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Speaker 1: What's up, Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the met Stub podcast. If you guys are watching us

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Speaker 1: very special guest. It is Nick Pollock off Pictureless, and

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Speaker 1: I have enough pictureless. He is pictureless, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk everything Mets, starting pictures because that's Nick's expertise.

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Speaker 1: And that's probably the problem spot for this miss roster

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Speaker 1: right now is probably we have the most questions, where

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Speaker 2: Nick.

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Speaker 1: So great to see you, so great to have you

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Speaker 1: back on a few years off the met Stub podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thrilled your back, Oh man, thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: having me. It was great to see it too over

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Speaker 3: the weekend. And yes, his hair is that good in person. Everyone,

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 4: I'm just I'm proud that James. That was a clean intro, James,

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Speaker 4: no re recording, nothing role there. That was good.

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Speaker 1: Two days in a row helped a lot, truthfully. But Nick,

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Speaker 1: I need some I need some takes on the Mets

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Speaker 1: pitching staff right now. There's someone that I there was.

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Speaker 1: I had this idea because I was listening to your podcast.

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Speaker 1: You did the Eno seris by the Week and a

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Speaker 1: half two weeks ago, the Craft, and you had a

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Speaker 1: moment where in my brain listening to you, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I think Nick might internally becoming a

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Speaker 1: Mets fan because you were talking about Tyler and McGill,

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Speaker 1: who for the years has been one of your favorite underrated,

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Speaker 1: low key sleeper picks and Fantasy baseball, and then Ino

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Speaker 1: was talking about him and he was lauding him about

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Speaker 1: how many more pitches he's developed and how exciting the

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Speaker 1: fastball and the sinker are together. And then you went reversed.

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Speaker 1: You were like you can't look at his fastball. He's

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Speaker 1: not a fishing you can't. You can never get to

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Speaker 1: out of his innings. He doesn't know where the ball

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Speaker 1: is going. And if to me, I was like, I

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Speaker 1: need Nick to come on to talk about Tyler McGill.

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Speaker 1: So Nick, tell me what you've seen about Tyler McGill,

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Speaker 1: what you like and don't like about Tyler McGill, and

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Speaker 1: how in your mind you made the shifts from the

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Speaker 1: fantasy industry to actually becoming a Mets fan mentally.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well wow, this is not fair. Okay, you asked

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Speaker 3: me to come on as a guest, and then what

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Speaker 3: you do is you put words of my mouth. You

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Speaker 3: bring me back from childhood where I was a Yankee

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Speaker 3: I didn't like how they would just root against me

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Speaker 3: all the time, there was one year that I said,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I'll be a Mets fan with you guys,

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Speaker 3: because you need it, right. And then I went back

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Speaker 3: forget that one, right. And this is how it feels

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Speaker 3: right now, James, Because if you actually read the sp

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Speaker 3: round up every day as you should, of course you

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Speaker 3: would know that. I called him ty Lord McGill initially

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Speaker 3: And then he never did it again. It just never

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Speaker 3: two and a half years ago, something along those lines.

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Speaker 3: And this is the thing about Tyler McGill is that

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Speaker 3: I've become obsessed with extension, guys, And there's actually another

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Speaker 3: So Teller McGill has that he has over seven feet

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Speaker 3: And I've been waiting for him to replicate this for ages.

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Speaker 3: will be the day of the Thai Lord, right, But

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Speaker 3: there will be so many when it's just no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: Is there anything that may like stands out us to

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Speaker 3: Well, right, generally, when you have these big boys and

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Speaker 3: Your arm is just longer, which means the actual distance

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Speaker 3: a problem for Tyler Glasnow. Glasnow has one of the

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Speaker 3: all right. I don't like the show Jersey Shore, but

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Speaker 1: Like this to me is the proliferation of someone who

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Speaker 1: and keep being seeming so close to what it could be.

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Speaker 1: You know how it could be great. Absolutely, I think

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Speaker 3: There are worse guys. There are worse guys. I'm thinking

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Speaker 4: When you talked about worse guys. The Mets picked up

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Speaker 4: Griffin Canning, and he's looked incredible in spring training. Is

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Speaker 3: I actually went over, Yes, how you feeling about these guys?

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Speaker 3: what I call dancing with the disco and it's popularized

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Speaker 3: by Anthony Diskafani otherwise known as Tony Disco, who would

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Speaker 3: like Rick Reid then I Rick read John Mayne, you

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Speaker 3: forty five percent sliders and get away with it, and

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Speaker 3: Tony Discovini did this a ton, and that's what Griffin

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Speaker 3: Canning did in this When I was fifty one percent

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Speaker 1: All right, you're brought you brought up. Play Hoolmes now,

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Speaker 1: I think it's time to begin the Clay Hoolmes experience.

