1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load from 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: Michael Very Show is on the air. 3 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: At first, they thought this was a joke that thread 4 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: coming from President Trump. They had good relations with President 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 2: Trump in his first term. They then were mystified. Then 6 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 2: they got angry and defiant. Then you started seeing, as 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 2: we've seen here in just the last days that we've 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: been here all this week, flags being arrayed all across 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: on the sweets in Panama. It's not a big cauday here. 10 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: It's in defiance of the US and of Marco Rubio's 11 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: incoming visits. 12 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: Well, I've told you that we're going to tell the 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: stories of the January sixth political person and we've begun 14 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: doing that, and there will be a lot of stories 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: to be told, but this one in particular. We've talked 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: to people who didn't serve time at all, but it 17 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: still they feel wrecked their lives because they lost their jobs. 18 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 3: They cost them a lot of money and legal fees 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 3: and everything that went with that. And that's people that 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: were on probation that were grateful that on January twentieth, 21 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: the President pulled them out of the prison that they 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: were living in at the hands. 23 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: Of the Democrats. 24 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: But this particular case, this is an individual who got 25 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: the book thrown at him. They they came for blood. 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: This is one of those stories that you will not 27 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 3: soon forget. You may know the name of Stuart Road. 28 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: He is the founder of the Oathkeepers. Now that word, 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 3: that term has been so slandered and maligned that whatever 30 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: you may think, all I ask you to do is 31 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: keep an open mind and his story and what was 32 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: done to him. You can't believe this was done on 33 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: American soil today, but it was. Stuart Roads is our guest, 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: the founder of oath Keepers. Stuart, let's start. We're going 35 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: to take the time to really explore this magazine style 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: instead of newspaper and I'll turn off my mic when 37 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: I ask you an open ended question so you'll have 38 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 3: time to answer them. Let's start with what the oath 39 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 3: Keepers is or what oath Keepers is, because the media 40 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: has portrayed y'all in one way, but explain that to 41 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 3: folks that don't know. 42 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 4: Sure, I've found oath Keepers two thousand and nine and 43 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: what it is as an association of both current serving 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 4: and retired military police, firefighters, switch and rescue ems like 45 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 4: I was a paratrooper. 46 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 5: In the Army. I'm going to sayble veteran. 47 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 4: I was also a volunteer firefighter, and the mission was 48 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 4: to encourage all those who are still current serving to 49 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 4: respect the constitution, to honor their oaths by refusing fall 50 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 4: orders that would violate the Constitution. And then the flagship 51 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 4: example we used is Hurricane Katrina, where you had police 52 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 4: officers from around the country to aid after the hurricane 53 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: who were who followed unlawful orders to confiscate weapons from 54 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 4: local citizens who were just trying to detect themselves from looters. 55 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 4: You know, the mayor of New Orleans a Democrat and 56 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 4: the police chief a Democrat, issue in order they're going 57 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 4: to take all the guns and they did. That was 58 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 4: later ruled to be unconstitutional by a court, but that 59 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 4: didn't help the people on the ground who were disarmed 60 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 4: in the face of looters. So we saw that and 61 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 4: said we need to educate our law enforcement and military 62 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 4: because National Guard was also mauled about where the lines 63 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 4: are constitutionally. So that's what that's the motivation for starting 64 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 4: the organization, to make sure that those were instill in 65 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 4: current service don't file the rights of the American people 66 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 4: and of course, because I started it during the Bold administration. 67 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 4: Immediately we were attacked and insinuations. 68 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 5: We made it. 69 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 4: We were somehow racism. It is just but to nonsense. 70 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: And my organization has always been about thirty percent law 71 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: enforcement officers, and much of my leaderships law was law enforcement. 72 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 4: Any we did a lot of launtier security starting with 73 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 4: Trump's inauguration. In fact, in twenty seventeen against antieth in 74 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: the streets, I say we were very successful. Never operation 75 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 4: because Antifa is putting close on us because they knew 76 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: we had competent man military and police. So we're not 77 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 4: in violent whatsoever. Because the media took six favored the 78 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 4: one of the most violent groups out there, is just 79 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: complete nonsense. It's all just propaganda. They don't like us 80 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: because we stopped. They're violent foot thugs and TITHA and 81 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 4: Black Lives Matter in the streets of America. Be very successful. 82 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 4: That's why they hate us, and that's why when January 83 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 4: six came, we were there to do security again. We've 84 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 4: done multiple security operations in DC. The nine prior operations 85 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 4: we've done security volunteer security for permitted events. In November 86 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 4: and December of twenty twenty and on j six himself. 87 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 4: We were doing security for two permitted events. So one 88 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 4: of was latinas were Trump in Area seven, which is 89 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 4: next to the set of office buildings, and the other 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 4: one was for Ali Alexander's event right outside the Capital 91 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 4: doors on the east side, and that was an Area eight. 