Speaker 1: So I would say the bird stuffs the crumbs. This

429
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Speaker 1: is what it probably means as I'm looking at it.

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Speaker 1: Big school players, brand name players, meaning guys that the

431
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Speaker 1: big schools that we talked about and celebrate, Alabama's Ohio

432
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Speaker 1: States to Clemson, those guys, because when you think about

433
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Speaker 1: what Urban was exposed to, he was exposed to those.

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Speaker 1: He he wasn't going to some of the Mountain West

435
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Speaker 1: schools and some of the Conference USA. School is not

436
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Speaker 1: saying that players can't come from there, but I think

437
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Speaker 1: it would be more of a warm buffet approach to

438
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Speaker 1: the draft. Brand names, things that you're familiar with, that

439
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Speaker 1: you know about um because he's an old coach, You're

440
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Speaker 1: gonna think about guys that are four and five stars

441
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Speaker 1: that were on his recruiting list that he saw those

442
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Speaker 1: recognizable names. Because when you're recruiting at Ohier State, you're

443
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Speaker 1: recruiting the best of the best. It's not like you're,

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Speaker 1: oh Ay, let me find a one or two star

445
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Speaker 1: and develop them. I want the best of the best.

446
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Speaker 1: Give me the best players. We're gonna take them, We're

447
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Speaker 1: gonna max them out and get them going. I would

448
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Speaker 1: think in his first draft when they're talking about guys,

449
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Speaker 1: he is really going to push brand name players that

450
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Speaker 1: we've seen and recognized from TV and those things, because

451
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Speaker 1: that's the world that he that he comes from, and

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Speaker 1: Bucky would he also be I would think very uh

453
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Speaker 1: production conscious, meaning he saw it happen and as opposed

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Speaker 1: to looking for sleepers, which I guess that ties into

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Speaker 1: what you're saying, but uh yeah, I would think that

456
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Speaker 1: high production on the college level would perhaps dazzle him

457
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Speaker 1: more than not absolutely. And I think that's the thing.

458
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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see more because scouting and drafting

459
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Speaker 1: can be two categories projection versus production, and I think

460
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Speaker 1: for urban coming from the college thing, I think it's

461
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Speaker 1: going to be more production base. I need to see

462
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Speaker 1: it before I can believe it. I need to see

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Speaker 1: you dominate before I can say that you're going to

464
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Speaker 1: be a dominant player. I don't want to just see

465
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Speaker 1: your measurables and say, oh, you did this in the

466
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Speaker 1: forty and three cone and you have these dimensions and

467
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Speaker 1: oh you're gonna go this way. He wants to see it,

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Speaker 1: and I think if we go back and it'll be

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Speaker 1: interesting to do, maybe I'll do it before we get

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Speaker 1: on the next But let's go back and look at

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Speaker 1: his recruiting list and see the kind of guys that

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Speaker 1: he took at Florida and Ohio State, and how many

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Speaker 1: of those guys were projected, Hey, I'm gonna take a

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Speaker 1: three star and then he's gonna play. Well, it was

475
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Speaker 1: Percy Harving a three star, four star, five star when

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Speaker 1: he got him. When he took Ezekiel Elliott and all

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Speaker 1: those other guys in Ohio State. How did those guys

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Speaker 1: rank on those recruiting lists. Because I don't think we're

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Speaker 1: gonna find many of those quote unquote hidden gems that

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Speaker 1: he's trying to do. I think it's already hard enough

481
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Speaker 1: to build a team. It's really hard to build a

482
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Speaker 1: team where you're also trying to develop guys that you

483
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Speaker 1: just don't know if they even can play in the league.

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Speaker 1: Let's good to our next Trenton bunky Bike from the

485
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Speaker 1: ozone podcasts. You know there's five picks in the top

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Speaker 1: sixty five for the Jaguars this year. Is it a

487
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Speaker 1: good year for that? Was the question? Trip Baucky says, Well, yeah,

488
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Speaker 1: it's always good to be at the top of the draft.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like every other draft. There's there's positions

490
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Speaker 1: that are top heavy. Uh, there's positions that are bottom heavy.