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Speaker 1: He's been one of the most endless, sensational, most talked

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Speaker 1: What have you seen from Clay Holmes this year that

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Speaker 4: I'll say this so again, A lot of my takes

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Speaker 3: Sure, I mean I totally get that. I mean, James,

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Speaker 1: I mean, similarly, I think we're at the point right

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Speaker 3: Maybe there'll be one they're like, okay, you know what

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Speaker 3: really interesting because on paper he makes it makes sense. Look,

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Speaker 3: sixty percent strike, right, which is kind of the threshold

428
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 3: a reliable secondaries changeup. So, long story short, it's good

429
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,719
Speaker 3: he's an SP three and the fact that he's your

430
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 3: opening day guy should worry you a bit. You need

431
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 3: a workhorse, you really, I mean Sean and I was

432
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 3: able to go to the seventh inning last year. Yeah,

433
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 3: and I wasn't expecting him to again. Now you absolutely

434
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 3: need him to when he comes back. It's not fun.

435
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 3: And you better get on the phone getting al Katara

436
00:20:58,960 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 3: or someone now.

437
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 4: Because David he doesn't do it. He's never done it,

438
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 4: even with the Brewers. That's like, I feel like Mets

439
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 4: fans obviously we all want pitching. I'm on the same

440
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 4: board too, like I want a real ace, especially with

441
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 4: all this stuff going around with code I right now

442
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 4: in the uncertainty with him, would be great to get

443
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 4: a Sandi Alkintara, Dylan Sisa if Framber's ever available, like

444
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 4: one of those guys for sure. But David Sturtns historically

445
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 4: has almost never traded for a frontline starter. He builds

446
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 4: from within. There's like, think about those Brewers teams. It

447
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 4: felt like every trade deadline, you screamed, go get a pitcher,

448
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 4: Go get a pitcher, And then you got to the

449
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 4: playoffs and you're like, oh, there's rookie Brandon Woodruff pitching

450
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 4: in Game two of the NLCS. Holy shit, Like this

451
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 4: is absolutely.

452
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 3: Can curse on this one.

453
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we can. We curse all the time here.

454
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 4: I mean, James, you're muted by the way, completely can't

455
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 4: hear you. But like David Suents doesn't do this, so

456
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 4: to kind of now backtrack because you mentioned Brandon Sprot,

457
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 4: like he's a guy who's probably going to get some

458
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 4: legit major innings, especially if things progress the way it has,

459
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 4: Like he struggled at Triple A last year. We know

460
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 4: the ABS had a little bit to do with it,

461
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 4: and just the fact that put more innings on his

462
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 4: arm than he ever had before. He didn't throw that

463
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 4: many innings in college. Should begin with I want to

464
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 4: know the comp what's your comp that you have for

465
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,959
Speaker 4: Brandon Sprot? That caught my interest immediately.

466
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 3: Oh man, he is in the n AL West, he's

467
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 3: pretty young. He has a really good sweeper and at

468
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 3: times has sat like ninety six, but doesn't have a

469
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 3: good out pitch for lefties.

470
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Speaker 1: Is his name Brandon?

471
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 3: Would that be?

472
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: Is his name Brandon Fott?

473
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 3: It is?

474
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 4: That's that's sad. I don't love that.

475
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: We were just talking about yesterday, Mark and I we

476
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Speaker 1: can't really get in on Brandon Fot. We were talking

477
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: through fantasy and just regular pitcher rankings, and that the

478
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: only thing that pushes me against that is because when

479
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: Sprote was coming up, his change up was the pitch

480
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: that was Lawden, he was lily. That was the pitch

481
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 1: that was giving him credit. He's super gone away from

482
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: it as he's gone to the upper miners and he's

483
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 1: barely thrown it this spring. So I guess if that

484
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: change up isn't something that is a trustworthy weapon for him, that.

485
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Speaker 3: Would be a big deal. I mean, that's the thing

486
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 3: that Thought has been looking for. But what I see

487
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 3: is a yeah, mid nineties fastball guy with a sweeper

488
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's cool, but you got you need

489
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 3: something else like that could be enough? Like Thought has

490
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 3: been helpful for the Diamondbacks, right, so he will be

491
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 3: some reinforcements, but yeah, you needed Christian Scott not to

492
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: get hurt. Yeah, if you're wondering to like, wait, hold

493
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: on a second, Christian Scott, isn't it kind of the

494
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: same thing. It's like a sweeper and a fastball. Fastball,

495
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 3: Christian's got way better than Brandon spot sprots. So also,

496
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't get out of my head. I

497
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 3: just want to say sprout. But also like I want

498
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: to say sprout like bro like you want sprout like

499
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 3: I just want to do that, And I hate it

500
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 3: and you're gonna have to deal with that. I'm sorry, guys,

501
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: when he comes up, I don't know what you're gonna

502
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 3: do about it. You got to figure it out, now,

503
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 3: get ahead of it.