92 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 4: So that's why we were there, was do security because 93 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 4: you had to do security in DC. Titha will attack 94 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 4: people and beat Trump supporters, as they've been doing for 95 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 4: the entire Trump administration. So that's our record, it's what 96 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 4: we do. That's why we were there that day. And 97 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: then when the doors on the east side opened up, 98 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 4: some of our men who were standing on the steps 99 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 4: because they were up there with their protectees who would 100 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 4: wanted up the steps, they wandered in like everybody else did, 101 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 4: after the doors were opened by somebody else, and I 102 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 4: guys entered full twenty minutes after Congress had recessed, and 103 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 4: at least twenty five minutes after others had already entered 104 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 4: the building. So they didn't breach anything, they didn't lead anything, 105 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 4: They wandered in after other people had already gone inside, 106 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: and once they were inside they actually helped police three 107 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 4: different times, including the escalating potentially deadly confrontation between officer 108 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 4: Harry Dunn, who was how they agitated on his M 109 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 4: four about really opened fire on some Trump supporters, and 110 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 4: our guys stepped in between, put their backs to Harry Dunn, 111 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 4: offser done, but their palms out until the other Trump 112 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 4: other Trump supporters and de escalated the situation and public 113 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 4: prevented that tragedy. So but after the fact, of course, 114 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,559 Speaker 4: Harry Gun gone on the stand and lied. He purged 115 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: himself on the stand, and another officer they had on 116 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 4: the stand, Alscer Lazarus, also lied. They said they were together, 117 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 4: and Lazarus said when he written us this, you know, 118 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 4: potentially violent competition. The oath keeps were threatening Harry Dunn. 119 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: It's all a lie because Lazarus was actually at that 120 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 4: time under the Senate building in the tunnels. And Steve 121 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 4: Baker from BLATV based there in Dallas, discovered that video 122 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 4: that proved Lazarus was not where he said he was. 123 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 4: So if that showed that booth officers lied on the sand, 124 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 4: that's what happened throughout our trial. You had a project 125 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 4: testimony that I believe it Saiborne by the by the prosecutors. 126 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 4: Yet you have subordination of perjury being done. That's happened 127 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 4: in other cases, but our case become red handed. So 128 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 4: that's that's kind of the backdrop. 129 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: It's almost like you've told that story before. I don't 130 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: think you set up a single m. I don't think 131 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: you've elated in any moment. I don't think you corrected 132 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: a word that you said. That's pretty solid. He's also 133 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 3: sounds like you've been in a deposition or a thousand 134 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: because you have the very steady, uh storytelling, recitation of facts. 135 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: You know you you got this thing down. Brother Stuart 136 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: lays he is the founder of Oath Keepers. Let me 137 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 3: ask you to do what I often ask people to do. 138 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: I've got about forty five seconds left in this segment. 139 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: Explain what the mission of oath Keepers is. Because you 140 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 3: gave the bigger picture. If someone is to take away 141 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: from this, what is oath Keepers? What does it do? 142 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 3: Not who's in it? But what does it do? 143 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 5: Defend the Constitution? 144 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 4: I swore an oath as a paratrooper s everybone else 145 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 4: takes to defend, support and defendic Constitution. Every law enforcement 146 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 4: officer in the country takes the same oath. So our 147 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 4: mission was to defend the Constitution Number one, what we 148 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 4: call reach teaching the spire, reach out to those of 149 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 4: taking the oath, teach them more about the Constitution they 150 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 4: swore an oath to defend and where the lines are, 151 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 4: and then inspire them to follow in fall, fall suit 152 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: and refuse on lawful orders. So that's what that's our 153 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 4: mission out out of the gate. But of course we 154 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 4: have responsibility to protect the rights of the American people, 155 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 4: in particular to write to free speech and assembly. That's 156 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 4: what we were doing. Like I said, all two the 157 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: TRUP administration, all across the country. 158 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: Do you want to know how long you took to 159 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: answer that question? Hello, forty six seconds. I asked you 160 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: to take forty five. That is precise. Stuart Rhodes of 161 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: Oath Keepers, the founder, he was in prison. The President 162 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: got him out. He was to serve a long time. 163 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: We'll discuss him out. We're going to be changing the 164 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of 165 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 3: Michael Barry, which has a beautiful way. Stewart Rhodes is 166 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: the founder of Oath Keepers, And I will ask of 167 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: you what I often ask of you, which is, do 168 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: not come to the conclusion of whether Donald Trump committed rape, 169 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 3: or a financial fraud, or any number of things that 170 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: you've been told by the media because they have their 171 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: own agenda. 172 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: I don't trust the clock shot. People died from it, 173 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: but they told you it. 174 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: Would keep you from getting The President himself told you 175 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: keep you from getting COVID, and it would keep you 176 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: from spreading it. That turned out to be a lie. 177 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: Before you form an opinion on anything or anyone based 178 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: on the drive by media, understand that they have an agenda. 