491
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Speaker 1: There's positions that have guys that all the way throughout

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Speaker 1: the draft that you feel good about where where they

493
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Speaker 1: are for the value. Uh. So I don't think it's

494
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Speaker 1: any different than any other drafts that we've been a

495
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Speaker 1: part of. But yet the positional value has has changed

496
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Speaker 1: a little bit in some respects. You know, you look

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Speaker 1: at the tight end position, for instance, you know there

498
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Speaker 1: aren't as many tight ends as there used to be, uh,

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Speaker 1: at least in this given year. So when you look

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Speaker 1: at each position, uh, we feel good about where we've

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Speaker 1: got players valued. We feel good that within the first

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Speaker 1: sixty five we can come out of this thing with

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Speaker 1: five starters. And that's what you hope to do. If

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Speaker 1: you get a chance to take a swing at the

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Speaker 1: top sixty five players in the draft AFT and you

506
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Speaker 1: got to get to have five of those guys, you

507
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Speaker 1: should hope you can come away with with with five starters.

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Speaker 1: And what I meant by that, of course, before the

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Speaker 1: bite was it's it's nice to have a lot of

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Speaker 1: picks at the top of the draft. That doesn't mean

511
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Speaker 1: you've performed so well the year before most likely, but

512
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Speaker 1: there's they're in the position now John to get some

513
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Speaker 1: difference making players, guys that can really set a foundation

514
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Speaker 1: for the organization. A lot of starting football players can

515
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Speaker 1: come out of this. You no question, and he did

516
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Speaker 1: say that, uh, every draft is different and talked some

517
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Speaker 1: He didn't go into much detail on this because you

518
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Speaker 1: don't want to give away your hand, but it was

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Speaker 1: interesting tight end for example, said not as many great

520
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Speaker 1: tight ends in this draft as there are are in some drafts,

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Speaker 1: So you wonder where that's going to affect value on

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Speaker 1: that position. So it will be interesting maybe after the

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Speaker 1: draft to get his full insight into Okay, what positions

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Speaker 1: did you feel like you had to go after early

525
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Speaker 1: because you didn't feel like you were going to be

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Speaker 1: able to get him light He did not hint at

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Speaker 1: this at all, But you wonder with a position such

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Speaker 1: as wide receiver for example, where it's supposedly very very deep. Again,

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Speaker 1: if that doesn't force you to go after a different

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Speaker 1: position early knowing you could get a very good wide

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Speaker 1: receiver later. Certainly that's part of their pre draft planning,

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Speaker 1: you know, Bucky, I'm curious you followed GM's histories more

533
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Speaker 1: than a lot of people do because you study the

534
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Speaker 1: draft so much. Is that something that Trent does look

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Speaker 1: at specific positions early, take them thinking that you can

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Speaker 1: get value somewhere else in the draft in another position. Yeah, John,

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Speaker 1: that's a good observation and point that you're bringing up.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things that you have to assess

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00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: every year when you're dealing with the draft. You have

540
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Speaker 1: to be able to look at where is the draft

541
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Speaker 1: strong and deep and where is it very shallow? And

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Speaker 1: if we're thinking about impact players, that could lead you

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Speaker 1: to take a position that isn't as deep, take that

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Speaker 1: early so you can get the best of that and

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Speaker 1: then come back and circle around and get another position

546
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Speaker 1: that is maybe plentiful later on. And so if we

547
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Speaker 1: think about coming away with five impact players and those picks,

548
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: you have to assess, Okay, what what do we need

549
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Speaker 1: to get? And so if we talk about the tight

550
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Speaker 1: end position, that might mean taking a tight end before

551
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: others will say we need to take a tight end. Now.

552
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: The players talent and projection needs to match up with

553
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: where we're selecting him, meaning, hey, this guy is gonna

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Speaker 1: be an impact player worthy of being taken in the

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Speaker 1: second round. But a maybe with that first pick in

556
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Speaker 1: the second round, maybe we grab the tight end now

557
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Speaker 1: and come back and get We'll just throw this out

558
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Speaker 1: there are running back a little later in the second round.

559
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: Or maybe we go and attack the defensive tackle need

560
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Speaker 1: at the top of the second round, or maybe we

561
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Speaker 1: attack it at the bottom of the first round. You know,

562
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Speaker 1: I mean, and and thinking about the thing like mad

563
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: drafts or whatever. Everything has been about safety, but when

564
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Speaker 1: we think about it, the position to need has been

565
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle. So at some point we have to take

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Speaker 1: a defensive tackles so or bar More happens to be

567
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Speaker 1: there at twenty five, even though we could say, uh,

568
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Speaker 1: maybe he flashes hot of Coba. Hey, let's hey, let's

569
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Speaker 1: grab him now to get him. Or is there someone

570
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Speaker 1: else like Levi Andserick that might be somewhere at the

571
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Speaker 1: top of the second round. Let's make sure we get

572
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Speaker 1: that position field. And so as you're going through these scenarios,

573
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Speaker 1: a lot of the mocking that we're talking about those

574
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Speaker 1: sexy positions, the wide receivers and those things. There are

575
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Speaker 1: a million of those, but the big boys not as many,

576
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Speaker 1: and so you may have to make it a meat

577
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Speaker 1: and potatoes draft early and then go and get the

578
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Speaker 1: sprinkles for the cupcake later on. Yeah, it's kind of ironic.