504
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: What's gonna be the pun for Brandon Sprout?

505
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. Sprody mixed broad face.

506
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 4: A little bummed.

507
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: But so you mentioned the fact that the Mets do

508
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: need the workhorse. They kind of came into the season

509
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: with two players they were expecting to be work horses,

510
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: but that fell by the wayside. Do the injuries and

511
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: Sean and I are Frankie mantas, Yeah, but did.

512
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 3: You really want them as like work hourses?

513
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: We don't know if I wanted to be work courses.

514
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 4: But you have to play the hand your dealt Nick.

515
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 3: This is what you're getting at, though, is like a workhorse.

516
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 3: Like there's a phrase easy inning, sorry innings eater, right,

517
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 3: the chad innings eater, thank you so much, foolish baseball. Uh,

518
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 3: but it's just Frankie Mantes was the most Mets signing

519
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: I think I've seen in a long time, because it's like, oh,

520
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: I thought he was already there and he wasn't. You know,

521
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 3: he's he's not really the guy you want for so

522
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: many innings because it's going to be kind of it's

523
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of any and manaya, I know

524
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: we all want to believe that that stretch in the

525
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: second half last year for sham and I was real.

526
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: It was kind of he was better with the lower arms.

527
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 3: Thought there are two problems. One the slider was still

528
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: hit sorry, the sinker was still hit really hard and

529
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: he got so lucky on that. And two his control,

530
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: really an overall command I could say, was just way better.

531
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: And he's also a guy that gets into rhythm constantly.

532
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 3: Sham and I is throwing a cross body all the

533
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: time like Nicolodolo does this right, and sham and I

534
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: has been this example of guys who can get into

535
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: that rhythm and they get into the groove and then

536
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 3: they're cool and it gets disrupted and then they don't

537
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: get it back. I mean, there's no bigger disruptment than

538
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: a disruption, my god, disruptman's word. It's fine disruption. Then

539
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: the off season was an injury like this, right, So

540
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: I have no expectation for Sham and I to be

541
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: right back where he was and like that. And I'm

542
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 3: sure it's one point he'll flash that and cool and

543
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 3: you could just cross your fingers. It will be as

544
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 3: good as that. But I'm sorry to be like the

545
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 3: bare bad news. I do have some good news if

546
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: you want that.

547
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's time for it.

548
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that David Peterson's pretty cool.

549
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 4: Yes, I was gonna ask you because I'm I'm I'm

550
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 4: not gonna say all in on David Peterson, but as

551
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 4: much as a Mets fan can be, I'm all in

552
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 4: on David Peterson.

553
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: Why are you all in on David Peterson?

554
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 4: I just what he did last year, Like there's a

555
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 4: combination of like old baseball, where like he pitched and

556
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 4: the Mets won. I think that's really important, Like they

557
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 4: just won games that he was on the mound, Whether

558
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 4: he kept them close, whether he actually had anything to

559
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 4: do with them winning. They won games when he pitched,

560
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: so I thought that was anti the ground. He gave

561
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 4: up three runs and the Mets will score eleven. He

562
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 4: got the best pitch run support ever, but also like

563
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 4: he was healthy and it seemed like healthy David Peterson

564
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 4: was able to do those things that we saw flashes

565
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 4: before where it's like they weren't hitting the ball particularly hard,

566
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 4: he wasn't giving up runs. He got into a ton

567
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 4: of trouble, but he was able to get out of

568
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 4: it with like big double plays and stuff like that.

569
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 4: Like you could chalk it up to being lucky, but

570
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 4: I feel like, for the first time in his career,

571
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 4: like things in his body are working well, and it

572
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 4: felt like he wasn't like a mope, which he's been

573
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: in the past, where like he got into trouble and

574
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 4: he's like, oh woe is me, like sink the shoulders,

575
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: like I can't get out of this. It felt like

576
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 4: he finally acknowledged that, like, oh, I'm a major league picture,

577
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 4: I'd belong here, And I think that's a big thing

578
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 4: for a guy like David Peterson.

579
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: So like like big Papa or something like that, because

580
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: you know Peterson and Pete Dad, you know it's it's

581
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: right there. But no, the cool thing about Peterson is

582
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: that he is an extension guy. He's has seven feet

583
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: and I don't like the fact that he was lower

584
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 3: on velocity recently. Down's like ninety or something like that.

585
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: What are you doing? But I hope he's all right.

586
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: I hope his fine is just like ramping out kind

587
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: of thing. When Peterson is cruising, he utilizes that super well.

588
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 3: He goes upstairs and actually gets to pitch a separation,

589
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 3: so sinkers and for zeamers are upstairs and that's fine

590
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 3: with me. And he has two secondaries that can be

591
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 3: so filled, especially when that change up is really cooking.