179 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 3: Stuart Rhodes was in prison on January twentieth. When President 180 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: Trump was sworn in. On January twenty first, he was 181 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: released from prison where he was to serve many more years. Stuart, 182 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: Let's talk about where you were on January sixth, what 183 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: did and didn't happen, what they accused you of, and 184 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: then I'll interrupt there because then we'll go to how 185 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: they prosecuted you and threw the book at you. They 186 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: wanted you. You were a trophy for them. But tell 187 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: what happened on January sixth. 188 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 4: So on January sixth, like I said before, we were 189 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 4: there to do security for two permitted events on Capitol grounds. 190 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: I spoke at the Latinos for Trump event. I've been 191 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 4: very outspoken calling out the election of twenty twenty as 192 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: not as fraudule, but also illegal and unconstitutional. They violated 193 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,599 Speaker 4: multiple state election laws and in the swing states, and 194 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 4: that triggered a violation of Article two because Article two 195 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 4: makes it very clear that only the state legislature can 196 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 4: determine the manner for selecting electors, not some judge, not 197 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 4: some election official in the executive branch. So that was 198 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 4: that was my red line. I don't need to be 199 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 4: shown proof of the fraud. I just need to know 200 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 4: that it was illegal and constitutional. Of course, if you 201 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 4: if you violate laws that are that are meant to 202 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 4: prevent fraud or make it easy to discover fraud, it 203 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 4: becomes easier to commit fraud. 204 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 5: So that's why I think happened. 205 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 4: I stand by that to this day, and so as 206 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: President Trump, to his credit and so it's Johnny's been 207 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 4: his attorney. 208 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 5: So I think we're right. 209 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: I think history will proved out that thats the election 210 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 4: of twenty twenty one stolen. In fact, they admitted it afterwards, 211 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 4: and that Time magazine piece about how they quote unquote 212 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 4: save democracy. They admitted a coordinated effort across the country. 213 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 4: So that's the backdrop, and we were there to protest 214 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 4: that and also to protect others in their right to protest, 215 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: and that's why everyone was in Washington, d C. 216 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 5: In that day. 217 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 4: But they were permitted events all the way around the Capitol. 218 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 4: And this is something that folks need to understand. It's 219 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 4: not like every woman was at the Ellipse rally where 220 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 4: for President Trump and suddenly spontaneously the side of the 221 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 4: march on the Capitol. There were already planned events around 222 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: the Capitol. Just so there have been planned events around 223 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 4: the Capitol in November, the big rally there, you know, 224 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 4: the million Magna March, and also in December. So it's 225 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 4: a very common thing for there to be planned and 226 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 4: permitted events around the Capitol. In fact that I think 227 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 4: there were nine permits pulled on January the sixth, so 228 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 4: our biggest security team from Florida, led by Keilly Maggs, 229 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 4: was escorting all the Alexander speakers from the Ellipse rally 230 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 4: up to the Capitol to speak, and there was going 231 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 4: to be members of Congress speaking there too. 232 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 5: Charlie Greens was scheduled. 233 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 4: Josh Holly Goshert, Yeah, he was scheduled to speak there too, 234 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 4: and a bunch of others. So this is going to 235 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 4: be a plan event remembers of congres. We're going to 236 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 4: come back out after the deliberations on the on the 237 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 4: electors slates, and they were going to speak that day 238 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 4: Rogers throw them with a keynote speaker. That's why we 239 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 4: were there. They didn't happen because the crowd, you know, 240 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 4: did what they did and went up the steps and 241 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 4: like I said before, my guys went in side. 242 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 5: Unbeknownst to me, I was standing on the. 243 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 4: Outside trying to locate my security teams because I wanted 244 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 4: to keep them out of what I saw was going 245 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 4: on on the west side where there were folks that 246 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 4: were actually fighting with the police as I was trying 247 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 4: to locate them to keep them out of trouble. 248 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: How many one instated you have? Stuart Rooades is the 249 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: founder of. 250 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: Altogether, we had about one hundred oathkeepers in DC on 251 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 4: that at that time, but only about twenty of them 252 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 4: went inside because other other teams were out doing other things. 253 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 4: Personal security detail for Rogers Stone was one team the 254 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 4: teams that were guarding the latinams for Trump team, they 255 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 4: stayed where they were in the Lower Senate Park in 256 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 4: Era seven. So I guess as I was looking for 257 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 4: my teams, I didn't go and sign did not extect 258 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 4: anybody else to But they of course painted me as 259 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 4: the mastermind. But something to keep in mind is that 260 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 4: February sixteenth, or twenty twenty one, just weeks after j 261 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 4: six happened, Benny Thompson, a member of Congress who went 262 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 4: on to chair of the. 263 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,479 Speaker 5: J sixth Selectimittee. 