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Speaker 1: JP people when they grade drafts, I think they look

580
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Speaker 1: at individual players. Okay, where did I have this guy,

581
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Speaker 1: this guy, this guy, this guy. To hear Bucky tell it,

582
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Speaker 1: you have to look at what the team was trying

583
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Speaker 1: to do overall, and may be assessing the draft more

584
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Speaker 1: so than trying to say, well, they took this guy

585
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: five or six positions too early. Well, maybe they were

586
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: trying to get something done and trying to build an

587
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: overall class as opposed to specifically looking at each player.

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Speaker 1: I kind of wonder, Bucky and JP, you know they're

589
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: going into this draft with ten players, how are ten selections?

590
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Speaker 1: Are they going to come out of this draft with

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Speaker 1: ten players selected? From what JP and I were talking about,

592
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Speaker 1: I kind of get the idea. Not I kind of

593
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Speaker 1: get the idea that they'll come out of this with

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Speaker 1: fewer than than ten selections. Yeah, and that leads us

595
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Speaker 1: to our final bite from Trent Balky about his history

596
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: of moving around in the draft. What prompts a trade

597
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Speaker 1: upward down and how difficult are those to execute? It's

598
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Speaker 1: usually an obligatory question. Would a GM be willing to

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Speaker 1: trade that first round pick. I'm gonna assume you're not

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Speaker 1: trading number one overall, but never never, never say never.

601
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Speaker 1: But overall your reputake is that you don't mind moving

602
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Speaker 1: around in the draft. What's your philosophy on that and

603
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: what prompts you to try to move? How do you

604
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: approach that? You gotta let the board speak. You know,

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00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: you you work for three d sixty four days out

606
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Speaker 1: of the year to get through that day one or

607
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Speaker 1: whatever number that is. And you've got a plan, and

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Speaker 1: you know you've got the players valued, and when the

609
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: board starts to fall, you can't predict how it's gonna fall,

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00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: so your your plan has to be very fluid. And

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Speaker 1: when the opportunity arises, when you're sitting there with the

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Speaker 1: pick and you still have three or four players that

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Speaker 1: you have twenty five value on, maybe you do move back.

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Speaker 1: But that's an organizational decision. That's something Coach and I

615
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: will work hard on during that day because you can't

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Speaker 1: plan for it. You can you can, uh, yeah, I

617
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Speaker 1: guess you can plan for it, but the reality is

618
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: draft day isn't predicted. You can plan all you want, right,

619
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Speaker 1: it has to be loud. So I asked him on

620
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Speaker 1: the TV interview, you know what was your is your

621
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Speaker 1: best draft moment, the one that's most memorable to you

622
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: in terms of trading or moving a selection. And the

623
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Speaker 1: first one that hit his head was in the UH

624
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: in the draft they got Carlos High and in San Francisco.

625
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: That would have he traded three times in like a

626
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: seven minute span, down, up, down, like either way, and

627
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: ended up with Carlos High. They executed all those trades

628
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Speaker 1: at one time. He does have a track record of

629
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: pulling the trigger and just going for it. Bucky. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's part of the deal, um. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's important to note, just for disclosure, Trainbaky work

632
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: for a long time with one of my mentor, Scott McCloy,

633
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: and we kind of come from the school that we

634
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: value players over picks. There's some some organizations that always

635
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: value picks. I want to have a bunch of picks,

636
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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have all these guys and we're gonna

637
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: draft twelve guys or whatever. We got fifteen guys that

638
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: are taken into the six and seventh round, where some

639
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: people like I would rather have the really good player

640
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: and fewer picks. And so if I can get in

641
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: arranged to put myself to get what we call a

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Speaker 1: blue chip player, I will give up those later picks

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Speaker 1: to get a blue chip player. And so when you

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Speaker 1: think about two minds coming together, Trent, Balky and Urban Meyer,

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Speaker 1: I've already sitting in outline. Urban Meyer wants four and

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Speaker 1: five stars. He's not trying to get two star players.