592
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 3: I mean, he actually took a step back on the slider,

593
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: changed the shape of it and just like made it

594
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: worse than Weird said about it. I don't know why,

595
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 3: because it was so effective. And then he's like, I'm

596
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: going to make this worse. I'm like, oh, okay, all right.

597
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: But the change up against the right handers, I cannot

598
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: emphasize this enough. We have seen constantly of left handed

599
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: pitchers with good extension have success throwing change up stops

600
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: at handed batters. I mean it's it's especially lefties. The

601
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 3: best example Cody Bradford. How does he do it? In Texas?

602
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 3: You might not know who that guy is is. He's

603
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: hurt right now for the for the Rangers, but last

604
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: year just had this quiet successful season. Say for one

605
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: game against Arizona, there's ninety one. But what happens is

606
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: he has seven of extension, keeps that four seamer upstairs,

607
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: and then the change up underneath the right e's that

608
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: was just who just obliterate them? Right? And then you

609
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: have like Scooble, you have like Reagan's, you have Tyler Anderson.

610
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: Believe it or not, how do they do it? It's

611
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: a change up against the most common enemy, the right hander.

612
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: So when David Peterson has that change of actually staying

613
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: down or just getting strikes, really like that will work.

614
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: And then he has that slider that you always want

615
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 3: a lefty to have to debilitate lefties. I feel like

616
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: Sler's lefty lefty is somehow better than Slider's righty righty.

617
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just how it is, but it's

618
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 3: just constantly what we've seen. And Peterson has that too,

619
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 3: so there is a lot of opportunity there. And I

620
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: think because that four seamer and Syncred don't really scream

621
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: I'm amazing that, you know, I stay away from it

622
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: a little bit. I think I also don't love how inconsistent,

623
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: Like I don't know the chain w will be there.

624
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if the slider will be there. Mechanics, yeah,

625
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: there is. I think I have a lot more belief

626
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: in Peterson doing this than McGill, who I've just like,

627
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: oh my god, my god, you don't even have an

628
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: approach like it's Peterson.

629
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 4: You look back like he has had success, whether it

630
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 4: makes sense or not, Like there are times where he's

631
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: just pitching well you don't know why, but he does it.

632
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: He had that stretch in twenty two where the strike

633
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: on my walkerk climbs above twenty for for people a

634
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: couple of months.

635
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: Because that slider did have a lot.

636
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 3: Slider was like a twenty seven percent came to like

637
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: seventeen or something. I know I should have it in

638
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: front of me.

639
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: I feel like he tightened it up to try and

640
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: improve his command. I also think it's kind of it's

641
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: kind of nice that we waited until like five or

642
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: six pitchers in to actually talk about David petersons. I

643
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Speaker 1: think that's where a lot of Mets fans and other

644
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: pundits are right now. Despite the fact that he was

645
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: the second most consistent, he's.

646
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Speaker 3: The most important starter on your team right now. He

647
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: might be the guy we he's crazy, but like, I

648
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: have no faith that's guy. I mean, yeah, work course

649
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: I don't have faith in Sanga. I think Peterson's gonna

650
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: throw the most innings for you this year.

651
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: What's your what's your lack of faith in saying it

652
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 4: in that he's gonna give us innings or in the

653
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: quality of those innings.

654
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Speaker 3: Oh? Man, his last spring training start was horrific, bad,

655
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: so bad, And I have yet to see Senga good

656
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: for a while. I mean, look, he was looking better

657
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: before the.

658
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: Calf great, awesome.

659
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was actually like maybe this is okay. And

660
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: but then you have to also understand there's a ton

661
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: of adrenaline in that one, and that isn't necessarily the

662
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: guy who's going to be there right when you come

663
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: back from an ailstent like that? Am I actually have

664
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: led to that calf injury because it's just your body

665
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: doing more than it's expected. It's why we do see

666
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: that sometimes and like opening day starts, or we see

667
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: it like in returns, like wait, why is it cut

668
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: short so soon? Because it's whatever anyway with Peter. With Senga,

669
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: it was multiple velocity ticks down, wasn't really throwing the

670
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: ghost fork, doesn't or wasn't also throwing the cuttery like

671
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: he was experimenting with everything. And to be straightforward, with Senga,

672
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: he's someone that has to throw a ton of cutters

673
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: because the force singmer itself isn't actually that good. But

674
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: he's able to tunnel it with the cutter really well,

675
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: and guys can't decide if it's the cutter of the

676
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: four singer for strikes, so he's able to sneak by

677
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: in the zone with that fastball and cutter, which then

678
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: leads to the ghost fork. It is not a strikeout sorry,

679
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: he's not a strike pitch. The ghost fork. It is

680
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: a strikeout pitch. So for him to get strikeouts, he

681
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: has to get strikes with something else, and the cutter

682
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: fastball combo is not looking like a good thing in

683
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: the spring right now. That has me very concerned and

684
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: I started to really think about this a bit of

685
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: just hold on whenever you seen him good, actually stop

686
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: wishcasting that he's just fine and going to be the

687
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: same guy we expected him to be this time last year.