264 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 4: He filed a lawsuit while other members of Congress suing Trump, Giuliani, 265 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 4: Oath Keepers, and Proud Boys, alleging a conspiracy. But Trump 266 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 4: is the kingpin to attack the capital and to disenfranchise 267 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: black voters. This was the other thing they threw in there, 268 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 4: that if you challenge the election in Michigan or Pennsylvania, 269 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 4: that you're you're trying to disenfranchise black voters. 270 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 5: They fell. 271 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 3: I think Bennie Thompson views everything as through the lens 272 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 3: of your somehow hurting black people, because that's how he's 273 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 3: gotten where he is, and that's the only thing he 274 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 3: knows how to say. 275 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's his that's his that's right, that's his rhetoric. 276 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 4: But by bringing this up, because that's where the narrative 277 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 4: was was set, that's how early the narrative was set 278 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 4: before they can do any investigation. That's the narrative they wanted. 279 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 4: That's their predetermined destination. And everything that they did after that, 280 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 4: the JA six Select Committee, Dog and Pony show. Our 281 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 4: prosecutions are show trials in DC were all meant to 282 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 4: make that, you know, quote unquote true because the ultimate 283 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 4: goal was simply to get President Trump, to prevent him 284 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 4: from being able to run again by just qualifying under 285 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 4: the fourteenth Amendment if they could, by putting them in 286 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 4: prison if they could. That's why they charged him along 287 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 4: with the rest of us in DC or making unelectable, 288 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 4: and in the end none of that worked, and the 289 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 4: course after that, they had to try to kill him, 290 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,239 Speaker 4: so that's what they did. So, but all our prosecutions, 291 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 4: what we're going to look at it is every J 292 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 4: six prosecution is a massive conspiracy case with Trump as 293 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 4: the designated target. They think the kingpin both Keepers and 294 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 4: Proud Boys. 295 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 5: Me and Amick A. Tarrio. 296 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 4: I'm the leader of both Keepers, leader the Proud Boys, 297 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 4: as his lieutenants and everybody else that's his foot soldiers 298 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 4: and it. But the ultimate goal is to paint this 299 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 4: picture that President Trump inspired it, you know, a so 300 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 4: called insurrection. 301 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 5: It's complete nonsense. 302 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 4: That was a protest that got somewhat out of hand, 303 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 4: but in large part, I believe because of excessive force 304 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 4: by law enforcement, sad to say, but also by provocateurs 305 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 4: in the crowd who made sure they got inside. That's 306 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 4: why they don't want to talk about who opened those doors. 307 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 4: The ones who opened the. 308 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 5: Doors, they're not prosecuted. 309 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: Of course, do you think Ray Epps was a plant 310 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 3: intended to insigne? 311 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 5: I had it. 312 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 4: Because I've been called I've been falsely accused of that 313 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 4: in the past. Because I wasn't arrested for an entire year, 314 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 4: people were saying, only must be an informant. It's like 315 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 4: now they took a year to cook up fake evidence 316 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 4: against me. But well, they smoke this fire. You know, 317 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 4: at our trial, we were not allowed to show the 318 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 4: video of Ray Apps and the night of the fifth 319 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 4: saying tomorrow we need to go into the Capitol. 320 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 5: We couldn't show that video that. We were not allowed 321 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 5: to show a video of. 322 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: Reps on January sixth, whispering in the ear of the 323 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: first of Ryan Sample, the first guy to push over 324 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 4: one of the bike racks. 325 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 5: You mentioned Re's name, So that tells. 326 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: Me why there and why this is evidence that the 327 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: jury needs to see. Hold with me for just a moment. 328 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: Stuart Rohase is our guest. So he is the founder 329 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 3: of Oathkeepers. He was arrested and sent to prison for 330 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 3: eighteen years. Had Donald Trump not been elected and sworn 331 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 3: in on January twentieth, he would not have been released 332 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: from prison January twenty. First, we'll talk about what prison 333 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: was like for him, and we'll talk about what he's 334 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 3: doing since and what he intends to do for the future. 335 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: Coming up, Stuart knows they remain scared to death of you, 336 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: and they remained scared to death of Trump. To Michael Berry, show, 337 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: You're not going anywhere even if Trump does, You're not. 338 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: Stewart Roase is our guest. He is the founder of Oathkeepers. 339 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 3: He and one hundred of his members were sent were 340 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 3: volunteering as security during the Trump rally. On January sixth, 341 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: he was arrested and sent to prison for eighteen years. 342 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: Pardoned along with about fifteen hundred people by President Trump 343 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: on the day of his inauguration January twentieth, and one 344 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: of the first executive orders, and he was released the 345 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: following day. Let's quickly, I want to get through all 346 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: of that in two segments, so quickly go through their 347 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 3: case against you, how they arrested you because they love 348 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 3: the show of that, and and how that all came down, 349 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: and then I want to get to prison. 350 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 4: Okay, well, actually I was not pardon I was commuted. 351 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 4: There's fourteen of us who received commutations rather than pardons, 352 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 4: and we're all either oathkeepers or proud boys, not so 353 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 4: much quite sure why, but we're we're of course hoping 354 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 4: and praying be pardoned as well. Like I'm a veteran. 