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Speaker 1: He wants four and five stars. I want the Marquete name.

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Speaker 1: And then you have Balky, who is kind of training

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Speaker 1: around like crazy, is not afraid to trade to get

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Speaker 1: in range, that absolutely believes that the Jaguars may come

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Speaker 1: out of this with six players, with four of those

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Speaker 1: maybe up at the beginning of the draft, and they'd

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Speaker 1: be like, yeah, okay, I'm fine with that. I got

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Speaker 1: four guys that I really really wanted. I'll give away

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Speaker 1: those rest of the picks because the four that I

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Speaker 1: want are better players than what potentially could be behind

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Speaker 1: those other guys. And the other thing that we've seen

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Speaker 1: of late undrafted free agents, I think undrafted creatents are

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Speaker 1: making rosters more than the day three players. And so

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Speaker 1: if you have the ability to identify undrafted's and you

661
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Speaker 1: know how to develop those guys. You focus your effort

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00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: and energy on making sure you win day one and

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Speaker 1: day two, and then if you don't have as many

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Speaker 1: picks on day three, you focus on being able to

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Speaker 1: cultivate all those undrafted free agents. I think the numbers

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Speaker 1: day is they have five day one and day two

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Speaker 1: picks and five day three picks. Right, yes, the right

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Speaker 1: trade every round four or five, six, seven to move

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Speaker 1: up if you can trade all the day two picks

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Speaker 1: to move up to get me out of there by Thursday? No,

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Speaker 1: are you, Mike dick it? That's what we're doing for me?

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Speaker 1: Is that what we're doing. Are you gonna put on

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Speaker 1: the the Ricky Williams dreads and go play golf the

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Speaker 1: rest of the day like we won't be Ricky Wheens dress.

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Speaker 1: You need that to move up three spots in the

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Speaker 1: first round. I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have on the Trevor Lawrence wig. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: have the Trevor Lawrence We're gonna we're gonna do the podcast.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna have a blond wig on an eighty four.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts Jersey on. He's gonna have all That's fine.

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Speaker 1: J C. Horne. Fine, one, do you have a do

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Speaker 1: you have a deadline on it? Like it has to

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Speaker 1: be submitted by seven pm on Friday night, It has

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Speaker 1: to be by n You want to be done by

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Speaker 1: nine o'clock. No late night hours the ideal. But I'll

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Speaker 1: take you. No late nine hours for jail, no late

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Speaker 1: night hours. And by the way, I get that Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence is gonna put this team in prime time. I'm

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Speaker 1: still in favor of sixteen one o'clock home games many.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's all about Johnny O's schedule. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's got a mode. You have six you have six

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Speaker 1: pm reservations every Sunday. You have six pm, so you

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Speaker 1: can make sure you cruise. You cruise about a spot

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Speaker 1: right after, right after the game in my coup. Correct,

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Speaker 1: it's in my cot. This is the Huddle Up Podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can listen to the entire Trindbackey conversation with the

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Speaker 1: Johnny oh on the ozone podcast available on the Official

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Podcast Network a free download, and you'll see the

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Speaker 1: television version in Jacksonville on Draft Night twenty nine and

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Speaker 1: in the UK if you're listening to this, you'll see

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Speaker 1: it on Sky Sports in NFL coming up a little

702
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Speaker 1: bit earlier next week. We have one social media question

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Speaker 1: today and we've gone over this topic, but let's get

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Speaker 1: the question. There's this gentleman was nice enough to send

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Speaker 1: the question in so at Rich Edwin E. D w

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Speaker 1: N Who, in your opinion is the best tight end

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Speaker 1: and safety prospect for our Jags. We've gone through this

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Speaker 1: a few times, Okay, So best tight end prospects I

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Speaker 1: will say two guys. I would think Pat Freremouth from

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Speaker 1: Penn State because he's a traditional classic tight end. How

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Speaker 1: tall are you, Bucky? Is he? He's not Kyle Pitts tall?

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Speaker 1: Is he? No? I think he's like six four. It's

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Speaker 1: I think I think that's where he kind of comes in.

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Speaker 1: And then Hunter Long from Boston College would be the second.

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Speaker 1: Because what the Jags need. I think they still need

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Speaker 1: a classic y like I I know, take Tyler Eifford

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Speaker 1: out of the mix, like he's there, but he's not there.