688
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: So I'm worried about that, and I just feel bad,

689
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: you know, I just feel like the Mets you're so close.

690
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: You're like, you're so close, and it's just how did

691
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: this happen?

692
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 4: David Stearns is the chaos?

693
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: Do you think it could be a bit of an

694
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: icarous situation happening right now? It's his Mets team building

695
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: where they're resting on their laurels a little bit. How

696
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: much professionals developed and they know they can do with

697
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: some of these bargain veterans. How good they think that

698
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: their minor league player development's been so far they can

699
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: rely on some of these guys coming up.

700
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: What development have you done with your pitching staff?

701
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: I think last year what happened with Mania Sevrina was

702
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: pretty significant.

703
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: Maniah wasn't I don't know the coaching staff that was

704
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: Mania looking at Chris Sale and be like, huh so.

705
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: He's still before that was still better than he had

706
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: been some of the time previously, and he did.

707
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: I mean the you know, the Mets had faith in him,

708
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: which was good. The Giants didn't, and it bothered me

709
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: immensely because I actually liked what he was doing. And

710
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: then they've removed him from the rotation. He actually was

711
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: throwing harder entering twenty twenty three, we knew this. He

712
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: went to drive line, he was throwing much better, and

713
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: like the Giants toyed with him. I have a have

714
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: a friend of mine who knows Manaia and like talk

715
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: to him about this. I was like, yeah, just told Manyah,

716
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: I feel for him and like he deserves better and

717
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 3: I'm so happy the Mets signed him and like let

718
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 3: him do it, you know. So it's stuff like that.

719
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 3: But I guess I'm not saying that the Mets are

720
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 3: not a good organization to develop pitchers. I just always

721
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: because I can't tell a lot of the time. There's,

722
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: for example, you have like the the Guardians. Oh, the Guardians,

723
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: Oh that's a great you know pitch pitching crew there.

724
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 3: Then we heard from Shane Bieber says like they don't

725
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: do anything once we get to the majors, Like I

726
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: forgot do this myself, Like right, that's what it is.

727
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: You develop well in the minors, but the second they

728
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 3: get there and prepare them and it's just they don't

729
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: change after that, right, Or the Giants are like, oh no,

730
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: look how they fixed the Scoffani and they have this

731
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: season from alex Wood. Or look, no, their defense was

732
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: amazing for a year, right, it wasn't the pitchers. And

733
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: you're seeing like, we don't have faith necessarily in the

734
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: Giants themselves, do we? So whenever it's the pitching development

735
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: of being like, okay, I believe this crew like maybe

736
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: the Rays, Yeah, the Astros were, but the Astros are

737
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: now behind them. Things. It's all weird, guys, what is pitching?

738
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: It's almost like it's a nuance and Jeffrey got At

739
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: least it's not the Rockies, okay, or like the Nationals. Sorry,

740
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 3: the Nationals are not good at this and it drives

741
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 3: me up the wall. All right, those are the ones

742
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: I'm just like, oh gosh, this is bad. Cardinals, Oh god,

743
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: the Colonel.

744
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've fallen behind. They're like in the Stone Age.

745
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 4: Now we know the Cardinals are not even close to anything.

746
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: Now at least then Hire there's they're the owner's son

747
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: to be the head of r and d like the

748
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: Rockies did. But I digress. I still think there is

749
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: so again, do you think the Mets may have made

750
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: a huge mistake here in how they align this pitching

751
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: staff entering a season where they have one of probably

752
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: three to five best offenses in baseball?

753
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: Do you really want to have Paul Blackburn in this squad? Hell?

754
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, give me Paul Blackburn. We we have a thing

755
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 4: on the podcast where we're gonna be at a Paul

756
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: black start on a Sunday at one o'clock. We're gonna

757
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 4: have six beers. We're gonna watch them pitch six innings,

758
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 4: give up four runs, one walk, a bunch of hits,

759
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 4: and the Mets are gonna win. That's what it is.

760
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna win six to four once.

761
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen all year. He's the last guy we

762
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: haven't talked about. Do you have any takes on Paul

763
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: Blackburn anything?

764
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: I mean that Blackburn is able to like manipulate all

765
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 3: the things well and cool, like like Blackburn is is

766
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 3: a cher who he'll give it himself a shot to survive. Yes, right,

767
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 3: he's a survivalist, yes of like, yeah, he's not. He's

768
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: trying to make sure he doesn't allow eight earned runs

769
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: in three innings cockroach, right, and you have to let

770
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: the hitters beat you. So sometimes they don't. Sometimes what

771
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: I like to say is when it's babbitt luck, I sail,

772
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 3: I say from the graces of Kofax. Okay, So sometimes

773
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: Kofax is there to help him out, and that's cool,

774
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 3: but you really don't want to rely on this every

775
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 3: five six days.