355 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 4: I was sitting a really nasty letter by the VA 356 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 4: telling all my benefits been stripped from me I'm a 357 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 4: disabled veteran, also. 358 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 5: Telling me that I can't be buried in the veteran 359 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 5: cemetery but. 360 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 4: Might pass away. So it's pretty horrific. So there's other 361 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 4: veterans I know, Joe Biggs, another airborne veteran, is in. 362 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 5: That group too. So we're still waiting for pardons. 363 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 4: And we really hope and pray and that we have 364 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 4: faith that this will happen eventually. 365 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, So tell about how they arrested you. 366 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 4: So I was rested and I was living in Dallas 367 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 4: Little Elm and and they just you know, showed up 368 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 4: outside the doors and called me on my phone and said, 369 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 4: you know, come outside or west ward for you. And 370 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 4: I walked out and uh, along with my roommate was 371 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 4: staying with a family there, and we walked out together 372 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 4: with hands up, but then rifles on us. They had 373 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 4: make sure there are US marshals where they were, but 374 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 4: they had rifles on us, apparently. I heard later they 375 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 4: were trying to get the media there too. They love that, 376 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 4: but I guess they had a screw up with the 377 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 4: media and couldn't coordinate properly. So the media was not 378 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 4: outside like life they really wanted it to be. They 379 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 4: wanted to do the perp walk with the media filming 380 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 4: at all. 381 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: So why didn't they do the bottom walk for you 382 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 3: with you for the media. That's a big trophy for them. 383 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 5: They had a screw up with the media. I think that. 384 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 4: I guess the media was getting there too soon and 385 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: they're afraid the media would tip it off, so they 386 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 4: wanted to get it done. So you know, they could 387 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 4: have they could have called me. I'd have voluntarily gone in. 388 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: Did you have any idea? 389 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 5: I was? I think so? 390 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 4: I think, I think I even though I had not 391 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 4: done anything wrong in our attorney and said, oh, there's 392 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 4: no reason to make it ever possib arrested, I said, look, 393 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 4: I have becrossed the rubicon, my coda Fandings didn't do 394 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 4: anything wrong other than in trespass it anyway. So I 395 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 4: already knew that they were they were. I was creating 396 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 4: this false narrative, so I expected it eventually. 397 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 3: So a year after all this, you're you're arrested. And 398 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: then do they offer any plea. 399 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: Deal at all? 400 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 4: No, I would never take a plea deal. They've threatened 401 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 4: all of us with life in prison. That says all 402 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 4: the same letter and say, oh, by the way, you 403 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 4: only have a week or two to you know, to 404 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 4: respond through mine of a toilet And I would have 405 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 4: been in solitary confinement from day of my arrest. And 406 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 4: I was in a solitary confinement cell when I got 407 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 4: the letter. 408 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 5: I just touched the toilets where belonged. 409 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: So you were given other guys a bond option. Oh no, 410 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: we were. 411 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 4: I mean I try to get out and pre trial release, 412 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 4: but that was denied first by a magistrate in Texas. 413 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: Holy wow. 414 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: You know, in Harris County and then the Soros counties 415 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 3: around the country. You can commit murder and they'll they'll 416 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: give you in many cases it's a personal mcconnaissance spun. 417 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 3: But you got guys back out on the street within 418 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 3: hours of and they got blood all over them from 419 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 3: butchering their wife to death. And in many cases they 420 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 3: didn't pay anything, They didn't post any bail. They just 421 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: said they signed as if they have, you know, some 422 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 3: sort of credibility, and you get arrested and you're stuck 423 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: in you can't even prepare your case. 424 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: That's awful. Stewart. 425 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was done first by Kimberly Priest Johnson, a 426 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 4: so called conservative magistrate in Dallas. But then it was 427 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 4: also you get a shot, you know in DC, but 428 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 4: good luck there, and judgmental of course, also denied me 429 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 4: pre trial release. My priors were speeding tickets, that's it. 430 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 4: At age fifty six. No, no, prior to some speeding tickets, 431 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 4: they've been arrested, they've been charged of anything in my life, 432 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 4: but they consider me so dangerous because of the seriousness 433 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 4: of the allegations. 434 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 5: That was pretty much all they needed. 435 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 4: So so on me, the absumption of innocence is dead. 436 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 4: What's that to the presumption of innocent of the country. 437 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 4: And if you're a STRIMP supporter? 438 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 3: On May twenty three, so a full three years later 439 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: you're sentenced to prison, right right, So that's quite it. 440 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: They wait a year to bring the case and then 441 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: two years later you're seeing So you've lost three years 442 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: of your life before you ever even start serving in prison. 443 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 4: Right arver, you're in solitary all through preview. 444 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 3: And by the way, it's worth noting to folks, solitary 445 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 3: confinement is recognized in international conventions as a form of torture. 