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Speaker 1: Like I need a traditional Y tight end, like a

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Speaker 1: guy that can play and be an every down guy

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Speaker 1: attached to hip with the tackle, put his hand in

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Speaker 1: the dirt. Run, rouse and do those things. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: if they were daring to feel the position, I would

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Speaker 1: like to see him double down at the position, get

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Speaker 1: one to come back and get another one. I think

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Speaker 1: firemouth makes sense. What I wonder about is do you

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Speaker 1: have to go get him at five? And if you

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Speaker 1: go get him at five, are you overdrafting him when

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Speaker 1: you could get one of the other guys? Is that

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Speaker 1: value worth it? Is he that much better than who

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Speaker 1: you could get in the third round for what else

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Speaker 1: you might get? And that's my only concern with it.

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Speaker 1: But but I mean, I think that's a question you're

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Speaker 1: asking about a bunch of guys, so is he that

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Speaker 1: much better? But I also think that that's an issue

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Speaker 1: that teams run into it. Tighten and a lot we're

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Speaker 1: talking to this podcast. Tight Ends fascinating to him. Every

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Speaker 1: team needs them, and yet on draft day it seems

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Speaker 1: like teams start talking themselves out of how much they

739
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Speaker 1: need them because they're hard to find and because they're risky,

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Speaker 1: and because they're not perfect coming out there's always flaws

741
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Speaker 1: in them. So I guess I kind of agree with Bucky.

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Speaker 1: I think the approach maybe somewhere in these top seven

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Speaker 1: guys that you've got. You've got five in the top

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Speaker 1: sixty five and a couple more. Maybe you do have

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Speaker 1: to take two to get what you need and hope

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Speaker 1: that one of them works out because this team has

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Speaker 1: been so deficient at that spot for so long. And

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Speaker 1: I get the Urban and trent on thinking about the

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Speaker 1: long term deficiencies, but you've got to get that spot

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Speaker 1: field in this day and age. So you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking abound myself a little bit because it's such

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00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: a difficult position. And maybe you pass on Fireman and

753
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: then take a combination of Brevin Jordan's Hunter Long somewhere

754
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Speaker 1: down there and get a combination that would work at

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Speaker 1: that spot because they gotta get it fixed. And then

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Speaker 1: the other position groups safety. You know, the Jags haven't

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Speaker 1: selected in the draft a true free safety since James

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Speaker 1: Sample that didn't work out. So sweet spot here, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're there are a bunch of sages, and really, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's it's like going to the ice cream shop

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Speaker 1: and kind of figuring out what what is your flavor?

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Speaker 1: What do you like? Um, we've talked about Trevor Morray

763
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Speaker 1: for forever. Javon Holland from Oregon is another playmaker ball hawk.

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Speaker 1: But then there are a ton of guys that have

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Speaker 1: impact potential, but they have to be played a certain way.

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Speaker 1: So you have Andre Cisco from Syracuse who was intriguing

767
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: because he's a ball He had thirteen interceptions in two years. Like,

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Speaker 1: he just gets his hands on the football. So do

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Speaker 1: you want a playmaker that's back there, because he could

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Speaker 1: be that guy. Kaden Stern is a great athlete who

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Speaker 1: had an outstanding freshman year, hasn't played to that level.

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Speaker 1: But you talked about a highway speed sideline, the sideline

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Speaker 1: playmaker who was a really valued recruit when he went

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Speaker 1: to Texas, And so a lot of it depends on

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Speaker 1: how they decide to play, and without seeing them or

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Speaker 1: even hearing them talk about their style of playing the

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Speaker 1: back end, it's really hard to predict what they want

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Speaker 1: in which direction they'll go. Yeah, I think safety about

779
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Speaker 1: this on the podcast. I almost think the NFL game

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Speaker 1: and the rules have evolved to the point where it's

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Speaker 1: impossible or very close to impossible to find a great

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Speaker 1: safety along the lines of where people thought of it

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Speaker 1: years ago. Meaning if you really think you're gonna find

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Speaker 1: somebody who can hit who can play it at a

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00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: high level, be incredibly dynamic and cover you know, good luck,

786
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Speaker 1: because you're trying to find a cornerback in the linebacker's body.