776
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 4: That's that's the best rotation. There's a lot of guys

777
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: but they but they did it last year too, right.

778
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: You look at that rotation last year and you were like,

779
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 4: he was, but he was also the worst pitcher in

780
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 4: baseball the year prior Mania was horrible with It's like

781
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 4: Nate I grew James, Like, this is definitely something that

782
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 4: we've talked about where it's like they might be flying

783
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 4: too close to the sun. Maybe this was like a

784
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: major oversight of like we can do it again, it's

785
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 4: gonna fail miserably. But if they do it again all

786
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: of a sudden, now like you're like, is this a

787
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 4: legit thing or is it city Field? Maybe city Field

788
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 4: plays into it too.

789
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: Because the guy that is missing is is Jose Kintana

790
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: For a three seven five year of one hundred and

791
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: seventy five innings, Like that's exactly what I think they

792
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: probably really, deep down their gut hope that David Peterson

793
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 1: becomes It's kind of like figuring out this rotation. Who's

794
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: the ma and I, who's the Sevregna, who's the Peterson.

795
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: I think they kind of hope that is I mean,

796
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: who's the Kantana and they fact they hope that's Peterson,

797
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: Canning and Holmes. I think that's probably where maybe McGill

798
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: McGill sprinkle in.

799
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: I mean, Jose Budo is gonna do things sometimes, guys, He's.

800
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: Gonna pitch your relief.

801
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, he's not gonna start at all. No, no,

802
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 4: they will they want to use uh the bullpen.

803
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah well, I mean initially yes.

804
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 1: No, they said, Dave said he's he's a full time

805
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: reliever without the options. I don't think they have any

806
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: intention of stretching him out.

807
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so hold on, I'm just gonna throw this

808
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 3: out there. Okay, let's say you get another two injuries.

809
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: What happens?

810
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 4: I mean, you mean mark'star and up our army will

811
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 4: hit me.

812
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: Maybe get a call up there, well, but you understand

813
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: my point of like Budo has experienced it, they we

814
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: will only get like two innings the first time, but

815
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: even in the spring we've not been like one inning

816
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: only they have kept him like longer relief kind of thing.

817
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: So that's why I'm getting out of Maybe you'll see

818
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: that kind of thing.

819
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: Give tyronical and mean, they said, if they probably will

820
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: consider him. I think that's going to be the mindset

821
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: with Budo and Max Kranick, because there's gonna be a

822
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: lot more holes to fill in with this pitching staff

823
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: in April and May, especially until we can get at

824
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: least one of Manaia Manta's back. While Clay Hoolmes is

825
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: still building up. We don't know what's going to happen

826
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: with Tyler mcgillar, Griffin Canning. I think there's gonna be

827
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: a big reliance on both Budo and Crannick to give

828
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: forty thirty five to fifty pitches certain times out of

829
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: the bullpen, hopefully to the three innings bridge that gap

830
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: from a four inning start to the late relief, which

831
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: the Mets should be good.

832
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: You can do the Tigers thing right, But I know

833
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: Kranick is someone I did forget about this. Someone in

834
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 3: our discord is just obsessed with Cranick. Yeah, and I'm like,

835
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: he's not going more than two innings. You know, it's

836
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: but he's not really any different than what we've seen

837
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: in the past with like the Pirates. Just so we're

838
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: clear too, that said that, he probably would get those

839
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: chances before Budo. As far as your prospects outside have

840
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: sprote Is there anyone.

841
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: No, no one to get like particularly excited about just

842
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 4: yet that could be on the major league level this year,

843
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: But like tid Well is definitely going to get a look.

844
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 4: I think Dom Hamill probably get to look again at

845
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 4: some point. He's due to make the majors and just

846
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: at least make one start. See what he's.

847
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: Got is still a full year away. We have Justin Hagenman,

848
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: who's a sinkerballer. That they have is the organizational depth

849
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: right now in a Waddell they've gotten some time in

850
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: the spring, but otherwise, and oh, Nick, your favorite jose Uranya,

851
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: we know how.

852
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 3: Much of man You're in a boatload of trouvel.

853
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 4: Obese in his start, I don't think he expected to play.

854
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: Also, the Rangers, just Y Patrick Corbin that was that

855
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: that's a funny in and out for the Rangers to

856
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 1: take out Jose Iranian.

857
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 3: The Rangers just just sign, oh, no.

858
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: That's going to take the spot for Rocker and Lither

859
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: right now, one of those guys. And I was going

860
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: to miss and miss a spot.

861
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: No, I mean, that's the whole conversation, you know. I

862
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: don't know if you Adrian Howser was the one that

863
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 3: I thought would be in there with Lighter.

864
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: We've been through that before, but starts last year.