446 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: U It may not seem like it's that bad, but 447 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 3: if you've not it is. It is recognized in international 448 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 3: human rights conventions as a form of torture. 449 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: And that's what was done to you. 450 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 3: Okay, So talk about what life was like in prison 451 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: for you, because I've talked to J sixers who say 452 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 3: that these guys had it out for you, which guys 453 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 3: prison guards, that they hated the Jay sixers that they 454 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 3: made it difficult that they that I think you're Are 455 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 3: you the one that I read that you have to 456 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 3: eat gluten free and they wouldn't get and you lost 457 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 3: sixty pounds? Or was that somebody? Oh no, No, that 458 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 3: was Quaglin. What's his name, Chris Quaglan. Yeah, tell about 459 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 3: your story in prison though, well, where. 460 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 5: I was first in Texas and. 461 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 4: Oklahoma, Cimarron, and then in Virginia, most of the guards 462 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 4: are conservative. If you're in rural areas, mostly conservative. The 463 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 4: most problematic guards were in d C, the guys who 464 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 4: went first I was in. I was in Alexandria jail, 465 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 4: and those guards treatment, treatment with respect. Most of them 466 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 4: are conservative. I even had guards apologize and like, we 467 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 4: know you're you couldn't be here and the Trump supporters 468 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 4: and we're sorry you're here. So I got that a lot. Actually, 469 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 4: it depends on where you're at. If you're in an 470 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 4: inner city area where the guards can be more leftists, 471 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 4: then you might have problems. And that's what happens to 472 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 4: the guys in d C. And they were first. At first, 473 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 4: the guards were told they were racists. These are all 474 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 4: white supremacists, So I think they're mistreated because of that. 475 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 4: But I think eventually the guards caught you, caught a 476 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 4: clue and realized they're not like that. So but I 477 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 4: think the worst treatment for the guys who went to 478 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 4: the d C GULAG. 479 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 5: I wanted up there. 480 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 4: Eventually it was a solitarier there for six weeks, but 481 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 4: that was after two years after it all started. So 482 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 4: by the time I got there, the guards had you know, 483 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 4: they've been slapped down by the US Marshall Service as 484 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 4: well for for for mistreating prisoners. 485 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: So you were by then, you were in for twenty months. 486 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 3: I mean, you're a tough guy. You got a tough 487 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 3: guy background and all that. You're you're not a fearful guy. 488 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 3: You know, this is a conviction. You know it's a ministry. 489 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 3: It is you know, you're burying your cross. I got 490 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 3: all that, but I mean nobody expects to be in prison, 491 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 3: and certainly not in solitary confinement. 492 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: Were there moments where you're thinking, well. 493 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 3: They did this agone and they did this MLK, I 494 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 3: guess I'm suffering for or did you think to yourself, wow, uh, 495 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 3: this is bad. 496 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 4: Well, I mean I'm a Christian and I know that 497 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 4: God will use for good what meant me for evil. 498 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 4: Just when Jesup was stolen the slaverybody's brought this then 499 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 4: later betrayed by his master's wife on false accusations. I'm 500 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 4: throwing in prison. I understand that you know the outcome, 501 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 4: and I think it's been proven truven true. Everything that's 502 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 4: thrown in President Trump only got stronger, becomes stronger. That's 503 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 4: same from the Maga movement. That's that's the first perspective. 504 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 4: I'm a Christian. Second, I come from a military family. 505 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 4: So uh, whatever I'm going through is nothing compared to 506 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 4: what my grandfathers did. Both of them fought World War Two. 507 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 4: What a great and what of them did not? What 508 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 4: a great perspective. 509 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 3: You're thrown in for following your conviction. You're thrown in 510 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: prison as a political prisoner, as a way to try 511 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 3: to hurt Donald them, your your collateral damage to all 512 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 3: of this, and you're viewing this as it's not as 513 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 3: bad as it could be. I mean, wow, I gotta 514 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 3: respect that hold with me, if you would. Stuart Rhodes, 515 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 3: the founder of Oath Keepers as Ours. 516 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 5: And the Michael Berry Show, good not. 517 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: Stuart Rhodes is the founder of Oath Keepers. 518 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 3: He was thrown in prison, held in solitary confinement, arrested 519 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 3: and thrown in prison, couldn't be couldn't get bailed. 520 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: It's crazy. I mean it's crazy that he couldn't even 521 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: get out. 522 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: You know that, you don't keep somebody, You book them, 523 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 3: you do all that you and then you let them 524 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 3: out because they're going to come back for trial. This 525 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: guy's not a fight risk, he's no threat. So he 526 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: gets eighteen years. He gets sentenced to eighteen years. And 527 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 3: so here we were, President Trump wins and you knew 528 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 3: that if President Trump didn't win, you're serving out your term, right. 529 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 5: Well, I was prepared for that. I was. 530 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 4: I was going to appeal, but you know, yes, I 531 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 4: was ready for the long haul. I already already prepared 532 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 4: myself for that. 533 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 5: That's right. 534 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 3: So when he does win, what are you thinking, is 535 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: the chance that you'll get a commutation of your sentence, 536 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 3: that you'll be freed from prison. 