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Speaker 1: It's almost the same thing as the tight end position,

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Speaker 1: where you've almost got to find Okay, I've got a

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Speaker 1: guy who can do this and a guy who can

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Speaker 1: do this. But if I think I'm gonna find a

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Speaker 1: guy who can do both at a high level, they

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Speaker 1: maybe once every seven or eight years that you're gonna

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Speaker 1: find that guy who can do it all. Kellen Winslow

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Speaker 1: is not walking through that door. Maybe Ronnie Lott in

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Speaker 1: his prime is not walking through that door anymore because

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Speaker 1: the game has changed where you can't expect that out

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Speaker 1: of that guy. So, you know, Mary, obviously I think

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Speaker 1: is the big time talent out of the class. Once

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Speaker 1: you get beyond that, I think you're trying to find

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Speaker 1: a guy who can fill a specific role and not

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Speaker 1: be and it will be every down, but they're not

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Speaker 1: going to be the dynamic superstar that I think fans

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Speaker 1: are thinking of at that spot. You have a thanks

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Speaker 1: for the social media question this week, and that will

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Speaker 1: wrap it up for the Huddle Up podcast. This week,

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Speaker 1: we are one week away, over a week from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Well, full team coverage on Jaguars dot Com

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Speaker 1: next week, Bucky, what do you got coming up? The

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Speaker 1: clock's ticket for Draft night? The clock is ticking. But

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Speaker 1: I'm happy that I will be doing some radio on

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Speaker 1: Draft night. I'm doing uh coast in the coverage on

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, UH doing the Draft live Jake Lazer, myself,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Brookhart or whatever, so I get a chance to

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Speaker 1: talk about it or whatever, and then hopefully we'll connect

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Speaker 1: and we'll do some some post draft pods and all

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Speaker 1: of that other stuff. So right now, it's just getting

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Speaker 1: ready for the big day. That's just kind of kind

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Speaker 1: of like a mini super Bowl for us. John, that

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Speaker 1: was some big league name dropping right there by Bucky,

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Speaker 1: I must say there was a name. It was a

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Speaker 1: name drop. That was a name dropper. Bucky thinks those

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Speaker 1: guys are dropping his name. That's where he comes from.

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Speaker 1: But it's a will name drop as well though. And

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Speaker 1: oh well, no, I'm about to name drop Bucky. Because

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Speaker 1: our Jaguars dot Com coverage continued. I know people this

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Speaker 1: day don't read as much as they used to, but

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Speaker 1: Bucky and I've been working on this Draft series JP

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Speaker 1: reads before it goes out, and uh, the Jaguars dot

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Speaker 1: Com Draft series is your mainly because of Bucky's contribution

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Speaker 1: has been outstanding. I think you get a full feel

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Speaker 1: for certainly the first two or three rounds of the

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Speaker 1: draft where the Jaguars might go in all this if

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Speaker 1: you read our series, which continues as we move along

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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, will be Thursday, Friday,

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Speaker 1: next Monday and Tuesday, and uh, it's certainly worth a

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Speaker 1: read because the Bucky's input. Great job. I appreciate that

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Speaker 1: John O gave me some flowers. How about that. That's

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Speaker 1: that's nice every now and then look at that to

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Speaker 1: get on there with Jay Glazer. Wait wait, wait, wait goodness,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, hold on there, Okay, because Jo, I've

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Speaker 1: seen you pump out stuff celebrating Peter King joining the pod.

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Speaker 1: You've had other people joined the pods, I mean, very

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Speaker 1: prominent names on the ozone which has your glasses and everything.

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Speaker 1: I just wait until Pete Frisco this week to mighty yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mighty Pete Frisco. Like I'm just saying some of us,

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Speaker 1: I mean, some of us just shop at different aisles.

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Speaker 1: I'm just at that that clearance O. You're over there

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Speaker 1: the high end rack. You know, you don't even look

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Speaker 1: at price tags, you just you just buy it. We

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Speaker 1: keep going in list I've had, I've had Jim Trotter on,

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Speaker 1: I've had, uh had a guess, Steve Wisch, Trent Balky,

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Speaker 1: pretty good list, it's a it's a great list. Both

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Speaker 1: lists are fantastic, by the way, and uh, we'll look

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Speaker 1: forward to the coverage coming up next week on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio of course on Thursday night, and our coverage

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Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot Com. Bucky will be a big piece

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Speaker 1: of that Friday and Saturday as well. Remember to subscribe

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Speaker 1: Spotify or wherever you get your pods. Give us a

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Speaker 1: will have one of these podcasts before the draft. So

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Speaker 1: we're acting like we're not gonna talk again before the draft,

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Speaker 1: but we will speak again next week. I have a

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Speaker 1: good one, Bucky man. You know what you guys to

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Speaker 1: be good, Jo, stay positive, positive. We're week away. We're

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Speaker 1: a week away from doing all about Me. That'll do

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Speaker 1: it this week for the Huddle Up Podcast,