865
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: Here's this is actually brings up an interesting point though

866
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: for you guys, there were going to be NRIs who

867
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 3: did not make their team despite pitching decently well. And

868
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: maybe maybe there are some of those guys. I don't

869
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: know who they are on the top of my head,

870
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: but like, for example, this is why the Yankees are

871
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: very likely to have Colles Carrasco's the number five. Have

872
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 3: been saying this for the last couple of weeks because

873
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: Carrasco was looking okay and instead of bringing Bull Warren

874
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: and losing that depth, they have no depth after that,

875
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: so they might as well just get Carrasca for whatever

876
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: they can and then get Will Warren later. You might

877
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 3: see that those opportunities here and there, and that might

878
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: be your solution. Cal Gibson is still out there, a Lancelot,

879
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 3: I'm still out there.

880
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 4: I can't watch Kyle gibs some pictures.

881
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: Something else that was annoying about that is that with

882
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: Francisco Alva is now going on the IL and likely

883
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: not needing a sixty day trip, the Mets are going

884
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: to need to add a catcher to their forty man roster.

885
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: By opening down it's probably an empty forty man spot.

886
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: They probably were intending to take a risk out of

887
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: the picture, so I wonder now if how they wind

888
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: up playing around with that, if they wind up cutting

889
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: one of their infielders they wind up, I don't think

890
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna cut it out. I mean, they probably will

891
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: wind up cutting an outfielder because you probably don't need

892
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: to carry both Canario and Jose Azocar. I think you

893
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: actually will have to release if he doesn't make the

894
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: opening day roster. But I think that was probably an

895
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: annoying little twist that had to happen to this forty

896
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: man roster before opening day. I'm sure they were intending

897
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: to add another picture to.

898
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: This, so Blake Tidwell is someone you might see get

899
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: some endings guys for your mets. Yep, Jonah Tong is

900
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: clean cool, He's awful, the best kind of cool. He

901
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: throws like super over the top at twenty inches of

902
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 3: vert and then has a load of mid an eighties

903
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: curveball from that, and you know, this is this is

904
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: one of the things that I find so interesting. And

905
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: a lot of clubs we say, okay, cool, like he's

906
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 3: in single A, he needs to go to double A

907
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 3: or whatever, and then like go up the process. I love,

908
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: I absolutely love when clubs look at their entire team

909
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: and they go, let's just see how this goes, and

910
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: then like just just says, great, We're just gonna bring

911
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 3: this up. It gets make some space in the forty

912
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: man and say like, you know what, Paul Blackburn, We're done, Jonah,

913
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: Let's just go and take a chance with that instead

914
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: of just kind of letting those bullets wait there like

915
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: the Atlanta did this last year. Yeah yeah, right, and

916
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: obviously paid off in a big way with Spencer Schwellenbach. Right,

917
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: but they also were very aggressive with the A. J.

918
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: Smith Shauber out of Nowhere too. Yeah, and I'm really

919
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 3: for it. I think a lot of teams wait too

920
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: long to promote their their pitchers, and you gotta a

921
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: lot of these guys into the fire. You need these innings,

922
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: you need to save bullets. Like a lot of guys

923
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: are getting Tommy John and something throwing the miners for

924
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: three years. It's like guys that could have been production

925
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: up here, you know. So I'm not saying that Jonahsong

926
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: is ready right now, yeah, but there might be a

927
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: moment like he has a couple of good starts and

928
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: they're just like, all right, let's just we need something,

929
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 3: let's go.

930
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: I think if there's a guy that can be, it's

931
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: Nolan MacLean. Yeah, because Nolan McLean already has a major

932
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: league caliber sweeper and he really has a very good fastball,

933
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: and he's been working on the gyro and the cover

934
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: and there's probably gonna be a change of coming if

935
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: he can at some point. So I think he's the

936
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: one because he's he's going to be turning twenty four

937
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: years old at some point this season, where Tong is

938
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: still twenty one Spring Chicken only one true professional season,

939
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: we threw a hundred innings. McLean's right Yeah, if there's

940
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: something crazy does happen and there's something wrong with you,

941
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: just throw their tid well because they'll get those shots first.

942
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: He's the one that could be the nuclear call up.

943
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: That was a good call out about the Braves. They

944
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: did make the playoffs last year because of their aggressiveness

945
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: with those pictures.

946
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 4: Two with Tong is going to be that I think

947
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 4: because he's like such a like stat darling and like

948
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: he's got so much heat right now and he's a

949
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: very enticing picture. He might be the guy that gets moved. Yeah,

950
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 4: because you just cash in on the helium that you

951
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 4: have with this kid right now.

952
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think you guys need to do

953
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: something and like McLean, I actually even wrote that I'm

954
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: twiddling my thumbs until I get triple A data.

955
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 4: That's yeah, yeah, definitely. I hope it's.