537 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 4: Well, I knew one without a doubt, he would keep 538 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 4: that promise. I thought it'd be pardoned. I thought that 539 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 4: because I was one of the non violent people that 540 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 4: didn't go and sign with for sure I would get 541 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 4: a pardon, and I was actually advocating, writing articles for 542 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 4: Kay Pundent, advocating, and he pardoned all the guys, even 543 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 4: the ones who were cused of violence, because they didn't 544 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 4: get fair trials. So it's a bit of a surprise 545 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 4: that they got They got pardons. I did, and that's okay. 546 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 4: I can deal with that. So I'm puming a soldier 547 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 4: on and putting in my application for a pardon, and 548 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 4: I think eventually I. 549 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 5: Will be pardon too. 550 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: So tell me what that process. Were you advised? 551 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's happening, or did you did you find out 552 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 3: on January twentieth, Hey, you've been commuted. 553 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: You'll be out today or tomorrow. And then you were 554 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: out tomorrow. 555 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 4: We're watching the inauguration proceedings on the news, but we 556 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 4: got locked down because someone got stabbed in another part 557 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 4: of the facility. So we're still listening on the radio. 558 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 4: And I listened to him in the Oval office issue 559 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 4: the partons and proclamation or the partners and commutations, and 560 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 4: then I'm knocking on my door about eleven o'clock today, 561 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 4: packer stuff. I knew I was out of there. I 562 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 4: had faith was going to happen. I really did. I 563 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 4: never never doubted it. I just was surprised it was 564 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 4: a commutation. But I'm still glad to be out. It's 565 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 4: just a wonderful relief to be on the side of 566 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 4: the razor wire. 567 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 5: Of course, every day is everybody's a good day now, 568 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 5: you know. 569 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, paint me the picture of your reaction when they 570 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: came around and said pack your stuff. 571 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 5: It was fantastic, It really was. 572 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 4: My white gritty couldn't wipe off my face. It was 573 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 4: a fantastic And all the guys are chere in me. 574 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 4: This is something that everyone should know. Ninety percent of 575 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 4: the man in that prisoner approach up, black, white, Hispanic. 576 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 5: All of them. 577 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: Well, I hear that guard him. 578 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 4: Oh, the inmates listen to these shows, So lit'sen inmates 579 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 4: listening to Wendy Bell up there. 580 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: You know they love Emil. 581 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: I get less and less actual snail mail and mostly 582 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: emails because I give out my mail address. But my 583 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 3: assistant brings in the mail every day after the morning show, 584 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 3: and she comes in with this. She'll come in with 585 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 3: letters and you can tell it's a prison inmate letter 586 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 3: because you know it's got the unit on the outside. 587 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 3: It's got all the stamps and all that sort of stuff. 588 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 3: And so it's fascinating because people in prison, as you 589 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 3: know you've been there, they're more thoughtful in their writing 590 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 3: because they have a lot of time. They also use 591 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: every square inch of the paper. They'll write their letter 592 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 3: and then they run out of paper, so they'll start 593 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 3: writing along the side and they'll draw arrows. I enjoy 594 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 3: getting writers from prison. I find it to be fascinating. 595 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 3: It feels like a link with a different world. All right, 596 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 3: I've got five minutes. Stuart Roads, founder of oath Keepers, 597 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: I want to talk about the future. Let's look at 598 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 3: the future of Stuart Roads and what you want to 599 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 3: do from here. 600 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 4: Reach back into prison, pull more men out. We still 601 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 4: have Jeremy Brown, an Oathkeeper special Forces veteran, is still 602 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 4: being held. He was pardoned by President Trump, but the 603 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 4: day you know that, the powers that be are not 604 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 4: recognizing as a felony case out of Florida, where they 605 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 4: planted two grenades on him as retribution he refused to 606 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 4: turn into a snitch against US and expose to DHS 607 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 4: agency tried to recruit him. He played the audio, put 608 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 4: it up online, and so as retribution for that, they 609 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 4: did the same thing at marl Lago. They turned off 610 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 4: his cameras, his security cameras, and they first came into 611 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 4: his house and lo and behold the discover you know, 612 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 4: quote unquote two grenades with none of his DNA, none 613 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 4: of his fibers, none of his fingerprints on him. So 614 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 4: those planet evidence. And now he's been pardoned by by 615 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 4: President Trump. But they're only recognizing the pardon for his, 616 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 4: you know, misdemeanor trespass charge in d C. They're not 617 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 4: recognizing that the search that was done pursuing to the 618 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 4: jase of investigation where they supposed the families these grenades. 619 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 4: Then that's the thing that's a separate case, and they're 620 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 4: not letting him out. So he's being released. That's first thing. 