956
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 3: Great because ninety with a great sweepers. You mentioned that

957
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: high eighties cutter. Yeah, that's cool.

958
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: We had the one inning in the breakout game last

959
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: year in the day that was pretty nutty. But still

960
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: on one inning is just one inning for a starter.

961
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but you can get a lot of

962
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 3: a minute and it was cool.

963
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: It was that was really cool.

964
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 4: We had that. I need I got one final question

965
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 4: for you here, Nick, most valuable bets picture for the

966
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five season. Who is it going to be?

967
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: You know who it is?

968
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 4: David Peterson.

969
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 3: David Peterson.

970
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 4: Hell, I'd love to hear that. That's our guys.

971
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's the most valuable as in like

972
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: you need him to be valuable. Yeah, it's the most

973
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: iportant one. I think it's not even could I sing,

974
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: you're already saying, like, don't lower your expectations for code.

975
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 4: I sing, welcome to the mets of the podcast. That's

976
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 4: our take as well. We send that right.

977
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: Really, I'm I'm hoping you that it's great. But Peterson

978
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: is the one that it would stabilize this to some degree.

979
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: Don't expect the McGill, Canning, Blackburn three amigos here to

980
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: work out. Okay, they're going to show up like they're

981
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 3: at the film set instead of actually in Mexico. Okay,

982
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 3: like that is that might be what happens here? Okay,

983
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: but I yeah, it's David Peterson. Get it together, Peterson.

984
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 3: We need you, love it, We'll need you.

985
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: I want more question for Nick. So you had to

986
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: pick one of these guys to be more valuable met

987
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: this season, whether it be Griffin Canning or Tyler McGill.

988
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: Sophie's choice.

989
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 3: Sophie's choice, don't you know, let's let's that's a real

990
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: human choice, all right. I think I think you're gonna

991
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: get more out of Griffin Canning. Oh wow, Well, I

992
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 3: mean I think it's just because it's more. It's like

993
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: he can do his thing normally. Yeah. Well, like McGill,

994
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 3: it's just like, dude, are.

995
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 4: You gonna you don't know which McGill's come showing up?

996
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: This is it's a lower ceiling, lower ceiling, but where

997
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: you are in the rotation with him, it's just like,

998
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: please just give us five of like two and rum ball,

999
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: like please, Canning just thrown off sliders, please, mcgil It's like,

1000
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: stop trying to make the American sport happen. Man, he

1001
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 3: threw a lot less outing. I want to see one

1002
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 3: start where he is missing all of his four seamers

1003
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 3: too high. Yeah right, I mean that's the kind of

1004
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 3: thing that I yell at a lot.

1005
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 4: Mamma McGill's an avid listener of the podcast, so maybe

1006
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 4: she can get it to Tyler's head.

1007
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: Tyler like, it's okay to suck for a game or two, Like,

1008
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: just no, I'm serious, you have to and if it's

1009
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 3: really understand that look at Bailey Ober and that he

1010
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: is ninety ninety one and having success. Yes, I know,

1011
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: amazing change up. But I used to call them Bailey

1012
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 3: Ober Rizzy because of the way you used to paint

1013
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 3: the top of the zone like Jake Odorizzy does. Look

1014
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: at Cody Bradford doing this, It is made for you

1015
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: to succeed with it. He actually has a flat attacking

1016
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: like but it's what I see is someone just aiming

1017
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: for the glove in the middle. And you have to

1018
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 3: just have a mindset and grow with it and let

1019
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 3: yourself grow to get there and fail because you can't

1020
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: develop that failure. So just go one, start seventy four

1021
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 3: seamers and just hitting above the zone. Just do that. There,

1022
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 3: I got it.

1023
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 4: There it is Tyler McGill. You know the play at Nick,

1024
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 4: you're the man. Thank you so much for coming on.

1025
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 4: Tell everybody what you're up to and where they can

1026
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 4: find you.

1027
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: Oh man, my pleasure. Guys. Well, here's the thing, uh,

1028
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: this season on playback, we're going to be watching live

1029
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: baseball and that means it's Twitch for live sports. So

1030
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: you got to playback dot tv slash pictuls. You might

1031
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: see these guys. Join me for a streamer two and

1032
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: watch the met's games, watch all basebs. If a baseball

1033
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: game is on, stop watching it alone on MLB dot tv,

1034
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: just watching them playback with an amazing community who is

1035
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 3: all about being passionate about the game. Positive, no sports

1036
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 3: betting or anything, just about like focus on the game

1037
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 3: and celebrating it. So all day, opening day next week,

1038
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 3: come to playback dot tv slash pitchro lists and it's

1039
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: going to be the best. So can we to see

1040
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: you guys there.

1041
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 4: Love to hear it. Nick, thanks so much and we

1042
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: will catch you guys all on the next episode of

1043
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 4: the Messed Up Podcast. Peace out.

1044
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: Thanks Gig.