621 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 4: Job one is getting Jeremy out of prison. So but 622 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 4: there are others, there are other Jay sixers who have 623 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 4: other charges that they're like weapons charges for example, they 624 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 4: also need to be free to SE's job one. But 625 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 4: there are plenty of other people in this country that 626 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 4: have been railroaded. The Wittmer case in Michigan, you still 627 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 4: have two men that were that were wrapped up in 628 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 4: an entrapment in this nonsense case cooked up by the FBI. 629 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 4: The FBI can self created a so called conspiracy, and 630 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 4: there's two of them are still sitting and thinking Florence 631 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 4: in Colorado and maximum security and global conditions Saltry confinement 632 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 4: for years. They need to be free to So there 633 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 4: are plenty of other political prisoners in this country that 634 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 4: is still still in there. So that's my mission right now. 635 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 4: I'm now working with Condemned USA. I'm their new national spokesman. 636 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 4: My mission is get more of them out. But I'm 637 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 4: going to tell you right now there are other folks 638 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 4: I've met in prison. They're innocent men, well roaded by 639 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 4: the same kind of nonsense entrapment. Like one young man 640 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 4: eighteen years old want to be an army ranger, so 641 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 4: he's going to arrange and shooting. They sit in an 642 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 4: FBI and foreman in mister cool biker with tattoos who 643 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 4: becomes his shooting buddy, and then he entraps him, you know, 644 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 4: cool dunzis suit and traps him into buying some Auto 645 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 4: series from the air at fifteen. He never would have 646 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 4: sought to purchase on his own, but because his buddy 647 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 4: brings him out, he decides to buy him. If it's 648 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 4: a total entrapment. That kid does not belong in prison. 649 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 4: It's a waste, it's a waste of his life. So 650 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 4: there's lots of that going on in our system, and 651 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 4: he needs a sup Wow. 652 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: Is that ever true? 653 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 3: Is that ever true? You know what I want to 654 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 3: make sure we do. I know you have a gift 655 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: sen to Go. I know that the financial obviously you 656 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 3: haven't been able to work through all this. You had 657 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: incredible expenses for those who want to support you financially. 658 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: Can you tell folks how to get I don't have. 659 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 5: It in front of me, just to give something to 660 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 5: like it's your staff, but it's. 661 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: Okay on social media as well. 662 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 3: It is gives a band to Go is the website 663 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 3: and by the way, a lot of folks are using 664 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 3: that now instead of the old crowdsource funding because the 665 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: person who you give it to actually gets it instead 666 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 3: of the people keeping it. 667 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 5: And his name is. 668 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 3: Stuart Rhodes ste w A R. T. Or you can 669 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 3: email me and I'll send you. They'll have a link 670 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 3: for me and my folks will send you a link 671 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 3: from there. Stuart, looking back over all of this, I've 672 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: got about forty five seconds talk about some of the 673 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 3: people who stood up for you, big or small, whether 674 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: they brought you things to the prisoner, they wrote to you, 675 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 3: or they fought for you publicly that you want to acknowledge. 676 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 4: Well, I want to to think City Powell paid for 677 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 4: my attorneys for Texas. I really appreciate that. Her organization. 678 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 4: I believe it's the I think it's called say to 679 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 4: the Republic. I think it's called that the City Pale 680 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 4: stepped up and I really appreciate that. I mean, I 681 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 4: want to thank Preident Trump. He stuck to his guns, 682 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 4: even even though it's obvious people around him wanted him 683 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 4: to turn his back on us. He didn't do that. 684 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 4: You know, I think the daystic support community. Most of 685 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 4: them are grassroots, a lot of are women. A lot 686 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 4: of times women are more courageous than the men. There 687 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 4: were people I know, and sadly in Texas, I was 688 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 4: arrested there in Texas, and there's plenty of people there 689 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 4: that just disappeared to want to fund your friends really 690 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 4: aren't get get arrested. 691 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 5: But there are folks who all over the country that 692 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 5: wrote me. I thank them. 693 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 4: They contributed money to our commissary funds. They helped funder 694 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 4: illegal defense. It's been fantastic. When I got out a 695 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 4: lady whose husband had passed away, who has a firefighter 696 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 4: captain who donated a truck to me. So it's it's 697 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 4: been a real blessing. It's just been amazing to see 698 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 4: with the ground swell. Like I said, it's mostly grassroots. 699 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 4: It's just fantastic that the uphooring of support for us 700 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 4: has been fantastic. And every letter matters. I mean, it's 701 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 4: good to write people letters in prison because. 702 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 5: It makes a difference for him here. It does. 703 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you got to put in a very 704 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 3: bad situation for people to need to step up and 705 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 3: help you. And as men, we don't take help, but 706 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 3: when you're in a situation like that, it has to matter. 707 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 3: Stuart Rhodes, thank you for sharing your story, founder of 708 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 3: Oath Keepers, and if you email me, I'll send you 709 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 3: a link to his gifts and go I'll also post 710 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 3: that on social media if you would like to contribute 711 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 3: to help him in his next space. 712 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 4: Thank you, sir, and a lot of the other J 713 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 4: sixers out there have Gibson goes and a lot of 714 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 4: the needed far more help than I do. 715 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 5: A lot of these job's actually homeless than els, Thank you, 716 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 5: and good night.